IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-10-29

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infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer5100:24
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Cor-Aihahaha aww00:32
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Cor-Aiyour bot DocScrutinizer05?00:32
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DocScrutinizer51not really00:40
infobotTimRiker is my owner00:41
DocScrutinizer51I'm only one of the botmasters00:42
DocScrutinizer51means I can do some admin tasks00:43
DocScrutinizer51and I try to keep the knowledge database clean and up to date, for a 0.001% part of it00:46
DocScrutinizer51aka factoids00:46
infobotpower is probably
Cor-AiDocScrutinizer05: ahh, I see, well it's a cutie :)00:50
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infobotSince Tue Oct 23 14:06:35 2012, there have been 3 modifications, 184 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 113 commands.  I have been awake for 5d 8h 47m 56s this session, and currently reference 118762 factoids.  I'm using about 23856 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1491.16/27.45 child 0/000:54
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer51 in the darkest corner of the room. :(00:54
* infobot hugs cor-ai00:55
DocScrutinizer51she's slow00:55
DocScrutinizer51or busy00:55
Cor-Aihaha or both00:55
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Cor-Aiwell, shes smarter then mine! hehe00:56
DocScrutinizer51alas I have no access to logs and CPU load00:56
Cor-Aiwell, time to sleep! the alarm sounds in 5 hour! nn00:57
DocScrutinizer513 commands you should know: ~help, ~listkeys, ~listvalues00:57
DocScrutinizer51~liskeys maemo00:58
DocScrutinizer51damn she must be busy00:58
Cor-Aihaha I think she needs some sleep too!00:59
Skryshe needs one t00:59
DocScrutinizer51~listkeys maemo00:59
infobotFactoid search of 'maemo' by key (16 of 28): maemo-lists ;; #maemo multiboot ;; ;; maemo-version ;; maemo-man ;; /.maemo-mapper/paths.db ;; maemo-qt ;; #maemo-ssu ot ;; deb ;; maemo-brand ;; maemo-sdk ;; #maemo power ;; maemo-logs ;; deb ;; chromium on maemo ;; maemo-down.00:59
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infoboti heard maemo-lists is
DocScrutinizer51~listvalues community01:00
infobotFactoid search of 'community' by value (20 of 109): broken-maemo ;; council ;; cssu ;; cssu-optional ;; dway ;; freerunner ;; jargon bonk/oif ;; jargon core ;; jargon gnu ;; jargon phreaking ;; jargon rl ;; jargon tex ;; jargon twenex ;; ltp ;; maemo-lists ;; mailing-lists ;; pcp ;; pigtk ;; polycom ;; progeny+debian.01:00
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Cor-Aidamn I miss my n900 :/ realy have to get my thumb out and order a new usb socket!01:01
DocScrutinizer51~listkeys jargon01:02
infobotFactoid search of 'jargon' by key (11 of 2335): jargon aluminum book2 ;; jargon baud barf2 ;; jargon block transfer computations ;; jargon bondage-and-discipline language2 ;; jargon book titles8 ;; jargon buffer overflow ;; jargon chrome ;; jargon classic c ;; jargon cokebottle ;; jargon dwim ;; jargon eat flaming death.01:02
DocScrutinizer51~jargon cokebottle01:03
infobotsomebody said jargon cokebottle was /kohk'bot-l/ n. Any very unusual character, particularly one you can't type because it it isn't on your keyboard. MIT people used to complain about the `control-meta-cokebottle' commands at SAIL, and SAIL people complained right back about the `altmode-altmode-cokebottle' commands at MIT. After the demise of the {space-cadet keyboard}, `cokebottle' faded away as serious usage, but was often invoked humorously to ...01:03
Skrymm, I found eggdrop.tar.gz in my backups few weeks back, looked at it and found there was all the scripts, logs, stats and stuff for a bot I ran last time something like 10 years ago on ircnet. Made me feel nostalgic, then old.01:04
Cor-Ainot old! just not young any more! :D01:05
Skrythats right! :)01:05
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DocScrutinizer51~dict old01:06
infobotDictionary 'old' (4 of 13): past times (especially in the phrase `in days of old') ;; (used for emphasis) very familiar; "good old boy"; "same old story" ;; of long duration; not new; "old tradition"; "old house"; "old wine"; "old country"; "old friendships"; "old money"  ;; \Old\ ([=o]ld), n. Open country. [Obs.] See {World}. --Shak. [1913 Webster].01:06
DocScrutinizer51~wiki old01:07
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|old|olde}} 'Old' or 'OLD' may refer to: *Old age or, by extension, a description or nickname for someone or something that has endured and become comfortable or widely familiar. *Old, Baranya, Hungary *Old, Northamptonshire, England *Old Town Municipal Airport and Seaplane Base in Old Town, Maine, United States (IATA code) *Old Boys and Old Girls, former pupils of schools in ...01:07
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Cor-Aihaha must try this!01:08
Cor-Ai~wiki cor-ai01:08
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox television season |season_name=Stargate SG-1" Season 1 |image= |caption=Region 1 DVD cover art | show_name = Stargate SG-1 |dvd_release_date='Region 1': May 22, 2001'Region 2': October 21, 2002'Region 4': March 1, 2004 |country= |network=Showtime |first_aired=July 27, 1997 |last_aired=March 6, 1998 |num_episodes=22 |next_season=Season 2 |}} 'First season' of the military ...01:08
Cor-Aihaha yay01:08
Cor-Aiyeah.. bed.. nn, again!01:10
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Skryok, me too :D01:12
Skry~wiki skry01:12
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Citations missing|article|date=January 2011}} {{redirect-distinguish|Scry|Scrye}} (1902, oil on canvas)]] 'Scrying' (also called 'seeing' or 'peeping') is a magic practice that involves seeing things psychically in a medium, usually for purposes of obtaining spiritual visions and less often for purposes of divination or fortune-telling. The most common media used are reflective, ...01:12
Skry~wiki skrymir01:14
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{For|the Marvel Comics character|Utgard-Loki (Marvel Comics)}} [[Image:Louis Huard - Giant Skrymir and Thor.jpg|thumb|200px|[The] Giant Skrymir and Thor (c. 1891), by Louis Huard.]] In Norse mythology, 'Útgarða-Loki' (Anglicized as 'Utgarda-Loki' and in other ways) was the ruler of the castle Útgarðr in Jötunheimr. He was one of the Jötnar and his name means literally "Loki o01:14
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Skrypff, it appears i cant do the charging thingy with udev after all. funny thing is that i can do it with udev AND systemd.. now, someone is apparently forcing me to do stuff with systemd :)01:20
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DocScrutinizer05the charging thingie shield work under any root permissions. If however you plan to mess around with indicator LED via DBUS msg to MCE, you'll need run-standalone.sh01:23
