IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-11-11

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vi_has anyone mirrored the nokai binary repos?00:17
RzRbut we can not legally publish it00:22
SpeedEvilwell, you can in 2202 or so...00:25
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RzRSpeedEvil, then the world is safe, time to go for a 200 year hibernation00:27
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Luke-Jris it gone already?00:28
RzR#define it00:28
vi_RzR: but people can still use them?00:28
Luke-Jrif not, is there a simple script to download a mirror?00:28
Palikerio, I updated deb packages of rx51-bme-replacement:
RzRLuke-Jr, is gone00:29
Palithere was problem in dsme plugin (it was bad compiled)00:29
Paliand added fixed syslog support to other packages00:29
Luke-JrRzR: how about N900 stuff? :P00:30
vi_Is there an easy way for people to create mirrors of the closed stuff?00:30
vi_People who DNGAF if it is legal or not?00:31
Paliyou can apt-mirror all maemo or harmattan repositorie00:32
Palion that page are *all* repositories00:32
Palifree, non-free, nokia binaries and armel for device too00:32
vi_Pali: ty00:33
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vi_MrPingu: o/00:34
Paliping merlin199100:35
DocScrutinizer05mirrors of all maemo repositories been created and maintained since long, there's no particular interest from Nokia to stop this it seems00:35
MrPinguVi_: evening00:36
DocScrutinizer05Pali: thanks! :-)00:36
DocScrutinizer05real concern is about wiki right now I'd think00:36
PaliDocScrutinizer05, do you know where is X-Fade?00:37
merlin1991Pali: pong00:37
Palican he fix wiki?00:37
DocScrutinizer05Pali: seems x-fade is the one to fix wiki, and no I don't know where he is but heard he's been not that available during last week00:38
Palimerlin1991, is maemo5 or harmattan sdk mirror prepared on server?00:39
DocScrutinizer05ivgalvez and woody already contacted him afaik00:39
Paliso will he want to fix it?00:39
merlin1991Pali: yep00:39
DocScrutinizer05he's supposed to00:39
Palior is he going to turn off maemo?00:40
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DocScrutinizer05andre__ looked into it but hasn't enough permissions to do the needed fixing, whatever it might be00:40
DocScrutinizer05for now there are scripts to do some wiki backup afaik00:41
DocScrutinizer05sth to wget all pages from special_pages:all00:42
DocScrutinizer05the mediawiki utself is a mysql database that's not exactly simple to backup the raw data from00:42
Palibtw, what happened to server ?00:42
DocScrutinizer05never heard of that00:43
Palithere was public svn repository00:43
Paliof hildon and other projects...00:43
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M4rtinKbtw, might be useful to also dump the wiki syntax for articles, if possible01:02
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GeneralAntillesCircling the drain ever more tightly.01:10
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M4rtinKyeah, its bad if you can't host some fairly niche services anymore01:12
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: context?01:14
GeneralAntillesteotwaki, Maemo sites closing down.01:15
GeneralAntillesharmattan-dev, etc.01:15
teotwakiNeed a mirror?01:15
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05 is probably the guy to ask01:17
teotwakiI've got a dual core (very little RAM available) with some 800GB, and a quad core with 400GB and roughly 1GB of RAM available.01:17
GeneralAntillesDear And Glorious Leader01:17
teotwakiunlimited bandwidth for both, 100Mbit link01:17
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GeneralAntillesMirrors for stuff.01:23
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: sounds mad useful01:23
SpeedEvilindeed teotwaki01:23
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: could you set up according to *all* for a start?01:24
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DocScrutinizer05I'd hope 800GB is about enough storage for that01:24
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DocScrutinizer05might even leave some space for a wiki backup, if I ever (find someone who knows where to) find that perl(?) script to wget all shite from wiki.maemo.org01:25
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: the quad core with 400GB runs a full debian mirror01:26
teotwakiwhich is 600GB roughly01:26
SpeedEvilwiki is annoying to mirror. :'(01:26
DocScrutinizer05we'll for sure lose history01:26
DocScrutinizer05but then, history isn't THAT important for most wiki pages01:27
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teotwakido I need to patch apt-mirror?01:27
DocScrutinizer05it seems there are already 95 others doing a wiki wget *01:28
DocScrutinizer05response times are worse than usual even for weekends01:28
GeneralAntillesHow in the world would this not be prepped for?01:30
GeneralAntillesand how would Nokia just start shutting off without notification. . .01:30
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: I'm not suspecting any intentional shutdown01:30
DocScrutinizer05just usual bitrot that doesn't see maintenance to fix shit01:31
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: no idea, don't think so according to that apt-mirror wikipage01:31
DocScrutinizer05just concatenate all the white boxes on that page and place them into the apt config file? maybe check for redundancies or conflicts regarding the initial env setup in each of the boxes01:33
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: I can host everything in the same repo? No conflicting repo names?01:33
DocScrutinizer05eeew >>Mirroring is not possible with current apt-mirror version because nokia server needs to receive Basic HTTP Authentication via HTTPS protocol and apt-mirror does not support it.<<01:34
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: honestly, no faintest clue. I never looked into all that before01:34
teotwakiI'm going to try on the quad core01:34
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teotwakiit's a dedicated mirror host01:34
teotwakithe dual core is a dev machine (firestarter project)01:35
teotwakiit also happens to run my seedbox... :P01:35
DocScrutinizer05though: >>This problem was reported in ubuntu bug #1015131 with patch apt-mirror-https.patch<<01:36
povbotBug was not found.01:36
DocScrutinizer05shutup povbot01:36
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DocScrutinizer05seems that wiki 'mirror' script I can't recall details of been based on
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Skrystatic mirroring should be possible with wget without any scripts, I suppose it's impossible to gain access to db itsel?01:48
SkryI would also love to offer some hosting but I have only 10Mbit up so kind of pointless.01:49 - probably -
DocScrutinizer05Skry: ever tried to do a braindead wget of more than nesting-level=0 wikipages?01:50
SkryI think I tried few years back, resulted in a complete mess but at least the data was somewhat there :D01:51
DocScrutinizer05I actually did, on another mediawiki. The size was about 100 times that of the original data, thanks to back-links, special pages, circular links01:51
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trumeeso is jolla going to release hardware specs on 21st Nov?01:52
trumeeor will it be simply unveiling sailfish?01:53
SpeedEvilgood question01:53
Palionly OS01:54
PaliHW will be after november01:54
nox-lets hope they dont use aegis...01:55
trumeehmm, too late for me. The Note II looks tempting.01:56
SpeedEvilsimilarly n401:56
DocScrutinizer05tbh I'm not excited about jolla anymore. They're perpetuating the Nokia practice of "develop behind closed doors, even down in the souterrain, then eventually throw stuff over the wall"01:56
SpeedEvilI'm holding off for at least a few months01:56
SpeedEviland yes01:56
SpeedEvilI agree yuk01:57
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, let 'em announce a platform before you decide that. :P01:57
trumeealthough nobody replied to my questions,
GeneralAntillesBesides, it's certainly going to be better than Android.01:57
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trumeeGeneralAntilles: the only app i really care about is a commercial satnav program. otherwise if Jolla doesnt offer that, will have to give it a miss :(01:59
trumeeSygic even with its random crashes has been ok on N90002:00
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: lots of 404's02:00
teotwakion the fremantle opera stuff02:01
trumeeSpeedEvil: n4 doesnt have microsd?02:01
DocScrutinizer05what's n4?02:01
* trumee hopes that sip is usable on Jolla unlike in N90002:02
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: just ignore them?02:02
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: nexus 402:02
DocScrutinizer05trumee: thanks02:02
teotwakitrumee: no, no expansion ports on the n402:02
DocScrutinizer05trumee: I'm using SIP all the time with N900 and even N810, works just fine for me02:03
trumeeteotwaki: that sucks02:03
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trumeeDocScrutinizer05: very unreliable for me. that is one of the reasons of going to android. They have two excellent programs, sipdroid and csipsimple which even support srtp02:04
DocScrutinizer05hmm, don't see how srtp makes stuff more stable02:04
DocScrutinizer05btw probably srtp is a deadend design02:05
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: it is stable because freepbx devs actually use android02:05
trumeeDocScrutinizer05: and srtp is a additional functionality not present on N90002:05
DocScrutinizer05I know what's SRTP02:06
DocScrutinizer05I gzuess02:06
DocScrutinizer05and I think it's inferior to ZRTP02:06
trumeethats a moot point since maemo doesnt support zrtp02:07
trumeeand csipsimple seems to support zrtp02:07
DocScrutinizer05well, whatever you define as moot point then02:07
povbotBug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem?02:08
DocScrutinizer05since N900 also doesn't support SRTP, how's that not a moot point?02:08
Paliwhat is that srtp?02:08
Palisome closed stupid think?02:08
trumeethats recording from my freepbx server ivr02:08
trumeePali: encryption for sip calls02:08
DocScrutinizer05RealTimeProtocol, Secure02:08
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trumee s/freepbx/freeswitch02:09
DocScrutinizer05and Zimmerman02:09
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DocScrutinizer05~wiki zrtp02:11
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'ZRTP' is a cryptographic key-agreement protocol to negotiate the keys for encryption between two end points in a Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) phone telephony call based on the Real-time Transport Protocol. It uses Diffie-Hellman key exchange and the Secure Real-time Transport Protocol (SRTP) for encryption. ZRTP was developed by Phil Zimmermann, with help from Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn ...02:12
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* trumee handed over his N900 to Nokia Care for usb repair today02:13
merlin1991trumee: that's never coming back ;)02:13
trumeeN95 sip is excellent and works very will with my server where N900 fails02:13
trumeemerlin1991: it is out of warranty, so should be ok.02:14
DocScrutinizer05hmm, good point02:14
DocScrutinizer05let's hope they're not kind02:15
DocScrutinizer05for goodwill we replaced your N900 by a 331002:15
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: important or not?02:17
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: it's making apt-mirror fall over02:18
DocScrutinizer05never heard of it02:18
DocScrutinizer05well, comment out everything that fails02:18
DocScrutinizer05contains one jq837urw file02:19
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teotwaki--2012-11-11 01:23:47--
teotwakiReusing existing connection to
teotwakiHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 504 Gateway Time-out02:23
teotwaki2012-11-11 01:24:21 ERROR 504: Gateway Time-out.02:23
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merlin1991harmattan-dev in its whole is down atm02:25
Paliteotwaki, harmattan is down02:25
teotwakiso whole harmattan-dev?02:26
teotwakimerlin1991 & Pali ^02:26
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's why there's a general sense of "let's mirror whatever still available" now02:30
teotwakisome Source files are invalid02:34
teotwakiagain, making apt-mirror crapping out02:34
teotwakinow I have to weed through a 100 files trying to find the one that's got shit in it02:35
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merlin1991yeah there are some md5sum mismatches in the -extras repo aswell02:41
merlin1991though apt-mirror happily dl those for me02:41
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RzRgot full archive ?02:53
RzR The Community Groups Service has been discontinued.02:54
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teotwakimerlin1991: the chinook source files were dead for me03:01
teotwakimerlin1991: downloading 200GB of archives now.03:01
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teotwaki11.7MB/s, not bad.03:03
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: ^03:04
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RzRteotwaki, thx03:13
teotwakiRzR: my pleasure03:15
RzRsome pple have harmattan backups too03:16
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teotwakiRzR: can you post to that thread, with a link to the above mirror?03:25
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: great! many thanks! :-)03:25
teotwakiRzR: I'll have someone post whenever the clone is finished, looking at the speed, should be tomorrow03:25
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RzRteotwaki, sure03:26
RzRteotwaki, added
teotwakilinux mint mirror, and now maemo mirror ;) cool03:29
RzRi am wget it03:30
RzRis this legal ?03:30
teotwakiwho cares03:30
teotwakilike Nokia is actually going to annoy anyone with stuff they're deleting from their servers03:30
RzRwell the future of our community depends on the possibility of doing legal stuff03:31
RzRi am thinking about a fundation etc03:31
Snafu777What future03:31
RzRSnafu777, shut up please03:31
RzRno offence03:31
RzRbut i am enough w/ bad news03:31
Snafu777Stephen Elop is a dumbass03:31
Snafu777and dont tell me to shutup03:31
teotwakichill guys03:32
Snafu777He's the reason there aint no damn future...03:32
Snafu777The dude went with a microsoft platform03:32
RzRreally  ?03:32
RzRi am not aware of that03:32
teotwakiSnafu777: he's an ex microsoft exec, what did you expect?03:32
Snafu777Nokias demise can be thanked to the CEO03:32
Snafu777I wouldnt be surprised if someone bought em out03:32
Snafu777and soon03:32
Snafu777check out their stock performance over 5 yrs03:33
Snafu777Nokia politics aside, anyone here play with an N900?03:33
RzRif microsoft were that dangerous we would all know about it03:33
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Snafu777microsoft  and apple, same breed03:33
Snafu777They dont believe in free and open source03:33
teotwakiapple doesn't believe in free software?03:34
Snafu777Is this conversation serious?03:34
RzRseems not03:34
teotwakiOh shit, better not use BSD unices, or cups ;)03:34
Snafu777Anyone here own a N900?03:35
teotwakiSnafu777: I own 3.03:35
SpeedEvilSnafu777: just one.03:35
merlin1991Snafu777: no way you're on the #maemo channel which is the specific os only used on the n900 and expect people to actually own a n900?03:35
SpeedEvilnot only03:36
RzRteotwaki, i plan to upload some srcs to cobs to check if they can build on harmattan03:36
teotwakimerlin1991: your server is slow :03:36
merlin1991teotwaki:  dafuq?03:36
Snafu777U can put an OS on any phone merlin03:36
teotwakiam only getting 5MBit from it03:36
Snafu777Just cuz its maemo doesnt mean its restricted to the n90003:37
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: that's nonsense03:37
merlin1991SpeedEvil: hit me if I'm wrong, but os2008 and friends didn't have codenmae maemo but diablo and different stuff03:37
merlin1991teotwaki: what are you doing to my server?03:37
teotwakiSnafu777: in about 2 minutes, I'm about to kick you out of this channel for being such a troll03:37
Snafu777So that's why I got proxychains working on the N900 and dhcp3-server03:37
Snafu777Go for it, fuck u buddy03:37
teotwakimerlin1991: archiving it03:37
merlin1991why? :D03:37
merlin1991why don't you rape the official repo? :D03:37
teotwakimerlin1991: I am, at 80MBit/s03:37
