IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-11-07

RzRif items are beeing sold 1KEUR on ebay , there is a market00:00
RzRillegal one ...00:00
SpeedEvilyou can't get the parts thpug00:00
SpeedEvilthe above is relevant00:01
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SysaxedRiD, one guy was trying to sell me this for 100€
Sysaxedor maybe 110€, I don't remember00:02
RzRcheap if the key open NokiaHQ  of hidden treasure00:04
RiDis that a damaged touchscreen00:04
RiDit looks like he accidentally left the phone exposed to high levels of gamma rays00:04
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SpeedEvilattempted scratch removal?00:08
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RiDSpeedEvil he left some scratches... he should have removed the whole layer00:08
Sysaxedscratch removal with sandpaper??00:11
RiDi think he used the key00:18
RiDthat's on the picture...00:18
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Sysaxedbut look, it worked!00:20
Sysaxedno scratch!00:20
Sysaxedjust a worn out screen00:20
RiDoh well00:22
RiDi wonder how can people ruin the screen that way00:22
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jacekowskiSysaxed: you can remove scratches with sandpaper00:29
jacekowskiSysaxed: but it has to be correct grit00:29
jacekowskiand used correctly00:29
jacekowskiit's called polishing00:29
Sysaxedyea, I know00:29
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Sysaxedmaybe this guy thought this one is for polishing
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jacekowskiwell, depends00:31
jacekowskiit can be00:32
jacekowskiyou start with coarse one00:32
jacekowskiand then go up00:32
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RiDalso known as wearing out the screen00:36
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DocScrutinizer05((<RzR> gtk04 is pretty expensive)) errrrr, look at TI zoom-II, it's like 4 times the price of gta04, for basically same hw00:46
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rZrpretty expensive for the average joe...00:49
DocScrutinizer05((<Sysaxed> RiD, one guy was trying to sell me this for 100€ HEY, I think I know that device, screen, story. Seems it's been caused by some bodylotion or sth like that00:49
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Sysaxedwhat :D00:50
RiDHow would bodylotion end up there00:50
DocScrutinizer05the guy once came here and admitted there was some smeary substance on the screen00:50
Sysaxedwhy would somebody apply bodylotion to n900?00:51
SysaxedI know that I'm treating my n900 as a baby.. but bodylotion..00:51
DocScrutinizer05well, you could do a phonecall with some peeling on your face ;-P00:51
Sysaxedhaha :D00:51
Sysaxedwell, it does really look like a cheek00:52
Sysaxedbut still...00:52
RiDwell, ask C.S.I.00:52
RiDthey will find out everything using that photo00:52
DocScrutinizer05but you also could store the device e.g. in your car's trunk, and then have a leaking reserve gasoline tank in there00:53
DocScrutinizer05and that may easily wreck the plastic, and the smeary substance just been leaking separator silicone oil of digitizer00:54
DocScrutinizer05any pinhole punched into digitizer will already wreck it by leaking separator oil and thus shorting the planes00:55
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DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: I seriously doubt you can polish dents or scars out of a resistive digitizer foil00:59
SpeedEvilyou can remove scratches00:59
SpeedEvilsurface ones00:59
RiDmine is full of those00:59
RiDmostly caused by the pen i believe00:59
RiDthey're only visible in certain lights and positions, thankfully.00:59
SysaxedRiD, you're using your pen as a stylus too? :D01:00
MrPinguOr using your stylus as a pen?01:00
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RiDi mean stylus, not pen01:01
RiDi use the one that came with the phone01:01
RiDits full of 4mm long scratches :(01:01
RiDdrawing too much i guess01:01
* DocScrutinizer05 still ponders selling styli of pure stainless steel, copper, or silver01:02
Sysaxedwhen I'm on math lesson and using speedcrunch I can use my pen as a stylus :D01:02
SpeedEvilI remove scratches by replacing the protector :-)01:02
RiDuniversity, Sysaxed ?01:03
Sysaxednah, school01:03
RiDyou're under 1801:03
RiDIRC is a dangerous place01:03
DocScrutinizer05oooh, Sysaxed01:03
DocScrutinizer05you seen your mail?01:03
DocScrutinizer05memo rather01:03
RiDit's where hackers meet eachother. Think about two boats overseas....01:03
SysaxedRiD, I'm exactly 18, last form01:03
RiDso you failed one year01:04
Sysaxedthat's how it works in Estonia01:04
RiDwell, different school system then :p01:04
MrPinguIt's possible ;)01:04
DocScrutinizer05/msg memoserv help01:04
MrPinguHere if you follow the highest level of secondary school without delays, you can be 18 too01:04
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RiDnot here, unless my brain is failing on maths01:05
RiDI will however be 18 when it ends because I switched my course01:06
MrPinguYou are 12 when you go to secondary school, then we have 3 levels:01:06
MrPingu4, 5, and 6 years ;)01:06
DocScrutinizer05meh!! >> [2012-11-06 00:43:57] [Notice] -MemoServ- Sysaxed is not registered.01:07
DocScrutinizer05[2012-11-06 00:43:56] <-> memoserv> send Sysaxed mce.ini: # 2 - leave keypad interrupts on even after blanking \n #     (used to support pass-through of +/-)01:07
DocScrutinizer05you'll never again doubt my words, will you? X-P01:08
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, how can I get this file?01:09
Sysaxedor maybe you could just point me to the lines that were changed01:09
DocScrutinizer05cat /etc/mce/mce.ini01:09
SysaxedI've scrolled the whole mce.ini and haven't found anything that could affect keys when blanking01:09
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, yeah, but what should I change to make them work?01:09
DocScrutinizer05less +"/# 2 - leave " /etc/mce/mce.ini01:10
SysaxedI see it01:10
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DocScrutinizer05especially for you: #>  sed -i 's/DisableKPImmediately=1/DisableKPImmediately=2/' /etc/mce/mce.ini01:14
SysaxedI've done it already :D01:14
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Sysaxedit works01:17
Sysaxedsudo cat /dev/input/keypad01:17
Sysaxednow lock screen, press volume keys01:18
DocScrutinizer05NOW you'll never again doubt my words, will you? X-P01:18
Sysaxedafter you unlock you'll see some garbage - it works01:18
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, sorry, Mister!01:18
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Sysaxedyou were right :301:18
DocScrutinizer05toldya I did it01:18
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DocScrutinizer05couldn't think how it would fail for you then01:19
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SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, how can I map them now? There's a problem - they're controlling sound volume01:20
DocScrutinizer05yep, and they won't stop doing that01:21
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DocScrutinizer05you best chance is to check for uktrashort keypress01:21
Sysaxedor I can change the volume back :D01:22
Sysaxedhope it will be fast enough01:22
DocScrutinizer05OR: you cehck for + and - pressed concurrently01:22
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DocScrutinizer05afaik volume stops to change as soon as both are pressed01:22
DocScrutinizer05and you wouldn't lose volume control01:23
Sysaxedany suggestions on how to launch a script on a keypress? xbindkeys?01:23
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Sysaxednah, I'd google that01:23
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DocScrutinizer05OOOH, sorry. I suggested BS to you. N900 volume rocker doesn't mechanically alow to press + and - concurrently01:26
DocScrutinizer05so detect + followed immediately by - as one meta command, and - immedately followed by + as the other01:27
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DocScrutinizer05as soon as you see a + or - keypress, store current volume to a local variable. if during next 0.2s you detect another (opposite) keypress (like - after +) you start whatever script you defined for that meta command AND you keep resetting volume to what you stored to local variable (maybe +/- some offset to compensate for skew introduced until you imitially read out and stored the current volume)01:31
Sysaxedwtf is that internal error?
