| internetishard | is fennec/firefox anywhere in the repo? | 00:01 |
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| internetishard | or I have to use ovi? | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: yes, it will | 00:02 |
| vi____ | internetishard: fennac sucks major balls. | 00:02 |
| vi____ | unless you use the thumb version. | 00:02 |
| internetishard | yeah, well opera keeps crashing and I'm not using the default browser | 00:02 |
| vi____ | which is bareable. | 00:02 |
| vi____ | what is wrong with the default. | 00:02 |
| vi____ | what is wrong with the default? | 00:02 |
| internetishard | It's just not smart | 00:03 |
| internetishard | high latency. I'll type in derp.ddd on wifi, and it won't know it isn't a valid domain for 5+ seconds | 00:03 |
| vi____ | internetishard: you have adblock plus? | 00:04 |
| internetishard | maybe, not sure | 00:04 |
| internetishard | for fennec? I don't have fennec anymore since backing up apps and restoring doesn't grab it | 00:04 |
| vi____ | what? | 00:05 |
| vi____ | adblock for default browser | 00:05 |
| internetishard | not afaik | 00:05 |
| internetishard | ...whyyy | 00:05 |
| vi____ | it is well known for slowing the browser down | 00:06 |
| vi____ | hostsfile blocking seems to be faster | 00:07 |
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| internetishard | that would make sense | 00:09 |
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| vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: what is the extra 64mb unused space at the end of the emmc for? | 00:13 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, changes pushed | 00:17 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ok. code does not work, but i'll fix it | 00:18 |
| Pali | ok | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: probably to handle spare blocks | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW not every eMMC might have those extra 64MB | 00:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | emmc, not one band | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | one NAND | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | emmc is a pure block device that does not shrink with use. | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | but in principle may have per-unit initial capacity variations I guess. | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | that would be my guess too | 01:23 |
| * SpeedEvil grrs at new phone hw being available with 16g only. | 01:25 | |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's what I said, no? | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer05: yes | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer05: I was not quite awake | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np :-) | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not quite fir today either | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fit* | 01:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: was looking at nexus 4, in absence of announcement elsewhere. though I expect to at least held off till then | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | hold off | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | It's funny, even though it's double price here due to google not figuring out how to put phone in an envelope and dropping it off at usps, the price is still competititve :/ | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I almost question if t,s not subsidised. | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know how much a discount you can get if you pay up front foe a couple of million phones. | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite a bit | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard usual calculation is that every chip costs you 3 times the purchase price on sale of complete unit | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Google does have a large pile of cash. | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess that changes with number of units approaching the 7 digits | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so when selling 10 mio instead 10k units, you may expect sales price dropping to the half or a third | 01:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://markets.ft.com/research/Markets/Tearsheets/Financials?s=GOOG:NSQ | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | yow | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | closing n 50 billion cash reserves | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | It's almost certainly subsidized, because it's not sold in places wehre "Google Play" doesn't work. | 01:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 01:40 |
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| ShadowJK | And by that I mean the non-apps content | 01:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm not doing them well. | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I have so fad not used up my£15 store credit | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I've used about 5 of it. | 01:46 |
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| ShadowJK | The geolocation stuff really annoys me. | 01:50 |
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| * infobot waves | 01:51 | |
| ShadowJK | Not just that some stuff is available in only some places, but depending on where google thinks your IP is located, you get different "first page" results too | 01:51 |
| ShadowJK | And because of the enormous quantity of stuff, you might never ever find something when connecting from one IP, that you'd find immediately when connecting from another IP | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's probably their business model to monetize from apps | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your app may get on page1 in regions A, B, C but then you have to accept three times the % for google | 02:09 |
| ShadowJK | Nah it's more that it tries to figure out what's relevant for a person of specific nationality | 02:10 |
| ShadowJK | It'd be cool if it could actually correctly classify me. However, when I surf the web I randomly get ads in finnish, german, dutch, and japanese (!) :) | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, there's only one cure for that: register with google ;-P | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | enable cookies | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get a gmail account | 02:13 |
| ShadowJK | It doesn't work. | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | You're forced to register with google, and forced to get a google+ account, and forced to get gmail, when you switch on an android device. | 02:16 |
| Skry | and after that, it still shows pages in different language you actually want | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | and google play (their app store) content varies depending on whether I connect through wifi or bluetooth->n900->interwebs | 02:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how stupid google can be | 02:17 | |
| ShadowJK | Well | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder | 02:17 |
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| infobot | it's a stupid bot only | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | If I get a US VPN, do I automatically get access to the music? :-) | 02:18 |
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| Skry | I just fought with blogger last night, I've set language to english from browser, google profile and all the other their services including bloggers own settings -> still in finnish | 02:18 |
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| ShadowJK | news.google.com has been in spanish/portuguese for me the last few months. I finally managed to switch it back after viewing the website on a friend's computer and seeing where the language option was. | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | clean cookie cache | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: maybe you should do less dealextreme browsing | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | google might think you love those chinese pages | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or you write a blogpost about it. Google will nail the whole class b subnet of your carrier to your location then | 02:24 |
| ShadowJK | I was getting japanese groupon ads though, not chinese | 02:25 |
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| ShadowJK | If google was using my youtube habbits, I'd imagine they'd feed me Korean ads due to the amount of starcraft I watch | 02:26 |
