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| Drathir | kerio: but you know someone who use is? is save for phone? | 00:04 |
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| kerio | what the fuck, my n900 thinks my dedicated charger is actually a usb host | 00:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: halp | 00:38 |
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| Drathir | kerio: re switched? | 00:39 |
| vi___ | Drathir: re-switched? | 00:39 |
| kerio | yay, rebooting fixed it | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I usually fix that by un-&re-plugging charger | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: but yeah, I seem to recall I had lockups too | 00:42 |
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| * Drathir have funny tnings is possible that oryginall nokia charged broken? because oryginal 1.2k mAh charging power is that low then cant on the phone but earlier BB9300 oryginal rim 900mAh charging and also can switch on... | 00:45 | |
| Drathir | wait 750mAh* | 00:46 |
| Drathir | dam* mA bad dict... bad... | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: I'd not mix LiIon like BL-5J with LiPo like BP-4L | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: you should make sure you use batteries with identical chemistry when you want to parallel them | 00:49 |
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| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: ...should. | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: why not use 3 batteries? http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120715_003.jpg | 00:51 |
| vi___ | Because we can only use what will fit in a mugen back door. | 00:52 |
| vi___ | And those 2 batteries are just too much size. | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, they aren't | 00:53 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: nice compression of place... | 00:54 |
| vi___ | A mugen cover can only accomodate 40mm (iirc) width. | 00:54 |
| vi___ | actually I can access my notebooks online. 1 mo. I will tell you EXACTLY how much room there is in a mugen cover. | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BL-4C/5C/6C, should fit under any reasonably extended deepth backcover, when you remove the plastic housing and protecction circuitry, which is needed only once and gives you an additional ~5mm in cell length | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | saves you an* | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF 40mm? what did they do to the remaining ~17mm ? | 00:57 |
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| vi___ | 63*44*6mm | 00:58 |
| vi___ | Sorry that was wrong. | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fill it with plastic? store atomic waste there? | 00:58 |
| vi___ | Stupid micro fail skydrive slow as frozen shit in an igloo.shit | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the BL-nC are ~54mm length, and it looked to me as if they'd fit pretty well into a bac cover that's just a bit deeper than the original | 01:00 |
| Drathir | or mod the default from outside orginal cover with only plug ooing inside phone... but made that must be smart and good planned... | 01:00 |
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| vi___ | Drathir: That would work like shit. | 01:01 |
| vi___ | Drathir: A company called mugen make new covers. | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we had a few such 'bomblet' designs | 01:01 |
| vi___ | Drathir: The cover is bigger. | 01:01 |
| vi___ | Drathir: The cover has 63*44*6mm space inside. | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: what's in the rest of it? | 01:02 |
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| Drathir | vi___: yes the cover is the best idea, but in my country sad but dont find any mugen covers... | 01:02 |
| * ShadowJK 'd consider BL-5J and BP-4L the same chemistry.. atleast considering there's probably bigger difference between new nokia bl-5J and the old BL-5J, compared to difference between old BL-5J and BP-4L | 01:02 | |
| vi___ | The cover is curved on the back. | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: WUT? | 01:03 |
| vi___ | Also there is space taken up by the switch to simulate the camera slider, | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omg | 01:03 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: http://mugen.s3.amazonaws.com/catalog/product/cache/5/image/3cf0ca6dbe9e7e88d6bb53bb8599e085/n/9/n900xl2_1.jpg | 01:04 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: I have measured the space with a caliper gauge. | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see | 01:05 |
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| vi___ | bp-4l is 66x43x5mm | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sou you need shorter batteries, not 55mm but 40mm | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, no, you need bp-4l :-D | 01:07 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: ~40mm with the PCB removed. | 01:07 |
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| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: Now you see! | 01:08 |
| vi___ | Drathir: You must buy from mugen website. | 01:08 |
| vi___ | Drathir: They will send all over the world, for money. | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: maybe you can find some cell that's a 1mm thicker | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should give 20% more capacity | 01:09 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: Perhaps. Unfortunatley only nokia battery dimensions are well documented. | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is there a bp-5l maybe? | 01:10 |
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| vi___ | 67*45*5mm | 01:11 |
| vi___ | Perhaps if you stripped the label off you could squeeze that last bit. | 01:12 |
| vi___ | Actually the battery has a curved edge. | 01:12 |
| vi___ | It would perhaps fit nicely into the cover. | 01:12 |
| vi___ | The 44mm measurement is minimum width measured at the bottom of the curve. | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strange. Nokia's funny. BL-4C and 5C and 6C are same length and width, just each a tad thicker than the other | 01:13 |
| vi___ | It is still only rated at 1500mAh. | 01:13 |
| vi___ | The same as the best bl-5j | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: (chemistry) what if one cell has a U/tmp rate of 5mV/°C and the other 15mV/°C ? | 01:16 |
| amospalla | for some reason, sometimes contacts duplicate, and appear new contacts with IM accounts, and original contacts loose that IM account | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strange | 01:17 |
| amospalla | is anyone experiencing that? its always been like that | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, the Z will play a bigger part | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not using IM, so can't help. sorry | 01:18 |
| amospalla | thanks DocScrutinizer05 | 01:19 |
| vi___ | amospalla: if you disable, then re-enable an account it will happen. | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: when cells heat up, the one will charge the other, which makes both heat up even more | 01:19 |
| amospalla | vi___: and so, that applies, to group status, I guess | 01:19 |
| amospalla | I use these | 01:19 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: There is an 1800mAh Mugen BP-4L. I will wager it is a tiny bit thicker. | 01:19 |
| amospalla | vi___: thanks | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 01:20 |
| ShadowJK | vi___, the mugen BP-5L was a bit thinner than nokia BP-5L. Also, the Mugen BP-5L is 1200mAh. (Advertised 1800 on their site). :) | 01:20 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, the anode and cathode will still be made of the same materials, the electrolyte in polymer battery would be different, but that probably only mostly affects how the battery's internal impedance across the temperature and load range varies? | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: I'm not saying this must inevitably result in a problem, but I'm *very* cautious with connecting in parallel different cell types | 01:23 |
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| ShadowJK | I don't think the chemistry difference is much bigger than that of a battery manufactured today and a battery manufacturered last year to the same nominal specs | 01:25 |
| vi___ | ShadowJK: Mugen bastards! | 01:25 |
| vi___ | How the FUCK did this utter goon get an n950? | 01:25 |
| vi___ | http://www.blackphoebe.com/msjen/2012/07/nokia-n950-how-to-op.html | 01:25 |
| vi___ | read the last comment. | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: I'd also strongly discourage anybody to connect batteries of different age | 01:26 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: definatle. | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, yes :) | 01:26 |
| jacekowski | how somebody can come up with BS like that | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | batteries never have 3.7V exactly | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | typical "3.7V" is charged to 4.2 iirc | 01:29 |
| ShadowJK | Well, 3.7V is the midpoint between 3.2 and 4.2. Panasonic has batteries that have useful energy, and doesn't sustain damage down to 2.8 or so, and those might be labeled as 3.6V nominal. LG has batteries that are stable up to 4.35V, and those get labeled 3.8V... or it might be 3.8V because there's no energy left after 3.4V? | 01:30 |
