IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-11-19

teotwakithis being said, make sure you use the right codecs00:00
DocScrutinizer05:-D00:00
vi___teotwaki: !!!00:00
DocScrutinizer05even better: make sure you don't use the wrong codecs ;-)00:01
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teotwakiWhen your client sends an INVITE, it tells the receiving end that there's a priority list in terms of codecs, PCMU, PCMA, speex, etc.00:01
teotwakinot all codecs are created equal00:02
DocScrutinizer05iirc for an inbound INVITE the far end should offer all available codecs in SDP00:02
teotwakisure00:02
vi___~SDP00:02
infobotIRC is known to be a form of the Streaming Documentation Protocol.00:02
DocScrutinizer05hey, it's the " doc's late" day00:02
DocScrutinizer05session Description Protocol afaik00:03
teotwakiDoes the n900 support RTCP?00:03
DocScrutinizer05afaik not00:03
teotwakihmm00:03
DocScrutinizer05not sure though00:04
teotwakiFWIW, I've been experimenting with an in-house protocol for high-bandwidth low-latency networks.00:04
teotwakiWhere basically, instead of sending a beat every x seconds (usually, every 20ms) which has the same size every time00:04
teotwakiI calculate the network's MTU, and use that to plug in as much data as possible00:05
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, interesting approach00:05
teotwakiIt works pretty nicely, network load went down roughly 20%, while retaining the same number of calls00:05
DocScrutinizer05I gather it slightly increases latency though00:06
teotwakiprobably00:06
teotwakibut it only works for intra-server calls, anything that talks to an audiocode has to use public protocols00:06
DocScrutinizer05sure00:07
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teotwakiBTW, has anyone used Boost's bzip2 implementation?00:08
teotwakior rather, their istream filter?00:08
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DocScrutinizer05libBoost? WAAAAAAH!00:13
merlin1991hm?00:13
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: do not criticise boost00:14
DocScrutinizer05twinkle used regex from libBoost, so eventually I tried to compile that monster00:14
DocScrutinizer05compiling Qt or openoffice is a walk in the park compared to libBoost00:14
teotwakiBoost is piss easy00:15
teotwakifirst of all, half of it doesn't need to be comiled00:15
DocScrutinizer05it's piss fsckg HUGE00:15
teotwakithe other half just requires jam. cd boost; ./bjam00:15
teotwakialso, DocScrutinizer05, the world has helped us get package managers, you know, things like aptitude and yum00:16
teotwakiUse them.00:16
DocScrutinizer05back when I had a laptop with a 300MHz P-II and a HDD that for sure wouldn't suffice for Boost even if completely empty00:16
tadzikor recent gcc, for that matter00:17
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DocScrutinizer05well, I just thought it's a bit of overkill for a silly regex, and I definitely never managed to compile it back when00:18
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DocScrutinizer05prebuilt .so didn't help - wrong version00:19
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teotwakisorry, lapto overheated00:22
DocScrutinizer05hehe, like did mine when I tried to get libBoost built00:23
DocScrutinizer05;-P00:23
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: Boost is probably one of the greatest things in the C++ world.00:23
DocScrutinizer05s/greatest/hugest/00:23
teotwakimost of it is template-only, which means there is no dependency when distributing it. It's peer reviewed, which means the quality and optimisation level is just crazy.00:24
DocScrutinizer05yeah sure00:24
DocScrutinizer05it just gave me one week of swearing00:25
DocScrutinizer05not being able to build twinkle, due to a silly regex from a 5000GB lib00:25
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DocScrutinizer05-devel:~50MB, -doc-html:~120MB00:32
DocScrutinizer05not much by today's metrics, a friggin lot back when00:32
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filI see what you mean about wireshark & SIP -- been a while since I played with wireshark (it was probably called ethereal at the time ;-) ) -- I don't think it had all this cleverness then00:50
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filit's not very pleased with the RTP n900-->Freeswitch.  seems that there are several jumps in the packet sequences -- whereas Freeswitch-->n900 it seems pretty cheerful about00:54
DocScrutinizer05that suggests that CPU on N900 is overloaded00:56
DocScrutinizer05though N.B. that wireshark doesn't guarantee lossless capture00:57
DocScrutinizer05ideally you'd capture the traffic somewhere later in the nework stack, e.g on a PC working as AP00:58
DocScrutinizer05or (maybe even more simple) at the far end on inbound traffic00:59
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DocScrutinizer05you *might* try and renice -5 wireshark01:01
DocScrutinizer05resp use tshark or pcap to capture, and not hog CPU with full wireshark UI in realtime01:02
filI'm using tshark, and looking at it with wireshark on my PC01:02
vi___DocScrutinizer05: ++01:02
vi___fil: 1 step ahead!01:02
filyeah, didn't seem wise to clog everything up with X-over-ssh01:03
filso was dumping to a file on /tmp, then scp-ing it over afterwards01:04
filI'll try a few more tests (with tshark un-niced) to see if that makes any odds01:06
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DocScrutinizer05if it changes stuff to either the better or the worse, we're on something. If no effect at all, we probably can rule out CPU load as a culprit01:08
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DocScrutinizer05well, I just start to wonder if jumps in packet sequence might also be a result of clogging outbound WiFi, so eventually the RTP stream process detects there's a backlog on packets to send, at skips some packets to keep up with time pace01:11
teotwakierhm, no way.01:12
DocScrutinizer05well, already good enough :-)01:12
DocScrutinizer05thanks01:12
teotwakiPCMU is 96Kbit/s tops, 64Kbit/s avg01:13
DocScrutinizer05:nod:01:13
DocScrutinizer05how's this related though?01:13
teotwakiif that clogs your wifi, well, there's your VoIP quality problem.01:13
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DocScrutinizer05depending on WiFi situation, there might be low bandwidth, or collisions, or packet retransmissions, or whatever01:14
teotwakiand if his wifi really can't handle 96kbit/s01:14
teotwakithen why is he even trying voip calls?01:14
teotwaki:P01:14
DocScrutinizer05I don't think the RTP send process should or would fill up a send buffer with an unlimited number of packages pending to make their way thru WiFi01:15
teotwakiwell, one packet every 20ms01:16
teotwakios 500 packets per second01:16
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, but what if channel is occupied by some other burst transmission between AP and random client for 1.5s01:16
DocScrutinizer05RTP sender should drop packets in this case01:17
DocScrutinizer05since packet sequence # is entagled to timebase afaik01:17
filright, with nice -5 we seem to get all packets, and there was one missing packet inbound, none outbound, but the playback quality is dire (this listening to the IVR menus, since it's past midnight here, and sleeping wife & child next door precludes making phones ring and muttering to myself )01:20
DocScrutinizer05so your audio quality issues are inbound or outbound?01:26
FIQwhat's up with microB occasionally acting as if I run a desktop WM?01:26
FIQ@ its' dialogs01:26
FIQi mean, sure, some stuff in extras/etc looks like it does on the desktop, but a preinstalled browser?01:27
filgenerally people tell me that they can hear me OK -- the problem is on the inbound channel, which after (guessing) 30s (somethimes longer) starts breaking up, with the appearance of the sound being somewhat shuffled -- then after getting completely incomprehensible (and I'm getting quite good at understanding the garbled stuff) it goes dead for a while, and then iether gives up completely, or recovers for a bit01:30
filas for wifi bandwidth, I can ssh from phone to laptop at > 500MB/s, and that's with both devices on the wifi (so colliding), and probably limited by the speed of the flash the file's coming off of01:33
fils/ssh/scp/01:34
infobotfil meant: as for wifi bandwidth, I can scp from phone to laptop at > 500MB/s, and that's with both devices on the wifi (so colliding), and probably limited by the speed of the flash the file's coming off of01:34
DocScrutinizer05the weird thing: I've seen exactly same behaviour with twinkle and 300MHz PC attached to internet via a WEP AP01:35
DocScrutinizer05initially fine, after 15..30s gets worse, even blocks, but then usually recovered01:36
DocScrutinizer05and stayed fine01:36
DocScrutinizer05inbound sound01:37
DocScrutinizer05so I tend to blame WiFi usually, when SIP audio fails in quality01:38
DocScrutinizer05if it doesn't work at all, it's usually firewall/NAT01:38
DocScrutinizer05you might test with USB networking to access internet01:38
filyup, I can try that -- and I'll hard-wire the laptop while I'm at it01:39
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DocScrutinizer05also make sure your router/NAT has no ApplicationLevelGateway-SIP enabled01:41
