| RzR | if items are beeing sold 1KEUR on ebay , there is a market | 00:00 |
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| RzR | illegal one ... | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/opensourcehw.txt | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | you can't get the parts thpug | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | the above is relevant | 00:01 |
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| Sysaxed | RiD, one guy was trying to sell me this for 100€ https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-11-07-000120_1280x800_scrot.png | 00:02 |
| Sysaxed | or maybe 110€, I don't remember | 00:02 |
| RzR | cheap if the key open NokiaHQ of hidden treasure | 00:04 |
| RiD | is that a damaged touchscreen | 00:04 |
| RiD | it looks like he accidentally left the phone exposed to high levels of gamma rays | 00:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | attempted scratch removal? | 00:08 |
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| RiD | LOL | 00:08 |
| RiD | SpeedEvil he left some scratches... he should have removed the whole layer | 00:08 |
| Sysaxed | HAHAH | 00:11 |
| Sysaxed | scratch removal with sandpaper?? | 00:11 |
| RiD | i think he used the key | 00:18 |
| RiD | that's on the picture... | 00:18 |
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| Sysaxed | but look, it worked! | 00:20 |
| Sysaxed | no scratch! | 00:20 |
| Sysaxed | just a worn out screen | 00:20 |
| RiD | oh well | 00:22 |
| RiD | i wonder how can people ruin the screen that way | 00:22 |
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| jacekowski | Sysaxed: you can remove scratches with sandpaper | 00:29 |
| jacekowski | Sysaxed: but it has to be correct grit | 00:29 |
| jacekowski | and used correctly | 00:29 |
| jacekowski | it's called polishing | 00:29 |
| Sysaxed | yea, I know | 00:29 |
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| Sysaxed | maybe this guy thought this one is for polishing https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-11-07-003100_347x274_scrot.png | 00:31 |
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| jacekowski | well, depends | 00:31 |
| jacekowski | it can be | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | you start with coarse one | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | and then go up | 00:32 |
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| RiD | also known as wearing out the screen | 00:36 |
| RiD | lol | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<RzR> gtk04 is pretty expensive)) errrrr, look at TI zoom-II, it's like 4 times the price of gta04, for basically same hw | 00:46 |
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| rZr | pretty expensive for the average joe... | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Sysaxed> RiD, one guy was trying to sell me this for 100 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-11-07-000120_1280x800_scrot.png)) HEY, I think I know that device, screen, story. Seems it's been caused by some bodylotion or sth like that | 00:49 |
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| RiD | ...bodylotion. | 00:50 |
| Sysaxed | what :D | 00:50 |
| RiD | How would bodylotion end up there | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the guy once came here and admitted there was some smeary substance on the screen | 00:50 |
| Sysaxed | why would somebody apply bodylotion to n900? | 00:51 |
| RiD | ... | 00:51 |
| RiD | secrets | 00:51 |
| Sysaxed | I know that I'm treating my n900 as a baby.. but bodylotion.. | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you could do a phonecall with some peeling on your face ;-P | 00:51 |
| Sysaxed | haha :D | 00:51 |
| Sysaxed | well, it does really look like a cheek | 00:52 |
| Sysaxed | but still... | 00:52 |
| RiD | well, ask C.S.I. | 00:52 |
| RiD | they will find out everything using that photo | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you also could store the device e.g. in your car's trunk, and then have a leaking reserve gasoline tank in there | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that may easily wreck the plastic, and the smeary substance just been leaking separator silicone oil of digitizer | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any pinhole punched into digitizer will already wreck it by leaking separator oil and thus shorting the planes | 00:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: I seriously doubt you can polish dents or scars out of a resistive digitizer foil | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | you can remove scratches | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | surface ones | 00:59 |
| RiD | mine is full of those | 00:59 |
| RiD | mostly caused by the pen i believe | 00:59 |
| RiD | they're only visible in certain lights and positions, thankfully. | 00:59 |
| Sysaxed | RiD, you're using your pen as a stylus too? :D | 01:00 |
| MrPingu | Or using your stylus as a pen? | 01:00 |
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| RiD | oh.. | 01:01 |
| RiD | i mean stylus, not pen | 01:01 |
| RiD | i use the one that came with the phone | 01:01 |
| RiD | its full of 4mm long scratches :( | 01:01 |
| RiD | drawing too much i guess | 01:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 still ponders selling styli of pure stainless steel, copper, or silver | 01:02 | |
| Sysaxed | when I'm on math lesson and using speedcrunch I can use my pen as a stylus :D | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I remove scratches by replacing the protector :-) | 01:02 |
| RiD | university, Sysaxed ? | 01:03 |
| Sysaxed | nah, school | 01:03 |
| RiD | you're under 18 | 01:03 |
| RiD | IRC is a dangerous place | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, Sysaxed | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you seen your mail? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | memo rather | 01:03 |
| RiD | it's where hackers meet eachother. Think about two boats overseas.... | 01:03 |
| Sysaxed | RiD, I'm exactly 18, last form | 01:03 |
| RiD | so you failed one year | 01:04 |
| Sysaxed | nope | 01:04 |
| Sysaxed | that's how it works in Estonia | 01:04 |
| RiD | well, different school system then :p | 01:04 |
| MrPingu | It's possible ;) | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /msg memoserv help | 01:04 |
| MrPingu | Here if you follow the highest level of secondary school without delays, you can be 18 too | 01:04 |
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| RiD | not here, unless my brain is failing on maths | 01:05 |
| RiD | I will however be 18 when it ends because I switched my course | 01:06 |
| MrPingu | You are 12 when you go to secondary school, then we have 3 levels: | 01:06 |
| MrPingu | 4, 5, and 6 years ;) | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh!! >> [2012-11-06 00:43:57] [Notice] -MemoServ- Sysaxed is not registered. | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-06 00:43:56] <-> memoserv> send Sysaxed mce.ini: # 2 - leave keypad interrupts on even after blanking \n # (used to support pass-through of +/-) | 01:07 |
| Sysaxed | oh | 01:08 |
| Sysaxed | oh-oh | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll never again doubt my words, will you? X-P | 01:08 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, how can I get this file? | 01:09 |
| Sysaxed | or maybe you could just point me to the lines that were changed | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /etc/mce/mce.ini | 01:09 |
| Sysaxed | I've scrolled the whole mce.ini and haven't found anything that could affect keys when blanking | 01:09 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, yeah, but what should I change to make them work? | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | less +"/# 2 - leave " /etc/mce/mce.ini | 01:10 |
| Sysaxed | OH | 01:10 |
| Sysaxed | I see it | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | especially for you: #> sed -i 's/DisableKPImmediately=1/DisableKPImmediately=2/' /etc/mce/mce.ini | 01:14 |
| Sysaxed | I've done it already :D | 01:14 |
| Sysaxed | thanks | 01:14 |
| Sysaxed | testing | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and? | 01:17 |
| Sysaxed | it works | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 01:17 |
| Sysaxed | sudo cat /dev/input/keypad | 01:17 |
| Sysaxed | now lock screen, press volume keys | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NOW you'll never again doubt my words, will you? X-P | 01:18 |
| Sysaxed | after you unlock you'll see some garbage - it works | 01:18 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, sorry, Mister! | 01:18 |
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| Sysaxed | you were right :3 | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | toldya I did it | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | before | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't think how it would fail for you then | 01:19 |