| Skry | I only watch Tykylevits and vegan black metal chef from tube, wonder what kind of ads that combination would produce.. | 02:29 |
| Pali | maemo bugzilla is down too! | 02:34 |
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| Skry | damn :\ | 02:34 |
| Pali | harmattan sdk, meego wiki, maemo wiki, maemo bugzilla, what next? | 02:34 |
| Pali | bugs.maemo.org show: "Software error: Can't connect to the database." | 02:35 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05 ^^^^ | 02:35 |
| rZr | Pali, ubuntu sdk | 02:37 |
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| Hurrian | Skry, it could be worse. Installed Chrome for Android, and Google search was using my local domain and not Google.com | 03:12 |
| Hurrian | There were /no/ settings for it. | 03:12 |
| Skry | :D | 03:12 |
| Skry | wtg google | 03:12 |
| Hurrian | Ended up having to connect to my VPS's VPN to get a US location to use Google.com | 03:13 |
| Hurrian | Why is every website doing this? It's ridiculous to set location preferences automatically. | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | :-\ | 03:14 |
| Skry | user has been deprecated | 03:14 |
| Hurrian | For example, I took a trip to Japan. Checked in on bookFace at a few places, and now I still get Japanese-language ads. | 03:15 |
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| Skry | yeah, insane. | 03:19 |
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| r00t|n900 | you can always set a language preference on google, you can also disable the redirect by loading google.com/webhp | 03:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: ping | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody running cssu ? | 05:24 |
| SpeedEvil | not here | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could anybody running cssu-t test the command `apt-get update; apt-get -s upgrade` for me? (if you're typing it, don't miss the -s !) | 05:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nm. obsolete request | 07:06 |
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| devilinside | is maemo.org gng to die in dec fr sure? | 10:53 |
| devilinside | i reaally need to know as eider i will b gettin a new phn or just update my n900 | 10:54 |
| kerio | ...why can't you do both? | 10:55 |
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| kerio | it's not like your n900 will disappear once maemo.org goes down | 10:57 |
| kerio | and besides, we've got mirrors already :) | 10:57 |
| devilinside | hmm cz i reaally dn want to waste rs1200 on another set of nokia batteries, rs1500 on mugen cover n total reflash ........ | 10:57 |
| devilinside | mirrors? | 10:58 |
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| kerio | why "waste"? | 10:58 |
| kerio | again, your n900 won't disappear if maemo.org goes down | 10:58 |
| devilinside | hey, 1 mor doubt, wats d life of a nokia n900 | 10:58 |
| kerio | disappear or stop working, i mean | 10:58 |
| kerio | not being able to do shit if servers are down is an android thing | 10:58 |
| devilinside | cz bro, m limited on resources fr a while.. if i ws to update or buy in march, i wud hv dne both easily... :) | 10:59 |
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| devilinside | @kiero.. yup it wnt disappear :) :) NEVER.. but widout ne community, it wnt b gng newhr again.. | 11:00 |
| kerio | ...i literally can't understand what you just wrote | 11:00 |
| devilinside | sorryy.. | 11:00 |
| devilinside | it wont disappear .. but without any community it wont be going anywhere.. | 11:01 |
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| M4rtinK | X-Fade: any news on autobuilder status ? :) | 15:16 |
| M4rtinK | seems to be still down for me | 15:17 |
| M4rtinK | accepts package submissions but doesn't actually build any packages | 15:17 |
| * rZr http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87808# wiki.maemo.org : current archive #backup and future , #MaemO #MeeGo #Harmattan !n950club #n900 | 15:20 | |
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| vi___ | I did't choose the thumb life, the thumb life chose me. | 16:04 |
| kerio | Pali: does your applet calculate the percentage by itself? | 16:08 |
| Pali | kerio, yes and not | 16:08 |
| Pali | kerio, if it can use rx51_battery and bq27x00_battery then yes | 16:08 |
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| kerio | Pali: why can't it just use the data from bq27200? :( | 16:16 |
| Pali | which data? | 16:16 |
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| Pali | M4rtinK, autobuilder not working too? | 16:29 |
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| M4rtinK | Pali: yep | 18:21 |
| Pali | not good | 18:21 |
| Pali | when stopped working? | 18:21 |
| M4rtinK | Pali: looks like its stuck on a package, that is aptly named "cataclysm" | 18:22 |
| M4rtinK | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-November/thread.html | 18:22 |
| M4rtinK | tried this morning | 18:22 |
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| M4rtinK | but I have seen reports from yesterday | 18:24 |
| Pali | seems like nokia going to turn off servers... | 18:24 |
| Pali | maemo wiki stopped working | 18:24 |
| Pali | autobuilder too | 18:24 |
| Pali | yesterday maemo bugzilla not worked | 18:25 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC meego wiki is dead | 18:25 |
| M4rtinK | Maemo wiki works | 18:25 |
| Pali | but you cannot edit maemo wiki | 18:25 |
| M4rtinK | even though I've saved the source for my articles, just in case :) | 18:25 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, looks like I'cant log in | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: if bq27200 has accurate values (CI=0) then the percentage of charge available is basically that as delivered by bq27200. No further calculations needed. Percentage always supposed to be percentage of currently available max charge. If CI=1 and this bq27200 has no good values for any of the integrated/derived values, you need to calculate percentage of available charge from cell voltage, best done by a LUT. To convert this | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | percentage to a mAh value, you might want to multiply design-capacity of the battery by the percentage of available charge as derived from cell voltage | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's arguable if we want to use BSI for determining design-capacity in that case, or we rather use a hardcoded e.g 1400mAh | 19:19 |
| * ShadowJK would rescale 6-100 to 0-100 | 19:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with hardcoded value, user *knows* the mAh and thus TTE etc are based on incorrect values (sp when using 2nd source batteries like mugen), but user also knows the value used and easily can convert in his head to the e.g. double capacity of the battery he's actually using. | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with BSI, the assumed design capacity and thus current capacity might be more correct for e.g. mugen et al, but still might as well be wrong, and user has no idea what's the design capacity value used to calculate the mAh shown in system-applet | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually undecided what's preferable | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: nope, since device is supposed to shut down hard at EDVF, not EDV1 | 19:24 |
| ShadowJK | With my original bl-5js that was possible | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | not with the newer BL-5J and Japod though, the "knee" is really sharp :) | 19:26 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: huh? | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | EDV1 is a good trigger for starting yelling at user about battery low, and it's supposed to happen at x>0 % of remaining charge. Since EDV1 is defined as 6% charge level on discharge, it makes sense to keep it that way, not to rescale that point in discharge to 0% | 19:27 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: how good are you at kernel programming, btw? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the fact that bq27200 - for adjustment reasons - jumps from 6% -> 0% doesn't change that rationale | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since even then, there are a remaining 6% of charge supposed to be available in cell until device shuts down | 19:29 |
| kerio | i think ShadowJK says that there's not enough juice in newer BL-5Js to do a clean shutdown at EDVF | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if we say 0% charge is the moment when device shuts down hard, we mustn't rescale the percentage values of BQ27200 | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I honestly doubt that | 19:31 |