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DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: second warning, this time from me03:38
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merlin1991teotwaki: quite possibly lighttpd isn't configured for high throughput :D03:38
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: I guess when your server is in that wiki page list for apt-mirror then that's the reason03:41
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merlin1991that's only -devel and -thumb in that list, together quite somall :D03:41
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RzRmerlin1991, hi
RzRmerlin1991, could you mirror that too ?03:42
merlin1991the wiki I could mirror, but I have no proper tool03:43
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RzRwell let's create a basic backup and archive file03:44
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teotwakimerlin1991: what else should be archived?03:45
teotwakimerlin1991: other than -devel and -thumb?03:45
merlin1991from my server? nothing03:45
RzRharmattan dev03:45
teotwakiRzR: if you've got a url I can DL it from, sure03:46
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merlin1991I do have tar.gz from the harmattan-dev developer library03:46
RzRwelcome back Snafu77703:46
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merlin1991(it had a page to dl images)03:46
Snafu777Seems that I have a "difference" of opinion from a couple people here...03:46
Snafu777So my apologies....03:46
RzRsome pple said to have backup of h-d03:46
DocScrutinizer05RzR: that whole thread on sounds just like mere panic mode03:47
teotwakiI still have 1TB of disk space on my two main servers03:47
teotwakiso feel free to PM me repos I should add to my list03:47
RzRthis will be usefull soon or later03:47
DocScrutinizer05RzR: at least there's no statement from nokia in it? just questions and requests03:47
RzRbut the attack on oss from ms is kinda possible03:48
RzRlook what happended w/ novel03:48
RzRthis is not the day03:48
merlin1991btw teotwaki any reason why you didn't make the dists/ folders avaiable in your mirror?03:48
teotwakimerlin1991: I just used apt-mirror, what you see is what it's spitting out03:49
merlin1991it spits a dists folder out too ;)03:49
merlin1991for each folder you should have pool and dists03:50
teotwakimerlin1991: don't forget it's still syncing03:50
teotwakionly 30GB out of 20003:51
merlin1991ah yeah true index are exported last03:51
merlin1991nice, somebody is trying to bruteforce my ssh password again03:52
merlin1991won't they ever stop?03:52
teotwakimerlin1991: move your ssh port to something random03:52
teotwakisomething like 3212303:53
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merlin1991weirdly enough it's always the mailserver box from some $cheapo domain03:53
merlin1991seems people never update their postfix/whatever and get ssh scan zombis on regular basis03:53
DocScrutinizer05pop3 scanned like mad on my box03:56
merlin1991hm the best thing though is, that they don't even brute force root but rather random user names03:56
DocScrutinizer05yeah, always same nonsense03:56
merlin1991hm shouldn't sshd have some sort of delay after a certain count of attempts?03:57
DocScrutinizer05my syslogs on some days are 10 times larger than usual03:57
DocScrutinizer05duh, nope03:57
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merlin1991du -hs /var/log 236M /var/log03:58
teotwakiseriously,  moving sshd to a random port has removed every single scan attemt03:58
merlin1991my problem is, that I have normal people using the server aswell03:58
merlin1991I don't trust 50% of them to be able to enter a custom ssh port :D03:59
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teotwakirZr: belgian?04:01
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: (move 22) yep, doing this since ages04:02
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: if they can't enter the port, they probably shouldn't be allowed to enter anything to the shell commandline either04:03
merlin1991but they might use a gui tool for scp ;)04:04
DocScrutinizer05after all it's easy to specify the port, even in PuTTY04:04
merlin1991uh putty is a pain04:04
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merlin1991teotwaki: to put you into perspective: 113G for extras extras-devel cssu and cssu-stable04:05
DocScrutinizer05there's a script/daemon I forgot the name of, which denies any access from IP addr that tried some attack04:06
DocScrutinizer05kinda auto blacklist04:06
merlin19915.7 G for the maemo sdk, 7.7 for the harmattan sdk04:07
merlin1991and another 19G for the various SSU repos04:07
teotwakimerlin1991: to put it in perspective04:07
merlin1991linux mint debian?04:07
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merlin1991and 47G for the pre maemo stuff04:08
DocScrutinizer05seems we got a nice family meeting here, btw04:09
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles, teotwaki aka crashanddie, merlin1991, me...04:10
merlin1991iptables -A INPUT -s -j DROP    take that friggin scanner scum ;)04:10
teotwakimerlin1991: syncing LMDE took nearly 48 hours, because their server was so dead04:11
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05:  what kind of dysfunctional family do we form?04:11
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: I think that tarpit(?) script actually did sth like that, just that it picked the source IPs from syslog04:11
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: must be the Bundy's04:11
Snafu777merlin1991: why not honeypot the sshd?04:12
teotwakithere's a nice script (greypit?) that basically doubles the login delay for every failed attempt04:12
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Snafu777or force key usage?04:12
DocScrutinizer05that's it04:12
teotwakiI'm going to sign off04:12
teotwaki3AM here04:12
merlin1991hm google finds nothing on greypit04:12
merlin1991teotwaki: here aswell ;)04:13
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: o/04:13
DocScrutinizer05here too ;-)04:13
Snafu777why not use keys for yer sshd merlin1991?04:13
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: you think he doesn't04:13
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merlin1991Snafu777: that still doesn't stop $stupid scanner to try a bazzillion different user / key combos04:13
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Snafu777If u only allow keys...?04:14
Snafu777My sshd is set to only allow keys, and therefore they could bruteforce all they want with no attempt to login,,,,04:14
merlin1991Snafu777: keys only is in the protocoll level I'd still get a syn ack ... and the first hello message for each attempt04:14
Snafu777So if yer using keys and keys only, then why do u even care about bruteforce?04:15
DocScrutinizer05it spams our syslog04:15
DocScrutinizer05using out bandwidth04:15
Snafu777So fight back then?04:15
merlin1991because traffic, syslog spam, and the rage that $random muppet tries to haxx0r my server04:16
Snafu777So why not fight back?04:16
Snafu777Honeypot it up04:16
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: fail2ban might be the one we're looking for04:16
teotwakior denyhosts04:16
DocScrutinizer05now I'm sure he said 2fail2ban"04:17
teotwakithere's greylist also04:17
teotwakiand greyfix (greylisting for postfix)04:17
Snafu777So why not fight back merlin1991?04:18
DocScrutinizer05nah, fail2ban been what a sysop suggested to me04:18
teotwakiSnafu777: because fighting back is useless04:18
Snafu777How so?04:18
teotwakiSnafu777: basically, you're fighting ghosts: machines that have already been compromised.04:18
DocScrutinizer05it's like this conversation04:19
Snafu777So find the info needed to tell u who the owner of the box is04:19
teotwakiThe owner of the machine doesn't know what's happening, he's just a blistering idiot who doesn't know how to securely setup a server, but he's not guilty of anything04:19
Snafu777and inform them04:19
DocScrutinizer05short "attack" - lots of effort to answer04:19
teotwakiand on Doc's wise words04:19
DocScrutinizer05result: zarro04:19
DocScrutinizer05n8 teotwaki04:20
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M4rtinKnight :)04:20
DocScrutinizer05I ran a script I called nmaptheidiots for a while04:22
DocScrutinizer05it triggered an nmap against each machine doing anything rogue to my home IP04:23
DocScrutinizer05funny to watch, but result = 004:23
DocScrutinizer05just using up more resources04:23
SpeedEvilmake a compromisable shell, then try to log in to the attacker using the uploaded credential04:24
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DocScrutinizer05one result though: most of those machines been windows boxes and had a lot of open ports04:24
Skryno idea if this is necessary but I'm downloading xml export of the wiki with history, does someone want it when it's finished?04:25
merlin1991Skry: doesn't that run per page?04:26
merlin1991or can you dump everything at once?04:26
SkryI grabbed all the pages from AllPages and did some grep and sed magic -> xclip -> Export page04:26
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: yeah! then start a clone of that on the hax0r'd machine, so any attack against that machine will spread the antivirus. and after some days (configurable) do a rm -rf /*/*04:27
DocScrutinizer05Skry: how you're doing that?04:28
DocScrutinizer05Skry: and sure, I'd love to get it04:28
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DocScrutinizer05aaah, you wrote your own script04:29
merlin1991Skry: when it's finished it would be great if you could tar that up and put it somewhere04:29
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DocScrutinizer05amazing what can be done on one afternoon :-D04:30
DocScrutinizer05rZr: one question though: why-o-why has this thread to be a *poll*?04:31
SkryI did wget --convert-links for pages in AllPages, then, cat ./* | grep -o '<a .*href=.*>' | sed -e 's/<a/\n<a/g' | sed -e 's/<a .*href=['"'"'"]//' -e 's/["'"'"'].*$//' -e '/^$/ d' | grep http\:\/\/\/ |  sed 's/^http\:\/\/\///' | sed '/index.php/d' | sed -n 'G; s/\n/&&/; /^\([ -~]*\n\).*\n\1/d; s/\n//; h; P' | sort | xclip and pasted the result in export page04:32
DocScrutinizer05lemme documet that04:32
Skrymight have something not needed magic too, grabbed part of it from my snippets file, anyways, it gets the page names correctly04:34
DocScrutinizer05Skry: I noticed there are no categories in allpages04:34
DocScrutinizer05e.g. hardware:*04:35
DocScrutinizer05well, depending on your selection04:36
DocScrutinizer05I found none that's really giving *all* pages04:36
DocScrutinizer05seems namespace:(main)|talk|user|category is minimum we'd need04:38
DocScrutinizer05+ |category-talk04:38
Skrywell, that has everything listed by allpages, going at 256MB so far, so I guess it has at least something to read :)04:41
DocScrutinizer05category has ~ 10 times as many pages as (main)04:43
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DocScrutinizer05it seems04:44
DocScrutinizer05wait, what do you mean by "everything listed by allpages" ?04:44
DocScrutinizer05everything listed by any namespace of allpages?04:45
DocScrutinizer05or everything listed by default namespace:(main) only?04:46
Skrythose 6 links at , everything listed by them04:47
DocScrutinizer05that's about a few percent of what we need04:48
Skrywell, is there any page(s) which would have links to rest of the stuff?04:49
Skryok, I'm assuming I'm now downloading the (main) now, am I right?04:50
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SkryDocScrutinizer05: if I throw you text file with all the names, could you download the export? I'm on slow 3G currently and that would take forever apparently04:52
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DocScrutinizer05could do that04:52
Skryok, just a second04:52
DocScrutinizer05just need to find a way to do that on my server box, since I'm not eager to use my even slower-than-3G DSL line here for that04:54
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: could you help?04:54
merlin1991Skry: throw me the txt file and a lil hint for the right wget parameter :D04:54
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: >>... and pasted the result in export page04:55
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: >> not going todo that on a headless server ;)04:56
DocScrutinizer05that's exactly my problem04:56
merlin1991do we want the history?04:56
DocScrutinizer05if feasible04:56
DocScrutinizer05though that will make the wvolume explode04:57
DocScrutinizer05probably by factor 5004:57
merlin1991hm it's a simple post with curonly=1 and then all pages as a list04:58
DocScrutinizer05though it should compress nicely then ;-P04:58
DocScrutinizer05hey, I'm actually a tad tired meanwhile04:58
merlin1991and wpDownload = 1 aswell04:59
DocScrutinizer05could've known how to tackle it04:59
merlin1991gimme a sec04:59
merlin1991curl afaik has a nice post parameter04:59
DocScrutinizer05anyway df on my server is ~20G, so I'd prefer to dl it on a larger space05:00
DocScrutinizer05though... 20G might just suffice05:00
DocScrutinizer05btw there has to exist a damn script for ecactly all that05:02
DocScrutinizer05and you're aware those are XML content, so basically useless until imported to another wiki05:03
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merlin1991at least "easily" parseable :D05:03
merlin1991Skry: got anywhere with that file?05:04
DocScrutinizer05it's a bit of work to finish that05:04
DocScrutinizer05from e.g you need to follow the links, to collect the pieces05:05
Snafu777Anyone here get curl working for the n900?05:06
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: afaik curl is working on fremantle, yes05:07
Snafu777deb repo? not finding it searching like i am05:07
DocScrutinizer05there's been a patch for some SSL stuff iirc05:07
Snafu777Not showing in the maemo repos05:07
DocScrutinizer05  is your friend05:09
Skrymerlin1991: yeah, there are _lot_ of shit, i need to do some automation obviously, meanwhile, heres the main namespace, just paste everything in it to export page (link earlier) and download05:09
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: enable extras-devel repo, apt-cache search curl05:10
Snafu777lookin, hang tight, ill let u know if it works, i dont think it will as i tried the other night05:12
DocScrutinizer05apt-get install curl; disable extras-devel again05:12
Snafu777i think it required things that werent available, but i will let ya know05:13
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: curl -X POST -d curonly=1 -d wpDownload=1 --data-urlencode pages=@$FILEHERE
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: I gather you expect me to run that on my server now?05:14
merlin1991running it here now :D05:14
DocScrutinizer05ok :-D05:14
merlin1991just in case you wanted to know the command :D05:14
DocScrutinizer05sure, updating dat tmo post05:14
merlin1991hm not working though05:15
DocScrutinizer05I guess it still is not including the files05:16
DocScrutinizer05Skry beaten me on it05:17
merlin1991hm somehow it seems to foobar the request05:17
DocScrutinizer05probably too long argument05:19
lufDocScrutinizer05: I think curl is also in extras-testing and maybe even in extras. But if I remember it well the newest version is in CSSU-testing ;)05:19
DocScrutinizer05yep, and has some fix05:20
merlin1991dang such a small typo05:22
merlin1991but it only loaded 12m05:23
DocScrutinizer05mind to post the corrected version?05:23
DocScrutinizer05(about to edit that tmo post)05:24
merlin1991curl -X POST -d catname= -d curonly=1 -d wpDownload=1 --data-urlencode pages@$PAGESFILE -o $OUTFILE
merlin1991do we want the xml with or without history?05:25
DocScrutinizer05if that doesn't nuke your server storage05:27
merlin1991hm how can I set up a temporary quota for a folder?05:28
merlin1991never tired such a thing05:28
DocScrutinizer05dunno if the xml has the diffs or full versions05:28
DocScrutinizer05err, how about setting up a quota for a subshell?05:28
merlin1991or that05:28
* merlin1991 never worked with quotas before nfc what possibilities there are05:29
DocScrutinizer05should suffice05:29
merlin1991no manual entry for ulimit05:29
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DocScrutinizer05man bash05:30
merlin1991oh it's part of bash05:30
DocScrutinizer05I think quota have to be enabled on mount time05:30
merlin1991hm 400gb free space05:30
DocScrutinizer05true quota05:30
merlin1991should suffice05:31
Skrythis was a bitch..
