IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-11-18

DocScrutinizer05actually even way more, since in total the process ate better half of my 8GB RAM plus 75% of 8BG swap00:00
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: use sylpheed00:06
keriothe pine/mutt of gtk00:07
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: bad optimized fof small files operation...00:11
Drathiranyone use more than one jabber account?00:13
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kerioDrathir: there's probably someone00:14
Drathirsad that in contact name dont see send by account 1 account 200:17
kerioDrathir: well, very few clients handle that well, even on a proper computer00:18
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Drathireven if contact doesnt on second account list...00:18
kerioare you sure there's no way to choose, though?00:18
keriodamn shame00:18
Drathirkerio: now sec ago i see that im not sure must looks closer with this issue...00:19
Drathirmaybe somewhere is hidden option to enable that behaviour...00:20
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Drathirbut also if contact is doubled on two different servers is little harder because must be more options to chose on server 1 from this server and server 2 and also on server 2 from this server and server 100:23
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Drathirbut maybe this be easier to do with some kind of submenu or doubled contact which server from  but this will be interesting...00:29
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Drathirkerio: for pc best 4me is psi+ or psi...00:48
Drathirclean minimalistic not too shiny but enough for all...00:49
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vi___MohammadAG: ping01:00
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vi___fiasco-gen?01:55
vi___who is to blame for this utter piece of shit?01:56
vi___I have tried every combnation of EVERYTHING.01:57
vi___update failed.01:57
vi___WTF.01:57
Cor-Ai:/01:57
vi___I cannot even generate a flashable image from the original mmc image.01:58
vi___The fuck is this piece of shit.01:58
RiDi guess...01:58
vi___fucking hell.01:58
RiDit is a fiasco01:58
vi___fuck.01:58
* RiD puts on sunglasses01:58
vi___If anyone has any secret knowledge on fiasco-gen, please, by all means speak.01:58
vi___If anyone knows of ANYONE who as actually sucessfully generated a flashable image, PLEASE.  I beg of you in the name of god and all that is holy.  Share the secret incantation THAT WILL MAKE THIS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT WORK.01:59
vi___fiasco-gen -g --mmc=../emmc/mmc --mmc-partition="mydocs" --layout=layout -o test.bin02:00
RiDlol firefox os is such an android clone02:00
vi___generates a fiasco image from the original mmc.02:03
vi___when you try to flash it, it gets to 96% then says update failed.02:03
vi___EVERY.02:04
vi___FUCKING.02:04
vi___TIME.02:04
RiDyou're happy02:04
RiDsounds like me when my microusb fell out02:04
vi___RiD: I have been trying to make this work for over 10 hours.02:04
RiDi have had not used my n900 for almost 2 months02:04
RiDanyways, good luck (You'll *NEED* it). I have to go02:05
vi___WTF would nokia release such a piece of utter shit without documentation?02:05
RiDto make us feel like dumbasses02:05
RiDand taking revenge of all the microusb critics02:05
* RiD theory02:05
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vi___go eat a bag of dicks nokia.02:11
Drathirvi___: what is about oryginal flash size compared with create by you? maybe have some kind of strange size check?02:11
SpeedEvilvi___: :-(02:11
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vi___Drathir: No, I am using the original mmc vfat image to avoid that kind of problem.02:13
vi___SpeedEvil: Any tips?02:13
SpeedEvilalas, no idea02:13
SpeedEvilwhy are you trying to make an image?02:14
vi___SpeedEvil: do you know who I could ask?02:14
SpeedEvilnope.02:14
vi___SpeedEvil: Becasue I am fed up of having to set up all my shit everytime I reflash.02:14
SpeedEvilah02:15
vi___SpeedEvil: I have made a rootfs image with kernel.  It works great.02:15
SpeedEvilI'd cheat02:15
SpeedEvilsync02:15
SpeedEvilrsync02:15
Hurrianhoooooly shit, someone's trying to pack a custom image.02:25
Hurrianvi__, if I were you, I'd prepare a SD card with the partition layout and tars of root and /home02:26
vi___SpeedEvil: Do you think the flasher3.5 needs an initrd rolled into the flashable bin?02:26
vi___Hurrian: why?02:26
SpeedEvilvi___: I have never investigated it02:26
Hurrianvi__, so that I don't waste time trying different USB ports?02:27
vi___Hurrian: I cannot find evidence of anyone being sucessful at creating an emmc image.  ever.02:28
Hurrianvi__, it bombs out at 96% every time?02:28
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Hurrian(at flashing, that is)02:28
vi___Hurrian: yes.02:28
HurrianMaybe flasher-3.5 is just being shitty02:28
vi___Hurrian: It works with the nokia supplied pr1.3 emmc image.02:29
HurrianThe .bins are just archives, and fiasco-gen simply packs them with the info. Try the newest 0xFFFF that Pali modded.02:29
HurrianWhenever I want to flatten and restore my N900s, I simply load up RescueOS, wipe rootfs, import the partition table into sfdisk, format them, and untar my tarballs.02:31
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vi___I am starting to think I need to include some initrd or something.02:34
vi___and now the wiki is down02:35
Drathirvi___: or maybe check md5sum after flashed and give a error?02:38
Drathirhidden list of used files which flasher check and compare...02:39
Drathiris strange that every time do this error in the same place...02:40
Drathirlike oryginal content check is good and 96 starts modified content...02:42
HurrianDrathir, pretty sure it should be checking hashes /beforehand/02:42
Hurrianin which case the .bin file would fail immediately, as the md5sum or whatever it uses is completely different ;)02:43
HurrianAlso, vi__, flasher-3.5 for the N900 doesn't require a "ape-algo", which IIRC is an initrd + kernel to flash filesystems02:44
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DrathirHurrian: maybe true but if check before maybe only compare with list and after flash compare with all content some kind of error security?02:46
Hurrianbut fiasco-gen should've taken care of that when making the image02:47
Hurrianand iirc in N900 that's only done for CMT image02:47
Drathirall is very strange and interesting.... why do that...02:49
Drathirbut is strange why flasher cant dump data if can write to the phone...02:50
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Drathirthat way anyone can install all what want and work and do snapshot of phone...02:51
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Drathirnokia srvices proppably could do that, strange if not...02:52
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DocScrutinizer05vi___: you thought of cmp fiasco-original.bin your-fiasco.bin ?03:01
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DocScrutinizer05vi___: I gather you tried to use the unpacked chunks from fiasco-original.bin to build fiasco-new.bin from them. So both shouldn't differ, eh?03:04
vi___DocScrutinizer05: Yes03:04
vi___however looking with a hex editor there seems to be some name in the header.03:04
vi___RX-51 blah blah blah03:04
DocScrutinizer05hmm03:05
DocScrutinizer05btw your parameter looks bewildering to me: --mmc-partition="mydocs"03:05