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: the charging thingie should work under any root permissions. If however you plan to mess around with indicator LED via DBUS msg to MCE, you'll need run-standalone.sh01:24
SkryI'm doing the led indicator stuff via sysfs. I just want script to run when charger is plugged in, somehow it sounds stupid that to achieve this I need to use both udev and systemd for the job.01:27
DocScrutinizer05I wouldn't see why01:28
Skrythere is a timer in udev which kills process if it takes too long01:28
DocScrutinizer05that's needed01:28
DocScrutinizer05hmm, then run the charger script in a background shell01:28
Skryoh the fuck I feel stupid01:28
Skryseriously :D01:29
DocScrutinizer05some distros have a command like start-daemon or whatever for that01:30
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DocScrutinizer05you get the idea01:30
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Skryyeah. hmm, i suppose i should start the script via flock to prevent it spawning01:31
Skryif someone decides to charger rape his n90001:33
Skryor bad contact or something so it gets detected multiple times in a row, i have no idea if there is any safety mechanism in udev itself for stuff like that01:34
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DocScrutinizer05start_daemon: Usage:01:51
DocScrutinizer05    start_daemon [-f] [-L] [-n +/-<prio>] [-u uid] [-g gid] [-v] [-e] \01:51
DocScrutinizer05        [-l log|-q|-d] [-p pid_file] [-i ignore_file] [-c root] /path/to/executable [args]01:51
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DocScrutinizer05won't start a daemon twice, that's what pid_file is for01:52
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DocScrutinizer05I'd nevertheless suggest to have a look at pali's bq24150.ko module01:53
Skryyeah. flock -n /var/run/charger.lock /bla/bla/ should do the trick too.01:54
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Skrytrouble with using palis module is that last time I tried, it did not work with my current kernel, hooks get called and so on, module reports correct stuff via sysfs but bq27200 reports that battery is discharging01:57
DocScrutinizer05while is based on what I found out and designed in a few weeks, pali's bq24150.ko is based on what I thought about same topic after 2+ years of pondering it01:58
DocScrutinizer05of course it's not yet as mature as charge21.sh01:59
DocScrutinizer05but it's definitely "the future"02:00
Skryanyways, I dont know what the fault was, there has been some problems with musb stack in 3.6.x so it might have been to cause to this behaviour.02:00
Skryalso, pali checked my code so that should not be the issue :)02:01
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it's a kernel module, so likely needs some plumbing to work with a perticular kernel02:01
DocScrutinizer05and since that's related/linked to musb_hdrc, it's particularly nasty02:01
DocScrutinizer05I can tell since I did a lot of diving into this mess by mentorgrafix called musb_hdrc, for usb hostmode02:02
Skryyeah i believe02:04
DocScrutinizer05in the end you'll come to the conclusion that a battery charger/maintenance-daemon doesn't match too nicely to userland02:04
Skryalready have :)02:05
DocScrutinizer05maemo4 has a story to tell about it02:05
DocScrutinizer05I'm feeling quite comfortable with all this stuff, since it's system architecture, my primary competence02:06
SkryI'm trying to do this as cleanly as possible so I could have at least some working solution to offer. And once pali gets his module upstreamed I will switch to it immediately02:06
Skryyou do seem to possess quite admirable level of knowledge about this stuff02:07
DocScrutinizer05hoping for upstrem is often just a delusion02:07
Skrywell, at least he is trying, sadly i happen to know what is required for it get accepted.. -> lot of work.02:08
DocScrutinizer05in embedded world you have to accept you sometimes need a partial 'fork' for proper management of your device's peripherals02:08
Skrytrue. biggest issue for me with the whole Arch project so far has been the sgx chip.02:10
DocScrutinizer05upstream either accepts braindamaged crippled retarded drivers and you never can replace the established fsckdup API by something sane (see lis302dl), or you simply can't get your stuff upstream as it's not generic enough02:10
Skryyeah, also true at times02:11
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Skryand currently there aro quite some big changes going at linux-omap at least, which requires developers to adapt to new ways of doing things, and it looks like everything unmaintained is going to become unusable02:12
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Skryand in example omapdss seems to change almost daily :)02:13
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DocScrutinizer05kernel lunatics messing up stuff to fubar stae every other week is a long known notorious phenomenon02:18
Skrythere is nothing wrong with progress and improving everything. It's just sad how much devices are left out of it and those abominable kernel forks are becoming more and more common02:18
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SkryI've actually bugged quite alot of people around since I first started with N900 and 3.x kernel, I've talked to people from TI, Nokia, Mer, I even harrassed freemangordon to forward port the modem shits. Sad outcome of this is, that there are about a (small) handfull of people with interest of the matter.02:25
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SkryAnd from those people, there are maybe two or three who could actually do something, but lack the time02:26
DocScrutinizer05and people like me, who can utter wise comments but never implement any code02:27
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DocScrutinizer05I know how you feel, I've seen that, been thare02:28
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DocScrutinizer05after all SHR (#openmoko-cdevel) is a distro meant to run on N900 too02:29
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SkryI've done some mad packaging magic to get all closed bits working, and done compromises I would never even considered making. I've spent _shitloads_ of hours trying to figure out how to make this and that so everything does not break, compiling kernels, automating packaging, compiling some more, writing udev rules and shit like that.02:30
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SkryAnd all in all, it's all for nothing02:30
SkryI cant port those missing/not working drivers, and every kernel release breaks more stuff and there is no-one to fix it.02:31
DocScrutinizer05you should talk to SHR folks02:31
DocScrutinizer05over at #openmoko-cdevel02:31