| kerio | he said something about a knee | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know that knee ;-) | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK | I mean that bq27200's 6% point of 3248mV is only vaguely accurate for the original bl-5js, with the new ones, edv1 point has almost enough power remaining to do clean shutdown. The voltage drops so fast I can't even see edvf coming, because the 1s refresh of bq27200 is not fast enough | 19:32 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: damn, how do you calibrate it? | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's do some rough reckoning: device needs 30s to shut down, might eat 1000mA during that (high values on purpose), these are 30,000mAs | 19:33 |
| kerio | oh, you mean that you can't see EDVF because then it hard shutdowns | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~30000/3600 | 19:33 |
| infobot | 8.333333333333 | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 8.3mAh | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not too much for any knee, no matter how steep | 19:33 |
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| ShadowJK | kerio; well edvf is at 3000-something mV, hard shutdown at approx 2800, but the decline from 3000 to 2800 takes less than a second | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe when you ramp up load from 5mA to 1200mA | 19:35 |
| ShadowJK | For this battery, the thresholds would be better at 3200 and 3375 :) | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then voltage will drop from 3000 to 2800mV in a millisecond | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only on poor battery with high Z though | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might agree we ideally want to allow user to config EDVF-sys | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but alas we virtually aren't able to allow this for bq27200 | 19:37 |
| ShadowJK | I havent done much testing at idle, but with my high-z batteries, there's alot use time left after 3248mV | 19:38 |
| kerio | wtf is z | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (unless we find a way to reprogram the EEPROM in device) | 19:38 |
| ShadowJK | kerio; impedance/resistance | 19:38 |
| kerio | oh | 19:38 |
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| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/volt.png the reason the cyan japod bl-5j has no datapoints logged after 3200mV is that device hard shutdown :) | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we might want to start a special mode when VBAT trips a user defined EDVF-sys, where system intentionally ramps up current drawn from battery to 500mA for 10s, every other minute, to let bq27200 detect EDVF(real) under a load as anticipated during shutdown | 19:41 |
| kerio | dafuq | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for your japod that EDVF-sys should be 3350mV I'd guess | 19:42 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: or, you know, just do things based on voltage instead of bq27200 flags | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or that | 19:43 |
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| ShadowJK | Another view, the point at which the lines touch the bottom is the minimum voltage needed to sustain more than 3248mV under maximum load http://enivax.net/jk/n900/margin.png | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though we'd never complete a learning cycle then | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: isn't that just a very screwed way to say "this battery has a Z of xy"? | 19:45 |
| ShadowJK | So with the crappy BL-5J, that point is reached at 3650-ish mV at idle, but slightly above 3400mV for the better batteries :) | 19:45 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; yes, but it takes into account a Z that changes between empty and full batt | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously a general rle for batteries is: the higher the capacity squeezed out of a given volume, the higher the Z of that cell | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rule* | 19:46 |
| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ohm.png :) | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously a physical rule introduced by electrodes getting thinner the more active chemistry you cram into that volume | 19:47 |
| ShadowJK | the higher density japod and new nokia bl-5j have better Z than I ever saw with the original 1320 nokia bl-5j :) | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, have to run to get some 'fuel' for me, for the weekend | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: that's due to better chemistry then | 19:48 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or due to better geometry | 19:48 |
| ShadowJK | Charges faster, lasts longer, holds higher voltage under load :) | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway we started with calculation of charge-percentage, it's always meant to be percentage of currently provided maximum available charge of that particular battery (=100%) to the point where device shuts down (soft but inevitably) (=0%) | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if the values from bq27200 don't extrapolate from 6% down to the point where device shuts down, then those values have to get scaled | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh, if they don't, then those values are moot anyway, since the learning cycle is based on that EDV1 voltage | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so we can't assume any battery ever reching point of shutdown at maybe 15% of bq27200 calculated available charge, since then bq27200 never could complete a learning cycle | 19:54 |
| kerio | so the high-capacity batteries are bad! | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, our handling of them is bad | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, poor | 19:54 |
| kerio | voltage is always accurate, right? | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we need a scheme as suggested by me above, to compensate for voltage drop due to Z, at end of charge | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, volatge always accurate, as is mA | 19:55 |
| ShadowJK | Ideally I'd think fire off a low battery alarm when taking into account Z, shutdown threshold would be reached at max load. soft shutdown after edv1 unless a call in progress, then just sync fs regulary and wait for hard shutdown? | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds about right | 19:56 |
| kerio | hm, soft shutdown after EDV1? :s | 19:56 |
| kerio | how do you calibrate then? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | calibration aka learning cycle completes at raching EDV1 | 19:56 |
| ShadowJK | if edv1 is raised by bq27200, then learning already happened | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reaching* | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (written especially for you, kerio) | 19:58 |
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| kerio | :3 | 19:58 |
| devilinside | hey | 19:58 |
| devilinside | i have formatted my new 32 gb card into 3 parts | 19:58 |
| devilinside | but it is not showin while swap on | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a bit more elaborate please | 19:59 |
| devilinside | not found.. :( | 19:59 |
| devilinside | while tryin to swapon , it is saying mmcblk1p2 not found | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you want to use a partition on your uSD as swap, but swapon doesn't allow it? man mkswap | 20:00 |
| devilinside | tried that but the filesystem is not showing those partitions... ls -l /dev/mmc* is not showing partition 2 n 3 | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or in short, i'd guess: mkswap mmcblk1p2 | 20:01 |
| kerio | devilinside: you're lying | 20:01 |
| kerio | or you botched the partitioning | 20:01 |
| kerio | if you used a fdisk, make sure you actually wrote the changes | 20:01 |
| devilinside | no bro, seriously.. i just bought it now only... and partitioned using gparted. | 20:01 |
| devilinside | i used gparted on ubuntu | 20:02 |
| kerio | did you actually write the changes? | 20:02 |
| devilinside | write?? apllied?? | 20:02 |
| devilinside | yea i did apply them | 20:02 |
| kerio | i suppose so, yes | 20:02 |
| kerio | does your ubuntu desktop see the partitions on the uSD? | 20:02 |
| kerio | oh, i think i know what happened | 20:02 |