| vi___ | jacekowski: Yup. | 01:30 |
| vi___ | Either way, let us mock her ignorance of our culture. | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | in any case, the "normal" 3.2 - 4.2 range of N900 is pretty "safe" for all these things, you just don't get the full rated capacity | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: hm? | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: BS like what? | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, MsJen | 01:33 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: iirc N900 can take like 30V over usb | 01:34 |
| jacekowski | or whatever bq24150 can do | 01:34 |
| vi___ | surely there is some form of over voltage protection? | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, I meant that the thresholds used by N900's battery management of 3.2 being empty and 4.2 for full, is perfectly compatible with the 3.8V batteries | 01:35 |
| vi___ | Some zeners or something. | 01:35 |
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| vi___ | gtg | 01:36 |
| vi___ | gn | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 will smoke up on >20V, but probably suffers damage at 12V already | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since VBUS detection pin from GAIA isn't really protected against overvoltage, and GAIA has not the nice high tolerance against OV like bq24150 | 01:37 |
| Drathir | sad that HAM dont have list export option... | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | list export? | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: I think there are other ways to get all the lists you might ever want. Just specify what exactly you're after | 01:43 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yes installed aplication list | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | create a backup and check the .tgz | 01:44 |
| Drathir | yes i know that apt can do that | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a fine list of installed apps | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (built-in hildon backup app) | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually not apt but dpkg -L | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -l ? | 01:46 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ok i have but not jet checking insde backups | 01:46 |
| Drathir | yet* | 01:46 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: appdownloader have something other than HAM ? or it is only the gui? | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | appdownloader? never heard of | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be some kinky chimera between a webbrowser for http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ and the one-click installer files there that control HAM in the end | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: there's basically only the 3 well known repositories to get any apps from | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: well, there's also http://store.ovi.com/ but I ignored that pretty much all the time since I got N900 | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since WTF needs >>Aliya's seductive photoshoot<<? | 02:08 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ok i understand now looking other usefull app | 02:15 |
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| Drathir | one thing wchich annoying me is startup noka sound | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 02:17 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you even get a cute "DONT PANIC" startup animation there | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no sound! ;-D | 02:18 |
| Drathir | but interesting why dont have option inside menu by default | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia wants to make sure their branding isn't too easy to remove | 02:19 |
| Drathir | my second 6230i have ^^ | 02:19 |
| Drathir | but yes proppably that is the reason | 02:20 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: interesting builid-in player can stream avi but cant mp4 and mp3... | 02:29 |
| * ShadowJK can stream mp3 | 02:32 | |
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| Drathir | ShadowJK: maybe was something broked i dont check after flashing... lets me see... | 02:39 |
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| ShadowJK | Alot of the stations in the default "Internet Radio" category are mp3 | 02:40 |
| Drathir | cant... maybe https:// is a reason... | 02:44 |
| Drathir | stream files from webserver i mean... | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FSCK U akonadi! | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kmail refuses to even start | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kde4 is utterly useless | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flakes rushed in and wrecked it | 02:52 |
| * kolp doesn't use it anymore for exactly that reason :( | 02:53 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno what's wrong with recent generation of coders. Too much videogame playing, too much windows in their youth? WHAT? The devels originalls designing KDE1 and KDE2 and even 3 did a pretty good job. Now we got this horse shit | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I got no working mail anymore | 02:59 |
| amospalla | I've tried twice to use it, but it scared me | 03:01 |
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| kolp | I kinda liked the idea of Akonadi back when it was suggested | 03:02 |
| kolp | But now... | 03:02 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 shouts FSCKIT and installs KDE3 | 03:09 | |
| * nox- sticks to goo ol mutt | 03:10 | |
| nox- | good | 03:10 |
| nox- | _that_ at least has never eaten mail for me | 03:10 |
| nox- | (and i can ssh to the box i run it on from the n900 too) | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eaten mail? HAH! this idiot pile of S* showed same mail 40 times, 39 times greyed out | 03:11 |
| nox- | haha | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what greyed out mail means or is worth for | 03:11 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: what about GNOME3? :) | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | noway | 03:12 |
| jon_y | or u-u-u-Unity? | 03:12 |
| jon_y | as for KDE vs Gnome, KDE is still the saner choice :) | 03:12 |
| nox- | https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ | 03:13 |
| jon_y | it used to be KDE4 vs Gnome 2 | 03:13 |
| jon_y | until Ubuntu came to the party | 03:13 |
| jon_y | nox-: themes can break on update, really sounds like java runtime problems | 03:15 |
| nox- | ubuntu also brought us x starting w/o cursor and w black background and ctrl-alt-backspace disabled... | 03:15 |
| nox- | jon_y, the bigger prob is the mindset `we need to disallow customizations...' | 03:17 |
| jon_y | I want my CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE back | 03:17 |
| nox- | Option "XkbOptions" "compose:rwin,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" | 03:18 |
| jon_y | I can't understand that no-customize mindset | 03:18 |
| * nox- neither | 03:18 | |
| jon_y | If I wanted iOS, I would use an iPhone | 03:19 |
| nox- | indeed | 03:19 |
| nox- | also http://xkcd.com/424/ | 03:20 |
| jon_y | lol Ubuntu | 03:21 |
| jon_y | nox-: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes <- sounds like a business grad got control of the engineering department | 03:26 |
| nox- | yeah maybe thats it... | 03:27 |
| jon_y | with all that micromanagement that you see from the daily WTF | 03:27 |
| jon_y | I'm not seeing why Gnome is controlling the backend GTK | 03:28 |
| jon_y | GTK is mostly used as a low level GUI toolkit | 03:28 |
| jon_y | if they want consistent, do another higer level library for gnome windowing and dialog styles | 03:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kde3-for-suse12.1 - kiss my ass goodbye, plasma, akonadi, whatnot else | 03:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: you didn't know about buntkuh? | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh | 03:41 |
| infobot | somebody said buntkuh was http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind | 03:41 |
| jon_y | what are those? | 03:41 |
| jon_y | Holstein... does it involve royalty? | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 03:42 |
| jon_y | no, just cows | 03:42 |
| wmarone | moooo | 03:42 |
| jon_y | afaik, Holstein is somwehere North in Germany | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 03:43 |
| jon_y | and possibly vo Holstein house of nobles | 03:43 |
| jon_y | *von Holstein | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and their checkered cows are one example of a buntkuh | 03:44 |
| jon_y | ? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buntkuh == checkered cow | 03:44 |
| jon_y | oh ok, I see | 03:44 |
| jon_y | some branding? :) | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kuh = cow, bunt = colored | 03:45 |
| jon_y | what language is that? | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, Uh BuntKu(h) | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | german | 03:46 |
| jon_y | "It is black and white due to artificial selection by the breeders." | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like canonical, right | 03:46 |
| jon_y | so that relates to Gnome and their artificial branding? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 03:47 |
| jon_y | ok | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I just wondered if you never before heard of that xkcd strip | 03:48 |