DocScrutinizer05gnutoo, jama, mrmoku...02:32
Skrywell, this unknown obvious person already contacted me about shr related stuff, I handed him my kernel config and link to my github page.02:32
Skryi guess the most fundamental problem is that people capable are all spread over different projects02:33
Skrycan't blame them, I too have no interest in any other distribution than Arch.02:34
SpeedEvilat some point, spending money actually works02:34
Skryofc I'm glad to share anything I do, and help and such02:34
Skrymoney is sadly something I dont have any to spare :\02:35
SpeedEvilI mean to get people who have to concentrate on what you tell them to do02:35
SpeedEvilotherwise, you either need to energise them in a community, or give it up.02:36
SpeedEvilor do it yourself.02:36
SpeedEvilby which time you finish all but the smallest project, nobody cares.02:37
Skryyeah, very true.02:37
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internetishardcan I compile a new openssh for maemo?02:37
* SpeedEvil hopes in a couple of years nobody will care about maemo.02:37
internetishardthe old version doesn't have some support that I need02:37
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I "wasted" like 3 years of 50%..75% part time "job" to maemo (and openmoko, after the Inc gone bonkers), but since a year I can't do that anymore, my monetary reserves are used up and I need to do 'real' work for my bagels02:37
SpeedEvilbecause Jolla will be awesome02:37
SpeedEvilat some point even diehards lose focus, or even die.02:38
DocScrutinizer05internetishard: I can't see any obstacles02:38
SpeedEvilI did that02:39
internetishardecdsa asks for a password when using the key even thought it is passwordlessss02:39
SpeedEvilit was annoying for a reason I forget02:39
SpeedEvilinternetishard: permissions problem?02:39
SkryI've got the impression that Jolla is going to just grab Mer as a base and just pour their closed source stuff all over it.. :\02:39
SpeedEvilit depends.02:40
SpeedEvilactually closed source = bad02:40
SpeedEvilclosed source, with well documented APIs - hmm.02:40
internetishardSpeedEvil: no idea02:40
DocScrutinizer05latest rumour has it they will jump to tizen02:40
internetishardchmod 600 on they key..02:41
SpeedEvilclosed - from a buisness sense of licencing, but with source available, awesome02:41
SpeedEvilinternetishard: and the parent dir?02:41
Skryanyways, it's Finnish company so I will support it nevertheless.02:42
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SpeedEvilnon free licence with the ability of third parties to buy licences for other hardware - possibly awesome02:42
Skryi have no trouble with closed source if it is done properly, and maintained properly02:42
SpeedEvilmemo style - sorta meh02:43
internetishardSpeedEvil: bah, it still thinks it needs a password too02:51
internetishardecdsa is pretty new to ssh...02:51
internetishardversion on here is 5.1, but on the server 6.1...02:52
internetishardCan I compile a new version on maemo?02:52
internetishardI'd like to do the same with sshfs02:52
Skryanyways, after opening up, I would like to ask any of you who could actually do something to the kernel modules, to consider doing some forward porting. Most of the drivers that are more or less broken (sensors, audio) should be pretty easy to fix. Also, bluetooth driver needs forward porting.02:55
internetishardOk, apparently the version of ssh on maemo doesn't support ecdsa, so I need to compile a new version of ssh and sshfs - how do I do this?02:55
SkryAlso, few of us are on #maemo-alternatives, if some feel they could answer stupid questions of me _trying_ to do that shit, feel free to join.02:56
SpeedEvilI just copied / into a chroot, installed build-essentials from tools in that chroot, and went from there02:57
SpeedEvilthere are probably better ways02:57
internetishardSpeedEvil: is that to me?02:57
internetishardI can just download the regular openssh source and it will build on maemo?02:58
SpeedEvilfrom memory, yes02:58
SpeedEvilit's been a while thoyg02:58
internetishardlike, from the busybox repo?03:00
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internetishardSpeedEvil: what would you choose?03:02
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SpeedEvilI think I just grabbed openssl latest03:03
internetishardI'm talking about ssh here03:03
SpeedEviland SSH03:03
SpeedEvilwhy do you want SSH03:04
internetishardlike I said, I need new ssupport03:04
internetishardin order to connect to servers using ecdsa keys03:04
internetishardSpeedEvil: soooo where do I get teh source?03:05
SpeedEvilthe SSH source repo03:11
Skryhow about
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Skryshouldnt really be that hard to find03:12
internetishardI didn't think you could just get any linux package and compile it on arm03:12
Skrymost of the time you can, sometimes it's not that easy03:15
Skrylike in this case :)03:15
internetishardoh, you're saying it won't work...03:16
Skryif the required libraries in maemo are new enough for latest openssh, you should have no trouble03:16
internetishardThis is no fun03:16
Skryjust try it03:16
befordmaybe its "easy" using a chroot?03:17
befordsince you only need a client03:17
SkryI'm not saying it wont work, I'm saying there is a possibility it wont work03:17
internetishardchroot for what?03:17
beforda debian release with a newer version of ssh03:18
internetishard"use fkn debian, son"03:18
internetishardI never do that :X03:18
internetishardI should03:18
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SkryI hate when that happens. Usually I just grunt a simple "No, I don't want to."03:25
Skry(use debian)03:25
grywhy not?03:26
Skrywhy should I?03:26
gryi only used debian based OSs and don't dislike them yet03:27
grywhat do you use?03:27
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internetishardI use arch too03:28
internetishardI guess I could use arch in the maemo chroot instead!03:29
internetishardthere a downside of using a different distro from debian on maemo?03:29
internetishardor rather "for the maemo chroot"03:29
Skrydepends on what you're doing with it03:30
Skrycommandline stuff should be a breeze03:30
Skrygry: I'm not saying I dislike debian, I just find few other distros to be more appealing to me personally. I've used debian in a past for quite some time.03:31
Skryin the end it's just the same what you use, but I do tend to recommend the more minimalistic approach usually, and Mint for beginners (going to change that habit though)03:35
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Skryhmm, off to take care of the snakes, bbl03:42
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Skrypissed off blood python == no fun04:03
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jargon-anybody else having performance problems with opera mini on the latest cssu? freezing, draining the battery?10:20
