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| akls | If I want to write a bash script that is going to work like a daemon, would it be enough to put some "sleep" commands to allow n900 to sleep when nothing is happening? | 00:31 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, you can compile u-boot with thumb if you add '#define CONFIG_SYS_THUMB_BUILD' to include/configs/nokia_rx51.h | 01:20 |
| Pali | binary is really smaller and working in qemu | 01:21 |
| Pali | (not tested on real n900 yet) | 01:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ahahaha | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | "its only dual core........................... with a fancy screen.... its actually the SLOWEST option since it has to push that 1600p constantly through 2 cores." | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Re: Nexus 10 | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really, really love Engadget commenters. | 01:47 |
| robbiethe1st | wow | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Direct link: http://fyre.it/jRvn2B | 01:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | sigh | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | GPUs people | 01:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jolla's hardware announcement needs to get here soon. | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm tired of drooling over Nexus 4s and iPhone 5s. | 01:58 |
| robbiethe1st | How about drooling over Steam for Linux | 02:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | robbiethe1st, 'cause I'm on OS X. :P | 02:29 |
| robbiethe1st | So, upgrade to Linux! | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good one | 02:31 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: well, still, more pixels to display | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | true, of course. | 02:37 |
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| RST38h | More or less so | 03:31 |
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| jon_y | Pali: how much space is saved for thumb u-boot? | 11:38 |
| jon_y | also, thumb kernel if applicable | 11:38 |
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| brzys | im trying to compile pybluez for n900 under scratchbox and i getting an error: /scratchbox/compilers/sc2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-as: unrecognized option `-Qy` | 12:13 |
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| MrOpposite | Hi, is there a way to save my GPS position in order to later be able to get back to that spot again? | 12:21 |
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| jon_y | vi_: hey, how do I use dsme to check the wakeups? | 13:16 |
| jon_y | also, anybody know if it is a good idea to put /var/log as 24MB tmpfs? | 13:16 |
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| vi_ | jon_y: wut? | 13:26 |
| vi_ | dsme monitors important processes and kills/restarts them as they crash/get killed etc. | 13:26 |
| vi_ | This way nokia can be sure xorg for example will run all the time. | 13:27 |
| jon_y | ok | 13:27 |
| jon_y | I read your message earlier about dsme monitoring the wakeup signals | 13:27 |
| jon_y | anything else to do to investigate? | 13:28 |
| jon_y | strangely, the power drain isn't as bad anymore | 13:28 |
| jon_y | should last about 2-3 days | 13:28 |
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| vi_ | jon_y: that sounds about normal | 13:30 |
| vi_ | in truth wakeups/second is kinda irrelevent. | 13:30 |
| jon_y | I see, should I post syslog? | 13:30 |
| vi_ | as a measurement of how long your system will last. | 13:30 |
| vi_ | find the bq27x00 script. | 13:31 |
| vi_ | and install i2c tools. | 13:31 |
| vi_ | and install i2ctools. | 13:31 |
| jon_y | to measure the battery charge? | 13:31 |
| vi_ | this will let you read details strait from the 27500 battery controller. | 13:31 |
| jon_y | ok | 13:31 |
| vi_ | In the data it supplies, you will find average current, standby current etc. | 13:32 |
| jon_y | iirc there were 2 versions of the script | 13:32 |
| vi_ | I am not sure. | 13:32 |
| vi_ | I believe there is onnly 1. | 13:32 |
| jon_y | ok | 13:32 |
| vi_ | you are perhaps thinking of the charge21 scriot. | 13:32 |
| vi_ | you are perhaps thinking of the charge21 script. | 13:32 |
| jon_y | maybe I am confusing it with that | 13:32 |
| vi_ | bq27500 just reads the battery cell controller. | 13:33 |
| vi_ | The other is for charging without BME. | 13:33 |
| jon_y | found it http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 | 13:33 |
| vi_ | (BME is nokias secret, closed source, in house, totally shit charging control.) | 13:33 |
| vi_ | my new n900 is rattly :( | 13:34 |
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| jon_y | some sort of charging regulator? | 13:34 |
| vi_ | what is? | 13:34 |
| jon_y | nokia BME | 13:34 |
| vi_ | It is the software part. | 13:34 |
| vi_ | It detects the condition of the USB port and takes the appropriate action. | 13:35 |
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| Lava_Croft | vi_: i never had a N900 that couldnt do service as a kid's toy | 13:45 |
| Lava_Croft | (in relation to the rattling) | 13:45 |
| jon_y | vi_: http://pastebin.com/UiszPK7z | 13:45 |
| vi_ | Lava_Croft: ugh, someone has tried to repair the screen. | 13:45 |
| vi_ | and made a shit job of it. | 13:45 |
| vi_ | some of the screws on the lcd assembly are stripped. | 13:46 |
| Lava_Croft | vi_: the build quality overall is really bad imo | 13:46 |
| vi_ | Also the ribbon connector is different to all the other n900 I have seen. | 13:46 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 13:46 |