DocScrutinizer05not unseen01:32
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, yeah, that's clear01:32
DocScrutinizer05something fsckd up with wiki01:32
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internetishardanyone here in SF?01:34
internetishardtmobile has been having serious outages. Couldn't even call 911 if I tried.01:34
internetishardAnyone tried verison, at&t, etc (on n900, of course)?01:35
DocScrutinizer05err, couldn't if?01:35
internetishard(In SF)01:35
DocScrutinizer05who's telling you that you couldn't?01:35
internetishardmy cell phone01:35
internetishardzero connectivity01:35
internetishardfor hours01:35
DocScrutinizer05well, then maybe the network is down?01:35
internetishardIt has been. Everytime I call, "we can't control how quickly the engineers work.... etc"01:36
DocScrutinizer05911 overrides some 8 or 12 other calls on same time disk. So if the base station is crowded (think superbowl or sth), you might not be able to place a normal call, but 911 still works, tearing down 12 other calls to free a channel for your 911 call01:37
internetishardyes, it says "no cell connectivity" or wahtever01:38
internetishardthat's how bad the coverage has been01:38
DocScrutinizer05aboce applies to 2G / GSM only. Dunno what's situation on 3G / WCDMA01:38
internetisharddowntown SF01:38
internetishardno 3G or HSPA - it's said "2.5G" for a month at least01:38
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DocScrutinizer05internetishard: if you really wanna do a 911 call, you might be better off by removing your SIM.01:40
internetishardI didn't REALLY, I just wanted to prove how shit their service is01:41
DocScrutinizer05since then the modem is looking for *any* carrier to place the emergency call01:41
DocScrutinizer05it *might* do same still, for 911 calls, with SIM inserted01:41
internetishardAnyway, I'm more curious about other providers. I'm just not going to pay my bill and switch01:42
DocScrutinizer05your complaint about how shit their service kinda sounds like "look how bad that TV station. Since 3h they don't transmit anything, just snow and no signal on my screen, HELL they couldn't even send tsunami warnings, that's how down their transmitter is"01:44
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internetishardbecause of what you said, the tsunami warnings (911 on cells) get higher priority01:45
DocScrutinizer05it's however quite unusual when several base stations go down concurrently so you don't have *any* coverage01:45
internetishardgood PoC that it's DITW01:45
internetishardI walked a few blocks and finally got my measily 2G sign back an 1 or 2 bars01:46
DocScrutinizer05no, what I said applies to network overload only01:46
DocScrutinizer05not to "no signal" sitation01:46
DocScrutinizer05quite strange01:47
DocScrutinizer05especially taking into account the size of blocks I'd assume in SF01:48
internetishardThen I had to hear an earful about how the n900 isn't a "tmobile phone" on customer support01:48
DocScrutinizer05usual urban cell has a diameter of less than 250m01:48
internetishardI don't know how fast it should come back - it might have come back after just one block if I had waited... After exiting an elevator it usually takes about 60s to get a bar again.01:48
DocScrutinizer05your SIM might be defect01:49
DocScrutinizer05since modem stores servicing cell and list of neighbour cells on SIM, to check those first after connectivity ditch01:50
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internetishardYeah, I'm going to get a new SIM before I switch to a provider since the down time of having a phone number transfered to another provider is probably even worse.01:50
DocScrutinizer05internetishard: btw never tell hotline what phone you're using. It doesn't matter for anything hotline could do sth about01:52
internetishardI always assumed that, but they're all like "no!... what is the IMEI number?!"01:53
DocScrutinizer05so if they ask you about your phone type, answer "it's one of those new black ones, with a huge screen. Sorry? Nah, I don't give a damn about the brand or name, I wouldn't even know where to look at to find out"01:53
internetishardthey claim they enter it and "it makes it work better"01:53
internetishardI don't know what they need to know in order to, for example, bump me up to HSPA. But I learned today that regardless of price you pay, Tmo will give you either 2G, 3G, or HSPA01:54
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internetishardWhich is confusing, because how does the tower decide which to provide to your phone?01:54
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DocScrutinizer05that's not entirely bullshit, they indeed *might* adjust stuff like audioequalization and echo cancelation to your particulr phone type.01:54
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internetishardWhat's your reason for not telling them which phone?01:55
DocScrutinizer05[2012-11-07 00:48:10] <internetishard> Then I had to hear an earful about how the n900 isn't a "tmobile phone" on customer support01:56
internetishardthe cell architecture was so much more straightforward in scandinavia. Go to store, pay $10, get HSPA speeds after poping in SIM & entering code.01:56
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DocScrutinizer05sure, same here. Actually in whole Europe I guess01:56
DocScrutinizer05USA is third world of telecommunication01:57
internetishardYeah, wasn't as nice in holland, though.01:57
internetishardI've worked a town away from mountain view, and we couldn't get cable - only two DSL lines01:57
internetishardnow I'm downtown SF and my comcast down speed is 6mbps01:57
internetishardand that's second to highest teir they'll provide01:58
internetishardThere are some indy ISPs that are cool, which do point to point microwave, but my apartment building is in bed with ATT and Comcast, and disallows it.01:58
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internetishardThen I get sad and drink alcohol.01:58
DocScrutinizer05ooh, alcohol01:59
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DocScrutinizer05good idea01:59
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RiDexpensive one01:59
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SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, so I've tried mapping F7 and F8 keys in xbindkeys to some command - doesn't work when the screen is locked02:01
andre__Hmm, says "Hook efCategoryTreeParserOutput failed to return a value"02:01
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, then where can I catch these events?02:02
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Sysaxedseems like reading /dev/input/keypad is the best solution02:06
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SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, ok, got my hands onto it02:56
