IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-11-20

freemangordonhmm, 720p xv should work with KP00:00
Drathirfreemangordon: ver 5100:00
freemangordonyep00:00
vi_freemangordon: can you suggest a way to extract the pr1.3 firmware filesystem from the fiasco bin BEFORE optification?00:00
freemangordonvi_: flasher -x -F blah-blah00:00
vi_freemangordon: yeah, that gets me a jffs200:01
vi_that I cannot seem to mount anywhere.00:01
freemangordonvi_: you'll get root.jffs200:01
ShadowJKa-data card throws input/output error during benchmarking :)00:01
Drathirfreemangordon: kp?00:01
freemangordonvi_: they lie to you, it is not jffs2 :P00:01
freemangordonDrathir: kernel-power00:01
freemangordonthe one you use00:01
vi_freemangordon: ...wut?00:02
Drathirfreemangordon: open payer say 720p unrecognozed file00:02
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freemangordonyep, it is not jffs2, but, umm..., lemme check00:02
freemangordonvi_: ubifs ;)00:02
freemangordonDrathir: yeah, you need 720p codecs installed to be able to play 720p with mediaplayer00:03
vi_then wtf is it called rootfs.jffs2???00:03
freemangordonafaik00:03
freemangordonvi_: to make you mad00:03
vi_freemangordon: well, I am quite mad.00:03
Drathirbut amazing is that the responsive of system is quite good with that high resolution play...  thats is interesting...00:03
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freemangordonvi_: well, they have reached their goal :D:D:D00:04
Drathirfreemangordon: ok i will be looks that codec...00:04
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freemangordonDrathir: talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7769500:04
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freemangordonvi_: you need ubimount and stuff like that00:05
freemangordonDrathir: though have in mind you need to overclock the DSP, so think twice00:06
freemangordonto play 720p using DSP that is00:07
Drathirfreemangordon: thanks... when more discover more things suprised and shocking me... positive way ofc...00:07
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Drathirfreemangordon: but without oc this codec also will work?00:07
freemangordonyes00:08
Drathirthats good00:08
freemangordonbut 720p will stutter00:08
freemangordonDrathir: though even without it you should be able to see 720p using xv. HW downsampler in KP >= 47 supports that resolution00:09
vi_so how do I mount a ubifs fs then?00:09
freemangordonubimount00:09
Drathirone thing sad that core player from symbian isnt ported to maemo... this will be powerfull mashine...00:09
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freemangordonvi_: ubitools or something, not sure about the name ,00:10
freemangordonDrathir: never used symbian so NFC what core player is :)00:10
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freemangordonvi_: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubifs.html00:11
freemangordonthough get a bber and some snacks00:11
freemangordon*beer00:11
Drathirbut working 1920x800 slowly but working is amazing power of n90000:12
freemangordonvi_: but you deffinitely need nandsim. And you need Pali to tell you the parameters to pass to nandsim module00:12
vi_freemangordon: What a complete and total utter fsck ballache.00:13
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freemangordonvi_: though I might be wrong about nandsim, maybe a simple dd will do the job00:13
vi_now I have an n900 that will not flash.00:14
vi_Wtf is going wrong with my n900 stash?00:14
Drathirfreemangordon: core player is amasing thing in symbian s60v3 eg. n80 phone able to play all audio and video formats with mkv included... also network stream works great...00:15
vi_Correction, it will flash, it just boot loops.00:15
freemangordonDrathir: n80?00:15
freemangordonor n8?00:15
freemangordonvi_: read that howto, there is a guide how to make ubgs images00:16
freemangordon*ubifs00:16
Drathirvi_: why hot flash? power lost?00:17
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freemangordonDrathir: he is trying to make n900 firmware image00:17
Drathirfreemangordon: yes back to the past - N8000:17
freemangordonDrathir: hmm, i doubt it will play many formats, but... if you say so :P00:17
freemangordonDrathir: for how long do you own your n900?00:18