| Lava_Croft | fake screen? | 13:46 |
| vi_ | This upper assembly looks and ffels cheap. | 13:46 |
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| vi_ | I have seen the inside of ~6 n900s and this one is different. | 13:46 |
| vi_ | Although it is a 2101, so probably a bit older. | 13:47 |
| jon_y | sounds like some kind of B grade scifi :) | 13:47 |
| vi_ | Lava_Croft: well it does not say 'dexigned in finland' on the back! | 13:47 |
| jon_y | dissecting my phone to find alien material all over | 13:47 |
| Lava_Croft | vi_: heh? | 13:47 |
| vi_ | jon_y: yah, I open n900s, I hate it when they scream. | 13:47 |
| jon_y | :) | 13:48 |
| vi_ | Lava_Croft: on TMO someone got a 'new' n900 that had come from hong kong. | 13:48 |
| jon_y | you open them while they're still running without anesthetics? | 13:48 |
| vi_ | It clearly had a fake plastics retrofitted. | 13:48 |
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| jon_y | how do I get genuine N900s anyway? | 13:48 |
| Lava_Croft | vi_: i have two n900's, one from china and one from thailand | 13:49 |
| vi_ | jon_y: It is a lottery :(. | 13:49 |
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| vi_ | don't buy from the east. | 13:49 |
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| jon_y | :( | 13:49 |
| jon_y | vi_: anything wrong with the pastebin? | 13:50 |
| vi_ | jon_y: run: | 13:51 |
| vi_ | sleep 35; bq27x00 | 13:51 |
| vi_ | quickly lock the screen. | 13:51 |
| vi_ | wait 45s. | 13:51 |
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| jon_y | ok | 13:51 |
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| jon_y | vi_: disconnect charger and wifi? | 13:52 |
| vi_ | jon_y: obviously. | 13:54 |
| vi_ | go offline. | 13:54 |
| jon_y | ok | 13:54 |
| jon_y | vi_: http://pastebin.com/aUK63iCY | 13:57 |
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| vi_ | that looks about right. | 14:02 |
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| vi_ | I expect about 3-5ma standby current on a offline, standby n900. | 14:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | about reasonable | 14:03 |
| jon_y | thanks vi_ | 14:03 |
| jon_y | sometimes when I reboot, I get weird power drains | 14:03 |
| jon_y | tracker/indexer? | 14:04 |
| vi_ | tracker is a great program. | 14:04 |
| vi_ | I do not see what peoples problem is. | 14:04 |
| vi_ | As to what is causing your power drain, I cannot say. | 14:04 |
| jon_y | I mean, is it cause by it running a full scan on reboot? | 14:05 |
| vi_ | jon_y: No. | 14:05 |
| jon_y | ok | 14:05 |
| vi_ | Tracker does not do that. | 14:05 |
| vi_ | If it was tracker, you would see it as one of the top processes in top. | 14:05 |
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| vi_ | have you changed any of trackers settings? | 14:06 |
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| jon_y | I've told it to exclude the other partition on the uSD | 14:06 |
| vi_ | that is ok. | 14:06 |
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| vi_ | It is my opinion that activating throttling and low memory mode etc is stupid. | 14:06 |
| jon_y | there was once that I needed to reboot in order to get all the picture viewer working again | 14:07 |
| jon_y | not sure what happened | 14:07 |
| jon_y | tried to delete the tracker cache manually failed | 14:07 |
| vi_ | Rarely it does get fucked up. | 14:07 |
| vi_ | Install trackercfg | 14:07 |
| jon_y | -r doesn't rerun the tracker either | 14:07 |
| vi_ | It is a nice gui to configure it, | 14:07 |
| jon_y | yeah, I have that | 14:07 |
| vi_ | with 'rebuild database' option. | 14:08 |
| vi_ | Sometimes thumbnailer will fail on a picture and leave a corrupted thumbnail. | 14:08 |
| jon_y | well, after rebooting, it automatically ran a full scan and things are working again | 14:08 |
| jon_y | not sure what happened earlier | 14:08 |
| vi_ | It causes thumbnailer to vomit all over the place, but that is pretty rare in my experience. | 14:09 |
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| jon_y | yeah, all my thumbnail were corrupted earlier until reboot | 14:09 |
| vi_ | jon_y: n900 is like women. | 14:09 |
| vi_ | Sometimes moody. | 14:09 |
| jon_y | :) | 14:09 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders why it doesn't rescan dcim | 14:10 | |
| jon_y | it did for me | 14:10 |
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| jon_y | is the tracker built on inotify? | 14:10 |
| vi_ | tracker is built on... | 14:11 |
| vi_ | tracker. | 14:11 |
| vi_ | OSS program 'tracker'. | 14:11 |
| jon_y | I mean the monitoring system | 14:11 |
| vi_ | any tips for a new 2101 owner? | 14:11 |
| jon_y | it doesn't poll directories periodically right? | 14:11 |
| jon_y | yeah, I have a 2101 | 14:12 |
| vi_ | jon_y: I am not sure how it deals with monitoring. | 14:12 |
| jon_y | lots of funny issues, like u-boot not wanting to start properly sometimes | 14:12 |
| vi_ | jon_y: lame. | 14:12 |
| ShadowJK | I mean I've copied over DCIM images from previous N900s and they dont appear in photos | 14:12 |
| jon_y | oh, refresh the db? | 14:12 |
| vi_ | I almost wish I had kept that n900 for zeq and got him another. | 14:12 |
| vi_ | It was practically mint condition. | 14:13 |
| jon_y | vi_: yeah, only Pali's most recent uboot got it working | 14:13 |
| vi_ | PALI RULEZ \m/ 0 \m/ | 14:13 |
| vi_ | PALI RULEZ \m/ 0_0 \m/ | 14:13 |
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| jon_y | earlier builds caused the kernel to emit cannot mount ubi:0 or some such | 14:13 |
| jon_y | it works if I used flasher to load a kernel | 14:14 |