Sysaxedit works, almost02:56
SysaxedI'll finish it tomorrow :302:56
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needhelphello! i need some help getting facebook to work03:34
needhelpi've updated libcurl303:34
needhelpand still nothing03:34
needhelpoh and i had to install all apps from the beginning, so might have missed something03:35
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gogasanhi! question: how can i access to value of brightness in nokia N900/maemo5?07:44
gogasansuch as 'cat /blah/blah/blah'07:44
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gogasanno ideas?.. ?(07:55
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Sicelocongrats to our new Council09:03
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Sicelotopic needs adjusting09:04
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MrPingumeh, xbindkeys not so batteryfriendly :(12:17
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vi_MrPingu: ...12:23
vi_MrPingu: yes it is.12:23
vi_MrPingu: what is the problem12:23
MrPinguIt's the 1st application listed in my powertop :(12:24
MrPinguand it's not getting in C4 state12:27
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MrPinguvi_: where did you get xbindkeys from? The package in the repos is empty12:29
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MrPinguMaybe my binary is faulty?12:32
MrPinguHard to believe but something has to cause my xbindkeys go crazy12:32
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vi_MrPingu: I got xbindkeys from an external source.12:33
vi_I cannot remember where.12:34
vi_ALthough if you just wget the debian wheezy armel package and use the binary from that I imagine it would work.12:34
vi_Or I could send you the binary?12:35
MrPinguI got it somewhere from TMO, but can't remember either12:35
vi_If it is going nuts, that could imply you have configured it incorrectly.12:35
vi_Also, is it a persistant problem or has it just happened this once?12:36
vi_Is there an xbindkeys in the repo?12:36
MrPinguextras-devel, but it's a 0byte package :P12:36
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MrPinguI believe it happened since I put a script to event.d for booting up xbindkeys automatically12:37
vi_MrPingu: Then that might be your problem.12:37
vi_I have xbindkeys running ALL the time with no issues.12:38
vi_I will wager that we have the same binary (found on tmo).12:38
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MrPinguexec su user -c /opt/xbindkeys/xbindkeys12:38
MrPinguThat's my script, anything wron with that line, then?12:38
MrPinguStarted and stopped on hildon-desktop12:39
vi_I do not know, I start it from /etc/X11/
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vi_xbindkeys -f /home/user/.xbindkeysrc12:40
vi_^which contains that12:40
Siceloalso check the logs for this channel. i seem to remember someone once had this very issue here before12:42
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MrPinguvi_: what are these numbers in that folder for?12:43
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MrPingusome kind of order?12:43
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MrPinguSicelo: thanks, found it12:50
vi_MrPingu: the numbers define the order that the scripts are excuted in.12:50
MrPinguFrom what I read there, event.d fsck something up12:51
vi_I have used 80 as this makes it one of the last things to be executed.12:51
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vi_I believe xbindkeys SHOULD be launched from xsession anyway.12:51
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vi_ideologicaly anyway.12:51
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MrPinguI just noticed, why are some files there not marked executable?12:53
MrPinguThanks, vi_12:54
MrPinguI got to go now, driving lesson12:55
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vi_apt-get remove osso-systemui-tklock13:43
vi_c'mon baby, dont you quit on me now!13:43
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chem|stDocScrutinizer51: grats...13:46
vi_chem|st: yo13:47
chem|stvi_: yo'bro13:47
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: and as a present you get a 1 month bann of estel!13:48
vi_chem|st: wait, what?13:48
* chem|st did not ban him btw13:48
vi_what has happened??13:48
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chem|ststarted a second account and posted with it13:49
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vi_chem|st: Holy shit, that is proper crazy behaviour.13:49
chem|stinfraction points added up to ban period of 1 month13:49
vi_was his first account banned at the time?13:49
chem|sthe blames me as if I have personal interests in getting rid of him13:50
chem|stvi_: sure13:50
vi_how did you identify his second account?  Identical IPs?13:50
chem|stto make clear I did just want to have him cool down a bit I added only 2 infractions to ban him for 3 days only, with a warning that it could be worse13:51
vi_chem|st: I have complete fait and respect for your actions as a TMO mod.13:51
chem|stLetsee backwards eesteL, + identical IPs13:51
vi_are any of his posts still up?13:52
chem|stmost of the time I look the other way when people start a flamewar... but having several people report him for the same post becomes a need to act13:52
chem|stvi_: no posts deleted13:52
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vi_did you mean:13:54
vi_no, posts deleted13:54
vi_No! Posts deleted.13:54
vi_no posts deleted.13:54
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vi_apt-get remove osso-systemui-tklock <--utter fail14:00
chem|stvi_: as I wrote it... to elaborate "no post got deleted"14:01
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vi_lockscreen no longer works.14:01
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vi_and softpoweroff does not ignore touchscreen inputs.14:08
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MrPinguvi_ are you dissecting your maemosoftware?14:32
vi_I *just* want a way to lock/unlock the n900 with just the powerbutton.14:36
vi_No swipe the screen to unlock horse shit.14:36
vi_jonwil: I SUMMON THEE.14:36
vi_It would seem lockscreen is osso-systemui-tklock.14:37
vi_Except it is closed source.14:37
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vi_If there was just some way to hack it so it would *just* be a screen lock.14:38
vi_with no lockscreen.14:38
vi_Honestly, the lockscreen is a huge waste of time and space.14:38
vi_DOuble press power to lock.14:38
vi_double press power to unlock.14:38
vi_Is that so hard?14:38
jonwilI never did figure out exactly how it works :(14:41
vi_Wow, it worked!14:42
vi_That is a shame jonwil, at least you tried.14:42
vi_Thank you.14:42
jonwilI figured out enough that someone who knows more about maemo progamming could probably write something new14:44
jonwilbut thats about it14:44
