IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-11-08

jon_ythat would likely be autotools00:00
jon_y./configure CFLAGS="-g -O2 -mfpu=neon"00:00
vi__so should I pass the the cflags to configure when it generates the makefile?00:00
vi__jon_y: Thank you. I owe you 1 donut.00:00
jon_ynot needed after that00:01
vi__what are these:00:01
vi__-mfpu=neon -ftree-vectorize -fgraphite -lto00:01
jon_yif the configure has been written sanely, you can just do CFLAGS=-mfpu=neon00:01
jon_ythose are link time optimizations00:02
vi__are these all cflags?00:02
jon_yCFLAGS are used by C compile and link time00:02
jon_yCXXFLAGS for C++ equivalent00:02
jon_yCPPFLAGS are compile time flags used by both C and C++00:02
vi__configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables00:02
jon_ylook into configure.log00:03
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jon_yor post it on pastebin00:03
vi__cat ./configure.log00:03
DocScrutinizer05W*T*F??  10 hours?00:03
DocScrutinizer05endless loop00:03
jon_y10 hours of silence? :)00:03
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jon_yvi__: likely it should be -flto00:04
jon_ynot -lto00:04
vi__jon_y: I was just in the process of eliminating the possibilities00:05
vi__what is the -lto mean?00:05
jon_yautotools is awesome, best buildsystem, even when MSVC and windows is involved :)00:05
jon_y-lto means link to libto00:05
jon_y-flto oth means use link time optimization00:05
vi__It does seem to be making the devilishly complicated  process of compilation a piece of cake.00:05
jon_ybut it works very well, unlike cmake00:06
jon_yespecially when cross compiling00:06
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vi__error 1.00:08
vi__./base/hash/cl_hash2.h:121:9: note: use 'this->_garcol_fun' instead00:08
vi__make[1]: *** [cl_rcpointer2_hashweak_rcpointer.lo] Error 100:08
vi__make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/paul/pi/cln-1.3.1/src'00:08
vi__make: *** [all-recursive] Error 100:08
jon_ylooks like an error from the compiler00:09
jon_ymaybe some c++ template exploded?00:09
jon_yyou may want to set CXXFLAGS too00:09
vi__set it to what?00:10
jon_yCXXFLAGS to the same thing as CFLAGS00:10
vi__jon_y: oh, ok.00:11
jon_yeg the neon thing00:11
jon_yotherwise, the C++ code may not be using neon at all00:11
vi__you cannot shoehorn neon into non neon specific code?00:13
jon_ymaybe, but without it, your C++ is compiled without -mfpu=neon00:14
jon_yCFLAGS only affects C compile, CXXFLAGS for C++00:14
jon_yI assume it's C++ anyway from the "this" pointer00:14
jon_yit is still possible somebody called the pointer "this" in C00:15
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DocScrutinizer05jon_y: not silence - actually I think it's been a while since I've last seen something insane as
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: youtube poop everywhere!00:19
DocScrutinizer05what's this 10 hours crap about anyway? some new form of dadaism in video arts?00:20
jon_yit's just youtub poop00:20
jon_yfile it as the same category as nyan cat00:20
DocScrutinizer05in fact nyan cat is in that list00:21
jon_yheh, I see it00:21
DocScrutinizer05480 hours of torture00:21
DocScrutinizer05handed to evil 3letter agencies free of charge00:22
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: use with sensory deprivation? :)00:22
DocScrutinizer05oops 490:00:0100:22
jon_ywhat is that?00:24
SpeedEviljacekowski: discussions of, and advice on what tomdonwhen you find a GPL violator00:24
vi__a man in a horses head mask and a mankini cooking fly agaric mushrooms.00:24
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SpeedEviljacekowski: do you have any code in the kernel?00:26
SpeedEviloh, you said ecos nvm00:26
vi__jon_y: can anything be compiled as a static binary?00:26
jon_yit really depends00:27
jon_yyou can try adding -static00:27
vi__I guess it would need all the code for the depends.00:27
vi__needs sigc++00:29
jon_yfor static libraries, things get a bit complicated00:29
vi__I donut even know what that is.00:30
jon_ystatic libraries must be specified with all the dependencies explicitly when used at link time00:30
vi__I assumed as much.00:30
jon_yvi__: I just watched your video, I have to say:00:30
jon_yWTF Japan?00:31
vi__that is why 'wgetting' the source from debian website seems so 'wrong'00:31
jon_ynot that it's a bad thing, song was catchy :)00:31
jon_yactually, it has nothing to do with debian00:31
vi__you should hear the musin in the original.00:31
jon_yyeah, I should look for it00:32
jon_ystatic libs are just unlinked libs, you need to fulfill the link time requirements00:32
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jon_yI know ELF allows undefined symbols, but your executable may complain about the symbols and exit at runtime00:33
jon_yso best to deal with it before shipping your programs00:33
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: eCos is GPL so it's still a violation00:34
jacekowskiunless there is some commercial version of it00:34
jon_yvi__: for libc version, you can try running /lib/ from the shell00:35
jon_yit may work or not00:35
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* DocScrutinizer05 likes to teach infobot some new ~lart procedure, along the lines of "infobot ties $deliquent to a chair and plays a 10h Nyan cat to $deliquent"00:36
DocScrutinizer05might consider it for a hold-the-line music on next PBX I need to configure00:37
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jon_yvi__: was that youtube link a youtube sync mix?00:38
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer05: i've got a pbx to configure00:39
vi__jon_y: I dont know what a sync mix is.00:39
DocScrutinizer05vi__: >>Unfortunately, this UMG-music-content is not available in Germany because GEMA has not granted the respective music publishing rights.<<00:39
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vi__jacekowski: use the portal radio music.00:40
