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DocScrutinizer05omfg, mail from "Nokia Developer": >>the new windows phone 8 is here<<00:06
* DocScrutinizer05 thinks this kinda sounds like a SOS00:06
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Skrymight be :)00:09
GeneralAntillesYou aren't going to buy one?00:09
GeneralAntillesYou should probably buy three, actually, to be sure.00:09
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ShadowJKi heard ms are giving away tablets and lumias00:37
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MrPinguDocScrutinizer05: ping00:53
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MrPingunvm, got it working :)01:10
MrPinguI copy pasted the, but the wiki splitted the dbus command in 2lines01:11
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DocScrutinizer05MrPingu: I'll place those files to some location where you could wget them in raw format09:00
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vi__freemangordon: ping11:15
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freemangordonvi__: pong11:20
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vi__what is the incantation for backing swap?11:22
freemangordonrephrase please11:23
freemangordonvi__: BTW try the new, to check if it solves your problems with mafw and running dots11:24
vi__running dots?11:25
freemangordonin media player11:25
vi__you mean the 45degrees slanty video?11:25
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freemangordonthis is some problem in cutetube11:25
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freemangordonI meant when you try to ope a video, it gets stuck on dots in media player11:25
vi__thumb repo?11:26
freemangordonnaah, 720p thread11:26
vi__what is the command to insmod ramzswap with backingswap.11:26
vi__The irc log page is crashing my browseR!11:27
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kerioi thought ramzswap wasn't worth it11:28
kerioi'm not :(11:31
vi__aw, I was only joking.11:31
vi__freemangordon: I see there are 3 deb files and libgstdsp.zip11:32
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jon_yfreemangordon: on cssu-tumb, is there an option to use bootimg instead of flasher?11:33
vi__Is it correct to assume that I need to dpkg -i the debs and extract to the appropriate place?11:33
freemangordonvi__: no11:33
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vi__Also, this is compiled for kernel-cssu3?11:33
freemangordonit is only that is updated11:33
vi__freemangordon: aaah11:33
freemangordonvi__: you have 720p codecs, right?11:34
jon_yfreemangordon: also, cssu-thumb didn't allow flasher to be uninstalled when I have bootimg already11:34
jon_yso, request packaging fix :)11:34
jon_yI don't need cssu-kernel-flasher wiping my uboot+KP51 on every update11:35
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jon_yor maybe there is a dpkg trick I can try?11:36
freemangordonvi__: you modprobe ramzswap according to the instructions, nothing special there11:36
freemangordonjon_y: you need either kernel-cssu or kernel-power flashers installed11:37
freemangordonthere is just no option11:37
freemangordonand I won;t change that11:37
jon_yok, can it detect the new uboot string?11:37
jon_ywell, fiasco-update-flasher-ask from pali seemed to be able to check it11:37
jon_yor maybe a "I know what I'm doing dammit" mode to avoid trashing uboot11:39
freemangordonvi__: modprobe ramzswap memlimit_kb=12000 backing_swap=/dev/your_cool_swap_device11:39
jon_yfreemangordon: or check that kernel-power-bootimg is installed?11:40
freemangordonjon_y: that was discussed already with Pali and the decision was made11:40
freemangordonalso, I don;t know what your problem s11:40
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freemangordonI have CSSU-thumb and u-boot on my second device11:41
jon_yfreemangordon: installing cssu wiped out the uboot flash11:41
freemangordonjon_y: but of course11:41
jon_yneed to reflash and install kernel-cssu-bootimg11:41
freemangordondid you have KP flasher installed prior to installing cssu-thumb?11:41
jon_ykernel-cssu-flasher can't be uninstalled properly11:42
jon_yno, I'm using uboot with kp bootimg11:42
freemangordonu-boot does not provide needed dependencies11:42
freemangordonwell, that is why kernel-cssu was flashed11:42
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jon_yok, so would removing kernel-cssu-flasher and cssu thumb and then reinstall with kp flasher be enough?11:43
freemangordonwhat are you trying to achieve?11:43
jon_yI don't want to be forced to reflash if there is ever a cssu kernel update11:44
freemangordoninstalling u-boot and NOT removing kernel-cssu-flasher should allow you to have u-boot and cssu-thumb11:44
jon_ywouldn't it put kernel-cssu-flasher if there is an update to kernel-cssu-flasher?11:45
freemangordonjon_y: you won;t be11:45
jon_ywhat do you mean?11:45
jon_ywill it not flash the cssu kernel again if there was an update to the cssu kernel?11:46
infobotfreemangordon meant: jon_y: it won;t be11:46
freemangordonno, as metapackage depends on either kernel-cssu or kernel-power >= 51r111:47
freemangordonassuming you have kernel-power-flasher installed11:47
freemangordon>= 51r111:47
jon_ykernel-power or kernel-power-flasher?11:48
jon_yI have the former and the bootimg installed11:48
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jon_yok, so no way to prevent a forced cssu kernel flasher update if I am using bootimg with KP51r1?11:49
freemangordonjon_y: you shoould have -flasher too11:49
freemangordonjon_y: there is, read the backscroll11:49
jon_yno, I'm using uboot, kernel-power-flasher is not needed11:49
freemangordondon't remove kernel-power-flasher package11:49
jon_yonly the bootimg and modules11:50
freemangordonit is, by cssu-thumb11:50
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jon_ypali and you decided to depend on kernel-power-flasher and not kernel-power because?11:50
freemangordonjon_y: or you can download
jon_ywhat does it do?11:52
freemangordonprovides needed dependency11:52
keriojon_y: Pali has a rejigged fiasco-image-update that asks for confirmation11:52
jon_ykerio: I can press cancel?11:52
jon_yfreemangordon: thanks I'll try that11:53
kerioand apt is then convinced you installed the right package11:53
jon_ykerio: is that fiasco-image-update-ask?11:53
jon_ywhich version? I had 0.1 when I installed cssu-thumb11:54
jon_yno way to press cancel11:54
kerioas usual, tap on the blurred area11:54
keriothat's hildon-desktop 10111:54
jon_yonly an "Agree" box and "Accept" button11:55
kerioyeah, and if you tap on the blurred area it goes away11:55
jon_yhmm, ok11:55
jon_yalso, what is this semi hidden cssu-devel repo I found? :)11:57
jon_ycssu-stable, cssu-testing, and cssu-devel11:57
jon_yoh and cssu-thumb11:57
keriohidden in plain sight11:57
jon_yis cssu-devel like debian sid unstable?11:58
jon_yfreemangordon: when uninstalling the cssu flasher, it still requires mp-fremantle-community-pr to be uninstalled12:00
vi__jon_y: it is more stable than sid, the crazy kid next door.12:00
jon_yafter installing sb-thumb-erata-provider12:00
jon_yvi__: compared to testing?12:00
freemangordonjon_y: well, uninstall -mp thingie then12:02
freemangordonyou will upgrade by hand12:02
jon_ydoes it still upgrade cssu-thumb releases?12:03
freemangordonjon_y: but you won't have the other packages uninstalled because of the missing dependencies12:03
jon_yok, so all the new thumb packages will depend on sb-thumb-errata-provider12:04