Skryooooops dont use that05:35
Skryforgot subcategories, fuuuuu :D05:36
Skrygonna have a smoke first, then take 205:36
merlin1991hm with and without the curonly parameter the output is the same05:36
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DocScrutinizer05we *should* make a nice script outa all that05:38
merlin1991seems the curonly flag is for shits ang iggle only05:38
merlin1991hm wait05:38
* merlin1991 has an idea05:38
merlin1991the webform looks so bad already I bet curonly=0 has the same effect as curonly=1 you probably need NO curonly for history05:38
merlin1991suddenly there's data05:39
DocScrutinizer05nice catch05:39
DocScrutinizer05I bet it checks for "curonly=" ;-P05:40
merlin1991I bet It's a simple if(isset($_POST['curonly'])) { bla }05:40
DocScrutinizer05or that05:41
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merlin1991though you're right, that wiki probably relies on magic variables so it does somehting like if($curonly)05:41
merlin1991whover had the idea to automatically translate form input to variables in a global scope should be killed05:42
merlin1991it's php feature (with a huge DO NOT USE warning these days)05:42
DocScrutinizer05rather du -hs05:42
DocScrutinizer05"subject: hello dear new friend!  -  from: mama" SUUUURE05:44
merlin1991at least the internationalized the from field ;)05:45
DocScrutinizer05still no mail "inviting" me to council05:46
merlin1991btw is wiki editing still not working?05:46
DocScrutinizer05good question, I bet nobody ficed it yet05:46
DocScrutinizer05>>User account "Joerg rw" is not registered. Please check if you want to create/edit this page.<<05:47
merlin1991well without the categories pages we have 532 mb05:47
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merlin1991though the File: pages are rather err useless05:48
DocScrutinizer05gathered as much, you'll need to wget them directly I guess05:48
DocScrutinizer05file packed in XML? nah!05:48
merlin1991they don't even pack a link to the file :/05:49
merlin1991only the description05:49
SkryI'm getting the images too05:49
Skryforgot to put some ignore urls there so it looks like its fetching images currently05:50
merlin1991that's not over the export interface of the wiki though05:50
merlin1991all I got was a bazillion pages with File: somename that had info about the creator05:51
merlin1991the image content nowhere to be found05:51
Skrylooks like hitting the category page with recursive fetches images, docs and so on05:51
Snafu777curl: relocation error: curl: symbol curl_dostrdup, version CURL_OPENSSL_3 not defined in file with link time reference05:51
Snafu777any tricks Doc?05:51
merlin1991Skry: I only fed your data file into the export form from the wiki05:52
DocScrutinizer05trick: get the libcurl that matches curl05:53
merlin1991which in turn only gave image descriptions but no files05:53
Snafu777See what I meant?  Tricky to get curl working05:53
Skrymerlin1991: yeah, you can't get images etc in xml documents05:53
merlin1991Skry: they could go mental and put them there base64 encoded ;)05:54
Skryhaha, true :D05:54
DocScrutinizer05I *guess* removing 'File:' prefix will already yield a proper URL to file itself05:55
merlin1991it's kinda bad though, the exported 'File: somename' pages don't contain enough info to grab the actual image files05:55
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: nah ie File:ZipV2-48.png is
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: enable extras-devel; apt-get install --reinstall libcurl05:57
Skryskry@Arch ~/Temp/maemo_wiki_pt1 $ ls category/actual/newactual/
Skryso i guess there is some logic to get the correct image05:58
DocScrutinizer05Skry: sure, if they're referneced/linked on some page05:59
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: hm there's an "api" to retrieve the real url though05:59
merlin1991 gives some info including the the storage url05:59
* DocScrutinizer05 yawns a bit05:59
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merlin1991but I'm not going to write a script to grab that :D06:00
merlin1991btw DocScrutinizer05 you might want to add the info about ommiting curonly for history data to your post06:01
DocScrutinizer05next edit, when Skry has the categories file06:02
DocScrutinizer05(write a script) doesn't even render on my browser06:03
merlin1991what do you mean by doesn't even render?06:04
Snafu777lubcurl isnt available....this is ridiculous =)06:06
DocScrutinizer05    and TADAAAA
Snafu777Its okay though, Ill port it and let ya know how Doc =)06:06
Snafu777Hackin shit together is my speciality06:06
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: seems you found yet another api to check the full path :D06:07
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: (doesn't render) blank page, requester "open with... / save as...."06:07
merlin1991yeah it's about 10 lines of text though06:07
merlin1991but comes as application/something thus not rendered06:07
merlin1991but yours is actually better06:08
merlin1991because it directly returns the file ( I mean )06:08
merlin1991it maps directly to$SOMEFILE which returns the binary data06:10
DocScrutinizer05so will this facilitate a script to download files?06:12
Skryoh great, by the looks of the filenames some andy has his vacation pictures from amsterdamn on wiki :D06:12
Skrythis might take awhile06:13
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: I'd have to parse the content of my Files.xml and bulk dl :D06:13
DocScrutinizer05(Amsterdam) might be a maemo meeting06:16
merlin1991damn, I have no idea how an xml sax parser works06:18
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DocScrutinizer05you're using what?06:19
merlin1991I always use mighty dom parsers and query them with xpath :D06:19
DocScrutinizer05is there sth like `sax`?06:19
DocScrutinizer05wouldn't grep suffice? or sed/awk maybe? to create a joblist from a set of files06:20
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merlin1991but but I wanted to write an insanly complicated python script :/06:20
DocScrutinizer05I mean, they are rather similar structure, no?06:20
merlin1991I mean yes a simple grep >File:[^<]+ would suffice06:21
merlin1991together with a bit of cut06:21
Skryoh why in the name of fsck there is no "export all". what. they. were. thinking!06:24
merlin1991why does regex hate on me?06:25
Skryit hates everyone and everything06:25
merlin1991"<title>File:[^<]+</title>" should match on anything <title>File:sometext</title>06:26
merlin1991but it doesn't :/06:26
merlin19911614 image files06:30
merlin1991and my script is running06:32
Snafu777Bah humbug, curl is working but without SSL06:33
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: for shitz n giggls I did dl the images aswell06:34
DocScrutinizer05cool job06:35
merlin1991or actually am dl the images06:35
merlin1991since http has a HUGE overhead06:35
DocScrutinizer05(regex) escape!06:36
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: which part would need escaping?06:36
merlin1991< / : and > are simple characters in the global context, and to my knowledge < has no special meaning in a group either06:37
DocScrutinizer05prolly the <>, maybe :, dunno for sure06:37
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DocScrutinizer05anyway escaping is allowed anywhare06:37
DocScrutinizer05\c == c06:37
merlin1991funnily enough <title>File:.+</title>  works06:37
DocScrutinizer05unless c has a special meaning06:37
DocScrutinizer05also actually [] might need \06:38
DocScrutinizer05like () need \ in some falvor of regex06:39
merlin1991hm wait <title>File:.+</title> does not work <title>File:.*</title> works06:40
DocScrutinizer05there are simple regex and whatnot else, escaping is quite different between them06:40
DocScrutinizer05+ might need \06:40
merlin1991+ has a special meaning06:40
DocScrutinizer05don't ask me, it's as late here as at your place ;-)06:40
merlin1991wtf excaping + works06:41
merlin1991is bash going mental here?06:41
DocScrutinizer05nah, diff between simple and whatnot regex06:41
merlin1991because in the case of regex an escaped + would match a friggin + and not work as a control character06:41
DocScrutinizer05in the other flavor everything inverse06:42
DocScrutinizer05almost everything06:42
merlin1991basically <title>File:.\+</title> should match <title>File:$ONECHARHERE+</title>06:42
DocScrutinizer05( in one is \( in the other06:42
merlin1991ah well06:42
* merlin1991 blames grep06:42
merlin1991yeah egrep has the more sane approach to +06:43
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DocScrutinizer05extended versus simple regex06:43
merlin1991yeah but simple regex says anything escaped is said character06:44
merlin1991so it's a grep specific extension to simple regex06:44
merlin1991.... brainfuck06:44
DocScrutinizer05man grep|less +'/--extended-regexp'06:44
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merlin1991In basic regular expressions the meta-characters ?, +, {, |, (,  and  ) lose  their  special  meaning; instead use the backslashed versions \?,\+, \{, \|, \(, and \).06:46
* merlin1991 's brain is full of fuck06:46
DocScrutinizer05>> grep understands three different versions of regular expression syntax:       “basic,” “extended” and “perl.”<<06:46
merlin1991afaik all those meta characters are not part of basic regex at all06:47
merlin1991hence should match the character in escaped form06:47
DocScrutinizer05hmm, you might be right on that06:47
DocScrutinizer05so + doesn't work in grep, \+ is a gnu extension, and in egrep it's +06:48
DocScrutinizer05regex are mere fun ;-)06:51
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DocScrutinizer05epic:  >> GNU grep -E attempts to support traditional usage by assuming that { is       not  special  if  it  would  be  the  start  of  an  invalid   interval       specification.   For example, the command grep -E '{1' searches for the       two-character string {1 instead of reporting  a  syntax  error  in  the       regular  expression.  POSIX.2 allows this behavior as an extension, but       portable scripts should avoid it.<<06:53
merlin1991well curl just trolled me06:54
merlin1991there is a distinct option to follow http "redirectes" aka location headers06:54
* DocScrutinizer05 looks at man grep|less +'/sl= ' and ponders having a nap06:57
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DocScrutinizer05sth must be wrong with my logic processor, doesn't parse06:58
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DocScrutinizer05aaah, >> See  the  Select  Graphic  Rendition  (SGR)   section   in   the              documentation  of  the  text terminal<<07:01
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DocScrutinizer05>> NOTES       GNU's not Unix, but Unix is a beast; its plural form is Unixen.<<07:02
DocScrutinizer05Skry: you're still with us?07:03
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DocScrutinizer05[2012-11-11 04:36:25] <Skry> gonna have a smoke first, then take 207:05
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: or did I miss something?07:06
merlin1991he only said later that it might take a while07:06
DocScrutinizer05so we got all now, except categories?07:06
merlin1991just posting the images dl snippet07:07
SkryDocScrutinizer05: yeah, had to ctrl-c the recursive, finnish weather -> gprs, I'm currently doing little less deep wget07:07
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DocScrutinizer05recursive wget is a bitch for that problem, since it's always "next page" "next page"...07:08
merlin1991okay media dl snippet is in place aswell07:08
DocScrutinizer05there are only like 6 or 8 next pages though07:08
devilinsidehi Doc .. got another problem. while updating to cssu, its saying ssl connection timeout07:10
merlin1991well, I'm off for good, Skry higlight / pm me with the last txt when you've done it07:10
Skrymerlin1991: sure, might need to get some sleep first though07:11
Skry07:11 :S07:11
Skryfirst time I see sed doing cpu burning :D07:18
devilinsidehelp ssl connection timeout wen updating to cssu..07:24
DocScrutinizer05try again tomorrow07:29
DocScrutinizer05Skry: actually scratch that "6 or 8 pages" nonsense07:40
DocScrutinizer05there are even friggin sub-categories07:41
DocScrutinizer05with sub-categories DAFAQ07:41
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DocScrutinizer05seems those sub-categories are also listed on categories mainpage though07:43
Skryyeah, I noticed, on top to that, there are pages split into (next 200) etc, and wget keeps going in circles, and so on07:45
SkryI'm pretty sure I'm going to miss some entries but I would say having most is better thatn having nothing07:46
DocScrutinizer05HMMPF!! is under but also under (main)->
DocScrutinizer05so I wonder if we need sub-categories at all07:49
devilinsideSOLVED.. didn update using wifi.. had to use gprs07:49
DocScrutinizer05or if maybe those are just "directories" finally ending on a (main)-page leaf07:49
DocScrutinizer05devilinside: never heard of such problem resp such solution07:50
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SpeedEvil I thin I only did 2 levels of categories08:07
DocScrutinizer05Skry: merlin1991: wget deepth=1 should suffice08:07
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: there's actually only the URL above which has all the links needed to get08:08
DocScrutinizer05these are all category pages existing, and they link to other categories (same location) and to "leaf pages" which are in "(main)"08:09
DocScrutinizer05so single derefernciation is sufficient08:10
DocScrutinizer05wget and all the pages linked in there08:10
DocScrutinizer05well, for downloading we want file with list of pages from, to feed to the XML download API08:11
DocScrutinizer05this gives us XML of all "Category:*"08:12
DocScrutinizer05together with all files listed on "(main)" we get about 95%08:12
DocScrutinizer05rest is "File:*" and "User:*"08:13
DocScrutinizer05a lil bit of talk08:13
SkryI'll make one which has all entries I got and no duplicates08:14
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DocScrutinizer05I ponder to write a script08:20
Skryno quarantee theres even remotely all08:22
Skryit's been something like 8 years since I last touched bsd, now I just have to try since someone has put some effort on ArchBSD. Amazing, boots in second, 4 processes :)08:26
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991:  <- all "filenames" of Categories we need08:30
DocScrutinizer05sorry I didn't bother to sed out the redundancy and cruft08:32
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Skrymerlin1991: <- combined, in case you still need one08:43
Skryalmost forgot08:44
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: have you installed the bme replacement yet?11:38
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Cor-AiWielkiTost: dude!12:08
WielkiTostoops, sorry12:08
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amospallado you know if the instructions on installing cssu-thumb apply to a cssu-stable n900?, or only to plain without any cssu n900 ?12:17