SpeedEvilvi_: I just never lock it, but use the lock switch on the side to unlock14:46
vi_SpeedEvil: You newver lock it?14:46
vi_How do you stop the contents of your pocket messing your desktop up?14:46
SpeedEvilI never see the lock screen14:46
vi_aaah yes.14:47
SpeedEvilI always lock it with the awitx on the side14:47
vi_But I want to be able to unlock it by the power button.14:47
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SpeedEvilfair enough14:47
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vi_One handed operation you know.14:47
vi_for when I am jerkin it and need to make a call.14:48
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chem|stlardman: you had an ARGZ error while compiling libchamplain... how did you get rid of it15:05
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merlin1991hm they made REALLY sure that this deb only runs on ubuntu15:07
merlin1991the depdns are evil15:07
chem|stlardman: I try to compile modest for cssu stable... I did compile it successfully then I installed some python stuff then I reset the git folder and now I am stuck with aclocal: macro `gl_FUNC_ARGZ' required but not defined15:07
chem|stmerlin1991: does it?15:07
chem|stdid not trys to install yet15:07
merlin1991multiarch-support (>= 2.15-0ubuntu10.2) and generally tons of >= depends15:08
chem|stwtf is multiarch-support ?15:08
SpeedEvilvi_: I find lock switch easier than power button15:10
chem|stah I get it15:10
jonwilI suspect they are specifically targeting Ubuntu for now so their tech support is minimized15:10
vi_SpeedEvil: with one hand?15:11
chem|stjonwil: means I need to get some ubuntu on a USB3 stick and get it booting on my usb3 hub15:11
vi_merlin1991: I got excited till I saw the 'ubuntu only' thing.15:12
chem|stI'll try ramdisk instead15:12
vi_Why not just make it for debian?15:12
jonwilI do wonder how they have done the DRM on the Linux version15:12
jonwiland how they prevent someone with e.g. a nice copy of GDB stripping the protection15:12
vi_jonwil: I don't know, but you are probably the man to 'fix' it.15:13
jonwilI dont care about Steam or Steam games though15:14
jonwilNever had any interest in playing any of the Valve games15:14
vi_not even half life 2?15:14
Paliyou can check in your process if you are being debugged15:14
jonwilThere are solutions to that, especially if you can make whatever kernel and libc changes you like15:15
Paliyes, of cource15:15
Palibut this know only few people15:16
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jonwilLinux guys are smarter than most15:21
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deepy\SIGSEGVThat statement in itself is based on false assumptions15:31
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lardmanchem|st: pong15:50
lardmanchem|st: re champlain was a long time ago, can you give me some more background on your error and I can see if I've still got the build directory scudding around somewhere15:52
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dfaurewhat's the name of the executable for the image viewer on the N9 ?16:58
dfaureah, mediaviewer works16:58
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chem|stlardman: I run in to a missing ARGZ.m4 as libtools is outdated17:10
chem|stI have no clue17:10
chem|stit is mystic behaviour of build env to build something just fine and the next second you have an error17:10
chem|stRunning aclocal-1.8...17:12
chem|staclocal: macro `gl_FUNC_ARGZ' required but not defined17:12
chem|stmake: *** [configure-stamp] Error 117:12
chem|stlast 3 automake lines17:12
lardmanhmm, and you say I had this problem?17:12
lardman ah, so I did17:13
lardmanis my package still in the repo?17:14
lardmanor is this where you're grabbing it from?17:14
chem|stthe thing is I did not recognize anything wierd from dependencies which got pulled in with python-dev so I proceeded, now I do not know what was pulled in anymore and have no idea how to find out to uninstall or reinstall something/anything etc... lost17:14
chem|stlardman: I'm not trying to compile yours... I try to compile modest17:15
lardmanoh I see17:15
chem|stit is a libtool or automake issue afaik17:15
lardmanyeah and apparently something that doens't happen with a clean build17:15
chem|stwe ran into intltool issues earlier17:16
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chem|stthere was a pointer for a directory wrong as versions of automake got mixed17:16
chem|stinstalling them in the right order did fix that17:17
chem|sttook me quiet a while to find that out17:17
lardmanI'm afraid I have no idea, it was a long time ago, best bet is probably to see whether I did any trickery in the debian/rules that was uploaded with the package in order to make it build17:18
chem|stnot the missing dir link but the right procedure of installing automake versions17:18
chem|stehrm it is still in configuration steps17:19
lardmanthat's handled by debian/rules too17:19
lardmanunless the package I uploaded could really only be built once17:19
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DocScrutinizer05(([2012-11-07 12:46:13] <chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: grats...)) thanks18:47
DocScrutinizer05on what particularly though?18:48
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DocScrutinizer05((<chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: and as a present you get a 1 month bann of estel!)) sounds fine to me, but I'm not sure I can accept that present. Maybe better donate it to community18:49
vi_freemangordon: cherry?18:50
freemangordonI was wondering how Pali earned the money for all n900s he has, now it is clear :D:D:D18:50
freemangordonvi_: maybe18:50
DocScrutinizer05actually, do we have not-my-nokia cherry killer 'bugfix' in CSSU? Shouldn't we?18:52
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vi_DocScrutinizer05: It is too late by then.18:52
DocScrutinizer05not really18:53
vi_By the time a user has gotten to cssu they *probably* have already used gsm.18:53
freemangordonwell, I haven't heard af any recent harm done by cherry. Neither we have a bug report for that18:53
DocScrutinizer05sure too late for past SMS, but not too late to nuke the shite off the system, so it doesn't get activated again by accident18:53
vi_DocScrutinizer05: very good point.18:53
vi_WTF were they thinking?18:54
freemangordonI wonder, why not everybody got those problems. I swear I was asked to enable it and I dissmised the dialog by tapping outside it18:54
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vi_freemangordon: orly?18:54
freemangordonend AFAIK no messages sent here18:54
vi_AFAIU it fired up automatically the first time you connected to a gsm network and the 'firstboot' flag was set.18:55
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DocScrutinizer05plus we *could* add a recommendation to remove SIM before flashing any new clean system, and only inserting it again after updating to CSSU18:55
