IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-11-08

jon_y	that would likely be autotools	00:00
jon_y	./configure CFLAGS="-g -O2 -mfpu=neon"	00:00
vi__	so should I pass the the cflags to configure when it generates the makefile?	00:00
vi__	jon_y: Thank you. I owe you 1 donut.	00:00
jon_y	not needed after that	00:01
vi__	what are these:	00:01
vi__	-mfpu=neon -ftree-vectorize -fgraphite -lto	00:01
jon_y	if the configure has been written sanely, you can just do CFLAGS=-mfpu=neon	00:01
jon_y	those are link time optimizations	00:02
vi__	are these all cflags?	00:02
jon_y	yes	00:02
jon_y	CFLAGS are used by C compile and link time	00:02
jon_y	CXXFLAGS for C++ equivalent	00:02
jon_y	CPPFLAGS are compile time flags used by both C and C++	00:02
vi__	configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables	00:02
vi__	^error	00:02
jon_y	look into configure.log	00:03
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jon_y	or post it on pastebin	00:03
vi__	cat ./configure.log	00:03
DocScrutinizer05	WTF?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=_oUp_JjPJok 10 hours?	00:03
DocScrutinizer05	endless loop	00:03
jon_y	10 hours of silence? :)	00:03
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jon_y	vi__: likely it should be -flto	00:04
jon_y	not -lto	00:04
vi__	jon_y: I was just in the process of eliminating the possibilities	00:05
vi__	what is the -lto mean?	00:05
jon_y	autotools is awesome, best buildsystem, even when MSVC and windows is involved :)	00:05
jon_y	-lto means link to libto	00:05
jon_y	-flto oth means use link time optimization	00:05
vi__	It does seem to be making the devilishly complicated process of compilation a piece of cake.	00:05
jon_y	but it works very well, unlike cmake	00:06
jon_y	especially when cross compiling	00:06
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vi__	failed.	00:08
vi__	error 1.	00:08
vi__	incomprehensible.	00:08
vi__	./base/hash/cl_hash2.h:121:9: note: use 'this->_garcol_fun' instead	00:08
vi__	make[1]: *** [cl_rcpointer2_hashweak_rcpointer.lo] Error 1	00:08
vi__	make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/paul/pi/cln-1.3.1/src'	00:08
vi__	make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1	00:08
jon_y	looks like an error from the compiler	00:09
jon_y	maybe some c++ template exploded?	00:09
jon_y	you may want to set CXXFLAGS too	00:09
vi__	...	00:10
vi__	set it to what?	00:10
jon_y	CXXFLAGS to the same thing as CFLAGS	00:10
vi__	jon_y: oh, ok.	00:11
jon_y	eg the neon thing	00:11
jon_y	otherwise, the C++ code may not be using neon at all	00:11
vi__	derp	00:12
vi__	you cannot shoehorn neon into non neon specific code?	00:13
jon_y	maybe, but without it, your C++ is compiled without -mfpu=neon	00:14
jon_y	CFLAGS only affects C compile, CXXFLAGS for C++	00:14
jon_y	I assume it's C++ anyway from the "this" pointer	00:14
jon_y	it is still possible somebody called the pointer "this" in C	00:15
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DocScrutinizer05	jon_y: not silence - actually I think it's been a while since I've last seen something insane as http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2D5ACE7F76092751	00:17
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jon_y	DocScrutinizer05: youtube poop everywhere!	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	what's this 10 hours crap about anyway? some new form of dadaism in video arts?	00:20
jon_y	it's just youtub poop	00:20
jon_y	file it as the same category as nyan cat	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	in fact nyan cat is in that list	00:21
jon_y	heh, I see it	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	480 hours of torture	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	handed to evil 3letter agencies free of charge	00:22
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jon_y	DocScrutinizer05: use with sensory deprivation? :)	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	oops 490:00:01	00:22
vi__	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP3H4iwhnZk	00:23
jon_y	what is that?	00:24
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: discussions of, and advice on what tomdonwhen you find a GPL violator	00:24
vi__	a man in a horses head mask and a mankini cooking fly agaric mushrooms.	00:24
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SpeedEvil	jacekowski: do you have any code in the kernel?	00:26
SpeedEvil	oh, you said ecos nvm	00:26
vi__	jon_y: can anything be compiled as a static binary?	00:26
jon_y	it really depends	00:27
jon_y	you can try adding -static	00:27
vi__	I guess it would need all the code for the depends.	00:27
vi__	needs sigc++	00:29
jon_y	for static libraries, things get a bit complicated	00:29
vi__	I donut even know what that is.	00:30
jon_y	static libraries must be specified with all the dependencies explicitly when used at link time	00:30
vi__	I assumed as much.	00:30
jon_y	vi__: I just watched your video, I have to say:	00:30
jon_y	WTF Japan?	00:31
vi__	that is why 'wgetting' the source from debian website seems so 'wrong'	00:31
jon_y	not that it's a bad thing, song was catchy :)	00:31
jon_y	actually, it has nothing to do with debian	00:31
vi__	you should hear the musin in the original.	00:31
vi__	^music	00:31
jon_y	yeah, I should look for it	00:32
jon_y	static libs are just unlinked libs, you need to fulfill the link time requirements	00:32
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jon_y	I know ELF allows undefined symbols, but your executable may complain about the symbols and exit at runtime	00:33
jon_y	so best to deal with it before shipping your programs	00:33
jacekowski	SpeedEvil: eCos is GPL so it's still a violation	00:34
jacekowski	unless there is some commercial version of it	00:34
jon_y	vi__: for libc version, you can try running /lib/libc.so from the shell	00:35
jon_y	it may work or not	00:35
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* DocScrutinizer05 likes to teach infobot some new ~lart procedure, along the lines of "infobot ties $deliquent to a chair and plays a 10h Nyan cat to $deliquent"		00:36
DocScrutinizer05	might consider it for a hold-the-line music on next PBX I need to configure	00:37
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jon_y	vi__: was that youtube link a youtube sync mix?	00:38
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer05: i've got a pbx to configure	00:39