jon_yvi__: video synched with a random piece of music00:40
jon_ysome of them match very very well00:40
vi__jon_y: I do not know.00:40
DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: need a link to Nyan Cat?00:40
jon_yI saw a call of duty blackops trailer sync once00:40
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer05: have you got version that it's voip codec friendly?00:41
jacekowskithat is*00:41
DocScrutinizer05or rather, the question is: are you THAT misanthropic?00:41
DocScrutinizer05dunno, depends on your codec I guess00:42
DocScrutinizer05711a or what's the name should work ;-D00:42
jacekowskii'll have to try it then00:42
jacekowskiwell, what if someone calls from gsm00:42
DocScrutinizer05here you are00:43
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DocScrutinizer05in HD!!!!!!!!00:43
jon_ycan't find the blackops trailer mixed with 80s music anymore00:44
jon_ysomehow it was perfect00:44
DocScrutinizer05no hypnotoad and nyan cat fight in my brain, what a terrible mess00:45
Skrymy favorite chars00:45
SkryI find nyan cat very calming00:45
DocScrutinizer05I think it is like a mixture of meth and sulfuric acid to the brain00:46
DocScrutinizer05well, if you got ADHS actually nyan cat might calm you down00:47
DocScrutinizer05my feeling about that, no offense intended00:48
jon_ytry LSD dream simulator :)00:50
SkryNone taken, sometimes when your brain is on "overdrive" too long and you've had way too much caffeine (or meth) and shit starts breaking around you, 10 minutes of nyan cat quite efficiently stops all brain functions.00:50
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vi__I think I may have thumb compiled bzip200:51
vi__and libbz2.so00:51
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vi__So this proves it works, how does one upload it to autobuilder?00:52
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MrPinguvi_: congratz00:54
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vi__I guess the wise thing to do is to upload it to a test device and confirm that neon vectorisation has improved the performance.00:57
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vi__how do you do a 'full reset' on the bq27x00 chip?01:17
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RiDpoor boy01:35
RiDno one told him how01:35
DocScrutinizer05he'll find out sooner or later01:36
RiDI bet the later, because he's going to sleep01:36
DocScrutinizer05after a day with battery removed he will magically find the answer01:36
RiDhow about over a month without it :(01:37
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DocScrutinizer05actually there _is_ a way to do a programmed reset01:38
DocScrutinizer05but I CBA to look it up in datasheet01:38
DocScrutinizer05since nobody ever fellt the need for doing that - it resets on a few minutes without battery01:39
RiDbetter just do it the simple way01:39
RiDthat's like buying a fridge to heat chicken01:39
RiDOk, that was not a good comparison01:40
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DocScrutinizer05the bq27200 is meant to get mounted permanently to a LiIon cell. The way Nokia used it is kinda abuse of the chip. For permanent mount on top of battery cell you may need reset via register access, not so for N900 where it resets as soon as battery removed and a few uF of capacitor discharged01:41
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louisdkhi :)02:48
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louisdkis everybody sleeping? :)02:55
louisdkskry: do you use an n900 as your primary phone?02:56
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Skrylouisdk: yes02:58
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louisdkskry: cool. do you have cssu installed on it?03:00
Skrysure, and thumb03:00
louisdkskry: does thumb make a big performance boost?03:01
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Skryyou'll notice the difference03:03
louisdkskry: okay. i have an n950. nice phone but miss the hildon desktop.03:04
Skryyeah, h-d is nice03:05
louisdkskry: what about the battery life on your n900?03:06
Skrywell, I have the original battery from '09 and I guess it's sufficient, I dont do calls that much. It runs several days idle.03:08
SkryI think I usually charge it every other day03:09
louisdkskry: when i used an n900 i had to charge i everyday cause i always had my IM accounts enabled.03:10
Skrysounds normal. imo battery is fine if it lasts through the day, you can charge it while you sleep.03:13
louisdkskry: well i don't have fuctional n900 anymore. mic and usb broken.03:16
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Skryfix it03:18
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louisdki can't really find a way to fix the mic without getting a new phone. it's a motherboard issue03:22
Skryahh, ok then. you could fix the usb though and start doing something with it03:23
Skryor you can sell it to me dirt cheap :)03:23
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SpeedEvilmic is 'easy' to fix03:27
SpeedEvilit's a relatively large part IIRC03:27
SpeedEvilbut it is a nontrivial repair03:27
jonwildamn, I wish it wasn't so hard to use openssl to do AES encryption :(03:28
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AddisonHeya everyone.06:18
AddisonIs there anyone here that knows if the Tinyfugue build for Maemo has UTF-8 support?06:22
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eyaler~ask i have a question about using MADDE, anybody here uses it?10:06
infobotNope, eyaler! I won't ask "i have a question about using MADDE, anybody here uses it"10:06
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eyaler~ask i need help using MADDE, i'm trying to install a package and i get an error "ld returned 1 exit status"10:17
infobotNope, eyaler! I won't ask "i need help using MADDE, i'm trying to install a package and i get an error "ld returned 1 exit status""10:17