freemangordonwell, not exactly "enable", but you know that big dialog with EULA or whatever18:55
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freemangordonBut deffinitely, I was asked. Don;t ask me for the details, it was 2 years ago :D18:56
DocScrutinizer05the nasty detail: this kicks in again whenever you delete the cherry flag file18:57
vi_DocScrutinizer05: Ideally, a cssu ready pre-rolled firmware with all the shit taken out.18:57
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: does that happen on "factory reset"?18:58
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vi_A really freaky thing I have never gotten to the bottom of is /usr/share/sounds18:59
DocScrutinizer05never used or looked into 'factory reset'18:59
vi_it is ~9mb on rootfs.18:59
DocScrutinizer05for sure it kicks in on flashing eMMC18:59
DocScrutinizer05err, wait19:00
vi_even if you move it to /opt and symlink it back.19:00
vi_It comes back after boot.19:00
DocScrutinizer05is that cherry thing on /home or somewhere in /etc?19:00
freemangordonvi_: whaat?19:00
vi_DocScrutinizer05: home I believe.19:00
vi_freemangordon: fo reals.19:00
DocScrutinizer05vi_: check auto-optify config, might get de-optified19:01
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: disagree, I flashed eMMC a couple of months ago. AFAIk there were no SMSes19:01
vi_freemangordon: Do you still have cherry installed?19:01
freemangordondon;t see a reason I don;t have it19:02
freemangordonlemmme check19:02
vi_freemangordon: because it is a massive pile of shit seems like a good reason not to have it.19:02
infobotit has been said that jrtools is
freemangordonii  cherry                                              0.25-1+0m5                                 Cherry for MyNokia19:03
DocScrutinizer05# kill that cherry PITA, before it sends SMS  --  STILL ACTUAL!19:03
DocScrutinizer05# see
DocScrutinizer05touch /home/user/.cherry_state19:03
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vi_apt-get purge cherry19:04
vi_it uninstalls cleanly.19:04
vi_They got that bit right19:04
DocScrutinizer05really? not in MP?19:04
vi_as far as I recall19:04
freemangordonhmm, no /home/user/.cherry_state here19:05
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: has no cherry anywhere19:05
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DocScrutinizer05apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr|grep cherry  ->NULL; indeed it's no dependency19:06
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache policy  cherry19:08
DocScrutinizer05  Installed: (none)19:08
DocScrutinizer05  Candidate: 0.25-1+0m519:08
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freemangordonthat is really weird19:08
freemangordonthough iirc chery_state is in /etc19:08
DocScrutinizer05I once had not-my-nokia installed19:08
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DocScrutinizer05[2012-11-07 18:03:40] <DocScrutinizer05> touch /home/user/.cherry_state19:09
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache policy notmynokia19:10
DocScrutinizer05  Installed: 1.0+maemo-119:10
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: meh, removing cherry is cleaner19:14
freemangordonI don't have .cherry_state19:15
freemangordonthis is really werid19:15
freemangordonhmm, maybe it also checks for first boot19:16
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: I guess removing cherry is all that's done by notmynokia19:19
kerioiirc no19:19
DocScrutinizer05(plus the settings plugin of course)19:19
kerioit just touches .cherry_state every boot19:20
DocScrutinizer05fsckng insane19:20
DocScrutinizer05well, sorry for that. Not insane, just a poor approach19:20
keriomaybe some earlier -pr had cherry as a dependency19:20
DocScrutinizer05not radical enough for such a huge POS19:20
kerioso you couldn't remove it without botching OS updates from HAM19:21
DocScrutinizer05quite possible19:21
keriothe -generic-pr doesn't, btw19:21
DocScrutinizer05you could however mess up stuff via postinstall scripts ;-)19:21
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DocScrutinizer05apt-cache show mp-fremantle-generic-pr|grep cherry  -> screensfull of crap19:23
kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, is bme sigstoppable without too many issues?19:25
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DocScrutinizer05will cause reboot19:25
DocScrutinizer05in 60'ish seconds19:25
keriohow does dsme check if bme is supposed to be running or not?19:25
DocScrutinizer05timeout of some keep-alive stuff19:25
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DocScrutinizer05I guess the bme devels took special care to ensure bme is up and running, since we see what might happen if it ever fails, on N8x0/diablo19:27
kerioapparently /tmp/bme.was.stopped or something19:27
keriooh no, nvm19:27
kerioit's a thing in post-stop from upstart maybe19:27
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: why are HD apps sometimes closing after 120s? It's some keep-alive stuff19:28
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DocScrutinizer05bme probably talking to dsme via IPC19:28
keriowtf is dsme anyway?19:29
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DocScrutinizer05device status management entity or sth19:29
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DocScrutinizer05basically it first and foremost does start and survey/monitor processes19:29
keriohm, what does bme_RX-51 -b do?19:30
DocScrutinizer05kerio: dsmetool --help19:30
DocScrutinizer05  -b, --boottest  Test battery and pre-charge19:31
kerioi see19:31
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DocScrutinizer05some nonsense cruft, for bq2415019:31
keriois it needed?19:31
DocScrutinizer05not for battery or bq24150, yes for scripts19:31
DocScrutinizer05if it fails, I guess you get that "red indicator failure" issue, which means your battery is totally broken19:32
DocScrutinizer05I guess ^^^19:32
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DocScrutinizer05bq24150 doeswn't need any such stuff, nor does the battery in general19:33
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DocScrutinizer05or rather: bq24150 does that opaque and invisible, automatically19:33
DocScrutinizer05so probably it's another heritage cruft from former OS versions19:34
DocScrutinizer05diablo and before, when bme was the only entity to ensure your battery wouldn't explode19:34
DocScrutinizer05(N810 charging being completely software controlled, down to pulse width genereation of charger switch transistor, so to say)19:35
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keriohahaha what19:36
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DocScrutinizer05not you see why Nokia been so extremely reluctant and over-anxious regarding anything bme realted. Their sw department simply missed the news that N900 charging got fundamentally sanitized and bme basically no longer needed19:42