| jon_y | I don't really follow xkcd religiously, just occasionally | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since I invoke ~buntkuh every now and then | 03:48 |
| jon_y | nox-'s like sounds like Canonical/Ubuntu/Gnome3 is having an ego trip | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "just windows with a few custom themes" | 03:49 |
| jon_y | I had exactly one friend who liked the Ububtu Unity theme :) | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ubuntu always tried to be the cheaper windows rather than the better differnet OS | 03:50 |
| jon_y | I always found it funky when it won't allow multiple terminals | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if I want windows UX, I get me the original | 03:50 |
| jon_y | it would not have been annoying if the term emulator allowed tabs | 03:50 |
| jon_y | even Windows allow multiple cmd prompts | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when I decide to use linux, I don't want it to mimick windows | 03:51 |
| jon_y | good thing I have no preconception that it should work like Windows, since I run it in a headless VM most of the time | 03:52 |
| jon_y | SSH is the best invention of 20th century computing | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yay! total download size: 938MB. texlive:264MB | 03:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders whether to check out this tex thing eventually | 03:56 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, there it is: Kontakt-KDE3 | 04:14 |
| RST38h | MEANWHILE: Indian School Textbook Says Meat-Eaters Lie and Commit Sex Crimes | 04:24 |
| RST38h | Indeed, they do, all the time | 04:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I am reminded of: | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176777/Sickness-benefits-Quarter-claiming-sickness-benefits-criminal-record.html | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | which is an example of why many politicians need set on fire. | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, nearly a quarter of disabled people have a criminal record. | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | and indeed the able bodied have slightly more criminal records. | 04:33 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: All those offenders are meat eaters though, I am sure | 04:44 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: So Indians are still correct! =) | 04:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | our government has been spinning disabled benefit claimants as workshy scroungers, using the dosgiest of statistics to provide cover for upcoming 20% cuts. | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | quite odious. | 04:46 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Well, see, you can't feed them all because that will be socialism (and every politician hates that). You cannot kill them off because of the western liberal values. | 04:53 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: You cannot exile them to Australia for obvious reasons | 04:54 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: And there are no worthy enemies left to declare war on, I mean the ones that will not nuke you but will massacre sizable amounts of your able bodied males | 04:55 |
| RST38h | So, yeah, hard situation indeed. | 04:55 |
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| merlin1991 | https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/194 rofl | 06:40 |
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| MentalistTraceur | Open question to anyone who has an opinion on the matter: Out of the Forth compilers hForth, gForth, or pForth, which is better? Or are they all essentially just as good? | 07:56 |
| r00t|home | who the hell uses forth... | 07:57 |
| MentalistTraceur | Some people. And while you're entitled to suggest that my question is irrelevant because 'who the hell uses it', that doesn't help me with my question at all. | 08:00 |
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| Sc0rpius | wow Forth | 08:12 |
| Sc0rpius | I haven't heard about it in +30 years | 08:12 |
| Sc0rpius | I had a C64 with a forth compiler in the 80s | 08:12 |
| Sc0rpius | since I haven't code in Forth in +30 years, I can't help you | 08:13 |
| merlin1991 | hey Sc0rpius btw | 08:14 |
| merlin1991 | did you get anywhere with the email that foobared modest? | 08:14 |
| Sc0rpius | no.. Yappari have made me really busy lately :( | 08:15 |
| merlin1991 | yappari, hm care to refresh my mind? | 08:16 |
| Sc0rpius | it's a Whatsapp client for the N900 | 08:16 |
| merlin1991 | okay :) | 08:16 |
| merlin1991 | any luck? | 08:16 |
| Sc0rpius | not with modest | 08:16 |
| merlin1991 | they seem to change protocol quite often | 08:16 |
| merlin1991 | err with yappari ;) | 08:17 |
| Sc0rpius | they have changed it a couple of times but rithg now Yappari is working flawlessly | 08:17 |
| Sc0rpius | but it hasn't all the Whatsapp features implemented | 08:17 |
| merlin1991 | what's missing? | 08:20 |
| * merlin1991 never used what's app | 08:21 | |
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| devili | Is there anyway to use vkb wid easy debian?tp://webchat.freenode.net/ | 09:46 |
| devili | ??tp://webchat.freenode.net/ | 09:48 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: for instance, it's missing the connection to the whatsapp servers on a secondary port >:( | 09:59 |
| kerio | it's also missing a gtk interface | 09:59 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: huge lag on that response ;) | 09:59 |
| kerio | because qt sucks | 09:59 |
| kerio | and doesn't want to follow xkb | 09:59 |
| kerio | and i don't get my cool layout | 10:00 |
| merlin1991 | .. | 10:01 |
| kerio | no, seriously, qt even has the stupid hold-key-to-sym | 10:02 |
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| devili | is there anyway to use the vkb with esy debian??www.slideshare.net/jeanie_d_a/04-cache-memory | 10:58 |
| devili | dn follow d link... Midori sucks!!! | 10:58 |
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| freemangordon | someone with n8x0 ? | 11:06 |
| freemangordon | the question - is osso-systemui-tklock source open in diablo/chinook/etc? | 11:07 |
| Luke-Jr | if it is, it isn't on the device O.o | 11:13 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 11:14 |
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| freemangordon | Luke-Jr: is there tklock at all? | 11:15 |
| freemangordon | i.e. how is the screen locked? | 11:15 |
| Luke-Jr | mine isn't running | 11:15 |
| Luke-Jr | and when it is, it only runs Gentoo now | 11:15 |
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| kerio | tadzik: do you think the n900 is powerful enough to render mapnik tiles on the fly? | 12:06 |
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| kerio | NIN101: you haven't answered yesterday, i think | 12:38 |
| kerio | NIN101: why can't rescueOS ship the wifi firmware? | 12:38 |
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| vi___ | ~jrtools | 12:43 |
| infobot | somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 12:43 |
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| NIN101 | kerio: I did answer | 12:45 |
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| NIN101 | I do not ship the firmware because I wasn't sure what their licence state is and didn't want to get in trouble by nokia | 12:46 |
| NIN101 | it also adds bloat | 12:46 |
| Hurrian | NIN101, well, when Nokia goes potato side up, I guess we can start redistributing all the binaries. | 12:47 |
| jacekowski | Hurrian: that's unlikely to happen | 12:50 |
| jon_y | in a few yeas time, they will consist of an undead legal department to sit on their patents :) | 12:54 |
| jon_y | the long arm of the MS legal department | 12:54 |
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| tadzik | kerio: I've no eye deer, never heard of mapnik before | 12:57 |
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| tadzik | kerio: you think it may work better than Gtk while not being qt? ;) | 12:59 |
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| kerio | NIN101: the "bleeding edge" drivers are open i think | 13:07 |
| kerio | or are the drivers and the firmware two separate entities? | 13:07 |
| kerio | anyway, not having wifi would suck if you fuck up your rootfs | 13:07 |
| NIN101 | it has the kernel modules, just not the firmware | 13:08 |
| kerio | i see | 13:08 |
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| NIN101 | it even has a stupid script that gets the firmware from maemo root automatiically ( but for obvious reasons isn't run on boot) | 13:10 |
| kerio | NIN101: what's the firmware again? | 13:12 |
| kerio | what's the difference between -fw.bin and -nvs.bin? | 13:12 |
| kerio | oic, calibration data | 13:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not feel too scared about delivering those binaries | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: how about wgetting them from some other place? | 13:25 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ... | 13:25 |
| kerio | you're not going to care about wifi if you've got usb networking working | 13:25 |
| NIN101 | DocScrutinizer05: such as? | 13:27 |
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| kerio | NIN101: TI, possibly | 13:27 |
| kerio | or nokia | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'd probably not post the URL here in a logged channel | 13:27 |
| kerio | wl1251-firmware*.deb from downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 13:28 |