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JaffaMorning, all10:59
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teotwakimorning Jaffa11:19
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eyaleranybody is using MADDE?11:30
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Palieyaler, hi, I'm using madde11:51
eyalerso, i have a quesiton did u mange to work with opencv?11:52
eyaleron which OS are u working on?11:52
infobotspelling is probably best dealt with in a qualitative sense.  "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." as Andrew Johnson pointed out.  Spelling also doesn't make any difference on IRC.11:52
teotwakiinfobot: bitch11:52
infobot[bitch] a female dog . an iz a bad word if used wrongly . dont say dat ok11:52
teotwaki~lart infobot11:53
* infobot does a little 'renice 20 -u teotwaki'11:53
teotwakiI got pwned by infobot :(11:53
eyalerPali, are u still here?11:53
eyalerteotwaki, please stop.. thank you11:53
PaliI did not tried to compile opencv11:54
Palibut madde has problem with pkg-config and autotools11:54
eyaleron which OS are u working?11:54
teotwakieyaler: don't tell me what to do :)11:54
eyalermmm.. i'm working on windows 7... and i have annoying problem..11:55
eyaleri can work with opencv APIs but i cant work with the highgui API (aka saveImage...)11:56
eyalerwho can i adress any question about this subject? does nokia still support it?11:56
teotwakiHas Nokia ever supported OpenCV?11:57
teotwakiI thought it was an Intel project?11:57
eyaleryes it is.. my question is does nokia still support MADDE?11:57
teotwakiNokia doesn't support anything Maemo related anymore, as far as I can tell.11:58
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eyaleryes, you are probebly right dear teotwaki.. :-(12:02
eyalerhello user_12:02
eyalerbut who can i ask question about it.. ?12:03
teotwakieyaler: even if they do say they support it, I'd trust that support about as far as I can throw a fridge.12:03
eyalerhey, maybe ur the Hulk.. he can throw a fridge...12:04
user__i accidentally powered off my device while copying a file. now i can't delete that file. is there a way rto remove that broken file?12:06
vi__What device?12:06
vi__xterm, as root, rm <your file>12:07
vi__Check this out:12:07
user__i tried. it shows that is a system file.12:07
vi__user__: dafuq?12:07
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Cor-Aisudo rm -f file12:07
Cor-Aican work12:07
vi__sudo rm -f <yourfile> as root?12:08
vi__Who would root sudo?12:08
vi__kerio: ping12:08
Cor-Aiwell.. i meant without root first!12:08
Cor-Aiold habit of typing sudo first12:09
vi__boontu is that way -->12:09
Cor-Aihaha im so clumsy that i destroy stuff if im root..12:10
Cor-Aiand no, its that way <--12:10
vi__But, if boontus over there...that means...OH SHIT.12:11
vi__BRB12:11 price:$2712:12
user__thanks a lot. but now i cant delete the folde that file contained. t shos that folder is read only!12:12 price:£2712:12
vi__It is cheaper to order from america and have shipped to the UK than from the UK.12:13
vi__wtf amazon.12:13
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teotwakivi__: try living in Australia for kicks.12:14
jon_yor New Zealand12:14
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SUMEDHE5DMSHello. i can't delete a folder. i used xterm also. it shows that is "Read Only". how can i delete it friends?12:15
jon_yvi__: agreed, sudo su - :)12:16
vi__SUMEDHE5DMS: become root12:18
vi__SUMEDHE5DMS: rm -r ./<the name of your folder>12:18
vi__60cents to the £12:18
Cor-Aimy eyes :(  stop hilighting him!12:19
pcfeare those the odds you take WRT the user forgetting the dot? ;-P12:19
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vi__pcfe: Yes!12:30
pcfevi__: :) I like your humor12:32
jon_ywith newer gnu coreutils, rm -rf / will produce a warning12:34
jon_yno idea about busybox though12:34
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DocScrutinizer51~spell u13:06
infobot'u' may be spelled correctly13:06
DocScrutinizer51infobot: useless13:06
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer51 in the darkest corner of the room. :(13:06
DocScrutinizer51teotwaki: you might try ~die as well. I mustn't since she takes it literally when I tell her so13:07
DocScrutinizer51teotwaki: or you do the turing test on her, which she still doesn't stand13:09
DocScrutinizer51~lart herself13:10
* infobot hits herself with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha13:10
eyaleri will try again.. anybody here is using MADDE under Windows 7 OS??13:10
DocScrutinizer51odds are almost all devels are on linux. eyaler13:11
eyaleryes, so i am a lonely ranger here.. but, maybe there is one..13:11
DocScrutinizer51as, I mean, they're all developing for a linux target, and those devels usually deprecate windows13:12
DocScrutinizer51yeah, keep on asking13:13
DocScrutinizer51one or two others might share your fate13:13
DocScrutinizer51or have tried to, at least13:14
jon_yeyaler: madde on Win7?13:14
jon_yisn't that the usbnet thing on the phone?13:14
eyalerjon_y: yes13:14
eyalerMADDE on windows 7...13:14
jon_yarm cross compiler?13:15
eyaleri write my code on QT in windows 7 OS, and compile directly to the Nokia N900..13:16
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jon_ywouldn't it be easier to do it on Linux?13:16
eyaleryes it would..13:16
jon_yor a VM13:16
eyalerbut it for my University project and my teacher wants it to work on windows13:16
eyaleryes, also on VM it will be easier..13:16
jon_yok, do one for windows and use the VM for the n90013:17
jon_ysounds simple enough13:17
eyalerwell, i thought about going that direction but i mange to do some stuff in windwos13:18
eyalerso far i mange to add debuging ability to QT on the Nokia and add opencv the problem is that i can make highgui API to work..13:18
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jon_ysorry, no idea bout those13:19