DocScrutinizer05they are known to be utter crap most of them01:41
DocScrutinizer05Vigor for example didn't work at all with ALG-SIP enabled01:42
DocScrutinizer05generally speaking, a NAT can introduce quite some jitter weirdness, depending on grunt of embedded MCU used in that NAT device01:43
DocScrutinizer05if there's even a firewall enabled on same NAT, possibly with packet inspection, you might face problems regarding performance01:45
* RST38h moos evilly01:45
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: you must do nightshift01:45
DocScrutinizer05isn't it like 2 o clock in moscow?01:46
RST38hI am in the US01:47
DocScrutinizer05aaah that's why01:47
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RST38hLand of McDonaldses, etc01:47
GeneralAntillesAren't there McDonalds everywhere these days?01:49
RST38hYeah, but everywhere else has OTHER STUFF too01:50
GeneralAntillesUh01:53
GeneralAntillesOK01:53
DocScrutinizer05well, seems to me there's no other place with more 'other stuff' dealing with burgers, than USA01:53
* RST38h did not really mean burgers01:53
* RST38h never tasted a burger.Scary.01:53
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DocScrutinizer05well McDonals==burger01:54
DocScrutinizer05so 'other stuff' also == burger, no?01:54
RST38hThey also have apple pies, which are relatively safe to eat because they come there packaged.01:54
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GeneralAntillesYou've never had a burger? . . .01:55
RST38hGA: Yeah I know.01:55
GeneralAntillesThat's slightly surreal to think about.01:55
DocScrutinizer05I kinda can understand that01:55
RST38hGA: Well, to be fair I did taste all the individual components :)01:55
DocScrutinizer05though I'd have a hard time thinking of somebody I'd know, execept vegetarians01:55
Drathirlol i run qmpdclient from server throught ssh...01:57
DocScrutinizer05anyway here we got McDo and BurgerKing, and that's it basically re burgers. There's also an occasional KFC01:58
Drathirresolution looks great...01:58
DocScrutinizer05in USA you got ~20 such frenchise burger firers01:58
DocScrutinizer05fryers*01:58
GeneralAntillesNot really01:58
GeneralAntillesI mean01:58
GeneralAntillesThere are some regional ones01:58
GeneralAntillesBut for national chains it's basically Burger King and McDonalds01:59
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: royal dinner?01:59
RST38hGA: Do not forget Wendy's and KFC01:59
DocScrutinizer05hmm, so that changed since mid 80s then01:59
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DocScrutinizer05wendy's yeah01:59
Drathirkfc > mcdonalds02:00
DocScrutinizer05we even had a wendy's burger here for maybe 1 year, in the late eighties02:00
GeneralAntillesAh, yeah, Wendy's.02:00
GeneralAntillesForgot about them02:00
GeneralAntillesKFC isn't burger.02:00
GeneralAntillesI haven't had fast food in a while.02:01
RST38hKFC does burgers all right02:01
DocScrutinizer05OMG I'm trying to get such a friggin burger since 48+ hours now02:01
* RST38h had to google though, never been to KFC02:01
GeneralAntillesUh02:01
GeneralAntillesNo they don't.02:01
GeneralAntillesThey do fried chicken02:01
GeneralAntillesand there's a barbecue sandwich thing02:01
DocScrutinizer05I'll probably end like that korean guy02:01
Drathirtwister rulez...02:01
GeneralAntillesNo burgers.02:01
Drathirnot cheap but tasty....02:01
RST38hAh! Chicken burger!02:02
RST38hJust looks similarly02:02
GeneralAntillesI remember when I could eat Chick-fil-A.02:02
GeneralAntillesThose were the days.02:02
* DocScrutinizer05 glares at that frozen 300g steak02:03
* DocScrutinizer05 notices some icecrean next to it02:04
RST38hDoc: Grind, mix with paper, add glutamate and artificial coloring, etc02:04
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Drathirxclock also works throught ssh...02:05
RST38hwhy shouldn't it?02:05
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: i never eat thats big high steak which only see3in films...02:06
* DocScrutinizer05 eats icecream, hopes for enough energy from it to head out and have a walk to next BurgerKing02:07
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DrathirRST38h: i dont think thal nice lokks with ssh -X ...02:07
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: bet things with someone take 1l of icecreams switch on the tv and watching good film...02:09
Drathirbest*02:09
DocScrutinizer05only if you're not hungry02:10
SpeedEvilI cook burgers from frozen all the time.02:11
SpeedEvilworks well, and gives time for the onions to brown02:11
DocScrutinizer05burgers yes, 300g argentinian steak hardly02:13
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DocScrutinizer05bought this for BBQ, couldn't think of any sane way to prepare it indoors, with the tools available here02:14
GeneralAntillesFrozen burgers work really well.02:15
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GeneralAntillesI was advised that frozen fish fillets wrapped in aluminum foil cook to perfection in a George Foreman grill.02:15
GeneralAntillesI need to investigate this.02:15
DocScrutinizer05I should investigate preparing steak in the microwave02:16
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DocScrutinizer05could use my lighter to "BBQ" it when done with cooking02:16
GeneralAntillesHehe02:17
GeneralAntillesI'm going to build a sous vide one of these days.02:17
DrathirGeneralAntilles: fresh fish put into allu foil with onion and other spices on grill with not much fire...02:18
GeneralAntillesGrill doesn't fit on my countertop and fresh fish doesn't last for months in the freezer. :P02:19
Drathirfresh - best fishing and catched by you...02:19
Drathirthat make was really aromatic and soft...02:20
GeneralAntillesYeah, don't have time to catch fresh fish.02:21
Drathirbut always the best is potato from fire place...02:21
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer05: chop it up, which is easy part frozen, and stir fry02:21
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Drathira lot of fan making them... and also little dirty works looks on hands but worth that...02:22
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RST38hDoc: Better construct a way to create plasma in themicrowave and prepare steak in plasma!02:22
DrathirSpeedEvil: is big difference betwen fresh prepared by you and from shop, sad but true...02:23
SpeedEvilyeah. mines better.02:23
Drathirim little hungry now...02:26
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filok, so how does one persuade the n900 that it's on the network (which it is) enough so that the dialer believes it and lets one dial via SIP02:41
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filah, sussed the dummy stuff02:49
filhow depressing -- seems much better over USB, which makes it look like the whole problem is wifi. Meanwhile, wifi is th only way that the VoIP would be properly useful :-/02:54
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DocScrutinizer05RST38h: good plan02:55
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: found a can of fish in tomato though, I guess it will taste even without bread02:55
RST38hDoc: Do check that it is not cat food02:57
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internetishardvi__: I heard you were doing something similar to my question earlier (which was) "Anyone in the community offering pre-customized images of maemo? Could be a good way to get back to a certain clean configuration."03:03
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DocScrutinizer05RST38h: ooh, you think there's a difference?04:34
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DrathirRST38h: you see how sometimes cat food can nice looks?05:07
RST38hDoc: Honestly, I do not know05:11
RST38hSome of the cat stuff does smell suspiciously delicious05:12
Drathiryes confirm...05:20
Drathirsometimes pets dont want eat thats specific food...05:21
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freemangordonPali: congrats, bq.. and rx51_battery are haeding for 3.8 :)09:31
Palihi09:32
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Palinow I'm back from Kraków and reading mails...09:32
freemangordonhttp://git.infradead.org/battery-2.6.git09:32
PaliI see :-) (I got mails)09:33
freemangordon:)09:33
freemangordonPali: BTW who maintains that page? http://elinux.org/N90009:33
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PaliSome edits are my and some by Sre09:34
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Pali(Sebastian Reichel)09:34
freemangordonaah, ok. As I was wondering how is that possibel the page is updated even before the commits on the battery tree :D09:34
freemangordonBTW there IS SGX driver for 3.609:35
freemangordonwell, fremantle one forward-ported09:36
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Paliboth bq2415x and rx51_battery needs board data09:38
freemangordonPali: yeah09:38
PaliI will write small patches for this09:38
freemangordonPali: BTW did you follow alarmUI and tklock and EDS conversations?09:39
PaliI was not read anything after 16.1109:39
freemangordonok. In short (if you are curious):09:39
PaliI was in Krakow on CERC ACM ICPC09:40