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Drathirfreemangordon: couple of days....00:18
freemangordonaah, ok00:19
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ShadowJKPlaying different formats isn't that hard00:19
DrathirShadowJK: on phone like n80?00:19
ShadowJKIt's once the content encoded with the codecs inside the format require more processing power than you have, that you get issues :)00:20
freemangordonShadowJK: I don't think a device like n80 have DSP00:20
ShadowJKprobably00:20
Drathiron n900 yes its easy but n80 with this time when popular flac and mkv play was somthng big...00:21
freemangordonand with its (maybe) 300 MHz arm11 or something like that...00:21
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ShadowJKWithout dedicated decoder hw, it'd just about, maybe, manage h264 baseline profile, at almost its screen resolution? :)00:23
ShadowJKoh, 220MHz00:23
freemangordon220 MHz Dual ARM 900:23
freemangordonwhat is that supposed to mean ?!?00:24
Drathir15mb ram and 206mhz00:24
r00t|home<vi_> I get as far as: dd if=./rootfs.jffs2 of=/dev/mtd0  <--- mtd devices aren't block devices normal programs can use... you need to write to mtdblock000:24
freemangordonr00t|home: not to say he was trying to mount it as jffs2 :)00:25
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ShadowJKfreemangordon, modem is the other arm00:26
freemangordonShadowJK: thanks. makes sense00:27
ShadowJKLater symbian gained realtime features and could run on same cpu as modem00:27
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Drathirfor me the s60v3 is the last worth somthing edition s60v5 not so good...00:32
vi_r00t|home: I am as dumb as that guy you were helping earlier when it comes to ubifs.00:32
Drathirtoo candy way...00:32
r00t|homeheh00:32
r00t|homei don't know ubifs ;)00:33
freemangordonvi_: the link I posted ^^^ is the way to go00:33
freemangordonvi_: though you may try to dd to /dev/mtdblock000:34
freemangordonI am almost sure it will not work, as this is supposed to be nand image, i.e. mtd char, not block device00:34
r00t|homevi_: mtd "memory technology device" is raw flash, without wear leveling... which is used by jffs2 (and ubifs i guess)... the mtdblock driver implements the wear-leveling part so you can access it as a normal block device00:35
freemangordonr00t|home: afaik it is not so somple, one needs nandsim with image as backing file00:36
freemangordon*simple00:36
r00t|homefreemangordon: i know from both my ipaq pda and motorola phones that you can use mtdblock to grab and restore images of mtd devices... and i don't see why an image file would be in another format00:36
r00t|homefreemangordon: nandsim sounds to me like it would provide an mtd device backed by a normal block devices, for testing drivers?00:37
r00t|homehttp://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/nand.html#L_nand_nandsim00:37
freemangordonr00t|home: It could be I am talking nonsense :)00:37
freemangordonr00t|home: but deffinitely I needed nandsim to read/write /dev/mtdblock1 (CAL partition) dd-ed from n900 to a file and then back from file to /dev/mtdblock100:39
freemangordonor was it mtdblock2?00:39
freemangordonmakes no difference00:39
r00t|homethis says you can write directly to /dev/mtdX: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/nand.html#L_nand_copyimg00:39
r00t|homewe shouldn't talk about stuff we don't  know jack about ;)00:40
freemangordonhehe00:40
r00t|homefreemangordon: but the tool for flashing is nandwrite, not nandsim00:40
freemangordonr00t|home: ok, but vi wants to mount it00:41
r00t|homeeither by flashing and then mounting, or with the sim, you're right then i guess00:41
vi_freemangordon: I give up for tonight, it is getting late and I still need to fix mrs vi_ n900.00:42
freemangordonafaik nandwrite will take care of bad block in nand00:42
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r00t|homeexactly00:42
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freemangordonwell, lets wait Pali to appear, he knows a bit about that00:43
r00t|homelet's hope he won't read the backlog ;)00:44
freemangordonhehe, why not?00:44
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freemangordonhe'll be aware that he explains to noobs :D00:45