eyaleri mange to open IplImage object but i cant use cvSaveImage13:19
eyalerthose are good ideas..13:19
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teotwaki"mange" is "eat" in French.13:27
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HurrianDoes anyone notice that the N900 can power more demanding headphones thru the jack?13:46
HurrianMy N9 simply cannot power any of my kit.13:47
Hurrian(Without an amplifier, of course.)13:47
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vi__Hurrian: wut13:48
Hurrianvi__, simple as this: Insert headphone jack into N900, music can play thru them. Insert into N9, no output.13:49
HurrianIt's the same with my iPod Nano 6th gen - no output, so I assume the N900 can somehow power higher-impedance headphones.13:50
Hurrian>working on the N900, not on the N9 and iPod13:53
HurrianThat's some DRM scheme there, exactly what I'd expect from DRM schemes ;)13:53
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fluxI have the same with my car stereo regarding N9 and N90014:14
fluxhaven't tried fixing it with a possibly new connector or a resistor14:14
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Hurrianflux, a portable amp should do it.14:17
HurrianI tried it with a friend's FiiO E7 on an iPhone which couldn't otherwise power my HD595.14:19
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Hurrianthe downside though is that you need to carry around an amp, which needs a separate battery.14:19
fluxI'm seriously not having a portable amp to deal with line output..14:20
fluxit's not about being able, it's about it not eving noticing that there's a cable plugged in14:20
flux..probably due to too low resistance or something14:20
Hurrianyou mean too /high/ resistance.14:21
HurrianEven my desktop's built in audio struggles to drive the HD595. A dedicated amp really comes in handy for high-impedance stuff.14:21
HurrianOn a side note, one would wonder why a car audio's line in has high impedance - it does have it's own power supply14:22
SpeedEvilto avoid damage from shorts14:23
vi__just received an n90014:25
vi__opened it up.14:25
vi__has this thing been used as an air filter during the paris dakar rally?14:26
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SpeedEvildoes it work?14:27
vi__it powers up.14:27
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vi__headset jack seems a bit...loose.14:30
Hurrianvi__, time for a can of air?14:30
vi__Hurrian: I am at work, we have a compressor!14:30
DocScrutinizer51time for a retour14:30
Hurrianvi__, loose as in it wiggles or it doesn't hold in a 3.5mm well?14:31
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vi__Hurrian: the 3.5mm jack seems to move 0.5mm sided to side.14:31
Hurrianeither way, that'd mean it's a really worn out device14:31
SpeedEvildon't compressed air the mic14:31
vi__I am not sure if it is the connector or the space the connector sits in.14:31
SpeedEvilthe jack is not soldered to the board IIRC14:31
SpeedEvilit's springs14:31
vi__SpeedEvil: no way, I am going to blast those little 0602 right off the board.14:32
vi__SpeedEvil: Yeah.14:32
fluxhurrian, well, how does one fail to detect too high resistance compared to not having a wire at all?14:32
vi__That is what I meant.14:32
SpeedEvilthe microphone14:32
vi__flux: With a multimeter that goes that high!14:32
fluxhurrian, I mean, it probably is able to detect that there is no wire, and then it detects that there's some resistance.. if there's high resistance, it's even further away from the 'no connection' state..14:33
fluxactually no :). I'm thinking this backwards, right?14:34
fluxinfinite resistance would be the no wire-case14:34
fluxbut I can lower that resistance by connecting the signal/gnd through a resistor14:34
vi__now is time to try the internal battery->cap mod!14:37
DocScrutinizer51vi__: Hurrian: sth along not working*at all* with 3pin maybe?14:37
vi__I have never seen a phone full of so much pubes and crap.14:38
HurrianDocScrutinizer51, these aren't TRRS connectors14:38
Hurrianvi__, ugh, yuck. Dust getting into the N900 is bad enough, how does that stuff get in there?14:39
HurrianI don't even want to think about it.14:39
HurrianI'd strip the case components down, and give them a good dunk.14:39
DocScrutinizer51Hurrian: check how devices distinguish headset, headphone,, AV14:39
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vi__it has no aerials.14:40
DocScrutinizer51the 'usualm jack is 4pin14:41
DocScrutinizer51sorry for typos, eating burger and N900 SUCKS for typing on table14:41
DocScrutinizer51vi__: Hurrian: the common 3pin jack shorts mic pin to GND14:43
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DocScrutinizer51but actually N9 might have low output impedance and thus too low voltage on high impedance inputs like line-in14:44
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HurrianThat's what I suspect. I'll cut up a cable and measure voltages on a pair of crappy flight earphones.14:47
DocScrutinizer51Hurrian: for car audio a separation transformer 'DI-box' is highly recommended anyway. You could use a step-up 1:1p transformer14:48
DocScrutinizer51on low impedance headphones, max 'allowable' voltage is some 100mV, for line in you want some 2V14:50
DocScrutinizer51if you use a plug with 50R resistor from 3rd contact to GND/4th, odds are the device will switch to AV mode and ramp up voltage on 1. + 2. pin (L + R) to line level14:52
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DocScrutinizer51anyway, it's all up to the question: is sound way too silent, or is there no sound at all?14:55
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HurrianThere is no sound at all.14:59
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vi__how do I fix the vibrate motor?15:30
vi__it 'feels' wonky and rough.15:30
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vi_My PC just bluescreened MID FLASHING.15:42