| jon_y | after a few tries of course | 14:14 |
| jon_y | at which point it can be compared to an old car engine having startup problems | 14:15 |
| vi_ | mmm. | 14:15 |
| vi_ | I think I want another 2104. | 14:15 |
| vi_ | 2101 for mrs vi_ | 14:15 |
| vi_ | she does not neet uboot! | 14:15 |
| vi_ | she does not need uboot! | 14:15 |
| * ShadowJK appears to have 2204 | 14:16 | |
| vi_ | what makes 2204>2104? | 14:16 |
| vi_ | 100 better? | 14:16 |
| jon_y | wait, I think I have a 2204 | 14:16 |
| jon_y | how do I check it from the n900 itself? | 14:16 |
| ShadowJK | I have no clue about differences | 14:16 |
| ShadowJK | cat /proc/cpuinfo | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tracker using inotify | 14:17 |
| jon_y | yes 2204 | 14:17 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: thanks, that confirmed my theories :) | 14:17 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: what is so great about 2204? | 14:17 |
| jon_y | 2204 has lots of problems with u-boot | 14:18 |
| jon_y | like occasionally not booting up properly if rebooted too quickly | 14:18 |
| jon_y | need to use "switch off", wait for 10 seconds before powering on | 14:18 |
| jon_y | do it too quickly and the next boot will hang | 14:19 |
| jon_y | it seems to boot fine after the first fail though, so for now, just an annoyance | 14:19 |
| vi_ | mmm | 14:19 |
| vi_ | I do not have uboot, | 14:19 |
| vi_ | as no other OS seems able to use the n900 as a phone. | 14:20 |
| vi_ | Without a phone the n900 is a shit tablet. | 14:20 |
| ShadowJK | meegoce did | 14:20 |
| vi_ | yeah...meego. | 14:21 |
| vi_ | The most sucessful OS ever. | 14:21 |
| vi_ | The most successful OS ever. | 14:21 |
| vi_ | ? | 14:21 |
| jon_y | btw, any revisions later than 2204? | 14:22 |
| jon_y | I still remember when I first got the n900, the fresh battery could go up to a week | 14:23 |
| vi_ | jon_y: rly? | 14:24 |
| vi_ | o0 | 14:24 |
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| vi_ | great, the back cover is missing the kick stand magnet. | 14:25 |
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| vi_ | Fuck ebay. | 14:25 |
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| gry | you could try to complain, that works at times | 14:25 |
| vi_ | Then I have to send it back. | 14:25 |
| ShadowJK | whoah, new opera version in -devel | 14:26 |
| vi_ | Then I am 2 weeks later still without replacement n900. | 14:26 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK: where have you been? | 14:26 |
| vi_ | opera 12. | 14:26 |
| gry | vi_: yeah, given that they asked me to send a piece of paper back to a fake shoes seller that'd be likely | 14:26 |
| jon_y | vi_: yes, one week | 14:26 |
| ShadowJK | vi_; only check devel every 2 months or so :) | 14:26 |
| * ShadowJK was looking for update to gpodder and/or markets today | 14:27 | |
| vi_ | thgere is a gpodder update? | 14:27 |
| ShadowJK | It seems there isn't | 14:27 |
| ShadowJK | I was just checking. :) | 14:27 |
| jon_y | dude, wtf is with all the linkedin spam I'm getting these days | 14:29 |
| jon_y | I don't even know these people | 14:29 |
| jon_y | is that like facebook for CVs? | 14:30 |
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| ShadowJK | ya | 14:31 |
| ShadowJK | or "facebook for professionals" | 14:32 |
| jon_y | figures | 14:32 |
| marcellus_ | linkedin is a pain in the ass | 14:32 |
| marcellus_ | had it once and cancelled it | 14:32 |
| marcellus_ | I keep getting notifications | 14:32 |
| jon_y | I did use it once to do background check on somebody | 14:33 |
| marcellus_ | if you wanna stop notifications you have to login to a non existing account and change the notification settings... | 14:33 |
| jon_y | no idea if it is even reliable | 14:33 |
| jon_y | login to a non existing account? | 14:33 |
| marcellus_ | I cancelled my account | 14:34 |
| marcellus_ | it does not exist any more | 14:34 |
| marcellus_ | but if I want to stop it, it asks me to login... | 14:34 |
| jon_y | so make a new account with same name just to stop it?? | 14:34 |
| vi_ | linkedin is fucking gay. | 14:36 |
| vi_ | But you need it in order to 'play' the game. | 14:36 |
| vi_ | The chief engineer does not hire you, the HR department does. | 14:37 |
| marcellus_ | it says this credentials were already used for an account | 14:37 |
| marcellus_ | it's a damn catch 22 | 14:37 |
| vi_ | They are not impressed by your leet hax, they are impressed by your gimpy linked in page and how many loltweets you made yesterday. | 14:37 |
| vi_ | My advice: | 14:38 |
| vi_ | Make a professional looking linkedin page, facebook page, twitter account. | 14:38 |
| vi_ | Send all notifications to spam bin. | 14:38 |
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| vi_ | At the very least it will give the HR departments something to look at when they decide whether you are worth their time. | 14:39 |
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| Hurrian | Alright, so I'm heading out for a trip to Hong Kong tomorrow. | 15:34 |
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| Hurrian | Planning to have my N9 and N900 nanocoated. Don't exactly feel like chucking them into a pool, though. | 15:35 |
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| vi_ | nanocoated? | 15:38 |
| Hurrian | The liquipel stuff. | 15:40 |
| Hurrian | I bought a likely stolen CDMA SGS2 off the local version of eBay to have it coated to see if it's legit. | 15:40 |
| Hurrian | ...before chucking my own N9 and N950 into the water, that is | 15:41 |
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| Hurrian | Given, a fully assembled device wouldn't get everything coated, and if it got chucked into a pool of chlorine treated water the results wouldn't be so good. | 15:44 |