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invariantHow does the proximity sensor actually work? I can only get it to activate with a  success rate of about 40% or so.12:20
invariantI have noticed that some newer Nokia phones can hang up on the caller by putting the phone down. Can the n900 also do that?12:21
kerioamospalla: they should apply nicely12:22
kerioamospalla: actually, even easier12:22
kerioamospalla: do you trust me?12:22
keriodisable the cssu stable repo, enable the cssu testing and cssu thumb repos, update from HAM12:22
kerioamospalla: actually12:25
keriodisable or delete the cssu stable repo, then follow the cssu-thumb instructions12:25
jon_ynothing like accidentally ending a call when you put down the phone to tend to something :)12:29
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amospallakerio: thanks, let's see if it does not explode12:34
kerioit's fairly important to use the .install file because the repos are enabled by community-ssu-enabler only if they're a perfect match12:35
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amospallaapplication manager is so slow... :/12:38
kerioif you have KP already you can use apt-get12:39
keriobut it's not sanctioned or supported12:39
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amospallayes, better the official route12:39
amospallastill waiting for catalogs to appear on application manager, how can that be so slow...12:40
kerionah, it's just that i know enough about the system to figure out if everything is going as it's supposed to :)12:40
kerioand i can recover, most importantly12:41
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amospallainstalling right now :D12:45
amospallasystem idle, application manager responds interactivity, I can open menu, without waiting, I guess I must relaunch it12:49
amospallaiftop shows nothing downloading from anywhere12:50
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amospallaok, now12:53
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amospallaIm afraid :|13:15
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amospallathese upgrades scaries me a lot13:17
amospallamy beloved n900 :'(13:18
keriohaven't we been through this yesterday?13:18
amospallaoh god, its rebooting!!13:19
amospallayes, we reveiwed them :D13:20
amospallayeah, worked :D thanks13:21
freemangordonamospalla: what is that scary thing you're installing on your device?13:21
amospallaguess it ;D13:23
keriofreemangordon: we've got another victim!13:23
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kerioohai Pali13:24
kerioi installed the new versions this morning13:24
kerio(and i also removed the dpkg diversion i had on hald-addon-bme... whooops)13:24
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kerioPali: i'll report if anything bad happens13:26
kerioactually, let me start syslog13:26
SpeedEvil it'll never catch on. (1973 tomorrows world on the mobile)13:30
keriothat's a really interesting bit of history13:35
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kerioin the oneNAND, is there a difference between an erased page and an all-bits-1 page?13:39
SpeedEvilthey are the same thing13:43
SpeedEvilas I understand it.13:43
SpeedEvilan all bits 1 page has been erased, and then no bits written13:43
freemangordonPali: ping13:43
Palifreemangordon, pong13:43
freemangordonPali: can you verify for me:13:44
SpeedEvilactually, on reflection, I don't know if this is true for the ecc bits13:44
freemangordonsetup an alarm, power-off the device, wait for alarm to play13:44
freemangordonpress snooze13:44
SpeedEvilit wakes13:44
SpeedEvildunno what happens in that event13:44
freemangordonit the sound still play after snooze is pressed?13:44
infobotfreemangordon meant: is the sound still play after snooze is pressed?13:44
freemangordonPali: scratch that, I found the bug13:45
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freemangordonok, alarm UI should be fully functional, hopefully without bugs. Ready for testing13:53
freemangordonany volunteer?13:53
freemangordonkerio: ^^^13:53
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, we need to backup also:
Paliwget with recursively should work13:57
freemangordonPali: do we have closed stuff mirrored?13:57
Paliand also on merlin server13:58
freemangordonPali: scratch that14:01
freemangordonthe stuff is in /pool14:01
Palimirror is not my14:01
freemangordonok, ok14:01
freemangordonlooks fine14:01
Palialso need to backup madde:
Paliit contains qemu image of n90014:02
Paliusefull for testing something in virtuak14:02
freemangordonfirmware is mirrored I hope14:03
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Paliand what about backup of garage projects?14:09
Palimore are in git which can be easy by script14:10
Paliand some are in svn, so git svn clone can be used14:10
freemangordonPali: it will be great to clone garage, there are piles of useful stuff there14:11
freemangordonunfortunately I am not skilled enough to do that :(14:11
Paligit repo are here:
freemangordonbtw maybe we should ask board/council, there could be some background job going on in that regard14:12
M4rtinKIMO, better safe than sorry :)14:13
freemangordonPali: damn, KP is on garage :D:D:D14:13
Paliyes :-)14:13
Palibut I have local git clone of cource14:13
Palithis is usefull :-)14:14
freemangordonM4rtinK: sure, but it makes no sense to do the same job twice14:14
Palieach garage git repo has url:<project>14:14
Paliand all projects in text file is on
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RzRthen we can synch ourselves on that previous wiki page14:16
RzRand let me suggest to create single archive files to be updated until Doom day14:17
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PaliRzR, I can create easy shell script for git garage backup14:18
Pali$ wget -O project_index && for p in `cat project_index`; do GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1 git clone$p; done14:18
Palithis should work ^^^14:18
RzRthen tell about it14:19
freemangordonPali: do you have enough free space?14:19
RzRie :
PaliI cannot find EDIT button on that wiki14:19
RzRwe can move repo to gitorious ?14:19
PaliRzR, maunal work14:19
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M4rtinKfreemangordon: of course, I also hope most of this gets properly resolved by Council/Board, but there is still the possibility of some clueless rm-happy Nokia admin somewhere14:20
PaliRzR, You do not have permission to edit this page14:20
RzRi have14:20
Palisorry I cannot do that14:20
M4rtinKso it could be too late for some resources when it is officially resolved14:20
RzRcould this a place for backups?14:21
RzRlet me create +maemo team14:21
PaliRzR, but you need to do that for every git repo14:21
Paliabove script download all git repo by one single script line14:21
RzRwell this can be scripted or crowsoruces14:21
PaliRzR, maybe create garage maemo team14:22
Palibut what to do with svn repos on garage?14:22
freemangordonPali: svn2git? merlin1991 has some knowledge afaik14:23
Paligit svn clone svn://repo14:23
Paliis working14:24
Palibut there is no easy way yo extract all svn repos from garage14:24
freemangordonthere is no list?14:25
RzRwe can relocate there
RzRlet me add you14:25
freemangordonRzR: yeah, add a couple of admins there14:26
RzRtell me yours ids14:26
Palithis is better for git cloning: git clone ssh://$p14:26
Palihttps is very slow on garage14:26
jon_yclone --mirror?14:27
Palijon_y, git clone will clone full git repo14:27
jon_ywell, you seem to want to mirror it, I thought it might be a good idea14:27
RzRthe council will hates us14:28
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RzRwe bypassed them14:28
PaliRzR, it is possible to create git repo in that team from shell?14:29
RzRPali, i guess yes , donno how14:29
RzRbut this can be scripted14:29
PaliRzR, ok how to create new repo (on web) for that team?14:30
PaliI did not see any create button14:30
RzRwe need to create a maemo project under +maemo team14:32
Palibetter garage-maemo14:32
freemangordonPali: you should create new project from your home page14:33
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Paliis garage-maemo ok?14:34
RzRlet me contact him ?14:34
Palimaemo-garage should be ok14:34
freemangordonyeah, sounds better14:35
RzRok then i let you doing this14:35
RzRjust sent14:36
RzRcan you join #maemo14:36
RzRand add +maemo team to this project14:36
RzRwe plan to relocate garage14:36
RzRSurvival backup place … may be temporary , until a “post #feb11” community is setup … hold on before comiting there .14:36
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PaliRzR, can you rename +maemo to +maemo-garage?14:37
freemangordonPali: why?14:37
freemangordonleave it that way14:37
RzRwe may manage more repo in the future14:40
RzRPali, have u set license : multiples?14:40
Paliyes, I do not know all garage licences14:41
RzRi checked fine14:41
RzRwe're efficient14:41
freemangordonis it possible to clone directly to gitorious?14:41
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freemangordonwithout making a local repo14:41
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freemangordonhmm, who is garage admin? some nokian?14:42
RzRfreemangordon, i where u have to script http requests14:49
Palifreemangordon, no14:49
Paligitorious does not support importing14:49
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M4rtinKRzR: if there was Fremantle target on COBS, we could do rzr:fremantle & import the Fremantle packages there :)14:53
freemangordonis COBS project still alive?14:53
RzRM4rtinK, yes14:54
RzRis thought about14:54
M4rtinKthe MeeGo COBS14:54
RzRI already set up home:rzr:maemo14:54
M4rtinKthe Fremantle COBS is not running at the moment IMHO14:54
RzRbut there is not builders yes14:54
RzRbut trying to build it on harmattan worth a try14:54
M4rtinKit got stalled by the need for overall migration IIRC14:55
RzRthat was on my plan , I'll do that once I backup that mirror14:55
M4rtinKit even mostly works :)14:55
M4rtinKgtk, etc.14:55
RzRthen will upload the #Floss dsc to cobs14:55
RzRM4rtinK, we miss hildon today14:55
M4rtinKRzR: - doesn't seem to be operational though14:57
RzRM4rtinK, one problem at the time ok ?14:58
M4rtinKperhaps using a soft-float Harmattan target might do it ?14:58
M4rtinKok :)14:58
RzRPali, so creating each project should be doable using wget14:58
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Pali^^^ this not working14:59
PaliRzR, do you have wget script?14:59
RzRwhatabout github or launchpad ?14:59
RzRi used one someday14:59
Palilaunchpad is good, it support repository importing14:59
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Palibut launchpad has only bzr14:59
Palino git14:59
Pali(but can import git repo into bzr)14:59
RzRgit please15:00
keriofreemangordon: i activated an alarm, it correctly alarmed me15:01
keriowhat am i supposed to test?15:01
freemangordonkerio: everything ;)15:01
kerioah, maybe i should've rebooted though15:02
freemangordonkerio: sure15:02
freemangordoncalendar, act_dead mode, snooze, ...15:02
freemangordonwhat else?15:02
freemangordonthird-party apps15:02
RzRdo you mirror it before uploading15:02
keriobut that seems like work15:02
RzRor plan to do one after one ?15:02
RzRPali, ?15:03
PaliRzR, first I need script which can create repo on gitorious15:03
Palithen I decide what to do15:03
kerioPali: srsly, your applet slows down mah boot15:04
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RzRhaving a local copy would be higher priority15:04
freemangordonthat might to the job dor direct miroring15:05
keriofreemangordon: hm, "snooze" correctly added 5 minutes instead of 1015:06
freemangordonwhy 10?15:06
keriothe default is 10 iirc15:06
kerioworldclock has a way to set it15:07
keriothe new and improved worldclock, i mean15:07
freemangordondid you change it to 5?15:07
freemangordonkerio: do you have gdb installed?15:07
keriofreemangordon: i don't think so15:08
freemangordonwell, in case it crashes it will be usefull to have gdb attached15:08
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keriofreemangordon: calendar fails when i try to add an alarm to an event :(15:12
freemangordoncalendar db corrupted?15:13
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freemangordonkerio: no problems here15:13
freemangordonbtw what "fails" mean15:13
keriothe "internal error" banner15:14
freemangordoninstall gdb :D15:14
keriohm, maybe the "local" calendar is the problem15:15
kerioyep, successfully notified15:15
freemangordondoes snooze/stop/view work as expected?15:15
kerioyeah, it's the "local" calendar that's the problem15:15
keriofreemangordon: i tried view, it worked15:15
keriowhere are the calendars stored?15:16
freemangordonbut why is your calendar Db corrupted?15:16
keriooh, maybe because i was adding it to an invisible calendar15:16
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freemangordonkerio: makes no sense15:19
keriocalendaring works15:20
kerioeven in portrait15:20
keriogj :D15:20
kerioi *really* don't want to test alarms in act_dead mode :(15:20
freemangordonkerio: why?15:20
keriobecause it's boring as hell15:20
freemangordonkerio: force rotation enabled?15:20
kerioyou do it15:21
keriofreemangordon: no15:21
freemangordonI did it15:21
kerioneat, so i don't have to15:21
keriofreemangordon: i mean the popup15:21
freemangordonkerio: forced rotation is disabled and alarms rotate?15:21
kerioit was on the home screen though15:21
freemangordonhmm, why is that?15:21
keriothat's weird15:21
keriothe internet connection dialog also rotates there15:21
freemangordonwell, stock behave in the same way15:21
kerioand nowhere else15:22
freemangordonaah, some hildon-desktop idiocy15:22
Palifreemangordon, RzR: this script working:
freemangordonPali: good15:30
freemangordonnow somwone should script it to do an online mirror of garage and we're ready15:31
freemangordonnot me, windoze here :(15:31
keriofreemangordon: hold on, why do we need a new alarm ui?15:32
freemangordonkerio: because stock is buggy as hell15:32
kerioit always woke me up15:32
freemangordonit cannot handle multiple alarms, it leaks memory, etc15:33
freemangordonkerio: setup 3 alarms with 1 minute interval15:33
keriono u15:33
freemangordon(using stock)15:33
Palifreemangordon, going to do it15:33
freemangordonPali: great15:33
freemangordonkerio: and tell me how many of them ring. leave them to auto-snooze. after 5 minutes tell me how may of them ring.15:34
kerioi only have to wake up once per day!15:35
kerioclearly everyone else also only has the same need15:35
freemangordonkerio: what if one alarm is not enough to waky you up?15:36
kerioi usually stand up, grab the phone, shut down the alarm, go back to bed and start browsing reddit :315:36
freemangordonlucky you15:36
jon_yclearly it should be extensible, up to __UINTMAX_MAX__15:36
freemangordonnot to say that you can snooze only 3 times15:37
freemangordonalarm sound is limited to 1 minute15:37
jon_y__UINTMAX_MAX__ alarms ought to be enough for everybody15:37
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teotwakiWell, everything is mirrored15:37
teotwaki(except for harmattan-dev)15:37
freemangordonteotwaki: garage?15:38