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DocScrutinizer51((233416 <freemangordon> vi_: though you may try to dd to /dev/mtdblock0)) NOOOO! this doesn't work! see BM-v100:49
DocScrutinizer51~bm00:50
infobotsomebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6397500:50
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: well, I don;t think it will work, but costs nothing00:50
DocScrutinizer51to write to nand you need nandwrite00:50
DocScrutinizer51mtd doesn't handle bad blocks00:50
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: hmm, we are not talking nand here, but nandsim00:51
DocScrutinizer51ooh00:52
freemangordoni.e. mounting rootfs in a PC00:52
DocScrutinizer51:nod:00:52
freemangordonI suppose vi wants to chroot and do his nice'n'cool stuff :D00:52
DocScrutinizer51loopback mount00:52
freemangordonmtd does not support loopback ;)00:53
freemangordonthe only way is nandsim with or without cache_file00:53
freemangordonafaik00:53
DocScrutinizer51we'rnot talking mtd here?00:53
freemangordonmtd is ont top of nand00:54
freemangordonubifs is on top of mtd00:54
DocScrutinizer51we're talking ubi image00:54
freemangordonyes00:54
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DocScrutinizer51ubi supports loopmnt afaik00:54
freemangordonyou think ubi can mount a loopback?00:54
freemangordonaah. well, NFC00:55
DocScrutinizer51nandsim prolly for simulating real nand, with all quirks00:55
freemangordonhttp://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html#L_rednote00:56
DocScrutinizer51to run stuff like nandstress against it00:56
freemangordonloopback is a nogo00:56
DocScrutinizer51ok00:56
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DocScrutinizer51I just know jffs works00:56
DocScrutinizer51since we built images for freerunner that way00:57
freemangordonyeah, jffs does, but ubifs it totally diferent afaik00:57
freemangordon*is00:57
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DocScrutinizer05I wonder if it's been vi or freemangordon who "DNGAF about what a ***** (like kerio) found out on #maemo" - anyway *he* knows how to write to mtdblk01:10
DocScrutinizer05after I tought him01:10
Drathirfreemangordon: why is used that ?01:11
Drathirapt-get remove gstreamer0.10-openmax01:11
freemangordonDrathir: you don;t need it when you install updated gst-dsp01:13
Drathirsorry for that i ask but mostly i like to know what im doing?01:13
Drathirok thanks01:13
freemangordonyou know gstreamer?01:13
Drathirthat mean installed packages is replacment for that?01:13
freemangordonnot exactly. but it provides the same codecs01:14
freemangordonDrathir: take care to follow howto exactly01:14
Drathiras i know gstreamer is some kind of different codec liblaries...01:14
freemangordonDrathir: just follow the steps and you should be ok :)01:15
freemangordonread the thread for some insight (yeah, I know it is huge)01:15
freemangordonhowever, I am going to have some sleep, night01:16
Drathirfreemangordon: yes i know that... only like verbose mode... thanks again a lot...01:16
Drathirfreemangordon: colorfull dreams01:17
DocScrutinizer05nandsim "loopmount": http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubifs.html#L_ubifs_nandsim01:18
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DocScrutinizer05filename:       /lib/modules/3.1.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/drivers/mtd/nand/nandsim.ko01:20
DocScrutinizer05description:    The NAND flash simulator01:20
DocScrutinizer05author:         Artem B. Bityuckiy01:20
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DocScrutinizer05(([2012-11-19 23:03:22] <vi_> then wtf is it called rootfs.jffs2???)) for hysterical raisins, vi ;-P01:28
DocScrutinizer05iirc it actually been jffs2 on maemo4/diablo01:29
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# flasher --help01:30
DocScrutinizer05flasher v2.8.2 (Jan  8 2010)01:30
DocScrutinizer05I guess they CBA to change the file ending, prolly hardcoded to flasher01:31
DocScrutinizer05my rough estimation: 10..25% of us had that "WTF"-moment about rootfs.jffs201:32
DocScrutinizer05either forward or reverse (== concluding we might have jffs2 fs on root)01:33
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* fil just installed asterisk on his n900, and the demo call to digium sounds very clear on the wire, and only a little worse on wifi ... but I guess that'll be doing IAX rather than SIP for the remote leg01:40