| kerio | my previous point still stands | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it might start with maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo/hidden | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure jacekowski has even less problems | 13:29 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/wl1251-fw.bin is a 404 :( | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY? | 13:30 |
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| Skry | iirc that firmware is redistributable if you ship it with it's licence | 13:30 |
| Venemo | hey | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: and thanks to you it will remain like that | 13:31 |
| Venemo | what is the best way to sync google contacts to fremantle? does MfE work like on Harmattan? | 13:31 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh | 13:31 |
| kerio | Venemo: BT syncml | 13:31 |
| Venemo | kerio, hmm? | 13:32 |
| kerio | oh, google contacts | 13:32 |
| kerio | hm | 13:32 |
| kerio | MfE usually doesn't work | 13:32 |
| kerio | for some reason | 13:32 |
| Venemo | that is weird | 13:33 |
| Venemo | I recall having used it with my hotmail account back then. | 13:33 |
| kerio | no, i mean that it doesn't work with google | 13:35 |
| Venemo | ah | 13:35 |
| Venemo | hm | 13:35 |
| vi___ | I am pretty sure you can use mfe to sync contacts with google on th n900. | 13:37 |
| vi___ | You can sync multiple google calanders for sure. | 13:38 |
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| Venemo | okay | 13:46 |
| Venemo | I'll try | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: please never do that again! | 13:46 |
| kerio | k | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: btw if you're already that good, you might as well have a look at your N900 and watch the FQN there | 13:55 |
| kerio | oooooooooooooh | 13:55 |
| kerio | got it | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now DON'T post it again here! | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or elsewhere | 13:56 |
| vi___ | ~FQN | 13:59 |
| jon_y | fully qualified name? | 14:00 |
| jon_y | oh hai iscsi fqn target | 14:00 |
| Venemo | lol lol | 14:00 |
| jon_y | that reminds me, iscsi client on the n900 would be pretty cool | 14:00 |
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| Hurrian | jon_y, that's just insane enough to work | 14:03 |
| Hurrian | although, have fun with iSCSI over 802.11G | 14:03 |
| jon_y | does kp have the modules already? | 14:03 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: really though, if you've got access to the internet it means that you're using usb networking | 14:04 |
| kerio | at that point, you don't need wifi at all | 14:04 |
| jon_y | maybe a remote way to access my data at home | 14:04 |
| jon_y | bounced via ssh | 14:04 |
| jon_y | actually I'm not sure about the ssh bit | 14:04 |
| jon_y | iscsi doesn't do tcp | 14:04 |
| kerio | hahahahah iSCSI over internet | 14:05 |
| jon_y | must vpn | 14:05 |
| kerio | hahahahahahahahahahahahah | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I got access to internet on my PC and I'm not using USB networking on my N900 | 14:05 |
| jon_y | sshfs seems to be simpler | 14:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: since setting up USB networking is a PITA - on PC side | 14:05 |
| jon_y | on the PC side, you should configure it to forward and route IP | 14:06 |
| jon_y | on Linux it's a matter of touching one of the /proc files | 14:06 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: then how would you wget something from within rescueOS? | 14:06 |
| jon_y | and maybe some iptables | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: via wifi? | 14:06 |
| jon_y | windows doesn't like to do forwarding unless you use the server editions | 14:07 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: not without the firmware you still have to wget from the internet :) | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as mentioned before I also had to wget rescueOS from the internet | 14:07 |
| kerio | oh | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm doing that on my PC | 14:07 |
| kerio | i see what you mean | 14:07 |
| * kerio has rescueos on eMMC | 14:07 | |
| kerio | http://i.imgur.com/9NWyQ.gif | 14:08 |
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| LaoLang_cool | I notice there is no active on http://maemo.org/packages/, seems no any package has update | 14:31 |
| LaoLang_cool | what's wrong? | 14:31 |
| kerio | i bet the autobuilder is on the fritz again | 14:37 |
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| vi___ | I wish backupmenu had some feature for setting the time&date. | 14:40 |
| kerio | vi___: the shell, maybe | 14:41 |
| kerio | there's no way to disable fbcon though | 14:41 |
| vi___ | kerio: exactly. | 14:41 |
| kerio | \_o_/ | 14:41 |
| kerio | just reboot | 14:41 |
| vi___ | unless backupmenu was ncurses. | 14:41 |
| kerio | i mean, set the date, hwclock -w, reboot | 14:41 |
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| vi___ | kerio: goood idea | 14:42 |
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| vi___ | I really should not have written 'man date' into google. | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hwclock --noadjfile --systohc | 14:43 |
| kerio | vi___: haha | 14:44 |
| kerio | hmm, there's a libicd-network-usb package apparently | 14:44 |
| kerio | why didn't i know about it | 14:44 |
| kerio | meh, ICD sucks anyway | 14:49 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how do g_file_storage and g_nokia make the popup to choose the mode appear? | 14:49 |
| kerio | would g_ether also do that? | 14:49 |
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| vi___ | kerio: look in /sbin/ | 15:00 |
| vi___ | You will find all the scripts for mass storage mode/pc suite mode and popup menu etc. | 15:00 |
| vi___ | how come tracker is not ionice into oblivion? | 15:00 |
| kerio | vi___: who calls them? | 15:00 |
| vi___ | ionice -c3 $(pidoff tracker) | 15:01 |
| vi___ | kerio: not sure. | 15:02 |
| vi___ | something triggered by the hal event generated by usb plug/unplug. | 15:02 |
| kerio | vi___: it doesn't happen with no g_ modules loaded, though | 15:02 |
| vi___ | kerio: oh, ok. I di dnot know that. | 15:03 |
| vi___ | kerio: What are you trying to do? | 15:03 |
| kerio | i dunno lol | 15:04 |
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| kerio | anyway, g_ether also makes the popup appear, sadly :( | 15:05 |
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| vi___ | I will bet you can roll the emmc image into the same bin as the rootfs image. | 15:11 |
| vi___ | Just think, you would only need to flash 1 file. | 15:11 |
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| kerio | vi___: i'm not so sure of that | 15:17 |
| kerio | rootfs and emmc are flashed with two different protocols | 15:17 |
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| jacekowski | iirc combined is first downloaded to RAM and then flashed | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (Ot: akonadi, kde4) incredible, even with Kontact-kde3 (==kmail1.9.xx) the 'import' function uses friggin akonadi-agent-launcher. Running since 10h now to import my old mails, raping my CPU into a fried chicken, and RAM usage: 8GB + 4GB swap | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn akonadi MUST be an idea of lennart | 16:06 |
| Corsac | aha | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Corsac: to find a lame excuse, I could explain that it's the reason why I still can't process my council related mail | 16:08 |
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| Corsac | :) | 16:12 |
| Corsac | just don't use kde? | 16:12 |
| jon_y | ~lennart | 16:15 |
| infobot | Lennart is ~Poettering | 16:15 |
| jon_y | ~Poettering | 16:15 |
| infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' | 16:15 |
| jon_y | :) | 16:15 |
| Venemo | lol | 16:18 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Hi, a question: how to set time from cli? | 16:21 |
| NIN101 | use "date" | 16:21 |
| NIN101 | and maybe take a look at "hwclock" | 16:22 |
| LaoLang_cool | NIN101, an example please? how to set system clock to 2012-11-17 22:25? | 16:24 |
| LaoLang_cool | I don't know how to specify the date time after `date -s` | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Corsac: sounds like "just don't use email" | 16:25 |
| jon_y | LaoLang_cool: google man date | 16:25 |
| NIN101 | date -s "2012-11-17 22:25" | 16:25 |
| RST38h | Doc: Akonadi looks like a typical KDE framework | 16:25 |
| NIN101 | and yes, google man date | 16:26 |
| jon_y | date format as well | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: see my original rant | 16:26 |
| LaoLang_cool | -s, --set=STRING | 16:26 |
| jon_y | in case you didn't like your default format string | 16:26 |
| LaoLang_cool | I don't know what 'STRING' mean here :( | 16:26 |
| NIN101 | <NIN101> date -s "2012-11-17 22:25" | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hoped to get rid of it by downgrading to kde3 which evidently didn't use akonadi yet | 16:26 |
| LaoLang_cool | NIN101, it says: date: invalid date '2012-11-17 22:25' :( | 16:27 |
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| NIN101 | worked on my system | 16:28 |
| NIN101 | maybe N900's busybox date is differnet | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: now I'm importing my mails to kmail1.9 (supposed to not use akonadi) and it's still annoying akonadi-launcher-daemon and an amazing rate of ~1.5 mails/s | 16:28 |