freemangordonthere were 3 memory leaks in alarmUI. so far :)09:40
freemangordontklock leaks like mad on every swipe to unlock09:40
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Paliahh....09:42
freemangordonevery libedataserver.so client process uses a huuuge amount of heap (>2MB)09:42
freemangordonfunny, ain't :D09:42
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freemangordonfortunately the last one is open source, and I hope luf knows WTF is going on09:44
freemangordon(though he is mia right now :I )09:44
freemangordonPali: "CERC ACM ICPC" ?09:45
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freemangordonPali: BTW bqxxx battery driver is missing board data too09:47
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freemangordonhmm, scratch that09:48
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PaliCentral Europe Regional Contest ACM - competition in programming (for students)09:55
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freemangordonwow09:56
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freemangordonhehe http://git.infradead.org/battery-2.6.git/commit/6c47a3e00c6e4f3cdac7566c1480de34d9e32e0709:58
freemangordonseems we are lucky having upstream maintainer owning n900 :D09:58
freemangordonPali: please, submit my thumb2 patches :P09:59
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Palifreemangordon, try to send thumb2 patches yourself - you are author :-)10:09
freemangordonPali: I know I am the author, I just can't put myself together to do that. And as you are riding the upstreaming wave...10:10
freemangordonPali: it is not laziness, see ^^^ . Too much other useful stuff I can do10:11
freemangordon^^^ is for the memory leaks and such10:11
freemangordonI'll waste too much time to figure out the correct channels, mails, procedure, tools, etc10:12
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freemangordonand you have all this already set up10:13
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kerioPali: will you be able to add stuff to the bq* drivers and have them merged upstream?10:29
keriohaving single-file flags would be neat :310:29
freemangordonkerio: what?10:29
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freemangordonbq drivers are in queue for 3.810:29
keriofreemangordon: /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/flags/VDQ for instance10:29
freemangordonread the backscroll10:29
keriofreemangordon: i am reading the backscroll10:30
keriothat's why i said *add*10:30
freemangordonok10:30
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vi_yo.12:13
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MrPinguVi_: Howdy!12:17
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vi_MrPingu: Hey man.12:23
vi_MrPingu: What do you know about making ovi maps work?12:23
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vi_let me tell you the puzzle.12:24
vi_I have 1 n900 that I am using to create the ultimate reflash image.12:24
vi_That is ALL the shite stripped out and some very basic essentials loaded in.12:25
MrPinguSeeems nice ;)12:25
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MrPinguI don't know anything about ovi maps, sorry12:25
vi_I have almost finished.12:25
vi_So I have attempted to clone the stripped n900 to another n900.12:26
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MrPinguBut? Ovi maps doesn't work?12:26
vi_And to all purposes it looks like it has worked.  One device is the absolute clone of the other.12:26
vi_ovi maps does work on the device, however when I connect to nokia suite it says the clone device does not have maps installed!12:27
vi_I just do not get it.12:27
vi_How can that happen?12:27
MrPinguFor one thing I know, ovi maps is NOT optified sits totally in rootfs so12:27
vi_One device is IDENTICAL to the other.12:27
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MrPinguTried reinstall the maps package?12:28
vi_Not yet.12:28
vi_I am not sure which packages I need to purge&binge.12:28
MrPinguLet me see :P12:28
vi_MrPingu: how Do you make conversations rotate?12:29
vi_MrPingu: I found your account on symbianfreak.12:29
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vi_I know I knew your name from somewhere!12:29
vi_The legendary pingu.12:30
MrPinguAdding it to the whitelist in transitions ini, ditch the whole blacklist concept12:30
MrPinguvi_: should I know you too? Or were you a silent freak? :P12:31
vi_I came too late.12:31
vi_The whole forum was winding down before I got started.12:31
vi_Also I did not like the some of the culture of the place.12:31
MrPinguAll moved to dailymobile12:32
MrPinguIt's a bit personal there ;)12:32
MrPinguMost of the people I have on FB too12:32
MrPinguanyway12:32
vi_The only thing I contributed was modifying a user agent-switcher program that someone wrote to be 'iphone' instead n97.12:32
MrPinguwhitelist = rtcom-messaging-ui12:32
MrPinguvoila, conversations rotate. Need to have a modified css file though12:33
vi_MrPingu: Do I have to modify my conversation theme?12:33
vi_There we go!12:33
MrPinguvi_: yes12:33
MrPinguLet me find the default theme + fixed portrait12:34
MrPinguvi_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=99511912:35
MrPinguuse the display-outside, it looks like default + portrait12:36
vi_but I like the small compact themes.12:36
vi_No avatar.12:36
vi_small text.12:36
vi_no wasted space.12:37
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MrPinguhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Conversation_Mods12:37
MrPinguHope there's a good mod for you that has portrait support12:38
MrPinguvi_: what do you know bout left over files after purging testserver?12:38
vi_MrPingu: There is some files left in event.d12:39
vi_1 file.12:39
vi_and 1 in /etc/init.d12:39
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vi_You are building the crap cleaner script.12:40
vi_You are doing god's work son.12:40
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MrPinguvi_: but's fucking dangerous I mean the N900 is my only device :P So I am looking forward to your updated rootfs :P12:41
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vi_MrPingu: heh.12:47
vi_MrPingu: It is not so easy.12:47
MrPingu:(12:47
vi_fiasco-gen layout file for emmc is completely undocumented so I am unable to generate an emmc image.12:48
vi_Which is a complete ballbreaker.12:48
vi_However there is hope.12:48
vi_There is ~40m-50b free in the root partition.12:48
vi_All I have to do is hijack the 'first boot&optify' script that gets run at first boot after a reflash.12:49
vi_That way I can sneak in a bunch of stuff to the rootfs and have it copied to the mmc at boot time.12:49
MrPinguRegarding that optify-runonce, can it be purged after first boot?12:50
vi_MrPingu: I guess so.12:50
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vi_However if I were you I would be a little more cautious.12:51
vi_You do not want to hose your n900!12:51
MrPinguI don't purge anything, I am only adding it to my scrap-paper for investigation12:52
vi_where is optify-runonce kept again?12:52
MrPingu/usr/sbin/12:53
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MrPinguI guess it can't be purged, at the first glance it seems looking at the files it auto-optify not only after first boot12:56
vi_I do not seem to have an optify-runonce in /sbin.12:57
vi_W12:57
vi_T12:57
vi_F12:57
MrPinguits a bunch of scripts: /usr/sbin/maemo-optify-*12:58
vi_MrPingu: and I do not have them.12:58
vi_mmm12:58
vi_I must start from a fresh flash!12:59
MrPinguDidn't you purge it already?13:00
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vi_I am looking on my 'normal' n900.13:00
vi_It desperatley needs a reflash.13:00
vi_I cannot remember what I have hacked/bodged in the last year.13:00
vi_That is the stimulus for creating a replacement flashable root image.13:01
vi_The question is, what crap can I add to this replacement fiasco image?13:02
vi_obviously strip out most of the stuff as mentioned in your script.13:02
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MrPinguGood xbindkeys, proper keymap13:02
vi_but would it be desirable to add flash10 and 720p HD codecs for example?13:02
MrPinguFor me, defenitely13:03
vi_Busybox power?13:03
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MrPingubb-power, flash10, 720p, shipped with kp50 or even newer13:03
vi_that is easy enough, what else?13:03
MrPinguLet me think13:03
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vi_A script to wipe the emmc.13:04
ShadowJKthe uber-usd arrived13:04
MrPinguYou're russian roulette script, one of the six boots fail?13:04
vi_So it is like flashing emmc but without adding 200MB of videos+mp3 junk.13:04
* ShadowJK wont have time to properly benchmark before work :(13:04
vi_ShadowJK: How big?13:04
ShadowJK16gig13:04
vi_...do not say ~5mm13:05
vi_16GB?13:05
vi_THat is not so big by todays standards!13:05
ShadowJKbut uber because it promised 150 write iops (compared to 2-4 of other cards)13:05
vi_ShadowJK: Super fast write speeds?13:05
ShadowJKsuper fast random read/write13:06
vi_ShadowJK: Who advertises such features on their cards?13:06
vi_ShadowJK: LINK PLOX.13:06
ShadowJKwell, 45M sequential read and 40M sequential write too, but I don't give a shit about sequential13:06