| devilinside | yupp.... gparted is still showing.. | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | devilinside: use sfdisk -l on N900 | 20:03 |
| kerio | devilinside: did you do the partitioning while using the n900's mass storage mode? | 20:03 |
| devilinside | the fat partition is being shown in my phone but not the swap ones | 20:03 |
| devilinside | yessss | 20:03 |
| kerio | well, it doesn't know about the new partition table :) | 20:03 |
| devilinside | now what to do? | 20:03 |
| kerio | easier way to fix it: remove the uSD and put it back in | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't partition the exported stuff from mass storage | 20:04 |
| devilinside | thnx bro .. trying | 20:04 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you can | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BS | 20:04 |
| kerio | devilinside: i don't think we share any relative, let alone a parent | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's already exportin partitions | 20:04 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no srsly, the whole uSD is exported | 20:04 |
| kerio | NOPE.jpg | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mass stroage mode is NOT a card reader | 20:04 |
| kerio | it's actually something that i really want to change, but it does work | 20:05 |
| kerio | MSM exports /dev/mmcblk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk1 | 20:05 |
| devilinside | yupp it worked... | 20:05 |
| devilinside | thank yu bro... | 20:05 |
| devilinside | :) :) | 20:05 |
| kerio | I AM NOT YOUR BROTHER GODDAMMIT | 20:05 |
| devilinside | thinking of installing cssu too :) | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should do that | 20:06 |
| kerio | devilinside: there was also a software-only way to fix it, mind you | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really | 20:06 |
| kerio | but i would've had to look it up | 20:06 |
| devilinside | sorry have a habit of using bro in excess... | 20:06 |
| kerio | probably just fdisk and then write | 20:06 |
| kerio | or some way to notify the kernel that the partition layout was changed | 20:06 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how do we change the exporting, btw? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sfdisk is supposed to call a kernel function that's meant to reread part tbl | 20:06 |
| kerio | it's annoying, and it exports my swap partition | 20:07 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: sfdisk -R | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: get cssu, look for my patch to blacklist partition mount. I think it applies similarly to export | 20:07 |
| kerio | -R Only execute the BLKRRPART ioctl | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically formatting uSD via ass rage mode isn't really supported, by design | 20:08 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: then why does MSM export the partition table too? :) | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ARM isn't designed to support it | 20:08 |
| devilinside | hey how to set the priority for 2 partition that i have in uSD | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: it does that since it assumes super floppy format on uSD | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my take on it | 20:09 |
| kerio | i'm so glad nokia thinks i'm a moron | 20:09 |
| kerio | devilinside: the stock swapon doesn't support that | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I *have* to hurry now | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bbl | 20:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wait, i'm about to suggest busybox-power to a noob! | 20:10 |
| kerio | >:D | 20:10 |
| devilinside | i have that already | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't care less | 20:10 |
| kerio | then... swapon -p <priority> /dev/<device file> | 20:10 |
| kerio | doesn't it work? | 20:10 |
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| devilinside | after swapon on SD , tried swapoff the emmc.. it restarted | 20:14 |
| kerio | ...wat | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 20:15 |
| devilinside | i tried keeping SD swap as only one.. | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WFM | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you did mkswap on uSD? | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no swap without mkswap | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | man mkswap | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (fremantle kernel doesn't support swapfiles though, beware!) | 20:17 |
| kerio | wait, what? :O | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what what? | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF is infobot? | 20:19 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the more i hear about the stock kernel, the more i realize that it sucks | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why support cruft that's not used? it bloats kernel | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (^^^ Nokia's thinking, quite legitimate) | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | less cruft, less bugs, less bootup time | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | less space used up it mtd | 20:22 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: indeed | 20:22 |
| kerio | i bet that's also the reason FOR THE SHITTON OF AWFUL STUFF IN PREINIT | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, that's "never touch a running system" rule applying here | 20:22 |
| kerio | that doesn't apply | 20:23 |
| kerio | i think you mean "don't fix what isn't broken" | 20:23 |
| kerio | there hasn't been a live n810 system transferred to a n900 | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure about that? | 20:23 |
| ShadowJK | swapfile on vfat hangs with stock kernel | 20:23 |
| ShadowJK | also, filefrag hangs :-) | 20:24 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: without powering it down, i mean | 20:24 |
| kerio | if anything, because i doubt there's a way | 20:24 |
| kerio | you'd have to physically move the RAM and tweak the CPU registers, or something like that | 20:24 |
| kerio | ...i suppose it's doable with JTAG | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see your point, nevertheless the saying is like i quoted it, afaik | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while the meaning is like you suggested | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might be wrong | 20:26 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how to deal with "PLZ HLP! can't create xy. PLZ HLP!" PM | 20:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PM!!! | 20:27 |
| kerio | HLP HIM | 20:27 |
| kerio | PLZ | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "sorry dude, I'm not an expert for that and my time doesn't allow to fix this for you in private mail. Please ask on tmo, so others might help too" ? | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+status | 20:29 |
| infobot | Since Sat Nov 10 03:44:15 2012, there have been 1 modification, 11 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 10 commands. I have been awake for 14h 45m 5s this session, and currently reference 118787 factoids. I'm using about 22272 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 194.47/2.76 child 0/0 | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 20:29 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v infobot | 20:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 20:29 |
| infobot | from memory, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 20:29 |
| ShadowJK | wtf, opera has started crashing | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gdb time | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | i wonder if it's due to opera servers being down | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | easy to check | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /etc/hosts is your first friend | 20:32 |
| kerio | dafuq, i can't connect to my wifi network | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I had that a while ago | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only a reboot did cure stuff | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | it crashes immediately after it retrieves a .js file from opera | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | been pretty pissed about it | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: lol | 20:34 |
| kerio | let's try the bleeding edge drivers :D | 20:34 |
