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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 00:24 |
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| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer51 | 00:24 |
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| Cor-Ai | hahaha aww | 00:32 |
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| Cor-Ai | your bot DocScrutinizer05? | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | not really | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Tim's | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~owner | 00:41 |
| infobot | TimRiker is my owner | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm only one of the botmasters | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | means I can do some admin tasks | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and I try to keep the knowledge database clean and up to date, for a 0.001% part of it | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aka factoids | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | like | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~power | 00:46 |
| infobot | power is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 00:46 |
| Cor-Ai | DocScrutinizer05: ahh, I see, well it's a cutie :) | 00:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | indeed | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~status | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eh? | 00:54 |
| infobot | Since Tue Oct 23 14:06:35 2012, there have been 3 modifications, 184 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 113 commands. I have been awake for 5d 8h 47m 56s this session, and currently reference 118762 factoids. I'm using about 23856 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1491.16/27.45 child 0/0 | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~useless | 00:54 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer51 in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 00:54 | |
| Cor-Ai | aww | 00:55 |
| Cor-Ai | ~hug | 00:55 |
| Cor-Ai | :( | 00:55 |
| * infobot hugs cor-ai | 00:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | she's slow | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or busy | 00:55 |
| Cor-Ai | haha or both | 00:55 |
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| Cor-Ai | well, shes smarter then mine! hehe | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas I have no access to logs and CPU load | 00:56 |
| Cor-Ai | well, time to sleep! the alarm sounds in 5 hour! nn | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 3 commands you should know: ~help, ~listkeys, ~listvalues | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | night! | 00:58 |
| Cor-Ai | orly? | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~liskeys maemo | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | damn she must be busy | 00:58 |
| Cor-Ai | haha I think she needs some sleep too! | 00:59 |
| Skry | she needs one t | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~listkeys maemo | 00:59 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'maemo' by key (16 of 28): maemo-lists ;; #maemo multiboot ;; mxr.maemo.org ;; maemo-version ;; maemo-man ;; /.maemo-mapper/paths.db ;; maemo-qt ;; #maemo-ssu ot ;; mxr.maemo.org deb ;; maemo-brand ;; maemo-sdk ;; #maemo power ;; maemo-logs ;; repository.maemo.org deb ;; chromium on maemo ;; maemo-down. | 00:59 |
| Cor-Ai | ohh | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~maemo-lists | 01:00 |
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| infobot | i heard maemo-lists is http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~listvalues community | 01:00 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'community' by value (20 of 109): broken-maemo ;; council ;; cssu ;; cssu-optional ;; dway ;; freerunner ;; jargon bonk/oif ;; jargon core ;; jargon gnu ;; jargon phreaking ;; jargon rl ;; jargon tex ;; jargon twenex ;; ltp ;; maemo-lists ;; mailing-lists ;; pcp ;; pigtk ;; polycom ;; progeny+debian. | 01:00 |
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| Cor-Ai | damn I miss my n900 :/ realy have to get my thumb out and order a new usb socket! | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf? | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~listkeys jargon | 01:02 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'jargon' by key (11 of 2335): jargon aluminum book2 ;; jargon baud barf2 ;; jargon block transfer computations ;; jargon bondage-and-discipline language2 ;; jargon book titles8 ;; jargon buffer overflow ;; jargon chrome ;; jargon classic c ;; jargon cokebottle ;; jargon dwim ;; jargon eat flaming death. | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~jargon cokebottle | 01:03 |
| infobot | somebody said jargon cokebottle was /kohk'bot-l/ n. Any very unusual character, particularly one you can't type because it it isn't on your keyboard. MIT people used to complain about the `control-meta-cokebottle' commands at SAIL, and SAIL people complained right back about the `altmode-altmode-cokebottle' commands at MIT. After the demise of the {space-cadet keyboard}, `cokebottle' faded away as serious usage, but was often invoked humorously to ... | 01:03 |
| Skry | mm, I found eggdrop.tar.gz in my backups few weeks back, looked at it and found there was all the scripts, logs, stats and stuff for a bot I ran last time something like 10 years ago on ircnet. Made me feel nostalgic, then old. | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 01:04 |
| Cor-Ai | not old! just not young any more! :D | 01:05 |
| Skry | thats right! :) | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~dict old | 01:06 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'old' (4 of 13): past times (especially in the phrase `in days of old') ;; (used for emphasis) very familiar; "good old boy"; "same old story" ;; of long duration; not new; "old tradition"; "old house"; "old wine"; "old country"; "old friendships"; "old money" ;; \Old\ ([=o]ld), n. Open country. [Obs.] See {World}. --Shak. [1913 Webster]. | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~wiki old | 01:07 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|old|olde}} 'Old' or 'OLD' may refer to: *Old age or, by extension, a description or nickname for someone or something that has endured and become comfortable or widely familiar. *Old, Baranya, Hungary *Old, Northamptonshire, England *Old Town Municipal Airport and Seaplane Base in Old Town, Maine, United States (IATA code) *Old Boys and Old Girls, former pupils of schools in ... | 01:07 |
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| Cor-Ai | haha must try this! | 01:08 |
| Cor-Ai | ~wiki cor-ai | 01:08 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cor-ai (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox television season |season_name=Stargate SG-1" Season 1 |image= |caption=Region 1 DVD cover art | show_name = Stargate SG-1 |dvd_release_date='Region 1': May 22, 2001'Region 2': October 21, 2002'Region 4': March 1, 2004 |country= |network=Showtime |first_aired=July 27, 1997 |last_aired=March 6, 1998 |num_episodes=22 |next_season=Season 2 |}} 'First season' of the military ... | 01:08 |
| Cor-Ai | haha yay | 01:08 |
| Cor-Ai | yeah.. bed.. nn, again! | 01:10 |
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| Skry | ok, me too :D | 01:12 |
| Skry | ~wiki skry | 01:12 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skry (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Citations missing|article|date=January 2011}} {{redirect-distinguish|Scry|Scrye}} (1902, oil on canvas)]] 'Scrying' (also called 'seeing' or 'peeping') is a magic practice that involves seeing things psychically in a medium, usually for purposes of obtaining spiritual visions and less often for purposes of divination or fortune-telling. The most common media used are reflective, ... | 01:12 |
| Skry | ~skrymir | 01:14 |
| Skry | ~wiki skrymir | 01:14 |
| Skry | :S | 01:14 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrymir (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{For|the Marvel Comics character|Utgard-Loki (Marvel Comics)}} [[Image:Louis Huard - Giant Skrymir and Thor.jpg|thumb|200px|[The] Giant Skrymir and Thor (c. 1891), by Louis Huard.]] In Norse mythology, 'Ãtgarða-Loki' (Anglicized as 'Utgarda-Loki' and in other ways) was the ruler of the castle Ãtgarðr in Jötunheimr. He was one of the Jötnar and his name means literally "Loki o | 01:14 |
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| Skry | pff, it appears i cant do the charging thingy with udev after all. funny thing is that i can do it with udev AND systemd.. now, someone is apparently forcing me to do stuff with systemd :) | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the charging thingie shield work under any root permissions. If however you plan to mess around with indicator LED via DBUS msg to MCE, you'll need run-standalone.sh | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/shield/should/ | 01:24 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: the charging thingie should work under any root permissions. If however you plan to mess around with indicator LED via DBUS msg to MCE, you'll need run-standalone.sh | 01:24 |
| Skry | I'm doing the led indicator stuff via sysfs. I just want script to run when charger is plugged in, somehow it sounds stupid that to achieve this I need to use both udev and systemd for the job. | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't see why | 01:28 |
| Skry | there is a timer in udev which kills process if it takes too long | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's needed | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, then run the charger script in a background shell | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | & | 01:28 |
| Skry | ! | 01:28 |