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: now you see why Nokia been so extremely reluctant and over-anxious regarding anything bme realted. Their sw department simply missed the news that N900 charging got fundamentally sanitized and bme basically no longer needed19:42
DocScrutinizer05even stskeeps took >one yera to accept that info for true19:43
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DocScrutinizer05my typing sucks extraordinarily today19:43
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: what's the worse you can do from the software side?19:45
keriothrash the battery a bit too much?19:46
DocScrutinizer05(([2012-11-07 17:54:23] <freemangordon> I wonder, why not everybody got those problems.)) I guess most users not even noticed. Mind you, the SMS got hidden from rt-eventlog db, so never shows up in "sent messages"19:46
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kerioPali: without "bme 1.0" your notifier can't figure out the battery is done charging19:48
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kerioand then i guess that it got confused and i had to reboot to make the applet work properly19:48
Palikerio, what?19:49
Paliplease write what did you do19:49
Paliand where is problem19:49
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vi__MrPingu: have you used scratchbox?21:39
vi__freemangordon: ping21:39
MrPinguYes, I have21:39
vi__so I am currently set to x86 target21:40
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vi__how do I download source code from the debian repos for example?21:42
vi__for a simple example, lets consider gnu fortune.21:42
vi__A very simple terminal program.21:42
MrPinguI use webinterface of debian21:42
vi__Do I just wget the source package?21:42
MrPingufor ngrep and tcpdump I made, I just downloaded tarball from original site21:43
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Palivi__: packages.debian.org21:43
MrPinguwhat pali says21:44
Palifind package, click on source and download what you want :-)21:44
vi__ok, that is the 'official' best way to do it?21:45
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MrPinguTo change target go into sb-menu21:45
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MrPinguselect target ;)21:45
vi__oh wow!21:45
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MrPingujust issue sb-menu inside scratchbox21:46
MrPinguSomeone interested in testing hamster and ferret? (sidejacking tools)21:47
vi__    You are trying to set yourself up as a middleman to skim some euros off the top?[...]21:47
vi__that's the way you would do it i know, i know...21:47
vi__what a total fuck21:47
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vi__Pali: I cannot seem to find source packages on that address pali21:52
vi__.dsc is a debian source package?21:52
vi__what do I do with it?21:53
MrPinguLook into it ;)21:53
vi__do I simply untar and make?21:53
MrPinguIt's just a tar21:53
vi__or is there a debian specific way of dealing with it?21:53
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MrPinguYes, there is and I still need to look into that21:54
MrPingubecause I just compiled from source and made a deb with dpkg-deb -b21:55
MrPinguthat isn't the right way :P21:55
MrPinguIt works good, though21:56
Paliyou need to download .dsc and .tar file (+diff if available)21:56
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Palithen do: dpkg-source -x file.dsc21:56
Paligo to unpacked directory21:56
Paliand call: dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot21:56
vi__AFAIK I am supposed to used apt-get source <package-name>21:57
vi__however that returns nothing I want.21:57
vi__I asssume this is because I need to add debian source repos to ap sources.list21:57
vi__is this correct?21:57
MrPinguI just download them manually but that could do the job too, I guess?21:58
Palido not add any other repositories to sources.lists21:58
Palidownload files from and do above commands ^^^21:58
Palidpkg-source -x file.dsc will unpack dsc+tar+diff file21:59
vi__so I have to manually get the package and ALL the dependencies?21:59
Palithere is no other way21:59
MrPinguPali: Thanks, I will try to get ngrep + updated libpcap + updated tcpdump in repos asap21:59
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vi__MrPingu: nice one.22:00
vi__Shoot for the moon, do nmap as well!22:00
vi__Pali: where does optification come in?22:00
Palibtw, there is
Palivi__, create file debian/optify and write here auto22:01
Paliecho auto > debian/optify22:01
Paligarage autobuilder then optify package22:01
MrPingureally, I just symlinked everyfile in postinstall manually ;o22:01
Palido not need this22:02
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Paliand this is bad22:02
Palito do it in postinst22:02
Palibecause you do not have to have space for unpack to rootfs!!22:02
Palibetter do: echo auto > debian/optify22:02
MrPinguPali, I did place the binary in opt22:03
MrPingubut symlink is created in postinst22:03
Palijust add symlink to deb package22:03
MrPingubecause, it's my first package ever22:04
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MrPinguI will try to get the "proper" version in the repos22:04
MrPinguwith proper I mean, your way of packaging :)22:05
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Paliedit debian/links22:05
Paliand add here:22:05
Paliopt/real_binary usr/bin/symlinked_binary22:05
PaliMrPingu ^^^22:05
Paliand uncommnet dh_link in debian/rules (if is commented)22:07
vi__Pali: this is some good tips pali! thank you.22:07
vi__I am going to compile program 'pi'22:07
vi__it calculates pi.22:08
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hatseflatshey everyone22:08
MrPinguStart simple :)22:08
MrPinguHi hatseflats22:08
vi__I will try to do it with both thumb2 and armel.22:08
vi__yo dawg.22:08
vi__and compare the performance of both.22:08
hatseflatsI've got a longtime issue with my n810, I blamed the battery, but now I think it might be the device itself22:09
keriovi__: printf("π\n");22:09
vi__if there is no performance difference (due to lack of neon optimisation) I will use some elf thingy to see that it works.22:09
MrPinguvi__: I will come back in an hour, I see 3 new apps in the repos, deal?22:09
vi__kerio: you are pr0 l33t pr0gram3r.22:09
hatseflatsbasically, I can't turn it 'on' without the powercord in, and when it is, it goes into a continuous reset cycle, the nokia logo will show up, stick around for a second or two, it'll shut off, and start all over again22:09
keriohatseflats: reflash it22:10
vi__hatseflats: I have never had an n8x0.22:10
vi__However I would be inclined to reflash!22:10
hatseflatskerio: that's nice, but you can't reflash if it doesn't even allow you to get into debug mode22:10