DocScrutinizer05I'd have thought it's sth like 1, 2, 303:06
DocScrutinizer05ooh wait03:06
vi___DocScrutinizer05: if you try a number it craps out as soon as it starts.03:06
vi___if you use a name of a partition specified in layout file it does not.03:06
DocScrutinizer05yeah, sounds about right03:07
DocScrutinizer05~jrtools03:07
infobot[jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools03:07
DocScrutinizer05(^^^ for me)03:07
DocScrutinizer05prefix = "mydocs";03:08
DocScrutinizer05:nod:03:08
DocScrutinizer05I might be dreaming or whatever, but maybe I heard once about some odd lil glitch in layout that needs fix for fiasco-gen to work. I.E. unpacked layout from fiasco-original.bin might not match what fiasco-gen wants for --layout=ARG03:10
vi___DocScrutinizer05: The only difference I can see is a 'name' string at the start of the file.03:10
vi___DocScrutinizer05: you could be onto something...03:11
DocScrutinizer05I'd do 2 things: 1.:find out about diffs via cmp or diff,  2.: find out *why* those diffs are there, start with "what does this name-string mean? where from does it come? (grep all involved files might help)"03:15
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DocScrutinizer05(grep) if it doesn't already correlate to a filename of one of the chunks or the target03:16
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vi___FUCKIT03:20
vi___I am going to bed03:20
vi___I hate fucking computers03:20
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LaoLang_coolI got date -s work finally! date -s "1118 0924 2012"03:24
SpeedEvil:-)03:25
jon_ybest to set the format too03:30
jon_ylocale settings may break your date input03:31
jon_yah wait nvm03:31
* Drathir like ntpd03:34
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Drathirsad there isnt ntptime...03:34
nox-best set the time from gps...03:36
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nox-i think its gps recorder that does that03:37
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Drathirnox-: good idea gs also can set time without network connection...03:39
Drathirgps*03:39
nox-yeah tho then it takes longer to get a fix03:39
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Drathiryes more power but if someone dont have gprs con and phone get off batterry can if dont know time auto set...03:40
Drathirsad but not all gsm operator have time stup by network...03:41
nox-yeah03:42
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DocScrutinizer05LaoLang_cool: date -d "2012-11-18 22:11"03:49
DocScrutinizer05s/-d/-s/03:49
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: LaoLang_cool: date -s "2012-11-18 22:11"03:49
Drathirlets try .flac work or not...03:49
DocScrutinizer05for -s'etting instead -d'displaying03:50
DocScrutinizer05LaoLang_cool: generally the proper real date takes as weird shit as "next Friday teatime"03:51
DocScrutinizer05though:03:51
DocScrutinizer05~messybox03:51
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils03:51
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LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer05, it doesn't work, maybe I'm using stock busybox?03:57
LaoLang_coolI've tried it yesterday03:57
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DocScrutinizer05yes, busybox is braindamaged04:02
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robbiethe1stAnd yet, it's still better than what Windows Phone(TM) provides04:06
jon_ydoes windows phone have a console/terminal?04:07
jon_yno terminal/ssh == deal breaker :)04:07
robbiethe1stExactly04:07
jon_ytoo bad most people don't need ssh04:08
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robbiethe1stI can't live without it04:08
jon_yor is too hard to wrap their puny minds around it04:08
robbiethe1stI think so04:08
jon_ysomebody should write a lovecraftian explanation of ssh :)04:08
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robbiethe1stI mean, it's just /so/ useful to be able to search an entire directory tree for a string. Or use a loop to download X files from a site04:09
jon_ylovecraftian explanation would be awesome, I will send $100 internet dollars, about $0 US dollars04:09
jon_y:)04:09
jon_ynot to mention file upload/download capabilities04:10
jon_yall pack into 1 awesome tool04:10
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robbiethe1stNot to mention being able to, say, download a .doc file, convert it to .rtf, and open it in FBReader04:11
robbiethe1stAnd use a single, simple command to convert it. with a free program04:12
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Geardoes anyone still use the n900 as their main phone?04:17
SpeedEvilyes.04:17
SpeedEvilbut I make very, very few calls04:17
wmaronesame :)04:18
SpeedEvilit's actually now my landline phone too04:18
SpeedEvilsip04:18
GearI have two and the speaker on my dying one is REALLY bad04:18
SpeedEvil:-\04:18
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GearI tried double sided taping it securely but it's quiet and crap04:19
Gearthe other has pwnie express on it and that pretty much sucks04:19
GearI haven't looked for decent apps for months, is there a list of "must have apps" that's recent?04:20
SpeedEvilhaven't been looking04:21
Drathirjon_y: how can live without terminal this is like another hand...04:21
jon_ySpeedEvil: my DSL ISP give free landline calls04:22
Drathir.flac not recognized by n900 inside HAM also no packages... lets see apt...04:22
SpeedEvilinbound free sip here04:23
jon_ythough there is that phone rent04:23
SpeedEvilpaid if I want to make external04:23
SpeedEvilthere are weird cell providers out there.04:23
DrathirGear: i use too04:23
SpeedEvilaaisp.co.UK04:23
SpeedEvilthey let you have'a'mobile with no number04:24
SpeedEvilit is hooked up to your SIP server04:24
DrathirGear: "dying one" ^^04:24
SpeedEvilsimilarly, you can have it hooked with data to your intranet04:25
Gearyeah it's been dropped and beaten and scratched, I give it about another 6? months before it becomes a cracking phone only04:25
Gearthe parts are too expensive now and the hong kong ripoff parts mostly don't work04:26
Drathirnot biggest part of the sip have internal traffic fee ?04:27
* ShadowJK uses N900 as main phone04:27
ShadowJKyesterday I was also using the spare N900 as main internets04:27
SpeedEvilDrathir: sip out to landlines04:27
Gearhah so this is where the diehard n900 fans are04:27
ShadowJKmy main N900 is actually my third one, first two died cellmodem death04:28
DrathirGear: allegro.pl sometimes can find broken phones to buy in other countries not have?04:29
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Gear_yay wifi04:29
Gear_do you think there will ever be another open source phone like this04:30
Gear_or is this the "last of the v8 interceptors"04:30
DrathirShadowJK: but you put ther for someone one to tablet use?04:31
Drathiror wifi also dead?04:31
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ShadowJKit sits unused04:33
Drathiri waiting for more info about new open source phones annouunced some time ago...04:33
* ShadowJK suspects "last of the v8 interceptors" :-(04:33
Gear_raspberry pi and arduino are exploding though... arduino is radioshack stuff now04:34
Drathiraltervative to android one...04:34
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Gear_that's gonna recruit a whole host of REALLY young open source people04:34
Drathirwith few bigger company connected to work on it...04:35
Drathirbut name of it forget must look for it...04:35