filI'm now wondering if I can sort out the VoIP woes by connecting to a local asterisk instance, and have that talk to the remote freeswitch -- would be mad if that makes things better01:42
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Drathirfreemangordon: all works perfect...01:45
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Drathirnice looks when played somthing in omp go to backround with ctrl backspace to app chose screen in background could see somthing funny moving pixels... but perhaps this is connected with open media player...02:02
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DocScrutinizer05fil: * has a relatively nice debug print iirc02:04
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filDocScrutinizer05: I just need to work out the relevant incatations to get * to log into FS and let me dial in and out via there, and I can do some tests, but that can wait till tomorrow -- time for bed02:20
* fil hasn't touched * for about 6 years02:20
filactually, make that 8 or 9 -- time flys when you're having fun, eh?02:21
DocScrutinizer05actually my time flies when I'm bored02:26
DocScrutinizer05the days are endless, the years fly by02:26
DocScrutinizer05I think the subjective duration of a year is measured by the number of remarkable events in it02:27
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Devilinsidehow to use phoneme runmidlet swrvice to run any j2me??05:49
Devilinsideanyome there??05:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's been fmg05:55
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Devilinsidehow to run j2me using phoneme??07:10
Devilinsidewhentrying to use run-midlet service , the only response is - waiting for midlet to start07:12
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Devilinside can v use vkb in fremantle easy debian?07:42
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Devilinsideis there anyway to run flash in iceweasel?? easy deb??07:53
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Devilinsideokay ... iceweasel isnt crashin n is even showing the starting of video wen /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugin /libdebianflashplayer.so is replaced by our n900 adobe 10 flash.. can anyonw with hgh speed internet, confirm its working??08:10
Devilinside????08:11
Devilinsideokay the video skipped from 2 sec to 8second but its working. now trying for epiphany.08:15
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Devilinsidecan anyone provide me with stock libflashplater.so08:16
Devilinsidehelp !! need flashplayer default one.. this adobe 10 is causing problems.08:18
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Devilinsidehelp!! epiphany is the newest version but it still is saying - epiphany , command not found08:55
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freemangordon:( valgrind does not like thumb209:25
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vi_dafaq_is_this_madness.jpg13:03
vi_^my face when I see that the previous guy has the device polling the keypad for a button press in the middle of a timer interupt service routine.13:04
vi_Instead of waiting for the i2c busy flag to clear, he simply waits 40ms.13:06
trxlol13:09
jon_yvi_: he does audrino in his free time? :)13:10
vi_The real ball kicker is he was getting paid 25% more than I am now.13:11
jon_y:(13:11
jon_yI inherited Java code from a veteran that is obviously paid more than 25% than me, in the code, he did:13:12
jon_yif(obj instanceof class1).... if(obj instanceof class2) ..... if(obj instanceof class3)....13:12
jon_ya whole table of it, everywhere13:12
trxhaha13:12
jon_yalso, reimplementing your own tree structure13:13
jon_yhe needed to for check node properties13:13
vi_The GUI programmers here use some obsolete bullshit.13:13
vi_PASCAL.13:13
jon_yso adding another class can potentially cause the program to explode13:13
vi_lol13:14
jon_ystick a JVM/C# managed code to the PASCAL bootstrap code and call it a day :)13:14
ShadowJKvi_, adata random read/write has gone down dramatically after I used (read: benchmarked) the card for awhile13:15
jon_yShadowJK: how is that happening?13:15
ShadowJKI rebenched a sandisk, and it too did the same thing13:15