| Skry | oh the fuck I feel stupid | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 01:29 |
| Skry | seriously :D | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some distros have a command like start-daemon or whatever for that | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | run-service | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you get the idea | 01:30 |
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| Skry | yeah. hmm, i suppose i should start the script via flock to prevent it spawning | 01:31 |
| Skry | if someone decides to charger rape his n900 | 01:33 |
| Skry | or bad contact or something so it gets detected multiple times in a row, i have no idea if there is any safety mechanism in udev itself for stuff like that | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | start_daemon: Usage: | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | start_daemon [-f] [-L] [-n +/-<prio>] [-u uid] [-g gid] [-v] [-e] \ | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [-l log|-q|-d] [-p pid_file] [-i ignore_file] [-c root] /path/to/executable [args] | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | won't start a daemon twice, that's what pid_file is for | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd nevertheless suggest to have a look at pali's bq24150.ko module | 01:53 |
| Skry | yeah. flock -n /var/run/charger.lock /bla/bla/charger.sh should do the trick too. | 01:54 |
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| Skry | trouble with using palis module is that last time I tried, it did not work with my current kernel, hooks get called and so on, module reports correct stuff via sysfs but bq27200 reports that battery is discharging | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while charge21.sh is based on what I found out and designed in a few weeks, pali's bq24150.ko is based on what I thought about same topic after 2+ years of pondering it | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course it's not yet as mature as charge21.sh | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's definitely "the future" | 02:00 |
| Skry | anyways, I dont know what the fault was, there has been some problems with musb stack in 3.6.x so it might have been to cause to this behaviour. | 02:00 |
| Skry | dunno | 02:00 |
| Skry | also, pali checked my code so that should not be the issue :) | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it's a kernel module, so likely needs some plumbing to work with a perticular kernel | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and since that's related/linked to musb_hdrc, it's particularly nasty | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can tell since I did a lot of diving into this mess by mentorgrafix called musb_hdrc, for usb hostmode | 02:02 |
| Skry | yeah i believe | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in the end you'll come to the conclusion that a battery charger/maintenance-daemon doesn't match too nicely to userland | 02:04 |
| Skry | already have :) | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo4 has a story to tell about it | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm feeling quite comfortable with all this stuff, since it's system architecture, my primary competence | 02:06 |
| Skry | I'm trying to do this as cleanly as possible so I could have at least some working solution to offer. And once pali gets his module upstreamed I will switch to it immediately | 02:06 |
| Skry | you do seem to possess quite admirable level of knowledge about this stuff | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hoping for upstrem is often just a delusion | 02:07 |
| Skry | well, at least he is trying, sadly i happen to know what is required for it get accepted.. -> lot of work. | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in embedded world you have to accept you sometimes need a partial 'fork' for proper management of your device's peripherals | 02:08 |
| Skry | true. biggest issue for me with the whole Arch project so far has been the sgx chip. | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | upstream either accepts braindamaged crippled retarded drivers and you never can replace the established fsckdup API by something sane (see lis302dl), or you simply can't get your stuff upstream as it's not generic enough | 02:10 |
| Skry | yeah, also true at times | 02:11 |
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| Skry | and currently there aro quite some big changes going at linux-omap at least, which requires developers to adapt to new ways of doing things, and it looks like everything unmaintained is going to become unusable | 02:12 |
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| Skry | and in example omapdss seems to change almost daily :) | 02:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | :-\ | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel lunatics messing up stuff to fubar stae every other week is a long known notorious phenomenon | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | state* | 02:18 |
| Skry | there is nothing wrong with progress and improving everything. It's just sad how much devices are left out of it and those abominable kernel forks are becoming more and more common | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 02:19 |
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| Skry | I've actually bugged quite alot of people around since I first started with N900 and 3.x kernel, I've talked to people from TI, Nokia, Mer, I even harrassed freemangordon to forward port the modem shits. Sad outcome of this is, that there are about a (small) handfull of people with interest of the matter. | 02:25 |
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| Skry | And from those people, there are maybe two or three who could actually do something, but lack the time | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and people like me, who can utter wise comments but never implement any code | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I know how you feel, I've seen that, been thare | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there* | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all SHR (#openmoko-cdevel) is a distro meant to run on N900 too | 02:29 |
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| Skry | I've done some mad packaging magic to get all closed bits working, and done compromises I would never even considered making. I've spent _shitloads_ of hours trying to figure out how to make this and that so everything does not break, compiling kernels, automating packaging, compiling some more, writing udev rules and shit like that. | 02:30 |
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| Skry | And all in all, it's all for nothing | 02:30 |
| Skry | I cant port those missing/not working drivers, and every kernel release breaks more stuff and there is no-one to fix it. | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should talk to SHR folks | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | over at #openmoko-cdevel | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gnutoo, jama, mrmoku... | 02:32 |
| Skry | well, this unknown obvious person already contacted me about shr related stuff, I handed him my kernel config and link to my github page. | 02:32 |
| Skry | i guess the most fundamental problem is that people capable are all spread over different projects | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | that | 02:34 |
| Skry | can't blame them, I too have no interest in any other distribution than Arch. | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | at some point, spending money actually works | 02:34 |
| Skry | ofc I'm glad to share anything I do, and help and such | 02:34 |
| Skry | money is sadly something I dont have any to spare :\ | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean to get people who have to concentrate on what you tell them to do | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | otherwise, you either need to energise them in a community, or give it up. | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | or do it yourself. | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | by which time you finish all but the smallest project, nobody cares. | 02:37 |
| Skry | yeah, very true. | 02:37 |
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| internetishard | can I compile a new openssh for maemo? | 02:37 |
| * SpeedEvil hopes in a couple of years nobody will care about maemo. | 02:37 | |
| internetishard | the old version doesn't have some support that I need | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I "wasted" like 3 years of 50%..75% part time "job" to maemo (and openmoko, after the Inc gone bonkers), but since a year I can't do that anymore, my monetary reserves are used up and I need to do 'real' work for my bagels | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | because Jolla will be awesome | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | at some point even diehards lose focus, or even die. | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | internetishard: I can't see any obstacles | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I did that | 02:39 |
| internetishard | ecdsa asks for a password when using the key even thought it is passwordlessss | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | it was annoying for a reason I forget | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | internetishard: permissions problem? | 02:39 |
| Skry | I've got the impression that Jolla is going to just grab Mer as a base and just pour their closed source stuff all over it.. :\ | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | it depends. | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | actually closed source = bad | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | closed source, with well documented APIs - hmm. | 02:40 |