kerioyou can brick a n8x0?22:11
hatseflatsI guess I can22:11
hatseflatsbut I'm not sure I bricked it, or just blew 4 batteries22:11
MrPinguvi__: you need to manually pass thumb2 to compiler22:11
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MrPinguDon't ask me how, as I didn't do it myself yet :P22:12
kerio-mthumb -mtune=cortex-a822:12
kerioor something22:12
keriofreemangordon: do you also use -mtune?22:12
freemangordonno, i usually use -mcpu22:13
keriooh, mcpu is stricter22:13
freemangordonwhen I use anything at all22:13
keriowe need moar performance! :(22:14
freemangordonI don;t think -mcpu makes any difference on n90022:14
keriowhy not? it's a cortex a822:14
kerioit's written on the underside of the monitor!22:14
freemangordonwhat device do you have?22:14
kerioscreen, or whatever22:14
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hatseflatshmm, seems like it's a known failure, bootlooping22:15
hatseflatscaused by reflashing on low battery...22:15
freemangordonkerio: my point is that it makes no difference if you compile with or without -mcpu=cortex-a822:15
kerioreally? :o22:16
freemangordonat least for arm/thumb2 only code22:16
freemangordonat least that is what i have seen22:16
keriofreemangordon: btw, are you sure you're enabling both neon and vfpv3?22:16
freemangordonneon implies vfp afaik22:17
freemangordonand armv7-a implies vfpv3 if only -mfpu=vfp is passed22:18
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freemangordonmight be wrong as well22:18
freemangordonbut there are not so much programs using FP22:18
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kerioohai iDont22:19
iDonthi kerio22:20
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iDontgood, received two patches to introduce Diablo support in busybox-power :)22:20
iDontand how are you?22:20
hatseflatsstupid nokia -_- why design a device that simply can't charge without an bootable OS22:20
kerioall good22:20
iDontgreat :)22:20
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keriohatseflats: dude, the n8x0 can be flashed and/or boot without a battery anyway22:21
kerioand (i discovered this just today) charging is quite the big deal on the n8x022:21
hatseflatsthe resources on the web say otherwise, how does that work?22:21
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kerioiDont: i've seen the latest bb-p for fremantle - i have to say, i don't really like the divert to rootfs22:21
kerioiDont: can't you just divert and rename to /opt/busybox-power?22:22
hatseflatsI *can* get my hands on a standalone charger for these batteries for about 20 bucks, that's really my last resort22:22
keriohatseflats: i don't have a n8x0, so i can't really help you - i'm only repeating what i heard22:22
timmyim going to flash my n900 but im facing this message: USB device found found at bus 001, device address 012.22:22
timmyError claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy22:22
inzDamn, ownCloud on N810 is quite slow.22:22
keriobut there's a magic ritual that can be used to summon an ancient demon that can help you22:23
kerioDocScrutinizer05: *poke*22:23
hatseflatsinz: pretty much anything is slow on the n81022:23
iDontkerio, rationale is that /opt is on a different partition, which *might* not be available at some point (although that's pretty unlikely in Maemo, since you won't be able to boot then)22:23
kerioiDont: apt is running, that means that the system is kinda booted22:24
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kerioat least, it means that opt is mounted22:24
iDontyou've got a point there22:24
inzhatseflats, yeah, I just thought it would make a decent home web server, but seems I was wrong22:25
inzhatseflats, or then I'll need something not written in PHP =)22:25
kerioiDont: also, there's a way to specify a diversion for everyone except a specific package22:25
hatseflatsthat too :p22:25
hatseflatsI mean, bare bones the hardware is pretty beefy for a mobile device of it's time22:25
hatseflatsbut hildon is like pushing a car up a hill22:25
kerioinz: rpi or dreamplug22:25
iDontkerio, what's wrong with the current diversion setup (except for the diversion location)?22:26
kerioiDont: which would be neat :)22:26
iDontI'm open to suggestions ;)22:26
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kerioit's a local diversion, those are usually done by the local admin22:27
inzkerio, sure, but don't have 'em lying around idle.22:27
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hatseflatsinz: I do :p22:27
kerioinz: the sheevaplug is really neat22:28
hatseflatsbut somehow I want this n810 to work more than my rpi22:28
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iDontkerio, I'll look into it. Will I be able to let bb-power install /bin/busybox directly with a proper diversion? (disclaimer: I'm not too familiar with dpkg-divert, yet)22:29
kerioiDont: "dpkg-divert --rename --package busybox-power /bin/busybox" in preinst and then ship /bin/busybox22:30
kerioat least, that's what i've gathered22:30
keriogregoa: confirm?22:30
kerioiDont: actually, "dpkg-divert --rename --package busybox-power --divert /opt/busybox-power/busybox /bin/busybox"22:31
gregoakerio: "grep dpkg-divert /var/lib/dpkg/info/*" on any debian (or ubuntu etc.) system :)22:31
kerioand then "dpkg-divert --rename --remove /bin/busybox"22:31
gregoakerio: I also need to look up the syntax, and never remember the difference between local and package diversions22:31
iDontkerio, sounds great :). I'll test it out and commit the change if it works as expected22:31
keriogregoa: oh, there's a way to specify diversions in the package itself?22:31
iDontheh, sounds like I'll have to read up some more on dpkg-divert22:32
keriooh no, it's just preinst/postinst as i said22:32
kerioer, postrm22:32
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kerioiDont: adobe-flashplayer-10-1 does it just like that22:33
iDontkerio, thanks, I'll use that package as a reference22:33
gregoakerio: random example from my machine:
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keriogregoa: yeah, that's about what i was saying :)22:35
gregoakerio: perfect :)22:37
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: is the n8x0 reflashable without a charged battery?22:45
DocScrutinizer05afaik it has pretty much same restrictions as N90022:49
infobotmethinks maemo-flashing is
keriohatseflats: :(22:49
DocScrutinizer05^^^ precedes N90022:50
vi__just brute force the battery with some 4v.22:51
keriohell no22:52
keriodon't fuck with batteries22:52
vi__kerio: y?22:52
vi__r u a chikin?22:52
keriobcuz EXPLOOOOOOSIONS22:52
vi__buk buk bukark.22:52
vi__kerio: It is a li-ion battery, not a nitro glycerin bomb.22:53
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vi__so I just typed dpkg-source -x ./cln_1.3.1-2.dsc22:58
vi__dpkg-source -x ./cln_1.3.1-2.dsc22:58