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| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, how can I map them now? There's a problem - they're controlling sound volume | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, and they won't stop doing that | 01:21 |
| Sysaxed | haha | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you best chance is to check for uktrashort keypress | 01:21 |
| Sysaxed | or I can change the volume back :D | 01:22 |
| Sysaxed | hope it will be fast enough | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OR: you cehck for + and - pressed concurrently | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik volume stops to change as soon as both are pressed | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you wouldn't lose volume control | 01:23 |
| Sysaxed | ok | 01:23 |
| Sysaxed | any suggestions on how to launch a script on a keypress? xbindkeys? | 01:23 |
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| Sysaxed | nah, I'd google that | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | OOOH, sorry. I suggested BS to you. N900 volume rocker doesn't mechanically alow to press + and - concurrently | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so detect + followed immediately by - as one meta command, and - immedately followed by + as the other | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as you see a + or - keypress, store current volume to a local variable. if during next 0.2s you detect another (opposite) keypress (like - after +) you start whatever script you defined for that meta command AND you keep resetting volume to what you stored to local variable (maybe +/- some offset to compensate for skew introduced until you imitially read out and stored the current volume) | 01:31 |
| Sysaxed | wtf is that internal error? http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Matan | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not unseen | 01:32 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, yeah, that's clear | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something fsckd up with wiki | 01:32 |
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| internetishard | anyone here in SF? | 01:34 |
| internetishard | tmobile has been having serious outages. Couldn't even call 911 if I tried. | 01:34 |
| internetishard | Anyone tried verison, at&t, etc (on n900, of course)? | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, couldn't if? | 01:35 |
| internetishard | (In SF) | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's telling you that you couldn't? | 01:35 |
| internetishard | my cell phone | 01:35 |
| internetishard | zero connectivity | 01:35 |
| internetishard | for hours | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, then maybe the network is down? | 01:35 |
| internetishard | It has been. Everytime I call, "we can't control how quickly the engineers work.... etc" | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 911 overrides some 8 or 12 other calls on same time disk. So if the base station is crowded (think superbowl or sth), you might not be able to place a normal call, but 911 still works, tearing down 12 other calls to free a channel for your 911 call | 01:37 |
| internetishard | yes, it says "no cell connectivity" or wahtever | 01:38 |
| internetishard | that's how bad the coverage has been | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aboce applies to 2G / GSM only. Dunno what's situation on 3G / WCDMA | 01:38 |
| internetishard | downtown SF | 01:38 |
| internetishard | no 3G or HSPA - it's said "2.5G" for a month at least | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | internetishard: if you really wanna do a 911 call, you might be better off by removing your SIM. | 01:40 |
| internetishard | I didn't REALLY, I just wanted to prove how shit their service is | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since then the modem is looking for *any* carrier to place the emergency call | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it *might* do same still, for 911 calls, with SIM inserted | 01:41 |
| internetishard | Anyway, I'm more curious about other providers. I'm just not going to pay my bill and switch | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your complaint about how shit their service kinda sounds like "look how bad that TV station. Since 3h they don't transmit anything, just snow and no signal on my screen, HELL they couldn't even send tsunami warnings, that's how down their transmitter is" | 01:44 |
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| internetishard | lol | 01:45 |
| internetishard | yep | 01:45 |
| internetishard | because of what you said, the tsunami warnings (911 on cells) get higher priority | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's however quite unusual when several base stations go down concurrently so you don't have *any* coverage | 01:45 |
| internetishard | good PoC that it's DITW | 01:45 |
| internetishard | I walked a few blocks and finally got my measily 2G sign back an 1 or 2 bars | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, what I said applies to network overload only | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not to "no signal" sitation | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | situation* | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite strange | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | especially taking into account the size of blocks I'd assume in SF | 01:48 |
| internetishard | Then I had to hear an earful about how the n900 isn't a "tmobile phone" on customer support | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usual urban cell has a diameter of less than 250m | 01:48 |
| internetishard | I don't know how fast it should come back - it might have come back after just one block if I had waited... After exiting an elevator it usually takes about 60s to get a bar again. | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your SIM might be defect | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since modem stores servicing cell and list of neighbour cells on SIM, to check those first after connectivity ditch | 01:50 |
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| internetishard | Yeah, I'm going to get a new SIM before I switch to a provider since the down time of having a phone number transfered to another provider is probably even worse. | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | internetishard: btw never tell hotline what phone you're using. It doesn't matter for anything hotline could do sth about | 01:52 |
| internetishard | I always assumed that, but they're all like "no!... what is the IMEI number?!" | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if they ask you about your phone type, answer "it's one of those new black ones, with a huge screen. Sorry? Nah, I don't give a damn about the brand or name, I wouldn't even know where to look at to find out" | 01:53 |
| internetishard | they claim they enter it and "it makes it work better" | 01:53 |
| internetishard | I don't know what they need to know in order to, for example, bump me up to HSPA. But I learned today that regardless of price you pay, Tmo will give you either 2G, 3G, or HSPA | 01:54 |
| internetishard | + | 01:54 |
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| internetishard | Which is confusing, because how does the tower decide which to provide to your phone? | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not entirely bullshit, they indeed *might* adjust stuff like audioequalization and echo cancelation to your particulr phone type. | 01:54 |
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| internetishard | What's your reason for not telling them which phone? | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-07 00:48:10] <internetishard> Then I had to hear an earful about how the n900 isn't a "tmobile phone" on customer support | 01:56 |
| internetishard | the cell architecture was so much more straightforward in scandinavia. Go to store, pay $10, get HSPA speeds after poping in SIM & entering code. | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, same here. Actually in whole Europe I guess | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | USA is third world of telecommunication | 01:57 |
| internetishard | Yeah, wasn't as nice in holland, though. | 01:57 |
| internetishard | I've worked a town away from mountain view, and we couldn't get cable - only two DSL lines | 01:57 |
| internetishard | now I'm downtown SF and my comcast down speed is 6mbps | 01:57 |
| internetishard | and that's second to highest teir they'll provide | 01:58 |