vi__	jon_y: I dont know what a sync mix is.	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	vi__: >>Unfortunately, this UMG-music-content is not available in Germany because GEMA has not granted the respective music publishing rights.<<	00:39
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vi__	jacekowski: use the portal radio music.	00:40
jon_y	vi__: video synched with a random piece of music	00:40
jon_y	some of them match very very well	00:40
vi__	jon_y: I do not know.	00:40
DocScrutinizer05	jacekowski: need a link to Nyan Cat?	00:40
jon_y	I saw a call of duty blackops trailer sync once	00:40
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer05: have you got version that it's voip codec friendly?	00:41
jacekowski	that is*	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	or rather, the question is: are you THAT misanthropic?	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	dunno, depends on your codec I guess	00:42
DocScrutinizer05	711a or what's the name should work ;-D	00:42
jacekowski	i'll have to try it then	00:42
jacekowski	well, what if someone calls from gsm	00:42
jacekowski	hmm	00:42
DocScrutinizer05	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI-kpVh6e1U&list=SP2D5ACE7F76092751&index=26&feature=plpp_video	00:42
DocScrutinizer05	here you are	00:43
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DocScrutinizer05	in HD!!!!!!!!	00:43
DocScrutinizer05	XP	00:43
DocScrutinizer05	r33b.net	00:44
jon_y	can't find the blackops trailer mixed with 80s music anymore	00:44
jon_y	somehow it was perfect	00:44
DocScrutinizer05	no hypnotoad and nyan cat fight in my brain, what a terrible mess	00:45
Skry	my favorite chars	00:45
Skry	I find nyan cat very calming	00:45
DocScrutinizer05	I think it is like a mixture of meth and sulfuric acid to the brain	00:46
DocScrutinizer05	well, if you got ADHS actually nyan cat might calm you down	00:47
DocScrutinizer05	;-)	00:47
DocScrutinizer05	my feeling about that, no offense intended	00:48
jon_y	try LSD dream simulator :)	00:50
Skry	None taken, sometimes when your brain is on "overdrive" too long and you've had way too much caffeine (or meth) and shit starts breaking around you, 10 minutes of nyan cat quite efficiently stops all brain functions.	00:50
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vi__	I think I may have thumb compiled bzip2	00:51
vi__	and libbz2.so	00:51
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vi__	So this proves it works, how does one upload it to autobuilder?	00:52
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MrPingu	vi_: congratz	00:54
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vi__	I guess the wise thing to do is to upload it to a test device and confirm that neon vectorisation has improved the performance.	00:57
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vi__	how do you do a 'full reset' on the bq27x00 chip?	01:17
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vi__	:q	01:34
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RiD	poor boy	01:35
RiD	no one told him how	01:35
DocScrutinizer05	he'll find out sooner or later	01:36
RiD	I bet the later, because he's going to sleep	01:36
DocScrutinizer05	after a day with battery removed he will magically find the answer	01:36
RiD	lol	01:36
RiD	how about over a month without it :(	01:37
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DocScrutinizer05	actually there _is_ a way to do a programmed reset	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	but I CBA to look it up in datasheet	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	since nobody ever fellt the need for doing that - it resets on a few minutes without battery	01:39
RiD	better just do it the simple way	01:39
RiD	that's like buying a fridge to heat chicken	01:39
RiD	Ok, that was not a good comparison	01:40
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DocScrutinizer05	the bq27200 is meant to get mounted permanently to a LiIon cell. The way Nokia used it is kinda abuse of the chip. For permanent mount on top of battery cell you may need reset via register access, not so for N900 where it resets as soon as battery removed and a few uF of capacitor discharged	01:41
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louisdk	hi :)	02:48
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louisdk	is everybody sleeping? :)	02:55
Skry	nope	02:55
louisdk	skry: do you use an n900 as your primary phone?	02:56
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Skry	louisdk: yes	02:58
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louisdk	skry: cool. do you have cssu installed on it?	03:00
Skry	sure, and thumb	03:00
louisdk	skry: does thumb make a big performance boost?	03:01
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Skry	you'll notice the difference	03:03
louisdk	skry: okay. i have an n950. nice phone but miss the hildon desktop.	03:04
Skry	yeah, h-d is nice	03:05
louisdk	skry: what about the battery life on your n900?	03:06
Skry	well, I have the original battery from '09 and I guess it's sufficient, I dont do calls that much. It runs several days idle.	03:08
Skry	I think I usually charge it every other day	03:09
louisdk	skry: when i used an n900 i had to charge i everyday cause i always had my IM accounts enabled.	03:10
Skry	sounds normal. imo battery is fine if it lasts through the day, you can charge it while you sleep.	03:13
louisdk	skry: well i don't have fuctional n900 anymore. mic and usb broken.	03:16
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Skry	fix it	03:18
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louisdk	i can't really find a way to fix the mic without getting a new phone. it's a motherboard issue	03:22
Skry	ahh, ok then. you could fix the usb though and start doing something with it	03:23
Skry	or you can sell it to me dirt cheap :)	03:23
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SpeedEvil	mic is 'easy' to fix	03:27
SpeedEvil	it's a relatively large part IIRC	03:27
SpeedEvil	but it is a nontrivial repair	03:27
jonwil	damn, I wish it wasn't so hard to use openssl to do AES encryption :(	03:28
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Addison	Heya everyone.	06:18
Addison	Is there anyone here that knows if the Tinyfugue build for Maemo has UTF-8 support?	06:22
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eyaler	~ask i have a question about using MADDE, anybody here uses it?	10:06
infobot	Nope, eyaler! I won't ask "i have a question about using MADDE, anybody here uses it"	10:06