| internetishard | SpeedEvil: no idea | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | latest rumour has it they will jump to tizen | 02:40 |
| internetishard | chmod 600 on they key.. | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | closed - from a buisness sense of licencing, but with source available, awesome | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | internetishard: and the parent dir? | 02:41 |
| Skry | anyways, it's Finnish company so I will support it nevertheless. | 02:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | non free licence with the ability of third parties to buy licences for other hardware - possibly awesome | 02:42 |
| Skry | i have no trouble with closed source if it is done properly, and maintained properly | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | memo style - sorta meh | 02:43 |
| Skry | meh | 02:49 |
| Skry | :) | 02:49 |
| internetishard | SpeedEvil: bah, it still thinks it needs a password too | 02:51 |
| internetishard | ecdsa is pretty new to ssh... | 02:51 |
| internetishard | version on here is 5.1, but on the server 6.1... | 02:52 |
| internetishard | Can I compile a new version on maemo? | 02:52 |
| internetishard | I'd like to do the same with sshfs | 02:52 |
| Skry | anyways, after opening up, I would like to ask any of you who could actually do something to the kernel modules, to consider doing some forward porting. Most of the drivers that are more or less broken (sensors, audio) should be pretty easy to fix. Also, bluetooth driver needs forward porting. | 02:55 |
| internetishard | Ok, apparently the version of ssh on maemo doesn't support ecdsa, so I need to compile a new version of ssh and sshfs - how do I do this? | 02:55 |
| Skry | Also, few of us are on #maemo-alternatives, if some feel they could answer stupid questions of me _trying_ to do that shit, feel free to join. | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I just copied / into a chroot, installed build-essentials from tools in that chroot, and went from there | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | there are probably better ways | 02:57 |
| internetishard | SpeedEvil: is that to me? | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 02:57 |
| internetishard | I can just download the regular openssh source and it will build on maemo? | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | from memory, yes | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | it's been a while thoyg | 02:58 |
| internetishard | interesting | 02:59 |
| internetishard | like, from the busybox repo? | 03:00 |
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| internetishard | SpeedEvil: what would you choose? | 03:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 03:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | I think I just grabbed openssl latest | 03:03 |
| internetishard | I'm talking about ssh here | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | and SSH | 03:03 |
| internetishard | from??? | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | why do you want SSH | 03:04 |
| internetishard | like I said, I need new ssupport | 03:04 |
| internetishard | in order to connect to servers using ecdsa keys | 03:04 |
| internetishard | SpeedEvil: soooo where do I get teh source? | 03:05 |
| internetishard | DocScrutinizer? | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | the SSH source repo | 03:11 |
| Skry | how about openssh.org? | 03:11 |
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| Skry | shouldnt really be that hard to find | 03:12 |
| internetishard | I didn't think you could just get any linux package and compile it on arm | 03:12 |
| Skry | most of the time you can, sometimes it's not that easy | 03:15 |
| Skry | like in this case :) | 03:15 |
| internetishard | oh, you're saying it won't work... | 03:16 |
| Skry | if the required libraries in maemo are new enough for latest openssh, you should have no trouble | 03:16 |
| internetishard | :( | 03:16 |
| internetishard | This is no fun | 03:16 |
| Skry | just try it | 03:16 |
| beford | maybe its "easy" using a chroot? | 03:17 |
| beford | since you only need a client | 03:17 |
| Skry | I'm not saying it wont work, I'm saying there is a possibility it wont work | 03:17 |
| internetishard | chroot for what? | 03:17 |
| beford | a debian release with a newer version of ssh | 03:18 |
| internetishard | ohhh | 03:18 |
| internetishard | "use fkn debian, son" | 03:18 |
| internetishard | I never do that :X | 03:18 |
| internetishard | I should | 03:18 |
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| Skry | I hate when that happens. Usually I just grunt a simple "No, I don't want to." | 03:25 |
| Skry | (use debian) | 03:25 |
| gry | why not? | 03:26 |
| Skry | why should I? | 03:26 |
| gry | i only used debian based OSs and don't dislike them yet | 03:27 |
| gry | what do you use? | 03:27 |
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| Skry | Arch | 03:28 |
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| internetishard | I use arch too | 03:28 |
| internetishard | I guess I could use arch in the maemo chroot instead! | 03:29 |
| Skry | Sure | 03:29 |
| internetishard | there a downside of using a different distro from debian on maemo? | 03:29 |
| internetishard | or rather "for the maemo chroot" | 03:29 |
| Skry | depends on what you're doing with it | 03:30 |
| Skry | commandline stuff should be a breeze | 03:30 |
| Skry | gry: I'm not saying I dislike debian, I just find few other distros to be more appealing to me personally. I've used debian in a past for quite some time. | 03:31 |
| gry | nod | 03:33 |
| Skry | in the end it's just the same what you use, but I do tend to recommend the more minimalistic approach usually, and Mint for beginners (going to change that habit though) | 03:35 |
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| Skry | hmm, off to take care of the snakes, bbl | 03:42 |
| gry | :) | 03:46 |
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| Skry | pissed off blood python == no fun | 04:03 |
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| jargon- | anybody else having performance problems with opera mini on the latest cssu? freezing, draining the battery? | 10:20 |
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| jargon- | opera mobile* | 10:27 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: I'm having problems loading the stock wifi drivers for some reason | 11:18 |
| jon_y | unknown symbol ieee80211.... | 11:18 |
| jon_y | modprobe wl12xx says wl1251_api module not found | 11:19 |
| jon_y | any ideas? | 11:19 |
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| vi_ | is tmp mounted in ram? | 11:27 |
| vi_ | or is it var? | 11:27 |
| joga | it's tmpfs so ram | 11:31 |
| vi_ | so if I copy something to /tmp and symlink to it, it will be read from ram? | 11:32 |
| joga | (though, well, also swap I guess) | 11:32 |
| joga | yes | 11:32 |
| vi_ | ...mmmm | 11:32 |
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| joga | assuming it's currently in ram, I'm not really sure how maemo does swapping etc | 11:32 |
| vi_ | joga: badly | 11:32 |
| joga | you can also create your own tmpfs with a size you choose if you want | 11:33 |
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| vi_ | holy shit. | 11:36 |
| vi_ | mv /usr/share/hildon /tmp/hildon | 11:39 |
| vi_ | symlink it back. | 11:39 |
| vi_ | menu works like it is on hypercrack. | 11:39 |
| vi_ | and it only costs 2kb of ram! | 11:41 |
| vi_ | (I guess). | 11:41 |
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| jon_y | awesome, wl12xx problem fixed | 11:45 |
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| jon_y | something left an entry in /etc/modprobe/* to redirect to wl1251_spi | 11:45 |
| vi_ | what was the problem? | 11:46 |
| entitled | does power kernel use lower voltage on default? | 11:46 |
| entitled | seems like I solved the annoying network lost/connection dropping issue | 11:46 |
| jon_y | vi_: wifi stock drivers no longer loading | 11:47 |
| jon_y | insmod wl12xx says wl1251_spi is missing | 11:47 |
| entitled | it doesen't happen when I overclock 805mhz (instead of using the stock 600mhz) | 11:47 |
| jon_y | *modprobe wl12xx | 11:48 |
| jon_y | insmod wl12xx.ko says ieee80211_* unknown symbol | 11:48 |
| vi_ | Do you think if I set 'nice -19 'rtcom-call-ui' ' | 11:48 |
| jon_y | rebooting into the stock kernel won't work either, due to the /etc/modprobe.d entry | 11:48 |
| vi_ | I will never miss another call? | 11:49 |
| jon_y | :) | 11:49 |
| jon_y | sometimes, the UI rotate breaks things | 11:49 |
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| jon_y | accept call button is under the bottom of the screen | 11:49 |
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| StyXman | vi_: sound worth a test | 11:51 |
| StyXman | sounds* | 11:51 |
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| vi_ | mmm | 11:54 |
| vi_ | ionice | 11:54 |
| StyXman | heeh | 11:55 |
| StyXman | vi_: do you plan to do some kind of benchmarks? | 11:55 |
| vi_ | nope, just empirical. | 11:57 |
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| vi_ | I wonder what else I could ionice | 11:58 |
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| vi_ | camera | 11:59 |
| vi_ | realtime priority XD | 12:00 |
| StyXman | :) | 12:01 |
| vi_ | blessn900 | 12:03 |
| vi_ | .. | 12:03 |
| vi_ | no wait, it still runs like shit. | 12:03 |
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| jon_y | Pali: how do I set the default uboot choice? | 14:02 |
| jon_y | also, thanks for the new uboot release | 14:02 |
| jon_y | now working on my n900 | 14:02 |
| Pali | jon_y, read first post http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 14:03 |
| Pali | ~u-boot | 14:03 |
| Pali | ~u-boot is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 14:03 |