| internetishard | There are some indy ISPs that are cool, which do point to point microwave, but my apartment building is in bed with ATT and Comcast, and disallows it. | 01:58 |
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| internetishard | Then I get sad and drink alcohol. | 01:58 |
| RiD | yes | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, alcohol | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | good idea | 01:59 |
| merlin1991 | 10-4 | 01:59 |
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| RiD | expensive one | 01:59 |
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| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, so I've tried mapping F7 and F8 keys in xbindkeys to some command - doesn't work when the screen is locked | 02:01 |
| andre__ | Hmm, http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:RecentChanges says "Hook efCategoryTreeParserOutput failed to return a value" | 02:01 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, then where can I catch these events? | 02:02 |
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| Sysaxed | seems like reading /dev/input/keypad is the best solution | 02:06 |
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| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, ok, got my hands onto it | 02:56 |
| Sysaxed | it works, almost | 02:56 |
| Sysaxed | I'll finish it tomorrow :3 | 02:56 |
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| needhelp | hello! i need some help getting facebook to work | 03:34 |
| needhelp | i've updated libcurl3 | 03:34 |
| needhelp | and still nothing | 03:34 |
| needhelp | oh and i had to install all apps from the beginning, so might have missed something | 03:35 |
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| gogasan | hi! question: how can i access to value of brightness in nokia N900/maemo5? | 07:44 |
| gogasan | such as 'cat /blah/blah/blah' | 07:44 |
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| gogasan | no ideas?.. ?( | 07:55 |
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| Sicelo | congrats to our new Council | 09:03 |
| Sicelo | \./ | 09:03 |
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| Sicelo | topic needs adjusting | 09:04 |
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| MrPingu | meh, xbindkeys not so batteryfriendly :( | 12:17 |
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| vi_ | MrPingu: ... | 12:23 |
| vi_ | MrPingu: yes it is. | 12:23 |
| vi_ | MrPingu: what is the problem | 12:23 |
| vi_ | ? | 12:24 |
| MrPingu | It's the 1st application listed in my powertop :( | 12:24 |
| MrPingu | and it's not getting in C4 state | 12:27 |
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| MrPingu | vi_: where did you get xbindkeys from? The package in the repos is empty | 12:29 |
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| MrPingu | Maybe my binary is faulty? | 12:32 |
| MrPingu | Hard to believe but something has to cause my xbindkeys go crazy | 12:32 |
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| vi_ | MrPingu: I got xbindkeys from an external source. | 12:33 |
| vi_ | I cannot remember where. | 12:34 |
| vi_ | ALthough if you just wget the debian wheezy armel package and use the binary from that I imagine it would work. | 12:34 |
| vi_ | Or I could send you the binary? | 12:35 |
| MrPingu | I got it somewhere from TMO, but can't remember either | 12:35 |
| vi_ | If it is going nuts, that could imply you have configured it incorrectly. | 12:35 |
| vi_ | Also, is it a persistant problem or has it just happened this once? | 12:36 |
| vi_ | Is there an xbindkeys in the repo? | 12:36 |
| MrPingu | extras-devel, but it's a 0byte package :P | 12:36 |
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| MrPingu | I believe it happened since I put a script to event.d for booting up xbindkeys automatically | 12:37 |
| vi_ | MrPingu: Then that might be your problem. | 12:37 |
| vi_ | I have xbindkeys running ALL the time with no issues. | 12:38 |
| vi_ | I will wager that we have the same binary (found on tmo). | 12:38 |
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| MrPingu | exec run-standalone.sh su user -c /opt/xbindkeys/xbindkeys | 12:38 |
| MrPingu | That's my script, anything wron with that line, then? | 12:38 |
| MrPingu | Started and stopped on hildon-desktop | 12:39 |
| vi_ | I do not know, I start it from /etc/X11/Xsession.post/80fullscreen | 12:40 |
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| vi_ | #!/bin/sh | 12:40 |
| vi_ | xbindkeys -f /home/user/.xbindkeysrc | 12:40 |
| vi_ | ^which contains that | 12:40 |
| Sicelo | also check the logs for this channel. i seem to remember someone once had this very issue here before | 12:42 |
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| MrPingu | vi_: what are these numbers in that folder for? | 12:43 |
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| MrPingu | some kind of order? | 12:43 |
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| MrPingu | Sicelo: thanks, found it | 12:50 |
| vi_ | MrPingu: the numbers define the order that the scripts are excuted in. | 12:50 |
| MrPingu | From what I read there, event.d fsck something up | 12:51 |
| MrPingu | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-05-26.log.html | 12:51 |
| vi_ | I have used 80 as this makes it one of the last things to be executed. | 12:51 |
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| vi_ | I believe xbindkeys SHOULD be launched from xsession anyway. | 12:51 |
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| vi_ | ideologicaly anyway. | 12:51 |
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| MrPingu | I just noticed, why are some files there not marked executable? | 12:53 |
| vi_ | on xsesson.post? | 12:53 |
| vi_ | NFC. | 12:53 |
| MrPingu | Yeah | 12:54 |
| MrPingu | Thanks, vi_ | 12:54 |
| MrPingu | I got to go now, driving lesson | 12:55 |
| vi_ | GL! | 12:55 |
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| vi_ | apt-get remove osso-systemui-tklock | 13:43 |
| vi_ | reboot | 13:43 |
| vi_ | ... | 13:43 |
| vi_ | c'mon baby, dont you quit on me now! | 13:43 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: grats... | 13:46 |
| vi_ | chem|st: yo | 13:47 |
| chem|st | vi_: yo'bro | 13:47 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: and as a present you get a 1 month bann of estel! | 13:48 |
| vi_ | chem|st: wait, what? | 13:48 |
| * chem|st did not ban him btw | 13:48 | |
| vi_ | what has happened?? | 13:48 |
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| chem|st | started a second account and posted with it | 13:49 |
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| vi_ | chem|st: Holy shit, that is proper crazy behaviour. | 13:49 |
| chem|st | infraction points added up to ban period of 1 month | 13:49 |
| vi_ | was his first account banned at the time? | 13:49 |
| chem|st | he blames me as if I have personal interests in getting rid of him | 13:50 |
| chem|st | vi_: sure | 13:50 |
| vi_ | how did you identify his second account? Identical IPs? | 13:50 |
| chem|st | to make clear I did just want to have him cool down a bit I added only 2 infractions to ban him for 3 days only, with a warning that it could be worse | 13:51 |
| vi_ | chem|st: I have complete fait and respect for your actions as a TMO mod. | 13:51 |
| chem|st | Letsee backwards eesteL, + identical IPs | 13:51 |
| vi_ | are any of his posts still up? | 13:52 |
| chem|st | most of the time I look the other way when people start a flamewar... but having several people report him for the same post becomes a need to act | 13:52 |
| chem|st | vi_: no posts deleted | 13:52 |
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| vi_ | did you mean: | 13:54 |
| vi_ | no, posts deleted | 13:54 |
| vi_ | or | 13:54 |
| vi_ | No! Posts deleted. | 13:54 |
| vi_ | no posts deleted. | 13:54 |
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| vi_ | apt-get remove osso-systemui-tklock <--utter fail | 14:00 |
| chem|st | vi_: as I wrote it... to elaborate "no post got deleted" | 14:01 |
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| vi_ | lockscreen no longer works. | 14:01 |
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| vi_ | and softpoweroff does not ignore touchscreen inputs. | 14:08 |
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| MrPingu | vi_ are you dissecting your maemosoftware? | 14:32 |
| vi_ | no. | 14:36 |
| vi_ | I *just* want a way to lock/unlock the n900 with just the powerbutton. | 14:36 |
| vi_ | No swipe the screen to unlock horse shit. | 14:36 |
| vi_ | jonwil: I SUMMON THEE. | 14:36 |
| vi_ | It would seem lockscreen is osso-systemui-tklock. | 14:37 |
| vi_ | Except it is closed source. | 14:37 |
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| vi_ | If there was just some way to hack it so it would *just* be a screen lock. | 14:38 |
| vi_ | with no lockscreen. | 14:38 |