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eyaler	~ask i need help using MADDE, i'm trying to install a package and i get an error "ld returned 1 exit status"	10:17
infobot	Nope, eyaler! I won't ask "i need help using MADDE, i'm trying to install a package and i get an error "ld returned 1 exit status""	10:17
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:59
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teotwaki	morning Jaffa	11:19
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eyaler	anybody is using MADDE?	11:30
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Pali	eyaler, hi, I'm using madde	11:51
eyaler	great..	11:52
eyaler	so, i have a quesiton did u mange to work with opencv?	11:52
eyaler	on which OS are u working on?	11:52
teotwaki	~spelling	11:52
infobot	spelling is probably best dealt with in a qualitative sense. "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." as Andrew Johnson pointed out. Spelling also doesn't make any difference on IRC.	11:52
teotwaki	infobot: bitch	11:52
infobot	[bitch] a female dog . an iz a bad word if used wrongly . dont say dat ok	11:52
teotwaki	~lart infobot	11:53
* infobot does a little 'renice 20 -u teotwaki'		11:53
teotwaki	I got pwned by infobot :(	11:53
eyaler	Pali, are u still here?	11:53
eyaler	teotwaki, please stop.. thank you	11:53
Pali	I did not tried to compile opencv	11:54
Pali	but madde has problem with pkg-config and autotools	11:54
eyaler	on which OS are u working?	11:54
Pali	linux	11:54
teotwaki	eyaler: don't tell me what to do :)	11:54
eyaler	mmm.. i'm working on windows 7... and i have annoying problem..	11:55
eyaler	i can work with opencv APIs but i cant work with the highgui API (aka saveImage...)	11:56
eyaler	who can i adress any question about this subject? does nokia still support it?	11:56
teotwaki	Has Nokia ever supported OpenCV?	11:57
teotwaki	I thought it was an Intel project?	11:57
eyaler	yes it is.. my question is does nokia still support MADDE?	11:57
teotwaki	Nokia doesn't support anything Maemo related anymore, as far as I can tell.	11:58
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user__	hello	12:02
eyaler	yes, you are probebly right dear teotwaki.. :-(	12:02
eyaler	hello user_	12:02
eyaler	but who can i ask question about it.. ?	12:03
teotwaki	eyaler: even if they do say they support it, I'd trust that support about as far as I can throw a fridge.	12:03
eyaler	hey, maybe ur the Hulk.. he can throw a fridge...	12:04
user__	i accidentally powered off my device while copying a file. now i can't delete that file. is there a way rto remove that broken file?	12:06
vi__	What device?	12:06
user__	n900	12:07
vi__	xterm, as root, rm <your file>	12:07
vi__	Check this out:	12:07
vi__	http://www.amazon.com/BoxWave-Nokia-N900-AluArmor-Jacket/dp/B003CJ4ZFM	12:07
user__	i tried. it shows that is a system file.	12:07
vi__	user__: dafuq?	12:07
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Cor-Ai	sudo rm -f file	12:07
Cor-Ai	can work	12:07
vi__	sudo rm -f <yourfile> as root?	12:08
vi__	Who would root sudo?	12:08
vi__	kerio: ping	12:08
Cor-Ai	well.. i meant without root first!	12:08
Cor-Ai	:p	12:08
Cor-Ai	old habit of typing sudo first	12:09
vi__	sudo...	12:09
vi__	ewwrrgh.	12:09
vi__	boontu is that way -->	12:09
Cor-Ai	haha im so clumsy that i destroy stuff if im root..	12:10
Cor-Ai	and no, its that way <--	12:10
vi__	But, if boontus over there...that means...OH SHIT.	12:11
vi__	BRB	12:11
vi__	amazon.com price:$27	12:12
user__	thanks a lot. but now i cant delete the folde that file contained. t shos that folder is read only!	12:12
vi__	amazon.co.uk price:£27	12:12
vi__	It is cheaper to order from america and have shipped to the UK than from the UK.	12:13
vi__	wtf amazon.	12:13
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teotwaki	vi__: try living in Australia for kicks.	12:14
jon_y	or New Zealand	12:14
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SUMEDHE5DMS	Hello. i can't delete a folder. i used xterm also. it shows that is "Read Only". how can i delete it friends?	12:15
jon_y	vi__: agreed, sudo su - :)	12:16
vi__	SUMEDHE5DMS: become root	12:18
vi__	SUMEDHE5DMS: rm -r ./<the name of your folder>	12:18
vi__	60cents to the £	12:18
Cor-Ai	my eyes :( stop hilighting him!	12:19
pcfe	are those the odds you take WRT the user forgetting the dot? ;-P	12:19
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vi__	pcfe: Yes!	12:30
pcfe	vi__: :) I like your humor	12:32
jon_y	with newer gnu coreutils, rm -rf / will produce a warning	12:34
jon_y	no idea about busybox though	12:34
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DocScrutinizer51	~spell u	13:06
infobot	'u' may be spelled correctly	13:06
DocScrutinizer51	infobot: useless	13:06
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer51 in the darkest corner of the room. :(		13:06
DocScrutinizer51	teotwaki: you might try ~die as well. I mustn't since she takes it literally when I tell her so	13:07
DocScrutinizer51	teotwaki: or you do the turing test on her, which she still doesn't stand	13:09
DocScrutinizer51	~lart herself	13:10
* infobot hits herself with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha		13:10
eyaler	i will try again.. anybody here is using MADDE under Windows 7 OS??	13:10
DocScrutinizer51	odds are almost all devels are on linux. eyaler	13:11
eyaler	yes, so i am a lonely ranger here.. but, maybe there is one..	13:11
DocScrutinizer51	as, I mean, they're all developing for a linux target, and those devels usually deprecate windows	13:12
DocScrutinizer51	yeah, keep on asking	13:13
DocScrutinizer51	one or two others might share your fate	13:13
DocScrutinizer51	or have tried to, at least	13:14
jon_y	eyaler: madde on Win7?	13:14
jon_y	isn't that the usbnet thing on the phone?	13:14
eyaler	jon_y: yes	13:14
eyaler	MADDE on windows 7...	13:14
jon_y	arm cross compiler?	13:15
eyaler	yes...	13:15
DocScrutinizer51	~madde	13:15
DocScrutinizer51	hmmmm	13:15
eyaler	i write my code on QT in windows 7 OS, and compile directly to the Nokia N900..	13:16
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jon_y	wouldn't it be easier to do it on Linux?	13:16
eyaler	yes it would..	13:16
jon_y	or a VM	13:16
eyaler	but it for my University project and my teacher wants it to work on windows	13:16
eyaler	yes, also on VM it will be easier..	13:16
jon_y	ok, do one for windows and use the VM for the n900	13:17
jon_y	sounds simple enough	13:17