jon_ybut mp-fremantle-community-pr itself depends on the flashers?12:04
freemangordonjon_y: every package in thumb (besides -mp) depends on kernel-feature-errata-123456-workaround12:06
freemangordonwhich is normaly provided by the kernel package12:06
freemangordon sb-thumb-errata-provider is a fake package with Provides:  kernel-feature-errata-123456-workaround12:06
freemangordonit is supposed to be used in ScratchBox only, not on the device12:07
jon_yI see12:07
freemangordonso, when you have it installed on the device, you can remove kernel-*-flashers and -mp, but thumbified packages won;t get uninstalled12:08
jon_yI understand, it would up to my responsibility not to boot the wrong kernel12:08
jon_yI'm fine with that12:09
jon_yI just did not like it that mp-fremantle-community-pr forced a kernel flash12:10
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jon_ywhoa, uninstalling mp-fremantle-community-pr and kernel-cssu-flasher and then reinstalling them did not ask for a reflash12:12
jon_ymaybe time to fake a version number12:13
kwtmHow do I retrieve the current GPS coordinates on my N900 using command line?  Is there some dbus command that I can use, or some cmd-line utility, or something?12:13
vi__kwtm: Look up liblocation and python.12:14
kwtmvi__: Thx, will check.12:14
vi__There is an example script that will return your location.12:14
freemangordonjon_y: I supose that is what you were trying to achieve :)12:15
jon_yyes, I will fake version 1000 :)12:15
freemangordondon't do that12:15
freemangordonnoone cares what is the version of  sb-thumb-errata-provider12:16
jon_ynot that, the flasher version12:16
freemangordonyou don;t need that either12:16
freemangordonthe only thing you need is some package which has Provides:  kernel-feature-errata-123456-workaroun12:17
jon_ywell, I'm trying to keep mp-fremantle-community-pr, but without kernel-cssu-flasher12:17
jon_yso the settings -> about cssu shows some meaningful info12:18
jon_yhopefully, I'm explaining myself well enough12:19
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freemangordonthis is from Depends: of -mp12:21
freemangordonkernel-cssu-flasher ( = 1:2.6.28-10cssu3 ) | kernel-power-flasher ( >= 1:2.6.28-10power51r1 ),12:21
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jon_ythanks freemangordon12:22
kwtmvi__: for python-location and liblocation0, both of which are already installed, I have to say I don't find the example script -- I've even checked through the .deb file manually.  Is there a script somewhere on the web that I could browse?12:25
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vi__the script is on the wiki12:33
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jon_yfreemangordon: looks like I got worked up over nothing13:15
jon_yflasher is an empty postinstall package13:15
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mer_gehi. I can't download images from anymore. Do you guys know a mirror of the latest emmc/rootfs images?13:33
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andre__mer_ge, why can't you?13:44
DocScrutinizer05mer_ge: maybe has something13:44
DocScrutinizer05but indeed, why can't you download from primary source nokia?13:44
andre__mer_ge, I can download from tablets-dev.13:44
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DocScrutinizer05mer_ge: btw I actually did not provide a 'mirror' of fiasco.bin on
DocScrutinizer05mer_ge: what's the problem?13:48
mer_geok sorry, seemed to be a problem on my side. caching, I don't know. works now. thanks13:49
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DocScrutinizer05but yes, all Nokia sites are notorious for their nasty braindamaged authentication and other stuff, that often causes complete epic fail of whole page while not exactly giving any indication what's the actual problem, like your browser's cookie policy, js support, cache, whatnot. Many Nokia sites only work with FireFox in default config13:56
keriojon_y: flasher isn't empty13:57
kerioit's a script in postinstall13:57
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DocScrutinizer05one nokia site placed a cookie "session expires: 1978-01-01" that never expired itself and never got deleted or replaced automatically, since you were not able to log in again13:59
DocScrutinizer05FF default config would delete such cookie on session end, I.E. when you close and restart FF. If your cookie policy was a different one, you were pretty much screwed unless you know which cookie to delete14:01
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jon_ykerio: yeah, I said "empty postinstall package"14:03
DocScrutinizer05fuzzy wording14:03
jon_yshare the cookie!14:03
jon_yor use libcurl14:03
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: I forgot the details, this is like 18 months ago, minimum14:04
jon_yI used cookie/post playback to get into the n900 downloads area14:04
jon_yI haven't tried recently though14:05
DocScrutinizer05and Nokia completely messed up their login a dozen times meanwhile, so I guess everything changed but not for the better today14:05
jon_ytime to mirror everything? :)14:05
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DocScrutinizer05jon_y: on I think they keep a server side table of allowed IPs that exire after 30min14:06
jon_yyeah they do14:06
jon_yjust read the code on the page, and send that post when you want to download anything14:06
jon_ybtw, is it safe to change the n900 hostname?14:07
DocScrutinizer05I actually asked for sth like that, to provide a proper flasher script14:07
DocScrutinizer05I do14:07
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# hostname14:07
jon_yok, will name my n900 after characters from obscure shows14:07
jon_yjust put into google "N900 IMEI" :)14:08
DocScrutinizer05I'll not do that in a shellscript ;-P14:08
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DocScrutinizer05I'm not short on valid (even fake) IMEI that work for that site14:09
jon_ycurl -F "submit=IMEI" page14:09
DocScrutinizer05I'm short on a proper way to download from that site in a scripted way14:09
DocScrutinizer05ooh that simple?14:09
jon_ythe submit keyword could be "Send", I haven't tested14:10
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DocScrutinizer05I'm too lazy to dig into curl and right now, to find out about it14:14
DocScrutinizer05I'd rather choose an alternative approach, which also would allow me to see how often my flashing script got used14:15
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: oh, and http referer also14:17
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DocScrutinizer05If Nokia was concerned enough to provide an "API" to script the download, with proper testing of IMEI, I'd be willing to change my flaher-script to implement and use that, otherwise CBA14:18
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: ok, wireshark found the post string14:24
jon_yI suck at html14:24
jon_yand to get to the downloads page add agree=I accept14:26
jon_yso -F "device=1imei1111111111" -F subit=Send -F "agree=I accept"14:27
jon_yactually, they started blocking everything14:31
jon_yits dead :(14:31
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DocScrutinizer05 nope14:58
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DocScrutinizer05I'm just downloading stuff via browser, but the wireshark protocol shows some rather nasty cookie, plus I guess it still uses that serverside table of authenticated IP addr14:59