| LaoLang_cool | NIN101, oh... | 16:28 |
| LaoLang_cool | I use the stock busybox | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: with a CPU load of ~100% on a dual core 2.3GHz system | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly you probably could brute force encrypted mails at that rate | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | akonadi devels deserve to get shot | 16:30 |
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| RST38h | Doc: typical for KDE | 16:30 |
| LaoLang_cool | HELP... | 16:31 |
| RST38h | Doc: looks like you have never seen aRts for example ;) | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know aRts and I nuked it on all my KDE installs so far | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's almost as braindead as PA | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and phonon | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you had the option to use a plain clean "aplay" insted of aRts | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with phonon, no options whatsoever | 16:33 |
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| * RST38h wants his /dev/dsp back | 16:35 | |
| RST38h | and all these megalomaniacs with their frameworks out | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm happy with ALSA | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as there's a option to get rid of PA/phonon/aRts/whatever nonsense | 16:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this KDE4 however, well it's FUBAR | 16:37 |
| RST38h | Have you looked inside ALSA? | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | literally | 16:37 |
| RST38h | Please, do, but remember to eat well in advance | 16:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: I already suggested patches to ALSA, not accepted since "that's not a bug, that's a design feature" | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so yes, I already looked into ALSA | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't love ALSA, I pretty much hate it. But it's still several magnitudes better than any alternative | 16:39 |
| jon_y | Pulse Audio! :) | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | puke audio | 16:39 |
| jon_y | yeah, lots of screaming over that one | 16:39 |
| jon_y | ESD? | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omg | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I _do_ _not_ _need_ any soundserver | 16:40 |
| RST38h | But it is so cute! | 16:40 |
| jon_y | btw, on Linux audio, there is only 1 sink at a time? | 16:40 |
| RST38h | And it mixes in userspace! | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a pretty much obsolete concept | 16:41 |
| LaoLang_cool | time to sleep, good bye guys, see you! | 16:41 |
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| jon_y | Windows has userspace mixers, but it lags like shit if you have crap hardware | 16:41 |
| RST38h | jon_y: You should be able to open /dev/dsp as many times as you have got sinks | 16:41 |
| jon_y | kernel mixers are lag free, but only 1 audio playing at a given time | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then where's the mixing in that? | 16:42 |
| jon_y | yeah, it shouldn't be called a mixer | 16:42 |
| Venemo | as long as it works without requiring me to mess around with it, I'm pretty fine with any sound server or whatever. | 16:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how we got to audio again? | 16:43 | |
| jon_y | idk, you were talking about ALSA :) | 16:43 |
| RST38h | Doc: poettering -> frameworks -> megalomaniacs -> audio | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's been dicussed ad nauseum | 16:44 |
| RST38h | Doc: ALways proceeds this way, if you have not noticed | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-17 15:31:15] <RST38h> Doc: looks like you have never seen aRts for example ;) | 16:44 |
| RST38h | Doc: Notice how we still have not got to "designer languages" and version control systems | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems it's you who always proceeds this way | 16:45 |
| jon_y | "designer languages" <- ? | 16:45 |
| RST38h | Doc: that too | 16:45 |
| RST38h | jon_y: Python, Ruby, PHP, Perl, etc | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't think i'd not notice or couldn't handle your trolling me | 16:45 |
| jon_y | RST38h: what so designer about them? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just bored so did you the favour | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Doc: You have been out of shape after beingdepressed by KDE4 | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Doc: So it is understandable | 16:46 |
| RST38h | jon_y: Authors created their languages on a whim, non of the authors had decent computer science education on the topic | 16:47 |
| jon_y | Perl is pretty good, at least when I tried it | 16:47 |
| jon_y | learning curve is in the syntax | 16:48 |
| RST38h | Perl is the only one created by an actual linguist | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | perl is what raped my CPU last time, by `perl -foo spamssassin` - prolly not perl's fault though | 16:48 |
| RST38h | Hence is its syntax | 16:48 |
| jon_y | once you get the basics, it very much flows easily | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | linguist? WTF! | 16:49 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Well, perl is perfectly capable of cpu rape, but at least it has got SOME use | 16:49 |
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| jon_y | felt that way when I learned perl | 16:49 |
| jon_y | I can perfectly rape the cpu with C while(1){} :) | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like "learn esperanto, it's a clean language" to me | 16:50 |
| RST38h | While in graduate school at UC Berkeley, Wall and his wife were studying linguistics with the intention afterwards of finding an unwritten language, perhaps in Africa, and creating a writing system for it. | 16:50 |
| Ken-Young | The *best* thing about python is it's slowly killing perl. | 16:50 |
| RST38h | jon_y: You can't, most system schedulers will not agree with you | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in my book, linguists have NFC about programming | 16:50 |
| jon_y | hopefully it is easy to write python extensions in C | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither about control or data structures | 16:50 |
| RST38h | Ken: Unlike Perl, Python does not appear to have much point | 16:50 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Wall also worked as a programmer at Unisys | 16:51 |
| RST38h | Doc: And he has got..mmm... rather eclectic education | 16:51 |
| jon_y | about python, OMG the tabs | 16:52 |
| jon_y | well, I haven't really used it, so I can't say much | 16:52 |
| RST38h | jon_y: Forget the tabs. Look at how they do OOP | 16:52 |
| Ken-Young | jon_y, You can use spaces! | 16:52 |
| jon_y | for quick and dirty, I still stick with perl | 16:52 |
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| jon_y | I did want to learn python, but haven't gotten into it | 16:53 |
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| Venemo | perl is pretty much a write-only language imo | 17:02 |
| kerio | jon_y: if you use tabs in a python file, unless you're doing so because you joined a project that used tabs for indentation, i will hunt you down and brutally murder you | 17:02 |
| kerio | ok, maybe not | 17:03 |
| kerio | but still, don't use tabs, use spaces | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Depends on how you write it | 17:03 |
| Venemo | I don't | 17:03 |
| Venemo | at all | 17:03 |
| kerio | Venemo: +1 | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Venemo: But yes, Perl makes it easy to write unreadable code | 17:03 |
| kerio | jon_y: python's object model is fucking awesome | 17:03 |
| RST38h | kerio <- pervert | 17:04 |
| kerio | RST38h: ? | 17:04 |
| RST38h | about as awesome as a frog model where you have to pull strings to make the frog move | 17:04 |
| kerio | huh? | 17:04 |
| kerio | what's your problem with python's object model? | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 17:05 |
| kerio | i mean, if you're used to perl your problem is probably the fact that *there are objects* | 17:06 |
| RST38h | no | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kmailCVT memory usage: 4,621,700k | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | akonadi_agent_launcher CPU time, user: 10,620s, sys: 2,046s | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kmailcvt CPU user: 19,253.7s | 17:13 |
| jon_y | kerio: agreed, I use spaces | 17:13 |
| kolp | DocScrutinizer05: Why not use IMAP? | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why not eat a banana? | 17:14 |
| jon_y | eeww IMAP | 17:15 |
| kolp | No need to import mail into kmail directly | 17:15 |
| jon_y | pop3 is the only valid option | 17:15 |
| jon_y | :) | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | none of those is an option to move mails from one directory on my local PC to another | 17:15 |
| RST38h | Doc: wow, it must be working on somethign really serious! | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: importing some 200k mails | 17:16 |
| RST38h | Doc: Actually, he has got an interesting idea - run a local IMAP server :) | 17:16 |
| RST38h | Never import! | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from one dir to another, basically | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: rrrrrrright, couldn't be more slow | 17:17 |
| * RST38h uses PINE, with emails stored as plain unindexed files | 17:18 | |