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| vi_ | How much does a coating cost? | 15:51 |
| vi_ | List of things broken on my new n900: | 15:55 |
| vi_ | 1. Kickstand magnet, missing. | 15:55 |
| vi_ | 2. Broken stylus, | 15:55 |
| vi_ | 3. Camera shutter sensor not functional. | 15:56 |
| kerio | vi_: QQ moar | 15:56 |
| vi_ | 4. Vibration motor is shagged. | 15:56 |
| kerio | vi_: also make sure the back of the camera sensor is half black half white | 15:56 |
| kerio | or something | 15:56 |
| vi_ | 5. crap all over the inside of the LCD. | 15:56 |
| kerio | "shagged" as in "fucked, but british"? | 15:56 |
| vi_ | 6. Stripped screw heads on slider. | 15:57 |
| vi_ | kerio: yes. | 15:57 |
| vi_ | I cannot believ I paid £100 for this piece of shit. | 15:57 |
| vi_ | very good condition my ass. | 15:58 |
| kerio | hahaha | 15:59 |
| vi_ | more like 'a bit broken but still mostly works. kind of.' condition. | 15:59 |
| vi_ | The question is... | 15:59 |
| vi_ | Do I extract his email cache and fuck with his identity? | 15:59 |
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| jon_y | vi_: do it, you know you want to! | 16:13 |
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| jon_y | for some reason I read "Windows Phone 8" as "Windows Phonet" | 16:14 |
| jon_y | too much n900 | 16:14 |
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| jon_y | wait, you can put the phone in standby? echo mem >/sys/power/state | 16:15 |
| vi_ | just lock the keypad. | 16:16 |
| vi_ | It goes into standby ~10s or so later. | 16:16 |
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| jon_y | aha, I didn't know that | 16:16 |
| vi_ | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-x-FAULTY-NOKIA-N900-Smartphones-/221146454694?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item337d5b1aa6 | 16:19 |
| vi_ | interesting... | 16:19 |
| vi_ | wtf is a 'white' n900? | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe a N900 in a white case? | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jon_y: N900 can suspend_to_RAM, but it's completely useless since A) power consumption is only 3mA less than optimum yero-clock idle state, and B) it wakes up after 10..30s anyway on next unsolicited message from cmt | 16:33 |
| vi_ | I DONT KNOW THE CARRIER FOR THIS BLACK 32 GIG MODEL AND DO NOT HAVE AN SD CARD TO LOAD THE SECURITY SOFTWARE- I DID SEARCH THE WEB FOR INPUT CODES TO FIND THE CARRIER STATUS BUT CANNOT GET THE TELEPHONE KEYPAD TO TAKE LETTERS AS WELL AS NUMBERS SO SELLING AS IT IS BEYOND ME_ TOUCH SCREEN WORKS AS DO PROGRAMS _ SELLING HANDSET ONLY WITH GOOD BATTERY AND TOUCH PEN. | 16:33 |
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| vi_ | ^ from ebay. | 16:33 |
| vi_ | maybe he should have installed *# enabler?! | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nfc | 16:34 |
| fizzie | vi_: The third picture in the ad seems to be the "white model". | 16:34 |
| vi_ | It looks to me that these 2 n900s are fine. | 16:35 |
| vi_ | Just need a reflash. | 16:35 |
| MrPingu | that white one looks sexy IMO | 16:35 |
| vi_ | on closer inspection, they both look fucked. | 16:37 |
| vi_ | http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2-x-FAULTY-NOKIA-N900-Smartphones-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$T2eC16JHJGYE9nooiNV3BQ,t6VDW%28g~~60_10.JPG | 16:37 |
| vi_ | It is so damn hard to find a decent n900 these days. | 16:37 |
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| jon_y | vi_: would get it for £100.00, if I was in the UK | 16:39 |
| jon_y | white case looks like flash reflection | 16:39 |
| vi_ | look at the picture I pasted. | 16:39 |
| vi_ | It is a higher res than you can see on ebay. | 16:40 |
| vi_ | The keyboard is sticking up. | 16:40 |
| jon_y | oh | 16:40 |
| MrPingu | Yeah indeed, however that chrome ring looks cool :P | 16:40 |
| MrPingu | Would love to paint my N900 but don't have the balls/the money to do it | 16:41 |
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| vi_ | MrPingu: all you need is 2 screwdrivers and a rattle can. | 16:41 |
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| MrPingu | Yeah already bought T1-T8 screwdriverset 6 months ago :p | 16:44 |
| MrPingu | and paint from the local hobby/model shop? | 16:45 |
| jon_y | what are you going to paint on it? | 16:46 |
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| vi_ | jon_y: a penguin obviously! | 16:47 |
| akls | vi_, are you here? | 16:47 |
| akls | oh, yes you are! | 16:47 |
| vi_ | NO! | 16:47 |
| jon_y | Union Jack! | 16:47 |
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| MrPingu | jon_y probably paint that alu ring chrome-like | 16:47 |
| vi_ | BRB COFFE | 16:47 |
| jon_y | that early UK pop music stuck in my head | 16:47 |
| akls | vi_, I have a question about this one http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 16:47 |
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| akls | vi_, how can I make xbindkeys to autostart? | 16:47 |
| MrPingu | akls, one moment let me find | 16:48 |
| akls | vi_, I've tried creating an event.d file but seems like it's too early | 16:48 |
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| MrPingu | akls: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83643 | 16:49 |
| akls | MrPingu, AHa! | 16:51 |
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| vi_ | You need to use xsession post scripts | 16:52 |
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| vi_ | or what mr_ping said could work. | 16:54 |
