IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-11-17

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Drathirkerio: but you know someone who use is? is save for phone?00:04
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keriowhat the fuck, my n900 thinks my dedicated charger is actually a usb host00:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: halp00:38
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Drathirkerio: re switched?00:39
vi___Drathir: re-switched?00:39
kerioyay, rebooting fixed it00:40
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: I usually fix that by un-&re-plugging charger00:41
DocScrutinizer05kerio: but yeah, I seem to recall I had lockups too00:42
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* Drathir have funny tnings is possible that oryginall nokia charged broken? because oryginal 1.2k mAh charging power is that low then cant on the phone but earlier BB9300 oryginal rim 900mAh charging and also can switch on...00:45
Drathirwait 750mAh*00:46
Drathirdam* mA bad dict... bad...00:46
DocScrutinizer05vi___: I'd not mix LiIon like BL-5J with LiPo like BP-4L00:48
DocScrutinizer05vi___: you should make sure you use batteries with identical chemistry when you want to parallel them00:49
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vi___DocScrutinizer05: ...should.00:51
DocScrutinizer05vi___: why not use 3 batteries?
vi___Because we can only use what will fit in a mugen back door.00:52
vi___And those 2 batteries are just too much size.00:53
DocScrutinizer05no, they aren't00:53
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: nice compression of place...00:54
vi___A mugen cover can only accomodate 40mm (iirc) width.00:54
vi___actually I can access my notebooks online. 1 mo.  I will tell you EXACTLY how much room there is in a mugen cover.00:55
DocScrutinizer05BL-4C/5C/6C, should fit under any reasonably extended deepth backcover, when you remove the plastic housing and protecction circuitry, which is needed only once and gives you an additional ~5mm in cell length00:55
DocScrutinizer05saves you an*00:56
DocScrutinizer05WTF 40mm? what did they do to the remaining ~17mm ?00:57
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vi___Sorry that was wrong.00:58
DocScrutinizer05fill it with plastic? store atomic waste there?00:58
vi___Stupid micro fail skydrive slow as frozen shit in an igloo.shit00:58
DocScrutinizer05the BL-nC are ~54mm length, and it looked to me as if they'd fit pretty well into a bac cover that's just a bit deeper than the original01:00
Drathiror mod the default from outside orginal cover with only plug ooing inside phone... but made that must be smart and good planned...01:00
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vi___Drathir: That would work like shit.01:01
vi___Drathir: A company called mugen make new covers.01:01
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DocScrutinizer05we had a few such 'bomblet' designs01:01
vi___Drathir: The cover is bigger.01:01
vi___Drathir: The cover has 63*44*6mm space inside.01:01
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DocScrutinizer05vi___: what's in the rest of it?01:02
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Drathirvi___: yes the cover is the best idea, but in my country sad but dont find any mugen covers...01:02
* ShadowJK 'd consider BL-5J and BP-4L the same chemistry.. atleast considering there's probably bigger difference between new nokia bl-5J and the old BL-5J, compared to difference between old BL-5J and BP-4L01:02
vi___The cover is curved on the back.01:02
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DocScrutinizer05vi___: WUT?01:03
vi___Also there is space taken up by the switch to simulate the camera slider,01:03
vi___DocScrutinizer05: I have measured the space with a caliper gauge.01:04
DocScrutinizer05I see01:05
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vi___bp-4l is 66x43x5mm01:06
DocScrutinizer05sou you need shorter batteries, not 55mm but 40mm01:06
DocScrutinizer05hmm, no, you need bp-4l :-D01:07
vi___DocScrutinizer05: ~40mm with the PCB removed.01:07
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vi___DocScrutinizer05: Now you see!01:08
vi___Drathir: You must buy from mugen website.01:08
vi___Drathir: They will send all over the world, for money.01:09
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DocScrutinizer05vi___: maybe you can find some cell that's a 1mm thicker01:09
DocScrutinizer05should give 20% more capacity01:09
vi___DocScrutinizer05: Perhaps.  Unfortunatley only nokia battery dimensions are well documented.01:10
DocScrutinizer05is there a bp-5l maybe?01:10
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vi___Perhaps if you stripped the label off you could squeeze that last bit.01:12
vi___Actually the battery has a curved edge.01:12
vi___It would perhaps fit nicely into the cover.01:12
vi___The 44mm measurement is minimum width measured at the bottom of the curve.01:13
DocScrutinizer05strange. Nokia's funny. BL-4C and 5C and 6C are same length and width, just each a tad thicker than the other01:13
vi___It is still only rated at 1500mAh.01:13
vi___The same as the best bl-5j01:14
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: (chemistry) what if one cell has a U/tmp rate of 5mV/°C and the other 15mV/°C ?01:16
amospallafor some reason, sometimes contacts duplicate, and appear new contacts with IM accounts, and original contacts loose that IM account01:17
amospallais anyone experiencing that? its always been like that01:18
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05, the Z will play a bigger part01:18
DocScrutinizer05not using IM, so can't help. sorry01:18
amospallathanks DocScrutinizer0501:19
vi___amospalla: if you disable, then re-enable an account it will happen.01:19
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: when cells heat up, the one will charge the other, which makes both heat up even more01:19
amospallavi___: and so, that applies, to group status, I guess01:19
amospallaI use these01:19
vi___DocScrutinizer05: There is an 1800mAh Mugen BP-4L.  I will wager it is a tiny bit thicker.01:19
amospallavi___: thanks01:19
ShadowJKvi___, the mugen BP-5L was a bit thinner than nokia BP-5L. Also, the Mugen BP-5L is 1200mAh. (Advertised 1800 on their site). :)01:20
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05, the anode and cathode will still be made of the same materials, the electrolyte in polymer battery would be different, but that probably only mostly affects how the battery's internal impedance across the temperature and load range varies?01:23
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: I'm not saying this must inevitably result in a problem, but I'm *very* cautious with connecting in parallel different cell types01:23
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ShadowJKI don't think the chemistry difference is much bigger than that of a battery manufactured today and a battery manufacturered last year to the same nominal specs01:25
vi___ShadowJK: Mugen bastards!01:25
vi___How the FUCK did this utter goon get an n950?01:25
vi___read the last comment.01:25
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: I'd also strongly discourage anybody to connect batteries of different age01:26
vi___DocScrutinizer05: definatle.01:26
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05, yes :)01:26
jacekowskihow somebody can come up with BS like that01:29
jacekowskibatteries never have 3.7V exactly01:29
jacekowskitypical "3.7V" is charged to 4.2 iirc01:29
ShadowJKWell, 3.7V is the midpoint between 3.2 and 4.2. Panasonic has batteries that have useful energy, and doesn't sustain damage down to 2.8 or so, and those might be labeled as 3.6V nominal. LG has batteries that are stable up to 4.35V, and those get labeled 3.8V... or it might be 3.8V because there's no energy left after 3.4V?01:30