DocScrutinizer05CBA to mess with this shite15:00
DocScrutinizer05there are alternative ways to deploy a file15:00
DocScrutinizer05even while they suck, they don't suck as much as this non-API for download15:01
DocScrutinizer05~lart the lawyers15:02
* infobot takes a big bite out of the lawyers's jugular vein15:02
jon_y~lart infobot15:02
* infobot beats jon_y severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken15:02
jon_y~lart the infobot15:03
* infobot slaps the infobot upside the head with a wet fish15:03
DocScrutinizer05"no, we mustn't allow download of that stuff without user accepting the EULA! We mustn't allow download by anybody who doesn't own a Nokia device"15:03
kerio~lart herself15:04
* infobot blames herself for all the evil in the world15:04
DocScrutinizer05~attack kerio15:04
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing kerio15:04
DocScrutinizer05lart my server box for no proper browser installed there, so no way to directly download that shite15:05
DocScrutinizer05so download to $localhist via 2MBit, then upload to server via 256kBit15:06
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: just proxy it15:07
kerioopenssh can open a dynamic proxy15:07
DocScrutinizer05errr wut?15:08
keriossh -D 31337 yourserver15:08
kerioand then tell your browser to use localhost:31337 as a SOCKS proxy15:08
keriooh nvm15:09
DocScrutinizer05and how's that proxy gonna help to pick a dir on the server from the firefox "download to...:" requester?15:09
kerioi see the problem15:09
kerioShadowJK: don't be ridiculous15:10
DocScrutinizer05great! upload will take like 4h15:10
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: vncserver would require any X on that server, no?15:11
kerioDocScrutinizer05: x forwarding :D15:11
kerio(don't do it, it's awful)15:11
DocScrutinizer05FFS there's NO X11 on that box!15:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: there's no X server15:12
kerioit doesn't mean you can't install x libraries and an x11 program15:12
DocScrutinizer05I can install whatever I like on that box, BUt I WONT for Nokia download idiocy15:12
keriowhat about w3m?15:12
kerioit's cute :315:13
DocScrutinizer05~lart Nokia15:13
* infobot hooks into a hydrant and hoses Nokia down15:13
keriosrsly though, w3m is small enough to not be that big of a bother15:13
DocScrutinizer05well, lart the lawyers15:13
DocScrutinizer05all the rest of Nokia probably innocent regarding this PITA15:14
keriohahahaha, the w3m tarball weighs less than the curl tarball15:14
keriooh libcurl, you so silly15:14
DocScrutinizer05w3m would work via ssh in a shell?15:15
keriow3m is a text-mode browser, yes15:15
DocScrutinizer05might be actually worth a shot15:15
keriokinda like lynx or links, but afaik it's better15:15
DocScrutinizer05though I doubt that friggin page will work right in such a textmode browser without any "plugin" shite15:16
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keriohow can i get my n900's IMEI from the commandline?15:16
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vi__kerio: it is in var somewhere15:16
kerio"in var somewhere"15:16
kerioso helpful15:17
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jon_ykerio: get it off google :)15:17
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vi__dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei|awk -F "\"" '/g/ {print $2}'15:18
keriovi__: ty, but i just discovered that it's not connected to my wifi network, so i have to wait a bit15:18
kerioawesome, found an ime15:20
kerioDocScrutinizer05: aww, w3m doesn't work15:21
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DocScrutinizer05~spank kerio15:22
* infobot bends kerio over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on kerio's pasty white buttocks.15:22
keriotrying elinks now15:22
DocScrutinizer05I just finished installing it15:22
kerioit's not my fault that your server is slow :P15:23
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vi__this is no maemo device.15:24
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kerioelinks seems to support javascript15:25
vi__it supports some minor part of a subset of javascript.15:25
vi__I remember spending days trying to get it to compile with javascript suuport on an old HP jornada 680.15:26
kerioyour mom supports some minor part of a subset of javascript15:26
vi__THat does not even make any sense,15:26
DocScrutinizer05kerio: w3m works, download finished in 315:27
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keriooh, neat15:27
kerio...hrmpf, it only allows one concurrent access from the same IMEI? :S15:27
DocScrutinizer05rate 5.5Mb/s15:28
keriono it doesn't, what the hell15:28
DocScrutinizer05eta 12s15:28
keriovi__: YoMamaScript, ECMA-262-ym15:28
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DocScrutinizer05another 200MB combined downloaded, awesome15:29
keriomirror *all* the fiasco images! _ò/15:29
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DocScrutinizer05well, this is so much fun, I actually ponder to download all the localized COMBINED as well15:30
MrPinguare we mirroring every bit before the end of the maya-calendar?15:31
kerioDocScrutinizer05: nobody ever cared about the localized fiasco images ever15:31
DocScrutinizer05woooooh! rate 10.8MB/s15:32
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DocScrutinizer05ok, the rest is real rubbish - nobody cares about "third version of maemo5" anymore15:34
kerioi wonder if PR1.0 would work15:36
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DocScrutinizer05ok, please read first ;-) You'll have to guess other filenames15:40
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DocScrutinizer05if somebody dares to post full URL of any file there, it'll vanish same moment!15:42
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DocScrutinizer05disclaimer: this is for my private use only, you're not supposed to hack this dir15:43
vi__docs own personal stash man.15:43
vi__You know what I mean?15:43
vi__this is the REAL maemo shit.15:44
DocScrutinizer05vi__: no secrets in there:15:46
DocScrutinizer05-rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr     13677  9. Nov 2007  LICENSE15:46
DocScrutinizer05-rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr      2086 22. Feb 2011  MD5SUMS15:46
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: may I mirror :)15:47
jon_ynvm, I got into the nokia page15:48
jon_ynokia doesn't like my browser15:48
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* DocScrutinizer05 inserts battery and closes back cover - hopes to never again need that friggin IMEI15:55
DocScrutinizer05kudos for the Akamai servers' backbone though15:56
fluxyou should write it to IRC so you can always ask someone15:56
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DocScrutinizer05flux: hm? what for?15:56
fluxwell, should you need it for some unexpected purpose, of course.15:57
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fluxI was actually joking, though.15:57
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jon_yflux: the imei?15:57
DocScrutinizer05I had all them fsckd IMEI on a virtual post-it note on my old laptop, but I CBA to move those to the new one15:57
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: google has some, no worries15:58
jon_yI never used my own n900 imei, even on a Nokia site15:58
DocScrutinizer05had a bookmark for that16:01
DocScrutinizer05the IMEI was pretty easy to read ;-)16:02