teotwakino, all the repos15:38
freemangordonaah, ok15:38
freemangordonyeah, saw that, thanks a lot15:38
freemangordonkerio: also read from till the end of the thread15:39
infobotfreemangordon meant: kerio: also read from to the end of the thread15:40
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teotwakiPali: what's with rmo/stable?15:43
Paliteotwaki, rmo?15:44
teotwakiPali: do you have a deb/deb-src line I can add to my sources.list for backup?15:44 is not apt repo15:44
teotwakiif you have a wget script I can use15:46
teotwakiI'll be happy to add it to maemo-archive15:46
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RzRteotwaki, hi15:50
RzRteotwaki, someone said to have backuped h-d15:50
teotwakidid they make it available online?15:50
teotwakiRzR: downloading ;)15:51
teotwakiwell, I see you're downloading from wedrop.it15:51
PaliRzR, backup started15:52
Paliit it slow because creating repository on gitorious is slow15:53
teotwakihow so?15:53
Palirequest for create new repo on gitorious takes 20s (without pushing)15:54
teotwakidid you guys talk with the gitorious devs?15:54
teotwakiThey can run the creation in command line15:54
PaliI'm doing it in parralel15:55
teotwakiusing the gitorious-admin console15:55
teotwaki(I run a gitorious instance at work)15:55
Paliwhen I created script for creating repos I started it15:55
freemangordonteotwaki: Pali found some script doing the same15:55
teotwakialso, if you use too much space, they can kill you off without warning15:55
Paliwhen I started creating script for garage pull & gitorious push15:55
Paliand now I started that clone script15:56
PaliRzR, next I need list of all svn repositories from garage15:56
teotwakiRzR: do you know if the h-d clone is available online?15:56
Paliany idea15:56
Palican somebody look how to get all projects from garage?15:56
RzRteotwaki, i dont think so15:56
RzRbut it has been said it is backuped15:56
freemangordonPali: you mean svn?15:56
RzRcheck threads in tmo15:57
Palisvn or all15:57
RzRPali, do git-svn them on the same place ?15:57
PaliI have list of git, so I can filter that from all :-)15:57
RzRwill you15:57
PaliRzR yes I want to all git svn clone15:57
Palibut problem is that I do not have list of all svn projects15:57
RzRPali, we'll have to crawl all the garage website ?15:58
freemangordonPali: do you have error reporting if something fails?15:58
Palieach project which has SCM support has URL:
Paliwith ID15:59
Palithat is for kernel-power15:59
Palifreemangordon, I see that from console15:59
Palinow only aptitude failed15:59
Paligit clone aptitude from garage failed15:59
freemangordonempty project?16:00
freemangordonhmm, not empty16:00
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freemangordonno master branch16:00
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freemangordonPali: something is not ok16:04
freemangordonit seems you mirror only master branches16:04
jon_yuse --mirror to grab everything16:05
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freemangordonPali: ^^^16:05
Paligit clone --mirror?16:05
jon_yit is a bare repo, it gets everything16:06
jon_yalso, it doesn't append origin16:06
freemangordonWTF is canola?16:06
SpeedEvilCanadian rape16:07
jon_yany relations to Canadian cross compilers?16:08
RzRI am not spreading a emergency plan, but as some pple are considering this is time to do some stuff , and there is no way or reason to stop them, there should be some central point for coordination ... that's why I though if no one do that, then the servers will be killed for preservation efforts ... so let's act responsibly and dont act too fast , but wait things to be done if nothing is planned...16:08
RzRdotn wait things to be done ...16:08
teotwakifreemangordon: canola was a media player16:11
teotwakifreemangordon: a very nice one at that16:12
freemangordonaah, yes, I remember now, there were threads on TMO16:12
freemangordonwasn't it closed source?16:12
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Palifreemangordon, it should be ok now16:13
teotwakiI think v1 wasn't and v2 was, or vice versa16:13
Paliaptitude was pushed16:13
Sysaxedhow does integrated media player work so that it's not interrupted with power key? :O16:13
freemangordonPali: yeah, much better now :D16:14
freemangordonSysaxed: policy16:14
Sysaxedfreemangordon, and what's behind this magic word?16:15
freemangordonPali: what was that prolog stuff you were playing with?16:15
Palilibplayback library16:16
freemangordonSysaxed: ^^^16:16
Pali(closed and without documentation)16:16
freemangordonafaik that one16:16
Palithere are only header files16:17
Sysaxedshould I say "fuck" now? XD16:17
freemangordonSysaxed: and there are some config files in /etc16:17
jon_yI see that all the time in Windows16:17
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: you're now called "Sebastian Lauwers, aka CrashandDie aka teotwaki"16:17
jon_ylibs with only headers16:17
freemangordontext ones, don;t remember the name/location16:17
Sysaxedjon_y, I haven't seen window for 4 years now...16:17
freemangordonbut it should not be hard to find the16:17
teotwakiI'm off16:17
freemangordongrep for mediaplayer16:17
teotwakihave fun guys16:17
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: I already corrected that16:18
jon_yalso, COM headers with no corresponding lib16:18
freemangordonjon_y: actually you don;t need anything to use COM16:18
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freemangordonbesides .dll16:19
jon_yyeah, I write JNI at work :(16:19
jon_yand some COM16:19
Sysaxedis there any way to run command as user from root?16:19
DocScrutinizer05I wish everybody would chill down a bit, and RzR wouldn't start so many parallel threads16:19
Sysaxedsudo user 'command' tells me that user is not in the sudoers file16:19
RzRDocScrutinizer05, there are only 216:20
RzRone for the wiki16:20
RzRthe other is general16:20
freemangordonjon_y: but COM is deprecated AFAIk. (of course M$ has a newer and shiner things to show)16:20
RzRbut i can understand16:20
DocScrutinizer05it feels like shepherding 5 flocks on 5 grounds16:20
jon_ycode gotta work for GCC, so no winRT for the next 5 years16:20
jon_ywell, my personal preference anyway16:21
jon_yuntil the boss starts shoving :)16:21
RzRDocScrutinizer05, do u have a backup of harmattanDev ?16:21
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: garage going down?16:21
DocScrutinizer05RzR: anyway (if you missed action in this very channel of yesterday) we got a backup of what's backup'able basically, hosted by honorable community members16:22
DocScrutinizer05RzR: so maybe you could help chill down the panic a bit16:22
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm, what panic?16:23
RzRDocScrutinizer05, tell me what i should add to :16:23
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RzRDocScrutinizer05, yes i know but teotwaki proposed to mirror it16:24
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki *did* mirror it16:24
DocScrutinizer05past tense16:24
PaliRzR, can you look at garage how to get all svn projects?16:24
RzRno he didnt16:24
RzRhe backuped maemo5-16:25
Sysaxedand again, how can I run a command as user if I'm root?16:25
RzRPali, not today , it's time to do stuff one after16:25
Palifreemangordon, easyphoto from garage failed16:25
PaliRzR, ok16:25
RzRwe fired the backup process that's cool , but no need to do it all the same day16:25
DocScrutinizer05RzR: please look at yesterday's chanlogs, and at the URL I (and he) posted16:26
RzRmany pple will have idea of what to do16:26
RzR ?16:26
Palialso canola-book16:26
DocScrutinizer05RzR: we're facing a DoS on maemo servers, due to panicking backupers16:26
freemangordonRzR: of course, but lets do whatever can be done while we're at it16:26
RzRDocScrutinizer05, really ?16:27
freemangordonPali: are you doing pull in parallel?16:27
RzRlet me inform pple to stop doint that16:27
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DocScrutinizer05what's that ^^^16:31
freemangordonPali: just write failed ones somewhere, if there are about 5-10 projects, wi'll mirror them by hand16:32
DocScrutinizer05(just in case you dunno: nobody is supposed to click unknown URL in IRC just to find out what they are)16:32
RzRDocScrutinizer05, well if you want to add info please do it on mer wiki ?16:32
RzRi will paste this info then16:33
DocScrutinizer05how's any of my info related to mer?16:33
Palifreemangordon: ssh://
RzRmer host is future proof . no idea of mamo one16:34
freemangordonPali: ?16:34
Palifreemangordon: ssh://
Palithat two failed16:34
RzRPali, lets list this somewhere16:34
freemangordononly those?16:34
Paliyet only two16:34
freemangordonRzR: though if only 2 noo need to list them16:35
RzRlet me do that now :)16:35
freemangordonPali: what's the error?16:35
Palierror: Could not read aeee625317413eb64fd67cc644aba74b4064de6016:35
Palierror: Could not read 7f36eacbc0559cd4e8b836e2004f9a7ea2778aa816:35
DocScrutinizer05RzR: please stop posting URL here, with no addressee and no comment what they are16:36
DocScrutinizer05(just in case you dunno: nobody is supposed to click unknown URL in IRC just to find out what they are)16:37
freemangordonRzR: :)16:37
DocScrutinizer05RzR: you're a bit overreacting it seems to me16:38
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RzRDocScrutinizer05, probally16:38
RzRso i will stop for today16:38
RzRanyway "2 failures" is enough to react16:39
DocScrutinizer05we got no real serious issue yet (at least none we wold know it won't get fixed soonish, except apps4meego) and we more than adequately handled the problem, there are several mirrors of ALL available repos existing out there, plus at least one backup of the wiki16:39
RzRDocScrutinizer05, good , is it the same for meego wiki ?16:40
DocScrutinizer05only backed up16:40
RzRis it  the only missing piece of the puzle16:40
DocScrutinizer05so concentrate on that please16:40
RzRDocScrutinizer05, in which form is backuped ?16:41
DocScrutinizer05for now16:41
DocScrutinizer05see chanlog, and my post with IRC quotes16:41
DocScrutinizer05many thank Skry and merlin1991!16:42
RzRwell then please let it know
DocScrutinizer05please reread your own threads16:42
DocScrutinizer05and I'm not going to click URL each time to open [current archive and future (17)] (and 18 and 19) window, or compare the URL char by char. Please refer to the threads like by title or whatever, in human readable parsable form16:45
RzRi updated it16:45
DocScrutinizer05(the benefits of running concurrent threads with pretty much same topic - you see?)16:46
RzRlet's hope it is clear now16:46
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DocScrutinizer05err, seems it's not apps4meego that failed - teotwaki lists it as mirrored16:52
RzRfreemangordon, i was thinking  , maybe it would be safe to migrate svn projects on garage and then update gitorious mirror16:52
DocScrutinizer05please check the central repo mirror URL he posted. Keep in mind that sync may still run16:53
vi__I have added an external antenna to my dd-wrt AP.16:53
RzRfreemangordon, just a suggestion16:53
vi__I cut the track, soldered on a stripped pigtail.16:53
vi__It makes no difference whether the external aerial is attached or not.16:54
freemangordonRzR: but why, we only need a list of svn projects16:55
DocScrutinizer05vi__: attaching an antenna usually involves SWR tuning, otherwise antenna performance is abyssmal16:55
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RzRfreemangordon, because it will be easier to sync later16:57
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freemangordonbut once we have the list, it will be the same16:57
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RzRwell i think i need to breath fresh air now :)17:00
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RzRthx DocScrutinizer05 freemangordon Pali etc17:00
RzRask me to update my posts if you think it will benefit the community17:01
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SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, remember I was asking about the volume keys stuff?17:02
Sysaxedso, now it's ready...17:02
SysaxedI've tried to make it simple.. but failed17:03
Sysaxedhere it is anyway17:03
Sysaxed(I can't register on maemo talk for a month now, so can't make a nice post about it there)17:03
Sysaxedrun this script as root. now if you press volume up and then volume down quickly (just slide your finger over the buttons)17:03
Sysaxedyou'll lock/unlock the device without making it hang other apps like the powerkey does17:04
Sysaxedif you do it in another direction - it will change the song in the default media player17:04
Sysaxedfeel free to customize it to your liking17:04
Sysaxednote that you must set DisableKPImmediately to 2 in /etc/mce/mce.ini to make volume keys work when the screen is locked17:05
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Sysaxedand yes, you can use actions like volume up+volume+down+volume up+volume down etc17:07
Sysaxedjust note that it does change system volume, so you will probably want to use same amount of volume ups and volume downs for an action17:07
Sysaxedmaybe I should make a config file... but having it as a single file is something I like very much17:08
vi___Sysaxed: that is really cool.17:08
vi___is there a tmo thread?17:09
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Sysaxedvi___, what is tmo? talk maemo?17:09
Sysaxedvi___, I can't register! Really! Maybe somebody could help me out?17:10
SysaxedI've made my account on garage maemo but something went wrong I guess17:10
Sysaxedso I can login to garage but can't login in maemo.org17:10
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SkryDocScrutinizer05: yer welcome. did merlin1991 manage to get the wiki backed up?17:10
DocScrutinizer05except those Categories: pages, we backed up everything, yes17:12
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: moinmoin, how's about finishing on that?17:12
DocScrutinizer05Sysaxed: yep, I remember17:13
DocScrutinizer05Sysaxed: your account on tmo is separate from garage, they're not linked17:17
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, awesome! But how can I register on tmo????17:17
Sysaxedif it links me to the garage17:17
DocScrutinizer05Sysaxed: you need to create an account *inside* tmo17:17
Sysaxedhere it is17:18
DocScrutinizer05Sysaxed: use firefox browser, set cookies to default policy, then click "create account" or whatever the name in tmo17:18
SysaxedI was pressing BIG "Register" button instead17:18
DocScrutinizer05I'd appreciate you post above awesome stuff to tmo too17:19
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DocScrutinizer05and *attach thew script* as file please! no external links, they vanish17:19
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, sure, I simply didn't know how to register, haha17:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: to be fair dropbox is a lot less likely to disappear than... say, :D17:20
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, well, it's not-that-external-link17:20