vi___jacekowski: Yup.01:30
vi___Either way, let us mock her ignorance of our culture.01:31
ShadowJKin any case, the "normal" 3.2 - 4.2 range of N900 is pretty "safe" for all these things, you just don't get the full rated capacity01:31
DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: hm?01:32
DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: BS like what?01:32
DocScrutinizer05ooh, MsJen01:33
jacekowskiShadowJK: iirc N900 can take like 30V over usb01:34
jacekowskior whatever bq24150 can do01:34
vi___surely there is some form of over voltage protection?01:35
ShadowJKjacekowski, I meant that the thresholds used by N900's battery management of 3.2 being empty and 4.2 for full, is perfectly compatible with the 3.8V batteries01:35
vi___Some zeners or something.01:35
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DocScrutinizer05N900 will smoke up on >20V, but probably suffers damage at 12V already01:36
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DocScrutinizer05since VBUS detection pin from GAIA isn't really protected against overvoltage, and GAIA has not the nice high tolerance against OV like bq2415001:37
Drathirsad that HAM dont have list export option...01:40
DocScrutinizer05list export?01:41
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: I think there are other ways to get all the lists you might ever want. Just specify what exactly you're after01:43
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: yes installed aplication list01:44
DocScrutinizer05create a backup and check the .tgz01:44
Drathiryes i know that apt can do that01:44
DocScrutinizer05there's a fine list of installed apps01:44
DocScrutinizer05(built-in hildon backup app)01:45
DocScrutinizer05actually not apt but dpkg -L01:45
DocScrutinizer05-l ?01:46
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: ok i have but not jet checking insde backups01:46
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: appdownloader have something other than HAM ? or it is only the gui?01:58
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DocScrutinizer05appdownloader? never heard of02:00
DocScrutinizer05might be some kinky chimera between a webbrowser for and the one-click installer files there that control HAM in the end02:03
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: there's basically only the 3 well known repositories to get any apps from02:05
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: well, there's also but I ignored that pretty much all the time since I got N90002:07
DocScrutinizer05since WTF needs >>Aliya's seductive photoshoot<<?02:08
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: ok i understand now looking other usefull app02:15
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Drathirone thing wchich annoying me is startup noka sound02:16
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is
DocScrutinizer05you even get a cute "DONT PANIC" startup animation there02:17
DocScrutinizer05no sound! ;-D02:18
Drathirbut interesting why dont have option inside menu by default02:18
DocScrutinizer05Nokia wants to make sure their branding isn't too easy to remove02:19
Drathirmy second 6230i have ^^02:19
Drathirbut yes proppably that is the reason02:20
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: interesting builid-in player can stream avi but cant mp4 and mp3...02:29
* ShadowJK can stream mp302:32
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DrathirShadowJK: maybe was something broked i dont check after flashing... lets me see...02:39
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ShadowJKAlot of the stations in the default "Internet Radio" category are mp302:40
Drathircant... maybe https:// is a reason...02:44
Drathirstream files from webserver i mean...02:44
DocScrutinizer05FSCK U akonadi!02:50
DocScrutinizer05kmail refuses to even start02:50
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DocScrutinizer05kde4 is utterly useless02:52
DocScrutinizer05flakes rushed in and wrecked it02:52
* kolp doesn't use it anymore for exactly that reason :(02:53
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DocScrutinizer05I dunno what's wrong with recent generation of coders. Too much videogame playing, too much windows in their youth? WHAT? The devels originalls designing KDE1 and KDE2 and even 3 did a pretty good job. Now we got this horse shit02:56
DocScrutinizer05and I got no working mail anymore02:59
amospallaI've tried twice to use it, but it scared me03:01
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kolpI kinda liked the idea of Akonadi back when it was suggested03:02
kolpBut now...03:02
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* DocScrutinizer05 shouts FSCKIT and installs KDE303:09
* nox- sticks to goo ol mutt03:10
nox-_that_ at least has never eaten mail for me03:10
nox-(and i can ssh to the box i run it on from the n900 too)03:11
DocScrutinizer05eaten mail? HAH! this idiot pile of S* showed same mail 40 times, 39 times greyed out03:11
DocScrutinizer05nfc what greyed out mail means or is worth for03:11
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: what about GNOME3? :)03:12
jon_yor u-u-u-Unity?03:12
jon_yas for KDE vs Gnome, KDE is still the saner choice :)03:12
jon_yit used to be KDE4 vs Gnome 203:13
jon_yuntil Ubuntu came to the party03:13
jon_ynox-: themes can break on update, really sounds like java runtime problems03:15
nox-ubuntu also brought us x starting w/o cursor and w black background and ctrl-alt-backspace disabled...03:15
nox-jon_y, the bigger prob is the mindset `we need to disallow customizations...'03:17
jon_yI want my CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE back03:17
nox-Option "XkbOptions"     "compose:rwin,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"03:18
jon_yI can't understand that no-customize mindset03:18
* nox- neither03:18
jon_yIf I wanted iOS, I would use an iPhone03:19
jon_ylol Ubuntu03:21
jon_ynox-: <- sounds like a business grad got control of the engineering department03:26
nox-yeah maybe thats it...03:27
jon_ywith all that micromanagement that you see from the daily WTF03:27
jon_yI'm not seeing why Gnome is controlling the backend GTK03:28
jon_yGTK is mostly used as a low level GUI toolkit03:28
jon_yif they want consistent, do another higer level library for gnome windowing and dialog styles03:29
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DocScrutinizer05kde3-for-suse12.1 - kiss my ass goodbye, plasma, akonadi, whatnot else03:37
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DocScrutinizer05jon_y: you didn't know about buntkuh?03:41
infobotsomebody said buntkuh was ... Redmond, or
jon_ywhat are those?03:41
jon_yHolstein... does it involve royalty?03:42
jon_yno, just cows03:42
jon_yafaik, Holstein is somwehere North in Germany03:43
jon_yand possibly vo Holstein house of nobles03:43
jon_y*von Holstein03:43
DocScrutinizer05and their checkered cows are one example of a buntkuh03:44
DocScrutinizer05buntkuh == checkered cow03:44
jon_yoh ok, I see03:44
jon_ysome branding? :)03:44
DocScrutinizer05kuh = cow, bunt = colored03:45
jon_ywhat language is that?03:45
DocScrutinizer05so, Uh BuntKu(h)03:46
jon_y"It is black and white due to artificial selection by the breeders."03:46
DocScrutinizer05sounds like canonical, right03:46
jon_yso that relates to Gnome and their artificial branding?03:46
DocScrutinizer05well, I just wondered if you never before heard of that xkcd strip03:48
jon_yI don't really follow xkcd religiously, just occasionally03:48
DocScrutinizer05since I invoke ~buntkuh every now and then03:48
jon_ynox-'s like sounds like Canonical/Ubuntu/Gnome3 is having an ego trip03:49
DocScrutinizer05"just windows with a few custom themes"03:49