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jargon-opera mobile*10:27
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: I'm having problems loading the stock wifi drivers for some reason11:18
jon_yunknown symbol ieee80211....11:18
jon_ymodprobe wl12xx says wl1251_api module not found11:19
jon_yany ideas?11:19
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vi_is tmp mounted in ram?11:27
vi_or is it var?11:27
jogait's tmpfs so ram11:31
vi_so if I copy something to /tmp and symlink to it, it will be read from ram?11:32
joga(though, well, also swap I guess)11:32
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jogaassuming it's currently in ram, I'm not really sure how maemo does swapping etc11:32
vi_joga: badly11:32
jogayou can also create your own tmpfs with a size you choose if you want11:33
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vi_holy shit.11:36
vi_mv /usr/share/hildon /tmp/hildon11:39
vi_symlink it back.11:39
vi_menu works like it is on hypercrack.11:39
vi_and it only costs 2kb of ram!11:41
vi_(I guess).11:41
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jon_yawesome, wl12xx problem fixed11:45
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jon_ysomething left an entry in /etc/modprobe/* to redirect to wl1251_spi11:45
vi_what was the problem?11:46
entitleddoes power kernel use lower voltage on default?11:46
entitledseems like I solved the annoying network lost/connection dropping issue11:46
jon_yvi_: wifi stock drivers no longer loading11:47
jon_yinsmod wl12xx says wl1251_spi is missing11:47
entitledit doesen't happen when I overclock 805mhz (instead of using the stock 600mhz)11:47
jon_y*modprobe wl12xx11:48
jon_yinsmod wl12xx.ko says ieee80211_* unknown symbol11:48
vi_Do you think if I set 'nice -19 'rtcom-call-ui' '11:48
jon_yrebooting into the stock kernel won't work either, due to the /etc/modprobe.d entry11:48
vi_I will never miss another call?11:49
jon_ysometimes, the UI rotate breaks things11:49
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jon_yaccept call button is under the bottom of the screen11:49
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StyXmanvi_: sound worth a test11:51
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StyXmanvi_: do you plan to do some kind of benchmarks?11:55
vi_nope, just empirical.11:57
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vi_I wonder what else I could ionice11:58
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vi_realtime priority XD12:00
vi_no wait, it still runs like shit.12:03
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jon_yPali: how do I set the default uboot choice?14:02
jon_yalso, thanks for the new uboot release14:02
jon_ynow working on my n90014:02
Palijon_y, read first post
Pali~u-boot is
infobotPali: okay14:03
jon_yPali: thanks14:05
infobotit has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg'14:06
jon_yI thought I've seen KP52 somewhere but apt-get update says nothing14:07
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infobotsomebody said u-boot was
DocScrutinizer51~forget u-boot14:35
infobotDocScrutinizer51: i forgot u-boot14:35
DocScrutinizer51~#maemo u-boot is
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer5114:36
infoboti guess u-boot is
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DocScrutinizer51~listkeys kp14:39
infobotFactoid search of 'kp' by key (18 of 228): .kp ;; cmd: cheekpoke (.*?) ;; darkpheonix ;; finkployd ;; gnome2.2 backport ;; ikp ;; kp ;; kpilot ;; kplot3d ;; make-kpgk ;; mkpasswd ;; php4 backport ;; teamwave workplace ;; toolbox _backpat ;; unlockpro ;; weathercode atakpame ;; weathercode kp67 ;; weathercode kpcu.14:39
DocScrutinizer51~listvalues kernel power14:40
infobotFactoid search of 'kernel power' by value returned no results.14:40
DocScrutinizer51~listvalues kernel14:40
infobotFactoid search of 'kernel' by value (16 of 654): /etc/modules ;; 1.1 ;; 2.4.15 ;; 2.4.20 ;; 2.6 ;; a3com ;; char major 10 ;; ext2online ;; i cannot vouch for how the "new" makefile system ;; in which package ;; jimbuzbee ;; just the basics, i.e. how ;; kernel core dump ;; kernel dhcp ;; kernel symlinks ;; kernel version.14:40
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DocScrutinizer51~listkeys #maemo14:41
infobotFactoid search of '#maemo' by key (9): #maemo omp ;; #maemo multiboot ;; #maemo #DEL# ;; #maemo-ssu ot ;; #maemo closed_packages ;; #maemo u-boot ;; #maemo multinoot #DEL# ;; #maemo power ;; chan #maemo #DEL#.14:41
DocScrutinizer51Pali: please define factoid '#maemo kp'14:42
DocScrutinizer51whenever infobo/Tim bites the dust, we're doomed14:45
DocScrutinizer51Pali: ~#maemo kp is <reply>learn about KernelPower you read t.m.o/thread99999post1, to install latest version yougo there:
DocScrutinizer51Pali: sorry I don't have the correct links at hand14:53
DocScrutinizer51Pali: such factoid will override ~kp in here (#maemo)14:54
Pali~#maemo kp is
infobotokay, Pali14:54
infobotkp is, like,
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jon_yDocScrutinizer51: do you happen to know how to debug a power regression?15:31
jon_ybattery use shot up for some reason15:31
jon_yI thought it was the bleeding edge wifi drivers, but I switched to stock already15:31
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SpeedEvilpowertop can help15:34
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SpeedEviljon_y: afk right now, look around the links from15:35
infobotrumour has it, power is
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vi_jon_y: You know power top right?15:39
vi_You need 2 tools.15:39
vi_powertop and htop.15:39
jon_ywhat else?15:39
vi_Do you know powertop?15:39
jon_ynot really, I'm new to it15:40
vi_you know how to use xterm?15:40
vi_install powertop and htop from devel.15:40
jon_yok, done15:40
vi_put the phone into offline mode.15:40
jon_yjust installed15:41
vi_sleep 30; powertop15:41
jon_ydisconnect charger too right?15:41
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vi_quickly lock the screen and put the phone down and wait for ~1.1minute.15:41
vi_jon_y: yes15:41
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vi_jon_y: have you installed pastebinit?15:42
jon_ynot yet15:42
vi_that is the latest pastebinit from debian sid.15:43
jon_yok, I'll try to install it after I get back on15:43
vi_it installs good.15:43
jon_yor use sprunge15:43
vi_or sprunge if you want, pastebinit has more choices though.15:44
vi_anyways, pastebinit the output from powertop.15:44
vi_BRB COFFEE.15:44
jon_yok powertop output is back15:45
jon_yanything in particular to look for?15:46
vi_yes, programs that are causing wakeups!15:50
vi_Time in C4 etc.15:50
vi_Just pastebinit that shit.15:50
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jon_yI hope 1150 MHz doesn't mean cpu freq15:54