eyaler	well, i thought about going that direction but i mange to do some stuff in windwos	13:18
eyaler	so far i mange to add debuging ability to QT on the Nokia and add opencv the problem is that i can make highgui API to work..	13:18
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jon_y	sorry, no idea bout those	13:19
eyaler	i mange to open IplImage object but i cant use cvSaveImage	13:19
eyaler	those are good ideas..	13:19
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teotwaki	"manage"	13:27
teotwaki	"mange" is "eat" in French.	13:27
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Hurrian	Does anyone notice that the N900 can power more demanding headphones thru the jack?	13:46
Hurrian	My N9 simply cannot power any of my kit.	13:47
Hurrian	(Without an amplifier, of course.)	13:47
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vi__	Hurrian: wut	13:48
Hurrian	vi__, simple as this: Insert headphone jack into N900, music can play thru them. Insert into N9, no output.	13:49
Hurrian	It's the same with my iPod Nano 6th gen - no output, so I assume the N900 can somehow power higher-impedance headphones.	13:50
vi__	or...	13:52
vi__	DRM HEADPHONES!	13:52
Hurrian	>working on the N900, not on the N9 and iPod	13:53
Hurrian	That's some DRM scheme there, exactly what I'd expect from DRM schemes ;)	13:53
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flux	I have the same with my car stereo regarding N9 and N900	14:14
flux	haven't tried fixing it with a possibly new connector or a resistor	14:14
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Hurrian	flux, a portable amp should do it.	14:17
Hurrian	I tried it with a friend's FiiO E7 on an iPhone which couldn't otherwise power my HD595.	14:19
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Hurrian	the downside though is that you need to carry around an amp, which needs a separate battery.	14:19
flux	I'm seriously not having a portable amp to deal with line output..	14:20
flux	it's not about being able, it's about it not eving noticing that there's a cable plugged in	14:20
flux	..probably due to too low resistance or something	14:20
Hurrian	you mean too /high/ resistance.	14:21
Hurrian	Even my desktop's built in audio struggles to drive the HD595. A dedicated amp really comes in handy for high-impedance stuff.	14:21
Hurrian	On a side note, one would wonder why a car audio's line in has high impedance - it does have it's own power supply	14:22
SpeedEvil	to avoid damage from shorts	14:23
vi__	just received an n900	14:25
vi__	opened it up.	14:25
vi__	WTF	14:25
vi__	has this thing been used as an air filter during the paris dakar rally?	14:26
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SpeedEvil	:-\	14:27
SpeedEvil	does it work?	14:27
vi__	it powers up.	14:27
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vi__	headset jack seems a bit...loose.	14:30
Hurrian	vi__, time for a can of air?	14:30
vi__	Hurrian: I am at work, we have a compressor!	14:30
DocScrutinizer51	time for a retour	14:30
Hurrian	vi__, loose as in it wiggles or it doesn't hold in a 3.5mm well?	14:31
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SpeedEvil	careful!	14:31
vi__	Hurrian: the 3.5mm jack seems to move 0.5mm sided to side.	14:31
Hurrian	either way, that'd mean it's a really worn out device	14:31
SpeedEvil	don't compressed air the mic	14:31
vi__	I am not sure if it is the connector or the space the connector sits in.	14:31
SpeedEvil	the jack is not soldered to the board IIRC	14:31
SpeedEvil	it's springs	14:31
vi__	SpeedEvil: no way, I am going to blast those little 0602 right off the board.	14:32
vi__	SpeedEvil: Yeah.	14:32
flux	hurrian, well, how does one fail to detect too high resistance compared to not having a wire at all?	14:32
vi__	That is what I meant.	14:32
SpeedEvil	the microphone	14:32
vi__	flux: With a multimeter that goes that high!	14:32
flux	hurrian, I mean, it probably is able to detect that there is no wire, and then it detects that there's some resistance.. if there's high resistance, it's even further away from the 'no connection' state..	14:33
flux	actually no :). I'm thinking this backwards, right?	14:34
flux	infinite resistance would be the no wire-case	14:34
flux	but I can lower that resistance by connecting the signal/gnd through a resistor	14:34
vi__	now is time to try the internal battery->cap mod!	14:37
DocScrutinizer51	vi__: Hurrian: sth along not workingat all with 3pin maybe?	14:37
vi__	I have never seen a phone full of so much pubes and crap.	14:38
Hurrian	DocScrutinizer51, these aren't TRRS connectors	14:38
Hurrian	vi__, ugh, yuck. Dust getting into the N900 is bad enough, how does that stuff get in there?	14:39
Hurrian	I don't even want to think about it.	14:39
Hurrian	I'd strip the case components down, and give them a good dunk.	14:39
DocScrutinizer51	Hurrian: check how devices distinguish headset, headphone,, AV	14:39
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vi__	wtf	14:40
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vi__	it has no aerials.	14:40
DocScrutinizer51	the 'usualm jack is 4pin	14:41
DocScrutinizer51	sorry for typos, eating burger and N900 SUCKS for typing on table	14:41
DocScrutinizer51	vi__: Hurrian: the common 3pin jack shorts mic pin to GND	14:43
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DocScrutinizer51	but actually N9 might have low output impedance and thus too low voltage on high impedance inputs like line-in	14:44
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Hurrian	That's what I suspect. I'll cut up a cable and measure voltages on a pair of crappy flight earphones.	14:47
DocScrutinizer51	Hurrian: for car audio a separation transformer 'DI-box' is highly recommended anyway. You could use a step-up 1:1p transformer	14:48
DocScrutinizer51	1:10	14:48
DocScrutinizer51	on low impedance headphones, max 'allowable' voltage is some 100mV, for line in you want some 2V	14:50
DocScrutinizer51	if you use a plug with 50R resistor from 3rd contact to GND/4th, odds are the device will switch to AV mode and ramp up voltage on 1. + 2. pin (L + R) to line level	14:52
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DocScrutinizer51	anyway, it's all up to the question: is sound way too silent, or is there no sound at all?	14:55
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Hurrian	There is no sound at all.	14:59
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vi__	how do I fix the vibrate motor?	15:30
vi__	it 'feels' wonky and rough.	15:30