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| vi_ | His way is probably more 'proper'. | 16:54 |
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| akls | MrPingu thank you! :) | 16:58 |
| akls | oh. he left.. | 16:58 |
| akls | vi_, ok! This one is solved! Now how can I make the same keyboard mapping work in easy debian? | 16:58 |
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| MrPingu | wtf, suddenly wifi went down on N900 and always gave me network error | 17:01 |
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| MrPingu | No matter what, tried reloading the drivers but the fscking thing kept giving me network errors and was begging for reboot :( | 17:03 |
| akls | MrPingu, thanks!! : > | 17:03 |
| MrPingu | akls, you are welcome | 17:03 |
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| akls | MrPingu, and maybe you know how to make same keyboard mapping work in easy debian? | 17:04 |
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| MrPingu | akls, copy the keyb map file to ED, I believe | 17:06 |
| MrPingu | Make sure it's in the same directory but then under ED ;) | 17:10 |
| vi_ | akls: That is what I have heard as well | 17:10 |
| vi_ | then you need to run setxkbmap. | 17:10 |
| MrPingu | my acces point is evil? | 17:10 |
| MrPingu | dmesg is spammed with wlan0 deauthenticated | 17:11 |
| vi_ | :0 | 17:11 |
| vi_ | someone is trying to hack your network! | 17:11 |
| vi_ | you are wpa encrypted right? | 17:11 |
| vi_ | what is your ssid? | 17:11 |
| MrPingu | hidden ssid | 17:11 |
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| vi_ | does not matter. | 17:12 |
| MrPingu | wpa2 encrypted | 17:12 |
| vi_ | what is it? | 17:12 |
| vi_ | is it default? | 17:12 |
| vi_ | or did you set it? | 17:12 |
| MrPingu | no I set it | 17:12 |
| MrPingu | but dafuq | 17:12 |
| vi_ | inept hacker? | 17:12 |
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| MrPingu | guess so, wish my hacker good luck with a 63 char random key | 17:13 |
| vi_ | The only time you are going to be flooded with de-auths is when somone is trying to grab your wpa authentication handshake. | 17:13 |
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| MrPingu | vi_: I know | 17:13 |
| vi_ | Or if someone wants to clear everyone off a particular channel to free it up for themselves. | 17:14 |
| MrPingu | can't be | 17:14 |
| vi_ | I want channel 1. | 17:14 |
| MrPingu | neighbors left use c1, on the right they use 11 | 17:14 |
| vi_ | Spam channel 1 with de-auths for 2 months. | 17:14 |
| vi_ | No one else uses channel 1 now. | 17:14 |
| vi_ | I take channel 1. | 17:15 |
| MrPingu | I have c6 | 17:15 |
| MrPingu | the whole street has 1 or 11 | 17:15 |
| MrPingu | only one with 6 here | 17:15 |
| vi_ | heh, you live in the uk? | 17:15 |
| MrPingu | Netherlands ;) | 17:15 |
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| akls | MrPingu, but what about shift+fn+key characters? Are they going to work too? | 17:16 |
| MrPingu | in ED? | 17:16 |
| vi_ | akls: They should do. | 17:16 |
| MrPingu | akls, honestly I have no idea but I guess they should | 17:16 |
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| MrPingu | don't forget like vi_ said to issue setxkbmap | 17:18 |
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| jon_y | how do I stop services from the terminal for the n900? | 17:24 |
| jon_y | and how do I adjust a service so it is not started on boot? | 17:24 |
| jon_y | don't need sysklogd running atm | 17:25 |
| jon_y | ok /etc/init.d/klogd stop | 17:26 |
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| akls | jon_y, maybe it's started from /etc/event.d/ directory? check it | 17:28 |
| jon_y | ok, found update-rc.d | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | akls: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70464 | 17:37 |
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| MrPingu | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks, might good for yappari too | 17:44 |
| MrPingu | *might be | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MrPingu: refresh! | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | akls: maybe not what you want for a run-once app like xmodmap | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I treid to start xchat on maemo4(!) via xsession and it never worked | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tried* | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably an events.d job might be the right one | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or xmodmap would work better from xsession than xchat did | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | according to general X11 rules, stuff like xbindkeys (not xmodmap, sorry) should get started via xsession | 17:52 |
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| MrPingu | Docscrutinizer05, I missed something? refresh? | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, rather | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70464 | 17:57 |
| MrPingu | Ah I see, the edit part | 17:57 |
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| PBeck | hi | 18:05 |
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| MrPingu | PBeck: hi | 18:06 |
| PBeck | i have a problem with my n900. I have tested cssu stable and after the installation my locale settings are broken | 18:06 |
| PBeck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=816659 | 18:06 |
| PBeck | i have already generated the locale, but its not working - my locale archive is 1,2 mb big | 18:08 |
| PBeck | *locale-archive in /usr/lib/locale | 18:08 |
| PBeck | i need a new one? | 18:08 |