DrathirGear_: friends in few days have had new shiny Pi Pi i waiting to test that stuff...04:36
Drathirsad that n900 dont have mods to 256 or 512 mb ram thats be awesome...04:37
Gear_don't they have 256mb of ram already04:37
ShadowJKyes04:37
Gear_512 would be good04:37
Drathira lot of speed and second live04:38
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DrathirGear_: free for user i mean... sorry...04:38
ShadowJKmeasuring the amount of free is near impossible too04:38
Drathir512 total will be enough for second born...04:39
ShadowJKIn an updated version I'd like to see 2G ram04:40
DrathirShadowJK: dreams but good dreams...04:40
Drathirpropably dont put because will be to powerfull...04:41
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Drathirnetboks also have cutted ram... so sad...04:42
Drathiranyone try running other systems on n900? not default but second system...04:46
Sc0rpiusyou mean like running Android or Mer or whatever?04:46
Sc0rpiusI used to do that but I always go back to Maemo since everything else really sucks in the N90004:47
DrathirSc0rpius: yes i think abour archlinux arm04:47
Sc0rpiuswell since the N900 is my main and only phone, I need it as a phone04:47
Sc0rpiusso ArchLinux is not an option04:48
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DrathirSc0rpius: is very risky try to run second system?04:48
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: flac support in some gstreamer-codec-support-dirty|extras|clean|$foo04:48
Sc0rpiusno, totally safe04:48
Sc0rpiususually you want to install the second OS in a microSD card04:48
Sc0rpiusso your main filesystem is untouched04:49
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: thanks i will take it from apt04:49
Sc0rpiusyou can even have several microSD cards with different OS on each04:49
DrathirSc0rpius: yes you right if its main...04:50
Drathirbut interesting why decide to take debian for base of the stystem, because will be first ?04:51
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DrathirSc0rpius: when i better know default system i try to have fun with discover new options, but that take me some time...04:53
Sc0rpiusare you a new user of the N900?04:56
Sc0rpiusthat would be weird.04:56
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Drathirsomeone have compiled pastebincl ?05:14
DrathirSc0rpius: yes few days...05:15
DrathirSc0rpius: why wired?05:15
Sc0rpiusbecause the N900 is an obsolete phone and has been obsolete since ages05:15
Drathirim now im noob with many "o"05:15
Sc0rpiuswhy would anyone buy a N900 today?05:16
* robbiethe1st would05:16
DrathirSc0rpius: better than djaviks ones...05:16
Drathirandroid looks to poor for me than clean linux...05:17
Sc0rpiusit is poor05:18
Sc0rpiusthe multitasking problem is a big problem for me in new phones05:18
Sc0rpiusfor example05:18
Sc0rpiusI really dig those Nokia Lumias05:18
Sc0rpiusand Windows Phone COULD be a nice OS, but it isn't05:18
Sc0rpiusit doesn't even support background sockets05:18
Sc0rpiusthat means, you connect SSH to somewhere, switch application, bye bye your SSH session05:18
Sc0rpiusand that's TERRIBLE05:19
Drathirlol better i dont say anything about new nokia phones... hrhr05:19
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Drathirall time like nokia phones will be top that now think all new going to be the worst of one...05:24
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: ogg-support - Ogg/Vorbis/Flac support for n90005:37
DocScrutinizer05decoders-support - Support for additional video and audio decoders in the Media Player05:38
DocScrutinizer05dunno which if both05:38
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DocScrutinizer05of*05:56
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: now looking how with apt check detailed info about packages what dependencies contain...06:07
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: ok second include first pkg06:13
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: works perfect... thanks06:21
Drathirbtw noce dropbox app is...06:21
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Drathirnow time to ipv6 configure...06:26
Macersigh06:30
Macermer/active is still fail for mainstream stuff06:30
Macer:)06:30
Maceri doubt i will ever see a productive tablet with active on it06:30
Macerstuck with win8, ios, or ad-droid forever it seems06:30
Maceri want maemo back :(06:30
robbiethe1stI'm hoping for enough support in Plasma Active that we could at least get a good, flagship tablet with good support for it06:31
jon_ysounds like the tragedy of the commons06:32
robbiethe1stI mean, so far I'm not seeing anything as good as the N900 by todays standards06:32
jon_y most people like to be rape by ads06:32
jon_ysounds elitist but is true06:32
robbiethe1stIt's rare to find a phone device with greater than 800x480 res, and even rarer to find one with a HW keyboard06:32
benny_im right with you06:33
benny_i miss my n90006:33
Maceri still use my n900 tethered heh06:33
Macerbut it's awful... i would have expected at least some unofficial hackery to have gotten mer/active going on a tf10106:33
Maceri saw a video a long time ago .. i would have thought it would be mainstream by now06:33
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Macerguess not06:50
Macerheh06:50
Macerah well06:50
Macerad-droid it is :-/06:50
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DocScrutinizer51loud MEH on plasma07:04
robbiethe1stI like it because it's KDE, relatively stock07:05
robbiethe1stwhich means I could likely set it up to run real KDE on it07:05
DocScrutinizer51plasma is about the first thing I can think of why I'd like to nuke KDE407:06
robbiethe1stand/or switch between interfaces07:06
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Drathirjon_y: btw adds utorrent also have adds but in options can off08:01
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jon_yDrathir: utorrent started getting annoying around 3.x08:50
jon_yqbittorent is the closest Free clone08:50
jon_yit's actually not too bad08:51
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keriojon_y: you mean transmission >:(09:12
kerioactually maybe not, idk if there's a windows port09:12
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internetishardAnyone in the community offering pre-customized images of maemo? Could be a good way to get back to a certain clean configuration.09:23
jon_ykerio: it does09:25
jon_yUI is very different from utorrent though09:25
jon_yhence qbitorrent is a clone in this regard09:26
internetishardqbittorrent kicks ass09:26
jon_yno Windows binaries for transmission09:27
jon_ywiki says is buildable though09:27
jon_yI wouldn't poke it just yet since qbitorrent is running perfectly fine on my windows box09:28
keriointernetishard: vi__ has been fighting with fiasco-gen since yesterday trying to do exactly that09:42
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LaoLang_coolN900's memory is so small, 256MB...09:56
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keriohow do i check if i can write to a file in a shell script?10:18
tadzikcheck if it's writable?10:19
tadzikthe only things that come to my mind are ugly hacks with perl -MFile::stat or awking ls -l10:20
keriotadzik: plenty of ways to make a 0777 file that can't be written to10:20
tadziksuch as?10:20
kerioIO errors10:21
kerioACL10:21
jon_ykerio: see test(1)10:21
jon_yor [(1)10:21
keriojon_y: i kinda want to just open it in write mode10:22