| * ShadowJK unloads and reloads normal drivers when it doesnt connect to wifi | 20:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't help for me | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe I simply CBA, after offline mode didn't help | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought offline mode would unload drivers | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway been a one-shot bug so far for me, so I forgot about it rather fast | 20:36 |
| kerio | this is BS :c | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | esp since nobody seemed to care | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's that other bug in WiFi where it sticks connected to a AP that's possibly 100s of miles away already | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth fishy in that WiFi crap | 20:37 |
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| kerio | indeed | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I've also seen DHCP lease not getting renewed for GPRS | 20:38 |
| kerio | moving data over the air | 20:38 |
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| kerio | it's clearly black magic | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also a situation I usually have to solve by reboot | 20:39 |
| kerio | connected without a hitch | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and occasionally (two times so far) modem blows chunks and doesn't allow 2G data connectivity anymore, while 3G works just fine | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -->reboot | 20:40 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you sure that can't be fixed by a stop sscd; start sscd? | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, not sure | 20:41 |
| kerio | anyway, the error i was getting was "link not ready" | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the "can't connect to home WiFi" bug been actually rather obscure and scary. It simply didn't display my home AP anymore in list of available networks | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe my memory is cloudy on that event | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (as you might've guessed, I spoiled it regarding shopping food for weekend - as usual) | 20:43 |
| kerio | don't lie, you're german, you guys don't have food up there | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends on your definition, I guess | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got pretty decent milk at least, sth you never heard of | 20:45 |
| kerio | let's just say edibility isn't sufficient to classify something as food, for me | 20:45 |
| kerio | meh, the milk in my city is fairly decent | 20:46 |
| kerio | but yeah, there's a distinct difference when compared to fresh milk from a farmer :) | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you actually got milk that's not been killed and ruined by heating it to 120°C | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 20:47 |
| kerio | not in stores | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gathered as much | 20:47 |
| kerio | i thought pasteurization was a lower temperature than that | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UHT | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | best-before: 2013-05-31 | 20:48 |
| kerio | oh, we also have fresh milk | 20:48 |
| ShadowJK | farmer's milk tastes a bit nasty after drinking fat-free milk | 20:48 |
| kerio | the one with a shelf life of... 5 days | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine! :-) | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's 'real' milk | 20:49 |
| kerio | used to be 4, a year ago | 20:49 |
| kerio | i thought that was a given, actually :s | 20:49 |
| * ShadowJK likes the sausages you can get hot from small kiosks | 20:49 | |
| kerio | you mean there's places where you can only get UHT milk? :( | 20:50 |
| * ShadowJK had never seen UHT milk before visiting germany | 20:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought whole italy was like that, same for whole Spain, and Greece | 20:50 |
| kerio | that's the "emergency" milk we sometimes buy, especially at my holiday house, because the closest shop is like 10 minutes away by car | 20:51 |
| amospalla | guys, how safe would you say is cssu-thumb ? My n900 is my main phone, and is highly customized, reflashing is half a day full of work, and I'm afraid something goes wrong | 20:51 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i think it's fair to say BITCH PLEASE | 20:52 |
| kerio | amospalla: ...why aren't you using backupmenu already? | 20:52 |
| kerio | amospalla: given that, it's completely and absolutely safe* | 20:52 |
| kerio | *note: may not be completely and absolutely safe | 20:52 |
| amospalla | youre right | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, cssu-thimb is as safe as your backup measures are | 20:53 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the same can be said about CSSU actually :) | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:53 |
| amospalla | I rsync daily the full phone | 20:53 |
| kerio | amospalla: hm, that won't really work properly | 20:53 |
| kerio | i mean, it's a live system | 20:54 |
| kerio | opened files and stuff | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it kinda works, but isn't exactly easy to restore | 20:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: make tarball, restore tarball with backupmenu :) | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, you might see problems with open files | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 20:54 |
| infobot | i heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no open files | 20:54 |
| kerio | amospalla: before installing any kind of cssu you are strongly advised to install backupmenu and do a full backup | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | easy restore | 20:54 |
| kerio | amospalla: once you have that, restoring is really easy | 20:55 |
| kerio | even if you completely fuck up things | 20:55 |
| kerio | there's even a fiasco image of stock PR1.3 with backupmenu already installed | 20:55 |
| amospalla | so, there is no way to do a functional backup with the live file system ? | 20:56 |
| amospalla | I remember playing with backup menu some months ago | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amospalla: be aware though that, while maybe rather stable in binaries, the *maintenance* of cssu-thumb is sub-par and no way at same level as cssu-stable or even cssu-testing | 20:56 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hey! >:( | 20:56 |
| kerio | it's effectively the same as cssu-testing! | 20:56 |
| amospalla | yes, I guess its less stable than testing, Im using stable now | 20:56 |
| amospalla | well, its testing, plus new packages compiled with thumb, so there is always an added risk | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's additional steps involved in setup of cssu-thumb | 20:57 |
| amospalla | but, I remember playing with backupmenu, and doing an rsync from root, got more bytes than could be put on that root file system | 20:57 |
| amospalla | doing rsync from backupmen | 20:58 |
| kerio | amospalla: that's the magic of ubifs | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and updates are not same smooth process as for cssu-s | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or -t | 20:58 |
| amospalla | ohhh.. ok, I understand now | 20:58 |
| amospalla | so, what does that mean, could I restore that rsync copy later to root volume? | 20:58 |
| amospalla | if I have more bytes to restore than df shows me that volume can handle? | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | file-by-file yes | 20:59 |
| kerio | amospalla: well, it did fit previously :) | 20:59 |
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| amospalla | hum... my mind can not process that, I must read about ubifs | 20:59 |
| kerio | my latest rootfs backup is 303MB | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dd to /dev/mtd6, no | 20:59 |
| kerio | it's just transparent compression | 20:59 |
| amospalla | ohhhh.... ok | 20:59 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ubimkvol to /dev/mtd6 yes, though :3 | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 21:00 |
| kerio | ubi is weird as shit though, even without ubifs on top | 21:00 |
| kerio | it's how you make UBI images | 21:00 |
| kerio | and/or flash them, i'm not sure | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd like to go further the path of nanddump/nandwrite we explored some weeks ago, kerio | 21:00 |
| kerio | amospalla: in theory, backupmenu can restore the tarball you made with rsync | 21:00 |