ShadowJKPresumably when it was fresh it was all empty, but now it's not13:15
jon_ycell fragmenation?13:15
ShadowJKAnd making it "empty" or erased again is tricky13:15
jon_ydo SD cards to wear control?13:16
ShadowJKSort of13:16
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ShadowJKhm, adata perf came back after I wrote all zeroes to it13:16
ShadowJKsandisk too :-)13:16
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jon_yI would assume it was very very lazy with GC or something13:17
vi_ShadowJK: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/your_card13:17
vi_job done13:17
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vi_ShadowJK: That is disappointing.13:17
vi_How much of a performance drop did you see after testing?13:17
vi_(as a percentage)13:17
vi_on 4k blocks that is.13:17
ShadowJKLast time someone reverse engineered an SD card, they discovered that the card is dividied into areas consisting of 1024 blocks, out of which 1000 are used and 24 spare. Whenever you write, it takes one of the 24 and uses that, and puts the old one back into the pool of 24 and erases it13:18
jon_ytry 64K blocks :)13:18
vi_ShadowJK: Do you have a link?13:18
ShadowJKabout 50% on adata and 10000 percent on sandisk :)13:18
jon_ythe most I did on an SD card was talking to it over serial13:18
vi_ShadowJK: So the sandisk utterly choked after being used once?13:19
jon_yI forgot what the protocol was called13:19
ShadowJKvi_, I'd say it reverted to its native speed after using up all empty erased blocks ( it might start out with 1024 erased ones, and can skip the erase step at first)13:19
jon_yyes, SPI comm13:20
ShadowJKWhen I first benchmarked the sandisk, I thought the results made no fucking sense, and that my method was probably broken.13:20
ShadowJKAnyway, have to run13:20
vi_ok.  Keep us posted!13:20
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kerioShadowJK: that was what i suspected :(13:27
kerioit's sad that a uSD that boasts high IOPS fails so hard :(13:27
jon_yfalse advertising 101?13:29
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ShadowJKWell, adata's degraded perf is still 10 better than that of the sandisk c413:45
ShadowJKthe adata also timed out and vanished during benchmarking once..13:45
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vi_wow13:49
vi_adata is shittifyingly bad then?13:50
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vi_who uses a UWord16 to store a bool?14:11
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vi_WHY?14:11
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jon_yvi_: obviously they though it be more aligned to the machine word :)14:11
jon_ybecause memory is so cheap these days they say14:12
vi_One of the issues this device is facing is a lack of variable data storage.14:13
jon_ythese guys should really use the linker script14:14
jon_yits like a game of jigsaw puzzles or tetris when you try to fit the pieces together :)14:15
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vi____Yo16:42
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vi____~man iwconfig16:45
infobotNo manual entry for iwconfig16:45
vi____~man ls16:46
infobotNo manual entry for ls16:46
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vi____~man man16:46
infobotNo manual entry for man16:46
vi____~2d616:46
infobotYou roll a 616:46
vi____yeah!16:46
vi____~2d616:46
infobotYou roll a 916:46
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vi____~!316:47
vi____~2d7+416:47
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vi____~(2d7)+416:47
vi____~4+(2d7)16:47
vi____How to roll my +4 uSD card?16:48
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tadzikaw, 2d6 giving one number?16:52
tadzik~3d2016:52
* tadzik grumbles16:53
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vi____~2d716:54
vi____~2d616:54
infobotYou roll a 616:54
vi____~2d716:54
vi____~2d516:54
vi____~2d616:55
infobotYou roll a 816:55
vi____~2d616:55
vi____~2d616:55
infobotYou roll a 916:55
vi____Infobot can only deal with 6 sided di.16:55
vi____what a noob.16:55
vi____infobot: YOU ARE NOOB.16:55
infobotvi____: what are you talking about?16:55
jon_y~3d2016:56
jon_yinfobot hates d2016:56
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DocScrutinizer05dang, it's no command, it's a 'nifty' (or silly, stupid) factoid17:26