| vi_ | Honestly, the lockscreen is a huge waste of time and space. | 14:38 |
| vi_ | DOuble press power to lock. | 14:38 |
| vi_ | double press power to unlock. | 14:38 |
| vi_ | Is that so hard? | 14:38 |
| jonwil | I never did figure out exactly how it works :( | 14:41 |
| vi_ | Wow, it worked! | 14:42 |
| vi_ | That is a shame jonwil, at least you tried. | 14:42 |
| vi_ | Thank you. | 14:42 |
| jonwil | I figured out enough that someone who knows more about maemo progamming could probably write something new | 14:44 |
| jonwil | but thats about it | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | vi_: I just never lock it, but use the lock switch on the side to unlock | 14:46 |
| vi_ | SpeedEvil: You newver lock it? | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 14:46 |
| vi_ | How do you stop the contents of your pocket messing your desktop up? | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I never see the lock screen | 14:46 |
| vi_ | aaah yes. | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I always lock it with the awitx on the side | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | switch | 14:47 |
| vi_ | But I want to be able to unlock it by the power button. | 14:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | fair enough | 14:47 |
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| vi_ | One handed operation you know. | 14:47 |
| vi_ | for when I am jerkin it and need to make a call. | 14:48 |
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| chem|st | woohoo http://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb | 14:58 |
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| chem|st | lardman: you had an ARGZ error while compiling libchamplain... how did you get rid of it | 15:05 |
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| merlin1991 | hm they made REALLY sure that this deb only runs on ubuntu | 15:07 |
| merlin1991 | the depdns are evil | 15:07 |
| chem|st | lardman: I try to compile modest for cssu stable... I did compile it successfully then I installed some python stuff then I reset the git folder and now I am stuck with aclocal: macro `gl_FUNC_ARGZ' required but not defined | 15:07 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: does it? | 15:07 |
| chem|st | did not trys to install yet | 15:07 |
| merlin1991 | multiarch-support (>= 2.15-0ubuntu10.2) and generally tons of >= depends | 15:08 |
| chem|st | wtf is multiarch-support ? | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | vi_: I find lock switch easier than power button | 15:10 |
| chem|st | ah I get it | 15:10 |
| jonwil | I suspect they are specifically targeting Ubuntu for now so their tech support is minimized | 15:10 |
| vi_ | SpeedEvil: with one hand? | 15:11 |
| chem|st | jonwil: means I need to get some ubuntu on a USB3 stick and get it booting on my usb3 hub | 15:11 |
| vi_ | merlin1991: I got excited till I saw the 'ubuntu only' thing. | 15:12 |
| chem|st | I'll try ramdisk instead | 15:12 |
| vi_ | Why not just make it for debian? | 15:12 |
| jonwil | I do wonder how they have done the DRM on the Linux version | 15:12 |
| jonwil | and how they prevent someone with e.g. a nice copy of GDB stripping the protection | 15:12 |
| vi_ | jonwil: I don't know, but you are probably the man to 'fix' it. | 15:13 |
| jonwil | I dont care about Steam or Steam games though | 15:14 |
| jonwil | Never had any interest in playing any of the Valve games | 15:14 |
| vi_ | ... | 15:14 |
| vi_ | not even half life 2? | 15:14 |
| jonwil | nope | 15:14 |
| Pali | you can check in your process if you are being debugged | 15:14 |
| vi_ | but | 15:15 |
| vi_ | but | 15:15 |
| vi_ | HL2 | 15:15 |
| jonwil | There are solutions to that, especially if you can make whatever kernel and libc changes you like | 15:15 |
| Pali | yes, of cource | 15:15 |
| Pali | but this know only few people | 15:16 |
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| jonwil | Linux guys are smarter than most | 15:21 |
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| deepy\SIGSEGV | That statement in itself is based on false assumptions | 15:31 |
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| lardman | chem|st: pong | 15:50 |
| lardman | chem|st: re champlain was a long time ago, can you give me some more background on your error and I can see if I've still got the build directory scudding around somewhere | 15:52 |
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| dfaure | what's the name of the executable for the image viewer on the N9 ? | 16:58 |
| dfaure | ah, mediaviewer works | 16:58 |
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| chem|st | lardman: I run in to a missing ARGZ.m4 as libtools is outdated | 17:10 |
| chem|st | I have no clue | 17:10 |
| chem|st | it is mystic behaviour of build env to build something just fine and the next second you have an error | 17:10 |
| chem|st | Running aclocal-1.8... | 17:12 |
| chem|st | aclocal: macro `gl_FUNC_ARGZ' required but not defined | 17:12 |
| chem|st | make: *** [configure-stamp] Error 1 | 17:12 |
| chem|st | last 3 automake lines | 17:12 |
| lardman | hmm, and you say I had this problem? | 17:12 |
| lardman | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-11-04.log.html ah, so I did | 17:13 |
| chem|st | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-11-04.log.html | 17:13 |
| lardman | :) | 17:13 |
| chem|st | :) | 17:13 |
| lardman | is my package still in the repo? | 17:14 |
| lardman | or is this where you're grabbing it from? | 17:14 |
| chem|st | the thing is I did not recognize anything wierd from dependencies which got pulled in with python-dev so I proceeded, now I do not know what was pulled in anymore and have no idea how to find out to uninstall or reinstall something/anything etc... lost | 17:14 |
| chem|st | lardman: I'm not trying to compile yours... I try to compile modest | 17:15 |
| lardman | oh I see | 17:15 |
| chem|st | it is a libtool or automake issue afaik | 17:15 |
| lardman | yeah and apparently something that doens't happen with a clean build | 17:15 |
| chem|st | we ran into intltool issues earlier | 17:16 |
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| chem|st | there was a pointer for a directory wrong as versions of automake got mixed | 17:16 |
| chem|st | installing them in the right order did fix that | 17:17 |
| chem|st | took me quiet a while to find that out | 17:17 |
| lardman | I'm afraid I have no idea, it was a long time ago, best bet is probably to see whether I did any trickery in the debian/rules that was uploaded with the package in order to make it build | 17:18 |
| chem|st | not the missing dir link but the right procedure of installing automake versions | 17:18 |
| chem|st | ehrm it is still in configuration steps | 17:19 |
| lardman | that's handled by debian/rules too | 17:19 |
| lardman | unless the package I uploaded could really only be built once | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (([2012-11-07 12:46:13] <chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: grats...)) thanks | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on what particularly though? | 18:48 |
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| freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1291506&postcount=252 | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | LOL | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: and as a present you get a 1 month bann of estel!)) sounds fine to me, but I'm not sure I can accept that present. Maybe better donate it to community | 18:49 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: cherry? | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | I was wondering how Pali earned the money for all n900s he has, now it is clear :D:D:D | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | vi_: maybe | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually, do we have not-my-nokia cherry killer 'bugfix' in CSSU? Shouldn't we? | 18:52 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: It is too late by then. | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really | 18:53 |
| vi_ | By the time a user has gotten to cssu they *probably* have already used gsm. | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | well, I haven't heard af any recent harm done by cherry. Neither we have a bug report for that | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure too late for past SMS, but not too late to nuke the shite off the system, so it doesn't get activated again by accident | 18:53 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: very good point. | 18:53 |
| vi_ | WTF were they thinking? | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | I wonder, why not everybody got those problems. I swear I was asked to enable it and I dissmised the dialog by tapping outside it | 18:54 |