| PBeck | in the language settings of the phone is it not possible to change the language its only empty - perhaps it was a problem that i have used german and not english before the upgrade? | 18:09 |
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| vi_ | what happens if two networked printers have the same IP address? | 18:44 |
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| PBeck | selfdestruction :> | 18:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | well, the same that always happens when two NIC 'share' same IP - *MESS* | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | particularly your ARP tables in switch/PCs/etc will always point to that one who answered last on WHOHAS | 18:49 |
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| arvut | hi folks, can I roll back nmap 5.59BETA to 5.50 | 19:07 |
| arvut | ä | 19:07 |
| arvut | ? | 19:07 |
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| MrPingu | yes | 19:16 |
| MrPingu | arvut, apt-get install nmap=5.50-2 | 19:16 |
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| PBeck | so reflash and update to cssu has worked | 19:43 |
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| MrPingu | PBeck, reflash always works | 19:51 |
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| PBeck | MrPingu: :) | 19:56 |
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| akls | MrPingu, vi_ , sorry for that slow answer, but yes, copying rx-51 to ED was enough. Thank you, awesome guys | 20:08 |
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| akls | vi_, haha, another question... :D | 20:09 |
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| akls | vi_, is there something I can bind to alt? | 20:09 |
| akls | vi_, so it's possible to press alt+f4 :D | 20:09 |
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| MrPingu | akls, That would create some sort of 5th level binding :o | 20:11 |
| MrPingu | akls, never tried but I think you would be better off with xbindkeys and bind alt + f4 | 20:12 |
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| akls2 | MrPingu, or maybe I can set some combination to alt down event and some combination to alt up in xbinkkeys | 20:13 |
| akls2 | that's going to work, right? | 20:13 |
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| akls2 | vi_, oh, and another one! can I map some key to "Delete"? I've tried it, but it didn't work | 20:16 |
| MrPingu | akls2, just try | 20:17 |
| MrPingu | akls2, Delete does not work in osso-xterm but it does work in leafpad for example | 20:17 |
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| akls2 | OH. | 20:17 |
| MrPingu | seems delete key is bit tricky under maemo | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 21:22 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: thanks | 21:22 |
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| PBeck | hum is there a other workaround for the communication error (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66870)? i have dissambled the n900 completly and cleaned it | 21:51 |
| PBeck | i have reflashed it and i have done the test with two seperate sim cards | 21:51 |
| PBeck | i think it can be only a connection problem at the motherboard ( i have done the hammer methode, too), any other thoughts? | 21:52 |
| kerio | PBeck: clean sim contacts, buy new sim, buy new n900 | 21:53 |
| kerio | stop when it starts working :) | 21:53 |
| freemangordon | kerio: did you try EDS? | 21:53 |
| kerio | freemangordon: not yet | 21:53 |
| PBeck | checked, checked, brought a s3 *duck* | 21:53 |
| PBeck | *bought | 21:53 |
| kerio | where did you bring it? | 21:54 |
| kerio | ah dammit, too slow | 21:54 |
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| MrPingu | freemangordon: when will bb-power4 added to thumb repo? Right now it's only available from the garagepage | 22:00 |
| freemangordon | fuuu, I forgot that one :D | 22:00 |
| freemangordon | going to compile it | 22:01 |
| MrPingu | no worries | 22:01 |
| Pali | freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05, I will send rx51_battery kernel driver to LKML for comments | 22:02 |
| Pali | I think driver is ready for upstreaming too | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cool | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | Pali: great, but I think they will object because of twl4030-hwmon :( | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | hope I am wrong | 22:03 |
| kerio | what's bb-power4? :O | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, again prior "art" which in fact is crap? | 22:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bb sounds like BB5-cmt | 22:04 |
| kerio | freemangordon: After this operation, 16,4kB of additional disk space will be used. | 22:04 |
| kerio | wtf did you do | 22:04 |
| Pali | also CCing power_supply maintainers | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | kerio: NFC, binaries are smaller | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BB5/cmt has its own battery management entity, though ours is retired and only monitoring | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | I told you apt lies | 22:05 |
| kerio | freemangordon: what about the size of the whole thing tho | 22:05 |
| kerio | you suck | 22:05 |
| kerio | also maybe it's an ubifs thing? | 22:05 |
| kerio | the old binary is more compressible, maybe :3 | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | IDK | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I guess kerio wasn't stringently on bq24150 topic | 22:06 |
| kerio | ooh, there's a new busybox-power | 22:07 |