| RST38h | Surprisingly usable even with huge folders | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's literally importing ~1.5 mails/s from backup/oldPC/.kde/applications/kmail to some kmail folder | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the mails are average 30k size | 17:19 |
| Venemo | lol | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's raping my dual core CPU for this, since >10h now | 17:20 |
| RST38h | Do you have an exit strategy by the way? | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, killall | 17:20 |
| RST38h | i.e. how are you going to get those emails OUT OF AKONADI? | 17:20 |
| RST38h | Once the next maniac replaces it with something even more elaborate? | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm still puzzled how akonadi comes in for kmail1.9 | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm hoping once they are imported to kmail1.9, I'll never again see akonadi anywhere | 17:21 |
| Venemo | what is akonadi anyway? | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | crap | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's stuff like akonadi-daemon-pop3, *-imap etc | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some "brilliant" idea for a backend framework once again | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's pretty useful to make your mail client spawn ~150 processes | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all of them talking to each other via dbus, aiui | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | friggin retarded concept | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I'm afraid the kde3-kmail, on "import", invoked the kde4-kmailcvt, and all those imported mails will not end up in kmail1.9 but in kde4-kmail2 | 17:28 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: mail agent dont fetch mails in background? maybe that the reason high load? | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: it's an import, from a local directory | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | into a virgin kmail1.9 (no accounts set up) | 17:34 |
| Drathir | interesting whem ported thunderbird to arm... | 17:35 |
| Drathir | when* | 17:35 |
| Drathir | builit-in nokia for now must be enough... | 17:36 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why weren't you using a client with support for unix maildirs? | 18:24 |
| kerio | or mbox, if you're worried about fragmentation | 18:24 |
| * ShadowJK uses kmail with Maildirs | 18:26 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: >:-(( | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what do you think I tried to import? | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw if you're interested: kmailcvt finished importing, but started raping CPU even worse, and ate ~3MB RAM / 10s. Had to kill it >:-( | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like I expected: not a single friggin mail got 'imported' to kmail1.9 | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now for locating a few GB of file rubbish the action of last 12h left on my HDD | 18:34 |
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| RiD | my n900's motherboard is now on someone's unknown hands | 18:36 |
| kerio | yay | 18:36 |
| RiD | ... he instantly recognized it was from a n900, so I'm confident he's going to do it all pretty well | 18:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 expects to find a gorgeous 10GB mysql db file somewhere | 18:36 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hold on, you have your mail in a mbox? | 18:36 |
| kerio | (or a maildir) | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maildir | 18:37 |
| kerio | keep it there! | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GRRRRR | 18:37 |
| kerio | no srsly | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I haven't planned to rm them | 18:38 |
| kerio | i meant | 18:38 |
| kerio | use a client that supports them | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DAFAQ kmail is supposed to do exactly that | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least kmail1.9 | 18:39 |
| kerio | well something has clearly gone wrong | 18:39 |
| kerio | you don't want to import it, just use it | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY | 18:39 |
| kerio | YARLY | 18:39 |
| RiD | http://files.myopera.com/Sk8r644/albums/510337/Ya%20Rly.jpg | 18:40 |
| RiD | i like owls face | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict import | 18:41 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'import' (1 of 13): an imported person brought from a foreign country; "the lead role was played by an import from Sweden"; "they are descendants of indentured importees" . | 18:41 |
| kerio | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1295318 OH LAWDS | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | could we nuke that BS off tmo, please? | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for all I know that .zip could be a virus or whatever | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^ | 18:43 |
| kerio | nah bro its totally legit my net accelerated 100% | 18:43 |
| kerio | and yes, there's a .scr inside | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yo sure | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: !!!!! | 18:44 |
| kerio | to be completely honest, anyone falling for that probably deserves it | 18:44 |
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| kerio | idea for the next forum: if enough people with high karma report something, it gets temporarily blocked | 18:45 |
| kerio | automatically | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: brilliant idea, no kidding. Make a post-it note so you don't forget about it | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: !!!!! | 18:47 |
| vi___ | what is this brilliant idea? | 18:50 |
| vi___ | ~seen stkeeps | 18:50 |
| infobot | vi___: i haven't seen 'stkeeps' | 18:51 |
| vi___ | ? | 18:51 |
| vi___ | ~seen st-keeps | 18:51 |
| infobot | vi___: i haven't seen 'st-keeps' | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen stskeeps | 18:56 |
| infobot | stskeeps is currently on #meego (1d 7h 22m 27s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1d 3h 47m 27s, last said: 'check "publish" flag'. | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (([2012-11-17 17:50:50] <vi___> what is this brilliant idea?)) see 4 lines above your question, 2 lines above my comment | 18:57 |
| kerio | vi___: automatic blocking of posts when they get reported by a certain total karma | 19:05 |
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| vi___ | kerio: interesting. | 19:08 |
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| vi___ | So if all us high and mightys gang up we can effectivly 'silence' somone? | 19:08 |
| kerio | temporarily | 19:10 |
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| kerio | with ripercussions if abused | 19:11 |
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| Lava_Croft | Sounds like something that would not turn out bad at all, given human nature | 19:35 |
| RzR | http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/11/14/business/14reuters-texasinstruments-jobcuts.html | 19:35 |
| Lava_Croft | right? | 19:35 |
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| vi___ | how do I create an empty ext3 disk image? | 19:37 |
| SpeedEvil | did, mke2fs | 19:37 |
| SpeedEvil | dd | 19:37 |
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| kerio | dd of=image count=0 seek=8G && mkfs.ext3 image | 19:47 |
| kerio | er, whoops | 19:48 |
| kerio | dd of=image count=0 bs=1 seek=8g | 19:48 |
| kerio | otherwise it's going to make a 4096GiB image | 19:50 |
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| vi___ | I have an image file here, how do I determine wtf it is? | 20:02 |
| vi___ | WTF is there no documentation or man page for fiasco-gen? | 20:03 |
| vi___ | FFS | 20:03 |
| vi___ | HOW THE F are you supposed to use this fucking piece of fucking shit? | 20:04 |
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| kerio | you're not | 20:06 |
| kerio | also, "file" | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: fiasco-gen --help ;-P | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: ask aunt google | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what makes me wonder is: ARMEL: unsatisfied dependency: libusb | 20:17 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: --help is as much use as a toffee onion. | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh, why? | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Usage: fiasco-gen [OPTIONS] | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Options: | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seriously though, MohammadAG managed to figure how to use it, so I guess there's some way to google or guess how it works | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: how's missiles? | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: friggin idiots everywhere, no? | 20:20 |
| Lava_Croft | 'friggin' idiots' is a good term to describe the people fueling the fire on both sides | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the most odd thing: meanwhile I'd believe of each side to shoot their *own* people, pretending it's been the enemy, so to get a justification to fire 'back' | 20:24 |