| amospalla | so, rsync from live file system, with right parameters is not good enough for a backup? | 21:01 |
| amospalla | I know it's not recommended | 21:01 |
| kerio | amospalla: it's just kinda weird to restore | 21:01 |
| amospalla | but it would be like a copy of a hard reset state | 21:01 |
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| amospalla | yes, but within backupmenu, I can do rsync | 21:01 |
| amospalla | and I remember had some script of that | 21:01 |
| kerio | amospalla: because we all know unclean shutdowns are so good for your data :P | 21:01 |
| kerio | amospalla: of course | 21:01 |
| kerio | you can do that from rescueOS too | 21:01 |
| kerio | really, any system that doesn't actually mount the maemo rootfs | 21:02 |
| kerio | the question is *why*, though? | 21:02 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: for the kernel, you mean? | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the recommended way however is: do a BM backup to a tarball on uSD, restore from same tarball if needed | 21:02 |
| amospalla | I understand, but using it daily is a pain | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: not only kernel, maybe even disk-image of / | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from inside BM | 21:03 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, that won't work | 21:03 |
| kerio | and it's also wasteful | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, basically for such scheme it's irrelevant which partition to backup, first instance | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we could even do a suspend-to-disk and then get an image of the swapfile. start up system into live state rather than booting ;-) | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | won't possibly work out for cmt | 21:05 |
| kerio | offline mode/stopped sscd maybe | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a few other peripherals that never get shutdown during suspend-to-disk | 21:06 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: anyway, apparently nandwriting/flash_erasealling an UBI volume is a big no | 21:06 |
| kerio | also, this is fucking UNIX | 21:07 |
| kerio | and in fucking UNIX, we make tarballs, not images | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the idea to install and start up a suspended live system rather than a rootfs to boot from, quite intriguing an idea | 21:07 |
| amospalla | Ill take the risk of daily rsync from live data :( | 21:07 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you used windows 8 too much, i think | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, don't even know what that is | 21:08 |
| kerio | apparently, "shutdown" means "hibernate" now | 21:08 |
| devilinside | restarted again... yeah i had done mkswap n then swapon.. | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amospalla: for daily backups rsync is probably just fine | 21:09 |
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| vi_ | greetz | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi vi_ | 21:09 |
| kerio | hi | 21:09 |
| vi_ | can anyone jog my memory... | 21:10 |
| vi_ | How do I enable portrait desktop mode? | 21:10 |
| amospalla | I think Im trying cssu-thumb, the idea of more memory is so appealing | 21:10 |
| kerio | gconftool something something | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amospalla: for restoring a broken system from scratch though, you wanna use genuine BM measures | 21:10 |
| amospalla | from backup menu, having console, network and rsync, couldnt work? | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: where? cssu-s? | 21:10 |
| kerio | amospalla: why bother with that? | 21:11 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: cssu-t | 21:11 |
| vi_ | I just managed to clone a second n900 from my first. | 21:11 |
| vi_ | it is for mrs vi__ | 21:11 |
| vi_ | What a mission. | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: in -t you got that status-applet | 21:11 |
| vi_ | yup. | 21:11 |
| vi_ | All the applications rotate, just not the desktop. | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | portait autorotate should be on by default | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, see cssu wiki | 21:12 |
| vi_ | I went out of my way to remove portrait mode from my device. | 21:12 |
| amospalla | kerio: beucause my daily backup consists of rsync data, and the restore is best done from backupmenu | 21:12 |
| amospalla | and having backupmenu with network and an rsync executable, I can restore | 21:12 |
| kerio | amospalla: yeah but it's going to be a lot faster if you make a full backup on a local storage medium | 21:12 |
| vi_ | found it... | 21:12 |
| vi_ | I think | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat bin/no-portrait-gconfkey | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #!/bin/sh | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool false | 21:13 |
| amospalla | yes, true, but what I try to explain is that what is more comfortable is backup from live data, rsync script, that have to shutdown and do backupmenu | 21:13 |
| vi_ | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/desktop_orientation_lock -t bool true | 21:13 |
| vi_ | heh, you beat me to it. | 21:13 |
| vi_ | It is crazy how utterly different everyones N900 setup is. | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | amospalla: see my previous suggestion to do 'full' backup via BM once, and keep rsync for later recovery of latest changes | 21:16 |
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| amospalla | DocScrutinizer05: oh I understand | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm also doing daily rsync, see | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 21:19 |
| infobot | i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all down to the bottom of that page | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | completely invisible to me | 21:19 |
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| kerio | this reminds me, i should make a BM backup | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still I doo a BM backup before any system upgrade | 21:19 |
| kerio | i only do that before testing silly things :3 | 21:20 |
| kerio | like Pali's bme replacement | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that too | 21:20 |
| vi_ | turns out a good way to speed up going from reflash to backup menu installed is to set r&D mode when you do a flash. | 21:20 |
| kerio | dafuq, my phone entered ACT_DEAD mode on shutdown | 21:20 |
| vi_ | This allows root access without rootsh package (which involves using HAM) | 21:21 |
| kerio | vi_: tru dat | 21:21 |
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| kerio | an even faster way is to restore robbiethe1st's fiasco image | 21:21 |
| vi_ | which inturn allows you to edit sources.list and activate extras in one move. | 21:21 |
| vi_ | kerio: How did he make that image? | 21:21 |
| kerio | idk | 21:21 |
| amospalla | this is a lot of interesting information | 21:22 |
| vi_ | kerio: God knows what spyware and porndialers he hid in it. | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | activate extras? AFAIK it's activvated by default since PR1.2 | 21:22 |
| vi_ | ah. You are too young to remember porn dialers. | 21:22 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: apparently hammering on the power button can cause that | 21:22 |
| kerio | vi_: nope | 21:22 |
| kerio | not *that* young | 21:22 |
| vi_ | ...how young? | 21:22 |
| kerio | (i did get DSL at a young age, though) | 21:22 |
| kerio | i was born in '92 | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *wrote* them ;-P | 21:23 |
| vi_ | Is that a fucking joke? | 21:23 |
| kerio | no sir | 21:23 |
| kerio | hold on, which part? | 21:23 |
| kerio | my age, or the fact that i remember dialers? | 21:23 |
| vi_ | Your age. | 21:23 |
| kerio | neither is a joke, i'm afraid | 21:23 |
| vi_ | I have never read jwtools before. | 21:24 |
| vi_ | There is some interesting shit here. | 21:24 |
| kerio | vi_: i'm sorry you're more likely to die before me :( | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: why a joke? you thought he's 8 years? | 21:24 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: like, 14. | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 21:24 |
| * kerio feels insulted | 21:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: (jrtools) hehe, see what you've missed | 21:25 |
| vi_ | fix a bug that re-appears with each new CSSU upgrade: | 21:27 |
| vi_ | apt-get install rtcom-accounts-voip-support | 21:27 |
| vi_ | ^what is this? | 21:27 |