vi_USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x01c8.15:45
vi_Raw data transfer EP found at EP2.15:45
vi_[init        20 %   32768 /  255947 kB     0 kB/s]15:45
vi_c:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>15:45
vi_what the hell is this?15:45
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vi_The first time I have had an n900 that will not flash!15:45
Palivi_, use linux15:46
Paliwindow userspace usb access via device filtering is really bad15:47
vi_but it has worked like 20 times before.15:47
vi_It starts to flash, then goes to the 5 dots!15:47
Paliyou are lucky that your windows worked 20 times!15:48
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vi_funny thing is, I can flash the rootfs.15:52
vi_Just not the emmc.15:52
Eyalerhello anybody using MADDE?15:53
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vi_so I can flash rootfs and it will boot up.15:59
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vi_But I cannot flash emmc, it just tries to boot up!16:00
PaliEyaler, rather use scratchbox16:01
Palimadde is only semiworking and without gnu utils & debhelper on debian not very usable...16:02
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vi_DocScrutinizer51: ping16:20
DocScrutinizer51vi_: tmp pong16:22
vi_can you suggest a reason why a n900 would be able to flash rootfs but fail on emmc?16:23
vi_As in it starts to flash emmc, gets to 20% of the first part then just stops.  The n900 then attempts to boot.16:24
DocScrutinizer51for flashing eMMC you need a semi-sane rootfs16:24
vi_So I have flashed rootfs.  It went through fine.16:24
vi_when I attempt emmc it just fails.16:26
vi_I will paste the output.16:26
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vi_Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB16:28
vi_        Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA16:28
vi_USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x0105.16:28
vi_Found device RX-51, hardware revision 210116:28
vi_NOLO version 1.4.1416:28
vi_Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR016:28
vi_Booting device into flash mode.16:28
vi_Suitable USB device not found, waiting.16:28
vi_USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x01c8.16:28
vi_Raw data transfer EP found at EP2.16:28
vi_[init        20 %   32768 /  255947 kB     0 kB/s]16:28
vi_well it shows that then starts to load 5 dots,16:29
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vi_then hangs.16:29
DocScrutinizer51battery empty?16:31
vi_no, battery full16:31
DocScrutinizer51use better USB cable, better USB driver lib, other PC OS16:32
DocScrutinizer51blacklist all possibly interfering modules16:32
vi_what the actual fuck.16:32
vi_I pretty much hosed the emmc when the a flash failed and caused my pc to bluescreen.16:33
DocScrutinizer51the effect is not unknown16:33
vi_The device booted but showed the 'no image' grey squares thing that you see with a hosed emmc.16:33
vi_so I flashed rootfs again.16:33
vi_then tried emmc.  It failed like the text I pasted above.16:34
vi_Now I have switched the device on and the emmc contents are back!16:34
jon_ytry a different usb port?16:34
vi_jon_y: done that.16:34
jon_ysome ports are really hubs16:35
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jon_ytook me a day to figure out when flashing the N9 would mysteriously fail16:35
vi_jon_y: I have tried the ports on the front and on the back of thePC.16:35
vi_I have used this PC to flash another n900 some 20 times or so before.16:35
jon_yluckily USB3 hubs are rare, so USB 3 ports are likely not hubs16:35
DocScrutinizer51windows? uninstall pcsuite16:36
jon_y"Now I have switched the device on and the emmc contents are back!" <- so is it fixed now?16:36
DocScrutinizer51or better et, use linux ;)16:36
vi_jon_y: I am not sure.16:36
vi_for emmc to come back you need to transfer ~200mb of data.16:37
vi_according to the flasher output it managed about 32mb.16:37
jon_yI guess you could try it in Linux16:37
vi_it seems it is a 2101.16:37
jon_yknoppix, or a vm16:38
jon_yI miss knoppix16:39
DocScrutinizer51my guess: it didn't even start to flash emmc16:39
jon_ythese days, pretty much any end-user oriented distro comes with a bootable CD16:39
DocScrutinizer51vi_: also check your emmc img for latest. the old on doesn't work with new rootfs16:42
DocScrutinizer51old one*16:42
DocScrutinizer51check md5sum!16:42
vi_DocScrutinizer51: They are the last images released by no-workia16:43
DocScrutinizer51users with flawed download reported dame problems16:43
vi_I just took fresh copies from my backup stash as well.16:43
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vi_I have used these images loads of times.16:43
DocScrutinizer51then finally nuke that redmond crap on your machine, get an OS instead for doing serious stuff16:44
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jon_yDocScrutinizer51: but games!16:46
jon_ygames are serious business :)16:46
vi_have you not heard?16:46
vi_steam for linux!16:46
vi_Half life 3 will be released on gentoo first!16:46
jon_ynot all games are on steam16:46
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jon_yd3d games everywhere :(16:47
vi_good point.16:47
vi_I do not think the source engine has an opengl mode.16:47
jon_ymy RTS game doesn't use source16:48
jon_yI remember the old HL1 game, it has GL mode16:48
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jon_ylooks about the same as D3D mode16:49
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vi_yes pre source had openl mode.16:49
jon_yso when is team fortress coming? :)16:49
jon_yI played the classic 1.5, would not touch the newer one without the ability to grenade spam16:50
vi_u spam no skill gay noob.16:51
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jon_yvi_: no, spy grenade spam requires skill to be effective16:53
vi_ok, it has to be the PC.16:53
jon_yotherwise you'd be wasting grenades16:53
vi_nade spam - don't wan to risk wasting nades.16:53