DocScrutinizer05fair enough, still external links are an annoyance17:20
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, having 20 gb on dropbox and I'm not going to remove this file anyway17:20
DocScrutinizer05links to * are ok, other stuff not so much17:21
SysaxedSoftware/applications, right?17:21
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DocScrutinizer05Sysaxed: you might face limitation on what your account may do, during first 5 or 7 days17:22
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ^^^ could you help, just in case?17:22
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DocScrutinizer05Sysaxed: e.g. you might not be allowed to attach files. include it as [code] then!17:24
DocScrutinizer05(hint: extended editor)17:24
DocScrutinizer05or was it 'advanced'?17:25
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's python, it doesn't handle whitespace changes too well17:26
DocScrutinizer05in [code] ?17:26
kerioa lot of BB softwares handle that badly17:27
DocScrutinizer05can't recall I'd seen tmo change whitespace in [code] mmm [/code]17:27
DocScrutinizer05code tags are pretty much like <pre>17:27
DocScrutinizer05anyway in "advanced" you have "preview" as well, so you can tell if it survived17:28
keriodoes it add line numbers?17:28
keriousually copypasting that is awkward17:28
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DocScrutinizer05it just creates annoying scrollbars here17:30
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SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, I can't attach a .py file and I can't use [code] tags because they screw everything17:48
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, what should I do then?17:49
DocScrutinizer05Sysaxed: well, then include the link to dropbox for now, you can edit post later.17:50
DocScrutinizer05omot the http:// since you might not be allowed to use links right now17:50
Sysaxeddidn't tell me anything about the http://17:51
DocScrutinizer05well, if they show up then fine17:51
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Sysaxedbut said that it must be accepted by a mod17:51
DocScrutinizer05that's what I meant17:52
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: PING ^^^^17:52
DocScrutinizer05Sysaxed: tmo nick and thread title/URL please!17:52
SysaxedSysaxed is a nick17:52
DocScrutinizer05otherwise chem|st can't find your post17:52
Sysaxedand... I can't remember the post title17:53
Sysaxedsomething about volume keys and shortcuts :D17:53
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, should the process of posting a useful script be that long and complicated?...17:54
DocScrutinizer05it's usually not17:56
DocScrutinizer05it's the process of activating an account that bugs yiu17:57
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Sysaxedso that's all what I can do, right?18:03
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DocScrutinizer05except 'pestering' chem|st ;-)18:04
DocScrutinizer05if he finds the time to drop by here, he'll solve the issue in no time, I guess18:05
* DocScrutinizer05 moans about council infra and nothing moving regarding proper mail setup etc18:06
DocScrutinizer05so kinda similar situation to yours ;-)18:06
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PaliRzR, freemangordon: backup of garage git projects is complete18:10
freemangordonPali: good18:11
freemangordonany more failed?18:11
Palieverything is ok18:13
Palionly empty repositories failed :-)18:13
DocScrutinizer05I'd prefer to see a coordinated backup happening, that's available under a limited small number of addresses18:13
DocScrutinizer05nothing wrong with everybody doing his private backup, but for community we need a centralized process18:14
DocScrutinizer05board and council both are busy to coordinate stuff, please collaborate18:15
DocScrutinizer05(you all seem to show up in "to:" resp "CC."18:15
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DocScrutinizer05while I'm happy with coordinating things via IRC (mail is kinda slow turnaround and not very effective for some tasks), it seems Ivgalvez decided to kick off stuff via council mail18:17
rZrDocScrutinizer05, wiki would be a better place for that isnt it ?18:19
Palibut wiki id going down too...18:19
_rdHi, does anybody stream the current gps location from the n900 to a server (preferably I would like to do that to my own server)18:19
DocScrutinizer05rZr: indeed18:20
rZrDocScrutinizer05, mer's one ?18:20
DocScrutinizer05and it's quite unfortunate when we try to coodinate infra fixes via infra to fix. That's the deadlock here18:20
rZrmer's wiki lives its own isnt it ?18:21
DocScrutinizer05rZr: I've no special preferences here, but any wiki page to list/collect all resources needing backup, status and possibly URL of backups done, plus responsible executive of the backup, would be way better than either slow fuzzy mail or chaotic action on IRC18:22
rZri started something on mer wiki18:23
DocScrutinizer05or you could edit your (MAIN!) tmo thread's first page, but that has the disadvantage that nobody can contribute directly18:23
DocScrutinizer05please close down the secondary thread18:24
DocScrutinizer05maybe rename original main thread to "backup of maemo resources - a community effort" or sth18:25
Palibut for that stupid mer wiki you need edit permission!!!!18:25
rZri can do that18:25
Paliso I'm not able to edit it18:26
Sysaxed_rd, well, what is the question?18:26
rZrPali, just create a mer account18:26
Sysaxed_rd, unlikely, but there were some apps for tracking your phone...18:26
DocScrutinizer05Pali's concerns seem reasonable18:26
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Skryhow about dedicated irc channel for coordinating this stuff, set channel to +m and give +v to users doing the shit, others can follow and post kazillion threads with logs to anywhere they like?18:29
DocScrutinizer05Skry: won't work18:29
Skryjust an idea18:29
DocScrutinizer05Skry: I'll not go into why it won't, now18:29
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rZrthis channel is not overload yet18:30
DocScrutinizer05just that much: dedicated IRC channels are fine for long term projects with a low number of dedicated people18:30
merlin1991hm wall of text, I'm not going to read it all, but regarding my highlights, DocScrutinizer05 yes  I did finsih the wiki clone (just now)18:30
DocScrutinizer05and irc is kinda volatile18:30
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: cool stuff18:31
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: thanks a lot!18:31
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DocScrutinizer05rZr: for now I'd prefer you to clode down secondary thread, possibly rename primary thred to reflect the more general nature (as suggested above), then frequently read latest posts by other contributing community members and edit first post to reflect all the gathered info18:33
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: pingpingpongping18:34
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: request to merge threads!18:34
rZrDocScrutinizer05, i can do that but i prefer to keep it open untill an archive file of wiki to be released18:34
DocScrutinizer05rZr: wiki is just one resource18:34
DocScrutinizer05rZr: the idea is to have ONE thred dealing with, well... what I posted above - *all* resource backup tasks and issues going on18:35
DocScrutinizer05wiki is nothing special18:36
DocScrutinizer05so why a separate thread for it?18:36
rZrbecause it harder to grab18:36
DocScrutinizer05rZr: btw merlin1991 just confirmed we have an archive of wiki18:36
SkryI agree with Doc, having multiple threads for the same matter is nonsense and confusing.18:37
DocScrutinizer05no, it's harder to find your way thru several concurrent basically overlapping threads18:37
DocScrutinizer05Skry: indeed18:37
rZrmerlin1991, can you release it ? at /18:37
DocScrutinizer05it's already a PITA to coordinate all this on tmo at all18:37
DocScrutinizer05rZr: it will be available at maemo.merlin.at18:38
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DocScrutinizer05eventually will sync18:38
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: how do you know that? I might go rogue and keep it for myself ;)18:39
merlin1991hm I need copyright text from the wiki18:39
merlin1991can't put the stuff up there without the original copyright18:39
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merlin1991there has to be some page along the lines of "all submitted content falls under THIS license"18:40
DocScrutinizer05look special-pages18:40
DocScrutinizer05might have sth18:40
DocScrutinizer05or /main18:40
merlin1991hah can't even log in on the wiki currently18:42
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teotwakiany news?18:42
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: it has a all content CC link on the bottom18:43
DocScrutinizer05yep, now that you mention it, I recall seeing it18:43
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: well, panicking mode not really getting better18:44
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: could you edit your post to more clearly state what exactly got mirrored - yes I know there are all the pathnames/URLs but it's not that obvious what's in and what's out18:46
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: I can dump all the directories, if you want :P18:46
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DocScrutinizer05nah, more like "this is a mirror containing all fremantle repos, the diablo, chinook, bla bla... It does *miss* the following resources we'd like to have as well but were not able to get: X, Y, ... And we omitted R (reason: bla), S (reason:blub), T (rationale), on purpose"18:48
DocScrutinizer05and maybe simply state what's the apt-mirror config file18:49
DocScrutinizer05even pst that very file18:49
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_rdSysaxed, there is azimuth, transfering the data over XMPP using the location extension XEP-0080. But I did not find a single PC client supporting that protocol flawless.18:51
_rdOtherwise that would be a very elegant solution, in particular with a XEP-0080 logger on the server side.18:52
Sysaxed_rd, just write a simple script that takes data from gps and takes it to the url you specify?18:52
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rZr<DocScrutinizer05> teotwaki: could you edit your post to more clearly state what exactly got mirrored - yes I know there are all the pathnames/URLs but it's not that obvious what's in and what's out18:54
_rdyap, do you have a starting point for the script ? ...or better the interface. Is there a dbus interface?18:54
rZrwhy not use only ?18:54
Sysaxed_rd, this package should probably write data to a file18:54
teotwakiwhat the hell is
_rdSysaxed, thanks I take this as starting point.18:55
rZrteotwaki, i added it18:56
rZrthis is a p2p cache18:56
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rZrto not steal all your bandwidth18:56
teotwakiSo, you add a cache, but not the main server?18:56
Sysaxed2_rd, and you'd probably want to encrypt it some way in order to prevent others getting to the same url and spamming18:56
teotwakirZr: I have unlimited bandwidth, don't worry.18:56
rZrunlimited does not exist in this world18:56
teotwakirZr: one of my clients is the biggest backbone provider in Europe.18:57
Sysaxed2_rd, dunno if previous message got to you, cause I was disconnected, but it's quite simply - take data from the file and send it to your server18:57
DocScrutinizer05rZr: nobody has an account on
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rZrDocScrutinizer05, this is the time for18:58
Sysaxed2chem|st, bzzz! bzzz!18:58
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DocScrutinizer05rZr: please don't complicate things18:59
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rZrDocScrutinizer05, well i let you manage then19:00
rZri will be over busy this week then19:00
Sysaxed2can anybody help me? CloudGPS says "gps has no fix". why?19:00
DocScrutinizer05multiple threads, multiple locations: complicates coordination. adding caches: complicates stuff. Suggesting new stuff without checking back first: complicates getting stuff straight again19:00
Sysaxed2and gives me a wrong location... well, a right one, but with 100 meters error19:00
merlin1991rZr/DocScrutinizer05 and
rZrteotwaki, ^ announce this to the wiki thread and i close it ?19:02
DocScrutinizer05rZr: you started those threads, I'm busy as well helping to manage the backfire19:02
rZronce mirrored19:02
rZrDocScrutinizer05, let me appology then , but at least we have something safer now19:02
DocScrutinizer05rZr: you should merge that wiki thread into the general resources thread, then close it anyway. No matter if merlin1991 publishes some URL or not19:03
DocScrutinizer05rZr: and why would teotwaki announce anything about that?19:04
teotwakimerlin1991: 90MB in all?19:04
DocScrutinizer05you should edit your #1 post to post it19:04
teotwaki0f0177a6097bfed7fc20dc499a42386a  wiki/wiki_2012_11_11.7z19:04
teotwaki043bbd4f9b917add0c5d61e953ac8918  wiki/wiki_with_history_2012_11_11.7z19:04
merlin1991ah yeah md5sums19:05
merlin1991teotwaki: it compressed down to that from 1.5 gb :D19:05
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merlin1991all hail verbose xml19:05
teotwakimerlin1991: how do I make it "accessible"?19:05
rZrhold on19:05
Sysaxed2merlin1991, 7z magic : 319:05
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: what are your thoughts on the wiki stuff? Should I mirror it also?19:06
merlin1991teotwaki: well it is an xml file + license + the image files in an archive, you'd need a running mediawiki where you import all the fun stuff19:07
teotwakimeh, not bothering with that19:07
Paliwhat about wiki in git?19:08
teotwakimerlin1991: can you run a cron job that creates those dumps on a weekly basis?19:08
Paliin future?19:08
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teotwakiPali: try creating a 1.5GB repository on, and you'll be banned faster than you can say "available"19:09
Palisome wiki in git will be easy to backup :-)19:09
DocScrutinizer05rZr: please set up a table in
DocScrutinizer05Resource(abstract) | resource-URL | status | backup-location(URL) | responsible member(IRC nick, tmo nick...)19:09 | | XML backup complete | | (IRC) merlin199119:09
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: sure, mirror that as well19:10
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: done,
merlin1991teotwaki: hm yeah19:10
DocScrutinizer05I'd prefer to keep everything in your location, as primary mirror (doesn't mean others have to go down)19:10
merlin1991need to write a script then though19:10
Skry+1 for the cronjob19:11
rZrDocScrutinizer05, sorry i am busy , can you edit maemo wiki then , i'll update it19:11
merlin1991then I'll have to move the stuff into a folder though :P19:11
DocScrutinizer05rZr: nobody but you can edit your #1 post, and is defect19:12
DocScrutinizer05so pretty please, you started that thread, now maintain it19:13
rZrDocScrutinizer05, i can paste your data , but this is not efficient19:13