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| vi_ | freemangordon: orly? | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | end AFAIK no messages sent here | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | yep | 18:54 |
| vi_ | AFAIU it fired up automatically the first time you connected to a gsm network and the 'firstboot' flag was set. | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | plus we *could* add a recommendation to remove SIM before flashing any new clean system, and only inserting it again after updating to CSSU | 18:55 |
| freemangordon | well, not exactly "enable", but you know that big dialog with EULA or whatever | 18:55 |
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| freemangordon | But deffinitely, I was asked. Don;t ask me for the details, it was 2 years ago :D | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the nasty detail: this kicks in again whenever you delete the cherry flag file | 18:57 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Ideally, a cssu ready pre-rolled firmware with all the shit taken out. | 18:57 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: does that happen on "factory reset"? | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 18:59 |
| vi_ | A really freaky thing I have never gotten to the bottom of is /usr/share/sounds | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never used or looked into 'factory reset' | 18:59 |
| vi_ | it is ~9mb on rootfs. | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure it kicks in on flashing eMMC | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, wait | 19:00 |
| vi_ | even if you move it to /opt and symlink it back. | 19:00 |
| vi_ | It comes back after boot. | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is that cherry thing on /home or somewhere in /etc? | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | vi_: whaat? | 19:00 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: home I believe. | 19:00 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: fo reals. | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: check auto-optify config, might get de-optified | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: disagree, I flashed eMMC a couple of months ago. AFAIk there were no SMSes | 19:01 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: Do you still have cherry installed? | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | don;t see a reason I don;t have it | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | *why | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | lemmme check | 19:02 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: because it is a massive pile of shit seems like a good reason not to have it. | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 19:03 |
| infobot | it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | ii cherry 0.25-1+0m5 Cherry for MyNokia | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | # kill that cherry PITA, before it sends SMS -- STILL ACTUAL! | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | # see http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | touch /home/user/.cherry_state | 19:03 |
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| vi_ | apt-get purge cherry | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 19:04 |
| vi_ | it uninstalls cleanly. | 19:04 |
| vi_ | They got that bit right | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really? not in MP? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh! | 19:04 |
| vi_ | as far as I recall | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | hmm, no /home/user/.cherry_state here | 19:05 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/mp-fremantle-generic-pr/10.2010.19-1/ has no cherry anywhere | 19:05 |
| vi_ | gtg | 19:06 |
| vi_ | :q | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr|grep cherry ->NULL; indeed it's no dependency | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy cherry | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cherry: | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: (none) | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Candidate: 0.25-1+0m5 | 19:08 |
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| freemangordon | that is really weird | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | though iirc chery_state is in /etc | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I once had not-my-nokia installed | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-07 18:03:40] <DocScrutinizer05> touch /home/user/.cherry_state | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy notmynokia | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | notmynokia: | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: 1.0+maemo-1 | 19:10 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: meh, removing cherry is cleaner | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | I don't have .cherry_state | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | this is really werid | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | hmm, maybe it also checks for first boot | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I guess removing cherry is all that's done by notmynokia | 19:19 |
| kerio | iirc no | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (plus the settings plugin of course) | 19:19 |
| kerio | it just touches .cherry_state every boot | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsckng insane | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, sorry for that. Not insane, just a poor approach | 19:20 |
| kerio | maybe some earlier -pr had cherry as a dependency | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not radical enough for such a huge POS | 19:20 |
| kerio | so you couldn't remove it without botching OS updates from HAM | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible | 19:21 |
| kerio | the -generic-pr doesn't, btw | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could however mess up stuff via postinstall scripts ;-) | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache show mp-fremantle-generic-pr|grep cherry -> screensfull of crap | 19:23 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: btw, is bme sigstoppable without too many issues? | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 19:25 |
| kerio | hm | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | will cause reboot | 19:25 |
| kerio | why? | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in 60'ish seconds | 19:25 |
| kerio | how does dsme check if bme is supposed to be running or not? | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | timeout of some keep-alive stuff | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the bme devels took special care to ensure bme is up and running, since we see what might happen if it ever fails, on N8x0/diablo | 19:27 |
| kerio | apparently /tmp/bme.was.stopped or something | 19:27 |
| kerio | oh no, nvm | 19:27 |
| kerio | it's a thing in post-stop from upstart maybe | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: why are HD apps sometimes closing after 120s? It's some keep-alive stuff | 19:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bme probably talking to dsme via IPC | 19:28 |
| kerio | meh | 19:29 |
| kerio | wtf is dsme anyway? | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | device status management entity or sth | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | basically it first and foremost does start and survey/monitor processes | 19:29 |
| kerio | hm, what does bme_RX-51 -b do? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: dsmetool --help | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -b, --boottest Test battery and pre-charge | 19:31 |
| kerio | i see | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | some nonsense cruft, for bq24150 | 19:31 |
| kerio | is it needed? | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not for battery or bq24150, yes for scripts | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it fails, I guess you get that "red indicator failure" issue, which means your battery is totally broken | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess ^^^ | 19:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bq24150 doeswn't need any such stuff, nor does the battery in general | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather: bq24150 does that opaque and invisible, automatically | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so probably it's another heritage cruft from former OS versions | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | diablo and before, when bme was the only entity to ensure your battery wouldn't explode | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (N810 charging being completely software controlled, down to pulse width genereation of charger switch transistor, so to say) | 19:35 |
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| kerio | hahaha what | 19:36 |