jon_yhallucination grenades is often lethal when spammed correctly16:54
vi_I have never played TF so I cannot really comment.16:54
jon_yeverybody had more or less the same model in TF classic16:55
jon_yclass == gun you're holding16:55
jon_ysimple as that16:55
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trxdoes cssu stable have rotation issues?17:17
trxevery time i want to answer my phone, the UI is missing and visible only while rotating the phone and then it goes away17:18
trxor should i abandon cssu?17:19
Lava_Croftteamfortress on the halflife engine is like windows phone on harmattan hardware17:19
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vi_DocScrutinizer51: Figured it out.18:06
vi_I think newer versions of nokia suite ship a new version of libusb0 (on windows).18:07
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DocScrutinizer51quite possible, toldya uninstall nokiasuite18:08
DocScrutinizer51also toldya to get rid of redmond completely18:08
vi_what a ball breaker.18:08
vi_Nokia, why u breakin my balls?18:08
vi_DocScrutinizer51: I use linux by choice. on everything.18:08
DocScrutinizer51that's clearly MS18:08
vi_Just not this PC.18:09
vi_M$ can suck the sweat from my nuts.18:09
DocScrutinizer51anyway, job over, heading home, bbl18:09
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DocScrutinizer51get a liveCD18:26
Skryofftopic but does anyone know if the operator lock can be removed from Nokia N95? Google only mentions N95 8GB and something that "regular" N95 has different method in unlocking.18:27
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vi_Skry: afaik the n95 is busted wide open by now.18:30
vi_It was pre-encrypted bootloader thingy that came out around 5800.18:30
keriorun fremantle on it18:30
vi_nokia use to use there own special arm chips.18:31
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Skryvi_: hmm, ok thanks, gotta do some more googling then.18:34
vi_Skry: afaik you need a jaf box.18:35
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Skryvi_: meh, don't have one, and dont know anyone who would have one :\18:37
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PaliHi! now testing all packages from rx51-bme-replacement and it working!19:48
Palinow I can shred BME binaries :-)19:48
Skrygreat! :)19:49
trxno more closed soruce bme? :)19:49
trxcongrats :)19:50
PaliDEB packages are here:
Palisource code is here:
Palifreemangordon, merlin1991, DocScrutinizer51 ^^^^^19:51
Palinow it working on maemo with kernel-power (pre)v5219:52
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kerioPali: why does it load the modules?19:53
kerioaren't they loaded automatically?19:53
Palino, modules are blacklisted in kernel-power19:53
Palibut if modules are loaded modprobe will skip loading (and return 0)19:53
kerioi see19:54
kerioPali: btw, does the stock battery applet work with your bme replacement?19:54
kerioPali: and what's the bq2415x-charger policy regarding the end of the charge?19:55
Palisame what is in script19:56
kerioand what's that? :)19:56
keriolet bq24150 do its thing?19:57
kerioit's probably the best thing, but it's still annoying19:57
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ShadowJK(charge restart happens at around 95% with Japod BL-5) and PR1.3 kernel and charge*/bq24150)20:01
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DocScrutinizer51kerio: wtf is annoying about bq24150 battery management?20:04
keriothe thing where i have to restart the charge 90 mins before leaving the house in the morning :)20:04
DocScrutinizer51you don't have to20:05
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DocScrutinizer51nly annoying thing is you findint the fly in the ointment now that you have a way to tell what's actually going on20:07
DocScrutinizer51while old bme signalled 'charging ended' despite battery taing another 100mA during the next 2h20:08
DocScrutinizer51while old bme signalled 'charging complete' despite battery taking another 100mAh during the next 2h20:09
ShadowJKbq27200 "full" is much earlier than bq24150 too, but bq27200 obviously caps it at 100%20:11
kerioShadowJK: RSOC or CSOC?20:12
ShadowJKat one point I integrated current over time and calculated that in some cases it'd charge another 15% after bq27200 full :)20:12
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keriohow can you "integrate" over a bunch of datapoints?20:13
DocScrutinizer05look at a good math teaching book for that20:14
kerioit's... a sum20:14
ShadowJKOn N8x0 where I've also done integrating fuel gauge, it says "full" when you plug in charger if battery is above 70-80 percent or so :)20:14
kerioPali: modules loaded, no bme, no reboots, hald-addon-bme running20:15
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ShadowJKWell, bq27200's average current is for last 5s, which means it's current/3600*5 mAh change20:15
keriohow do i test libbmeipc and/or dsme-thermalobject-surface?20:15
Palikerio, open syslog and grep for bme20:16
keriono syslog20:16
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Palipulseaudio using libbmeipc and it write output to syslog20:16
Paliwithout syslog, it is not possible20:16
ShadowJKor smth like that20:16
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jonwilyay for new open BME :)20:17
Palijonwil, removing BME on maemo5 is possible now :-)20:17
jonwilcool :)20:18
kerioPali: i don't get messages from pulseaudio on stop/start20:18
kerioin syslog20:18
jonwilanother piece of proprietary junk bites the dust :P20:18
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Palikerio, wait pulseaudio did not ask for temperature every second20:19
Palijonwil, yes bme is replaced :-)20:19
jonwilwhich piece of proprietary junk should be replaced next?20:19
kerioPali: ok, i'll wait a bit20:19
Palijonwil, systemui or mce20:19
keriojonwil: pulseaudio!20:19
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Palipulseaudio was opened20:20