DocScrutinizer05I know it's not efficient, but we have no other method available ATM that would have a chance to work19:14
rZri updated that one19:15
rZrand will update post #1 as requested19:15
DocScrutinizer05well, if you think it's less effort to sync a tmo thread and a page on mer-wiki, then go ahead19:16
DocScrutinizer05I think it's as bad an idea as are two concurrent threads for one effort19:17
rZri can understand19:17
rZrbut 1st I wanted a wiki copy19:17
rZrthen pple were talking about other things19:17
DocScrutinizer05I'm not able to follow 2 or even 3 locations to keep up to date about what's going on19:18
rZrso i created a general thread19:18
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rZrwell sorry I wish I would be hired by nokia to keep this on the regular locations19:18
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DocScrutinizer05the effort's name: community effort to backup maemo resources19:18
DocScrutinizer05needs ONe place to coordinate stuff19:19
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Paliwe need for it wiki19:19
DocScrutinizer05alas is down19:19
Palibut editable wiki19:19
Palishould I power on some wiki?19:19
merlin1991Skry: hm can we automate the gathering of the pages?19:20
DocScrutinizer05Pali: diversification19:20
merlin1991because otherwise the cronjob will only catch edits but not new pages19:20
DocScrutinizer05so I'd think we don't need a 4th place to coordinate stuff19:20
Paliso what use?19:20
DocScrutinizer05post to " backup of maemo resources - a community effort , keep zen no panic ...", rZr supposed to summarize stuff in post#119:21
DocScrutinizer05like >>I did another backup of X, please add to table the following info: $resource|$resURL|$status|....<<19:23
DocScrutinizer05if would work, I'd suggest to keep that table there, but since it's not....19:24
rZrthere are couple of candidates alternates wiki19:24
rZrmer, tizen and elinux19:24
Skrymerlin1991: don't see why not?19:25
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: there's 'new pages' in 'special:'19:25
DocScrutinizer05you also could wget the shit from 'all-pages:(main)' by double dereference19:25
merlin1991Skry: well I can't automate what you did on your machine, after all it's black box for me, that threw a txt file at me :D19:26
DocScrutinizer05rZr: nobody going to use those alternative wiki since they are neither maemo related nor anybody has edit rights, as a consequence to aformentioned point19:26
SkryDocScrutinizer05: was there any single page from where one could get all pages?19:27
DocScrutinizer05you have like 8 'root' pages19:28
DocScrutinizer05sorry guys I can't stay here any longer, RL calling19:28
Skryok, so it would just be best to wget the whole wiki (limit the recursive properly) and then do the grep/sed stuff19:29
Skrymerlin1991: ^19:29
DocScrutinizer05you'll get 100 times the real amount, due to all the special pages linked from each true page19:29
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DocScrutinizer05'history', 'edit', 'talk', whatnot19:30
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: >> The mirror contains the full debian packages and sources archive for: - Community SSU (thumb and devel) << which one?19:31
Skryyeah, I know that, that's why I mentioned we should limit the recursion somehow, perhaps we could do full clone once and "manually" sort out the urls we actually need to wget from script to get everything related.19:31
DocScrutinizer05well, nm19:31
teotwakimerlin1991: ^19:31
merlin1991teotwaki: you have everything, cssu stable cssu testing cssu thumb, and the not really cssu devel repo19:32
DocScrutinizer05Skry: nope, the way is to wget the 8some 'root' pages, get the URLs out of them, and wget again with those19:32
DocScrutinizer05maybe do a second time19:33
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DocScrutinizer05all wgets without recursive19:33
Skrywell, that's about what I did but did it manually19:34
DocScrutinizer05or maximum one recursion19:34
DocScrutinizer05nevertheless, o/19:34
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SkryI'll take a look at this later today19:34
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Sysaxed2DocScrutinizer05, RL calling? change profile to silent :D19:36
merlin1991bah digia is promtoing apple products as use case (search for retina (that's not even a vaild thing) display)19:38
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: thanks again, pal!19:44
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_rdSysaxed2, many thanks, I might do some simple as scp, that should be enough encryption.19:57
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Sysaxed2_rd, good to hear :) It will be great if you came back to tell the results when it's ready19:59
Sysaxed2because it's something I will need too19:59
Sysaxed2chem|st, bzzzz! BZZZZ!!!20:00
_rdI still think best would be to have a short XMPP script and use azimuth, but writting the xmpp script is not trivial, and there is little activity in telepathy-gabble right now.20:00
_rd...if I would be a good python code, I might be able to do that, but unfortunately I am now.20:01
Sysaxed2python is quite easy20:02
Sysaxed2just go and try it :)20:02
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keriopython is actually kinda tricky to get right20:24
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Sysaxed2does anybody know how can I detect which keyset is compatible with my tv?20:33
Sysaxed2in pierogi20:33
Sysaxed2I've tried search panel, but it searches only the "power button"20:34
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Sysaxed2any way to choose another button to search?20:34
Snafu777why would u want to?20:36
Snafu777if the power button works, then u know u got iot20:36
Sysaxed2really? O_o20:36
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Skrymore like, if the power button works, you're on a right track20:37
Sysaxed2oh :o20:37
Sysaxed2well, my tv turned of in the first 2-3 seconds of the search20:37
* Snafu777 scratches his head20:37
Sysaxed2so I thought that many tvs share the same power button preset20:38
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Sysaxed2ok, gonna do some more tests20:38
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Skryusually power button is the same for many models from one particular manufacturer, so if it works, probably other buttons work too but you may have some buttons wrong and some not recognized etc20:39
Sysaxed2hmm, trying it out on my microlab speakers20:40
Sysaxed2while searching it did change the volume up and down20:40
Sysaxed2but didn't power off.. wtf...20:40
Sysaxed2HERE IT IS20:40
Sysaxed2well, not really20:43
Sysaxed2but yeah, I got it20:44
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Snafu777Anyone here interested in a working version of dhcp3-server, curl, ngrep, or proxychains for their N900?20:49
_rdSysaxed2, I did try, but failed. Have a look here, maybe you are more successful than I was:
Sysaxed2_rd, what is this thing about?20:50
Sysaxed2I mean.. what are you trying to achieve currently?20:50
Snafu777i cant believe nobody is interested....?20:51
Snafu777I thought this place was full of tinkerers...  and Hackers...20:51
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_rdIt logs gps information, which may be transfered via jabber.20:52
_rdon the n900 side there is the n900.20:52
SkrySnafu777: I have "normal" linux on my N900 incase i need to do tinkering / hacking / anything else but calling or playing music.20:53
kerioSnafu777: i thought that kind of thing already worked20:53
Snafu777Try it20:53
keriofirst of all, to do dhcp you should use dnsmasq20:53
Snafu777As far as I know, im one of the few who have it working, if not the only one20:53
kerioit's already running, for instance20:53
Snafu777not for doing evil ap type stuff20:53
keriocurl is also working perfectly for me20:53
Snafu777which version of maemo are u using?20:53
keriowhat does that mean?20:54
Snafu777because i tried and tried, couldnt get it to work20:54
Snafu7774.1, 5.0?20:54
keriooh, you mean *that* kind of version20:54
Snafu777Which repos are u pullin from20:54
keriothe n900 only runs fremantle20:54
kerioso maemo 5 :)20:54
Snafu777I pulled curl together from 4.1 and 5.020:54
keriocurl 7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu1+thumb120:54
Snafu777because apt-get install curl doesnt do jack20:55
Snafu777purge it, and try to reinstall?20:55
_rdSysaxed2, I try to get GPS information logged.20:55
keriocurl is in extras-devel i believe20:55
Snafu777apt-cache show it, and tell me the repo yer grabbin from? im guessing extras-devel?20:55
Sysaxed2_rd, yep, I see20:55
keriocssu-testing ships a more recent version, too20:55
Sysaxed2_rd, try this page?
_rdright now I try to transfer the file of gpslogger via scp.20:55
Snafu777so how bout ngrep?20:56
_rdthe nice thing with that script is that it uses xmpp, i.e. all the authentification, encryption, etc. stuff is solved. It is even cross platform.20:56
_rdBut that requires to have the python script working.20:56
kerioSnafu777: i think it's just a matter of compiling it correctly \_o_/20:56
Snafu777compiling an apt-get?20:56
kerionmap is also badly botched i think20:56
Snafu777nmap works fine =)20:57
kerionot the one on the repos, last time i heard20:57
Snafu777not the most recent one20:57
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kerioso... become the maintainer and start making good packages20:57
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Snafu777downgrade to 5.50-220:57
Sysaxed2_rd, I don't get it. There's a command line utility called 'scp', right? So you have an app that logs the data.. then just run scp command once to transfer the file and you're done.20:58
Snafu777I'd love to be a maintainer of various stuff for the n90020:58
Snafu777I've been tinkering with this thing since i got it at DefCon this past july/august20:59
Snafu777Since then, ive made it my mission to make the N900 the best it can be....21:00
_rdSysaxed2, yes that is my fallback solution. Nice thing is that it does not rely on a third party server, bad thing is that it essentially requires having an ssh key on my phone which allows to login to my server.21:00
Snafu777I've gotten dhcp3-server working on it, which was a big deal because now u can run an evil access point with the n900, which makes for interesting pentest scenarios21:00
_rdbut right now I am looking on the fallback solution.21:00
Sysaxed2_rd, then don't use scp?21:01
_rdThe more advanced one is then for a later time.21:01
kerioSnafu777: why do you need such a particular dhcp server?21:01
teotwaki_rd: rsync?21:01
Snafu777It makes dishing out IP addressess the easiest21:01
Snafu777its highly configurable21:01
Sysaxed2_rd, as I can see the only good solution is to encrypt the data on the phone with the public key and then decode it on the server with private key21:01
Snafu777and it just "works" well21:01
kerioisn't dnsmasq or... (apt-cache search dhcp) udhcpd good enough?21:01
Snafu777compared to udhcpd21:01
teotwakiSysaxed2: don't use public key encryption for large chunks.21:02
Snafu777wow, didnt know that many were available21:02
Snafu777but dhcpd is used on laptops more often than not for what I do21:02
Sysaxed2teotwaki, large chunks? it's just some gps data! Shouldn't be that large21:02
Snafu777See, I pentest =-)21:02
Snafu777and PenTesting with a phone for 802.11 is MUCH less noticable than pulling out a laptop21:02
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teotwakiSysaxed2: generate a symmetric key, encrypt the data using the symmetric key, send the data, encrypt the symmetric key with your public key, send the encrypted encryption key.21:03
Snafu777A lot of the scripts I use within backtrack on my laptop, I have been porting over to the N90021:03
kerioSnafu777: the n900 can't do hostAP though21:03
_rdthanks Sysaxed221:03
Snafu777whatcha mean hostAP?21:03
Snafu777U mean act as an access point?21:03
keriousers can probably notice that they're connecting to an adhoc wifi network21:03
Snafu777Aint adhoc bro21:03
Snafu777Access Point21:03
kerio...the n900 can't do hostAP21:03
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Sysaxed2kerio, oh, it can't? damn :O21:04
Snafu777svn checkout EvilAP21:04
Sysaxed2I always thought that it can21:04
Snafu777The hell it cant21:04
Snafu777Now, I havent added in the capability to forward packets to the sim card yet21:04
Snafu777I just wanted a working version21:04
azadpakihow to install Ubuntu on N900 using Fedora OS?21:05
Sysaxed2_rd, the whole script should be quite simple, just about 10 lines of code max21:05
Snafu777It will work, I just havent added it yet, as it takes a little bit of time21:05
Sysaxed2_rd, take the file, encrypt, send. done :)21:05
Sysaxed2_rd, oh, you'd have to keep track what was sent already... but that part is not that hard21:05
Snafu777If u run the install script21:06
Snafu777U need to have pwnphone on yer phone =)21:06
Snafu777if u dont have pwnphone21:06
keriowhy would i want a bundle of opensource software sold for $995?21:06
Snafu777Buy an N900 for like $300 and install it yerself?21:07
Snafu777Like me?21:07
Snafu777And that bundle is impressive, just so ya know21:07
kerioooh, 995 also gives you a n90021:07
Snafu777Its free dude, if u already have an n90021:08
Snafu777the Price is meant for people who dont have an n900 and dont want to take the time to install it themselves21:08
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Snafu777as it does require nix knowledge21:08
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Snafu777But back to the main pt of the convo, yes u can make the N900 into an Access Point21:08
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Snafu777to do so requires a reliable and configurable dhcp server21:09
Snafu777and thats where dhcpd comes in =)21:09
keriodude, dnsmasq is preinstalled21:09
kerioand you have to push some fucking IP addresses21:09
Snafu777push an ip address?21:10
keriowhat do you think a dhcp server does?21:10
* Snafu777 are u seriously asking me?21:10
Snafu777Dude, im a fuckin hacker....Really?21:10
Snafu777Yes i know what a dhcp server does21:10
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keriowhat are the advantages of dhcp3-server over udhcpd or dnsmasq then?21:11
Snafu777Okay, for starters, udhcpd doesnt log given ips properly21:11
Snafu777dhcp3-server is widely known in the pentesting community21:12
Snafu777dhcp3-server can handle  multiple subnets21:12
Snafu777dhcp3-server is the defacto dhcp server for 98.2% of all PenTesting scripts21:12
Snafu777I made that % up btw21:12
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Snafu777but look at any "GOOD" pentesting script that dishes out an IP21:13
Snafu777and u will find dhcpd21:13
Snafu777Not anything else21:13
Snafu777dnsmasq might be "good" but its not used in the pentesting world to my knowledge...21:13
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Snafu777I mean heck....This is from the page of dnsmasq itself: It is designed to provide DNS and, optionally, DHCP, to a small network.21:15