| kerio | awesome | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not you see why Nokia been so extremely reluctant and over-anxious regarding anything bme realted. Their sw department simply missed the news that N900 charging got fundamentally sanitized and bme basically no longer needed | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/not/now/ | 19:42 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: now you see why Nokia been so extremely reluctant and over-anxious regarding anything bme realted. Their sw department simply missed the news that N900 charging got fundamentally sanitized and bme basically no longer needed | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even stskeeps took >one yera to accept that info for true | 19:43 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what's the worse you can do from the software side? | 19:45 |
| kerio | thrash the battery a bit too much? | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (([2012-11-07 17:54:23] <freemangordon> I wonder, why not everybody got those problems.)) I guess most users not even noticed. Mind you, the SMS got hidden from rt-eventlog db, so never shows up in "sent messages" | 19:46 |
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| kerio | Pali: without "bme 1.0" your notifier can't figure out the battery is done charging | 19:48 |
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| kerio | and then i guess that it got confused and i had to reboot to make the applet work properly | 19:48 |
| Pali | kerio, what? | 19:49 |
| Pali | please write what did you do | 19:49 |
| Pali | and where is problem | 19:49 |
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| vi__ | MrPingu: have you used scratchbox? | 21:39 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: ping | 21:39 |
| MrPingu | Yes, I have | 21:39 |
| vi__ | so I am currently set to x86 target | 21:40 |
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| vi__ | how do I download source code from the debian repos for example? | 21:42 |
| vi__ | for a simple example, lets consider gnu fortune. | 21:42 |
| vi__ | A very simple terminal program. | 21:42 |
| MrPingu | I use webinterface of debian | 21:42 |
| vi__ | Do I just wget the source package? | 21:42 |
| MrPingu | Yeah | 21:43 |
| MrPingu | for ngrep and tcpdump I made, I just downloaded tarball from original site | 21:43 |
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| Pali | vi__: packages.debian.org | 21:43 |
| MrPingu | what pali says | 21:44 |
| Pali | find package, click on source and download what you want :-) | 21:44 |
| vi__ | ok, that is the 'official' best way to do it? | 21:45 |
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| MrPingu | To change target go into sb-menu | 21:45 |
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| MrPingu | select target ;) | 21:45 |
| vi__ | sb-menu? | 21:45 |
| vi__ | oh wow! | 21:45 |
| vi__ | sb-menu! | 21:46 |
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| MrPingu | just issue sb-menu inside scratchbox | 21:46 |
| MrPingu | Someone interested in testing hamster and ferret? (sidejacking tools) | 21:47 |
| vi__ | You are trying to set yourself up as a middleman to skim some euros off the top?[...] | 21:47 |
| vi__ | that's the way you would do it i know, i know... | 21:47 |
| vi__ | what a total fuck | 21:47 |
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| vi__ | Pali: I cannot seem to find source packages on that address pali | 21:52 |
| vi__ | .dsc is a debian source package? | 21:52 |
| MrPingu | Yep | 21:52 |
| vi__ | what do I do with it? | 21:53 |
| MrPingu | Look into it ;) | 21:53 |
| vi__ | do I simply untar and make? | 21:53 |
| MrPingu | It's just a tar | 21:53 |
| vi__ | or is there a debian specific way of dealing with it? | 21:53 |
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| MrPingu | Yes, there is and I still need to look into that | 21:54 |
| MrPingu | because I just compiled from source and made a deb with dpkg-deb -b | 21:55 |
| MrPingu | that isn't the right way :P | 21:55 |
| MrPingu | It works good, though | 21:56 |
| Pali | you need to download .dsc and .tar file (+diff if available) | 21:56 |
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| Pali | then do: dpkg-source -x file.dsc | 21:56 |
| Pali | go to unpacked directory | 21:56 |
| Pali | and call: dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot | 21:56 |
| vi__ | AFAIK I am supposed to used apt-get source <package-name> | 21:57 |
| vi__ | however that returns nothing I want. | 21:57 |
| vi__ | I asssume this is because I need to add debian source repos to ap sources.list | 21:57 |
| vi__ | is this correct? | 21:57 |
| MrPingu | I just download them manually but that could do the job too, I guess? | 21:58 |
| Pali | do not add any other repositories to sources.lists | 21:58 |
| Pali | download files from packages.debian.org and do above commands ^^^ | 21:58 |
| Pali | dpkg-source -x file.dsc will unpack dsc+tar+diff file | 21:59 |
| vi__ | so I have to manually get the package and ALL the dependencies? | 21:59 |
| Pali | yes | 21:59 |
| vi__ | lame | 21:59 |
| Pali | there is no other way | 21:59 |
| MrPingu | Pali: Thanks, I will try to get ngrep + updated libpcap + updated tcpdump in repos asap | 21:59 |
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| vi__ | MrPingu: nice one. | 22:00 |
| vi__ | Shoot for the moon, do nmap as well! | 22:00 |
| vi__ | Pali: where does optification come in? | 22:00 |
| Pali | btw, there is http://maemo.org/packages/view/libpcap-dev/ | 22:01 |
| Pali | vi__, create file debian/optify and write here auto | 22:01 |
| Pali | echo auto > debian/optify | 22:01 |
| Pali | garage autobuilder then optify package | 22:01 |
| MrPingu | really, I just symlinked everyfile in postinstall manually ;o | 22:01 |
| Pali | do not need this | 22:02 |
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| Pali | and this is bad | 22:02 |
| Pali | to do it in postinst | 22:02 |
| Pali | because you do not have to have space for unpack to rootfs!! | 22:02 |
| Pali | better do: echo auto > debian/optify | 22:02 |
| MrPingu | Pali, I did place the binary in opt | 22:03 |
| Pali | ok | 22:03 |
| MrPingu | but symlink is created in postinst | 22:03 |
| Pali | why?? | 22:03 |
| Pali | just add symlink to deb package | 22:03 |
| MrPingu | because, it's my first package ever | 22:04 |
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| MrPingu | I will try to get the "proper" version in the repos | 22:04 |
| MrPingu | with proper I mean, your way of packaging :) | 22:05 |
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| Pali | edit debian/links | 22:05 |
| Pali | and add here: | 22:05 |
| Pali | opt/real_binary usr/bin/symlinked_binary | 22:05 |
| Pali | MrPingu ^^^ | 22:05 |
| MrPingu | :D | 22:06 |
| Pali | and uncommnet dh_link in debian/rules (if is commented) | 22:07 |
| vi__ | Pali: this is some good tips pali! thank you. | 22:07 |
| vi__ | I am going to compile program 'pi' | 22:07 |
| vi__ | it calculates pi. | 22:08 |
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| hatseflats | hey everyone | 22:08 |
| MrPingu | Start simple :) | 22:08 |
| MrPingu | Hi hatseflats | 22:08 |
| vi__ | I will try to do it with both thumb2 and armel. | 22:08 |
| vi__ | yo dawg. | 22:08 |
| vi__ | and compare the performance of both. | 22:08 |
| hatseflats | I've got a longtime issue with my n810, I blamed the battery, but now I think it might be the device itself | 22:09 |
| kerio | vi__: printf("π\n"); | 22:09 |
| kerio | DONE | 22:09 |
| vi__ | if there is no performance difference (due to lack of neon optimisation) I will use some elf thingy to see that it works. | 22:09 |
| MrPingu | vi__: I will come back in an hour, I see 3 new apps in the repos, deal? | 22:09 |
| vi__ | kerio: you are pr0 l33t pr0gram3r. | 22:09 |
| hatseflats | basically, I can't turn it 'on' without the powercord in, and when it is, it goes into a continuous reset cycle, the nokia logo will show up, stick around for a second or two, it'll shut off, and start all over again | 22:09 |
| kerio | hatseflats: reflash it | 22:10 |
| vi__ | hatseflats: I have never had an n8x0. | 22:10 |
| vi__ | However I would be inclined to reflash! | 22:10 |
| hatseflats | kerio: that's nice, but you can't reflash if it doesn't even allow you to get into debug mode | 22:10 |
| kerio | dafuq | 22:10 |
| kerio | you can brick a n8x0? | 22:11 |
| hatseflats | I guess I can | 22:11 |
| hatseflats | but I'm not sure I bricked it, or just blew 4 batteries | 22:11 |
| MrPingu | vi__: you need to manually pass thumb2 to compiler | 22:11 |
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| MrPingu | Don't ask me how, as I didn't do it myself yet :P | 22:12 |
| kerio | -mthumb -mtune=cortex-a8 | 22:12 |
| kerio | or something | 22:12 |
| kerio | freemangordon: do you also use -mtune? | 22:12 |