jonwilalso, do you still need to know anything about systemui_actingdead?20:20
Palionly one library is closed20:20
keriolennart poettering is the proprietary of pulseaudio20:20
keriobecause it definetely isn't mine20:20
Palijonwil, problem is that what you wrote about actingdead is same what doing battery applet20:20
Iridoshm, is there any java browser plugin one can have in maemo on the n900? ... Icedtea, perhaps? mmh, there's an icedtea6 package, but no plugin?20:20
jonwilis there more info I can find for you?20:21
Palijonwil, everything about systemui20:21
jonwilI found out all I can about systemui :P20:21
Paliok :-)20:21
jonwilI still think icd would be a nice target for replacement :P20:22
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DocScrutinizer05icd could use some proper documentation how to use and configure it, first20:28
keriohow's gnome's networkmanager?20:29
DocScrutinizer05after that, any replacement is probably easy20:29
DocScrutinizer05kerio: does it matter?20:29
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DocScrutinizer05how's networkmanager compatible to icd? I don't think that's any valid replacement20:30
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: well, it's a replacement20:32
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DocScrutinizer05android also is a replacement, as is winp720:32
kerioit's an opensource replacement! :P20:33
DocScrutinizer05it's no replacement20:33
kerioby the way, what can programs do with icd2?20:33
ShadowJKicd is the one thing that made sense to close-source, because it works much better and reliably than networkmanager while consuming less ram20:33
Skryif we speculate about such options, connman would be a good base to start, networkmanager not so much.20:33
keriobring up the connection dialog and/or ask for a saved connection20:33
DocScrutinizer05like a stone isn't a replacement for a gun20:33
kerioand what else?20:34
DocScrutinizer05mhm, seems you start to understand why I asked for proper docs of icd first20:36
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ShadowJKI spent a month trying to configure notworkmanager on my PC, and it's almost OK now, except it kills internet if I plug in my N900, and also randomly kills network drives on a semi-regular schedule :(20:38
ShadowJKYeah I'd rather see conman20:38
ShadowJK(not over icd though)20:38
kerio>almost OK20:38
DocScrutinizer05any such "replacement" would at very least need a converter from old icd config files to new replacement's config20:38
DocScrutinizer05and the replacement of course needs to provide the full API like icd does20:39
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: yep, NM thinks of N900 as a new cute NIC20:40
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DocScrutinizer05so it drops all existing connectivity to set up a new route via N90020:41
DocScrutinizer05that's however the optimal case20:41
DocScrutinizer05usually it just is messing up all that can get messed up20:41
SkryI believe connman is fully modular, including configuration part so perhaps it could be made directly read old configs as is. It's also targeted for embedded devices so, again, it might be a good starting point.20:42
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Skryoh, looks like it's sponsored by nokia and intel :)20:44
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kolpPali, I have KPpre52 running and installed your bme-replacements as well as your bttery status plugin. Now the device won't charge the battery and the battery plugin shows it as empty (0%) and 1426/-1 mAh. Did I miss something?20:48
kolpAlso it won't boot with charger plugged in, but that seems to be an older problem20:48
kolp(First noticed that after last thumb update)20:49
Palikolp, are kernel drivers loaded?20:49
Paliwhich version of status menu plugin do you have?20:49
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kolpbq27x00_battery and bq2415x_charger are loaded, yes20:54
Paliand rx51_battery?20:54
Paliupload somewhere output of lshal20:55
kolpIt should charge automatically when I plug in the charger, shouldn't it?20:55
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kolpPali, will upload. Just noticed something: with plugged-in charger the displayed mAh increases. Now "1443/-1 mAh"20:58
Palithis seems like problem with rx51_battery driver which export design capacity (-1)20:58
Paliwhy is there -1?20:59
Palidid you using old version of my new status menu plugin for battery?20:59
kolpHm, maybe. I'll try to update21:00
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Palido update (deb package is on same url)21:00
Palireboot and try again21:00
Paliif still not working, upload output of lshal to pastebin21:01
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: you'll wnat to provide a debug tool with all your projects, consisting of a simple script to query properties of key components (like lsmod >>pr.log; ls -l /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/x/y >>pr.log) and finally upload that to a pastebin and spit out the URL21:07
DocScrutinizer05also stuff like ps, cat /sys/*/*/*/* etc21:07
DocScrutinizer05whatever you might comnsider useful - aim is to get all the info you'd probably ever want to analyze problems on user side by user simply running that script21:08
DocScrutinizer05uname -a21:09
DocScrutinizer05dpkg --foo --bar21:10
PaliI will create new thread on TMO with all info21:10
DocScrutinizer05cat syslog21:10
DocScrutinizer05I thought about a script, not about a howto on tmo21:11
Paliyes, I will create script...21:11
Pali... but thread on TMO will be usefull that BME is replaced :-)21:12
kerioPali: please tell people to make a full backup before doing that install21:12
DocScrutinizer05instruction could be a simple as pasting one line here: >>>root; wget; . ./; #paste output (URL) here please <<<21:13