| infobot | Pali: okay | 14:03 |
| jon_y | Pali: thanks | 14:05 |
| jon_y | ~kp | 14:06 |
| infobot | it has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' | 14:06 |
| jon_y | ~kernel-power | 14:06 |
| jon_y | I thought I've seen KP52 somewhere but apt-get update says nothing | 14:07 |
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| jon_y | ~fb-progress | 14:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~u-boot | 14:35 |
| infobot | somebody said u-boot was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~forget u-boot | 14:35 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: i forgot u-boot | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~#maemo u-boot is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 14:36 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer51 | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~u-boot | 14:36 |
| infobot | i guess u-boot is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~listkeys kp | 14:39 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'kp' by key (18 of 228): .kp ;; cmd: cheekpoke (.*?) ;; darkpheonix ;; finkployd ;; gnome2.2 backport ;; ikp ;; kp ;; kpilot ;; kplot3d ;; make-kpgk ;; mkpasswd ;; php4 backport ;; teamwave workplace ;; toolbox _backpat ;; unlockpro ;; weathercode atakpame ;; weathercode kp67 ;; weathercode kpcu. | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~listvalues kernel power | 14:40 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'kernel power' by value returned no results. | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~listvalues kernel | 14:40 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'kernel' by value (16 of 654): /etc/modules ;; 1.1 ;; 2.4.15 ;; 2.4.20 ;; 2.6 ;; a3com ;; char major 10 ;; ext2online ;; i cannot vouch for how the "new" makefile system ;; in which package ;; jimbuzbee ;; just the basics, i.e. how ;; kernel core dump ;; kernel dhcp ;; kernel symlinks ;; kernel version. | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~listkeys #maemo | 14:41 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '#maemo' by key (9): #maemo omp ;; #maemo multiboot ;; #maemo #DEL# ;; #maemo-ssu ot ;; #maemo closed_packages ;; #maemo u-boot ;; #maemo multinoot #DEL# ;; #maemo power ;; chan #maemo #DEL#. | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: please define factoid '#maemo kp' | 14:42 |
| Pali | ok | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | whenever infobo/Tim bites the dust, we're doomed | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: ~#maemo kp is <reply>learn about KernelPower you read t.m.o/thread99999post1, to install latest version yougo there: pakages.maemo.org/kp58 | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: sorry I don't have the correct links at hand | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: such factoid will override ~kp in here (#maemo) | 14:54 |
| Pali | ~#maemo kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 14:54 |
| infobot | okay, Pali | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~kp | 14:55 |
| infobot | kp is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-) | 14:55 |
| Pali | :-) | 14:55 |
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| Guest18322 | hello | 15:28 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer51: do you happen to know how to debug a power regression? | 15:31 |
| jon_y | battery use shot up for some reason | 15:31 |
| jon_y | I thought it was the bleeding edge wifi drivers, but I switched to stock already | 15:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | powertop can help | 15:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | jon_y: afk right now, look around the links from | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ~power | 15:35 |
| infobot | rumour has it, power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 15:35 |
| jon_y | ok | 15:35 |
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| vi_ | jon_y: You know power top right? | 15:39 |
| vi_ | You need 2 tools. | 15:39 |
| vi_ | powertop and htop. | 15:39 |
| jon_y | what else? | 15:39 |
| vi_ | Do you know powertop? | 15:39 |
| jon_y | ok | 15:39 |
| jon_y | not really, I'm new to it | 15:40 |
| vi_ | you know how to use xterm? | 15:40 |
| jon_y | yes | 15:40 |
| vi_ | phew! | 15:40 |
| vi_ | install powertop and htop from devel. | 15:40 |
| jon_y | ok, done | 15:40 |
| vi_ | put the phone into offline mode. | 15:40 |
| jon_y | just installed | 15:41 |
| jon_y | ok | 15:41 |
| vi_ | run: | 15:41 |
| vi_ | sleep 30; powertop | 15:41 |
| jon_y | disconnect charger too right? | 15:41 |
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| vi_ | quickly lock the screen and put the phone down and wait for ~1.1minute. | 15:41 |
| vi_ | jon_y: yes | 15:41 |
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| vi_ | jon_y: have you installed pastebinit? | 15:42 |
| jon_y | not yet | 15:42 |
| vi_ | wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pastebinit/pastebinit_1.3-4_all.deb | 15:43 |
| vi_ | that is the latest pastebinit from debian sid. | 15:43 |
| jon_y | ok, I'll try to install it after I get back on | 15:43 |
| vi_ | it installs good. | 15:43 |
| jon_y | or use sprunge | 15:43 |
| vi_ | or sprunge if you want, pastebinit has more choices though. | 15:44 |
| vi_ | anyways, pastebinit the output from powertop. | 15:44 |
| vi_ | BRB COFFEE. | 15:44 |
| jon_y | ok powertop output is back | 15:45 |
| jon_y | anything in particular to look for? | 15:46 |
| vi_ | yes, programs that are causing wakeups! | 15:50 |
| vi_ | Time in C4 etc. | 15:50 |
| vi_ | Just pastebinit that shit. | 15:50 |
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| jon_y | vi_: http://sprunge.us/ZRUd | 15:53 |
| jon_y | I hope 1150 MHz doesn't mean cpu freq | 15:54 |
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| vi_ | jon_y: no | 15:54 |
| jon_y | ok, any obvious culprits? | 15:55 |
| vi_ | no | 15:55 |
| vi_ | this is bizzare. | 15:55 |
| jon_y | which part? | 15:55 |
| vi_ | useually when your cpu is being stuck in C1 and never reaching C4 there is something spamming wakeups. | 15:56 |
| vi_ | THere appears to be nothing spamming wakeups, yet your device is not going into C4. | 15:56 |
| jon_y | does battery eye do that? | 15:56 |
| jon_y | it was in the background | 15:56 |
| vi_ | jon_y: No, batteryeye only wakes up like 1/minute or something. | 15:57 |
| ShadowJK | was charger connected? | 15:57 |
| vi_ | While it does not help, it is not really a problem. | 15:57 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK: no. | 15:57 |
| jon_y | no, it was disconnected when I ran sleep 30; powertop | 15:57 |
| vi_ | jon_y: Run powertop. | 15:58 |
| vi_ | Sort by time. | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | this looks like something that would show up on normal top | 15:58 |
| vi_ | look for anything odd. | 15:58 |
| jon_y | what is the arg to sort by time? | 15:58 |
| * ShadowJK doesnt know powertop sort by time :) | 15:58 | |
| vi_ | ignore that. | 15:58 |
| vi_ | total horse shit. | 15:58 |
| vi_ | I meant, run htop, sort by time. | 15:58 |
| jon_y | ok, any arguments? | 15:59 |
| vi_ | no | 15:59 |
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| jon_y | how do I sort by time? | 16:00 |
| vi_ | shift+t | 16:01 |
| jon_y | Xorg taking up mos of the time | 16:01 |
| vi_ | http://pastebin.com/eeV6BGL8 | 16:01 |
| vi_ | jon_y: that is normal | 16:02 |
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| vi_ | try sorting by CPU | 16:02 |
| vi_ | shift+p | 16:02 |
| jon_y | htop taking most cpu | 16:02 |
| jon_y | next is xorg | 16:03 |
| jon_y | 7% and 3% | 16:03 |
| vi_ | Is anything else activley running? | 16:03 |
| jon_y | no, I exit everything | 16:03 |
| jon_y | just xterm and htop | 16:03 |
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| vi_ | You have any dumb widgets? | 16:04 |
| vi_ | Ok, lets try a reset. | 16:04 |
| jon_y | recaller? | 16:04 |
| jon_y | advanced interface switcher | 16:04 |
| vi_ | jon_y: In my experiance recaller is generally safe. | 16:05 |
| vi_ | possibly. | 16:05 |
| jon_y | yeah, it isn't new | 16:05 |
| vi_ | AIS caused nothing but ballache for me. | 16:05 |
| jon_y | only recently experiencing power problems | 16:05 |
| vi_ | please try a reset. | 16:05 |
| jon_y | reboot? | 16:05 |
| vi_ | i.e. poweroff, pull battery for 30s, power up. | 16:05 |
| jon_y | ok | 16:05 |
| vi_ | wait 3-4minutes for device to settle then go into offline mode. | 16:06 |
| vi_ | Run sleep 30; powertop again. | 16:06 |
| jon_y | pulled out the battery, waiting | 16:07 |
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| jon_y | leaving the device to charge for 5 minutes | 16:09 |
| jon_y | battery nearly dead | 16:09 |
| jon_y | running powertop | 16:16 |
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| jon_y | damn, log.txt earlier was from root, overwrite failed, rerunning | 16:19 |
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| jon_y | way, powertop segfault when run as user | 16:22 |
| jon_y | redoing as root | 16:22 |
| jon_y | vi_: http://sprunge.us/Adja | 16:26 |
| jon_y | ShadowJK: still lots of wakeups? | 16:27 |
| ShadowJK | Well I'm not sure if I'd call it wakeup, it's like it doesn't enter sleep much at all | 16:28 |
| jon_y | :( | 16:28 |
| ShadowJK | but actual wakeups from processes is very small | 16:28 |
| jon_y | stuff in the kernel? | 16:29 |
| ShadowJK | This looks so weird | 16:29 |
| jon_y | lsmod output http://sprunge.us/jWFL | 16:30 |
| ShadowJK | is this kernel-power? | 16:30 |
| jon_y | yeah | 16:30 |
| jon_y | kp51r1 | 16:30 |
| jon_y | anything weird in lsmod? | 16:33 |
| ShadowJK | There are several things in that powertop output that contradicts itself: | 16:33 |
| ShadowJK | C0 is high, but core, mpu and neon are almost all "off" | 16:33 |
| ShadowJK | C0 is high, but avg duration for C4 is high | 16:34 |