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vi_	AARRRRGH.	15:42
vi_	My PC just bluescreened MID FLASHING.	15:42
vi_	USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x01c8.	15:45
vi_	Raw data transfer EP found at EP2.	15:45
vi_	[init 20 % 32768 / 255947 kB 0 kB/s]	15:45
vi_	c:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>	15:45
vi_	what the hell is this?	15:45
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vi_	The first time I have had an n900 that will not flash!	15:45
Pali	vi_, use linux	15:46
Pali	window userspace usb access via device filtering is really bad	15:47
vi_	but it has worked like 20 times before.	15:47
vi_	It starts to flash, then goes to the 5 dots!	15:47
Pali	you are lucky that your windows worked 20 times!	15:48
vi_	hah!	15:48
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vi_	funny thing is, I can flash the rootfs.	15:52
vi_	Just not the emmc.	15:52
Eyaler	hello anybody using MADDE?	15:53
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vi_	so I can flash rootfs and it will boot up.	15:59
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vi_	But I cannot flash emmc, it just tries to boot up!	16:00
Pali	Eyaler, rather use scratchbox	16:01
Pali	madde is only semiworking and without gnu utils & debhelper on debian not very usable...	16:02
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vi_	DocScrutinizer51: ping	16:20
DocScrutinizer51	vi_: tmp pong	16:22
vi_	can you suggest a reason why a n900 would be able to flash rootfs but fail on emmc?	16:23
vi_	As in it starts to flash emmc, gets to 20% of the first part then just stops. The n900 then attempts to boot.	16:24
DocScrutinizer51	for flashing eMMC you need a semi-sane rootfs	16:24
vi_	Yup	16:24
vi_	So I have flashed rootfs. It went through fine.	16:24
vi_	when I attempt emmc it just fails.	16:26
vi_	I will paste the output.	16:26
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vi_	Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB	16:28
vi_	Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA	16:28
vi_	USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x0105.	16:28
vi_	Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101	16:28
vi_	NOLO version 1.4.14	16:28
vi_	Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0	16:28
vi_	Booting device into flash mode.	16:28
vi_	Suitable USB device not found, waiting.	16:28
vi_	USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x01c8.	16:28
vi_	Raw data transfer EP found at EP2.	16:28
vi_	[init 20 % 32768 / 255947 kB 0 kB/s]	16:28
vi_	oops	16:28
vi_	well it shows that then starts to load 5 dots,	16:29
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vi_	then hangs.	16:29
DocScrutinizer51	battery empty?	16:31
vi_	no, battery full	16:31
DocScrutinizer51	use better USB cable, better USB driver lib, other PC OS	16:32
DocScrutinizer51	blacklist all possibly interfering modules	16:32
vi_	what the actual fuck.	16:32
vi_	I pretty much hosed the emmc when the a flash failed and caused my pc to bluescreen.	16:33
DocScrutinizer51	the effect is not unknown	16:33
vi_	The device booted but showed the 'no image' grey squares thing that you see with a hosed emmc.	16:33
vi_	so I flashed rootfs again.	16:33
vi_	then tried emmc. It failed like the text I pasted above.	16:34
DocScrutinizer51	ep	16:34
vi_	Now I have switched the device on and the emmc contents are back!	16:34
DocScrutinizer51	yep	16:34
jon_y	try a different usb port?	16:34
vi_	jon_y: done that.	16:34
DocScrutinizer51	yep	16:34
jon_y	some ports are really hubs	16:35
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jon_y	took me a day to figure out when flashing the N9 would mysteriously fail	16:35
vi_	jon_y: I have tried the ports on the front and on the back of thePC.	16:35
vi_	I have used this PC to flash another n900 some 20 times or so before.	16:35
jon_y	luckily USB3 hubs are rare, so USB 3 ports are likely not hubs	16:35
DocScrutinizer51	windows? uninstall pcsuite	16:36
jon_y	"Now I have switched the device on and the emmc contents are back!" <- so is it fixed now?	16:36
DocScrutinizer51	or better et, use linux ;)	16:36
vi_	jon_y: I am not sure.	16:36
vi_	for emmc to come back you need to transfer ~200mb of data.	16:37
vi_	according to the flasher output it managed about 32mb.	16:37
jon_y	I guess you could try it in Linux	16:37
vi_	it seems it is a 2101.	16:37
jon_y	knoppix, or a vm	16:38
jon_y	I miss knoppix	16:39
DocScrutinizer51	my guess: it didn't even start to flash emmc	16:39
jon_y	these days, pretty much any end-user oriented distro comes with a bootable CD	16:39
DocScrutinizer51	vi_: also check your emmc img for latest. the old on doesn't work with new rootfs	16:42
DocScrutinizer51	old one*	16:42
DocScrutinizer51	check md5sum!	16:42
vi_	DocScrutinizer51: They are the last images released by no-workia	16:43
DocScrutinizer51	users with flawed download reported dame problems	16:43
vi_	I just took fresh copies from my backup stash as well.	16:43
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vi_	I have used these images loads of times.	16:43
DocScrutinizer51	then finally nuke that redmond crap on your machine, get an OS instead for doing serious stuff	16:44
DocScrutinizer51	bbl	16:45
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jon_y	DocScrutinizer51: but games!	16:46
jon_y	games are serious business :)	16:46
vi_	have you not heard?	16:46
vi_	steam for linux!	16:46
vi_	Half life 3 will be released on gentoo first!	16:46
jon_y	not all games are on steam	16:46
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jon_y	d3d games everywhere :(	16:47
vi_	good point.	16:47
vi_	I do not think the source engine has an opengl mode.	16:47
jon_y	my RTS game doesn't use source	16:48
jon_y	I remember the old HL1 game, it has GL mode	16:48
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jon_y	looks about the same as D3D mode	16:49
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vi_	yes pre source had openl mode.	16:49
jon_y	so when is team fortress coming? :)	16:49
jon_y	I played the classic 1.5, would not touch the newer one without the ability to grenade spam	16:50
vi_	u spam no skill gay noob.	16:51
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jon_y	vi_: no, spy grenade spam requires skill to be effective	16:53
vi_	ok, it has to be the PC.	16:53
jon_y	otherwise you'd be wasting grenades	16:53
vi_	nade spam - don't wan to risk wasting nades.	16:53
vi_	wut.	16:53