| freemangordon | no, i usually use -mcpu | 22:13 |
| kerio | oh, mcpu is stricter | 22:13 |
| freemangordon | when I use anything at all | 22:13 |
| freemangordon | :) | 22:13 |
| kerio | we need moar performance! :( | 22:14 |
| freemangordon | I don;t think -mcpu makes any difference on n900 | 22:14 |
| kerio | why not? it's a cortex a8 | 22:14 |
| kerio | it's written on the underside of the monitor! | 22:14 |
| freemangordon | monitor? | 22:14 |
| freemangordon | what device do you have? | 22:14 |
| kerio | screen, or whatever | 22:14 |
| freemangordon | :P | 22:14 |
| MrPingu | Haha | 22:14 |
| kerio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_monitor | 22:15 |
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| hatseflats | hmm, seems like it's a known failure, bootlooping | 22:15 |
| hatseflats | caused by reflashing on low battery... | 22:15 |
| freemangordon | kerio: my point is that it makes no difference if you compile with or without -mcpu=cortex-a8 | 22:15 |
| kerio | really? :o | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | at least for arm/thumb2 only code | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | at least that is what i have seen | 22:16 |
| kerio | freemangordon: btw, are you sure you're enabling both neon and vfpv3? | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | neon implies vfp afaik | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | and armv7-a implies vfpv3 if only -mfpu=vfp is passed | 22:18 |
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| freemangordon | might be wrong as well | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | but there are not so much programs using FP | 22:18 |
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| kerio | ohai iDont | 22:19 |
| kerio | sup | 22:19 |
| iDont | hi kerio | 22:20 |
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| iDont | good, received two patches to introduce Diablo support in busybox-power :) | 22:20 |
| iDont | and how are you? | 22:20 |
| hatseflats | stupid nokia -_- why design a device that simply can't charge without an bootable OS | 22:20 |
| kerio | all good | 22:20 |
| iDont | great :) | 22:20 |
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| kerio | hatseflats: dude, the n8x0 can be flashed and/or boot without a battery anyway | 22:21 |
| kerio | and (i discovered this just today) charging is quite the big deal on the n8x0 | 22:21 |
| hatseflats | the resources on the web say otherwise, how does that work? | 22:21 |
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| kerio | iDont: i've seen the latest bb-p for fremantle - i have to say, i don't really like the divert to rootfs | 22:21 |
| kerio | iDont: can't you just divert and rename to /opt/busybox-power? | 22:22 |
| hatseflats | I *can* get my hands on a standalone charger for these batteries for about 20 bucks, that's really my last resort | 22:22 |
| kerio | hatseflats: i don't have a n8x0, so i can't really help you - i'm only repeating what i heard | 22:22 |
| timmy | im going to flash my n900 but im facing this message: USB device found found at bus 001, device address 012. | 22:22 |
| timmy | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy | 22:22 |
| inz | Damn, ownCloud on N810 is quite slow. | 22:22 |
| kerio | but there's a magic ritual that can be used to summon an ancient demon that can help you | 22:23 |
| kerio | -ahem- | 22:23 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: *poke* | 22:23 |
| hatseflats | inz: pretty much anything is slow on the n810 | 22:23 |
| iDont | kerio, rationale is that /opt is on a different partition, which *might* not be available at some point (although that's pretty unlikely in Maemo, since you won't be able to boot then) | 22:23 |
| kerio | iDont: apt is running, that means that the system is kinda booted | 22:24 |
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| kerio | at least, it means that opt is mounted | 22:24 |
| iDont | you've got a point there | 22:24 |
| inz | hatseflats, yeah, I just thought it would make a decent home web server, but seems I was wrong | 22:25 |
| inz | hatseflats, or then I'll need something not written in PHP =) | 22:25 |
| kerio | iDont: also, there's a way to specify a diversion for everyone except a specific package | 22:25 |
| hatseflats | that too :p | 22:25 |
| hatseflats | I mean, bare bones the hardware is pretty beefy for a mobile device of it's time | 22:25 |
| hatseflats | but hildon is like pushing a car up a hill | 22:25 |
| kerio | inz: rpi or dreamplug | 22:25 |
| iDont | kerio, what's wrong with the current diversion setup (except for the diversion location)? | 22:26 |
| kerio | iDont: which would be neat :) | 22:26 |
| iDont | I'm open to suggestions ;) | 22:26 |
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| kerio | it's a local diversion, those are usually done by the local admin | 22:27 |
| inz | kerio, sure, but don't have 'em lying around idle. | 22:27 |
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| hatseflats | inz: I do :p | 22:27 |
| kerio | inz: the sheevaplug is really neat | 22:28 |
| hatseflats | but somehow I want this n810 to work more than my rpi | 22:28 |
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| iDont | kerio, I'll look into it. Will I be able to let bb-power install /bin/busybox directly with a proper diversion? (disclaimer: I'm not too familiar with dpkg-divert, yet) | 22:29 |
| kerio | iDont: "dpkg-divert --rename --package busybox-power /bin/busybox" in preinst and then ship /bin/busybox | 22:30 |
| kerio | yep | 22:30 |
| kerio | at least, that's what i've gathered | 22:30 |
| kerio | gregoa: confirm? | 22:30 |
| kerio | iDont: actually, "dpkg-divert --rename --package busybox-power --divert /opt/busybox-power/busybox /bin/busybox" | 22:31 |
| gregoa | kerio: "grep dpkg-divert /var/lib/dpkg/info/*" on any debian (or ubuntu etc.) system :) | 22:31 |
| kerio | and then "dpkg-divert --rename --remove /bin/busybox" | 22:31 |
| gregoa | kerio: I also need to look up the syntax, and never remember the difference between local and package diversions | 22:31 |
| iDont | kerio, sounds great :). I'll test it out and commit the change if it works as expected | 22:31 |
| kerio | gregoa: oh, there's a way to specify diversions in the package itself? | 22:31 |
| iDont | heh, sounds like I'll have to read up some more on dpkg-divert | 22:32 |
| kerio | oh no, it's just preinst/postinst as i said | 22:32 |
| kerio | er, postrm | 22:32 |
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| iDont | ok | 22:33 |
| kerio | iDont: adobe-flashplayer-10-1 does it just like that | 22:33 |
| iDont | kerio, thanks, I'll use that package as a reference | 22:33 |
| gregoa | kerio: random example from my machine: https://paste.debian.net/207299/ | 22:35 |
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| kerio | gregoa: yeah, that's about what i was saying :) | 22:35 |
| gregoa | kerio: perfect :) | 22:37 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is the n8x0 reflashable without a charged battery? | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik it has pretty much same restrictions as N900 | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash | 22:49 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:49 |
| kerio | hatseflats: :( | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ precedes N900 | 22:50 |
| vi__ | just brute force the battery with some 4v. | 22:51 |
| kerio | hell no | 22:52 |
| kerio | don't fuck with batteries | 22:52 |
| vi__ | kerio: y? | 22:52 |
| vi__ | r u a chikin? | 22:52 |
| kerio | bcuz EXPLOOOOOOSIONS | 22:52 |
| vi__ | buk buk bukark. | 22:52 |
| vi__ | kerio: It is a li-ion battery, not a nitro glycerin bomb. | 22:53 |
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| vi__ | so I just typed dpkg-source -x ./cln_1.3.1-2.dsc | 22:58 |
| vi__ | dpkg-source -x ./cln_1.3.1-2.dsc | 22:58 |
| vi__ | dpkg-source -x ./cln_1.3.1-2.dsc | 22:58 |
| vi__ | dpkg-source -x ./cln_1.3.1-2.dsc | 22:58 |
| vi__ | So I just tyoed: dpkg-source -x ./cln_1.3.1-2.dsc | 22:58 |
| vi__ | and got: | 22:58 |
| vi__ | gpgv: keyblock resource `/home/paul/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error | 22:59 |
| vi__ | gpgv: Signature made Sun Dec 20 21:17:02 2009 GMT using DSA key ID F0199162 | 22:59 |
| vi__ | gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found | 22:59 |
| vi__ | dpkg-source: warning: failed to verify signature on ./cln_1.3.1-2.dsc | 22:59 |
| vi__ | dpkg-source: warning: Unknown checksum algorithm `sha256', ignoring | 22:59 |
| vi__ | dpkg-source: error: cannot fstat file ./cln_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz: No such file or directory | 22:59 |
| vi__ | excuse me while I derp. | 23:00 |
| kerio | vi__: the fuck dude | 23:00 |
| vi__ | excuse me. I have very little clue the fuck I am doing. | 23:01 |