| jon_y | it wakes but not do anything? | 16:34 |
| ShadowJK | the first bit says cpu is on, last part of powertop says it's off | 16:34 |
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| jon_y | ok, how is that possible? | 16:35 |
| ShadowJK | yeah it isn't | 16:36 |
| jon_y | time to wipe the phone? :( | 16:36 |
| vi_ | sorry, was at work. | 16:36 |
| jon_y | vi_: any idea on ShadowJK's comments? | 16:37 |
| vi_ | shadowjk has more or less said it. | 16:37 |
| jon_y | :( | 16:37 |
| vi_ | It makes no freaking sense, | 16:37 |
| vi_ | . | 16:37 |
| vi_ | Time to either: | 16:37 |
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| vi_ | 1. restore a backup. | 16:37 |
| vi_ | 2. Start uninstalling the last things you have installed. | 16:37 |
| jon_y | I'm fine with wiping | 16:38 |
| vi_ | 3. full re-flash. | 16:38 |
| jon_y | does /home/user get wiped out on reflash? | 16:38 |
| ShadowJK | Does it actually consume lots of power too? | 16:39 |
| ShadowJK | Yesh, I think so | 16:39 |
| jon_y | ok, need to back that up too | 16:39 |
| jon_y | half battery life in 3 hours | 16:39 |
| jon_y | also, it was warming up my pocket | 16:39 |
| vi_ | can you run this script: | 16:40 |
| ShadowJK | warming up pocket is good enough indication that it's indeed consuming lots of power | 16:41 |
| vi_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking#Analyze_kernel_system_frequency_use_percentage | 16:41 |
| jon_y | the last time I remembered that happen was when I ran the wifi eye program | 16:41 |
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| jon_y | but a reboot fixed the power issue | 16:41 |
| jon_y | that was then | 16:41 |
| jon_y | I don't think I installed kernel-power-settings | 16:44 |
| ShadowJK | wifieye sometimes leaves wifi on without powersaving, and soemtimes leaves parts of itself running too | 16:44 |
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| jon_y | ShadowJK: /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp no such file | 16:47 |
| jon_y | any ideas? | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | bq module not loaded | 16:48 |
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| ShadowJK | Ive never used it | 16:48 |
| jon_y | safe to modprobe? | 16:48 |
| ShadowJK | probably | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | jon_y: are you on 2g or 3g? | 16:50 |
| jon_y | http://sprunge.us/cBKa | 16:50 |
| jon_y | 3G | 16:50 |
| freemangordon | data connection active? or you are on wifi? | 16:51 |
| jon_y | wifi, but it is normally off | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | do you have u-boot? | 16:51 |
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| jon_y | yes | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | which version? | 16:51 |
| jon_y | pali's most recent | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | as there was a broken one with disabled L2 cache | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | ok, if you are sure | 16:52 |
| jon_y | 2012.10-rc3-1 | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | ok | 16:52 |
| jon_y | 2G signal kind of sucky at office for some reason | 16:53 |
| jon_y | 3G can get calls through | 16:53 |
| freemangordon | jon_y: anything in dmesg? | 16:55 |
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| jon_y | freemangordon: anything to grep for? | 16:57 |
| freemangordon | no, just look at it | 16:58 |
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| freemangordon | or pastebin it (or whatever you use) | 16:58 |
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| jon_y | freemangordon: http://sprunge.us/YYAB | 16:59 |
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| jon_y | seems like it was cut by sprunge | 17:00 |
| jon_y | actually, the latest powertop shows some changes | 17:01 |
| jon_y | c0 98.5% | 17:01 |
| jon_y | C1 1.5% 20.5ms avg | 17:02 |
| jon_y | C2 0% 0.5ms avg | 17:02 |
| jon_y | c3 and c4 shows nothing | 17:02 |
| Jay_BEE | Question: Since when does a 'new' N900, come pre-installed with applications like balloonpopperfree, battery-eye, BlessN900, Catorise? | 17:03 |
| jon_y | 2nd hand N900? | 17:03 |
| jon_y | value added addons? | 17:03 |
| Jay_BEE | hehehe | 17:03 |
| Jay_BEE | Mind you this came from eBay and was listed as 'New'. | 17:04 |
| jon_y | you belived the ad? :) | 17:04 |
| freemangordon | jon_y: EXT4-fs? | 17:04 |
| Jay_BEE | unfortunately yes, because the seller had a good rating and the option to purchase a warranty was there | 17:05 |
| jon_y | freemangordon: I don't believe I actually have any ext4 volumes | 17:05 |
| freemangordon | "EXT4 FS on mmcblk1p2, internal journal on mmcblk1p2:8" | 17:05 |
| freemangordon | :P | 17:05 |
| jon_y | oh taht | 17:05 |
| jon_y | it was easy debian | 17:05 |
| jon_y | now I remember | 17:06 |
| jon_y | it's just sitting there though since cssu decided to mount everything these days | 17:06 |
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| Hurrian | Jay_BEE, those are definitely not "new". | 17:06 |
| Hurrian | unless the seller advertised it with the apps preinstalled, ask for a refund or something | 17:06 |
| Jay_BEE | Hurrian: I see. | 17:06 |
| Jay_BEE | Hurrian: yes, I am sending it back today. | 17:07 |
| freemangordon | jon_y: did you connect n900 via usb cable? ac ouple of times? | 17:07 |
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| jon_y | freemangordon: yes | 17:07 |
| freemangordon | hmm, okm | 17:07 |
| Hurrian | also, run "cat /dev/mtd2" to check for crashes | 17:07 |
| Jay_BEE | the seller said " Based on our understanding, there are a few different versions of Nokia N900, and we are not certain if they are all the same in term of applications installed. Or a wrong item might be sent to you. " | 17:07 |
| freemangordon | nothing weird in dmesg | 17:07 |
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| Hurrian | Jay_BEE, run "sudo strings /dev/mtd1ro" to check for kernel flashes too ;) | 17:10 |
| vi_ | so you bought a 'new' n900 that the seller has allready fucked around with? | 17:10 |
| vi_ | Fuck that. | 17:10 |
| vi_ | Welcome to re-flashville, population: YOU. | 17:11 |
| Jay_BEE | and this seller, hsc-digital, is based in the US | 17:11 |
| vi_ | ~flash | 17:11 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:11 |
| Jay_BEE | I'm sending it back today. | 17:11 |
| vi_ | Why are you sending it back? | 17:11 |
| Jay_BEE | it's not new | 17:12 |
| vi_ | good enough. | 17:12 |
| Jay_BEE | it was sold as 'new | 17:12 |
| Jay_BEE | ' | 17:12 |
| ShadowJK | they probably sold a second hand as new, and forgot to wipe it first? sloppy | 17:12 |
| Jay_BEE | yup | 17:12 |
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| ShadowJK | you'll get the same one back, but wiped. lol. | 17:12 |
| vi_ | If it was new, it would have a dark screen foil and a pair of unmolested ear-buds. | 17:12 |
| Jay_BEE | ShadowJK: yep lol | 17:12 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK: eugh. | 17:12 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK: eww | 17:12 |
| Skry | just keep it and bitch some of your money back | 17:12 |
| Hurrian | vi_, I kept my box, the dark foil and the ear buds in the plastic. | 17:13 |
| Hurrian | With a can of air, I can get rid of the dust inside the thing. | 17:13 |
| vi_ | Hurrian: You are 1 in 2 ppl that I know of who does that. | 17:13 |
| Hurrian | what's important is checking the flash logs in mtd1 ;) | 17:13 |
| vi_ | I am the second. | 17:13 |
| Skry | I have box i mint condition, device however.. D | 17:13 |
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| Jay_BEE | hah | 17:13 |
| vi_ | ebay is full of bastards. | 17:13 |
| raccoon_ | yeah the box is easy to keep mint, that's not the one you use ;) | 17:14 |
| Hurrian | Skry, I wonder how people scuff up their N900s | 17:14 |
| vi_ | and ol'man ebay does not give a shit. | 17:14 |
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| Hurrian | my spare device has been dropped quite a few times and looks just as mint as my princess N900. | 17:14 |
| Hurrian | I mean, I saw some people shatter the back cover. | 17:14 |
| Hurrian | Natch. | 17:14 |
| vi_ | I wont even let mine out of the drawer without a screen protector! | 17:14 |
| ShadowJK | lol, i just checked mtd2 on my N900. this n900 was from Nokia Care after first died | 17:15 |
| vi_ | Jay_BEE: How much did you pay? | 17:15 |
| Jay_BEE | what's the default password for 'sudo'? | 17:15 |
| Hurrian | Jay_BEE, none! | 17:15 |
| Jay_BEE | vi_: $229 | 17:15 |
| ShadowJK | it has evidence someone else used it before | 17:15 |
| Hurrian | Ouch. Pricey. | 17:15 |
| vi_ | Jay_BEE: Is it in more or less mint condition? | 17:15 |
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| Jay_BEE | it appears to be in mint condition | 17:15 |
| vi_ | no scratches, not even minor ones. | 17:16 |
| Hurrian | Jay_BEE, if sudo asks for a password, install sudser/rootsh from Extras | 17:16 |
| Skry | Hurrian: yeah well, I did work at construnctions for year and a half with N900 so it kinda shows | 17:16 |
| Jay_BEE | vi_: it's mint as far as I can tell | 17:16 |
| vi_ | the slider is still crisp and clunk-clicks like a new mercedes door? | 17:16 |
| Hurrian | Jay_BEE, don't call it mint until you check mtd1. | 17:16 |
| Jay_BEE | vi_: :) yes | 17:16 |
| vi_ | Hurrian: How do I check mtd1?? | 17:16 |
| Jay_BEE | Hurrian: I was talking to the physical appearance | 17:17 |
| Hurrian | vi_, "# strings /dev/mtd1ro" | 17:17 |
| Hurrian | kernel flashes should be blatantly obvious, if you see "-power(x)" in there. | 17:17 |
| vi_ | what is the ordering? | 17:18 |
| vi_ | oldest stuff first? | 17:18 |
| vi_ | dur, obviously. | 17:18 |
| Hurrian | vi_, yup | 17:18 |
| Jay_BEE | I'm not going to install anything to it, I'm returning it today and wait for the seller to resend this or another one, hopefully properly reflashed hehehe | 17:18 |
| vi_ | eh? | 17:19 |