kerioi can't do that with a shell script though10:22
jon_yin a shell script, you just use the test command10:22
jon_yif test -w $file_writable then... fi10:23
jon_yno need to open/close10:23
jon_yif [ -w $file ]; then... is also fine10:24
freemangordoncould someone check how much heap hildon-ststus-menu uses?10:24
keriomeh10:25
Drathirkerio: ls -all10:25
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Drathirjon_y: ye qbittorrent is nice but i use deluge best speed and console/web acces...10:29
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kerioDrathir: why not transmission?11:16
kerioi still found it lighter than deluge11:16
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psychologehas somebody used CLI send sms seccuss, i see this thread ,but use this python script can't send sms.12:03
psychologetalk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36148&page=112:03
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internetishardkerio: vi__: good to know13:12
internetishardnever heard of fiasco-gen though13:13
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Wizzup__kerio: I've confirmed it is not a maemo issue. Gentoo + blueman/bluez has the same issues. Initial PIN works fine. Reconnecting is a pure pain.13:54
Wizzup__I think..13:54
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Wizzup__Actually, it works quite well...14:01
Wizzup__Interesting...14:01
Wizzup__(quite well on my laptop)14:01
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kerioWizzup__: hm14:09
keriowell, freemangordon is online, so you can ask him14:09
kerio(he's the extkbd dude)14:09
Wizzup__Hopefully he'll see this, since you just hl'd him :)14:13
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freemangordoncould someone without CSSU check and report what is memory usage of /usr/bin/osso-abook-home-applet16:57
freemangordons/is/is the/16:57
infobotfreemangordon meant: could someone without CSSU check and report what is the memory usage of /usr/bin/osso-abook-home-applet16:57
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SpeedEvil560 532"635 379617:04
SpeedEvilthat's17:04
SpeedEvilswap, unique pages, proportional size, RSS17:05
SpeedEvilk, not pages17:05
SpeedEvil'smem'17:05
freemangordonSpeedEvil: may I have the output of17:06
freemangordongrep -A 9 heap /proc/`pidof osso-abook-home-applet`/smaps17:06
DrathirSpeedEvil: how you check that?17:06
Drathiroh... i see...17:06
SpeedEvilsmem - it's a python thing that works fine on n90017:07
SpeedEvilRSS is a lie17:07
SpeedEvilmoment17:07
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SpeedEviloh neat17:09
SpeedEvilmuch the same output17:09
SpeedEvilor not17:09
DocScrutinizer05grep -A 9 heap /proc/`pidof osso-abook-home-applet`/smaps|tr -d '\n'17:10
SpeedEvilsize 660, RSS 380, PSS 362, 0/20/4/356/96/24017:12
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freemangordonSpeedEvil: is your address book empty?17:13
SpeedEvilyes17:13
SpeedEvilmostly17:13
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SpeedEvil5ish items17:13
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DocScrutinizer05grep -A 9 heap /proc/`pidof osso-abook-home-applet`/smaps|tr '\n' '!'17:13
freemangordonSpeedEvil: yeah, looks like17:13
DocScrutinizer05^^^ even better17:13
freemangordonit deffinitely looks like address book copy is kept in memory for every process using libosso-abook :(17:15
Drathirwith csu 624 is big vaule?17:16
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Wizzup__kerio: heh.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3290815717:20
Wizzup__Let's just blame the Keyboard then17:20
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kerioWizzup__: :(17:21
keriosilly people supporting only one brand of device17:21
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kerioi wonder if there's a bluetooth confederation that you can contact17:21
keriobecause their keyboard is definetely not a HID BT keyboard17:22
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Wizzup__well, again, it only works the first time. May be interesting to know how ipad ``reconnects''17:22
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kerioWizzup__: probably by not having a good standard in security, and accepting an unauthed, unencrypted keyboard17:23
kerioor something17:23
Wizzup__kerio: last night I tried modifying some hid config file on n900 to set auth and enc to none, but that also did not help17:25
Wizzup__I may debug more on my laptop later, but rsi is killing me, so not now17:25
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kerioWizzup__: if you've got rsi, why do you want to use a BT keyboard? :P17:49
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vi__kerio: what is wrong with his bt kbd?17:52
keriovi__: it doesn't work when you connect for the second time to it17:53
vi__hid?17:53
kerioyep17:54
keriobut the manufacturer said it's only for iShit devices17:54
Wizzup__(which I knew when I bought it, but still)17:54
kerioguy a GK30817:58
kerio*buy17:59
kerioor a Matias17:59
vi__[51644.412200] Forced hostmode error: a high-speed device attached but not high-speed mode selected18:01
vi__goddamned hen bullshit.18:01
keriothe iGo stowaway is really tiny, but the layout is a bit weird and there are no dedicated number keys18:01
keriovi__: what is this?18:01
kerioalso just do things manually18:01
vi__kerio: how?18:01
vi__I am doing it manually.18:02
Drathirvi__: some wireless keyboard have to nees oryginal reciver to work..18:02
kerioDrathir: *bluetooth*18:02
Drathirkerio: yes18:02
keriobluetooth is bluetooth18:02
Drathirhave own adapter with special encryption that only works with one reciver adapter conneced to pc...18:03
keriothat would not be bluetooth18:04
Drathirwith another bt adapter keyboard ward is not see...18:04
keriovi__: echoing the correct things to the sysfs nodes?18:04
Drathirlogitech if good remember have one that...18:05
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vi__I just wanted to mount a HDD is all.  It never works right.18:05
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keriovi__: HDDs are a bitch18:06
kerioconnect a powered hub before18:06
kerio...and Pali's battery measurer tells me that my battery is 101% charged18:07
keriofor fuck's sake, what's his stupid obsession with rx51-battery18:07
kerioi don't get it18:07
vi__kerio: the hdd is self powered.18:08
keriovi__: \_o_/18:08
keriojust keep trying a bit18:08
kerioenumeration is still a bitch18:08
vi__enumeration doesnt work.18:08
vi__ffs.18:08
kerioask DocScrutinizer05 for help18:09
kerioif you want to be told "rmmod those weird modules and use h-e-n"18:09
Wizzup__kerio: I'll look into that one18:10
kerioWizzup__: anyway, i thought you said something about toying with hcitool to make the keyboard work?18:11
vi__I am using hen18:12
vi__finally it enumerated.18:12
DocScrutinizer05vi__: I'm confused who might have introduced that oddly worded "error"18:13
DocScrutinizer05a) it's not an error  b) it's grammatically incorrect18:13
kerioand yeah, that's definetely pali18:14
DocScrutinizer05tbh 'sounds' like pali18:14
kerioare you sure you're using h-e-n and not usbmode(.sh)?18:14
vi__wtf are you taliking about?18:14
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I suspect pali messing with hostmode patches to KP18:14
Wizzup__kerio: yes, I did something, but I cannot repeat/reproduce it18:14
vi__I am using kernel-cssu3, thumb and HEN.18:14
Wizzup__I still want to try a laser-ir keyboard...hehe18:15