vi__dpkg-source -x ./cln_1.3.1-2.dsc22:58
vi__dpkg-source -x ./cln_1.3.1-2.dsc22:58
vi__So I just tyoed: dpkg-source -x ./cln_1.3.1-2.dsc22:58
vi__and got:22:58
vi__gpgv: keyblock resource `/home/paul/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error22:59
vi__gpgv: Signature made Sun Dec 20 21:17:02 2009 GMT using DSA key ID F019916222:59
vi__gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found22:59
vi__dpkg-source: warning: failed to verify signature on ./cln_1.3.1-2.dsc22:59
vi__dpkg-source: warning: Unknown checksum algorithm `sha256', ignoring22:59
vi__dpkg-source: error: cannot fstat file ./cln_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz: No such file or directory22:59
vi__excuse me while I derp.23:00
keriovi__: the fuck dude23:00
vi__excuse me.  I have very little clue the fuck I am doing.23:01
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vi__holy shit23:06
vi__for a program that calculates pi, there is an imperial fuckton of code.23:06
vi__all they need is pi=(22/7);print $pi23:06
keriovi__: no u >:C23:07
ShadowJKthe compiler can optimize that to putc('3');23:08
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vi__what -o level should I use as standard?23:08
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ShadowJKgentoo ricers always roll -O623:09
vi__~gentoosmite ShadowJK23:09
* infobot spends 5 days recompiling ShadowJK, and when it's all done, ShadowJK runs no faster than previously23:09
vi__~gentoosmite ShadowJK23:10
* infobot spends 5 days recompiling ShadowJK, and when it's all done, ShadowJK runs no faster than previously23:10
keriovi__: -O3 -funroll-loops -ftree-vectorize -mfpu=neon -mcpu=cortex-a823:10
kerioor maybe not23:10
keriobecause the neon vectorizer in gcc *sucks balls*23:10
vi__ho maek it thumb pploz?23:10
ShadowJKEvery vectorizer does23:10
DocScrutinizer05vi__: stop scattering please!23:10
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vi__This is a term I am not familiar with.23:11
keriovi__: start scatting instead23:11
kerioski bi di bi di do bap do23:12
ShadowJKExcept the one in intel's compiler, it managed a 5% boost to an algorithm trivially sped up by 800% in 5 minutes by a asm coder23:12
DocScrutinizer05I don't think you need to repeat each and every of you posts 2, 3, or even 4 times23:12
kerioShadowJK: ohoho23:12
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK:  n8, pal23:13
DocScrutinizer05kerio: he's da scatmaaaan!23:14
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iDontDid the files section at recently break? I can't seem to download any package from it (from any garage page)23:18
vi__wtf am i watching23:20
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iDonthmm, the file release system does appear to have some issues atm:
keriovi__: you're watching "rednex - cotton eye joe"23:21
DocScrutinizer05I guess rotting creeping in meanwhile, otherwise how would they manage to get the whole infra down to its knees til end of December?23:22
vi__now I am watching 'ketchup song'23:22
keriomuch better23:22
vi__so much shit music from 20 years ago.23:23
DocScrutinizer05actually 20 years ago there already was 99.x% of shit music - hard to find the 0.y% that was bearable by then23:24
DocScrutinizer05to find good music you need to go back maybe 30 years23:24
maybeArghi blame eurodance23:24
DocScrutinizer05trivia about the scatman: he actually had a problem that he cured by singing23:26
DocScrutinizer05at least that's been his legend23:26
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vi__yeah, and now he is dead.23:28
vi__Obvious symptom of singing.23:28
vi__what version of libc6 is in maemo5?23:29
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vi__how would I check that in scratchbox?23:30
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jacekowskii've just found out that Fluke 289 runs linux23:36
jacekowskiand it's just a meter23:36
SpeedEvilGPL violating?23:37
jacekowskiyeah, looks like it23:37
jacekowskii can't find anything on fluke website23:38
SpeedEvilat least there is a likely hood of fixing23:38
jacekowskiunless they are using vanila kernel which in which case they are probably ok to do it23:38
SpeedEvilerr, no23:38
SpeedEvilyou have to provide source23:38
SpeedEvileven if it's stock23:38
SpeedEvilare you aware of the GPL violations list?23:39
jacekowskibut that would explain why that meter takes like 10s to start23:39
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SpeedEvilwhy do you think it does?23:39
jacekowskiwell some long time ago i've installed updating software for that meter23:40
jacekowskiupdated the meter and done nothing later23:40
SpeedEvilah, k23:40
jacekowskinow i've found where did it install all the files23:40
jacekowskiand i've found .hex so i've disassembled it just out of curiosity23:40
jacekowskibut then there was couple other files23:40
jacekowskione of those was ELF file23:41
SpeedEvilGPL violations list is a good point to get advice23:41
SpeedEvilor yo can talk to fluke direct, of course23:41
SpeedEvilyou should at least read the GPL, and understand their obligations first though23:42
jacekowskii want to double check that it is linux for sure23:42
jacekowskinot something linux like23:42
jacekowskivxworks uses ELFs as well23:43
SpeedEvilgrep for strings, look for ttys on boot23:43
jacekowskiand in terms of API it's very similiar23:43
jacekowskii don't have kernel itself23:43
jacekowskii just have one excecutable23:44
jacekowskiit looks like update process is not updating kernel23:44
jacekowskijust two files, one that runs on secondary MSP processor that seems to do all the measuring and main ARM doing all display, graphing, logging23:44
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jacekowskiafter looking more into it, it looks more like eCOS23:51
jacekowskiwhich is GPL as well23:51
vi__how do I set the code to compile as -mfpu=neon?23:53
vi__is it passed as a parameter to configure or make?23:54
kerioit's a cflag23:54
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vi__But I do not directly invoke gcc.23:55
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SpeedEvilflags in make file23:56
vi__so do I need to edit Makefile to set thos flags or can I pass them directly to make?23:57
jon_ydepends on the makefile23:57
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: that gpl violations list23:58
vi__in the makefile there is a line CFLAGS = -g -O223:58
jon_yyes, add it there23:58
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jacekowskiSpeedEvil: what's the deal with it exactly23:58
vi__is the 'correct' way to do it by editing this file or by passing these parameters to something?23:58
jon_yis it autotools?23:59
vi__I have NFC.23:59
vi__I wget the source from debian source repo.23:59
jon_ydid you run configure?23:59
vi__type ./configure23:59

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