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| freemangordon | MrPingu: ready | 22:07 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what the hell, i keep having these two or three seconds of ACT_DEAD mode when i reboot | 22:08 |
| kerio | with no charger connected | 22:08 |
| DataGhost | I'm having this weird issue which I've pinned down to python-qt apps (normal Qt apps work fine) but I can't really seem to find the cause... alarmed and syncevolution-frontend (both python-qt apps) don't really show any control outlines, backgrounds etc, just the text (for input boxes this turns out to be black on black). If I run the apps as root, they work fine. I did an strace on alarmed and | 22:08 |
| DataGhost | it showed that user was trying to connect() to /tmp/sapwood-:0.0, which failed with ECONNREFUSED, and root successfully connect()ed to /var/tmp/sapwood-:0.0, which are both not on the filesystem, by the way. Does someone have an idea, does it look familiar and is it fixable? I really can't seem to find the issue online. I'm using the latest CSSU-testing by the way. | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: eh= 2 or 3 seconds? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? even | 22:08 |
| kerio | i shit you not | 22:08 |
| kerio | i get the charging pattern on the led | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: sorry I don't get it | 22:09 |
| kerio | the one that blinks | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 22:09 |
| kerio | and then - untouched - starts properly booting | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, normal | 22:09 |
| kerio | that's ACT_DEAD mode, isn't it | 22:09 |
| kerio | wtf, why is it normal | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NFC | 22:09 |
| kerio | freemangordon: where is EDS used? | 22:09 |
| freemangordon | kerio: everywhere | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | excluding calculator maybe :D | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: lemme put it that way: ACT_DEAD is normal booted-up mode with a few services like X/HD etc not started | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | DataGhost: does it work on device with stock firmware? | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: so during bootup there's a time window where system is basically in ACT_DEAD state, modulo it's continuing to start services | 22:11 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but why does it do the charging pattern? | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because it's charging? | 22:11 |
| freemangordon | DataGhost: when it stopped to work? | 22:11 |
| kerio | <kerio> with no charger connected | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then I dunno | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | probably some transient bogus state of anything | 22:12 |
| kerio | i should probably do another full-reset | 22:12 |
| kerio | or whatever we called it | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I see absolutely same behaviour on my device | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and iirc it's been like this from beginning | 22:12 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon: great! | 22:13 |
| vi__ | set rd mode | 22:13 |
| DataGhost | freemangordon: not the question I was hoping for :P I remember that it worked sometime but I think the last time I used a python-qt app was alarmed and that was in sept 2011. I'm not sure if I installed CSSU before that or not. Do you happen to have either alarmed or syncevolution-frontend on a CSSU'd N900? | 22:13 |
| vi__ | set bootreason to powerbutton flag. | 22:14 |
| vi__ | no more act-dead mode. | 22:14 |
| DataGhost | freemangordon: and it works fine as root so I'm guessing it's related to something in my profile but I have no idea where to start looking | 22:14 |
| vi__ | ever. | 22:14 |
| freemangordon | DataGhost: unfortunately no. But I suspect if it was a general problem with CSSU, there would've been reports to date. afaik alarmed is widely used. BTW what stops you from doing a reflash? | 22:15 |
| MrPingu | DataGhost: I syncevolution-frontend working fine and I am on CSSU-T(thumb) | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DataGhost: I've seen same problem for all I actually seen when I last time updated CSSU, but next boot fixed it | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I hafe NFC what's been the cause | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | have* | 22:16 |
| DataGhost | freemangordon: I'd just rather not reflash because it's quite a hassle to restore everything again and if it's caused by something I set then that won't help anyway. | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DataGhost: anyway the symptom is 'known', and nobody had an answer for me when I asked what's wrong with my device | 22:17 |
| DataGhost | DocScrutinizer05: reboots don't fix it, unfortunately :P | 22:18 |
| Pali | driver sent: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/30/446 | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | Pali: great | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | i suspect it is time for me to subscribe to lkml too :D | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DataGhost: you should /join #maemo-ssu and ask there | 22:19 |
| freemangordon | --- /dev/null | 22:20 |
| freemangordon | +++ kernel-power/drivers/power/rx51_battery.c | 22:20 |
| freemangordon | :D:D:D | 22:20 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ | 22:20 |
| Pali | any problem? patch is correct :-) | 22:21 |
| freemangordon | yeah, it is, it is just funny. you're upstreaming KP :D | 22:21 |