jon_yI had exactly one friend who liked the Ububtu Unity theme :)03:49
DocScrutinizer05ubuntu always tried to be the cheaper windows rather than the better differnet OS03:50
jon_yI always found it funky when it won't allow multiple terminals03:50
DocScrutinizer05if I want windows UX, I get me the original03:50
jon_yit would not have been annoying if the term emulator allowed tabs03:50
jon_yeven Windows allow multiple cmd prompts03:50
DocScrutinizer05when I decide to use linux, I don't want it to mimick windows03:51
jon_ygood thing I have no preconception that it should work like Windows, since I run it in a headless VM most of the time03:52
jon_ySSH is the best invention of 20th century computing03:52
DocScrutinizer05yay! total download size: 938MB. texlive:264MB03:55
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders whether to check out this tex thing eventually03:56
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DocScrutinizer05ok, there it is: Kontakt-KDE304:14
RST38hMEANWHILE: Indian School Textbook Says Meat-Eaters Lie and Commit Sex Crimes04:24
RST38hIndeed, they do, all the time04:24
SpeedEvilI am reminded of:04:30
SpeedEvilwhich is an example of why many politicians need set on fire.04:32
SpeedEvilyes, nearly a quarter of disabled people have a criminal record.04:32
SpeedEviland indeed the able bodied have slightly more criminal records.04:33
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RST38hSpeedEvil: All those offenders are meat eaters though, I am sure04:44
RST38hSpeedEvil: So Indians are still correct! =)04:44
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SpeedEvilour government has been spinning disabled benefit claimants as workshy scroungers, using the dosgiest of statistics to provide cover for upcoming 20% cuts.04:46
SpeedEvilquite odious.04:46
RST38hSpeedEvil: Well, see, you can't feed them all because that will be socialism (and every politician hates that). You cannot kill them off because of the western liberal values.04:53
RST38hSpeedEvil: You cannot exile them to Australia for obvious reasons04:54
RST38hSpeedEvil: And there are no worthy enemies left to declare war on, I mean the ones that will not nuke you but will massacre sizable amounts of your able bodied males04:55
RST38hSo, yeah, hard situation indeed.04:55
Drathiranyone can confirm that"qutim" is broken package?05:01
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merlin1991 rofl06:40
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MentalistTraceurOpen question to anyone who has an opinion on the matter: Out of the Forth compilers hForth, gForth, or pForth, which is better? Or are they all essentially just as good?07:56
r00t|homewho the hell uses forth...07:57
MentalistTraceurSome people. And while you're entitled to suggest that my question is irrelevant because 'who the hell uses it', that doesn't help me with my question at all.08:00
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Sc0rpiuswow Forth08:12
Sc0rpiusI haven't heard about it in +30 years08:12
Sc0rpiusI had a C64 with a forth compiler in the 80s08:12
Sc0rpiussince I haven't code in Forth in +30 years, I can't help you08:13
merlin1991hey Sc0rpius btw08:14
merlin1991did you get anywhere with the email that foobared modest?08:14
Sc0rpiusno.. Yappari have made me really busy lately :(08:15
merlin1991yappari, hm care to refresh my mind?08:16
Sc0rpiusit's a Whatsapp client for the N90008:16
merlin1991okay :)08:16
merlin1991any luck?08:16
Sc0rpiusnot with modest08:16
merlin1991they seem to change protocol quite often08:16
merlin1991err with yappari ;)08:17
Sc0rpiusthey have changed it a couple of times but rithg now Yappari is working flawlessly08:17
Sc0rpiusbut it hasn't all the Whatsapp features implemented08:17
merlin1991what's missing?08:20
* merlin1991 never used what's app08:21
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deviliIs there anyway to use vkb wid easy debian?tp://
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keriomerlin1991: for instance, it's missing the connection to the whatsapp servers on a secondary port >:(09:59
kerioit's also missing a gtk interface09:59
merlin1991kerio: huge lag on that response ;)09:59
keriobecause qt sucks09:59
kerioand doesn't want to follow xkb09:59
kerioand i don't get my cool layout10:00
keriono, seriously, qt even has the stupid hold-key-to-sym10:02
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deviliis there anyway to use the vkb with esy debian??
devilidn follow d link... Midori sucks!!!10:58
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freemangordonsomeone with n8x0 ?11:06
freemangordonthe question - is osso-systemui-tklock source open in diablo/chinook/etc?11:07
Luke-Jrif it is, it isn't on the device O.o11:13
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freemangordonLuke-Jr: is there tklock at all?11:15
freemangordoni.e. how is the screen locked?11:15
Luke-Jrmine isn't running11:15
Luke-Jrand when it is, it only runs Gentoo now11:15
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keriotadzik: do you think the n900 is powerful enough to render mapnik tiles on the fly?12:06
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kerioNIN101: you haven't answered yesterday, i think12:38
kerioNIN101: why can't rescueOS ship the wifi firmware?12:38
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infobotsomebody said jrtools was
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NIN101kerio: I did answer12:45
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NIN101I do not ship the firmware because I wasn't sure what their licence state is and didn't want to get in trouble by nokia12:46
NIN101it also adds bloat12:46
HurrianNIN101, well, when Nokia goes potato side up, I guess we can start redistributing all the binaries.12:47
jacekowskiHurrian: that's unlikely to happen12:50
jon_yin a few yeas time, they will consist of an undead legal department to sit on their patents :)12:54
jon_ythe long arm of the MS legal department12:54
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tadzikkerio: I've no eye deer, never heard of mapnik before12:57
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tadzikkerio: you think it may work better than Gtk while not being qt? ;)12:59
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kerioNIN101: the "bleeding edge" drivers are open i think13:07
kerioor are the drivers and the firmware two separate entities?13:07
kerioanyway, not having wifi would suck if you fuck up your rootfs13:07
NIN101it has the kernel modules, just not the firmware13:08
kerioi see13:08
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NIN101it even has a stupid script that gets the firmware from maemo root automatiically ( but for obvious reasons isn't run on boot)13:10
kerioNIN101: what's the firmware again?13:12
keriowhat's the difference between -fw.bin and -nvs.bin?13:12
keriooic, calibration data13:13
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DocScrutinizer05I'd not feel too scared about delivering those binaries13:24
DocScrutinizer05NIN101: how about wgetting them from some other place?13:25
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ...13:25
kerioyou're not going to care about wifi if you've got usb networking working13:25
NIN101DocScrutinizer05: such as?13:27
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kerioNIN101: TI, possibly13:27
kerioor nokia13:27
DocScrutinizer05well, I'd probably not post the URL here in a logged channel13:27
keriowl1251-firmware*.deb from
keriomy previous point still stands13:28
DocScrutinizer05but it might start with
DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty sure jacekowski has even less problems13:29
kerioDocScrutinizer05: is a 404 :(13:30