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| vi___ | well what is the differance between MMC image and RAW MMC image? | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a diff somewhere? | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | vi___: header? | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | with geometry description? | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, without context the question is void | 20:30 |
| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: The wounds of those people have run so deep for so long that it's basically impossible to wrap your head around it | 20:30 |
| kerio | which sides? | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IL vs hamas | 20:31 |
| kerio | oic | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: if you refer to fiasco-gen, the difference is in "append" rather than "raw", I'd guess | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -m, --mmc=ARG Location of MMC image | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | --mmc-append=ARG MMC raw image to append | 20:33 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: I dunno, stop aggressively expanding and maybe your neighbours will be a little less agro. | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: if it's about my opinion, i'd lock them into a bunker, all of them, in one* bunker, for 4 weeks at least. With 2000 baseball bats | 20:35 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: That works for me. | 20:36 |
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| Lava_Croft | why lock those arabs there | 20:36 |
| Lava_Croft | i mean, israel was just put there after ww2 | 20:36 |
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| kerio | israel has a lot more rights to be there than palestine, imo | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if nothing else, then for Landshut | 20:37 |
| kerio | they've got more money and better tech | 20:37 |
| kerio | occupying like this is BS, though | 20:37 |
| kerio | they should've declared a proper war | 20:37 |
| kerio | we've got proper ways of doing that | 20:37 |
| vi___ | kerio> israel has a lot more rights to be there than palestine, imo | 20:38 |
| vi___ | are you shitting me? | 20:38 |
| kerio | vi___: being there first is of no use if the other side has more money and better tech | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi___: he just entered trolling mode, didn't you realize? | 20:38 |
| vi___ | ...they were there first. | 20:38 |
| kerio | yep, and israel is stronger | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe sarcasm mode | 20:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a lil' bit of both | 20:39 |
| Lava_Croft | thankgod im a white western guy and my kind of people have absolutely nothing to do with the current cesspool that is the middle east | 20:39 |
| * Lava_Croft whistles the tune of innocence | 20:39 | |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: indeed! | 20:39 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: or the countless invasion over the millennia | 20:39 |
| kerio | *invasions | 20:39 |
| vi___ | Lava_Croft: uk? | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah sure. (leaving out the ambivalent role of decisions of western superforces after WW2) | 20:40 |
| Lava_Croft | the short-term memory failure of the white man is very, very grave | 20:40 |
| Lava_Croft | vi___: NL | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (also omitting the massive support by USA, the nuklear proliferation by French frogs, the submarines delivered by Germany to transport those nukes everywhere) | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh! politics | 20:44 |
| vi___ | goddamnit, I cannot even use the original firmware to generate a new fiasco image. | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask MohammadAG | 20:44 |
| vi___ | After I have extracted the fat32 image from emmc image, how do I tell if it is a raw image? | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or robbiethe1st | 20:45 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: robbie only ever succeeded in making a rootfs image. | 20:45 |
| vi___ | He did not roll it into a flashable .bin | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought there's been a fiasco img with BM somewhere | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flashable | 20:46 |
| vi___ | a rootfs image, not rolled into a .bin container. | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the use of such 'image', what's even the meaning of 'image' here? | 20:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, what makes you think there are other mmc images than of type 'raw'? | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably also might ask Pali, he might know a bit about fiasco.bin structure and fiasco-gen, due to his RE of flasher | 20:54 |
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| Wizzup__ | So I' | 21:10 |
| Wizzup__ | ... that went well | 21:10 |
| Wizzup__ | So I | 21:10 |
| Wizzup__ | ... | 21:10 |
| Wizzup__ | So I'm having a problem with this bluetooth keyboard... :-) | 21:10 |
| Wizzup__ | I can pair with it initially, using 6-digit PIN (must be 6) | 21:10 |
| Wizzup__ | And then it will work, until I turn it off. When I turn the keyboard on again, it will automatically try to reconnect (my n900 asks me if I want to connect to it) | 21:11 |
| Wizzup__ | And then apparently it is connected, but the n900 no longer picks up key input from it | 21:11 |
| Wizzup__ | (It does this the first time) | 21:11 |
| kerio | Wizzup__: are you using extkbd? | 21:11 |
| kerio | is it a HID keyboard? | 21:12 |
| Wizzup__ | I think I am using extkdb, I have an External Keyboard settings menu (in Settings), and I think it is HID, yes | 21:12 |
| Wizzup__ | Supported profiles: HID, Device type: Keyboard | 21:13 |
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| kerio | so you have to repair it again to make it work? | 21:14 |
| kerio | usual: have you tried restarting bluetoothd and/or rebooting? | 21:14 |
| Wizzup__ | kerio: ``repair'' in the sense that I delete the device from bt devices, then pair again | 21:15 |
| Wizzup__ | (apart from this it works really well, even volume keys work, lol:) | 21:15 |
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| Wizzup__ | kerio: Hm, rebooting the phone? | 21:15 |
| Wizzup__ | Note that there is actual crash, and the devices are ``connected'', just no keys are being sent | 21:16 |
| Wizzup__ | The keyboard automagically connects to the phone again, and I can press yes to accept the connection | 21:16 |
| Wizzup__ | er | 21:16 |
| Wizzup__ | note that there is _no_ actual crash**** | 21:16 |
| kerio | also, do you have another bluetooth device that supports keyboards? | 21:16 |
| kerio | *device with bluetooth | 21:16 |
| kerio | freemangordon: *poke* | 21:18 |
| Wizzup__ | kerio: possibly, yes. I can try my laptop but I don't think I really did BT with it | 21:19 |
| kerio | Wizzup__: this is so we can rule out any quirkyness of your keyboard | 21:19 |
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| Wizzup__ | btw, I think it is this one (I was surprised it worked at all) http://rapoo.com/showdetails.aspx?P_No=E6300 | 21:22 |
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| kerio | why shouldn't it work? it's a bluetooth HID keyboard | 21:24 |
| kerio | they should Just Work™ | 21:24 |
| Wizzup__ | kerio: Well, I guess. But initially it took me a _long_ time to figure out it had to be a 6 digit PIN | 21:25 |
| Wizzup__ | Instead of the (default, afaik) 4 digit pin | 21:25 |
| kerio | that's a weird thing... it shouldn't be | 21:25 |
| Wizzup__ | I just think there's something not being activated on the n900 on reconnect | 21:26 |
| kerio | i can pair my keyboard with a 1-digit pin | 21:26 |
| Wizzup__ | Since it is the KB that is reinitiating the connection rather than the phone, maybe? | 21:26 |
| kerio | also, what's opening the connection? the keyboard or the n900? | 21:26 |
| kerio | heh | 21:26 |
| kerio | try connecting from the n900 | 21:26 |
| Wizzup__ | OK, but the keyboard tries to connect hehe | 21:28 |
| Wizzup__ | Maybe I can make the n900 ``hidden'' | 21:28 |
| Wizzup__ | kerio: connecting from the phone gives me ``Connection failed to <DEVICE>'' | 21:29 |
| kerio | weird | 21:30 |
| kerio | Wizzup__: enter the "pairing mode" on the keyboard and connect again | 21:30 |
| kerio | maybe the keyboard just forgets it's paired | 21:30 |
| Wizzup__ | Are there some debugging tools? | 21:31 |
| Wizzup__ | dmesg doesn't show anything | 21:31 |
| Wizzup__ | I'd like to know that the n900 state is | 21:31 |
| Wizzup__ | It says ``connected'' | 21:31 |
| kerio | install sysklogd and klogd, add "-d" to the bluetoothd command line in /etc/event.d/bluetoothd, stop and start bluetoothd | 21:31 |
| Wizzup__ | That sounds good, I will do this in a bitr | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | my headset never makes N900 ask me if I want to connect when I power it up, it simply is connected as soon as I do | 21:36 |
| kerio | mine too, i set it as "authorized" or whatever | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:37 |
| kerio | to be fair that's kind of a stupid thing | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the 'trick' | 21:38 |
| kerio | anything can connect to your n900 by spoofing the BT MAC | 21:38 |
| Wizzup__ | DocScrutinizer05: @ ask, I set it to not be ``trusted'' so I saw what was happenning. | 21:38 |
| Wizzup__ | (so I can press yes/no to accept conns) | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | @ ask ?? | 21:38 |
| Wizzup__ | 20:36 < DocScrutinizer05> my headset never makes N900 ask me if I want to connect when I power it up, it simply is connected as soon as I do | 21:38 |