| Pali | I can use any directory name for driver :-) | 22:22 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: I know, but it is still funny to me | 22:22 |
| Pali | $ diff -Nup --label /dev/null --label kernel-power/drivers/power/rx51_battery.c /dev/null rx51_battery.c | 22:22 |
| Pali | I have this for generating patches (to kp tree) ^^^ | 22:23 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ok, I am not saying there is some problem. | 22:23 |
| Pali | :-) | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if there's any convention about path root of a diff patch. patch -p $random always been a PITA for my understanding | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd assume a `patch -p1 ...` should work when your working directory is "root" of the project | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | while patch -p0 should work to restore the file to an identical system with identical project dir | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if your cwd is / | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess... | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your -p1 should probably be a -p2 then | 23:03 |
| DataGhost | DocScrutinizer05 we have the cause :p or at least for my case. python doesn't seem to use $TMPDIR (=/var/tmp) so it uses /tmp instead. setting TMP=$TMPDIR fixes it for me | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | soinds like a bug in python-qt though | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds* | 23:04 |
| DataGhost | yeah. if you have some time, could you look into #maemo-ssu and run one of the commands I mentioned last? | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 23:05 |
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| vi__ | I have just installed debian on my new PC. | 23:05 |
| vi__ | It has xfce. | 23:05 |
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| vi__ | WTF is this shit? | 23:05 |
| vi__ | I want traditional desktop environment paradigms. | 23:05 |
| merlin1991 | then you don't want gnome 3 ;) | 23:06 |
| vi__ | When I am struggling to find xterm, I know a distro has lost it's way. | 23:06 |
| vi__ | WTFucking christ. | 23:07 |
| vi__ | There is no minimise for windows. | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DataGhost: just 15min to finish that movie | 23:07 |
| DataGhost | sure | 23:08 |
| vi__ | There is no 'window list' so I can change what I am doing! | 23:08 |
| akls2 | vi_, install lxde then. | 23:08 |
| Luke-Jr | vi__: so install KDE already | 23:08 |
| vi__ | ...already on it. | 23:08 |
| akls2 | lxde or kde? | 23:08 |
| vi__ | lxde! | 23:08 |
| vi__ | kde has lost its way. | 23:08 |
| vi__ | All I need is a mule, 40 acres and xterm. | 23:09 |
| merlin1991 | dunno xfce works for me | 23:09 |
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| vi__ | You find it more intuitive? | 23:10 |
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| akls2 | merlin1991, what is it for? | 23:10 |
| MrPingu | Indeed all DEs seems to be lost | 23:10 |
| vi__ | MrPingu: lxde! | 23:10 |
| merlin1991 | hm but I do have minimize buttons | 23:11 |
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| * merlin1991 checks what he really runs | 23:11 | |
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| vi__ | ... | 23:11 |
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| vi__ | maybe I am not using xfce... | 23:11 |
| vi__ | then wtf am I running? | 23:12 |
| merlin1991 | well the debian image for xfce has no minimize buttons: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Xfce-4.4.png | 23:12 |
| vi__ | It says 'activities' on the top left. | 23:13 |
| Luke-Jr | vi__: KDE has lost its way - but there's still nothing else reasonable | 23:13 |
| merlin1991 | vi__: debian testing or stable? | 23:13 |
| vi__ | testing. | 23:13 |
| vi__ | My desktop does not look like that. | 23:13 |
| merlin1991 | btw I *do* run xfce but have everything I expect from a desktop (including minimize buttons) | 23:13 |
| vi__ | mmm | 23:13 |
| vi__ | brb, lxde | 23:13 |
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| akls2 | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-10-30-231718_629x64_scrot.png | 23:17 |
| akls2 | but I can't see "d" | 23:17 |
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| merlin1991 | vi___: http://cdnm.at/~christian/xfce.png | 23:19 |
| merlin1991 | that's how xfce on my debian testing looks like | 23:20 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: that looks like an ugly debian2/mate | 23:30 |
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| merlin1991 | why ugly? | 23:31 |
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| MrPingu | looks a bit ugly but it looks functional though | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | ugly? hehe, you should see my XP :D | 23:38 |
| kerio | why the hell are you using an 8 years old OS? | 23:40 |
| kerio | no, 11 | 23:41 |
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| freemangordon | well, I am trying to replace it with some linux, so far the result is that ubuntu and debian does not like HPET :D | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | adn that 64bit ATI divers lock the PC | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | also that debian is missing the firmware for my wireless, so I cannot install it without having it on some storage | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the only ugly thing I can see there is upper left | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ bbl | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | night | 23:46 |
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