DocScrutinizer05vi__: this 'error' msg is most likely a kernel message from musb_hdrc18:15
kerioWizzup__: no, you don't >:c18:15
Wizzup__Are they terrible18:15
Wizzup__?18:15
Wizzup__I really like the idea18:16
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DocScrutinizer05actually I seem to recall sth like "added error messages to hostmode" in KP changelog18:17
vi__how the shitters does my disc have a fat32 partition on it?18:17
DocScrutinizer05which already puzzled me back when, since I'm sure we had sufficient diagnostic output in original hostmode kernel18:17
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Wizzup__Isn't MyDocs fat, vi__ ?18:17
kerioWizzup__: i think he's talking about his usb hdd18:18
DocScrutinizer05vi__: *maybe* you mounted a superfloppy (no partition table)?18:20
DocScrutinizer05vi__: check mount18:20
vi__Wizzup__: I am partitioning gthe HDD on my router.18:20
keriovi__: a new HDD?18:21
vi__kerio: yeah18:21
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keriothere was probably a partition already there18:21
keriokill it with fire18:22
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vi__fat32 what a joke.18:29
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vi__why we are stuck with such legacy BS?18:29
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keriovi__: because people keep using windows xp18:33
kerioand neither os x nor windows support ext* or btrfs18:33
Wizzup__is btrfs even declared stable yet18:34
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kerioWizzup__: nope18:35
keriobut then again, i don't particularly trust fat32 either18:36
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vi__I expect everything from my mp3 player to my server to support reiser518:36
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kerioyou know who's not going to support reiser5?18:38
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kerionina reiser18:39
kerioyes, i went there18:39
Wizzup__*sigh*18:39
Wizzup__Can be make mcafee jokes too now t hen18:39
* vi__ shakes his head.18:39
Wizzup__( http://gizmodo.com/5959812/john-mcafee-wanted-for-murder )18:39
kerioWizzup__: bonus points for linking to a neat story, malus points for linking to gizmodo18:41
Wizzup__18:43
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DocScrutinizer05Wizzup__: oooold19:04
Wizzup__I know ... reiser is even older :)19:05
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bennypr0fanehello does anyone know where to find kerne power19:35
FIQ|n900in the repositories I bet19:38
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FIQ|n900kernel-power - Flashable Linux kernel (kernel power 2.6.28.10)19:38
bennypr0fanesorry my IRC got hung up19:39
bennypr0faneI meant kp version 5219:39
FIQ|n900well if that one doesn't provide kp52, I dunno what does19:39
FIQ|n900I don't use kp currently19:39
bennypr0faneit's in devel, right?19:39
FIQ|n900probably19:39
bennypr0faneIs 52 even the latest? and does it work with thumb/does it come thumb compiled?19:40
bennypr0faneoof, forgot to switch on devel before updating ham19:41
FIQ|n900~ham19:41
infobotmethinks ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does19:41
bennypr0faneyes, that. I just installed CSSU-thumb19:42
bennypr0fanenew Firefoy just crashes on me19:42
bennypr0fane*Firefox19:42
FIQ|n900cssu-thumb?19:42
bennypr0faneyes19:42
FIQ|n900what's that?19:42
FIQ|n900never heard of19:42
keriobennypr0fane: KP52 is still a prerelease19:43
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kerioFIQ|n900: it's a secret19:43
FIQ|n900a secret that google knows about19:43
bennypr0fanekerio pre-release, as in unstable?19:44
keriobennypr0fane: prerelease as in "still subject to change and not released officially"19:44
bennypr0faneFIQ|n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829&highlight=thumb219:45
bennypr0faneAnyone in here using CSSU-thumb?19:45
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bennypr0faneI upgraded Fennec to v17 after installing thumb, but starts adn crashes right away...19:48
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keriobennypr0fane: worksforme19:52
bennypr0fanemaybe I did something wrong...19:55
keriorun it from xterm and see if there are error messages19:56
bennypr0fanethe command is fennec or firefox?19:56
DocScrutinizer05whatever expands to a valid command on pressing <tab>19:57
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DocScrutinizer05(though I could figure they missed to have a proper symlink in /usr/bin and rather start the binary on /opt via FQN in .desktop - dunno)19:58
DocScrutinizer05(just like alarmed...)19:59
bennypr0faneuhm, which is the tab key?20:01
DocScrutinizer05in osso-xterm you got one in the hotkey bar usually20:02
bennypr0faneah, ok20:02
DocScrutinizer05called "Tab"20:02
FIQ|n900ctrl-i should work too usually20:02
DocScrutinizer05:nod:20:02
bennypr0faneI wonder if I shoulda removed the previous version of fennec first20:03
FIQ|n900is fennec still insanely slow nowdays?20:03
FIQ|n900it was last time when I used it...20:03
FIQ|n900(which was 2011)20:04
bennypr0fanehow are newer thumb-versions of apps handled? I mean should it be replaced the same as if it were non-thumb?20:04
DocScrutinizer05last i heard been "firefox way faster than fenec"20:04
FIQ|n900uh20:05
keriowhat?20:05
bennypr0fanefennec gives Segmentation fault. what does it mean?20:05
FIQ|n900firefox as in firefox-desktop...?20:05
kerio:s20:05
DocScrutinizer05also a year ago or somesuch20:05
keriofennec from cssu-thumb is actually usable20:05
bennypr0fanewell I'm pretty sure progress has been made since then20:05
FIQ|n900me too20:06
FIQ|n900but is it *usable*?20:06
FIQ|n900I don't like microB but there's hardly better choices... or at least there was20:06
bennypr0faneuntil I xwithced to thumb just now, I used Fennec 7, which seemed not slower than MicroB20:06
bennypr0faneso yes, usable to me20:06
FIQ|n900ok interesting20:06
bennypr0faneand latest Thumb so20:07
bennypr0fane*** damn typos20:07
bennypr0faneshould be a bit more so20:07
FIQ|n900i'll not use thumb before it's deemed stable20:07
bennypr0faneThumb is deemed stable20:07
FIQ|n900(currently on cssu S4.120:07
FIQ|n900)20:07
bennypr0faneI think otherwise they wouldn't pout that in the thread title20:08
bennypr0faneplease guys what is a segmantation fault and what do I do about it?20:08
FIQ|n900"stable thumb2"20:08
keriobennypr0fane: "something blew up"20:08
FIQ|n900i.e. stable thumb2 binaries20:08
FIQ|n900that doesn't mean that the release itself is stable over not using thumb2 at all20:09
kerioto be fair, it *should* be the same as cssu-testing20:10
kerioi mean, it's the same source code20:10
FIQ|n900also it seems to require cssu testing, another thing that from what I can see is against it beins stable20:10
keriojust recompiled20:10
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FIQ|n900*being20:10
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: it seems there's not much known about problems with thumb system20:10
FIQ|n900kerio: I use cssu-stable20:10
bennypr0faneWhat does that mean "stable over x" the way I see it, there is a defintion of stable, and it either fits that defintion or not20:10
DocScrutinizer05err not many known problems with thumb20:10
FIQ|n900So even if it's indeed stable, it still requires me to upgrade to cssu unstable :)20:11
keriobennypr0fane: fennec confimed workingforme20:11