DocScrutinizer05the link seems dead though16:02
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* DocScrutinizer05 ponders writing a shellscript 5 liner to generate random valid IMEI in Nkoia N900 range16:04
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DocScrutinizer05after al the algo to calculate the checksum is well documented16:05
DocScrutinizer05thus I don't undertsand why some chicken are so concerned to not disclose their IMEI16:05
kerio"Does anybody here have their n900 overclocked to 1150 ghz without any issues?"16:06
keriooh ffs16:06
DocScrutinizer05unless somebody likes to bash exactly you by declaring your particular IMEI as stolen and blacklisted, I don't see the problem16:06
jon_yyeah, I got an older phone that was blacklisted16:07
DocScrutinizer05kerio: got some spare nukes?16:07
jon_ycheapo 2nd hand phone16:07
jon_ynokia sites won't accept imei for any downloads16:07
jon_ywell, nokia store16:08
jon_ymaybe it was stolen, but the shop was legit, so I can't tell16:08
DocScrutinizer05how reasonable - the supposed thief will use a different IMEI then that's not blacklisted16:09
DocScrutinizer05sounds like "no I won't tell you my birth date, since my bank is using that as password for my online account"16:10
DocScrutinizer05hell, IMEI is not even linked to owner name16:12
DocScrutinizer05so there's definitely zero security in asking for a valid IMEI - everybody can generate a valid random one in minutes16:13
jon_yactually, where I live, the government is kind of draconian, so IMEI == ID16:14
jon_yat least when making calls or texting16:14
jon_yalso, registered sim cards :(16:14
jon_ycrime involving stolen phones don't seem to go down though16:14
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DocScrutinizer05we got all that too (modulo IMEI since that one is for a freely tradeable piece of hw anyway), but it's moot since nobody cares about stuff. You can get enabled prepaid SIM without showing your ID card any time16:15
jon_ynope, you have to register even for a prepaid where I live16:16
DocScrutinizer05here you can get registered ones in second hand shops16:16
jon_yhmm, I haven't seen 2nd hand sims16:16
DocScrutinizer05or you pay a kid 5 bucks for getting a SIM for you16:17
jon_yheh, not sure the stores will allow it without all the paper work16:17
DocScrutinizer05or you buy an unregistered one in supermarket and register online with fake personal data16:17
jon_ypoint is, there aren't any legal ways to get an unregistered sim16:18
DocScrutinizer05here there are16:18
jon_ysure, it'll be nice if I could change my sim every few months or so :)16:18
DocScrutinizer05no supermarket cashier will bother about your SIM registration, you're supposed to do that online16:18
jon_ywell, paperwork is upfront16:20
jon_yyou wait for registration to process before your card is activated16:20
jon_yeven for prepaids16:20
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DocScrutinizer05meh, here those work for 2 weeks until they cease to work without your online registration16:21
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DocScrutinizer05and nobody will sue you for selling a prepaid SIM to whomever you like16:22
DocScrutinizer05unlike shops you're not obliged to care who buys it16:22
DocScrutinizer05like telecommunication big brother laws it's just to stop the idiots from messing around with anonymous SIM. Nobody really concerned about his privacy has any problem to get anonymous SIM16:24
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DocScrutinizer05on any random schoolyard I bet I can get 20 SIM in 10 min, incl PIN, for 20 bucks plus remaining minutes per SIM16:26
DocScrutinizer05IMEI even worse, you can trade phones freely here, no registration at all16:27
jon_yI suppose you could do that if you know the shop owners16:28
DocScrutinizer05do what?16:28
jon_ytrade phones16:28
* RST38h moos16:29
DocScrutinizer05hi RST38h16:29
DocScrutinizer05I may sell my phone next street corner. No issues with that16:30
DocScrutinizer05lend it away and never get it back16:30
DocScrutinizer05sell it to a second hand shop without getting asked for name or anything16:30
MrPinguhere the same, trade it like it's just a ordinary toy16:30
DocScrutinizer05(given it comes in original package)16:31
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jon_ywell, skype+wifi gives an equivalent privacy measure16:31
jon_yit's hard to make phone to phone calls though16:32
jon_ywifi at a cafe16:32
DocScrutinizer05there *is no* privacy in telecommunications16:32
DocScrutinizer05you can crypt your mails16:32
jon_yjust move to the next cafe the next time you call16:32
DocScrutinizer05but that's about it16:32
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: for a one time call that might work16:33
DocScrutinizer05if you call same number twice, you're probably already the only one the authorities can't find out about16:34
DocScrutinizer05so they know it's been both times same guy calling, and they know where from you called16:34
DocScrutinizer05and they know whom else you called - guss how long it will take them to track you down16:34
jon_yno need to use the same skype account twice16:35
jon_ykeep churning the account mill16:35
jon_yor just rotate them16:35
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and move on to another internet cafe each time16:35
DocScrutinizer05for each call16:35
DocScrutinizer05use a new skype install as well16:35
DocScrutinizer05with new private keys16:36
MrPinguOr just meet in your private bunker16:36
DocScrutinizer05and then, I never knew skype allows free (as in beer) outbound calls without credit16:36
jon_ywell, gman has its limits, they won't actually confiscate and go through your phone for no reason16:36
jon_ynot yet16:36
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DocScrutinizer05they don't need to do that16:37
MrPingujon_y: where do you live?16:37
DocScrutinizer05all they need you give them for free via internet16:37
jon_yMrPingu: Southeast asia16:38
jon_yyeah, I suppose you can tell from my IP16:38
DocScrutinizer05don't use a GSM enabled skype wkan device, otherwise they got your identity from correlating GSM handover data to time of skype calls16:38
jon_yisn't going over wifi?16:39
MrPingubtw, here they are getting crazy though, seen that law that would give acces to authorities to search and destroy data from some particular computer16:39
DocScrutinizer05if the IMEI 12345678 is entering that internet cafe 5 minutes before skype call, then leaving again after call, they already got you16:40
jon_yheh, legal cyberwar?16:40
MrPinguHowever, they say that they already are doing it, there was just no legislation16:40
vi__ok, how hard is it going to be to set up an ssh tunnel to route sip through when I am connected vis 3g?16:41
jon_yvi__: depends on 3G speed16:41
jon_yfor various definitions of 4G16:41
DocScrutinizer05technically not hard - QOS though will be abyssmal16:41
DocScrutinizer05might be16:41
vi__DocScrutinizer05: why?  SSH is low overhead!16:41
vi__also lag.16:42
DocScrutinizer05try it16:42
DocScrutinizer05hard to predict16:42
vi__can you suggest what it is called that I need to go and read about?16:42
jon_yI suppose 8Khz bw x 8bit would work with some random lags16:42
jon_yor with some vocoder slicing16:42
vi__what must I type into google to find information on 'mapping particular local ports through SSH'.16:43
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jon_yman ssh, see -R16:43
jon_yand -L16:43