| Wizzup__ | > ask | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 21:38 |
| Wizzup__ | kerio: also, it seems that pressing ``no'' on the dialog still connects :) hehe | 21:39 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: you want that stuff implemented you have to talk to reggie, otoh uploading or sharing zips... ppl still falling for that joke? | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: nfc | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, nuke the thread please | 21:40 |
| chem|st | oh sry over the time I forgot we deal with dumb users still | 21:40 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: the thread seems nuked to me... following the link ended up in "no post here, admin might removed it" | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, user me.mr posts:1 thanks:0 no text in post and just a zip attachment. Still it's working sometimes | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, already vanished | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't be more than 30min ago | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=65668 seems not banned though | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, he is | 21:43 |
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| chem|st | btw there is a reason why there is the "Report This" link on every post! and no it is not just to make you feel save reading it... for starters... move your pointer over it (exactly! use your mouse to do that!) and click it... magix will happen if you complete the quest comming up and you might get candy for it some day | 21:44 |
| Wizzup__ | kerio: can I also just start bluetoothd with the flag? | 21:45 |
| Wizzup__ | (so I don't need klogd etc) | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where's my candy? ;-P | 21:45 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: you had enough already! | 21:45 |
| kerio | Wizzup__: the log is in syslog | 21:46 |
| kerio | iirc | 21:46 |
| chem|st | maybe we should get some more people moderating that shithole! | 21:46 |
| kerio | ask luf, he'll know better | 21:46 |
| Wizzup__ | kerio: I see, running it standalone in debug mode certainly doesn't work | 21:47 |
| Wizzup__ | (it prints nothing extra) | 21:47 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: i got back my N900 with a fixed usb port by Nokia care | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: INCREDIBLE | 21:48 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: was charged only £30 which wasnt bad | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds fair | 21:49 |
| kerio | neat | 21:49 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: in the mean time i bought a Note 2 too :) | 21:49 |
| kerio | trumee: >:C | 21:50 |
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| trumee | and Csipsimple on android is very very nice. | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nananaaahna I don't hear you (putting fingers into ears) | 21:50 |
| trumee | very nice zrtp/srtp support and flawless sip calls | 21:50 |
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| trumee | although there is nothing as nice as xchat on android, and biggest feature i miss is scp/sftp support so i cant use kde to drop files over using fish | 21:53 |
| fil | has anyone compiled git-annex for Maemo? (and if not, how about haskel?) ((and if not, what's the simplest way to run git-annex on an n900?)) | 21:53 |
| Drathir | hi | 21:56 |
| Drathir | somthing interesting happen when not be here? | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog ;-) | 21:57 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks other way have session in screen but what i see yoy all guys writa a lot of msg... | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: we should, first of all, get a statement from reggie about his plans when Nokia ramps down sponsoring | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: would you, as a moderator, have a direct line to ask him if he's willing to continue hosting tmo? | 22:00 |
| Drathir | but nices log colorfull ^^ | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ...since nobody is interested in changing things, if they can stay as they are | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: if he needs other funding to continue tmo after Nokia hits the road, we should talk about that | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be surprised to learn he's not interested in tmo anymore, when Nokia stops funding. Money is money, you either get the amount you need or not. | 22:03 |
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| Wizzup__ | kerio: it seems that when I start pair (not paired yet), state is: handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER ; then, when paired, state is: handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER AUTH ENCRYPT ; then, when I turn off, wait a bit, and turn on, accept conn | 22:05 |
| Wizzup__ | state is: handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER | 22:05 |
| kerio | freemangordon: you know about BT keyboards, right? | 22:05 |
| Wizzup__ | kerio: fiddling around a bit with hcitool (hcitool auth <addr>) and hcitool enc <addr>) made it work | 22:09 |
| Wizzup__ | somehow | 22:10 |
| kerio | Wizzup__: i wonder why that isn't enabled by default | 22:10 |
| Wizzup__ | It is when the pin thing is done | 22:10 |
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| kerio | try figuring out a way to automatically enable those for a certain device | 22:11 |
| Wizzup__ | maybe udev + script? | 22:13 |
| kerio | nah, there's gotta be something in the bluez config | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I think you should pair as trusted device, and it should 'just work' | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | non-trusted devices may not reconnect aiui | 22:18 |
| Wizzup__ | DocScrutinizer05: I did pair it as a trusted device now | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe it's worth deleting the BT device (unpair), and do the whole pairing from scratch again | 22:19 |
| Wizzup__ | DocScrutinizer05: that is the only way to get it work in the first place. | 22:20 |
| Wizzup__ | (every time) | 22:20 |
| Wizzup__ | That's the issue. | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 22:20 |
| Wizzup__ | Please tell me what the issue is | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you said the kbd triggers a requester on you N900. that's not supposed to happen when both devices never heard of each other | 22:21 |
| Wizzup__ | DocScrutinizer05: that was before I re-paired, and I also gave the motivation behind this move | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you think the motivation changes something in the way the CPU executes the program? | 22:22 |
| Wizzup__ | You need to-read what I said or stop mocking me | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | got better things to do than "to mock you" | 22:23 |
| Wizzup__ | Well, making fun of me even though I already tried the exact steps you suggested (as you can see by what I read) is something I see as mocking | 22:23 |
| Wizzup__ | s/read/wrote/ | 22:24 |
| infobot | Wizzup__ meant: Well, making fun of me even though I alwrotey tried the exact steps you suggested (as you can see by what I read) is something I see as mocking | 22:24 |
| Wizzup__ | infobot: I'll append a 2 next time | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | YAY https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_IRC_cloak_list | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>This page was last modified on 2 March 2011, at 15:18<< | 22:47 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: can i get a cloak? | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo/community/kerio, why not | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 22:55 |
| kerio | :3 | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo/community/contributor//kerio, | 22:56 |
| kerio | i want maemo/community/troll/kerio | 23:05 |
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| fil | BTW What's the state of the art with n900 SIP calls? -- are they still expected to be pretty horrid, or has the problem been found & fixed? | 23:23 |
| fil | (I've not looked into this for a year or so, but had no luck trying to get decent calls with my n900 talking to freeswitch last time I looked) | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I had pretty good quality SIP calls since beginning, others not so much. And there's no known fix yet, not even a known problem | 23:26 |
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| fil | yeah -- I have decent quality for a while (30s?) then a load of drop-out, then sometimes it gets it's act together, others it becomes completely unusable, occasionally I get good quality with a big round trip delay | 23:30 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: but i have problem with sip... | 23:35 |
| Drathir | but not sure server or phone side... | 23:36 |
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| Drathir | but also can do xmpp calls thats is nice option... | 23:51 |
| Drathir | good alternative to skype... | 23:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ 835M /home/jr/.local/share/.local-mail.directory/.imprt.directory/.KMail-Import.directory | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | incredible how kmailcvt can use 5GB of ram for importing 835M of mails | 23:58 |
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