| kerio | vi_: something that's not needed anymore | 21:27 |
| amospalla | wow, man-db-n900, how many times Ive done man xx | 21:27 |
| kerio | vi_: if it turns out that it's needed, file a bug :) | 21:28 |
| amospalla | anyone knows what is that gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav -t int 5 ? | 21:29 |
| kerio | alt-tab-like task-switching | 21:30 |
| vi_ | amospalla: Yes, you want it. | 21:30 |
| * kerio doesn't use it | 21:30 | |
| vi_ | kerio: Is pali's non bme charging working yet? | 21:31 |
| kerio | been using it for a couple of days | 21:31 |
| kerio | works fine | 21:31 |
| kerio | once i woke up to a shut-down n900, though | 21:32 |
| kerio | charging | 21:32 |
| vi_ | kerio: You have bme killed at the time? | 21:33 |
| kerio | with nothing in the logs | 21:33 |
| kerio | vi_: if you have the whole replacement package installed, you have *no bme* | 21:33 |
| vi_ | kerio: aah, so it was plugged in, failed to charge and ran out of battery? | 21:33 |
| kerio | no, no, it was charging | 21:33 |
| vi_ | charging and died? | 21:33 |
| kerio | (besides, i went to sleep when the battery was like at half charge, it should've survived a night in standby) | 21:34 |
| kerio | i have no fucking clue | 21:34 |
| kerio | anyway, install it | 21:35 |
| kerio | it's neat | 21:35 |
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| vi_ | I will. | 21:35 |
| vi_ | On my stunt n900 | 21:35 |
| vi_ | no more bricking my main phone for me. | 21:36 |
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| ron0062000 | when is the next update | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ron0062000: update of what? | 21:56 |
| ron0062000 | ssu testing | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pending since ~2 weeks now | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask merlin1991 | 21:57 |
| ron0062000 | ok | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems each time we're about to start internal rollout tests of image to deploy, somebody pops up with a bugreport against one of the included components and makes us postpone the rollout | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not saying this is the supposed way to handle things, but actually it seems it's how things are handled right now | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui one of the problems is that there's no easy procedure to roll back to a previous version of compnents already delivered/shipped in former cssu revisions. I might be wrong on that | 22:02 |
| ron0062000 | i need help should community ssu testing catalogs be open or community ssh be open or both | 22:04 |
| ron0062000 | i ment ssu | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<vi_> ^what is this?)) check apt-cache policy rtcom-accounts-voip-support. if it's not installed, you got hit by that bug | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the bug disables voip calls | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | SIP, not friggin skype | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ron0062000: depending on your flavor you installed, you should keep catalog for testing or catalog for stable enabled. Don't mess with the other catalogs unless you know what you're doing | 22:09 |
| ron0062000 | my flavor is testing | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then your catalog "Community SSU (testing)" should be enabled, all other "Community *" catalogs disabled | 22:13 |
| ron0062000 | thank | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: security reasons, eh? ;-P | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | one of the secrets of a userfriendly distro is to follow same policy as much as possible, at very least inside one domain/topic, like HAM catalogs | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | assuming user knows which of the "Community *" catalogs to enable or disable, while not allowing user to edit name of maemo-extras is hardly following one consistent policy | 22:17 |
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| devilinside | help!! kiero :'( | 22:18 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the "correct" thing would be to separate the GPG keys for each repo, and then add those keys to HAM | 22:18 |
| devilinside | it is still rebooting.. :( | 22:18 |
| kerio | in a hidden way | 22:18 |
| kerio | devilinside: dude, i don't know what you've done | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if CSSU policy regarding catalog handling is to allow user all reasonable freedom of choice (sth I support much), then we should apply same policy to all catalogs | 22:18 |
| devilinside | did everything written in wiki.. | 22:18 |
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| kerio | written *where* in the wiki? | 22:18 |
| kerio | how have you disabled the swap partition on the eMMC? | 22:19 |
| devilinside | wenever i swapon , the ram goes to 197m n then it rebboots after sometime.. | 22:19 |
| devilinside | http://wiki.maemo.org/Swap_on_microSD | 22:19 |
| devilinside | http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Swap_on_microSD | 22:19 |
| devilinside | tried the first script.. it rebooted instantly.. | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | devilinside: if your swaps are not same size, then switching off the larger swap might not get compensated by providing a new smaller swap. result would be a reboot | 22:20 |
| devilinside | my swap size are of 1.5 gb each.. | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too much, frankly | 22:21 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i've got 1gb, but only because otherwise the fucking image viewer complains about "too little memory" | 22:21 |
| kerio | i used to run 4gb | 22:21 |
| devilinside | @doc - ned to lower it? | 22:22 |
| devilinside | 4gb in one partition? | 22:22 |
| kerio | devilinside: meh, i don't think it's the reason | 22:22 |
| kerio | it could be the stupid "reboot on $something unresponsive due to IO" | 22:22 |
| devilinside | then what hould be? on swap on, the ram usage goes near 200M | 22:23 |
| kerio | wait, what? | 22:23 |
| kerio | that makes no sense | 22:23 |
| devilinside | tried that nice -20 but failed.. | 22:23 |
| devilinside | *197M | 22:24 |
| devilinside | normally, ram usage is 145 M , and then it suddenly goes to 1297 M ... conky.. | 22:24 |
| devilinside | n more.. | 22:24 |
| kerio | i don't get it | 22:24 |
| kerio | ram *usage* at more than 1GB is not normal | 22:24 |
| kerio | and the fact that it causes reboots is unsurprising | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exec | sudo gainroot <<EOF ?? | 22:25 |
| devilinside | before swapon , on normal emmc swap ram is nearly used abiut 145 M to 160 M.. but as soon as i swap on it goes to 197 n comes down to 189M | 22:25 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: which package does that? | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't even know how to read that | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Swap_on_microSD | 22:26 |
| kerio | oh gods | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exec a pipe to sudo? | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or what does that mean? | 22:27 |
| kerio | execs "exec sh $0 $*" or something | 22:27 |
| kerio | as root | 22:27 |
| kerio | i don't even | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't exec a pipe | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 22:27 |
| devilinside | no idea.. askthose who wrote the script... | 22:27 |
| kerio | he's not executing a pipe | 22:27 |
| devilinside | its something to get root prweviliges.. | 22:27 |
| devilinside | maybe.. | 22:27 |
| kerio | he's executing, and piping the output to | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: no way | 22:27 |
| kerio | i should put my swapswap script there | 22:28 |
| devilinside | do it plzz.. | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | input to sudo gainroot is redirected from here-document | 22:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so no way to pipe something to it, even if exec would have *anything* to pipe | 22:28 |
| kerio | devilinside: it's not something i'm particularly proud of | 22:29 |
| kerio | it's kinda ugly | 22:29 |
| kerio | also, it doesn't do anything with the onboard swap | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exec without arguments simply sets stdin, stdou and stderr filehandles of the running script to their defaults | 22:29 |
| devilinside | but maybe it will work on my n900.. | 22:29 |