vi_ShadowJK: HOLY SHIT.13:06
MrPingushortcutd? Getting too personal?13:06
vi_MrPingu: yes, I think so.13:07
MrPinguOh vi_ remember your xbindkeys depends on some lib13:07
ShadowJKhttp://www.adata-group.com/index.php?action=product_feature&cid=7&piid=17813:07
vi_MrPingu: Although I cannot live without it, I would not force it on another person.13:07
ShadowJKhttp://www.adata-group.com/upload/ProductFeature/productImage3281.jpg13:07
MrPinguI have got a real nice keymap, derived from you13:08
ShadowJKive yet to test whether uhs-i cards work with sdhc deviced at all tho lol13:08
vi_random write speeds are significantly improved by 99%13:08
MrPingubut "more" default13:08
vi_^holy shit.13:08
vi_So random write speed increased by 100% will make it ~8kB/S write?13:09
vi_MrPingu: How do you mean?13:09
ShadowJKif it holds what it promises, random write should come in at about 400-600 kbyte/s13:10
vi_ShadowJK: wow, you even get a free 60-day trial of norton internet security!13:10
vi_ShadowJK: That is insane.13:10
vi_finally usd card makers are getting their shit together.13:11
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vi_ShadowJK: so uh...how much monies and do they come in 32GB?13:12
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MrPinguVi_: € still there, ? still on fn + .13:13
MrPinguplus added `´ on fourth level F + G13:13
vi_Are those danish characters?13:14
MrPinguno, french + dutch13:14
vi_ShadowJK: I am EXTREMELY interested in your results.13:14
vi_ShadowJK: when will you have done your testing?13:14
ShadowJKYeah they come in 32G, about 80E for that, iirc13:15
MrPinguvi_: and fourth level . = ¨13:15
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MrPinguused in german13:15
ShadowJKvi_, I started random write test now, so first glimpse in 5 minutes13:15
* ShadowJK goes change clothes before work in the meanwhile13:15
MrPinguAll the characters are mentioned are dead13:16
ShadowJK51 ops/sec, 4K random write13:16
MrPingus/are/I13:16
ShadowJK(12-25X improvement over fastest cards I've benched so far)13:16
vi_ShadowJK: forget work, you have more important issues to settle!13:16
vi_from an oinline review:13:16
vi_ Not as advertised. Not fast. Just a normal class 4 product. after many many many benchmarks the highest write speed was 4.3MBs the slowest 3.77MBs. Sucks.13:17
vi_MrPingu: My irc client does not display utf8 characters properly so I cannot see what you are typing.13:17
vi_Aah.  That is too specific.13:18
vi_English only!13:18
vi_But there again, the RX-51 file DOES contain a DE specific layout.13:18
vi_Perhaps it should be modified.13:19
MrPinguvi_: true, but the english keyboard = dutch keyboard13:19
MrPinguand these sign are used in dutch too, not often but they are13:20
ShadowJK16k: 24 (.38M/s), 32k: 24 (.78M/s), 64k: 11 (.75M/s), 128k: 6(.81M/s)13:20
kolpMrPingu: š is not used in German :)13:20
freemangordon__ShadowJK: I'll wait for sandisk to answer ;)13:21
MrPingukolp: but ¨ + letter so ë ü ö13:21
freemangordon__adata is crap13:21
vi_ShadowJK: But can an n900 make use of the uhs-i features?13:21
freemangordon__vi_: what features exactly? proprietary fs?13:22
vi_freemangordon__: The 'magic' what makes it go fast.13:22
vi_I dunno.13:22
freemangordon__vi_:  the "magic" is in the card itself AFAIK13:23
vi_The litrature suggests it has some kind of 'backwards' compatability.13:23
vi_That implies you need special moder hardware to make it work fully.13:23
freemangordon__and i really doubt a card can saturate host controller io on n900 anytime soon13:23
ShadowJKiirc UHS-I specifies new bus mode13:24
vi_I know nothing about uhs-i cards.  I only just doscovered them about 20 minutes ago.13:24
freemangordon__ShadowJK: sure. But anyway we don;t really care about sequental access13:24
ShadowJKyes13:24
ShadowJK"UHS-I cards, specified in SD Version 3.01, support a clock frequency of 100 MHz (a quadrupling of the original "Default Speed"), which in four-bit transfer mode could transfer 50 MB/s."13:25
vi_Isn't there something about the n900 usd slot running at only half speed?13:26
freemangordon__hmm, I think host controller on n900 is clocked at 80Mhz13:26
vi_Because nokia were to pussy to crank it to the max?13:26
freemangordon__but might be wrong, need to check in the sources13:26
vi_Or am I thinking of something else?13:26
freemangordon__vi_: iirc this was on n8x0 iirc13:26
vi_freemangordon__: oh well.13:27
ShadowJKYou're thinking of N800/N810 maybe, the TI controller isn't specced to run at max13:27
* ShadowJK was actually thinking about putting this card in his N80013:27
freemangordon__iirc it runs full speed on n90013:27
vi_ok13:27
freemangordon__but whether it was 50MHz or 80MHz i just can't remember13:27
freemangordon__but even @50MHz, the max theoretical throughput is 20 MB/s13:28
freemangordon__which I am pretty ok with :D13:28
ShadowJKtesting sequential write now13:29
freemangordon__ShadowJK: do you test it in n900?13:30
ShadowJKthe card itself advertises a preferred erase size of 4 Megs13:30
ShadowJKNo I'm testing it in sheevaplug13:30
freemangordon__aah,ok13:30
freemangordon__it will be ineresting to check how it will behave in n90013:30
vi_freemangordon__: did you ever finish your defragging ramzswap?13:30
* ShadowJK wonders if the binary compiled on sheevaplug would work on N90013:30
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freemangordon__ShadowJK: connected via USB should be ok afaik13:31
freemangordon__vi_: I am fighting memory leaks, no matter how good your swap algo is, it will became ineffective at some point if your system leaks memory like a botomless basket13:32
ShadowJKat 64k block size sequential write, I'm already getting 11.7 Mbyte/s13:32
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ShadowJKfreemangordon, not if you have 2G swap :)))13:32
freemangordon__hehe13:32
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freemangordon__and 4G of RAM :P13:32
ShadowJKI'm actually at 256M swap used on my N800 now13:33
ShadowJKa little bit sluggish, since it doesn't have nokia swap algo13:33
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ShadowJKwhich is why I think I'll put card in that13:33
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ShadowJKah, have to run13:33
ShadowJKwill log into sheevaplug from work later nad check sequential write speeds13:34
freemangordon__vi_: Most probably I will finish that someday. But have in mind my queue - mem leaks, kernel in cssu, 720p stuff, etc.13:34
freemangordon__vi_: or better said - I will winish it, but it will take time13:35
freemangordon__*finish13:35
vi_freemangordon__: you will *finnish* it.13:35
vi_Like nokia.13:35
vi_is finnish.13:35
vi_aaah.13:35
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freemangordon__hehe13:36
vi_If I rolled a 'community' firmware that contained 720p codecs and flash10, whould I be allowed to talk about it on tmo or would that count as advertising warez?13:36
MrPinguback, had to run to get my train xD13:36
vi_chem|st: If I rolled a 'community' firmware that contained 720p codecs and flash10, whould I be allowed to talk about it on tmo or would that count as advertising warez?13:37
SpeedEvilvi_: I suspect nobody on earth would care13:37
freemangordon__vi_: I don;t see a reason why not talk about it13:37
SpeedEvilvi_: I mean other than those wanting to install13:37
vi_So linkinking to distributing nokia binarys is not considered bad?13:37
MrPinguRefer to qgil, statement13:37
MrPinguWe were allowd to distribute anything if it would aid the communiy, right?13:38
vi_MrPingu: like sygic mobile maps?13:38
SpeedEvilflash isn't part of that, I suspect13:38
SpeedEvilvi_: angry birds!13:38
MrPinguvi_: sygic is not nokia, so that would be applicable to qgil statement13:39
MrPinguwould NOT13:39
qwazix__I suppose qgil statement applies to binaries (nokia/non nokia) already freely distributed by nokia13:40
vi_MrPingu: cssu-s+flash 10+720p codecs+some vm tweaks (done the right way, not swappolube)+power kernel+fapman+rootsh-all preinstalled crap.13:40
qwazix__And I'm not sure it continues to apply if nokia stops distributing them13:40
MrPinguvi_: fapman you sure?13:41
vi_yeah, too personal.13:41
vi_also +script to wipe mmc just like emmc flash.13:42
MrPinguvi_: That script must explicitly be called by user13:43
tadzikwhat's bad about swappolube?13:43
vi_MrPingu: Then you would have /opt full of junk!13:43
MrPinguI don't want to my EMMC be wiped when I flash combined ;&13:43
vi_MrPingu: It can leave myDocs13:43
Hurriantadzik: the defaults iirc are outdated13:44
MrPinguVi_: that seems good13:44
MrPinguVi_: Add Docs root on password with some default passwd, that can be altered later13:45
MrPingug2g,13:45
vi_bb13:45
SpeedEvilVM tweaks for contiguous swap writing would be awesome.13:46
vi_SpeedEvil: I mean simple stuff like dirty backround, etc & nr_requests.13:47
chem|stvi_: you are not allowed to distribute nokia binaries afaik so "yes that is warez"13:47
vi_chem|st: Thankyou for the clarification.13:47
freemangordon__SpeedEvil: nokia algo works pretty well, I suspect memory leaks are the reason for such a bad swap fragmentation13:47
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freemangordon__chem|st: those are not Nokia's :P13:48