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DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: main issue with cssu-thumb right now is probably maintenance. It's even more 'bleeding edge' and way less tested than cssu-t20:11
FIQ|n900yeah20:11
bennypr0fanehttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829&highlight=thumb2 I asked these question in tmo before making the switch20:12
bennypr0fanemaybe the answers help you20:12
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bennypr0faneI guess if there haven't been any problems reported so far, you should be fine20:13
bennypr0faneI will report in that thread if anyhting comes up20:13
FIQ|n900bennypr0fane: bleeding edge is no problem for me manually20:14
FIQ|n900if I could reflash properly I would happily try it20:15
bennypr0fane...you cna't?20:16
keriodat usb20:16
FIQ|n900s/manually/normally/20:16
kerioor, rather, dat lack of usb20:16
FIQ|n900:p20:16
bennypr0faneyour usb is broken?20:16
FIQ|n900yes, currently20:16
bennypr0faneman, that sucks20:16
FIQ|n900i've not found anyone willing to fix it for me :)20:17
keriotry nokia care20:17
kerioapparently that's now a thing20:17
FIQ|n900I believe my friend with a similar problem did20:17
bennypr0fanehuh?20:17
bennypr0fanewell if your device is less than 2 years old...20:18
FIQ|n900They destroyed the device after calling it unfixable20:18
keriobennypr0fane: they usually swap20:18
keriowith a N820:18
FIQ|n900bennypr0fane: it's 3yrs old soon20:18
kerioor something stupid like that20:18
bennypr0faneN820:18
bennypr0fanecan't be serious...20:18
FIQ|n900well technically a little over 220:18
FIQ|n900but I've already had a replacement20:18
FIQ|n900(which, believe it or not, had the same problem)20:19
bennypr0faneI believe20:19
bennypr0faneI seem to have lucked out with my device20:19
bennypr0fanenever any hardware problems20:20
keriowhat the fucking fuck20:20
keriomy N900 just shut down20:20
kerioi was doing I/O20:20
Wizzup__http://youtu.be/26UA578yQ5g20:20
keriogod fucking dammit not this again20:20
kerioi'm just going to assume it's dsme being the usual dick20:22
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kerio32wd_to <- yep20:27
keriofucking dsme20:27
kerioShadowJK: dding a file from a mounted eMMC partition to the uSD caused this20:27
kerioalso wtf, why does cpumem-applet report 100% used cpu while top doesn't?20:28
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bennypr0faneha, Fennec is working: "Remove /home/user/.mozilla/fennec directory and try again to run fennec. And make sure you don't run it as root"20:41
bennypr0faneyay!20:41
bennypr0faneand pretty fast, too20:41
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bennypr0fanelightning start, conpared to before20:42
freemangordonbennypr0fane: thumb one?20:42
bennypr0faneyes!20:42
bennypr0faneonly just made the switch20:43
bennypr0faneno-thumb fennec 7 to thumb20:43
bennypr0fanequite the difference i gotta say20:43
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bennypr0fanepage loading not that much, but still20:45
bennypr0fanemainly handling, responsiveness is better20:45
freemangordonyeah, page loading times suck20:45
freemangordonbut it seems to be an upstream bug20:45
bennypr0fanewell not worse than MicroB20:45
freemangordonwhaat?20:45
freemangordondo you have adblock?20:46
bennypr0faneyes20:46
freemangordonhehe20:46
freemangordonremove it20:46
freemangordonand tey microb again ;)20:46
bennypr0fanethat will make my life betteR?20:46
freemangordon*try20:46
freemangordonyou won;t believe it20:46
kerioyeah, adblock is *really* heavy20:46
bennypr0fanehmmm20:46
bennypr0fanewho'd have thunk20:46
bennypr0faneso MicroB as fast as Opera?Helium?20:47
freemangordonif not faster20:47
keriohm, how am i supposed to make nemo boot with uboot?20:47
bennypr0fanethat should make me rather happy...20:47
bennypr0fanekerio you use power kernel?20:48
keriobennypr0fane: yes20:48
kerioah fuck, i have to remove the battery for this :C20:48
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bennypr0fanekerio, check this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N90020:49
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vi___adblock is brutal.20:49
freemangordonyeah, it adds about 8010 seconds to page loading time20:50
bennypr0fanefreemangordon I aslo have fasterfox and speedDNS in MicroB. Any of that slow me down too?20:50
freemangordon8-1020:50
freemangordonNFC20:50
vi___Make a light hosts file block list and add the flashblock script to your user.css.20:50
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vi___bennypr0fane: probably yes.20:50
vi___fasterfox is widely panned as being a POS20:50
vi___think of it as the speedpatch of firefox.20:51
keriofasterfox *is* a POS20:51
bennypr0fanewhat is a POS? Yes to whaT?20:51
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kerioPiece Of Shit20:52
bennypr0fanewill it suffice to deactivate Ad block or need to remove it?20:52
vi___pile of shit.20:52
vi___bennypr0fane: I think de-activate is ok.20:53
vi___bennypr0fane: look into 'fanboy' host file block list.20:53
vi___he offers a 'lite' version for lower power machines.20:53
bennypr0fanevi___ as a replacement for ad block?20:53
bennypr0fanewhat about speed DNS?20:54
vi___bennypr0fane: yes as an ab replacement.20:54
bennypr0fanedo you have any active addon in MicroB?20:54
vi___fuck the internet with no adblck.20:55
abvi___: no need to replace me20:55
vi___ab: hah.20:55
kerioab: oh you20:55
bennypr0faneab HAHA :-D20:55
vi___a lurker awakens!20:55
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vi___bennypr0fane: noscript20:55
bennypr0fanekerio you trying the latest nemo?20:55
kerioyes, but in a weird way20:56
vi___bennypr0fane: ghostery works20:56
bennypr0fanevi____ what is a hosts file block list20:56
bennypr0fanekerio weird how?20:57
vi___bennypr0fane: look it uo.20:57
vi___bennypr0fane: look it upp.20:57
keriobennypr0fane: i didn't follow the "correct" partition layout20:57
kerioand i don't know how to specify where's the root device20:57
bennypr0faneI think you can't20:57
kerioBS20:57
bennypr0faneyou trying to run it off mmc?20:57
kerioyes20:58
bennypr0faneoh20:59
bennypr0fanewell that comlicates things20:59
kerioapparently the only devices that the kernel sees at boot are mtdblock*20:59
bennypr0faneguys, is there a way to load the desktop version of Facebook in FEnnec?20:59
keriooic21:00
bennypr0fanevi___ the results I get are all Windows relatede21:00
bennypr0fanefor hosts file blocking21:01
bennypr0faneare these as true for all browsers?21:01
vi___bennypr0fane: yes21:02
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bennypr0faneI hate all sites that won't show me the desktop version if I want it21:05
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kerioFUCKING SYSTEMD NOT MAKING MY NEMO BOOT21:06
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keriook, fixed fstab :)21:09
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DocScrutinizer05((<FIQ|n900> i've not found anyone willing to fix it for me :) )) recently somebody had his N900 USB repaired at a Nokia Care point, and he actually got device back in fixed condition, paid 30GBP. It wasn't in warranty anymore, so Nokia didn't feel like keeping the N900 and shipping a crappy "replacement" N8 or whatever instead. Maybe a viable way to get yours fixed as well?21:13
keriohm, nemo is pretty21:14
kerio:321:14
kerioit reports my battery as empty, though21:14
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bennypr0fanekerio u find it rather usable? afaik there's still a lot missing...21:17