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vi_jon_y: no15:54
jon_yok, any obvious culprits?15:55
vi_this is bizzare.15:55
jon_ywhich part?15:55
vi_useually when your cpu is being stuck in C1 and never reaching C4 there is something spamming wakeups.15:56
vi_THere appears to be nothing spamming wakeups, yet your device is not going into C4.15:56
jon_ydoes battery eye do that?15:56
jon_yit was in the background15:56
vi_jon_y: No, batteryeye only wakes up like 1/minute or something.15:57
ShadowJKwas charger connected?15:57
vi_While it does not help, it is not really a problem.15:57
vi_ShadowJK: no.15:57
jon_yno, it was disconnected when I ran sleep 30; powertop15:57
vi_jon_y: Run powertop.15:58
vi_Sort by time.15:58
ShadowJKthis looks like something that would show up on normal top15:58
vi_look for anything odd.15:58
jon_ywhat is the arg to sort by time?15:58
* ShadowJK doesnt know powertop sort by time :)15:58
vi_ignore that.15:58
vi_total horse shit.15:58
vi_I meant, run htop, sort by time.15:58
jon_yok, any arguments?15:59
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jon_yhow do I sort by time?16:00
jon_yXorg taking up mos of the time16:01
vi_jon_y: that is normal16:02
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vi_try sorting by CPU16:02
jon_yhtop taking most cpu16:02
jon_ynext is xorg16:03
jon_y7% and 3%16:03
vi_Is anything else activley running?16:03
jon_yno, I exit everything16:03
jon_yjust xterm and htop16:03
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vi_You have any dumb widgets?16:04
vi_Ok, lets try a reset.16:04
jon_yadvanced interface switcher16:04
vi_jon_y: In my experiance recaller is generally safe.16:05
jon_yyeah, it isn't new16:05
vi_AIS caused nothing but ballache for me.16:05
jon_yonly recently experiencing power problems16:05
vi_please try a reset.16:05
vi_i.e. poweroff, pull battery for 30s, power up.16:05
vi_wait 3-4minutes for device to settle then go into offline mode.16:06
vi_Run sleep 30; powertop again.16:06
jon_ypulled out the battery, waiting16:07
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jon_yleaving the device to charge for 5 minutes16:09
jon_ybattery nearly dead16:09
jon_yrunning powertop16:16
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jon_ydamn, log.txt earlier was from root, overwrite failed, rerunning16:19
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jon_yway, powertop segfault when run as user16:22
jon_yredoing as root16:22
jon_yShadowJK: still lots of wakeups?16:27
ShadowJKWell I'm not sure if I'd call it wakeup, it's like it doesn't enter sleep much at all16:28
ShadowJKbut actual wakeups from processes is very small16:28
jon_ystuff in the kernel?16:29
ShadowJKThis looks so weird16:29
jon_ylsmod output
ShadowJKis this kernel-power?16:30
jon_yanything weird in lsmod?16:33
ShadowJKThere are several things in that powertop output that contradicts itself:16:33
ShadowJKC0 is high, but core, mpu and neon are almost all "off"16:33
ShadowJKC0 is high, but avg duration for C4 is high16:34
jon_yit wakes but not do anything?16:34
ShadowJKthe first bit says cpu is on, last part of powertop says it's off16:34
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jon_yok, how is that possible?16:35
ShadowJKyeah it isn't16:36
jon_ytime to wipe the phone? :(16:36
vi_sorry, was at work.16:36
jon_yvi_: any idea on ShadowJK's comments?16:37
vi_shadowjk has more or less said it.16:37
vi_It makes no freaking sense,16:37
vi_Time to either:16:37
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vi_1. restore a backup.16:37
vi_2. Start uninstalling the last things you have installed.16:37
jon_yI'm fine with wiping16:38
vi_3. full re-flash.16:38
jon_ydoes /home/user get wiped out on reflash?16:38
ShadowJKDoes it actually consume lots of power too?16:39
ShadowJKYesh, I think so16:39
jon_yok, need to back that up too16:39
jon_yhalf battery life in 3 hours16:39
jon_yalso, it was warming up my pocket16:39
vi_can you run this script:16:40
ShadowJKwarming up pocket is good enough indication that it's indeed consuming lots of power16:41
jon_ythe last time I remembered that happen was when I ran the wifi eye program16:41
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jon_ybut a reboot fixed the power issue16:41
jon_ythat was then16:41
jon_yI don't think I installed kernel-power-settings16:44
ShadowJKwifieye sometimes leaves wifi on without powersaving, and soemtimes leaves parts of itself running too16:44
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jon_yShadowJK: /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp no such file16:47
jon_yany ideas?16:47
ShadowJKbq module not loaded16:48
* ShadowJK doesn't know what it's called16:48
ShadowJKIve never used it16:48
jon_ysafe to modprobe?16:48
freemangordonjon_y: are you on 2g or 3g?16:50
freemangordondata connection active? or you are on wifi?16:51
jon_ywifi, but it is normally off16:51
freemangordondo you have u-boot?16:51
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freemangordonwhich version?16:51
jon_ypali's most recent16:51
freemangordonas there was a broken one with disabled L2 cache16:52
freemangordonok, if you are sure16:52
jon_y2G signal kind of sucky at office for some reason16:53
jon_y3G can get calls through16:53
freemangordonjon_y: anything in dmesg?16:55
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jon_yfreemangordon: anything to grep for?16:57
freemangordonno, just look at it16:58
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freemangordonor pastebin it (or whatever you use)16:58
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jon_yseems like it was cut by sprunge17:00
jon_yactually, the latest powertop shows some changes17:01
jon_yc0 98.5%17:01
jon_yC1 1.5% 20.5ms avg17:02
jon_yC2 0% 0.5ms avg17:02
jon_yc3 and c4 shows nothing17:02
Jay_BEEQuestion:  Since when does a 'new' N900, come pre-installed with applications like balloonpopperfree, battery-eye, BlessN900, Catorise?17:03
jon_y2nd hand N900?17:03
jon_yvalue added addons?17:03
Jay_BEEMind you this came from eBay and was listed as 'New'.17:04
jon_yyou belived the ad? :)17:04
freemangordonjon_y: EXT4-fs?17:04
Jay_BEEunfortunately yes, because the seller had a good rating and the option to purchase a warranty was there17:05
jon_yfreemangordon: I don't believe I actually have any ext4 volumes17:05
freemangordon"EXT4 FS on mmcblk1p2, internal journal on mmcblk1p2:8"17:05
jon_yoh taht17:05
jon_yit was easy debian17:05
jon_ynow I remember17:06
jon_yit's just sitting there though since cssu decided to mount everything these days17:06
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HurrianJay_BEE, those are definitely not "new".17:06
Hurrianunless the seller advertised it with the apps preinstalled, ask for a refund or something17:06
Jay_BEEHurrian:  I see.17:06
Jay_BEEHurrian: yes, I am sending it back today.17:07
freemangordonjon_y: did you connect n900 via usb cable? ac ouple of times?17:07