| Hurrian | "ConF \n kernel-ver \n 2.6.28.10*" = non-virgin device. | 17:19 |
| vi_ | My one appears to have had the product code changed? | 17:19 |
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| Hurrian | people change the product code on N900s? | 17:20 |
| vi_ | Hurrian: could you pastebin your mtd1? | 17:21 |
| vi_ | you dont have to if you dont want ofc. | 17:21 |
| Hurrian | vi_, just a sec. | 17:21 |
| vi_ | Hurrian: ty | 17:22 |
| jon_y | vi_: is C1 power saving state? | 17:24 |
| jon_y | --------+--------+----------+-----------+--------+ | 17:24 |
| jon_y | C0 | 98.4% | | 1150 MHz | nan% | | 17:24 |
| jon_y | C1 | 1.6% | 51.1ms | | 17:24 |
| jon_y | C2 | 0.0% | 0.1ms | | 17:24 |
| jon_y | C3 | 0.0% | | | 17:24 |
| jon_y | C4 | 0.0% | | | 17:24 |
| vi_ | jon_y: DO NOT PASTE INTO IRC!! | 17:25 |
| vi_ | freenode will ban you in like 2 seconds. | 17:25 |
| Hurrian | vi_: http://cakes.tea.jp/mtd1ro.txt | 17:25 |
| jon_y | ok, I will remember that | 17:25 |
| raccoon_ | errrr, what? freenode takes no direct action against pasting | 17:25 |
| Hurrian | freshly reflashed with PR1.3 around a week ago. | 17:26 |
| raccoon_ | what are you talking about | 17:26 |
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| vi_ | MUM502677 <---what is this? | 17:26 |
| jon_y | vi_: also, pastebinit_1.3-4_all.deb depends on python-configobj | 17:26 |
| vi_ | raccoon_: if you paste large ammounts into freenode, it gets caught by the spam filter. | 17:26 |
| raccoon_ | however you might get a timeout and disconnect if pasting too much, but it will have to be excessive | 17:26 |
| raccoon_ | vi_: there are no such thing as a spam filter. | 17:26 |
| Skry | one does simply not paste into irc | 17:26 |
| raccoon_ | but there are limits on excess flooding | 17:26 |
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| vi_ | jon_y: oh. Install pastebinit from the repos first. | 17:27 |
| jon_y | ok, n900 has it | 17:27 |
| vi_ | and the one from sid will not install? | 17:27 |
| vi_ | o0 | 17:27 |
| vi_ | installed for me. | 17:27 |
| vi_ | which was good, as the one in maemorepo is old and broken now. | 17:27 |
| vi_ | raccoon_: Ok, but I am pretty sure I have been kick+banned for pasting into IRC. | 17:28 |
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| Skry | http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/ | 17:28 |
| Hurrian | also, vi_, yes, on this N900 I have not set a lock code. | 17:28 |
| vi_ | and no, it was not docscrutinizer on the rag. | 17:28 |
| jon_y | freemangordon: dmesg http://pastebin.com/HNLsRP5D | 17:28 |
| jon_y | actually, nevermind | 17:29 |
| jon_y | some top parts are permanently missing | 17:29 |
| vi_ | jon_y: 'C' states are the sleep level of the CPU. | 17:29 |
| vi_ | C0 is awake. | 17:29 |
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| vi_ | C4 is off. | 17:29 |
| vi_ | C1-3 are inbetween. | 17:30 |
| vi_ | the 'deeper' the sleep state (higher the level 1>4) the less power your CPU is using. | 17:30 |
| vi_ | Ideally your CPU will be in C4 most of the time only waking up to process some shit, then it will go back to sleep. | 17:31 |
| jon_y | ok, maybe it was due to the wifi, will retry | 17:31 |
| vi_ | If there is somthing running continuously, your CPU will never achieve C4 sleep and it will use a lot more power. | 17:31 |
| vi_ | jon_y: You are not doing something stupid like setting 'bleeding edge' wifi drivers as the default? | 17:32 |
| jon_y | no, it's stock | 17:32 |
| vi_ | ok. | 17:32 |
| vi_ | So the crazy thing about your powertop output is we can see your processor is never getting into C4 for very long. | 17:33 |
| vi_ | Hence the poor battery life, hot N900. | 17:33 |
| jon_y | lsmod says wl12xx | 17:33 |
| vi_ | However according to the cpu utillisation, Your N900 is dooing nothing. | 17:34 |
| vi_ | jon_y: run top as root | 17:34 |
| raccoon_ | vi_: that might be true, but the reason is not that you pasted but that you hit a limit of certain amount of lines in a certain amount of time. you get kicked out to not waste bandwith on the server and/or cause bad service for other users, not because you are pasting text. but it's usually required to be lots of lines in a short period (like more than 10 lines in a second) | 17:34 |
| jon_y | ok, now it says c4 in most time | 17:34 |
| jon_y | wait | 17:35 |
| vi_ | raccoon_: Just like pasting. | 17:35 |
| jon_y | still 1.5% | 17:35 |
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| vi_ | 1.5%in c4? | 17:35 |
| Hurrian | vi_, but if CPU utilisation is near zero and you're hitting C4, the top CPU state allowed by the governor, sonething's spiking the CPU a lot. | 17:35 |
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| jon_y | vi_: yes | 17:35 |
| jon_y | what do I look for in top? | 17:35 |
| vi_ | Hurrian: Yeah, but there is nothing listed as active in top or powertop. | 17:36 |
| raccoon_ | vi_: yeah, if pasting A LOT. but don't tell people not to paste at all or they will get kicked/banned, that's not true. | 17:36 |
| vi_ | jon_y: I would expect around 97% in C4 for my device offline and doing nothing. | 17:36 |
| vi_ | raccoon_: Ok. | 17:36 |
| Hurrian | wait, were those powertop results taken when the screen was locked? | 17:36 |
| jon_y | yes | 17:37 |
| vi_ | Hurrian: That is what he was told. | 17:37 |
| vi_ | Also there would be a fuck load more wakeups if the screen was unlocked. | 17:37 |
| Hurrian | ouch, C0 sleep is the only thing keeping the N900 with a charge lasting more than 8 hours. | 17:38 |
| vi_ | jon_y: sort top by CPU useage. | 17:38 |
| vi_ | look at the top processes. | 17:38 |
| vi_ | is there anything funny there? | 17:39 |
| jon_y | ok | 17:39 |
| vi_ | 'bridge_work_que' or some shit? | 17:39 |
| jon_y | xorg | 17:39 |
| jon_y | hildon-desktop | 17:39 |
| jon_y | hildon-status-menu | 17:39 |
| jon_y | dbus daemon | 17:40 |
| jon_y | image-viewer? | 17:40 |
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| jon_y | /sbin/mce | 17:41 |
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| jon_y | anything wrong with the list? | 17:41 |
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| jon_y | is cpufrequi any good? | 17:44 |
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| Hurrian | jon_y, it works, but it's preferred to use kernel-config | 17:47 |
| jon_y | ok | 17:47 |
| jon_y | is cpufrequi the gui frontend? | 17:48 |
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| vi_ | any of them persistently using more than 1.5% | 17:54 |
| freemangordon | hmm, what about removig uSD and SIM, just in case. | 17:56 |
| freemangordon | *removing | 17:56 |
| vi_ | jon_y: You are ssh into the n900 right? | 17:56 |
| vi_ | jon_y: ? | 17:57 |
| freemangordon | vi_: though I am not sure what you'll see in powertop if a process is constantly crashing and restarted by dsme | 17:57 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: We would see SOMETHING. | 17:57 |
| vi_ | that powertop output is like my powertop output with the device at rest. | 17:57 |
| vi_ | It defies my expeiance, | 17:57 |
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| vi_ | fuck my smelling | 17:58 |
| vi_ | ^spelling. | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | vi_: I thought powertop shows only the active processes | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | jon_y: do you have syslogd installed? | 17:59 |
| vi_ | and dsme is a process. Also it measures how many wakeups occour. | 17:59 |
| freemangordon | aah, yes | 17:59 |
| freemangordon | well, then it is not something waking the CPU up, but something preventing it to exit C0 | 18:00 |
| vi_ | that is a good way to look at it. | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | though it still does not make sense. powertop output that is | 18:01 |
| vi_ | but what would stop CPU from going to sleep that is NOT a 'rude' process? | 18:01 |
| freemangordon | NFC | 18:02 |
| freemangordon | well, maybe he'd better reflash | 18:02 |
| vi_ | What do you hear if you put your ear to a Unix shell? | 18:02 |
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| freemangordon | hehe | 18:02 |
| vi_ | The sound of the C. | 18:02 |
| freemangordon | what? | 18:02 |
| ShadowJK | sh | 18:02 |
| freemangordon | :D:D:D | 18:02 |
| freemangordon | nice | 18:03 |
| ShadowJK | while true; do sleep 1 ; done <- shows up in powertop as sleep with one wakeup, but like 30 lines of different sleep | 18:04 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: did you follow yesterday's conversation re PA? | 18:04 |
| ShadowJK | vaguely? | 18:04 |
| freemangordon | at the end it turned up that PA CPU usage depends on the volume :D | 18:05 |
| freemangordon | any idea why? | 18:05 |
| ShadowJK | So what does it look like when you compare different pa compiles with identical volume? | 18:05 |
| ShadowJK | No it doesnt really make sense | 18:05 |
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| freemangordon | try it | 18:06 |
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| freemangordon | otherwise gcc 4.7 with -O3 -mthumb and -ffasth-math is the slowest one | 18:06 |
| freemangordon | -O2 -mthumb -fno-fast-math is as fast as stock | 18:07 |
| Skry | freemangordon: doc did say something about limiter/compressor which would cause that, dunno if this is the case though | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | Skry: could be, but it is about 10%@250, too much for my taste | 18:08 |
| Skry | yeah, it is too much | 18:08 |
| ShadowJK | I wouldn't think it would vary with volume | 18:10 |
| ShadowJK | headphone would show, i guess | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: just try it, play a song and watch top | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | using built-in speakers | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | when the volume is about 50% CPU usage is 15-20 % | 18:11 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 18:11 |