freemangordon__vi_: preinstalling fapman does not sound like a good idea to me13:50
vi_freemangordon__: Yeah.13:50
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vi_freemangordon__: Ah, it is just an idea.13:51
MrPinguLuck, next train had wifi too :)13:51
vi_MrPingu: heh.13:51
freemangordon__MrPingu: you have wifi in trains?13:51
vi_freemangordon__: Not being able to put it on TMO would somewhat undermine the point of it as well.13:51
MrPingufreemangordon__: Yes, most of them13:52
ShadowJKgetting about 12M/s write seq13:52
freemangordon__vi_: well, I don;t think you can host it on TMO, if not for legal, then for size reasons13:52
vi_freemangordon__: Not host, talk.13:52
freemangordon__aah13:52
vi_But if the link is to something that is deemed questionable then it is a no go.13:53
freemangordon__ShadowJK: toldya, adata si crap13:53
freemangordon__*is13:53
vi_I do not want to taste the wrath of chem|st mighty ban hammer!13:53
freemangordon__:D:D:D13:53
ShadowJKfastest card I've ever tested :)13:53
ShadowJKhad another a-data card oncea. it died in a month13:53
ShadowJKso yeah I know adata13:54
SpeedEvilShadowJK: I have a really old 1g kingsaton in mine that gets the same sequentiaomwrite13:55
SpeedEvilwell, 11.5m IIRC13:55
freemangordon__ShadowJK: 12MB/s is just slightly over 10MB/s a cheap class 10 adata does. I own one of those, so I know what I am talking about.13:55
freemangordon__8 G class 1013:55
vi_class 10 is a massive bullshit.13:55
vi_It is just more bigger numbers==better.13:55
freemangordon__but it gives i/o timeout errors avary now and then13:55
freemangordon__*every13:56
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freemangordon__I wonder what is the random io of sandisk uhs 64G cards, I am thinking to buy one if it makes sense13:57
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amospallaanybody has a debian chroot, and chromium gives segmentation fault when started?14:30
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DocScrutinizer05vi_: talking about that stuff would not cause a ban, I'm sure14:49
DocScrutinizer05vi_: it's N900 related so the larger definition doesn't fit. Yet you shouldn't even ask ;-)14:50
DocScrutinizer05vi_: applying common sense is always a good rule14:52
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DocScrutinizer05common sense says there's nothing terribly fishy in talking about a fiasco.bin14:52
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Palimaybe I should release some beta version of new 0xFFFF :-)14:54
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DocScrutinizer05vi_: so you found some more info about fiasco-gen?14:59
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, I think I understand full fiasco format, I also updated fiasco documentation15:00
DocScrutinizer05Pali: that's fine, but we don't know how to operate fiasco-gen15:00
Pali0xFFFF has implemeted both unpacking & generating15:01
DocScrutinizer05OOOH15:01
Paliso 0xFFFF can be used instead fiasco-gen15:01
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: that's extremely nice news15:02
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: ^^^ how about MWKN? worth a note I think15:04
PaliI will release some beta version of new 0xFFFF15:04
DocScrutinizer05Pali: could you paste a good link to a tmo thread or whatever, which GeneralAntilles could use for MWKN?15:05
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Paliok, when I drop tarball of new beta version, I will create new tmo thread15:06
DocScrutinizer05:-)15:06
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, is wiki and extras-devel working?15:30
Palior still not?15:31
DocScrutinizer05just tested wiki, borked as usual, no edit15:31
DocScrutinizer05no idea about e-dev15:31
Paliany other news?15:31
vi_Pali: 0xFFFF can be used as a replacement for fiasco-gen?15:31
DocScrutinizer05nope15:31
Palivi_, yes15:32
vi_Pali: No bullshit with layout files?15:32
DocScrutinizer05vi_: that's what he said :-)15:32
vi_where??15:32
vi_Do I get it from nopcode?15:32
Palivi_, you need to create layou file still15:32
vi_Pali: But no one knows how to make the layout files.15:32
Paliold version on nopcode support some fiasco format15:32
vi_~pali15:32
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/15:32
Palinew version will have full fiasco support15:33
tadzikhrm. Any idea what's /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive? It currently eats almost 23 megs on my rootfs15:33
Palivi_ last time when I looked at that layout file it was plain text file15:33
DocScrutinizer05tadzik: a mega abomination15:33
Palisomewhere on tmo MAG wrote info about layout15:33
vi_tadzik: It contains your locales.15:33
Palitry to find it15:33
DocScrutinizer05it's the *closed source* file of all Nokia translations/locales15:33
vi_tadzik: You can move it to /opt and symlink it back with no trouble.15:34
vi_Pali: I found it.15:34
DocScrutinizer05really?15:34
vi_It is not correct.15:34
vi_The layout example on TMO is as it appears in the .bin header.15:34
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tadziknot that I lack space, I just released ncdu on / and it takes 10% of it :)15:35
vi_It is not what is required to generate a flashable image.15:35
DocScrutinizer05I think moving  /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive to /opt will render some binaries used during early boot extremely unhappy, no?15:35
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vi_DocScrutinizer05: Like what?15:35
DocScrutinizer05nfc15:35
vi_MMC is mounted well before any locale stuff is done.15:36
DocScrutinizer05the friggin player for shake-hands15:36
vi_The shake hands player occours after x has started.15:36
vi_^X1115:36
vi_locales 'n shit is before that.15:36
vi_Pali: I EAGERLY await your release of 0xFFFF15:37
DocScrutinizer05then why does PA break when you optify the codecs? due to that bootvideo shit15:37
vi_DocScrutinizer05: dunno.15:37
vi_tadzik: You must try this, for science.15:37
tadzikwhen my rootfs is 95% filled rather than 59%, I'll do that and see what happens :)15:38
DocScrutinizer05vi_: please verify your claim that nothing needs  /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive during early boot, before /home mounted15:39
vi_DocScrutinizer05: I will.  This evening.15:39
DocScrutinizer05thanks15:39
vi_I will symlink it on my stunt n900.15:39
vi_...right after pali releases 0xFFFF 0.6b15:40
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders why Nokia hasn't optified /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive if it's really not needed during early boot15:41
DocScrutinizer05friggin abomination, a 21MB file with locales you wouldn't even know how to spell them, and no way to shrink it to the locales you really need15:42
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tadzikwell, nokia didn't optify much at all, did they15:43
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MrPinguWhy didn't they optify maps either15:45
DocScrutinizer05uh?15:45
DocScrutinizer05maps?15:45
MrPinguMost of nokia maps is in rootfs15:46
tadzikyeah, or microb stuff15:46
DocScrutinizer05please give FQN of any maps related file that could use optification15:46
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MrPingu/usr/share/nokia-maps15:47
tadzikncdu -x / is insightful :)15:47
DocScrutinizer05MrPingu: right, that's terribly odd I'd say15:49
MrPingutadzik: yes that run ncdu -x /usr/share/ , be prepared to find nokia maps listed as third15:50
tadzikyeah, something of this sort15:50
MrPinguWhole 7.3 MB wasted rootfs space15:51
tadzik. o O ( does anyone still use this? )15:51
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BRB_COFFEENokia maps is not that bad.15:53
BRB_COFFEEat least they still update the maps.15:53
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MrPingubut but, nothing bad happends when symlinked to opt15:55
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tadzikthis few times I tried to use them ("tell me how to go from here to this bar") it worked quite fine, but the overall UX was *horrible*15:55
tadzik"wtf do I click now" every few seconds15:55
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DocScrutinizer05so let's start a hardcore optification effort? strace -ff -e trace=file (pre)init -o /optify-trace.log; and see which files are actually used until /home gets mounted16:03
DocScrutinizer05s/-ff/-f/.16:04
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MrPingunever had such a boring lecture16:15
MrPinguNormally I am not at IRC when I am ay university but this is extreme ;o16:16
tadzikwhat lecture is that?16:16
MrPinguEconomics and infrastructures16:16
tadzikI remeber a Compilers lecture few weeks ago, monday, 8 AM. We watched Star Trek with a friend and he still got asleep.16:17
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tadzikI'm fascinated by the topic, frankly, but the lecturer is a genius in making people asleep16:17
MrPinguNext lecture will be javascript, that's getting my attention, my first programming language :P16:18
MrPinguYes lecturers are good at that, even if the topic is interesting they still can make boring16:19
vi_MrPingu: Dont let those JS heretics get to you first.16:19