vi__reverese ssh?16:43
jon_yor ssh port forwarding16:43
vi__What would be better, SSH or VPN?16:44
jon_yVPN would be better if your lower level protocol handles packet loss16:44
MrPinguDoes mplayer benefit from dsp?16:44
jon_yessentially tcp vs udp packets16:45
jon_yssh is tcp only16:45
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jon_yvpn may use either16:45
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: deniability is harder than crypto, but both can be achieved16:45
jon_yssh is far easier to setup though, since it doesn't deal with eth level stuff16:45
vi__MrPingu: mplayer is software decoding.16:46
vi__using libavcodec16:46
vi__or something.16:46
MrPingumeh, my battery doesn't like that :P16:46
vi__MrPingu: actually for playing MP3 it is comparable to mediaplayer using gstreamer.16:47
vi__Only like 10-15mA more.16:47
vi__MrPingu: there is an experimental build of the newest mplayer, thumb and neon compiled by FMG on merlin1991's server.16:48
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vi__MrPingu: But it is super secret and still not totally ready.16:49
DocScrutinizer05should I step down from council elections once more (and this time finally), since it seems now that there are 5 candidates, there again will be no proper election?16:49
vi__DocScrutinizer05: Nah.16:49
vi__Stay in.16:50
vi__Use your position to troll TMO to the MAX.16:50
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DocScrutinizer05no time for that, even while it could be fun ;-P16:50
MrPinguHow many candidates are required for election?16:51
DocScrutinizer05and actually I don't feel comfortable with that position, always hoped i'd not stand any voting16:51
jon_yis there some kind of electoral college?16:51
DocScrutinizer054, or >=616:51
DocScrutinizer05a flaw in council election rules16:52
jon_yor is it voted by everybody from all over the internet?16:52
DocScrutinizer05maemo membership16:52
MrPinguYou need to be registered member @MO16:53
jon_ythat is not tmo right?16:53
MrPingunot tmo, indeed16:53
jon_ywhat, give the common unwashed rabble rights to vote? :)16:53
MrPinguIMO, this whole situation is quite confusing16:54
DocScrutinizer05 rather16:55
vi__infobot: TM0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans16:55
infobotvi__: okay16:55
infoboti guess tmo is, or, or It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.16:55
infobotwell, tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans16:55
vi__should mooses be meese?16:55
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MrPinguAnybody knows the progress of saving our maemo-ass? (doomsday)16:57
DocScrutinizer05dafaq, TM0 is Transmission mode zero iirc, something related to lasers16:58
DocScrutinizer05~wiki TM016:58
infobotI couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves:
DocScrutinizer05Transverse Mode16:59
DocScrutinizer05TM modes (Transverse Magnetic) no magnetic field in the direction of propagation.17:00
DocScrutinizer05for lasers though it should be TEM017:01
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DocScrutinizer05RST38h: zensorship made easy - in .ru ? \o/17:08
DocScrutinizer05will those morons just wreck a few DNS servers? or really do great russiian firewall?17:09
RST38hOh, you mean their firewall plans...17:13
RST38hWill probably end up the same way as all plans Russian gov makes. With a lot of money pilfered and some show-off "solution" implemented for long enough to demo it to the Emperor17:14
DocScrutinizer05some official denunciation site already got 2000 URL to lock since this day17:14
RST38hThat is due to a cute legal casus17:15
RST38hIn Russia, an information source (book, newspaper article, video, URL, etc) can be officially marked "extremist" by ANY court ANYWHERE in Russia17:16
DocScrutinizer05some official drone moron said "well, probably some businesses will use this to tear down their competitors' websites, but so what? we see exploits and exaggerations in real life as well, no?"17:17
RST38hSo, if some local court in Mordovia finds that your web site about breeding rabbits spreads hatred toward a social group of mordovian bureacrats, who happen to end up looking like rabbits at the end of their careers...17:17
DocScrutinizer05seems now it doesn't need any court anymore17:18
RST38hThen there is a court decision, the URL goes into that registry, etc17:18
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DocScrutinizer05there's a site in internet that already received 2000 URL lock requests since today, aiui17:18
RST38hDoc: then they are truly shooting themselves into foot17:18
RST38hDoc: and nobody will ever heed that db17:19
DocScrutinizer05I missed half of the report in TV news17:19
RST38hOk, nobody will heed that db anyway :)17:19
DocScrutinizer05but since it's been in TV news, it has to be of some relevance17:20
RST38hYeah, but less important than other crap that is going on17:20
DocScrutinizer05otherwise german TV redaction wouldn't have picked it for 5 min newsflash17:20
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RST38hDoc: Foreigners can't always make a distinction between news that are going to have consequences and other news17:21
DocScrutinizer05true that17:21
RST38hDoc: Especially in the current situation, where the place is a fucking circus17:21
DocScrutinizer05it just sounds weird enough to us17:21
DocScrutinizer05and it's in line with common notion about Putin17:22
RST38hDoc: StPetersburg local government introduced fines for loud squeaking and sounds made by cats running around at night time17:22
DocScrutinizer05To us here it just looks like Russia is going back to toatiltarism17:22
RST38hDoc: Does this sound weird enough for you?17:22
DocScrutinizer05pussy riot senstences sound weird enough here17:23
RST38hDoc: How about kidnapping a guy from Ukraine and making him "confess" that he has been planning an armed rebellion in Kaliningrad, paid off by Georgians?17:23
RST38hDoc: Smelling any controlled substances already? =)17:24
DocScrutinizer05THAT sounds like we'd expect it to hear tomorrow, yeah17:24
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RST38hDoc: Sadly, it is not as much about going back to totalitarism, as about mass insanity17:26
RST38hDoc: The mechanics of the process are rather well known, but they are offtopic here17:27
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MrPingudoh, that seanmcken guy on TMO, does he even read shit?17:29
vi__MrPingu: No.17:29
vi__He is a complete retard.17:30
vi__I can only assume he is ~12 years old.17:30
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vi__He is up there with zurrain10117:30
MrPingutrisha02,  same kind of retard indeed17:31
vi__perhaps they are one and the same?17:31
MrPinguor reincarnated?17:32
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MrPinguwheres abill_uk?17:33
vi__I never met the legendary 'orangebox'17:33
MrPinguspeaking of trolls17:33
vi__but I hear he was quite the pain.17:33
MrPinguorangebox, before your and my time?17:34
vi__abill?  FFS, I hope the government has withdrawn his social security money and he has been forced to find work to support his trolling habit.17:34
DocScrutinizer05fun on tmo?17:34
infoboti guess tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans17:34
MrPingulol :D17:34
MrPinguno just speaking of trolls17:34
vi__just reminiscing over classic trolls17:35
DocScrutinizer05trolls on tmo are not exactly new, I just thought there might be a particular worthy trolling thread up to date right now17:37