kerioit's a tech demo, of course it's not usable21:17
kerio:)21:17
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kerioand now to never use it again21:20
vi___it is not so hard.21:21
vi___Just give me debian+hildon+gsm on my fone.21:22
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keriovi___: word21:22
ShadowJKkerio; I suspect the applet counts Wait as use21:23
ShadowJKor everything not "idle" as busy21:25
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DocScrutinizer05((<kerio> hm, nemo is pretty)) haute couture, while we all know we need an overall in daily live, not something sexy looking that doesn't even allow sitting down21:35
DocScrutinizer05^^^ this was a more generic comment about recent OS design paradigms found everywhere21:36
DocScrutinizer05s/live/life/21:37
kerioDocScrutinizer05: but it's pretty!21:37
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: fun fact: systemd will keep trying and trying and trying if you have *something* that doesn't work in your fstab21:42
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DocScrutinizer05fsck systemd - yesterday I found no way to `stop akonadi-server`21:44
DocScrutinizer05systemd is an undigestible POS in my book21:44
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DocScrutinizer05btw systemd already uses dbus, sth I thought was a joke until I've seen it mentioned in man systemd21:55
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DocScrutinizer05I'm rather sure there are still nasty bug sleeping in dbus. the more I appreciate a new process-#1 using dbus now21:56
DocScrutinizer05oh, and of course I'd adore dbus running on all my small embedded systems like sheeevaplug, whatever, just to make systemd happy22:02
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i just checked, there's no systemd on my sheevaplug :322:04
DocScrutinizer05linux more and more turns from a general purpose OS to sth tailored to fit windows-alike desktops only. Thanks to Lennart22:04
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vi___MohammadAG: PING!22:08
vi___get this22:08
vi___a rootfs image, with backupmenu rolled in...22:09
vi___...PLUS an eMMC image include inside the rootfs image.22:09
vi___That way you only need flash the rootfs image then wipe mmc with the opt tar22:10
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keriovi___: are you still desperately trying to figure out how fiascogen is supposed to work?22:13
vi___I know how it is SUPPOSED to work.22:13
vi___It just turns out no one EVER saw fit to document how the layout file should look.22:14
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SpeedEvil:-\22:16
DocScrutinizer05vi___: maybe we could ask somebody (ex-)$Nokia to shed some light on it?22:18
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DocScrutinizer05vi___: you meanwhile think it's definitely related to layout file?22:21
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DocScrutinizer05vi___: also, iirc this fiasco-gen is just some 40k and available for X86. freemangordon might be able and willing to analyze it, maybe22:22
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: you tried to unpack the non-working fiasco.bin via flasher-3.5?22:24
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DocScrutinizer05s/freemangordon/vi___/22:24
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: vi___: you tried to unpack the non-working fiasco.bin via flasher-3.5?22:24
vi___DocScrutinizer05: fiasco-gen is available for x86.22:25
vi___It has no sanity checking on the layout files.22:25
DocScrutinizer05that's what I wrote22:25
vi___So you can feed in any old shit and it will use it.22:26
DocScrutinizer05sure22:26
vi___However if you try to flash it, it will fail.22:26
vi___I have had varying degrees of success.22:26
DocScrutinizer05just when you unpack such shitty fiasco.bin via flasher, you could compare the unpacked files to the original ones you used to build it22:26
vi___The most successful I have had is using the layout file as it appears in the header of the pr1.3 emmc.22:27
vi___DocScrutinizer05: I have tried that.22:27
vi___Unpacking gets you your filesystem image.22:27
vi___It is the same as I put it in.22:27
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vi___with the nokia mmc mydocs image+the 'example' layout (from the header), flasher will accept the fiasco image, attempt to flash it then choke at 96%22:29
vi___If I alter the header, flasher will not accept the fiasco image.22:29
Drathirvi___: flasher have any verbose mode?22:29
vi___If I alter the filesystem image, flasher will barf at ~20%.22:30
vi___If I compare the header of my mmc image with that of pr1.3 header I can see they are different.22:30
vi___There seems to be an extra 'label' in the nokia one.22:31
freemangordondoes anyone know what exactly libedataserver.so do?22:31
DocScrutinizer05evolution?22:31
freemangordonyep22:31
DocScrutinizer05no idea, beyond that22:32
freemangordonI have a feeling that contacts are not in DB22:32
freemangordonwell, not in berkeley DB22:32
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freemangordonbut in a simple file22:32
vi___http://paste.debian.net/210523/22:32
vi___^ is the header from my fiasco image22:33
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vi___http://paste.debian.net/210524/22:33
vi___^ is the header from pr1.3 emmc image22:33
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vi___you will see the nokia one contains a 'RX-51_20'... line at the start.22:36
vi___It is NOT the version string you can specify in the layout file.22:37
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vi___This page details the fiasco image format:22:38
vi___http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/?p=docu&q=fiasco22:38
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vi___and now I am stumped22:41
DocScrutinizer05vi___: yours is missing "3.mmc { "22:41
vi___DocScrutinizer05: Yes.22:42
vi___But htf do I get it there?22:42
vi___If I add it to the layout file, the image will not be accepted by flasher (never mind even getting to fail to flash).22:42
DocScrutinizer05make sure your {} match in layout22:43
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vi___So you are suggesting I add '3.mmc { blah blah blah } to my file?22:44
DocScrutinizer05vi___: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools22:44
vi___I am pretty sure I have tried that.22:44
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vi___I do not understand what you mean doc.22:47
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DocScrutinizer05I think it's just about format of layout file, and possibly parameter passed via >>--mmc-partition=ARG  Partition for the MMC raw image (in layout)<< (which might create the 'label' you're missing)22:49
DocScrutinizer05sorry, no better ideas here22:50
vi___you are hinting at something, can you be more specific?22:51
vi___MohammadAG: ping23:00
DocScrutinizer05vi___: the structure as found on http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools seems "wellformed" (matching { } and a label "mmc" ). your excerpt as of http://paste.debian.net/210523/ is missing that. Either it has to get included into layout file, or fiasco-gen auto-creates it when given the right parameters23:02
DocScrutinizer05vi___: that's about all hints I can give. I'm largely handwaving23:03