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| vi__ | holy shit | 23:06 |
| vi__ | for a program that calculates pi, there is an imperial fuckton of code. | 23:06 |
| vi__ | all they need is pi=(22/7);print $pi | 23:06 |
| kerio | vi__: no u >:C | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | the compiler can optimize that to putc('3'); | 23:08 |
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| vi__ | what -o level should I use as standard? | 23:08 |
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| ShadowJK | gentoo ricers always roll -O6 | 23:09 |
| vi__ | ~gentoosmite ShadowJK | 23:09 |
| * infobot spends 5 days recompiling ShadowJK, and when it's all done, ShadowJK runs no faster than previously | 23:09 | |
| vi__ | ~gentoosmite ShadowJK | 23:10 |
| * infobot spends 5 days recompiling ShadowJK, and when it's all done, ShadowJK runs no faster than previously | 23:10 | |
| kerio | vi__: -O3 -funroll-loops -ftree-vectorize -mfpu=neon -mcpu=cortex-a8 | 23:10 |
| kerio | for BLAZING SPEEEEEEDS | 23:10 |
| kerio | or maybe not | 23:10 |
| kerio | because the neon vectorizer in gcc *sucks balls* | 23:10 |
| vi__ | ho maek it thumb pploz? | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | Every vectorizer does | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: stop scattering please! | 23:10 |
| vi__ | ~scattering | 23:11 |
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| vi__ | This is a term I am not familiar with. | 23:11 |
| kerio | vi__: start scatting instead | 23:11 |
| kerio | ski bi di bi di do bap do | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | Except the one in intel's compiler, it managed a 5% boost to an algorithm trivially sped up by 800% in 5 minutes by a asm coder | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think you need to repeat each and every of you posts 2, 3, or even 4 times | 23:12 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: ohoho | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: n8, pal | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: he's da scatmaaaan! | 23:14 |
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| vi__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpFL3Twojj0 | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2mRA03dWUI | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azomdixxX3c | 23:18 |
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| iDont | Did the files section at garage.maemo.org recently break? I can't seem to download any package from it (from any garage page) | 23:18 |
| vi__ | wtf am i watching | 23:20 |
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| vi__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ui_MVLPRS4&feature=related | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ski-Ba-Bop-Ba-Dop-Bop | 23:20 |
| iDont | hmm, the file release system does appear to have some issues atm: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1291583 | 23:21 |
| kerio | vi__: you're watching "rednex - cotton eye joe" | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess rotting creeping in meanwhile, otherwise how would they manage to get the whole infra down to its knees til end of December? | 23:22 |
| vi__ | now I am watching 'ketchup song' | 23:22 |
| kerio | haha | 23:22 |
| kerio | vi__: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama | 23:22 |
| kerio | much better | 23:22 |
| vi__ | so much shit music from 20 years ago. | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually 20 years ago there already was 99.x% of shit music - hard to find the 0.y% that was bearable by then | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to find good music you need to go back maybe 30 years | 23:24 |
| maybeArgh | i blame eurodance | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trivia about the scatman: he actually had a problem that he cured by singing | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's been his legend | 23:26 |
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| vi__ | yeah, and now he is dead. | 23:28 |
| vi__ | Obvious symptom of singing. | 23:28 |
| vi__ | what version of libc6 is in maemo5? | 23:29 |
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| vi__ | how would I check that in scratchbox? | 23:30 |
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| jacekowski | i've just found out that Fluke 289 runs linux | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | and it's just a meter | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | GPL violating? | 23:37 |
| jacekowski | yeah, looks like it | 23:37 |
| jacekowski | i can't find anything on fluke website | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | at least there is a likely hood of fixing | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | unless they are using vanila kernel which in which case they are probably ok to do it | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | err, no | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | you have to provide source | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | even if it's stock | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | are you aware of the GPL violations list? | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | but that would explain why that meter takes like 10s to start | 23:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | why do you think it does? | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | well some long time ago i've installed updating software for that meter | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | updated the meter and done nothing later | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ah, k | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | now i've found where did it install all the files | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | and i've found .hex so i've disassembled it just out of curiosity | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | but then there was couple other files | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | one of those was ELF file | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | GPL violations list is a good point to get advice | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | or yo can talk to fluke direct, of course | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | you should at least read the GPL, and understand their obligations first though | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | i want to double check that it is linux for sure | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | not something linux like | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | vxworks uses ELFs as well | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | grep for strings, look for ttys on boot | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | and in terms of API it's very similiar | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | i don't have kernel itself | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | i just have one excecutable | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | it looks like update process is not updating kernel | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | just two files, one that runs on secondary MSP processor that seems to do all the measuring and main ARM doing all display, graphing, logging | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:45 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm | 23:46 |
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| jacekowski | after looking more into it, it looks more like eCOS | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | which is GPL as well | 23:51 |
| vi__ | how do I set the code to compile as -mfpu=neon? | 23:53 |
| vi__ | is it passed as a parameter to configure or make? | 23:54 |
| kerio | it's a cflag | 23:54 |
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| vi__ | ls | 23:54 |
| vi__ | ... | 23:54 |
| vi__ | so | 23:54 |
| vi__ | But I do not directly invoke gcc. | 23:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | flags in make file | 23:56 |
| vi__ | so do I need to edit Makefile to set thos flags or can I pass them directly to make? | 23:57 |
| jon_y | depends on the makefile | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: that gpl violations list | 23:58 |
| vi__ | in the makefile there is a line CFLAGS = -g -O2 | 23:58 |
| jon_y | yes, add it there | 23:58 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: what's the deal with it exactly | 23:58 |
| vi__ | is the 'correct' way to do it by editing this file or by passing these parameters to something? | 23:58 |
| jon_y | is it autotools? | 23:59 |
| vi__ | I have NFC. | 23:59 |
| vi__ | I wget the source from debian source repo. | 23:59 |
| jon_y | did you run configure? | 23:59 |
| vi__ | type ./configure | 23:59 |
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