jon_y	hallucination grenades is often lethal when spammed correctly	16:54
vi_	I have never played TF so I cannot really comment.	16:54
jon_y	everybody had more or less the same model in TF classic	16:55
jon_y	class == gun you're holding	16:55
jon_y	simple as that	16:55
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trx	does cssu stable have rotation issues?	17:17
trx	every time i want to answer my phone, the UI is missing and visible only while rotating the phone and then it goes away	17:18
trx	randomly	17:18
trx	or should i abandon cssu?	17:19
Lava_Croft	teamfortress on the halflife engine is like windows phone on harmattan hardware	17:19
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Lava_Croft	jon_y: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FVJ__rBFxk	17:23
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vi_	DocScrutinizer51: Figured it out.	18:06
vi_	perhaps.	18:06
vi_	I think newer versions of nokia suite ship a new version of libusb0 (on windows).	18:07
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DocScrutinizer51	quite possible, toldya uninstall nokiasuite	18:08
DocScrutinizer51	also toldya to get rid of redmond completely	18:08
vi_	what a ball breaker.	18:08
vi_	Nokia, why u breakin my balls?	18:08
vi_	DocScrutinizer51: I use linux by choice. on everything.	18:08
DocScrutinizer51	that's clearly MS	18:08
vi_	Just not this PC.	18:09
vi_	M$ can suck the sweat from my nuts.	18:09
DocScrutinizer51	anyway, job over, heading home, bbl	18:09
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DocScrutinizer51	get a liveCD	18:26
Skry	offtopic but does anyone know if the operator lock can be removed from Nokia N95? Google only mentions N95 8GB and something that "regular" N95 has different method in unlocking.	18:27
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vi_	Skry: afaik the n95 is busted wide open by now.	18:30
vi_	It was pre-encrypted bootloader thingy that came out around 5800.	18:30
kerio	neat	18:30
kerio	run fremantle on it	18:30
vi_	nope	18:31
vi_	nokia use to use there own special arm chips.	18:31
vi_	^their	18:31
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Skry	vi_: hmm, ok thanks, gotta do some more googling then.	18:34
vi_	Skry: afaik you need a jaf box.	18:35
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Skry	vi_: meh, don't have one, and dont know anyone who would have one :\	18:37
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Pali	Hi! now testing all packages from rx51-bme-replacement and it working!	19:48
Pali	now I can shred BME binaries :-)	19:48
Skry	great! :)	19:49
trx	no more closed soruce bme? :)	19:49
trx	congrats :)	19:50
Pali	DEB packages are here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/	19:50
Pali	source code is here: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement/	19:51
Pali	freemangordon, merlin1991, DocScrutinizer51 ^^^^^	19:51
Pali	now it working on maemo with kernel-power (pre)v52	19:52
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kerio	Pali: why does it load the modules?	19:53
kerio	aren't they loaded automatically?	19:53
Pali	no, modules are blacklisted in kernel-power	19:53
Pali	but if modules are loaded modprobe will skip loading (and return 0)	19:53
kerio	i see	19:54
kerio	Pali: btw, does the stock battery applet work with your bme replacement?	19:54
Pali	yes	19:55
kerio	Pali: and what's the bq2415x-charger policy regarding the end of the charge?	19:55
Pali	same what is in charge21.sh script	19:56
kerio	and what's that? :)	19:56
kerio	let bq24150 do its thing?	19:57
kerio	it's probably the best thing, but it's still annoying	19:57
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ShadowJK	(charge restart happens at around 95% with Japod BL-5) and PR1.3 kernel and charge*/bq24150)	20:01
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DocScrutinizer51	kerio: wtf is annoying about bq24150 battery management?	20:04
kerio	the thing where i have to restart the charge 90 mins before leaving the house in the morning :)	20:04
DocScrutinizer51	you don't have to	20:05
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DocScrutinizer51	nly annoying thing is you findint the fly in the ointment now that you have a way to tell what's actually going on	20:07
DocScrutinizer51	while old bme signalled 'charging ended' despite battery taing another 100mA during the next 2h	20:08
DocScrutinizer51	while old bme signalled 'charging complete' despite battery taking another 100mAh during the next 2h	20:09
kerio	hm	20:10
ShadowJK	bq27200 "full" is much earlier than bq24150 too, but bq27200 obviously caps it at 100%	20:11
kerio	ShadowJK: RSOC or CSOC?	20:12
ShadowJK	at one point I integrated current over time and calculated that in some cases it'd charge another 15% after bq27200 full :)	20:12
ShadowJK	both	20:13
DocScrutinizer05	yep	20:13
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kerio	how can you "integrate" over a bunch of datapoints?	20:13
DocScrutinizer05	look at a good math teaching book for that	20:14
kerio	it's... a sum	20:14
ShadowJK	On N8x0 where I've also done integrating fuel gauge, it says "full" when you plug in charger if battery is above 70-80 percent or so :)	20:14
kerio	Pali: modules loaded, no bme, no reboots, hald-addon-bme running	20:15
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ShadowJK	Well, bq27200's average current is for last 5s, which means it's current/3600*5 mAh change	20:15
kerio	how do i test libbmeipc and/or dsme-thermalobject-surface?	20:15
Pali	kerio, open syslog and grep for bme	20:16
kerio	no syslog	20:16
kerio	3:	20:16
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Pali	pulseaudio using libbmeipc and it write output to syslog	20:16
kerio	hm	20:16
Pali	without syslog, it is not possible	20:16
ShadowJK	or smth like that	20:16
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jonwil	yay for new open BME :)	20:17
Pali	jonwil, removing BME on maemo5 is possible now :-)	20:17
jonwil	cool :)	20:18
kerio	Pali: i don't get messages from pulseaudio on stop/start	20:18
kerio	in syslog	20:18
jonwil	another piece of proprietary junk bites the dust :P	20:18
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Pali	kerio, wait pulseaudio did not ask for temperature every second	20:19
Pali	jonwil, yes bme is replaced :-)	20:19
jonwil	which piece of proprietary junk should be replaced next?	20:19
kerio	Pali: ok, i'll wait a bit	20:19
Pali	jonwil, systemui or mce	20:19
kerio	jonwil: pulseaudio!	20:19