Snafu777See the optionally part?21:15
Snafu777dhcp was an afterthought21:15
Snafu777DNS is the primary part21:15
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SkrySo something being optional automaticly make it a poor option? it does what it promises very well, is widely used, proven choice. Wether it is an afterthought or not is as irrelevant, as is the optionality of feature X.21:20
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Snafu777Nice point Skry21:21
Snafu777But.... For instance, do you have a dhcp server that u use for the n900?21:21
Snafu777If so, why?21:21
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SkryI have no use for dhcp server on my n900. If I need to share the connection, I'll just use mobilehotspot.21:28
SiceloSnafu777: i've personally used the N900 as a dhcp server using the built-in dnsmasq. no issues whatsoever.21:29
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Snafu777Sicelo, what did u use it for? the dhcp server21:31
SkryAlso, I find it quite questionable to rely on n900 as ap/router/whatever on networks/subnets that large you'll have to have something that scales that much21:31
kerioPali: setting the charging mode to "none" will permanently disable any charging, right?21:31
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SiceloSnafu777: to quote, "push an ip address", lol21:32
kerioPali: hmm, are the paths in /sys/class/power_supply/ always the same?21:33
Snafu777this confuses the shit out of me21:33
Palikerio, yes21:33
Pali(in kp52 will be change)21:33
Snafu777So here we go, does anyone in this chan, HACK with their n900?21:33
Snafu777because this is like talking to a bunch of computer programmers....21:33
Snafu777The disconnect here21:34
DocScrutinizer05define 'HACK'21:34
SiceloSnafu777: just look at tmo .. pentesting was being done probably before you had your N90021:34
Snafu777Perform Penetration Testing of an Organization21:34
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777:  ^H^H^H^H I don't think a hacker is somebody doing pentests21:35
DocScrutinizer05we hackers call such people script kiddies usually21:35
kerioPali: when does your hald-addon-bme cause a shutdown due to low battery?21:36
DocScrutinizer05unless they're doing serious professional business, when they are called pentesters21:36
Snafu777Actually I refer to a hacker by the MIT definition from its model railroad club21:37
Palikerio, when EDVF is set21:37
marcelluxsnafu777. many thing you can do with backtrack, you can also do with maemo21:37
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Snafu777maemo lacks some functions21:37
kerioPali: so you should be able to drop to EDV1 and wait for bq27k to notice it21:37
Snafu777but thats why im hackin stuff together, to make it work, and push it out to people21:37
kerioSnafu777: like what? :o21:38
Snafu777u got it?21:38
Palikerio, when EDV1 is set then battery is too low21:38
Paliit sent dbus meesage to all apps21:38
kerioPali: you said EDVF21:38
Paliso status menu widget will show battery low message21:38
teotwakiSnafu777: you bore me21:38
keriooh, i see21:38
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: +121:38
kerio"low battery" at EDV1, shutdown at EDVF21:38
Snafu777kerio, u got ngrep?21:38
Paliwhen EDVF is set then if tell DSME to turn off phone21:38
Snafu777Im glad i bore u21:39
Snafu777whoopie for u21:39
Snafu777the fact that some of you people in here dont do what u can do with the n900 is saddening21:39
Snafu777the fact that u dont push the n900 to do what it can do is heartbreaking21:39
teotwakiSnafu777: the fact you believe you've invented warm water is saddening.21:39
keriogoddammit, i thought people like this didn't actually exist21:40
DocScrutinizer05real hacker! shy, humble, savvy, and never offensive21:40
teotwakiis that the MIT definition?21:40
freemangordonnice chat here I see21:40
Snafu777Ya know what? I dont really care wtf u think21:40
Snafu777I know im doin good work21:40
teotwakiwell, you keep patting yourself on the back21:40
Snafu777and like i said, if u want ngrep, or proxychains, or curl, etc....  talk to me21:40
DocScrutinizer05I know you're kinda spoiling this channel21:40
Snafu777Okay teotwaki21:40
Snafu777Make proxychains work21:41
Snafu777If i suck so much21:41
Snafu777Show me i do21:41
Snafu777cuz I got it working, can u?21:41
Snafu777if not, then why talkt rash to me?21:41
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: ok, you got the longest21:41
kerioi'm not exactly sure doing ./configure && make && make install is such a l33t thing to do21:41
DocScrutinizer05now that we all know about that important fact, can we pelase stop this BS?21:41
Snafu777Oh yeha? that easy right?21:41
Snafu777./configure && make && make install21:41
Snafu777if it was that simple, do u think i would bring it up?21:42
teotwakiSnafu777: I don't have anything to prove to you21:42
Snafu777And neither do I to u21:42
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: 1st warning, general style, offensiveness, spamming, speech21:42
Snafu777Yah know what, Fuck off21:42
teotwakiSnafu777: now either bring something interesting to the conversation21:42
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teotwakiSnafu777: or leave21:42
kerioPali: there are no individual files for registers in bq27x00_battery :(21:43
teotwaki<Snafu777> You can all go fuck yourselves, I hope yer fuckin maemo bullshit dies21:43
Palikerio, and what?21:43
DocScrutinizer05that's a clear ban already21:43
kerioand i has a sad :(21:43
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: ^^^21:43
teotwakihe didn't do it on the channel21:44
kerioPali: people want individual files for flags!21:44
teotwakino reason to ban him from it21:44
Palikerio, I did not see any patch in my mailbox21:44
kerioPali: but... i don't know anything about kernel programming! :(21:44
Paliand I do not have time21:44
freemangordonPali: any cluse if GSList is thread safe?21:45
PaliI never used that21:45
Palibut I think no21:45
freemangordonok, seems like that21:45
Palimany (or all) functions are not thread safe and some of them are reentrant21:46
Paliwith _r suffix21:46
freemangordonhmm, it is something else, info threads results in only one thread :(21:47
freemangordonin gdb that is21:47
DocScrutinizer05[2012-11-11 20:47:23] <Snafu777> You can ban me if ya want you fuckin twit, keep talkin shit to the wrong motherfucker and one day you wont like the damn consequences, when u meet the motherfucker who just might pwn yer stupid ass for talking down to them.  You stupid fuckin little twit21:49
DocScrutinizer05[2012-11-11 20:48:49] <Snafu777> Oh threatening me now eh?  Ill slap the dogshit out of you.21:49
kerioPali: a21:49
freemangordonwell, the guy seems high21:49
kerioPali: is time_to_* in seconds?21:50
DocScrutinizer05[2012-11-11 20:51:03] [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING request from Snafu777, sending answer.21:51
rZrDocScrutinizer05, what a day21:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: talk about it with the freenode staff21:51
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05 & kerio: done, he's been reported21:52
keriothey dislike assholes, usually21:52
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: thanks21:52
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: just /ignore him and don't reply, I didn't rely to his childish PM, he gave up.21:53
teotwaki(p key is failing on this laptop)21:53
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* ShadowJK once had a script, that automatically put people he banned on ignore21:54
teotwakiShadowJK: which is a great way to be an abusive op, and not notice it.21:55
teotwakinot implying you were abusive or anything, just that I have a tendency to be.21:55
DocScrutinizer05fun part: nobody banned him (today)21:55
teotwakinot yesterday either21:55
teotwakihe got kicked, is all21:55
DocScrutinizer05he's even registered, amazing21:55
DocScrutinizer05too much angeldust I guess21:56
DocScrutinizer05or crack21:57
kerio...where's infobot?21:59
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kerioPali: wtf is isp1704_charger? :O22:00
Palifastcharger detection22:01
Paliin maemo kernel it is part of musb driver22:01
Paliin upstream kernel it is separate kernel module22:01
keriocan i enable boost mode while the wallcharger is connected?22:01
Palikerio, you can everything22:02
kerioi mean without blowing anything up22:02
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Palibq2415x_charger allow you to do want you want22:02
keriohm, boost mode doesn't use a lot more current, apparently22:03
keriowithout anything connected, i mean22:03
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kerio...which makes sense22:03
DocScrutinizer05Pali: thanks22:03
DocScrutinizer05Pali: seems server down22:03
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kerioPali: hm, what turns on the blue led during boost mode?22:03
keriodoes the kernel module talk directly to mce?22:04
PaliDocScrutinizer05, what?22:04
DocScrutinizer05Pali: ibot22:04
Palikerio, HW22:04
Palior usbmode.sh22:04
Palivia mce22:04
kerioi see22:04
keriowell, if hald-addon-bme can do that, then doesn't really have to worry about it22:05
kerioi'm testing my new and improved bq27k calibration script22:05
kolpkerio: Can it be used with Pali's bme replacement?22:06
keriokolp: only with it :)22:07
Paliyou can use this:
Palithis is LD_PRELOAD library which redirect i2cget calls to bq27x00_battery22:07
Paliso script working wih bq27x00_battery kernel module :-)22:07
PaliI'm using it22:07
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kerioPali: that's... backwards D:22:08
kolpkerio, Pali: Awesome :)22:08
DocScrutinizer05kerio: indeed22:08
kerioDocScrutinizer05: tell him to stop! :'(22:08
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keriowtf is /dev/bq27200-0? :o22:10
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DocScrutinizer05maybe that's the "I2C" device to bq27200?22:12
DocScrutinizer05that indeed would make some sense22:12
kerioi really wonder how could i still have VDQ, considering bq2415x_charger's weird behaviour wrt charge termination22:12
DocScrutinizer05so instead of i2cget 2  I'd use i2cget /dev/bq27200-022:13
freemangordonPali: the problem was not that it is notMT safe, but that g_slist_free does not assign NULL to root element22:13
freemangordonso when I g_slist_append later, the memory access is invalid22:13
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keriohrmpf, something is kinda fucked up with my n90022:16
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kerioi can't turn it off properly22:16
kerioit goes in fucking ACT_DEAD mode22:16
freemangordonkerio: what is that supposed to mean?22:16
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freemangordondo you have alarm setup?22:17
freemangordon*set up22:17
kerioyes, but the future alarm is quite far away22:17
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kerioactually no, it's even weirder22:18
kerioi can turn it off22:18
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keriobut when i push the power button, it boots into ACT_DEAD22:18
keriooh no nvm, it does that automatically22:18
kerioWHAT THE SHIT22:18
kerioi'm fucking halting from rescueos22:19
freemangordonaah, you have some neat stuff installed22:20
keriook, halting from rescueOS finally succeded, i suppose22:20
keriofreemangordon: i do have some neat stuff installed :)22:22
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keriohahaha i'm pinging my n900 via wifi *and* bt pan22:28
keriothe latency is horrendous on both ways22:28
freemangordonturn power saving off22:28
kerioit doesn't use a lot of power though :(22:28
keriooh right, i could turn that off22:28
keriofreemangordon: hm, how do i use more power?22:31
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keriooooh, wifi monitor mode22:31
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kerio400mA :D22:33
jaska400mA.. you can probably feel the heat dissipation from that22:33
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keriohi infobot!22:45
keriowe missed you!22:45
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DocScrutinizer05[2012-11-11 21:19:45] <TimRikerEvo4G> power is out. infobot down22:49
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teotwakiinfobot is hosted at Tim's home?23:05
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chem|stSysaxed2: pong23:13
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Sysaxed2chem|st, Hi!23:13
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Sysaxed2chem|st, I've made a post on the tmo but when making a thread it said that it should be verified by a moderator23:14
Sysaxed2chem|st, so DocScrutinizer05 told me to get you to do this :)23:15
Sysaxed2I can't get a link23:15
Sysaxed2but my nickname on tmo is "sysaxed"23:15
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Sysaxed2and the thread was about volume keys used as shortut23:15
Sysaxed2or how can I get a link?23:15
chem|styou should see your own posts at least in your profile23:16
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chem|steven if moderated23:17
chem|stand cut that python crap... it is getting me on a rampage23:17
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teotwakichem|st: "cut the python crap"?23:19
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Sysaxed2oh, or you've already found it..23:23
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Sysaxed2oh no.. oh no...23:27
Sysaxed2my n900 turned off and now it's unable to boot...23:27
teotwakiSysaxed2: were you using that script you posted about?23:28
Sysaxed2ok! booted after removing the battery23:29
chem|stSysaxed2: python is a pain ever since putting it on to the n90023:29
Sysaxed2chem|st, why? what's wrong?23:29
chem|stthe latest?! I needed to install some python-dev crap to build libxml2 with which I got disabled building modest no more!23:31
chem|stit was eating my desktop and my home23:31
Sysaxed2well, you don't need anything to run that script.. so it's fine...23:31
chem|stin terms of hildon-$23:31
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chem|stSysaxed2: you need python...23:31
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Sysaxed2chem|st, yes, it's most probably already installed if you have some apps installed23:32
Sysaxed2if not, well, of course it needs python...23:32
chem|stthe only thing I ever found reliable in python was battlefield2 (the game)23:32
Sysaxed2python is fine.. just an object oriented bash :D23:32
chem|steverything else was quick and dirty as any other proper language would eat time23:33
chem|stenough rant, for real now, bye cu 2morow23:33
teotwakichem|st: have you tried twisted/cyclone?23:34
teotwakichem|st: wait23:34
teotwakichem|st: do you have the ability to remove polls from a thread?23:34
teotwakichem|st: the two archival threads in community could use with the poll removal23:34
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DocScrutinizer51also could use thread merge23:52

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