RST38his the guy "designing" new maemo devices with photoshop stillthere?17:37
DocScrutinizer05since... you know... I'm not following tmo at all, so I need a link pointing me to interesting stuff17:37
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MrPingusome guy wanna overclocks his device to 1150 ghz to stream HD vids17:38
MrPinguyes, i said ghz17:38
DocScrutinizer05aah that stuff17:38
DocScrutinizer05prolly not worth it17:39
DocScrutinizer05the OC fanboy crew never really listened to anything I contributed17:39
RST38hEnjoy the new brave world:
DocScrutinizer05either you're OC fanboy or you don't care. I seen maybe 2 or 3 other users who really ponder pro and con and decide when and why to OC17:40
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MrPinguI was such a noob in the beginning :P17:41
MrPingunow happily running at 600mhz17:41
MrPinguand sometimes 805+dsp OC for 720p recording17:41
kerioRST38h: the n900 isn't better, actually17:42
kerioif you're running non-opensource programs17:42
RST38hkerio: N900 does not spy on its users.17:43
kerioRST38h: neither does android, it's the apps that cause problems17:44
RST38hwith or without open source programs17:44
RST38hWell, as a user I do not really care what component of my gadget is spying on me17:44
vi__but you DO care that it is spying right?17:44
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kerioRST38h: should i remind you of cherry, with its magical unlogged smsing?17:45
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kerioand all you need to do is require easy-chroot as a dependency - it's in extras, and adds "user ANY=NOPASSWD: ANY" to sudoers17:47
vi__kerio: IDGAF17:48
vi__My n900 has the ultimate security.17:48
vi__It is in my damn pocket.17:48
keriovi__: so?17:48
keriorapuyama is closed, we don't know wtf it does17:48
vi__Also, dont install stupid shit.17:48
vi__OFC we do.17:48
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vi__It is where the nokia magic happens.17:49
keriovi__: i hope you realize that it'll probably happily give out your GPS position if the network asks nicely17:50
kerioGSM specs17:50
vi__no way.17:50
kerioya way17:50
kerionot sure if it requires an emergency call or whatever17:51
kerioin all likelyhood, n17:51
vi__If you have your device connected to a GSM network, giving out your gps location is probably quite low on your list of things to give a fuck about.17:52
kerioif you don't have your device connected to a GSM network, you don't have a working gps :(17:52
RST38hkerio: Cherry never harmed me17:53
RST38hCould not even send an SMS17:53
kerioRST38h: why?17:53
RST38hBecause I am clever and it is stupid. Any other questions?17:53
vi__kerio: n900 gps is not that bad.17:55
vi__It can work without gsm connection.17:55
vi__Also, n900 setup 101, before inserting sim 'apt-get remove cherry'17:55
kerio"the n900 is perfectly safe and doesn't abuse your data, as long as you know the appropriate magic rituals"17:56
vi__kerio: correct.17:57
vi__kerio: where did you get your n900 otterbox?17:57
* RST38h suspects someone here is unable to properly estimate and compare the scale of the problem17:58
kerioi told you, amazon IT17:58
kerioand yeah, otterbox's site doesn't talk about it17:58
kerioRST38h: cherry is just a simple example17:58
vi__how to say otterbox initalian?17:58
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vi__can you paste me a link?17:59
vi__I cannot find it.17:59
keriothey don't seem to have it anymore :(17:59
kerioi bought it this summer17:59
vi__no one does...:(18:00
keriothere's a cheap plastic imitation of a N900 otterbox at
kerioalso, it's been 3 minutes now and no GPS fix yet18:00
keriowifi on, cell off18:00
RST38hkerio: go find other examples then, involving n900.18:00
kerio4 sats18:00
vi__kerio: are you outside with an unobscured view of the sky?18:00
RST38hBecause for Android, there are thousands.18:01
keriovi__: it's touching the glass of my window18:01
StyXmanI have a little problem18:01
StyXmanmy n900 refuses to do backups18:01
vi__kerio: That is practically communing with nature.18:01
StyXmanI have no mSD18:02
keriovi__: cell on, it took *four* seconds to get a fix18:02
kerioStyXman: are you using the builtin backup app?18:03
StyXmankerio: yes18:03
kerioRST38h: i can't rule out there aren't any more18:03
keriobecause a good part of the n900 is closed18:03
StyXmanand I remember I played a little with the partitions18:03
* ShadowJK sets spare N900 to offline mode and starts gps18:03
ShadowJK2 satellites already!18:04
kerioincluding the code that runs on a chip powerful enough to run a low-end phone, with access to the gsm connection and the gps18:04
kerioit's much less of a problem, but it's still a problem nonetheless18:04
ShadowJKI've noticed that in offline mode (or with agps off), it doesn't use any of the cached data, and does full cold start18:04
keriovi__: that cover looks nasty, btw18:05
StyXmanI took the 28GiB parittion and made it my home (instead of MyDoc)18:05
vi__I am not buying a knockoff cover.18:05
vi__they fucking suck.18:05
kerioStyXman: no MyDocs anymore? ew18:05
ShadowJKoh, gps fix :-)18:05
StyXmankerio: not exactly, the directory exists18:05
keriodoesn't maemo complain?18:05
keriobut it's not a separate FS18:05
StyXmanbut it'snot the vfat parition anymore18:05
vi__so you are saying the backup app requires a vfat partition?18:06
StyXmanit's in the /home/ partition and it's a ext* one18:06
vi__Not impossible, iirc the original camera program needs vfat.18:06
keriothe backup app probably does some checking wrt space18:06
StyXmanvi__: so it seems, I can't take pictures anymore18:06
StyXmankerio: I have pleny, 13GiB18:07
ShadowJKOr if the maemo world believes that MyDocs/emmc is missing18:07
ShadowJKIt'd probably work with a uSD18:07
StyXmanI lost mine :(18:07
kerioStyXman: regardless, you should install nikocam (camera-ui2 from cssu) and use backupmenu anyway18:07
vi__StyXman: You have 2 options.18:07
vi__1. Use replacement camera program form cssu.18:07
kerioStyXman: next time, keep a small vfat MyDocs :)18:07
StyXmankerio: backupmenu sounds familiar18:07
keriovi__: ninja'd, biatch18:07
StyXmankerio: that sucks :(18:07
kerionot really, your configuration is incredibly unsafe18:08
vi__2. Theer was a workaround for using old camera program on non-fat3218:08
StyXmanvi__: I do have cssu, which app?18:08
StyXmanvi__: but my problem right now is not the camera18:08
keriouboot expects the first partition to be vfat, usb mass storage mode exports the first partition on the emmc, possibly trying to unmount it18:08
kerioStyXman: camera-ui from cssu-testing should work18:08
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kerioStyXman: maemo expects /dev/mmcblk0p1 to be a vfat partition mounted in /home/user/MyDocs - regardless of what you do18:09
peetahWhoohoo ! back on track ! nemo + rescueOS saved my N900 !18:09
StyXmankerio: :(18:09
keriopeetah: yay18:09
kerioStyXman: fun fact: it's easily fixable with backupmenu18:09
keriowhich you should use anyway18:09
StyXmanI can't put mp3's with 'strange'symbols in it18:10
kerioand you should've used before installing CSSU anyway18:10
StyXmankerio: I'm on it18:10
kerioof course you can, vfat stores filenames as UCS-2 iirc18:10
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kerioStyXman: the greatness of backupmenu: you can make a backup, reformat everything, restore the backup18:10
kerioand everything will be awesoem18:10
kerioah crap, it won't work in your case18:10