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jon_yfreemangordon: yes17:07
freemangordonhmm, okm17:07
Hurrianalso, run "cat /dev/mtd2" to check for crashes17:07
Jay_BEEthe seller said " Based on our understanding, there are a few different versions of Nokia N900, and we are not certain if they are all the same in term of applications installed.  Or a wrong item might be sent to you. "17:07
freemangordonnothing weird in dmesg17:07
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HurrianJay_BEE, run "sudo strings /dev/mtd1ro" to check for kernel flashes too ;)17:10
vi_so you bought a 'new' n900 that the seller has allready fucked around with?17:10
vi_Fuck that.17:10
vi_Welcome to re-flashville, population: YOU.17:11
Jay_BEEand this seller, hsc-digital, is based in the US17:11
infobothmm... maemo-flashing is
Jay_BEEI'm sending it back today.17:11
vi_Why are you sending it back?17:11
Jay_BEEit's not new17:12
vi_good enough.17:12
Jay_BEEit was sold as 'new17:12
ShadowJKthey probably sold a second hand as new, and forgot to wipe it first? sloppy17:12
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ShadowJKyou'll get the same one back, but wiped. lol.17:12
vi_If it was new, it would have a dark screen foil and a pair of unmolested ear-buds.17:12
Jay_BEEShadowJK: yep lol17:12
vi_ShadowJK: eugh.17:12
vi_ShadowJK: eww17:12
Skryjust keep it and bitch some of  your money back17:12
Hurrianvi_, I kept my box, the dark foil and the ear buds in the plastic.17:13
HurrianWith a can of air, I can get rid of the dust inside the thing.17:13
vi_Hurrian: You are 1 in 2 ppl that I know of who does that.17:13
Hurrianwhat's important is checking the flash logs in mtd1 ;)17:13
vi_I am the second.17:13
SkryI have box i mint condition, device however.. D17:13
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vi_ebay is full of bastards.17:13
raccoon_yeah the box is easy to keep mint, that's not the one you use ;)17:14
HurrianSkry, I wonder how people scuff up their N900s17:14
vi_and ol'man ebay does not give a shit.17:14
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Hurrianmy spare device has been dropped quite a few times and looks just as mint as my princess N900.17:14
HurrianI mean, I saw some people shatter the back cover.17:14
vi_I wont even let mine out of the drawer without a screen protector!17:14
ShadowJKlol, i just checked mtd2 on my N900. this n900 was from Nokia Care after first died17:15
vi_Jay_BEE: How much did you pay?17:15
Jay_BEEwhat's the default password for 'sudo'?17:15
HurrianJay_BEE, none!17:15
Jay_BEEvi_: $22917:15
ShadowJKit has evidence someone else used it before17:15
HurrianOuch. Pricey.17:15
vi_Jay_BEE: Is it in more or less mint condition?17:15
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Jay_BEEit appears to be in mint condition17:15
vi_no scratches, not even minor ones.17:16
HurrianJay_BEE, if sudo asks for a password, install sudser/rootsh from Extras17:16
SkryHurrian: yeah well, I did work at construnctions for year and a half with N900 so it kinda shows17:16
Jay_BEEvi_: it's mint as far as I can tell17:16
vi_the slider is still crisp and clunk-clicks like a new mercedes door?17:16
HurrianJay_BEE, don't call it mint until you check mtd1.17:16
Jay_BEEvi_: :) yes17:16
vi_Hurrian: How do I check mtd1??17:16
Jay_BEEHurrian: I was talking to the physical appearance17:17
Hurrianvi_, "# strings /dev/mtd1ro"17:17
Hurriankernel flashes should be blatantly obvious, if you see "-power(x)" in there.17:17
vi_what is the ordering?17:18
vi_oldest stuff first?17:18
vi_dur, obviously.17:18
Hurrianvi_, yup17:18
Jay_BEEI'm not going to install anything to it, I'm returning it today and wait for the seller to resend this or another one, hopefully properly reflashed  hehehe17:18
Hurrian"ConF \n kernel-ver \n*" = non-virgin device.17:19
vi_My one appears to have had the product code changed?17:19
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Hurrianpeople change the product code on N900s?17:20
vi_Hurrian: could you pastebin your mtd1?17:21
vi_you dont have to if you dont want ofc.17:21
Hurrianvi_, just a sec.17:21
vi_Hurrian: ty17:22
jon_yvi_: is C1 power saving state?17:24
jon_y     C0 |  98.4% |          |  1150 MHz |   nan% |17:24
jon_y     C1 |   1.6% |   51.1ms |17:24
jon_y     C2 |   0.0% |    0.1ms |17:24
jon_y     C3 |   0.0% |          |17:24
jon_y     C4 |   0.0% |          |17:24
vi_jon_y: DO NOT PASTE INTO IRC!!17:25
vi_freenode will ban you in like 2 seconds.17:25
jon_yok, I will remember that17:25
raccoon_errrr, what? freenode takes no direct action against pasting17:25
Hurrianfreshly reflashed with PR1.3 around a week ago.17:26
raccoon_what are you talking about17:26
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vi_MUM502677 <---what is this?17:26
jon_yvi_: also, pastebinit_1.3-4_all.deb depends on python-configobj17:26
vi_raccoon_: if you paste large ammounts into freenode, it gets caught by the spam filter.17:26
raccoon_however you might get a timeout and disconnect if pasting too much, but it will have to be excessive17:26
raccoon_vi_: there are no such thing as a spam filter.17:26
Skryone does simply not paste into irc17:26
raccoon_but there are limits on excess flooding17:26
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vi_jon_y: oh.  Install pastebinit from the repos first.17:27
jon_yok, n900 has it17:27
vi_and the one from sid will not install?17:27
vi_installed for me.17:27
vi_which was good, as the one in maemorepo is old and broken now.17:27
vi_raccoon_: Ok, but I am pretty sure I have been kick+banned for pasting into IRC.17:28
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Hurrianalso, vi_, yes, on this N900 I have not set a lock code.17:28
vi_and no, it was not docscrutinizer on the rag.17:28
jon_yfreemangordon: dmesg
jon_yactually, nevermind17:29
jon_ysome top parts are permanently missing17:29
vi_jon_y: 'C' states are the sleep level of the CPU.17:29
vi_C0 is awake.17:29
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vi_C4 is off.17:29
vi_C1-3 are inbetween.17:30
vi_the 'deeper' the sleep state (higher the level 1>4) the less power your CPU is using.17:30
vi_Ideally your CPU will be in C4 most of the time only waking up to process some shit, then it will go back to sleep.17:31
jon_yok, maybe it was due to the wifi, will retry17:31
vi_If there is somthing running continuously, your CPU will never achieve C4 sleep and it will use a lot more power.17:31
vi_jon_y: You are not doing something stupid like setting 'bleeding edge' wifi drivers as the default?17:32
jon_yno, it's stock17:32
vi_So the crazy thing about your powertop output is we can see your processor is never getting into C4 for very long.17:33
vi_Hence the poor battery life, hot N900.17:33
jon_ylsmod says wl12xx17:33
vi_However according to the cpu utillisation, Your N900 is dooing nothing.17:34