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Pali	pulseaudio was opened	20:20
jonwil	also, do you still need to know anything about systemui_actingdead?	20:20
Pali	only one library is closed	20:20
kerio	lennart poettering is the proprietary of pulseaudio	20:20
kerio	because it definetely isn't mine	20:20
Pali	jonwil, problem is that what you wrote about actingdead is same what doing battery applet	20:20
Iridos	hm, is there any java browser plugin one can have in maemo on the n900? ... Icedtea, perhaps? mmh, there's an icedtea6 package, but no plugin?	20:20
jonwil	is there more info I can find for you?	20:21
Pali	jonwil, everything about systemui	20:21
jonwil	I found out all I can about systemui :P	20:21
Pali	ok :-)	20:21
jonwil	I still think icd would be a nice target for replacement :P	20:22
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DocScrutinizer05	icd could use some proper documentation how to use and configure it, first	20:28
kerio	how's gnome's networkmanager?	20:29
DocScrutinizer05	after that, any replacement is probably easy	20:29
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: does it matter?	20:29
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DocScrutinizer05	how's networkmanager compatible to icd? I don't think that's any valid replacement	20:30
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: well, it's a replacement	20:32
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DocScrutinizer05	android also is a replacement, as is winp7	20:32
kerio	it's an opensource replacement! :P	20:33
DocScrutinizer05	it's no replacement	20:33
kerio	by the way, what can programs do with icd2?	20:33
ShadowJK	icd is the one thing that made sense to close-source, because it works much better and reliably than networkmanager while consuming less ram	20:33
Skry	if we speculate about such options, connman would be a good base to start, networkmanager not so much.	20:33
kerio	bring up the connection dialog and/or ask for a saved connection	20:33
DocScrutinizer05	like a stone isn't a replacement for a gun	20:33
kerio	and what else?	20:34
DocScrutinizer05	mhm, seems you start to understand why I asked for proper docs of icd first	20:36
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ShadowJK	I spent a month trying to configure notworkmanager on my PC, and it's almost OK now, except it kills internet if I plug in my N900, and also randomly kills network drives on a semi-regular schedule :(	20:38
ShadowJK	Yeah I'd rather see conman	20:38
ShadowJK	(not over icd though)	20:38
kerio	>almost OK	20:38
kerio	wtf	20:38
DocScrutinizer05	any such "replacement" would at very least need a converter from old icd config files to new replacement's config	20:38
DocScrutinizer05	and the replacement of course needs to provide the full API like icd does	20:39
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: yep, NM thinks of N900 as a new cute NIC	20:40
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DocScrutinizer05	so it drops all existing connectivity to set up a new route via N900	20:41
DocScrutinizer05	that's however the optimal case	20:41
DocScrutinizer05	usually it just is messing up all that can get messed up	20:41
Skry	I believe connman is fully modular, including configuration part so perhaps it could be made directly read old configs as is. It's also targeted for embedded devices so, again, it might be a good starting point.	20:42
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Skry	oh, looks like it's sponsored by nokia and intel :)	20:44
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kolp	Pali, I have KPpre52 running and installed your bme-replacements as well as your bttery status plugin. Now the device won't charge the battery and the battery plugin shows it as empty (0%) and 1426/-1 mAh. Did I miss something?	20:48
kolp	Also it won't boot with charger plugged in, but that seems to be an older problem	20:48
kolp	(First noticed that after last thumb update)	20:49
Pali	kolp, are kernel drivers loaded?	20:49
Pali	which version of status menu plugin do you have?	20:49
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kolp	bq27x00_battery and bq2415x_charger are loaded, yes	20:54
Pali	and rx51_battery?	20:54
kolp	Yes	20:55
Pali	upload somewhere output of lshal	20:55
kolp	It should charge automatically when I plug in the charger, shouldn't it?	20:55
Pali	yes	20:56
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kolp	Pali, will upload. Just noticed something: with plugged-in charger the displayed mAh increases. Now "1443/-1 mAh"	20:58
Pali	this seems like problem with rx51_battery driver which export design capacity (-1)	20:58
Pali	why is there -1?	20:59
Pali	did you using old version of my new status menu plugin for battery?	20:59
kolp	Hm, maybe. I'll try to update	21:00
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Pali	do update (deb package is on same url)	21:00
Pali	reboot and try again	21:00
Pali	if still not working, upload output of lshal to pastebin	21:01
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: you'll wnat to provide a debug tool with all your projects, consisting of a simple script to query properties of key components (like lsmod >>pr.log; ls -l /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/x/y >>pr.log) and finally upload that to a pastebin and spit out the URL	21:07
Pali	ok	21:07
DocScrutinizer05	also stuff like ps, cat /sys//// etc	21:07
DocScrutinizer05	whatever you might comnsider useful - aim is to get all the info you'd probably ever want to analyze problems on user side by user simply running that script	21:08
DocScrutinizer05	uname -a	21:09
DocScrutinizer05	dpkg --foo --bar	21:10
Pali	I will create new thread on TMO with all info	21:10
DocScrutinizer05	cat syslog	21:10
DocScrutinizer05	I thought about a script, not about a howto on tmo	21:11
Pali	yes, I will create script...	21:11
Pali	... but thread on TMO will be usefull that BME is replaced :-)	21:12
kerio	Pali: please tell people to make a full backup before doing that install	21:12
DocScrutinizer05	instruction could be a simple as pasting one line here: >>>root; wget http://pali.cz/bme/aux/debug.sh; . ./debug.sh; #paste output (URL) here please <<<	21:13
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: (useful) sure thing	21:14
DocScrutinizer05	:-)	21:14
kolp	Pali, ok, some progress: it's now 0 instead of -1, and it recognizes the charger being plugged in (shows the 'Charging banner nd the battery icon is animated).	21:15