| devilinside | its not about pride( btw, u shud take pride in it) but for helpin a fellow troubled person | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CBA to test that cryptic command, but I'd simply say it's buggy | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without the | it would makje some sense | 22:30 |
| devilinside | okay.. whats the first step for swpon? | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the pipe| though is nonsense in my book | 22:31 |
| kerio | devilinside: why do you even need a script | 22:31 |
| kerio | devilinside: sudo swapon /dev/mmcblk1p2 && sudo swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 | 22:31 |
| devilinside | because i tried all my lil knowledge which turned out to be useless... | 22:31 |
| devilinside | yeahh did the same.. | 22:31 |
| devilinside | after the first command, the RAM usage goes higher and the n restarts after swapoff.. | 22:32 |
| kerio | you're lying | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | devilinside: let more savvy users here help you on a step-by-step test | 22:32 |
| devilinside | i swear... | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a cryptic script won't help you out | 22:33 |
| kerio | unless you have something really weird installed | 22:33 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i've never once used my swapswap script :s | 22:33 |
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| devilinside | yeah have lot many things installed but what should be the trouble? | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: please! telling users "you're lying" is an insult | 22:34 |
| kerio | devilinside: something that shits itself once the RAM changes | 22:35 |
| devilinside | okay.. so m going to format it now and then report... | 22:35 |
| kerio | don't | 22:35 |
| kerio | :c | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not even sure devilinside's uSD partitioning is in line with that script | 22:35 |
| devilinside | yeah yeah it is.. | 22:36 |
| devilinside | ls -l /dev/mmc* | 22:36 |
| devilinside | shows l1p1, l1p2, l1p3 | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you did mkswap on both swap partitons on the uSD? | 22:36 |
| devilinside | whr p1 is for mmc | 22:36 |
| devilinside | i did it on both... | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so swapon works for both? | 22:37 |
| kerio | devilinside: have you installed syslog? | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh! | 22:37 |
| devilinside | syslog? maybe no... | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why syslog? | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first test elementary functions manually, one by one | 22:37 |
| kerio | maybe something complained about the extra ram and logged about it | 22:37 |
| devilinside | yes.. swapon worked on both but openng any other application or swapoff is just letting it to reboot. | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then your uSD is defect, i'd suppose | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IO error on accessing swap | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -->boot | 22:39 |
| kerio | ooh, could be | 22:39 |
| devilinside | then how to check the correctness of the partitions. | 22:40 |
| kerio | badblocks, maybe? | 22:40 |
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| kerio | devilinside: do you have a real card reader and a computer with linux handy? | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umount/swapoff both partitons, then do a dd if=$partition of=/dev/null | 22:40 |
| devilinside | but ubuntu 11.10 and no card reader .. | 22:40 |
| devilinside | but after a swapon and swapoff it survived this time till i started opera .. | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and also a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/$partition | 22:41 |
| devilinside | after opening one tab it restarted.. | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's irrelevant | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swap will cause boot when needed thus used | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not earlier | 22:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so the moment when device reboots is determined by ram usage which in turn is depending on a lot of factors | 22:43 |
| devilinside | okay... | 22:43 |
| devilinside | yeah but a sudden increase on swapon n swapoff... | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course it will try to use new swap when you swapoff oldswap | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless oldswap been completely unused at that moment | 22:44 |
| devilinside | the old swap is nearly unused after the reboot caused because of on/off swap... it was about 30MB while RAM=170M | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | useless to muse about it. If your uSD has IO errors, then enabling swap on it will cause kernel panic ar random point in time | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next step in bughunting: test that uSD in same device, but without any swap involved | 22:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | usual symptom of flaky uSD: a dd if=/dev/zero of=$some-location-on-uSD bs=100k count=10000 will abort at random, some 100k to 100M into the write | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seen this several times | 22:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if it doesn't, we're facing a more arcane problem | 22:57 |
| devilinside | it still is going on.. not terminating.. | 22:59 |
| devilinside | lets c if it terminates or not... | 22:59 |
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| devilinside | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1p2 bs=100k count 10000 | 23:00 |
| devilinside | 976.6MB copied with &.#MB/s | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks good, yes | 23:00 |
| devilinside | 7.3MB/s | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 23:01 |
| Pali | seems that jolla device will have unlocked root account: https://twitter.com/ettoredn/status/267039167777755137 | 23:01 |
| devilinside | 10000+) records in and out | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mkswap /dev/mmcblk1p2 | 23:01 |
| devilinside | done.. | 23:01 |
| devilinside | gives - setting swap space blah blah.. | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swapon /dev/mmcblk1p2; swapoff /dev/mmcblk1p2 | 23:02 |
| devilinside | lemme try this.. | 23:02 |
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| devilinside | error../dev/mmcblkp1p2 : invalid argument now.. | 23:03 |
| devilinside | *mmcblk1p2 | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, there's a typo | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strange | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mount|grep mmcblk1p2 | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | Pali; maybe it's a useless root harmattan-like? :) | 23:05 |
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| devilinside | gave nothing | 23:05 |
| Pali | ShadowJK, maybe... | 23:05 |
| Pali | or maybe not | 23:05 |
| Pali | but I do not trust nokia/jolla anymore... | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sfdisk -l | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sfdisk -l | grep mmcblk1p2 | 23:06 |
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| devilinside | trying trying wait.. | 23:08 |
| devilinside | iots rebooting again.. | 23:08 |
| devilinside | tried p3 this time.. again rebooted.. | 23:08 |
| devilinside | everytime i swapoff 0p3, the swap starts to decrease and ram increase.. | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: so what | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swapoff mmcblk0p3 will switch off your genuine swap | 23:10 |
| devilinside | y shud used swap decreas? as i have already assigned another swap space.. | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's supposed to reboot instantly unless there's another swap available, or enough 'free' ram | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not going to help any furhter on investigating same old failing procedure over and over | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm about to watch TV, and my time for IRC is interfering with that | 23:12 |
| devilinside | sorry about your timeloss!! thanx for your help!! | 23:12 |
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| devilinside | what was this supposed to give? | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://pastebin.com/ZHTsK9Yc | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FWIW | 23:55 |
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