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Skryiirc that firmware is redistributable if you ship it with it's licence13:30
DocScrutinizer05kerio: and thanks to you it will remain like that13:31
Venemowhat is the best way to sync google contacts to fremantle? does MfE work like on Harmattan?13:31
kerioDocScrutinizer05: oh13:31
kerioVenemo: BT syncml13:31
Venemokerio, hmm?13:32
keriooh, google contacts13:32
kerioMfE usually doesn't work13:32
keriofor some reason13:32
Venemothat is weird13:33
VenemoI recall having used it with my hotmail account back then.13:33
keriono, i mean that it doesn't work with google13:35
vi___I am pretty sure you can use mfe to sync contacts with google on th n900.13:37
vi___You can sync multiple google calanders for sure.13:38
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VenemoI'll try13:46
DocScrutinizer05kerio:  please never do that again!13:46
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: btw if you're already that good, you might as well have a look at your N900 and watch the FQN there13:55
keriogot it13:56
DocScrutinizer05now DON'T post it again here!13:56
DocScrutinizer05or elsewhere13:56
jon_yfully qualified name?14:00
jon_yoh hai iscsi fqn target14:00
Venemolol lol14:00
jon_ythat reminds me, iscsi client on the n900 would be pretty cool14:00
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Hurrianjon_y, that's just insane enough to work14:03
Hurrianalthough, have fun with iSCSI over 802.11G14:03
jon_ydoes kp have the modules already?14:03
kerioDocScrutinizer05: really though, if you've got access to the internet it means that you're using usb networking14:04
kerioat that point, you don't need wifi at all14:04
jon_ymaybe a remote way to access my data at home14:04
jon_ybounced via ssh14:04
jon_yactually I'm not sure about the ssh bit14:04
jon_yiscsi doesn't do tcp14:04
keriohahahahah iSCSI over internet14:05
jon_ymust vpn14:05
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I got access to internet on my PC and I'm not using USB networking on my N90014:05
jon_ysshfs seems to be simpler14:05
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: since setting up USB networking is a PITA - on PC side14:05
jon_yon the PC side, you should configure it to forward and route IP14:06
jon_yon Linux it's a matter of touching one of the /proc files14:06
kerioDocScrutinizer05: then how would you wget something from within rescueOS?14:06
jon_yand maybe some iptables14:06
DocScrutinizer05kerio: via wifi?14:06
jon_ywindows doesn't like to do forwarding unless you use the server editions14:07
kerioDocScrutinizer05: not without the firmware you still have to wget from the internet :)14:07
DocScrutinizer05as mentioned before I also had to wget rescueOS from the internet14:07
DocScrutinizer05I'm doing that on my PC14:07
kerioi see what you mean14:07
* kerio has rescueos on eMMC14:07
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LaoLang_coolI notice there is no active on, seems no any package has update14:31
LaoLang_coolwhat's wrong?14:31
kerioi bet the autobuilder is on the fritz again14:37
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vi___I wish backupmenu had some feature for setting the time&date.14:40
keriovi___: the shell, maybe14:41
keriothere's no way to disable fbcon though14:41
vi___kerio: exactly.14:41
keriojust reboot14:41
vi___unless backupmenu was ncurses.14:41
kerioi mean, set the date, hwclock -w, reboot14:41
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vi___kerio: goood idea14:42
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vi___I really should not have written 'man date' into google.14:43
DocScrutinizer05hwclock --noadjfile --systohc14:43
keriovi___: haha14:44
keriohmm, there's a libicd-network-usb package apparently14:44
keriowhy didn't i know about it14:44
keriomeh, ICD sucks anyway14:49
kerioDocScrutinizer05: how do g_file_storage and g_nokia make the popup to choose the mode appear?14:49
keriowould g_ether also do that?14:49
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vi___kerio: look in /sbin/15:00
vi___You will find all the scripts for mass storage mode/pc suite mode and popup menu etc.15:00
vi___how come tracker is not ionice into oblivion?15:00
keriovi___: who calls them?15:00
vi___ionice -c3 $(pidoff tracker)15:01
vi___kerio: not sure.15:02
vi___something triggered by the hal event generated by usb plug/unplug.15:02
keriovi___: it doesn't happen with no g_ modules loaded, though15:02
vi___kerio: oh, ok.  I di dnot know that.15:03
vi___kerio: What are you trying to do?15:03
kerioi dunno lol15:04
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kerioanyway, g_ether also makes the popup appear, sadly :(15:05
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vi___I will bet you can roll the emmc image into the same bin as the rootfs image.15:11
vi___Just think, you would only need to flash 1 file.15:11
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keriovi___: i'm not so sure of that15:17
keriorootfs and emmc are flashed with two different protocols15:17
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jacekowskiiirc combined is first downloaded to RAM and then flashed15:27
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DocScrutinizer05(Ot: akonadi, kde4) incredible, even with Kontact-kde3 (==kmail1.9.xx) the 'import' function uses friggin akonadi-agent-launcher. Running since 10h now to import my old mails, raping my CPU into a fried chicken, and RAM usage: 8GB + 4GB swap16:05
DocScrutinizer05damn akonadi MUST be an idea of lennart16:06
DocScrutinizer05Corsac: to find a lame excuse, I could explain that it's the reason why I still can't process my council related mail16:08
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Corsacjust don't use kde?16:12
infobotLennart is ~Poettering16:15
infobot'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering''16:15
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LaoLang_coolHi, a question: how to set time from cli?16:21
NIN101use "date"16:21
NIN101and maybe take a look at "hwclock"16:22
LaoLang_coolNIN101, an example please? how to set system clock to 2012-11-17 22:25?16:24
LaoLang_coolI don't know how to specify the date time after `date -s`16:24
DocScrutinizer05Corsac: sounds like "just don't use email"16:25
jon_yLaoLang_cool: google man date16:25
NIN101date -s "2012-11-17 22:25"16:25
RST38hDoc: Akonadi looks like a typical KDE framework16:25
NIN101and yes, google man date16:26
jon_ydate format as well16:26
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: see my original rant16:26
LaoLang_cool-s, --set=STRING16:26
jon_yin case you didn't like your default format string16:26
LaoLang_coolI don't know what 'STRING' mean here :(16:26
NIN101<NIN101> date -s "2012-11-17 22:25"16:26
DocScrutinizer05I hoped to get rid of it by downgrading to kde3 which evidently didn't use akonadi yet16:26
LaoLang_coolNIN101, it says: date: invalid date '2012-11-17 22:25' :(16:27
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NIN101worked on my system16:28
NIN101maybe N900's busybox date is differnet16:28
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: now I'm importing my mails to kmail1.9 (supposed to not use akonadi) and it's still annoying akonadi-launcher-daemon and an amazing rate of ~1.5 mails/s16:28
LaoLang_coolNIN101, oh...16:28
LaoLang_coolI use the stock busybox16:29
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: with a CPU load of ~100% on a dual core 2.3GHz system16:29
DocScrutinizer05honestly you probably could brute force encrypted mails at that rate16:29
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DocScrutinizer05akonadi devels deserve to get shot16:30
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RST38hDoc: typical for KDE16:30
RST38hDoc: looks like you have never seen aRts for example ;)16:31