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: (useful) sure thing21:14
kolpPali, ok, some progress: it's now 0 instead of -1, and it recognizes the charger being plugged in (shows the 'Charging banner nd the battery icon is animated).21:15
DocScrutinizer05also kerio had a useful comment once again :-D21:15
kolpHm, trie to see if it knows the last charging's capacity, but that script's no longer working now?21:16
Palikolp, I need output of lshal21:16
kolpOk, hang on21:16
keriokolp: it doesn't work if bq27x00-battery is loaded21:16
keriocheck if what you want is in /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/21:16
DocScrutinizer05kolp: my major concern21:16
PaliI think that battery is not calibrated so last full is not available21:16
Palibut I do not know why rx51_battery does not reported design capacity21:16
kolpPali: yes, that's why I wante dto run that script :)21:17 will stop working since bq27200.ko is exclusively opening the I2C device for that chip21:17
Palikolp, run lshal and upload output21:17
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: >>last full is not available<< is not possible. When chip gets reset, it moves ILMD from ROM to "last full"21:20
Paliso when can be last full 0?21:20
DocScrutinizer05hardly ever21:20
Palikolp, which battery do you have?21:22
Palior other?21:22
kolpYes, old original Nokia21:22
PaliI will look at log later21:22
Palinow going afk21:22
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kolpcat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/capacity says: cat: read error: No data available21:24
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Paliso you do not have calibrated your bq chip21:25
kolpI had a new PolarCell in there that I measured using in that device.21:26
DocScrutinizer05Pali: you could bash down "Last Measured Discharge" to 0 by abusing N900 as a battery charger for quite a long time aka high number of charge processes. Insert empty battery while making sure bq27200 won't reset during battery removed, then charge battery to full, insert next completely empty battery...21:26
Palibut there is: udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_power_supply_battery_rx51_battery' = 1292  (0x50c)  (int)21:26
DocScrutinizer05I'm not completely sure it would work like that even21:26
PaliI need to find problem why new status area plugin did not read that design capacity21:27
DocScrutinizer05since swapping battery should invalidate learning cycle I'd guess21:27
kolpI'll try with a different battery21:29
ShadowJK(also, each successful learning cycle can change capacity only by 1/6th of previous LMD)21:30
Palikolp, try this: sudo rmmod rx51_battery && sudo modprobe rx51_battery21:31
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kolpDoesn't help21:34
kolpAlso, changing the batter ydoesn't, either21:34
Palikolp, downgrade back to nokia status menu plugin21:35
keriokolp: modprobe -r bq27x00-battery and then bq27200.sh21:35
Palimaybe there is some bug in my version21:35
kerioPali: worksforme21:35
Palikolp: sudo apt-get install status-area-applet-battery=0.1.24+0m521:36
Paliand then reboot21:36
kolpOk, hang on21:36
Pali2c205408bb55cb3e59af05abdb9baeeb status-area-applet-battery_1.0-1_armel.deb21:36
Pali789d67ee6e3ebcfd141e8e126d570123 status-area-applet-battery_0.1.24+0m5_armel.deb21:37
Paliversion 0.1.24+0m5 is nokia version, 1.0-1 is my21:37
Palikolp, check md5sum of my deb package21:37
kolpmd5sum matches21:38
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kolpPali: Nokia's applet seems to work21:41
Palikolp, ok21:41
kolps/seems to work/works/21:41
infobotkolp meant: Pali: Nokia's applet works21:41
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders why everybody using rmmod instead modprobe -r22:01
kerioidk, i always use modprobe -r22:01
kolp_It's shorter to type :P22:02
kolp_What#s the difference between the two?22:02
DocScrutinizer05none, except rmmod obsolete22:02
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DocScrutinizer05as is insmod22:02
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DocScrutinizer05both got obsoleted by modprobe, which in fact does a tad more than those can do22:03
DocScrutinizer05((<kerio> wtf is max load?)) the maximum current the chip detected, since $dunno-when22:10
DocScrutinizer05kinda highscore22:11
DocScrutinizer05you could safely assume that your battery will sustain operation for at least the MLTTE22:11
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kolp_> which piece of proprietary junk should be replaced next?23:21
kolp_I'd vote for connui-statusbar-internet :)23:22
kolp_With wifi link qulity indicating icon in the status bar23:22
DocScrutinizer05259 \o/23:26
DocScrutinizer05If we relieve some bans ans sell popcorn, we might reach 300 again ;-D23:27
DocScrutinizer05dang, not even Friday and I feel the burden already, thinking twice about every post23:28
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619a: any time schedule for the Friday massacre?23:30
kerioDocScrutinizer05: 259 what?23:31
keriooh, in here23:32
keriosome dude is abandoning the N9 scene and selling two N9s and a N95023:33
DocScrutinizer05should I worry?23:33
DocScrutinizer05I pinder selling that lumia23:34
DocScrutinizer05ponder, dafaq23:34
DocScrutinizer05my typing getting worse by the hour rtaher than the day23:34
infobotit has been said that spelling is best dealt with in a qualitative sense.  "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." as Andrew Johnson pointed out.  Spelling also doesn't make any difference on IRC.23:36
infobotYou've guessed it right, I'm a spell checker. Give me any word and I can confirm whether it's good or bad.23:36
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Skryactually, both rmmod and modprobe are deprecated by kmod23:54
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jon_yLava_Croft: team fortress classic was pretty OK23:59

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