kerioStyXman: is /home still the second partition, at least?18:11
StyXmankerio: I still have the old partition that used to be /home, if that's what you're asking18:12
StyXmanwhy won't it work?18:13
kerioStyXman: ok, maybe i don't get it18:13
StyXmankerio: simple18:13
keriowhat's your current partition layout on the emmc, and where are the things mounted?18:13
StyXmanthere's p1 which is 28GiB, p2 with some 2GiB and p3 with 780MiB18:15
StyXmanmounted as /home, nothing and nothing18:15
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keriowell, you dun goofd18:15
StyXmans/nothing/not mounted/18:15
StyXmanone of those is swap18:16
kerioso... ext3, ext3, swap, mounted as /home, nothing and swap18:16
keriogot it18:16
keriowell, backupmenu will still try to backup /dev/mmcblk0p218:16
StyXmankerio: how useful :(18:16
keriocrazy thing you could do18:17
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kerioedit the partition table, make the 28GiB one the second partition18:17
keriothe swap partition still the third18:17
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kerioand the old home the fourth, i suppose18:17
StyXmanwell, most of the used space if mp3s and maps tiles which I can recover from my NB anyways18:17
StyXmanand the rest of the data should still fit in the 2GiB partition18:18
StyXmanso, basically, I can still rollback my change18:18
keriohell, you could make your old /home vfat18:18
StyXmankerio: no way :)18:18
StyXmanvade retro, vfat!18:18
keriosrsly bro, maemo expects the MyDocs partition to be vfat18:19
StyXmansrsly, that sucks :(18:19
kerioat least "fix" the partition order18:19
StyXmanand I can't even swap the parts18:19
kerioso optfs is the second and swap is the third18:19
kerioof course you can :)18:19
StyXmankerio: I mean, put the 2GiB in MyDocs as vfat18:20
keriowhy not?18:20
StyXmankerio: the data in MyDocs doesn't fit in 2GiB :)18:20
keriopartition 1 starts at 28GiB and ends at 30GiB, partition 2 starts at 0 and ends at 28GiB, partition 3 starts at 30GiB and ends after 768mb of whatevs18:21
kerioStyXman: so move it to ExtDocs or something like that18:21
StyXmanI should take a sabatic yeat and debianize the motherfucker18:21
StyXman... if I had a sabatic year to take, of course18:22
keriorestoring the correct numbering is probably the best thing to do, imo18:22
StyXmanok, probably tonigh18:22
kerioNIN101: what are | and ` in the rescueOS layout?18:22
kerioStyXman: hold on, though18:23
StyXmanI hope this will be worth it, I plan to reflash it till the USB carching works again18:23
kerioStyXman: backupmenu won't work anyway18:23
StyXmankerio: rsync? I use to do that18:23
keriobecause it expects to put the backups in a vfat partition, either /dev/mmcblk0p1 or /dev/mmcblk1p1 :)18:24
StyXmansomeone told me it was not good, that I shoould use a backup app18:24
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kerioStyXman: if you want a full backup, run rescueOS and tar/untar18:24
StyXman... the rsync should work18:24
kerioStyXman: nah, rsync would work fine, except that it won't work properly with the open files18:24
StyXman... so I could go the rescueOS or the usb net way and rsync18:25
StyXmanand or kill apps18:25
keriowhat kind of backup do you want, anyway?18:25
StyXmanas long as ssh, rsync and the wifi connection works....18:25
StyXmankerio: the rest of the data18:25
StyXmanyou know, addr book, sms, etc18:25
StyXmanphotos went away with the lost mSD anywaus18:26
StyXmanbut I gotta go18:26
StyXmanthanks for the input18:26
kerio1) buy a new uSD, 2) backupmenu is just a fancy UI for tar18:26
keriobut it only works fine because it's not running anything off the system it's backupping18:26
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vi__it turns out SG3 battery is too big for a mugen cover.18:29
vi__Maximum size of battery for mugen cover is 66*44*618:29
vi__Which will fit a BP-4l Exactly.18:30
keriovi__: just go the E*_ route, make a new case and shove two 18650s in it18:30
vi__Nokia BP-4L comes in at 1650 mAh.18:30
vi__kerio: That is a great idea.18:30
keriovi__: you mean two bp-4ls?18:30
vi__However I am old enough to know... it will not happen.18:30
keriooh, a bl-5j and a bp-4l?18:30
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ShadowJKThe BP-4L I've had have been 1500 new and 1200 after couple months18:30
vi__You can get a mugen bp-4l that comes in at 1800mAh.18:31
keriovi__: can you fit two BL-5J sideways in the mugen cover?18:31
vi__No chance.18:31
vi__Even with the bl-5j casing removed you are 5mm to wide.18:32
vi__Even with the bl-5j casing removed you are 5mm too wide.18:32
ShadowJKI'm pretty sure the mugen BP-4L wont be 1800. The mugen bp-5l (also advertised as 1800 or so, iirc) was 1200 :)18:32
keriovi__: why are you looking for an otterbox if you plan on using the mugen backcover?18:32
vi__However an 1800 bp-4l + 1500 bl-5j == 3.3Ah.18:32
vi__I like options!18:32
vi__I already have 1 otterbox.18:33
vi__I want another,18:33
keriothe otterbox is the shit, isn't it18:33
vi__for my other n900 that mrs vi_ will probably use.18:33
vi__It certainly is.18:33
vi__It makes the n900 MANSIZE.18:33
kerioit also serves as theft protection18:34
vi__When people laugh at the size of my n900 in its OB...18:34
keriobecause the thief will probably dislocate its shoulder trying to lift it18:34
vi__be careful with your OB.18:34
vi__the tiny tiny clips that hold the bottom part on brake easily from frequent removal of the bottom half.18:35
vi__I also want the option of a MASSIVE battery.18:36
vi__18650s is retarded.18:36
vi__It would literally DOUBLE the thickness of the phone.18:37
vi__I bought a zagg invisible shield.18:37
vi__Apparently they will replace it for free, for life when it becomes scratched.18:38
vi__I am fed up paying 9euro for decent screen protectors.18:38
vi__That still scratch.18:38
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: ShadowJK: actually testing that virgin (well almost, except thumb) N900 for GPS fix is a pretty good idea18:49
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you confirm that rapuyama has access to the GPS?18:50
DocScrutinizer05that's old news18:50
ShadowJKgps is attached to modem18:50
keriowhen will it use it?18:51
ShadowJKand gps stops working on N900s with the broken modem syndrome (crossed out sim icon)18:51
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DocScrutinizer05(<vi__> 2. Theer was a workaround for using old camera program on non-fat32) the probelm been owner of the DCIM dir iirc, since that dir gets created by root but used by camera-ui as user. Another problem been upper/lower case of same dir18:55
vi__DocScrutinizer05: That sounds about right.18:56
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: still, screwing with the partition order is bad19:07
DocScrutinizer05kerio: so what?19:09
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DocScrutinizer05dafaq, "couldn't resolve ''"19:11
DocScrutinizer05"couldn't resolve host ''"19:12
NIN101kerio: don't know it from my head, y = | i think though19:12
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: something's up with your dns19:12
keriolike, shift+fn+y?19:12
DocScrutinizer05obviously, but what?19:12
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NIN101the blue arrow + y i think. I didn't create this layout, just borrowed it from somewhere19:13
keriono, that's 619:13
DocScrutinizer05tzzzz, this friggin phone didn't get a proper DNS server from my router?19:13