DocScrutinizer05	also kerio had a useful comment once again :-D	21:15
kolp	Hm, trie dbq27200.sh to see if it knows the last charging's capacity, but that script's no longer working now?	21:16
Pali	kolp, I need output of lshal	21:16
kolp	Ok, hang on	21:16
kerio	kolp: it doesn't work if bq27x00-battery is loaded	21:16
kerio	check if what you want is in /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/	21:16
DocScrutinizer05	kolp: my major concern	21:16
Pali	I think that battery is not calibrated so last full is not available	21:16
Pali	but I do not know why rx51_battery does not reported design capacity	21:16
kolp	Pali: yes, that's why I wante dto run that script :)	21:17
DocScrutinizer05	bq27200.sh will stop working since bq27200.ko is exclusively opening the I2C device for that chip	21:17
Pali	kolp, run lshal and upload output	21:17
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: >>last full is not available<< is not possible. When chip gets reset, it moves ILMD from ROM to "last full"	21:20
Pali	so when can be last full 0?	21:20
DocScrutinizer05	hardly ever	21:20
kolp	Pali: http://pastebin.com/PMfGTdC8	21:21
Pali	kolp, which battery do you have?	21:22
Pali	BL5J?	21:22
Pali	or other?	21:22
kolp	Yes, old original Nokia	21:22
Pali	ok	21:22
Pali	I will look at log later	21:22
Pali	now going afk	21:22
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kolp	cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/capacity says: cat: read error: No data available	21:24
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Pali	so you do not have calibrated your bq chip	21:25
kolp	I had a new PolarCell in there that I measured using bq27200.sh in that device.	21:26
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: you could bash down "Last Measured Discharge" to 0 by abusing N900 as a battery charger for quite a long time aka high number of charge processes. Insert empty battery while making sure bq27200 won't reset during battery removed, then charge battery to full, insert next completely empty battery...	21:26
Pali	but there is: udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_power_supply_battery_rx51_battery' battery.reporting.design = 1292 (0x50c) (int)	21:26
DocScrutinizer05	I'm not completely sure it would work like that even	21:26
Pali	I need to find problem why new status area plugin did not read that design capacity	21:27
DocScrutinizer05	since swapping battery should invalidate learning cycle I'd guess	21:27
kolp	I'll try with a different battery	21:29
ShadowJK	(also, each successful learning cycle can change capacity only by 1/6th of previous LMD)	21:30
Pali	kolp, try this: sudo rmmod rx51_battery && sudo modprobe rx51_battery	21:31
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kolp	Doesn't help	21:34
kolp	Also, changing the batter ydoesn't, either	21:34
Pali	kolp, downgrade back to nokia status menu plugin	21:35
kerio	kolp: modprobe -r bq27x00-battery and then bq27200.sh	21:35
Pali	maybe there is some bug in my version	21:35
kerio	Pali: worksforme	21:35
Pali	kolp: sudo apt-get install status-area-applet-battery=0.1.24+0m5	21:36
Pali	and then reboot	21:36
kolp	Ok, hang on	21:36
Pali	2c205408bb55cb3e59af05abdb9baeeb status-area-applet-battery_1.0-1_armel.deb	21:36
Pali	789d67ee6e3ebcfd141e8e126d570123 status-area-applet-battery_0.1.24+0m5_armel.deb	21:37
Pali	md5sum	21:37
Pali	version 0.1.24+0m5 is nokia version, 1.0-1 is my	21:37
Pali	kolp, check md5sum of my deb package	21:37
kolp	md5sum matches	21:38
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kolp	Downgrading	21:38
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kolp	Pali: Nokia's applet seems to work	21:41
Pali	kolp, ok	21:41
kolp	s/seems to work/works/	21:41
infobot	kolp meant: Pali: Nokia's applet works	21:41
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders why everybody using rmmod instead modprobe -r		22:01
kerio	idk, i always use modprobe -r	22:01
kolp_	It's shorter to type :P	22:02
kolp_	What#s the difference between the two?	22:02
DocScrutinizer05	none, except rmmod obsolete	22:02
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DocScrutinizer05	as is insmod	22:02
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DocScrutinizer05	both got obsoleted by modprobe, which in fact does a tad more than those can do	22:03
DocScrutinizer05	((<kerio> wtf is max load?)) the maximum current the chip detected, since $dunno-when	22:10
kerio	hm	22:10
DocScrutinizer05	kinda highscore	22:11
DocScrutinizer05	you could safely assume that your battery will sustain operation for at least the MLTTE	22:11
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kolp_	> which piece of proprietary junk should be replaced next?	23:21
kolp_	I'd vote for connui-statusbar-internet :)	23:22
kolp_	With wifi link qulity indicating icon in the status bar	23:22
DocScrutinizer05	259 \o/	23:26
DocScrutinizer05	If we relieve some bans ans sell popcorn, we might reach 300 again ;-D	23:27
DocScrutinizer05	and*	23:27
DocScrutinizer05	dang, not even Friday and I feel the burden already, thinking twice about every post	23:28
DocScrutinizer05	Woody14619a: any time schedule for the Friday massacre?	23:30
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: 259 what?	23:31
DocScrutinizer05	users	23:31
kerio	oh, in here	23:32
DocScrutinizer05	yup	23:32
kerio	some dude is abandoning the N9 scene and selling two N9s and a N950	23:33
kerio	:(	23:33
DocScrutinizer05	shrug	23:33
DocScrutinizer05	should I worry?	23:33
DocScrutinizer05	I pinder selling that lumia	23:34
DocScrutinizer05	ponder, dafaq	23:34
DocScrutinizer05	my typing getting worse by the hour rtaher than the day	23:34
DocScrutinizer05	~spell	23:35
DocScrutinizer05	WUT??	23:35
DocScrutinizer05	ooh	23:36
DocScrutinizer05	~spelling	23:36
infobot	it has been said that spelling is best dealt with in a qualitative sense. "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." as Andrew Johnson pointed out. Spelling also doesn't make any difference on IRC.	23:36
DocScrutinizer05	~+spell	23:36
infobot	You've guessed it right, I'm a spell checker. Give me any word and I can confirm whether it's good or bad.	23:36
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Skry	actually, both rmmod and modprobe are deprecated by kmod	23:54
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jon_y	Lava_Croft: team fortress classic was pretty OK	23:59

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