tadzikwell, is there a single language that does not suck as a first language? ;)16:19
vi_C16:19
tadzikI thought that to be C, but there are still people who say it's bad16:19
vi_C is the only language16:20
vi_C is the mother lanuage16:20
vi_C...bad??16:20
ShadowJKI've only seen sandisk UHS in huge sizes like 64g :(16:20
tadzikwell, not that I agree ;)16:20
ShadowJKthe a-data was smaller so not too much money to spend on benchmarking/testing16:20
vi_ShadowJK: so sandisk do offer an alternative.16:20
tadzikI sometimes think that if someone can't understand C, they should probably stay out of programming anyway16:20
MrPinguvi_: I can't help if I do, JS is forced on me16:20
tadzikvi_: think MIT and their Scheme16:21
ShadowJKWell we don't know if sandisk uhs has any better random write than their other cards :)16:21
vi_MrPingu: May you pass through the shadow of the valley of JS and fear no inhetitance.16:21
vi_^fuck y spelling.16:21
tadzikalthough their choice doesn't neceserilly mean "C is bad for teaching"16:22
MrPinguDon't worry, I probably only get 1 period of programming. It's not the main aim of my study ;)16:22
vi_BRB, got to work for a living.16:23
DocScrutinizer05MrPingu: the more sense it would make to use a real programming language instead of JS16:26
DocScrutinizer05unless your studies are for "Media designer" or whatver else there might be that creates "web programmers"16:27
MrPinguDocScrutinizer05: It's only used to crunch to some serials of numbers, and do some calculations16:28
DocScrutinizer05calculations in JS, sure ;-P16:28
tadzikyeah, that's what fortran's for, right? ;)16:28
MrPinguWell, don't ask me, I am not the teacher :P16:29
DocScrutinizer05honestly, if I were do pick a language for teaching a semester of programming course, I'd probably use a proper assembler (IBM, whatever) for that16:30
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DocScrutinizer05macro assembler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_assembler#Macros16:42
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MrPinguBack, stupid eduroam went down :P16:43
devilinsidehelp!! i have esy debian on partition of 6gb but stl its sayin no space in /var/cache16:44
devilinsidehelp plzz.16:44
MrPinguYeah would have liked that too, maybe I will learn qt as hobby, only maybe16:44
MrPingudevilinside: mkdir /var/cache16:45
MrPinguIIRC, that folder is not present on some images16:45
devilinsidebut my easy deb is already on 6gb partition, copied by dd command ... it has enough free space16:46
MrPinguAre you sure that folder is created?16:47
devilinsideits there.. i have already installed many apps but now its saying not wnough space in /var/cache16:47
vi_devilinside: WHAT is saying it?16:47
devilinsidecommended packages:commended packages:commended packages:commended packages:16:49
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devilinsideetrying to install jdk in easy deb16:49
MrPinguI'm out, next lecture is started16:50
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devilinsideits saying - need to get 39.2 mb of archives. not enuf space in /var/cache/*16:50
DocScrutinizer05who is saying that?16:51
devilinsideeasy-deb-chroot16:52
DocScrutinizer05sorry, can't reproduce, no such command on my device16:52
DocScrutinizer05I guess you're executing a command that wants to download and install stuff *outside* of chroot16:53
devilinsideno thats not a command. i tried installing app in easy-deb. its xterm is saying it16:53
devilinsidenope..16:53
DocScrutinizer05df -h /var/cache/16:54
devilinsideits working fine expect for this space problem. i had shifted the image to partition by dd command..16:54
devilinsideits saying 3.0gb used out 0f 3.0gb . 32 mb free..16:55
devilinsidebut its on a partition of 6gb, copied from image of 3gb!16:56
DocScrutinizer05echo test >/var/cache/delete-me16:56
DocScrutinizer05scratch that16:56
DocScrutinizer05you messed it up by dd16:56
DocScrutinizer05dd is NOT meant to get used for that16:57
DocScrutinizer05you created an image, including size and all, of original16:57
devilinsidethen?? what is the procedure?? it was given in tutorial to shift the img to partition.16:58
r00t|homedevilinside: resize2fs (if it's ext2)16:58
devilinsidei didn create any image .. i used debian-wheezy-sulu.img.ext2 and used this command dd if=pathtoimg of=/dev/mmcblk1p216:59
r00t|homedevilinside: the filesystem does not know/care it was moved to a larger device, unless you tell it to16:59
DocScrutinizer05*sigh*16:59
devilinsideyes its ext217:00
r00t|homeresize2fs /dev/mmcblk1p217:00
DocScrutinizer05did he say he moved it to mmcblk1p2??17:00
r00t|home<devilinside> i didn create any image .. i used debian-wheezy-sulu.img.ext2 and used this command dd if=pathtoimg of=/dev/mmcblk1p217:01
DocScrutinizer05aah he did17:01
vi_DocScrutinizer05: and his device still works?17:01
DocScrutinizer05yeah, amazing17:01
devilinsideyess!17:01
vi_~dd17:01
infobot[dd] `dd': Convert and copy a file `dd' copies a file (from standard input to standard output, by default) with a changeable I/O block size, while optionally performing conversions on it. 'info dd' for more info17:01
vi_~dd is GNU Disk Destroyer17:02
infobot...but dd is already something else...17:02
DocScrutinizer05vi_: don't dare!17:02
vi_DocScrutinizer05: I would'nt.  I can see it is allready defined.17:02
vi_~tm017:02
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans17:02
devilinsidebtw wat to do wid resize2fs or something likethat... and where to use it?? easy debian or xterm??17:04
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DocScrutinizer05r00t|home: ^^^ ;-P17:05
DocScrutinizer05r00t|home: resize2fs is a nifty advice, but not exactly self explanatory17:06
r00t|homewhy not?17:06
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r00t|homethe default action is to enlarge the filesystem to fill the device17:07
DocScrutinizer05tbh I wonder which genius created that tutorial and pkg, I'd probably prefer to extraxt a tarball17:07
r00t|homesome idiot who does not understand that chroot can be used on any directory, not just mountpoints17:07
DocScrutinizer05:nod:17:08
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DocScrutinizer05devilinside: so, according to r00t|home fine advice, you should type `resize2fs /dev/mmcblk1p2` in your hist environment's root shell17:09
DocScrutinizer05host*17:09
DocScrutinizer05you maybe need to umount /dev/mmcblk1p2 prior to that17:10
DocScrutinizer05or rather, 'stop' the chroot17:10
DocScrutinizer05by whatever means the easy-debian provides for that - - or simply reboot17:11
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devilinsidedidn work! its still 3gb.17:14
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DocScrutinizer05devilinside: you got a spare location with >3GB free storage?17:19
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: resise2fs works on both not mounted and mounted17:19
DocScrutinizer05r00t|home: thanks, wasn't sure17:19
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: actually keeping it mounted has the advantage that it doesn't demand it being fscked first17:20
DocScrutinizer05mhm17:20
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: in the mounted case, the resize is performed by the kernel driver, else by the userspace program17:20
DocScrutinizer05r00t|home: could you talk devilinside thru that lil inconvenience?17:20
r00t|home<devilinside> didn work! its still 3gb.17:21
r00t|homewhat did you do, what was the output?17:21
DocScrutinizer05r00t|home: I'm not sure our kernel on fremantle provides that function, so - according to your explanation - it might work better when umount'ed17:22
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: the kernel would have to be damn old not to support it17:23
devilinsiderun e2fsck first17:23
DocScrutinizer05it *is* damn old ;-)17:23
r00t|homedevilinside: WELL, READ...17:23
DocScrutinizer05maybe not THAT old17:23
devilinsidewhich gave a segmentation fault17:23
r00t|homewell, your filesystem is totally broken, congrats, use your backups17:24
vi_r00t|home: lol17:24
r00t|homealso, file a bugreport17:24
DocScrutinizer05devilinside: you created that stuff on uSD, no?17:24
devilinsideyup17:24
r00t|homegiven that it's on the sd card, put it into a pc and run fsck there17:24
DocScrutinizer05insert uSD to your linux PC17:24
devilinsidenot near any pc now :(17:25
devilinsidewill get to you when done .. thnx a lot guys..17:25
r00t|homedevilinside: try fsck on the image file... does that also crash?17:25
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DocScrutinizer05then copy the whole chroot content to some folder on your linux-PC, mkfs-ext2 on that partition, and copy content back from PC to uSD17:26
DocScrutinizer05hmm, probably better use tar17:27
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: better use tar... or make sure you use cp -a...17:27
r00t|homeheh17:27
DocScrutinizer05or simply try what r00t|home suggested17:27
r00t|homei've seen fsck crash before... but only on badly corrupted filesystems...17:27
filBTW in subsequent tests I find that my SIP quality is almost as bad via usb net as via wifi (which I find oddly encouraging, as it means I can do packet traces on my laptop without risking changing things on the n900)17:28