vi_jon_y: run top as root17:34
raccoon_vi_: that might be true, but the reason is not that you pasted but that you hit a limit of certain amount of lines in a certain amount of time. you get kicked out to not waste bandwith on the server and/or cause bad service for other users, not because you are pasting text. but it's usually required to be lots of lines in a short period (like more than 10 lines in a second)17:34
jon_yok, now it says c4 in most time17:34
vi_raccoon_: Just like pasting.17:35
jon_ystill 1.5%17:35
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vi_1.5%in c4?17:35
Hurrianvi_, but if CPU utilisation is near zero and you're hitting C4, the top CPU state allowed by the governor, sonething's spiking the CPU a lot.17:35
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jon_yvi_: yes17:35
jon_ywhat do I look for in top?17:35
vi_Hurrian: Yeah, but there is nothing listed as active in top or powertop.17:36
raccoon_vi_: yeah, if pasting A LOT. but don't tell people not to paste at all or they will get kicked/banned, that's not true.17:36
vi_jon_y: I would expect around 97% in C4 for my device offline and doing nothing.17:36
vi_raccoon_: Ok.17:36
Hurrianwait, were those powertop results taken when the screen was locked?17:36
vi_Hurrian: That is what he was told.17:37
vi_Also there would be a fuck load more wakeups if the screen was unlocked.17:37
Hurrianouch, C0 sleep is the only thing keeping the N900 with a charge lasting more than 8 hours.17:38
vi_jon_y: sort top by CPU useage.17:38
vi_look at the top processes.17:38
vi_is there anything funny there?17:39
vi_'bridge_work_que' or some shit?17:39
jon_ydbus daemon17:40
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jon_yanything wrong with the list?17:41
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jon_yis cpufrequi any good?17:44
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Hurrianjon_y, it works, but it's preferred to use kernel-config17:47
jon_yis cpufrequi the gui frontend?17:48
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vi_any of them persistently using more than 1.5%17:54
freemangordonhmm, what about removig uSD and SIM, just in case.17:56
vi_jon_y: You are ssh into the n900 right?17:56
vi_jon_y: ?17:57
freemangordonvi_: though I am not sure what you'll see in powertop if a process is constantly crashing and restarted by dsme17:57
vi_freemangordon: We would see SOMETHING.17:57
vi_that powertop output is like my powertop output with the device at rest.17:57
vi_It defies my expeiance,17:57
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vi_fuck my smelling17:58
freemangordonvi_: I thought powertop shows only the active processes17:58
freemangordonjon_y: do you have syslogd installed?17:59
vi_and dsme is a process.  Also it measures how many wakeups occour.17:59
freemangordonaah, yes17:59
freemangordonwell, then it is not something waking the CPU up, but something preventing it to exit C018:00
vi_that is a good way to look at it.18:00
freemangordonthough it still does not make sense. powertop output that is18:01
vi_but what would stop CPU from going to sleep that is NOT a 'rude' process?18:01
freemangordonwell, maybe he'd better reflash18:02
vi_What do you hear if you put your ear to a Unix shell?18:02
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vi_The sound of the C.18:02
ShadowJKwhile true; do sleep 1 ; done  <- shows up in powertop as sleep with one wakeup, but like 30 lines of different sleep18:04
freemangordonShadowJK: did you follow yesterday's conversation re PA?18:04
freemangordonat the end it turned up that PA CPU usage depends on the volume :D18:05
freemangordonany idea why?18:05
ShadowJKSo what does it look like when you compare different pa compiles with identical volume?18:05
ShadowJKNo it doesnt really make sense18:05
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freemangordontry it18:06
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freemangordonotherwise gcc 4.7 with -O3 -mthumb and -ffasth-math is the slowest one18:06
freemangordon-O2 -mthumb -fno-fast-math is as fast as stock18:07
Skryfreemangordon: doc did say something about limiter/compressor which would cause that, dunno if this is the case though18:07
freemangordonSkry: could be, but it is about 10%@250, too much for my taste18:08
Skryyeah, it is too much18:08
ShadowJKI wouldn't think it would vary with volume18:10
ShadowJKheadphone would show, i guess18:10
freemangordonShadowJK: just try it, play a song and watch top18:10
freemangordonusing built-in speakers18:10
freemangordonwhen the volume is about 50% CPU usage is 15-20 %18:11
freemangordonwhen on max it jumps to 26-30 %18:11
ShadowJKI mostly use my N900 at volumes 1-5 :-'18:11
kerioShadowJK: only when on speaker tho18:12
ShadowJKMaybe it's some sort of multipass thing18:13
freemangordoncould be18:13
vi_ShadowJK: That is just what I was thinking.18:13
keriofreemangordon: so which are you going to use?18:13
keriolike, which options?18:13
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vi_It has to be some form of digital filtering.18:13
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freemangordonunfortunately nothing to be done here18:14
vi_or some shit.18:14
Skrywell, what Doc said makes sense, more volume -> compressor has more to do. If there is such thing.18:14
vi_Skry: There is a closed source nokia PA plug in.18:14
ShadowJKSkry, that's not how it usually works18:14
freemangordonmost of PA is already optimized, and we can;t do anything for closed parts18:14
keriovi_: what if we disable it?18:14
freemangordonkerio: we can;t18:14
keriofreemangordon: are you sure the stock one is compiled with -O3 -ffast-math?18:15
freemangordonkerio: yes18:15
kerioit feels wrong that it's as fast as a more recent gcc with -O2 and -fno-fast-math18:15
freemangordonactually it makes sense18:15
Skryvi_: actually there is more than one closed source nokia PA plugin.18:15
vi_Skry: oh.18:16
SkryShadowJK: dont know much about the matter, just repeated words of other which kinda made sense to me :)18:16
keriofreemangordon: well, -O3 isn't guaranteed to be faster iirc18:16
vi_What I would really like is to be able to play recordings while on a phone call.18:16
vi_Except the 'policy' file is written in trollog.18:17
vi_And I have NFC how to do it.18:17
freemangordonkerio: my theory says that newer gcc uses NEON vectorizer in more places than older. But as NEON is still not that good , the result is slower code18:17
vi_pali: make it so.18:17
freemangordon*NEON vectorizer18:17
keriofreemangordon: disable it18:17
ShadowJKO3 makes much bigger code, which might make cpu caches suffer18:17
freemangordonthis one too18:17
kerioalso use -Os18:17
freemangordonkerio: Os is not a good idea18:18
ShadowJKI've never actually seen the gcc vectorizer do anything useful on any architechture18:18