DocScrutinizer05~literal 2d617:27
infobot"2d6" is "<reply>You roll a (2|3|3|4|4|4|5|5|5|5|6|6|6|6|6|7|7|7|7|7|7|8|8|8|8|8|9|9|9|9|10|10|10|11|11|12)"17:27
tadziknoooo17:27
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo 2d617:27
infobot2d6 -- created by ckknight_ <i=ckknight@rrcs-67-53-204-251.west.biz.rr.com> at Mon Jul 24 01:59:47 2006 (2311 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by vi____, 32m 25s ago.17:27
Pali:D:D17:27
tadzikwhywouldyoudothat17:27
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys 2d17:28
infobotFactoid search of '2d' by key (19 of 27): 2d6 ;; atrap aa2d ;; e2defrag ;; r2d2 ;; up2date ;; toolbox _secs2date ;; r2d2 #DEL# ;; what is shag2dpe ;; pg2d ;; atrap a82d ;; shag2dpe's email ;; a52dec ;; line between 2d and 3d acceleration ;; libsdl1.2debian ;; weathercode k2dp ;; atrap a92d ;; wmto2deb ;; a52dec no ;; 2d.17:28
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hariainmare you guys playing D&D on IRC?17:29
DocScrutinizer05I'm trying to convince them not to do ;-P17:29
DocScrutinizer05also:17:29
DocScrutinizer05~query17:29
infobottalk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :)17:29
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vi____It is a well written factoid.17:35
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DocScrutinizer05~literal diceroll17:36
infobot"diceroll" is "<reply> $rand6"17:36
vi____~diceroll17:36
infobot517:36
vi____$rand99999999917:36
vi____$rand617:37
vi____~$rand99999999917:37
vi____$rand9917:37
vi____~$rand99999999917:37
vi____~$rand917:37
vi____~$rand617:38
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DocScrutinizer05~say #maemo $rand200.317:38
infobot$rand200.317:38
DocScrutinizer05damn you infobot17:38
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo rnadtest is <reply> $rand200.317:39
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0517:39
vi____infobot: I mock your value system.17:39
infobotYou mock your value system.?17:39
DocScrutinizer05~rnadtest17:39
infobot48.44817:39
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vi____~rnadtest17:40
DocScrutinizer05~forget rnadtest17:40
infobot98.04417:40
infoboti didn't have anything called 'rnadtest' to forget, DocScrutinizer0517:40
DocScrutinizer05~forget #maemo rnadtest17:40
infoboti forgot #maemo rnadtest, DocScrutinizer0517:40
vi____~;droptables17:41
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vi____~seen less than 10 penises17:42
infoboti haven't seen 'less than 10 penises', vi____17:42
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DocScrutinizer05vi____: beware of annoying infobot so much that she's going to ignore you17:45
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freemangordonthats insane :(. seems like libosso-abook caches avatars19:05
freemangordon*all avatars19:06
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RzRhttps://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23HarmattanDev&src=hash20:45
RzRplease RT20:45
RzRto your nokia contacts20:45
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DocScrutinizer05wow, 265 users, 5 lines of posts in 3h23:19
DocScrutinizer05266 :-)23:19
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RzRlol https://twitter.com/search?q=%23HarmattanDev&src=hash23:25
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vi_...and in other news the test connectors on the n900 PCB are NOT uf.l.23:45
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amospallaque sii23:47
amospallaque nooo23:47
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amospallawrong channel ...23:47
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vi_Pali: ping23:56
Palipong pi_23:56
Pali*vi23:56
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Pali*vi_ :D23:57
vi_heh23:57
vi_how do I mount an ubifs image?23:57
Paliwhere?23:58
Palidevice or pc?23:58
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vi_I have extracted the rootfs image from the pr1.3 rootfs bin/23:59
vi_I have extracted the rootfs image from the pr1.3 rootfs bin.23:59
vi_I want to mount it so I can extract the contents.23:59
vi_On my PC that is.23:59
vi_I am running debian squeeze with a 3.X kernel.23:59

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