DocScrutinizer05fil: indeed this finding has good as well as bad aspects17:28
filso the one clean call I got after changing to usb net was a fluke17:29
DocScrutinizer05a) it proves that WiFi isn't the culprit and b) it enables proper tracing by full wireshark, on PC17:30
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DocScrutinizer05still the basic rationale aplies: if inbound RTP stream is clean, then the problem is on N900 side. Otherwise between PC and far and17:31
DocScrutinizer05and vice versa for outbound stream17:32
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vi_#define SPI0_SCR                      *((volatile word *)0x0000F2A0)17:34
vi_#define SPI0_SCR   *((volatile word *)0x0000F2A0)17:34
vi_^what EXACTLy this means?17:34
vi_specifically the second part.17:34
vi_What are the asterisks for?17:35
jaskatries to read a word from memory addr 0xf2a017:35
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jaska(volatile word *)0x0000F2A0 = a pointer to a volatile word at 0xf2a017:36
jaska*((volatile word *)0x0000F2A0) dereference said pointer.17:36
r00t|homevi_: (volatile word *) casts the integer a memory address, and the * in front makes it a read from that address...17:36
r00t|homewelcome to the departmant of redundancy department17:37
DocScrutinizer05which, whatever it means, sounds pretty odd, for fiasco17:37
vi_DocScrutinizer05: I am working on a gas sensor right now.17:38
vi_Not fiasco!17:38
DocScrutinizer05aaah17:38
DocScrutinizer05then it might make sense, for a weird way to do IO17:38
vi_DocScrutinizer05: I have been away from embedded c coding for some years.  I am still trying to get back into it.17:38
r00t|homememory mapped i/o17:38
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, it's a #define, so yes. Probably clean17:39
vi_so it is saying:17:39
vi_SPIO_SCR is the volatile_word found at 0x0000F2A0?17:40
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DocScrutinizer05SPI017:41
jaskavolatile tries to make it so that itll reread the contents of that memory location17:41
jaskainstead of stuffing it into a register17:41
vi_I know what it means more or less, I am just trying to understand why it is written in this way.17:41
r00t|homevi_: volatile forbids the compiler to optimize access, always reading and writing the actual memory when the variable is read/written...17:41
r00t|homeredundancy...17:41
jaskadepartment!17:41
vi_r00t|home: aaah, I see.17:42
r00t|homevi_: there is no other way to write it...17:42
DocScrutinizer05r00t|home: there is: inline assembler ;-)17:42
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: damn you...17:42
r00t|homevi_: there is no other way to write it IN C...17:43
vi_r00t|home: ty17:43
r00t|homevi_: jaska provided the same information, no?17:43
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vi_jaska: thank you.17:46
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vi_Is there a word for when a programmer is lazy and uses some variable as a temporary container .  A variable that is actually defined for something else?17:50
r00t|homein embedded that's not even necessarily bad style...17:51
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vi_ok.17:52
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r00t|homewell, still bad style, but might be justified as an optimization method17:54
r00t|homedeclare the variable as a union for cleaner style ;)17:55
DocScrutinizer05yep, good advice17:58
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vi_ty18:02
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r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: and i thought i was just being silly... ;)18:06
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kerioShadowJK: so... how's this adata awesome card?18:21
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keriovi_: it's a bunch of words actually18:22
kerio"programmer with a really awful compiler"18:22
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vi_fil: any further results with your SIP woes?18:33
ShadowJKkerio; well, it's not good, but first impression is best microsd I've tested.18:36
keriowhat do you mean "not good"? :(18:36
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ShadowJKnot as good as advertised18:38
kerio:( :( :(18:38
ShadowJKunfortunately i can't access results from other cards ive tested18:40
ShadowJKit's in a ooo spreadsheet at home :/18:40
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keriohmm, aren't 150 4k IOPS just 600kB/s?18:41
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jacekowskiyeah18:43
jacekowskithat's why HDDs are so slow18:43
jacekowskiShadowJK: i bought very good SD card patriot EP pro18:44
jacekowskiShadowJK: half price of sandisk and it's faster18:44
kerio>good18:44
kerio>not sandisk18:44
kerioDOES NOT COMPUTE18:44
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jacekowskihttp://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-sd-cards/CrystalDiskMark-3.0-x64,2712.html18:46
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kerioi don't get why the sequential write speed would matter18:47
jacekowskiit does matter for cameras18:47
kerio(also we need uSDs for the n900)18:48
jacekowskiit's first card that i've tried that is fast enough for my camera18:48
jacekowskii can shoot at full 6fps and buffer will not fill up18:48
vi_I have had 2 patriot uSD.18:49
vi_Both broke within 1 month.18:50
jacekowskii've had no problems with mine18:50
vi_jacekowski: well...make sure you keep backups.18:50
jacekowskiand well, those cards get some heavy sequential use18:50
keriojacekowski: we need it for the purpose of n900 swap, we need random read-writes18:50
jacekowskiwell no uSD card will live long as swap18:50
keriowhy is that?18:51
jacekowskia lot of writes18:51
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vi_and that is why women are no good at swap.18:53
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vi_Too many rights.18:53
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vi_I will show myself out/19:00
vi_:Q19:00
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Devilinside okay!! SOLVED :) thank u !! :)19:35
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keriodafuq19:48
keriojacekowski: SDs are perfect block devices in theory19:50
keriothey remap bad sectors automatically19:50
kerioand stuff19:50
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vi___DocScrutinizer05: ping20:02
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vi___DocScrutinizer05: Confirming: 21MB /usr/lib/locales CAN be moved to /opt/usr/lib/locales and symlinked back.20:06
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vi___MrPingu: Confirming: 21MB /usr/lib/locales CAN be moved to /opt/usr/lib/locales and symlinked back.20:07
MrPinguvi___: Awesome :)20:09
vi___MrPingu: in fact it is a simple case of adding the path to the 'auto optification' paths list to be done on first boot for it to be rolled into a new firmware.20:10
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MrPinguvi__: Maps(usr/share/nokia-maps/) can be added to that list too20:13
filvi___: no more info yet -- I've been fiddling with pulseaudio which was upset during an upgrade, in the hope that twinkle might work if I fixed unrelated sound issues -- seems not :-/20:15
filshould have time for another play shortly20:15
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Devilinsidei had moved many things to /opt. !ike gcc , perl , python, many more except for microb-engine, the device seemed to work fine20:17
Devilinsidemoving microb-engine causes problems!20:17
vi___fil: good.  I am interested in your results.20:18
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fildo you happen to know what one needs to do to make i.e. Speex 16k work with freeswitch -- setting that as my only codec results in calls no longer working, and I'm not sure which end is upset20:20
fil(there was a forum post that claimed that 16k helped them - I guess that the problem is a bit random, and changing packet sizes is enough to make a difference, but it might have been more than that)20:21
MrPinguDevilinside: python is already optified, no?20:21
Devilinsidethere was something re!ated to python in /usr/share.. i kicked that out too20:22
Devilinsideyeah it is optified20:22
Devilinsidesorry in /usr/lib/pymodules20:24
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freemangordonthe fuck, ltrace traces nothing on the device :(20:27
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Drathirhow abut jar support? any alternative to microemulator?20:32
keriovi___: i never had any luck getting the autooptifier to work20:34
keriovi___: i'm also getting "initctl: MOUNTS_OK event failed" in its log20:35
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ShadowJKheh, I've written to a Sandisk Cruzer 16GB over 20G daily for about two years now. Endurance seems like a non issue..20:38
* ShadowJK wishes some major benchmark site benchmarked generally available cards, with useful tests, or atleast tests described what they do20:42
ShadowJKalthough, this looks vaguely useful: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-sd-cards/IOMeter-2008.08.18,2708.html20:43