| freemangordon | when on max it jumps to 26-30 % | 18:11 |
| ShadowJK | I mostly use my N900 at volumes 1-5 :-' | 18:11 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: only when on speaker tho | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe it's some sort of multipass thing | 18:13 |
| freemangordon | could be | 18:13 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK: That is just what I was thinking. | 18:13 |
| kerio | freemangordon: so which are you going to use? | 18:13 |
| kerio | like, which options? | 18:13 |
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| vi_ | It has to be some form of digital filtering. | 18:13 |
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| freemangordon | unfortunately nothing to be done here | 18:14 |
| vi_ | or some shit. | 18:14 |
| Skry | well, what Doc said makes sense, more volume -> compressor has more to do. If there is such thing. | 18:14 |
| vi_ | Skry: There is a closed source nokia PA plug in. | 18:14 |
| ShadowJK | Skry, that's not how it usually works | 18:14 |
| freemangordon | most of PA is already optimized, and we can;t do anything for closed parts | 18:14 |
| kerio | vi_: what if we disable it? | 18:14 |
| freemangordon | kerio: we can;t | 18:14 |
| kerio | freemangordon: are you sure the stock one is compiled with -O3 -ffast-math? | 18:15 |
| freemangordon | kerio: yes | 18:15 |
| kerio | it feels wrong that it's as fast as a more recent gcc with -O2 and -fno-fast-math | 18:15 |
| freemangordon | actually it makes sense | 18:15 |
| Skry | vi_: actually there is more than one closed source nokia PA plugin. | 18:15 |
| vi_ | Skry: oh. | 18:16 |
| Skry | ShadowJK: dont know much about the matter, just repeated words of other which kinda made sense to me :) | 18:16 |
| kerio | freemangordon: well, -O3 isn't guaranteed to be faster iirc | 18:16 |
| vi_ | What I would really like is to be able to play recordings while on a phone call. | 18:16 |
| vi_ | Except the 'policy' file is written in trollog. | 18:17 |
| vi_ | And I have NFC how to do it. | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | kerio: my theory says that newer gcc uses NEON vectorizer in more places than older. But as NEON is still not that good , the result is slower code | 18:17 |
| vi_ | pali: make it so. | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | *NEON vectorizer | 18:17 |
| kerio | freemangordon: disable it | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | O3 makes much bigger code, which might make cpu caches suffer | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | this one too | 18:17 |
| kerio | also use -Os | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | kerio: Os is not a good idea | 18:18 |
| ShadowJK | I've never actually seen the gcc vectorizer do anything useful on any architechture | 18:18 |
| freemangordon | I am going to -O2 an f-no-fast-math | 18:18 |
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| freemangordon | that one produces 260k less code | 18:18 |
| freemangordon | with same speed as stock | 18:18 |
| vi_ | In other news, I have aquired a new PC!! | 18:18 |
| kerio | freemangordon: what about -Os? | 18:18 |
| kerio | vi_: yay! | 18:18 |
| freemangordon | congrats | 18:18 |
| vi_ | a 3ghz P4 with 2GB of ram. | 18:18 |
| vi_ | What a fucking beast. | 18:19 |
| vi_ | +2 20GB IDE HDD | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | kerio: never used it and don't want to experiment with PA ;) | 18:19 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Scores of compiler developers will disagree and become violent at your comment! | 18:19 |
| kerio | freemangordon: it's just less than O2 | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | RST38h: at least for ARM he is right | 18:19 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK: you do not want to piss off compiler developers. Theya re into some nasty shit. | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | I did benchmarks with openssl | 18:20 |
| kerio | it should result in less space used, so if it's as fast... | 18:20 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: Is there instructions some where to set up this thumb tool chain of yours? | 18:20 |
| kerio | vi_: hahaha wt | 18:20 |
| kerio | f | 18:20 |
| kerio | a P4? | 18:20 |
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| freemangordon | -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math produces aout 10% slower code | 18:20 |
| freemangordon | vi_: yes, on wiki | 18:20 |
| vi_ | YEAH. P4. | 18:20 |
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| freemangordon | just a minute | 18:20 |
| vi_ | Dissipates more W/INCH THAN A THERMONUCLEAR REACTOR. | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | vi_: come on, I am with Phenom II here | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | I use it to heat my room :D | 18:21 |
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| freemangordon | 160W or something | 18:22 |
| kerio | vi_: i hope that's not really your new computer | 18:22 |
| freemangordon | (when compiling KP of course) | 18:22 |
| vi_ | kerio: yes...why? | 18:23 |
| kerio | vi_: wtf, it's awful | 18:23 |
| vi_ | :( | 18:23 |
| vi_ | But I got a matching keyboard and mouse. | 18:23 |
| vi_ | NExt you will be saying my 32" CRT is a bullshit. | 18:24 |
| kerio | oh, it's ok then | 18:24 |
| Skry | vi_: I was testing the pulseaudio install and calls on Arch and I did just that, voice call and music playing simultaneously (PA @ ~35% cpu) | 18:24 |
| kerio | vi_: resolution? refresh rate? | 18:24 |
| kerio | is the geometric distortion noticeable! | 18:24 |
| Skry | ok, P4 I can still understand but.. CRT! your eyes?! | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | CGI? | 18:25 |
| vi_ | kerio: Yes, both. | 18:25 |
| kerio | er, ? | 18:25 |
| kerio | :o | 18:25 |
| kerio | it's got resolution *and* refresh rate? | 18:25 |
| kerio | daaaamn | 18:25 |
| vi_ | Badass, I know. | 18:25 |
| vi_ | Ok, that was all lies. | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | you don;t have new PC? | 18:26 |
| vi_ | I do not actually have a matching keyboard and mouse. | 18:26 |
| vi_ | The PC is as I described, I have a 32" LCD that I found on the street. | 18:26 |
| vi_ | It had a posit note on it that said 'this is broken!'. | 18:27 |
| vi_ | I was like, lol WTFever. | 18:27 |
| vi_ | It was indeed broken. | 18:27 |
| kerio | haha | 18:27 |
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| vi_ | Just a burst capacitor on the PSU board. | 18:27 |
| vi_ | Swapped it with some random cap I had (with a greater capacitance, correct voltage). It has ran fine for the past 4 years or so. | 18:28 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, maybe we can ask Pali to tweak prolog code to allow phone calls when BT HF is connected with music playing through either built-in speakers or 3.5 mm | 18:28 |
| vi_ | how does one import a debian source package into SB? | 18:29 |
| vi_ | Then magically churn it out as a deb? | 18:30 |
| freemangordon | import? | 18:34 |
| freemangordon | apt-get source | 18:34 |
| freemangordon | or dpkg -x your_cool_source.dsc | 18:34 |
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| freemangordon | and after that dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b | 18:35 |
| freemangordon | -b is for binary only, without source package | 18:35 |
| freemangordon | vi_: ^^^ | 18:35 |
| vi_ | cool | 18:40 |
| vi_ | Maybe I can contribute by thumb-ifying newer versions of abandoned shit. | 18:40 |
| vi_ | libpoppler and evince for example. | 18:41 |
| vi_ | claws mail. | 18:41 |
| freemangordon | yeah, why not | 18:41 |
| vi_ | there is a multitude of reasons why not! | 18:41 |
| freemangordon | we can ask merlin1991 to create maemo-extras-thumb repo | 18:41 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: I have a raging boner at the thought. | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | vi_: can't help with that one :P | 18:42 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: I always wanted to know. | 18:43 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: Do you actually like the half life games? | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | yes. Actually HL is along the only a couple of games I really like. HL, freespace,umm,... lemme think... | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | heroes (3) | 18:44 |
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| freemangordon | that's it | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | HL has very good (and weird) humor, maybe that is why I like it so much | 18:46 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: new PA in -thumb, please test | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-29 17:11:24] <freemangordon> when on max it jumps to 26-30 % | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-28 23:02:59] <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: not strange - PROTX has a limiter/compressor | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-28 23:03:26] <DocScrutinizer51> the louder you set the volume, the more it got to do | 19:07 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: makes no sense, why it has to do more, after all tih is just a high=pass filter | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see ^^^ | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | no? | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | aah | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | well, ok | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect a severe case of overengineering | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the link from thermo to PA is another strong indication they just did too much | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably speaker DS says: 0.7W @20°C, 0.55W @100°C | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so they found they need at least a 7th order polynomial to really take all parameters into account | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with average and all | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | hmm, might be | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XPROT been written in <4 weeks afaik | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | from scratch, when they found the speaker emit blue magic smoke | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so they were like "let's make damn sure this never ever can ahppen again, don't miss the faintest influence on what goes on with those speakers!" | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The council wiki stuff is so outdated. | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all at that time they just had suffered like 3+ months delay from USB fsckup, and everybody already been thoroughly pissed | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and hotline when I asked when T F they will send my N900 I already paid for, told me "we found another error. So we need to fix that first. You'd not want a device that breaks after two weeks, you rather want a device shipped 2 weeks later" | 19:22 |