DocScrutinizer05I know aRts and I nuked it on all my KDE installs so far16:31
DocScrutinizer05it's almost as braindead as PA16:32
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DocScrutinizer05and phonon16:32
DocScrutinizer05but you had the option to use a plain clean "aplay" insted of aRts16:32
DocScrutinizer05with phonon, no options whatsoever16:33
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* RST38h wants his /dev/dsp back16:35
RST38hand all these megalomaniacs with their frameworks out16:35
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DocScrutinizer05I'm happy with ALSA16:36
DocScrutinizer05as long as there's a option to get rid of PA/phonon/aRts/whatever nonsense16:37
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DocScrutinizer05this KDE4 however, well it's FUBAR16:37
RST38hHave you looked inside ALSA?16:37
RST38hPlease, do, but remember to eat well in advance16:37
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DocScrutinizer05RST38h: I already suggested patches to ALSA, not accepted since "that's not a bug, that's a design feature"16:38
DocScrutinizer05so yes, I already looked into ALSA16:38
DocScrutinizer05I don't love ALSA, I pretty much hate it. But it's still several magnitudes better than any alternative16:39
jon_yPulse Audio! :)16:39
DocScrutinizer05puke audio16:39
jon_yyeah, lots of screaming over that one16:39
DocScrutinizer05I _do_ _not_ _need_  any soundserver16:40
RST38hBut it is so cute!16:40
jon_ybtw, on Linux audio, there is only 1 sink at a time?16:40
RST38hAnd it mixes in userspace!16:41
DocScrutinizer05it's a pretty much obsolete concept16:41
LaoLang_cooltime to sleep, good bye guys, see you!16:41
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jon_yWindows has userspace mixers, but it lags like shit if you have crap hardware16:41
RST38hjon_y: You should be able to open /dev/dsp as many times as you have got sinks16:41
jon_ykernel mixers are lag free, but only 1 audio playing at a given time16:42
DocScrutinizer05then where's the mixing in that?16:42
jon_yyeah, it shouldn't be called a mixer16:42
Venemoas long as it works without requiring me to mess around with it, I'm pretty fine with any sound server or whatever.16:42
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how we got to audio again?16:43
jon_yidk, you were talking about ALSA :)16:43
RST38hDoc: poettering -> frameworks -> megalomaniacs -> audio16:44
DocScrutinizer05it's been dicussed ad nauseum16:44
RST38hDoc: ALways proceeds this way, if you have not noticed16:44
DocScrutinizer05[2012-11-17 15:31:15] <RST38h> Doc: looks like you have never seen aRts for example ;)16:44
RST38hDoc: Notice how we still have not got to "designer languages" and version control systems16:44
DocScrutinizer05seems it's you who always proceeds this way16:45
jon_y"designer languages" <- ?16:45
RST38hDoc: that too16:45
RST38hjon_y: Python, Ruby, PHP, Perl, etc16:45
DocScrutinizer05don't think i'd not notice or couldn't handle your trolling me16:45
jon_yRST38h: what so designer about them?16:46
DocScrutinizer05I'm just bored so did you the favour16:46
RST38hDoc: You have been out of shape after beingdepressed by KDE416:46
RST38hDoc: So it is understandable16:46
RST38hjon_y: Authors created their languages on a whim, non of the authors had decent computer science education on the topic16:47
jon_yPerl is pretty good, at least when I tried it16:47
jon_ylearning curve is in the syntax16:48
RST38hPerl is the only one created by an actual linguist16:48
DocScrutinizer05perl is what raped my CPU last time, by `perl -foo spamssassin` - prolly not perl's fault though16:48
RST38hHence is its syntax16:48
jon_yonce you get the basics, it very much flows easily16:49
DocScrutinizer05linguist? WTF!16:49
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RST38hDoc: Well, perl is perfectly capable of cpu rape, but at least it has got SOME use16:49
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jon_yfelt that way when I learned perl16:49
jon_y I can perfectly rape the cpu with C while(1){} :)16:50
DocScrutinizer05sounds like "learn esperanto, it's a clean language" to me16:50
RST38hWhile in graduate school at UC Berkeley, Wall and his wife were studying linguistics with the intention afterwards of finding an unwritten language, perhaps in Africa, and creating a writing system for it.16:50
Ken-YoungThe *best* thing about python is it's slowly killing perl.16:50
RST38hjon_y: You can't, most system schedulers will not agree with you16:50
DocScrutinizer05in my book, linguists have NFC about programming16:50
jon_yhopefully it is easy to write python extensions in C16:50
DocScrutinizer05neither about control or data structures16:50
RST38hKen: Unlike Perl, Python does not appear to have much point16:50
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RST38hDoc: Wall also worked as a programmer at Unisys16:51
RST38hDoc: And he has got..mmm... rather eclectic education16:51
jon_yabout python, OMG the tabs16:52
jon_ywell, I haven't really used it, so I can't say much16:52
RST38hjon_y: Forget the tabs. Look at how they do OOP16:52
Ken-Youngjon_y, You can use spaces!16:52
jon_yfor quick and dirty, I still stick with perl16:52
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jon_yI did want to learn python, but haven't gotten into it16:53
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Venemoperl is pretty much a write-only language imo17:02
keriojon_y: if you use tabs in a python file, unless you're doing so because you joined a project that used tabs for indentation, i will hunt you down and brutally murder you17:02
keriook, maybe not17:03
keriobut still, don't use tabs, use spaces17:03
RST38hVenemo: Depends on how you write it17:03
VenemoI don't17:03
Venemoat all17:03
kerioVenemo: +117:03
RST38hVenemo: But yes, Perl makes it easy to write unreadable code17:03
keriojon_y: python's object model is fucking awesome17:03
RST38hkerio <- pervert17:04
kerioRST38h: ?17:04
RST38habout as awesome as a frog model where you have to pull strings to make the frog move17:04
keriowhat's your problem with python's object model?17:05
kerioi mean, if you're used to perl your problem is probably the fact that *there are objects*17:06
DocScrutinizer05kmailCVT memory usage: 4,621,700k17:10
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DocScrutinizer05akonadi_agent_launcher CPU time, user: 10,620s, sys: 2,046s17:11
DocScrutinizer05kmailcvt CPU user: 19,253.7s17:13
jon_ykerio: agreed, I use spaces17:13
kolpDocScrutinizer05: Why not use IMAP?17:14
DocScrutinizer05why not eat a banana?17:14
jon_yeeww IMAP17:15
kolpNo need to import mail into kmail directly17:15
jon_ypop3 is the only valid option17:15
DocScrutinizer05none of those is an option to move mails from one directory on my local PC to another17:15
RST38hDoc: wow, it must be working on somethign really serious!17:15
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: importing some 200k mails17:16
RST38hDoc: Actually, he has got an interesting idea - run a local IMAP server :)17:16
RST38hNever import!17:16
DocScrutinizer05from one dir to another, basically17:16
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: rrrrrrright, couldn't be more slow17:17
* RST38h uses PINE, with emails stored as plain unindexed files17:18
RST38hSurprisingly usable even with huge folders17:18
DocScrutinizer05it's literally importing ~1.5 mails/s from backup/oldPC/.kde/applications/kmail to some kmail folder17:18
DocScrutinizer05the mails are average 30k size17:19
DocScrutinizer05and it's raping my dual core CPU for this, since >10h now17:20
RST38hDo you have an exit strategy by the way?17:20
DocScrutinizer05yeah, killall17:20
RST38hi.e. how are you going to get those emails OUT OF AKONADI?17:20
RST38hOnce the next maniac replaces it with something even more elaborate?17:21