kerioShadowJK: will a uSD grow slower after you've wrote random data over it once?20:44
ShadowJKthey're black boxes, you dont know20:45
ShadowJKhttp://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-micro-sdhc-charts/Random-Write-4-KB-QD-1-MB-s,2750.html20:48
ShadowJKooh20:48
kerioholy shit the first one is powerful20:49
vi___holy shit, 1.4MB/s@4k blocks!20:51
jacekowskivi___: my ssd can do that20:51
freemangordonvi___: which one?!?20:51
keriofreemangordon: a sandisk :D20:52
vi___freemangordon: sandisk uhs-i card20:52
keriosandisk extreme pro UHS-I 16GB20:52
kerioSDSDQXP-016G20:52
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freemangordonhmm, lets see if there is at least 32G20:53
freemangordonunfortunately there isn't20:53
vi___they only come in 8,1620:54
kerio16 is enough, to be honest20:55
vi___It is good to see the regular sandisk 8gb class 4 up there with the best, shitting on those class 10 monsters.20:55
kerioi doubt my sandisk 32gb is good enough to do that :c20:55
keriohow would i test it20:55
kerio?20:55
vi___Goddamit, wtf cant nokia suite find 'maps' on this n900?20:56
vi___It is a goddamn identical CLONE of one that works.20:56
vi___WTF.20:56
MrPinguvi___: still fighting with that?20:57
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vi___MrPingu: Jesus christ it does not make any sense.20:57
keriovi___: make full BM backups, make a diff of the tarballs20:57
vi___rootfs+kernel+mydocs+/opt is a clone.20:57
vi___kerio: I just took the backup off a working device.20:58
MrPingukerio: He took another approach20:58
vi___The fucking fuck.20:58
vi___I just dont get it.20:58
keriovi___: you said nokia maps wasn't installed?20:58
kerioclearly it's not a perfect clone then20:59
vi___Nokia maps IS installed.20:59
vi___just like it is installed on the originator.20:59
MrPinguvi__: You reinstalled the package now?20:59
keriohave you tried copying CAL too?20:59
vi___It is a motherfucking clone.20:59
kerio(note: don't do that)20:59
vi___kerio: That is a one way ticket to a dead n900.20:59
vi___I have even purged maps, reinstalled them21:00
vi___all nokia suite does is look for the 'cities' folder.21:02
vi___If it cannot find it, it says you have no maps or you need to run it once.21:02
vi___The cities folder is there.21:02
vi___If I rm it and rerun maps, it is recreated freshly.21:02
kerio\_o_/21:02
kerioi don't even know how pc suite works21:03
keriowhat does it use to access files?21:03
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vi___kerio: pc_suite mode21:03
keriovi___: yeah but how, exactly?21:03
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vi___I imagine networking over usb21:04
MrPingupc-suite.... Wasn't maps only ovi-suite?21:04
MrPinguoh wait your other n90021:05
MrPinguNevermind....21:05
vi___You are not getting it.  It is a CLONE of a working n900.21:05
keriovi___: clearly it's not21:05
MrPinguI won't be saying anything anymore, seems I start to talk crap :P21:06
kolpHow to tell the n900 is in act_dead mode? Is it when the backlight is slightly lit?21:11
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keriokolp: pushing the power key gives a different LED light than when it's off21:13
kerioand turning it on doesn't give you a vibration21:13
kerioinstead, you get a reboot21:13
kolpMkay, thanks21:14
keriocan someone pastebin their /var/log/*-optify-* ?21:19
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vi___kerio http://pastebin.com/iFU64ARB21:25
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vi___mm21:35
vi___it would seem they generate different config.cfg files inside the maps folder21:35
vi___which makes no sense.21:36
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kolpAnyone know what sapwood-server is?21:38
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Devilinsideany idea about using gdebi with easy debian? need to use ubuntu facebook app but the dependency requires python2.7-ubuntu something something!21:48
vi___This makes no damn sense.21:50
vi___Every n900 I clone from this working n900 does not work.21:50
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vi___well fuck me.21:56
vi___If I manually load g_nokia, it works.21:56
vi___which leads me to ask:21:57
vi___THE FUCK.21:57
r00t|homeDevilinside: what's wrong with dpkg -i --force-depends ?21:58
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r00t|homeman, gdebi is a silly program... a dpkg frontend written in python... with it's own wikipedia page...22:03
Devilinsidenot working! i have python 2.7 in debian but its not opening!22:04
Devilinsidetrying once again!!22:05
r00t|homewell, what's the error you're getting...22:06
r00t|home(it MIGHT help to start it from a terminal)22:06
r00t|homedebian repositories won't contain packages with "ubuntu" in their name, so i don't see how any automatic dependancy resolution is supposed to help you22:06
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Devilinsidethats the problem. debian repo wont contain dubuntuin their name.22:08
r00t|homeyou can just apt-get install python-2.7 and you'll have a python 2.7...22:08
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vi___but that would be cheating!22:09
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Devilinsidedoing dpkg and then apt-get -f22:14
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vi___is it possible to chroot into a copy of the maemo 5 filesystem and run dpkg within it.22:17
vi___In the fremantle sdk for example (armel).22:17
r00t|homeDevilinside: apt-get will just remove the package again22:18
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r00t|homeDevilinside: PACKAGE DEPENDENCIES DO NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF A DISTRIBUTION22:19
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Devilinside  it worked! got some of the missing packages too..22:21
Devilinsidebut i cant find the facebook in lxde22:22
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r00t|homelol22:22
r00t|homeyou should check out microsoft's products, they have this "windows" thing, you will like it22:23
vi___now now, everyone has to start somswhere.22:23
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filI just stumbled across a forum post stating that Nokis didn't implement clock-rates other than 8k on the n900 -- is that right?  (would ceratinly explain why calls were failing to establish when I tried 16k)23:04
filNokia, even23:05
keriofil: regarding what?23:05
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filkerio: speex clock-rate=16000 vs. clock-rate=8000 -- is that what you're querying?23:07
keriooh, for... huh23:07
kerioSIP phone calls?23:08
filSIP, yes23:09
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fil(sorry, I've been wibbling on about sip since last night)23:10
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Drathirwow smplayer vo fbdev source 720p slowly but works...23:42
Drathirwithout sound23:42
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Drathirscreen quality is awesome...23:42
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Drathirittle powerfull n900... hrhr23:43
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tadzikwell, the screen is a bit too small for 720p to make sense, no?23:50
vi_can somone explain this command to me:23:50
vi_mknod /dev/mtdblock0 b 31 023:50
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freemangordonvi_: that creates a block device major 31 minor 0 in /dev23:51
freemangordonnamed mtdblock0 :P23:51
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freemangordonvi_: where did you get that from? /sbin/preinit?23:52
MentalistTraceurI was gonna say, if it looks familiar to me, with my limited experience, I'd have to guess that script as well.23:53
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Drathirtadzik: is no so bsd quality is amazing...23:54
MentalistTraceurBut a quick grep indicates that the stock /sbin/preinit does not have that command exactly, at least.23:54
Drathirbut in 720p works only fbdev and x11 strange is why xv show green screen...23:54
freemangordonDrathir: what kernel?23:55
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freemangordontadzik: the point is you don;t have to reencode ;)23:55
MentalistTraceur(I presume we're talking about N900's /sbin/preinit)Though it does something that might effectively do that, since it does a bunch of command-substitution to craft the string used in the final mknod command.23:56
vi_freemangordon: No, I found it in an online guide to mounting a jffs2 file system.23:56
vi_I get as far as: dd if=./rootfs.jffs2 of=/dev/mtd023:56
freemangordonvi_: hmm, modprobe mtdblock should do that for you23:56
vi_and I am told no space left on device.23:57
freemangordonvi_: you need nandsim23:57
freemangordoniirc23:57
vi_well the method on the maemo wiki is complete bullshit.23:57
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freemangordonvi_: you'd better ask pali, he was the one who helped me to mount the CAL partition while I was REing libcal23:58
freemangordonvi_: BTW where do you try to mount that, on your PC?23:59
Drathir1920x800 also x11 and fbdev better works than xv green show video wheen seek23:59
Drathirfreemangordon: power23:59

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