| RST38h | Do I? | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my words ;-P | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | esp since around that time the rumour had it that it's sth about speakers (I thought "duh, I'll not use them at extreme level, done, next! gimme my N900!!!") and it's been quite obvious that their fix would be in SW which can get updated any time later | 19:24 |
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| freemangordon | :) | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | must've been real fun and all smiles inside Nokia maemo division at that time | 19:25 |
| RST38h | not sure | 19:26 |
| RST38h | probably as usual - "we are behind schedule by X weeks and nothing hasbeen done yet" | 19:26 |
| RST38h | + cameos from UX and security people | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually sth been done, they had my money since ~4 month | 19:27 |
| RST38h | Who, unfortunately, are not ok to murder | 19:27 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: hold on, testing | 19:35 |
| kerio | freemangordon: can i restart pulseaudio or do i have to reboot? | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | reboot, just for sure | 19:35 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: what do i have to test? | 19:42 |
| kerio | sound works | 19:43 |
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| freemangordon | how is the CPU usage? | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | compared to stock | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | should be about the same | 19:44 |
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| kerio | i have no fucking clue | 19:45 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: going to push berkeley DB in the repo, test if you dare, but make a backup of your contacts (just in cas, I am running it on my primary device for 3 weeks) | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | kerio: just tell me how much space is freed | 19:50 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: libdb4.2? | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | yes | 20:03 |
| kerio | 258kB freed | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | good | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | so, from PA and libdb we have about 600k more free space (and maybe RAM) | 20:04 |
| kerio | should i make a backup? | 20:04 |
| freemangordon | if it is your primary device, you'd better do | 20:04 |
| freemangordon | esp contacts DB | 20:04 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, I am out of ideas what else to put in the next update | 20:09 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: fuckin TRACKER | 20:10 |
| freemangordon | kerio: why? | 20:11 |
| freemangordon | do you think it runs slowly? | 20:11 |
| kerio | recompiling it with a better compiler is still much worse than the proper solution | 20:12 |
| kerio | which would be to COMPLETELY ERADICATE IT FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH | 20:12 |
| RST38h | KILL KILL DESTROY | 20:12 |
| * RST38h waited to say that | 20:13 | |
| kerio | and carpetbomb the developers' whole countries | 20:13 |
| kerio | freemangordon: i still appear to have contacts! yay! | 20:13 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you think that a tactical nuke is enough to destroy poettering's heritage? | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | kerio: the problem with trackerd is still not solved AFAIK. missing .flac and .ogg | 20:14 |
| kerio | because that could be an even better target | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | WTF? where is the source code of calendar-backend? | 20:15 |
| kerio | no srsly, recompile tracker | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | I won't until the bug is solved. It seems there are lots of clueless -thumb users I don;t w't to break their .flac and .ogg playback | 20:16 |
| kerio | 420 BLAZE IT FAGGOT | 20:16 |
| kerio | ( http://i.imgur.com/9uNwm.jpg ) | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | WTF? "E: Unable to find a source package for calendar-backend" | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | wasn't that open source? | 20:18 |
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| freemangordon | ANyone has an idea WTF is that http://maemo.gitorious.org/calendar-backend/calendar-backend | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | ? | 20:25 |
| VDVsx | some old stuff, I guess, last commit in July 22 2010 | 20:28 |
| freemangordon | it is the same version as the one on the device | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | ah, yah, n900 :D | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 20:29 |
| VDVsx | most probably some parts are closed source | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | the question is why is that on gitorious when there is no source code in maemo repo | 20:30 |
| kerio | ~closed_packages | 20:30 |
| infobot | methinks closed_packages is https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 20:30 |
| kerio | relicensed, apparently | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | http://maemo.gitorious.org/calendar-backend/calendar-backend/blobs/PE1/debian/copyright | 20:31 |
| kerio | freemangordon: nobody will care, i hope you realize that | 20:34 |
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| akls | vi_, hey! :) | 20:38 |
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| akls | vi_, I have a question about this article http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 20:38 |
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| akls | vi_, how can I make xbindkeys automatically work after reboot | 20:38 |
| akls | vi_, and how can I make it work in easy debian | 20:38 |
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| kerio | easydebian is bad and you should feel bad! | 20:45 |
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| akls | kerio, wtf, why? | 20:47 |
| kerio | i looked at the scripts it uses, they're a giant mess | 20:47 |
| RST38h | Moo, VDVsx, how is life after Maemo? | 20:47 |
| akls | kerio, then make it better | 20:48 |
| akls | because I need it anyway | 20:48 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, hey, well, there was meego, ___, and now something else, so going good :) | 20:51 |
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| kerio | RST38h: there's something after maemo? :O | 21:04 |
| MrPingu | where or what? :o | 21:07 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: working for Jolla? =)~ | 21:21 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, yeah | 21:22 |
| Pali | freemangordon, calendar-backend is calendar engine | 21:25 |
| Pali | it is code for store/access calendar database | 21:25 |
| Pali | calendar-ui (closed) is based on calendar-backend | 21:25 |
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| Pali | calendar-backend was open sourced, but nokia forgot to include it into SDK | 21:26 |
| Pali | source code on gitorious (in branch PE1) is PR1.3 source code | 21:26 |
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| Pali | RST38h, VDVsx, I do not trust any company. There will be again hell of non free blobs and secure boots... only next dead and useless SW | 21:30 |
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| Pali | Maemo 5 (the best mobile os) has a lot of closed critical parts: https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 21:31 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Gooood =) | 21:34 |
| RST38h | The more sane people work there, the better are chances to finally get a decent, supported device =) | 21:35 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: thanks | 21:42 |
| Pali | freemangordon, going to rebuild it for thumb? | 21:43 |
| Pali | :-) | 21:43 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: yes | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | that was the idea, .so is more than 1MiB | 21:44 |
| Pali | ok | 21:46 |
| Pali | you can also look for other relicensed packages | 21:46 |
| Pali | maybe there are more big binaries, which can be recompiled | 21:47 |
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| akls | vi_, :O | 23:15 |
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| akls | from the wiki dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:PatternIncomingCall | 23:50 |
| akls | are there any other patterns? | 23:50 |
| akls | what if I want vibration to be constant | 23:51 |
| jon_y | vi_: ok, will try another debug session after I get back from work | 23:51 |
| jon_y | dsme and syslogd | 23:51 |
| akls | ok! found them in /etc/mce/mce.ini | 23:55 |
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