DocScrutinizer05I'm still puzzled how akonadi comes in for kmail1.917:21
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DocScrutinizer05I'm hoping once they are imported to kmail1.9, I'll never again see akonadi anywhere17:21
Venemowhat is akonadi anyway?17:22
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DocScrutinizer05there's stuff like akonadi-daemon-pop3, *-imap etc17:23
DocScrutinizer05some "brilliant" idea for a backend framework once again17:24
DocScrutinizer05it's pretty useful to make your mail client spawn ~150 processes17:25
DocScrutinizer05all of them talking to each other via dbus, aiui17:25
DocScrutinizer05friggin retarded concept17:25
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DocScrutinizer05tbh I'm afraid the kde3-kmail, on "import", invoked the kde4-kmailcvt, and all those imported mails will not end up in kmail1.9 but in kde4-kmail217:28
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: mail agent dont fetch mails in background? maybe that the reason high load?17:32
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: it's an import, from a local directory17:33
DocScrutinizer05into a virgin kmail1.9 (no accounts set up)17:34
Drathirinteresting whem ported thunderbird to arm...17:35
Drathirbuilit-in nokia for now must be enough...17:36
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: why weren't you using a client with support for unix maildirs?18:24
kerioor mbox, if you're worried about fragmentation18:24
* ShadowJK uses kmail with Maildirs 18:26
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: >:-((18:29
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DocScrutinizer05what do you think I tried to import?18:30
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DocScrutinizer05btw if you're interested: kmailcvt finished importing, but started raping CPU even worse, and ate ~3MB RAM / 10s. Had to kill it >:-(18:31
DocScrutinizer05like I expected: not a single friggin mail got 'imported' to kmail1.918:33
DocScrutinizer05now for locating a few GB of file rubbish the action of last 12h left on my HDD18:34
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RiDmy n900's motherboard is now on someone's unknown hands18:36
RiD... he instantly recognized it was from a n900, so I'm confident he's going to do it all pretty well18:36
* DocScrutinizer05 expects to find a gorgeous 10GB mysql db file somewhere18:36
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hold on, you have your mail in a mbox?18:36
kerio(or a maildir)18:37
keriokeep it there!18:37
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keriono srsly18:37
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DocScrutinizer05I haven't planned to rm them18:38
kerioi meant18:38
keriouse a client that supports them18:38
DocScrutinizer05DAFAQ kmail is supposed to do exactly that18:38
DocScrutinizer05at least kmail1.918:39
keriowell something has clearly gone wrong18:39
kerioyou don't want to import it, just use it18:39
RiDi like owls face18:41
DocScrutinizer05~dict import18:41
infobotDictionary 'import' (1 of 13): an imported person brought from a foreign country; "the lead role was played by an import from Sweden"; "they are descendants of indentured importees" .18:41
kerio OH LAWDS18:42
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DocScrutinizer05could we nuke that BS off tmo, please?18:43
DocScrutinizer05for all I know that .zip could be a virus or whatever18:43
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ^^^18:43
kerionah bro its totally legit my net accelerated 100%18:43
kerioand yes, there's a .scr inside18:43
DocScrutinizer05yo sure18:43
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: !!!!!18:44
kerioto be completely honest, anyone falling for that probably deserves it18:44
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kerioidea for the next forum: if enough people with high karma report something, it gets temporarily blocked18:45
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: brilliant idea, no kidding. Make a post-it note so you don't forget about it18:47
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: !!!!!18:47
vi___what is this brilliant idea?18:50
vi___~seen stkeeps18:50
infobotvi___: i haven't seen 'stkeeps'18:51
vi___~seen st-keeps18:51
infobotvi___: i haven't seen 'st-keeps'18:51
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DocScrutinizer05~seen stskeeps18:56
infobotstskeeps is currently on #meego (1d 7h 22m 27s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1d 3h 47m 27s, last said: 'check "publish" flag'.18:56
DocScrutinizer05(([2012-11-17 17:50:50] <vi___> what is this brilliant idea?)) see 4 lines above your question, 2 lines above my comment18:57
keriovi___: automatic blocking of posts when they get reported by a certain total karma19:05
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vi___kerio: interesting.19:08
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vi___So if all us high and mightys gang up we can effectivly 'silence' somone?19:08
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keriowith ripercussions if abused19:11
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Lava_CroftSounds like something that would not turn out bad at all, given human nature19:35
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vi___how do I create an empty ext3 disk image?19:37
SpeedEvildid, mke2fs19:37
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keriodd of=image count=0 seek=8G && mkfs.ext3 image19:47
kerioer, whoops19:48
keriodd of=image count=0 bs=1 seek=8g19:48
keriootherwise it's going to make a 4096GiB image19:50
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vi___I have an image file here, how do I determine wtf it is?20:02
vi___WTF is there no documentation or man page for fiasco-gen?20:03
vi___HOW THE F are you supposed to use this fucking piece of fucking shit?20:04
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kerioyou're not20:06
kerioalso, "file"20:06
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DocScrutinizer05vi___: fiasco-gen --help  ;-P20:16
DocScrutinizer05vi___: ask aunt google20:17
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DocScrutinizer05what makes me wonder is: ARMEL: unsatisfied dependency: libusb20:17
vi___DocScrutinizer05: --help is as much use as a toffee onion.20:17
DocScrutinizer05duh, why?20:18
DocScrutinizer05Usage: fiasco-gen [OPTIONS]20:18
DocScrutinizer05seriously though, MohammadAG managed to figure how to use it, so I guess there's some way to google or guess how it works20:19
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: how's missiles?20:20
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: friggin idiots everywhere, no?20:20
Lava_Croft'friggin' idiots' is a good term to describe the people fueling the fire on both sides20:22
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DocScrutinizer05the most odd thing: meanwhile I'd believe of each side to shoot their *own* people, pretending it's been the enemy, so to get a justification to fire 'back'20:24
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vi___well what is the differance between MMC image and RAW MMC image?20:28
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DocScrutinizer05there's a diff somewhere?20:29
freemangordonvi___: header?20:29
freemangordonwith geometry description?20:29
DocScrutinizer05honestly, without context the question is void20:30
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: The wounds of those people have run so deep for so long that it's basically impossible to wrap your head around it20:30
keriowhich sides?20:30
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DocScrutinizer05IL vs hamas20:31
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DocScrutinizer05vi___: if you refer to fiasco-gen, the difference is in "append" rather than "raw", I'd guess20:32