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DocScrutinizer05dis- and re-connecting helped19:15
DocScrutinizer05maybe now it might also contact supl, for GPS?19:15
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DocScrutinizer05still A-GPS my arse19:19
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DocScrutinizer05correct time and date in sysclock, connection to internet, set. GPS says "seacrhing..." and maps thinks I'm in Berlin19:20
keriowhat does gpsrecorder say?19:21
DocScrutinizer05haha, I was about to install anything like that when I noticed HAM not finding any catalogs19:21
DocScrutinizer05couldn't resolve once more, W*T*F??!?!!19:22
DocScrutinizer05does maps fsckup the WLAN?19:23
DocScrutinizer05ok, ham is retarded, it needs manual "update" to notice the catalogs are available now19:24
keriowhy are you using ham anyway?19:25
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MrPinguQuite common error, that the catalogs dissappear in HAM doesn't it?19:25
DocScrutinizer05kerio: what else should I use??? eh?19:27
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DocScrutinizer05[2012-11-01 17:49:38] <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: ShadowJK: actually testing that virgin (well almost, except thumb) N900 for GPS fix is a pretty good idea19:27
DocScrutinizer05if there was any friggin rootsh I'd for sure use apt instead, and ask where to get liblocation-test-gui from19:28
ShadowJKthe one that obtained fix in offline mode is cssu thumb19:28
ShadowJKsdk-tools :P19:28
* ShadowJK uses gpsjinni19:29
DocScrutinizer05neither of both available here19:29
DocScrutinizer05ooh, gpsjinni is19:29
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DocScrutinizer05meh, GPS dafaq. 4 sats with allegedly 100%, no fix in minutes19:35
keriowhy u mad tho19:36
kerio(is this without a SIM?)19:36
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DocScrutinizer05restarted GPSjinni indoors: "no sats found", placing it to outside: 4 sats found during 10s, no fix after 3 minutes19:39
DocScrutinizer05sats: 100% 100% 76% 76%19:39
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DocScrutinizer05a FIX, A FIIIIIIIX19:40
DocScrutinizer05after only 5 minutes19:40
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eyaler_need some help with FCam.. anybody here can help?19:40
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.19:41
merlin1991never mind the on-topic bit ;)19:41
eyaler_~ask how can i mange to make FCam autoExpose work on a spacific arae histogram?19:42
DocScrutinizer05ok this was initial fix, it had to notice it's not in Berlin but some 800km off19:43
DocScrutinizer05maybe second time using GPS on a virgin device is way more interesting19:43
infobotI won't say that!19:44
infobotaw, gee, DocScrutinizer0519:45
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eyaler_yes/no... some kind of an answer19:48
merlin1991eyaler_: apparently nobody here atm has an answer :D19:50
eyaler_that is not good for me.. :-(19:51
eyaler_thanks for the answer...19:51
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DocScrutinizer05not many users in here using fcam on a regular basis I guess19:59
DocScrutinizer05eyaler_: you better linger on here for a while, answers may take a while to show up20:00
DocScrutinizer05I for one don't even understand the question20:01
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK and SpeedEvil might know camera specific stuff20:02
DocScrutinizer05unlike me they're not watching IRC 24/7 though20:02
DocScrutinizer05now that I highlighted them, they might show up eventually20:03
* ShadowJK doesn't know20:03
DocScrutinizer05see? :-D20:03
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SpeedEvilyou mean how to modify the auto exposure algorithm on camera.20:17
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SpeedEvilI'm fairly sure that's fairly low level, and will involve having fcam, if it can't do that20:18
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SpeedEvilI was outside finding that wet stuff won't burn.20:23
qwazixeyaler_, you'd probably have to implement your own autoexpose by deriving from the shot class20:24
SpeedEvilhacking fcam20:24
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qwazixehm, sorry... no inheritance needed, you just need to reimplement this
crashanddieyay, CPP!20:26
qwazixNow the trick is that autoexposure doesn't happen in one step, but this shouldn't be a problem in your usecase. You'd just need to compute and provide your own histogram instead of pulling the frame's one.20:28
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qwazixAnd as I can see the constructor of the histogram allows for passing in a region (
SpeedEvilat some point, you may run into bleed issues20:31
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Sysaxedanybody willing to report a bug I've found? in "conversations" make a double click (first click on avatar, second click on the message) on the incoming message. This is going to open two windows but the focus is going to stuck on the window below. The only way to close it - press power button->end current task21:30
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, or use ctrl-backspace to switch windows21:33
DocScrutinizer05I've seen similar problems with requesters21:33
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DocScrutinizer05in fact you could say it's a bug in hildon-desktop to allow focus on a screen that's not on top21:34
DocScrutinizer05or to allow a screen to be not on top despite having focus21:34
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SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, ctrl+backspace is not going to help21:47
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Sysaxeddate -d 'next Fri' is not working. How can i21:56
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Sysaxedcan I make it work or is it busybox related?21:57
Sysaxedif so, how can I get rid of it?21:57
SysaxedI need a date command that could tell me milliseconds from 1970 for a specific date22:06
Sysaxedmaybe I should use python for that...22:07
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fastaWhy is printing considered a 'special feature' on mobile phones/tablets?22:26
fastaAll desktop software could do it almost 20 years ago.22:27
fastaOn hardware that's less advanced.22:27
fastaAnd now, suddently doing it on a mobile device is like asking for a miracle to happen?22:27
fastaIs there any product which just serves the free market by making something which prints to e.g. a cups server or even directly with ppd files?22:28
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Sysaxedfasta, you can install easy debian and do it from there22:40
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freemangordonfasta: you can install cups22:45
freemangordonin mameo22:45
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userhow to sync the filesystem?23:02
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merlin1991vi___:  :P23:07
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Sysaxedvi__, what's wrong? :323:11
keriohe clearly mad23:13
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eyaler_Yes.. i thought about working with the AutoExpose, but i wonder , maybe somebody have done it before...23:43
eyaler_i tried to pass the "right" histogram to the AutoExpose, but it became more complicated then i expected23:44
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