* fil has spent the day going through old forum threads and recreating the flaining attempts of others to sort out his crappy SIP quality ... to no great effect -- I just tried Skype though, and it works fine, which makes it even more annoying23:04
fils/flaining/flailing/23:05
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filanyone know how to disable echo cancelation in the n900 SIP client?  (just a vague theory that I want to eliminate: the freeswitch and n900 echo cancelation stuff may be getting into a fight)23:08
DocScrutinizer05there's no way for two EC to get into a fight23:09
DocScrutinizer05fil: wireshark has a good analysis function for RTP (SIP) streams23:10
DocScrutinizer05check your inbound jitter / packet-loss23:10
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vi___fil: Limit the codecs sip can use.23:18
vi___Limit it to the lower quality ones23:18
vi___gsm23:18
vi___ilbc23:18
vi___and g72923:18
vi___(i think)23:18
DocScrutinizer05I found that 3 most relevant sources of problems with SIP audio quality are: WiFi / router / firewall-there,  Codec used (depends on far end as much as your own client), and audio card itself (PA for maemo)23:19
DocScrutinizer05hey, vi___ beat me on it23:19
vi___fil: My sip performance is utter shit as well.23:20
vi___Performance seems to be improved by disabling the other codecs.23:20
vi___But it is too early to say.23:20
vi___DocScrutinizer05: Some of us are not allowed to fiddle with work wifi access points...23:20
DocScrutinizer05in our case it could be other way round: the low-bandwidth codecs could just hog the N900 CPU, while 'simple' codecs with high bandwidth might work better23:22
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vi___DocScrutinizer05: Perhaps, give me a couple of days before I make a comment.23:22
vi___Fortunatley we have wireshark on the n900!23:22
DocScrutinizer05indeed23:23
DocScrutinizer05mad useful tool23:23
DocScrutinizer05even does statistics on jitter etc of RTP streams, and knows to playback them23:24
filwell, I've tried it in all sorts of places over the years, but since I use SIP for my work phone, clients start getting tired of dire quality pretty quickly, so I burn money on GSM even when I shouldn't need to to avoid complaints (and thus do much less testing recently)23:24
DocScrutinizer05if your inbound RTP UDP stream is jitterfree and no packet loss, the problem is inside N90023:24
filI'll check that now...23:25
DocScrutinizer05otherwise try low bandwidth codecs and better WiFi AP23:25
DocScrutinizer05also WiFi encryption might be a source for CPU hogging23:26
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DocScrutinizer05alas libsofiasip isn't twinklephone, so the debugging options are not that many23:28
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DocScrutinizer05you however *might* try and use N900 as a WiFi network access via USB, and run twinkle (or other SIP clients of your choice) on a tethered PC23:29
vi___fil: You can configure the codecs for sip by editing /etc/stream-engine/gstcodecs.conf23:30
DocScrutinizer05so you could rule out the WiFi for source of jitter and/or packet loss23:30
vi___fil: you can disable a codec by putting a 'id=-1' in the control block.23:30
DocScrutinizer05vi___: duh! thanks for that info! :-)23:30
vi___DocScrutinizer05: I still know 1 or 2 tricks!23:32
filvi___: yeah, thanks -- I'd worked that bit out in my travels -- I've tried playing a few of the codecs, but not GSM, which I'd guess it optimised for, so worth a try23:33
DocScrutinizer05my guess: sequence of those codecs in that file determines which is preferred and which less prio23:33
fil(although my testing recently has been simply calling the Freeswitch IVR demo, which may not be a very good test for normal calls)23:33
DocScrutinizer05fil: GSM isn't optimized. Since it's done inside modem usually23:34
filah, fair enough23:34
DocScrutinizer05fil: iLBC usually considered best codec to be found23:34
filthat didn't seem to help :-/23:35
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DocScrutinizer05PCMA/PCMU are pretty simply and thus high-bandwidth codecs23:36
DocScrutinizer05simple*23:36
DocScrutinizer05high bandwidth low CPU load23:36
filthe frustrating thing is that twinkle on my laptop on the same wifi routers has never had an issue whenever I fired it up to see if the problem was external to the n90023:36
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, check which codec it negotiates23:37
filgood idea23:37
DocScrutinizer05(shows up next to call duration)23:37
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DocScrutinizer05during call23:37
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DocScrutinizer05pleased to hear somebody is using twinke still23:38
DocScrutinizer05you're no by any chance using the de_DE locale?23:38
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, prolly not, judging by your realname23:39
filnah -- en_UK (despite sitting in Berlin at this moment :-) )23:39
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DocScrutinizer05I massively augmented the de_DE translation to include lots of explanations beyond what Michel originally implemented23:40
DocScrutinizer05a pity my tweaks to window dimensions and icons and hotkeys etc never made it 'upstream'23:42
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DocScrutinizer05a few other patches did, though23:43
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vi___how do I manually re-enumerate?23:48
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vi___WTF23:50
vi___DocScrutinizer05: hub 1-0:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port 7 disabled23:50
vi___^ I just got 10 of those on my PC.23:51
vi___when I connected an n900 on backupmenu.23:51
vi___I thought fuckit and pulled the battery.23:51
vi___The n900 stayed on as it was connected by usb cable.23:51
Drathirthat georgious sound of floopy disk...23:51
vi___It then enumerated fine?23:52
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vi___How the hell could the removal of the battery fix the above error.  That is insane.23:52
DocScrutinizer05hmm, it probably can't23:52
DocScrutinizer05tbh it definitely can't23:53
filDocScrutinizer05: yeah, shame it's not being developed any more :-/  -- amusingly it seems that I've broken audio on the laptop too now (although I don't think that's SIP related, as youtube audio is totally fragmented at present too -- oh well)23:53
DocScrutinizer05though from your description, I conclude that you're not running bme23:53
filanyway, it was negociating spx-wb23:53
DocScrutinizer05so I got NFC what pali's bme-alternative does to USB23:54
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DocScrutinizer05fil: (broken audio) I bet on PA23:55
filyup23:55
DocScrutinizer05(not developed anymore) say "thank you, qt!"23:55
vi___fil: Did you run wireshark while initiating a sip call?23:55
DocScrutinizer05speex-wideband, hmm23:56
filnot yet, will do now that I've installed it (I really ought to undo all the tweaks I've tried over the day too ... before I forget what I did)23:56
DocScrutinizer05I wouldn't bet a penny on any particular of the fremantle codecs being bugfree23:56
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vi___DocScrutinizer05: heresy!23:58
teotwakidid I hear SIP issues?23:59
DocScrutinizer05yeah23:59
DocScrutinizer05poor audio quality23:59
DocScrutinizer05inbound it seems23:59
teotwakiah, I've never solved that one on the n90023:59
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