DocScrutinizer05  -m, --mmc=ARG            Location of MMC image20:33
DocScrutinizer05      --mmc-append=ARG     MMC raw image to append20:33
vi___DocScrutinizer05: I dunno, stop aggressively expanding and maybe your neighbours will be a little less agro.20:33
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DocScrutinizer05vi___: if it's about my opinion, i'd lock them into a bunker, all of them, in one* bunker, for 4 weeks at least. With 2000 baseball bats20:35
vi___DocScrutinizer05: That works for me.20:36
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Lava_Croftwhy lock those arabs there20:36
Lava_Crofti mean, israel was just put there after ww220:36
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kerioisrael has a lot more rights to be there than palestine, imo20:37
DocScrutinizer05if nothing else, then for Landshut20:37
keriothey've got more money and better tech20:37
keriooccupying like this is BS, though20:37
keriothey should've declared a proper war20:37
keriowe've got proper ways of doing that20:37
vi___kerio> israel has a lot more rights to be there than palestine, imo20:38
vi___are you shitting me?20:38
keriovi___: being there first is of no use if the other side has more money and better tech20:38
DocScrutinizer05vi___: he just entered trolling mode, didn't you realize?20:38
vi___...they were there first.20:38
kerioyep, and israel is stronger20:38
DocScrutinizer05or maybe sarcasm mode20:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: a lil' bit of both20:39
Lava_Croftthankgod im a white western guy and my kind of people have absolutely nothing to do with the current cesspool that is the middle east20:39
* Lava_Croft whistles the tune of innocence20:39
kerioLava_Croft: indeed!20:39
kerioLava_Croft: or the countless invasion over the millennia20:39
vi___Lava_Croft: uk?20:40
DocScrutinizer05yeah sure. (leaving out the ambivalent role of decisions of western superforces after WW2)20:40
Lava_Croftthe short-term memory failure of the white man is very, very grave20:40
Lava_Croftvi___: NL20:40
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DocScrutinizer05(also omitting the massive support by USA, the nuklear proliferation by French frogs, the submarines delivered by Germany to transport those nukes everywhere)20:43
DocScrutinizer05meh! politics20:44
vi___goddamnit, I cannot even use the original firmware to generate a new fiasco image.20:44
DocScrutinizer05ask MohammadAG20:44
vi___After I have extracted the fat32 image from emmc image, how do I tell if it is a raw image?20:44
DocScrutinizer05or robbiethe1st20:45
vi___DocScrutinizer05: robbie only ever succeeded in making a rootfs image.20:45
vi___He did not roll it into a flashable .bin20:45
DocScrutinizer05I thought there's been a fiasco img with BM somewhere20:46
vi___a rootfs image, not rolled into a .bin container.20:46
DocScrutinizer05what's the use of such 'image', what's even the meaning of 'image' here?20:47
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DocScrutinizer05whatever, what makes you think there are other mmc images than of type 'raw'?20:49
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DocScrutinizer05you probably also might ask Pali, he might know a bit about fiasco.bin structure and fiasco-gen, due to his RE of flasher20:54
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Wizzup__So I'21:10
Wizzup__... that went well21:10
Wizzup__So I21:10
Wizzup__So I'm having a problem with this bluetooth keyboard... :-)21:10
Wizzup__I can pair with it initially, using 6-digit PIN (must be 6)21:10
Wizzup__And then it will work, until I turn it off. When I turn the keyboard on again, it will automatically try to reconnect (my n900 asks me if I want to connect to it)21:11
Wizzup__And then apparently it is connected, but the n900 no longer picks up key input from it21:11
Wizzup__(It does this the first time)21:11
kerioWizzup__: are you using extkbd?21:11
keriois it a HID keyboard?21:12
Wizzup__I think I am using extkdb, I have an External Keyboard settings menu (in Settings), and I think it is HID, yes21:12
Wizzup__Supported profiles: HID, Device type: Keyboard21:13
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kerioso you have to repair it again to make it work?21:14
keriousual: have you tried restarting bluetoothd and/or rebooting?21:14
Wizzup__kerio: ``repair'' in the sense that I delete the device from bt devices, then pair again21:15
Wizzup__(apart from this it works really well, even volume keys work, lol:)21:15
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Wizzup__kerio: Hm, rebooting the phone?21:15
Wizzup__Note that there is actual crash, and the devices are ``connected'', just no keys are being sent21:16
Wizzup__The keyboard automagically connects to the phone again, and I can press yes to accept the connection21:16
Wizzup__note that there is _no_ actual crash****21:16
kerioalso, do you have another bluetooth device that supports keyboards?21:16
kerio*device with bluetooth21:16
keriofreemangordon: *poke*21:18
Wizzup__kerio: possibly, yes. I can try my laptop but I don't think I really did BT with it21:19
kerioWizzup__: this is so we can rule out any quirkyness of your keyboard21:19
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Wizzup__btw, I think it is this one (I was surprised it worked at all)
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keriowhy shouldn't it work? it's a bluetooth HID keyboard21:24
keriothey should Just Work™21:24
Wizzup__kerio: Well, I guess. But initially it took me a _long_ time to figure out it had to be a 6 digit PIN21:25
Wizzup__Instead of the (default, afaik) 4 digit pin21:25
keriothat's a weird thing... it shouldn't be21:25
Wizzup__I just think there's something not being activated on the n900 on reconnect21:26
kerioi can pair my keyboard with a 1-digit pin21:26
Wizzup__Since it is the KB that is reinitiating the connection rather than the phone, maybe?21:26
kerioalso, what's opening the connection? the keyboard or the n900?21:26
keriotry connecting from the n90021:26
Wizzup__OK, but the keyboard tries to connect hehe21:28
Wizzup__Maybe I can make the n900 ``hidden''21:28
Wizzup__kerio: connecting from the phone gives me ``Connection failed to <DEVICE>''21:29
kerioWizzup__: enter the "pairing mode" on the keyboard and connect again21:30
keriomaybe the keyboard just forgets it's paired21:30
Wizzup__Are there some debugging tools?21:31
Wizzup__dmesg doesn't show anything21:31
Wizzup__I'd like to know that the n900 state is21:31
Wizzup__It says ``connected''21:31
kerioinstall sysklogd and klogd, add "-d" to the bluetoothd command line in /etc/event.d/bluetoothd, stop and start bluetoothd21:31
Wizzup__That sounds good, I will do this in a bitr21:31
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DocScrutinizer05my headset never makes N900 ask me if I want to connect when I power it up, it simply is connected as soon as I do21:36
keriomine too, i set it as "authorized" or whatever21:37
kerioto be fair that's kind of a stupid thing21:38
DocScrutinizer05that's the 'trick'21:38
kerioanything can connect to your n900 by spoofing the BT MAC21:38
Wizzup__DocScrutinizer05: @ ask, I set it to not be ``trusted'' so I saw what was happenning.21:38
Wizzup__(so I can press yes/no to accept conns)21:38
DocScrutinizer05@ ask ??21:38
Wizzup__20:36 < DocScrutinizer05> my headset never makes N900 ask me if I want to connect when I power it up, it simply is connected as soon as I do21:38
Wizzup__> ask21:38
Wizzup__kerio: also, it seems that pressing ``no'' on the dialog still connects :) hehe21:39
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: you want that stuff implemented you have to talk to reggie, otoh uploading or sharing zips... ppl still falling for that joke?21:39
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: nfc21:39
DocScrutinizer05anyway, nuke the thread please21:40
chem|stoh sry over the time I forgot we deal with dumb users still21:40
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: the thread seems nuked to me... following the link ended up in "no post here, admin might removed it"21:40
DocScrutinizer05sure, user posts:1 thanks:0 no text in post and just a zip attachment. Still it's working sometimes21:41
DocScrutinizer05yeah, already vanished21:42
DocScrutinizer05can't be more than 30min ago21:42
DocScrutinizer05 seems not banned though21:43
DocScrutinizer05ooh, he is21:43
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chem|stbtw there is a reason why there is the "Report This" link on every post! and no it is not just to make you feel save reading it... for starters... move your pointer over it (exactly! use your mouse to do that!) and click it... magix will happen if you complete the quest comming up and you might get candy for it some day21:44
Wizzup__kerio: can I also just start bluetoothd with the flag?21:45
Wizzup__(so I don't need klogd etc)21:45
DocScrutinizer05where's my candy? ;-P21:45
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chem|stDocScrutinizer05: you had enough already!21:45
kerioWizzup__: the log is in syslog21:46
chem|stmaybe we should get some more people moderating that shithole!21:46
kerioask luf, he'll know better21:46
Wizzup__kerio: I see, running it standalone in debug mode certainly doesn't work21:47
Wizzup__(it prints nothing extra)21:47
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: i got back my N900 with a fixed usb port by Nokia care21:48
DocScrutinizer05trumee: INCREDIBLE21:48
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: was charged only £30 which wasnt bad21:49
DocScrutinizer05sounds fair21:49
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: in the mean time i bought a Note 2 too :)21:49
keriotrumee: >:C21:50
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trumeeand Csipsimple on  android is very very nice.21:50
DocScrutinizer05nananaaahna I don't hear you (putting fingers into ears)21:50
trumeevery nice zrtp/srtp support and flawless sip calls21:50
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trumeealthough there is nothing as nice as xchat on android, and biggest feature i miss is scp/sftp support so i cant use kde to drop files over using fish21:53
filhas anyone compiled git-annex for Maemo? (and if not, how about haskel?) ((and if not, what's the simplest way to run git-annex on an n900?))21:53
Drathirsomthing interesting happen when not be here?21:57
DocScrutinizer05Chanlog:  ;-)21:57
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: thanks other way have session in screen but what i see yoy all guys writa a lot of msg...21:58
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: we should, first of all, get a statement from reggie about his plans when Nokia ramps down sponsoring21:58
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: would you, as a moderator, have a direct line to ask him if he's willing to continue hosting tmo?22:00
Drathirbut nices log colorfull ^^22:00
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ...since nobody is interested in changing things, if they can stay as they are22:01
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: if he needs other funding to continue tmo after Nokia hits the road, we should talk about that22:02
DocScrutinizer05I'd be surprised to learn he's not interested in tmo anymore, when Nokia stops funding. Money is money, you either get the amount you need or not.22:03
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Wizzup__kerio: it seems that when I start pair (not paired yet), state is: handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER ; then, when paired, state is: handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER AUTH ENCRYPT ; then, when I turn off, wait a bit, and turn on, accept conn22:05
Wizzup__state is: handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER22:05
keriofreemangordon: you know about BT keyboards, right?22:05
Wizzup__kerio: fiddling around a bit with hcitool (hcitool auth <addr>) and hcitool enc <addr>) made it work22:09
kerioWizzup__: i wonder why that isn't enabled by default22:10
Wizzup__It is when the pin thing is done22:10
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keriotry figuring out a way to automatically enable those for a certain device22:11
Wizzup__maybe udev + script?22:13
kerionah, there's gotta be something in the bluez config22:17
DocScrutinizer05honestly, I think you should pair as trusted device, and it should 'just work'22:18
DocScrutinizer05non-trusted devices may not reconnect aiui22:18
Wizzup__DocScrutinizer05: I did pair it as a trusted device now22:18
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DocScrutinizer05maybe it's worth deleting the BT device (unpair), and do the whole pairing from scratch again22:19
Wizzup__DocScrutinizer05: that is the only way to get it work in the first place.22:20
Wizzup__(every time)22:20
Wizzup__That's the issue.22:20
Wizzup__Please tell me what the issue is22:21
DocScrutinizer05you said the kbd triggers a requester on you N900. that's not supposed to happen when both devices never heard of each other22:21
Wizzup__DocScrutinizer05: that was before I re-paired, and I also gave the motivation behind this move22:21
DocScrutinizer05do you think the motivation changes something in the way the CPU executes the program?22:22
Wizzup__You need to-read what I said or stop mocking me22:22
DocScrutinizer05got better things to do than "to mock you"22:23
Wizzup__Well, making fun of me even though I already tried the exact steps you suggested (as you can see by what I read) is something I see as mocking22:23
infobotWizzup__ meant: Well, making fun of me even though I alwrotey tried the exact steps you suggested (as you can see by what I read) is something I see as mocking22:24
Wizzup__infobot: I'll append a 2 next time22:24
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DocScrutinizer05>>This page was last modified on 2 March 2011, at 15:18<<22:47
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: can i get a cloak?22:55
DocScrutinizer05maemo/community/kerio, why not22:55
kerioi want maemo/community/troll/kerio23:05
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filBTW What's the state of the art with n900 SIP calls? -- are they still expected to be pretty horrid, or has the problem been found & fixed?23:23
fil(I've not looked into this for a year or so, but had no luck trying to get decent calls with my n900 talking to freeswitch last time I looked)23:24
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DocScrutinizer05I had pretty good quality SIP calls since beginning, others not so much. And there's no known fix yet, not even a known problem23:26
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filyeah -- I have decent quality for a while (30s?) then a load of drop-out, then sometimes it gets it's act together, others it becomes completely unusable, occasionally I get good quality with a big round trip delay23:30
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: but i have problem with sip...23:35
Drathirbut not sure server or phone side...23:36
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Drathirbut also can do xmpp calls thats is nice option...23:51
Drathirgood alternative to skype...23:52
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DocScrutinizer05:-/    835M    /home/jr/.local/share/
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DocScrutinizer05incredible how kmailcvt can use 5GB of ram for importing 835M of mails23:58

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