freemangordonI am going to -O2 an f-no-fast-math18:18
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freemangordonthat one produces 260k less code18:18
freemangordonwith same speed as stock18:18
vi_In other news, I have aquired a new PC!!18:18
keriofreemangordon: what about -Os?18:18
keriovi_: yay!18:18
vi_a 3ghz P4 with 2GB of ram.18:18
vi_What a fucking beast.18:19
vi_+2 20GB IDE HDD18:19
freemangordonkerio: never used it and don't want to experiment with PA ;)18:19
RST38hShadowJK: Scores of compiler developers will disagree and become violent at your comment!18:19
keriofreemangordon: it's just less than O218:19
freemangordonRST38h: at least for ARM he is right18:19
vi_ShadowJK: you do not want to piss off compiler developers.  Theya re into some nasty shit.18:19
freemangordonI did benchmarks with openssl18:20
kerioit should result in less space used, so if it's as fast...18:20
vi_freemangordon: Is there instructions some where to set up this thumb tool chain of yours?18:20
keriovi_: hahaha wt18:20
kerioa P4?18:20
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freemangordon-ftree-vectorize -ffast-math produces aout 10% slower code18:20
freemangordonvi_: yes, on wiki18:20
vi_YEAH. P4.18:20
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freemangordonjust a minute18:20
freemangordonvi_: come on, I am with Phenom II here18:21
freemangordonI use it to heat my room :D18:21
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freemangordon160W or something18:22
keriovi_: i hope that's not really your new computer18:22
freemangordon(when compiling KP of course)18:22
vi_kerio: yes...why?18:23
keriovi_: wtf, it's awful18:23
vi_But I got a matching keyboard and mouse.18:23
vi_NExt you will be saying my 32" CRT is a bullshit.18:24
keriooh, it's ok then18:24
Skryvi_: I was testing the pulseaudio install and calls on Arch and I did just that, voice call and music playing simultaneously (PA @ ~35% cpu)18:24
keriovi_: resolution? refresh rate?18:24
keriois the geometric distortion noticeable!18:24
Skryok, P4 I can still understand but.. CRT! your eyes?!18:25
vi_kerio: Yes, both.18:25
kerioer, ?18:25
kerioit's got resolution *and* refresh rate?18:25
vi_Badass, I know.18:25
vi_Ok, that was all lies.18:25
freemangordonyou don;t have new PC?18:26
vi_I do not actually have a matching keyboard and mouse.18:26
vi_The PC is as I described, I have a 32" LCD that I found on the street.18:26
vi_It had a posit note on it that said 'this is broken!'.18:27
vi_I was like, lol WTFever.18:27
vi_It was indeed broken.18:27
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vi_Just a burst capacitor on the PSU board.18:27
vi_Swapped it with some random cap I had (with a greater capacitance, correct voltage). It has ran fine for the past 4 years or so.18:28
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freemangordonhmm, maybe we can ask Pali to tweak prolog code to allow phone calls when BT HF is connected with music playing through either built-in speakers or 3.5 mm18:28
vi_how does one import a debian source package into SB?18:29
vi_Then magically churn it out as a deb?18:30
freemangordonapt-get source18:34
freemangordonor dpkg -x your_cool_source.dsc18:34
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freemangordonand after that dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b18:35
freemangordon-b is for binary only, without source package18:35
freemangordonvi_: ^^^18:35
vi_Maybe I can contribute by thumb-ifying newer versions of abandoned shit.18:40
vi_libpoppler and evince for example.18:41
vi_claws mail.18:41
freemangordonyeah, why not18:41
vi_there is a multitude of reasons why not!18:41
freemangordonwe can ask merlin1991 to create maemo-extras-thumb repo18:41
vi_freemangordon: I have a raging boner at the thought.18:42
freemangordonvi_: can't help with that one :P18:42
vi_freemangordon: I always wanted to know.18:43
vi_freemangordon: Do you actually like the half life games?18:43
freemangordonyes. Actually HL is along the only a couple of games I really like. HL, freespace,umm,... lemme think...18:44
freemangordonheroes (3)18:44
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freemangordonthat's it18:45
freemangordonHL has very good (and weird) humor, maybe that is why I like it so much18:46
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freemangordonkerio: new PA in -thumb, please test19:03
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DocScrutinizer05[2012-10-29 17:11:24] <freemangordon> when on max it jumps to 26-30 %19:06
DocScrutinizer05[2012-10-28 23:02:59] <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: not strange - PROTX has a limiter/compressor19:07
DocScrutinizer05[2012-10-28 23:03:26] <DocScrutinizer51> the louder you set the volume, the more it got to do19:07
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: makes no sense, why it has to do more, after all tih is just a high=pass filter19:08
DocScrutinizer05see ^^^19:08
freemangordonwell, ok19:09
DocScrutinizer05I suspect a severe case of overengineering19:09
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DocScrutinizer05the link from thermo to PA is another strong indication they just did too much19:10
DocScrutinizer05probably speaker DS says: 0.7W @20°C, 0.55W @100°C19:12
DocScrutinizer05so they found they need at least a 7th order polynomial to really take all parameters into account19:16
DocScrutinizer05with average and all19:16
freemangordonhmm, might be19:17
DocScrutinizer05XPROT been written in <4 weeks afaik19:17
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DocScrutinizer05from scratch, when they found the speaker emit blue magic smoke19:18
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DocScrutinizer05so they were like "let's make damn sure this never ever can ahppen again, don't miss the faintest influence on what goes on with those speakers!"19:19
GeneralAntillesThe council wiki stuff is so outdated.19:20
DocScrutinizer05after all at that time they just had suffered like 3+ months delay from USB fsckup, and everybody already been thoroughly pissed19:20
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DocScrutinizer05and hotline when I asked when T F they will send my N900 I already paid for, told me "we found another error. So we need to fix that first. You'd not want a device that breaks after two weeks, you rather want a device shipped 2 weeks later"19:22
RST38hDo I?19:22
DocScrutinizer05my words ;-P19:22
DocScrutinizer05esp since around that time the rumour had it that it's sth about speakers (I thought "duh, I'll not use them at extreme level, done, next! gimme my N900!!!") and it's been quite obvious that their fix would be in SW which can get updated any time later19:24
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DocScrutinizer05must've been real fun and all smiles inside Nokia maemo division at that time19:25
RST38hnot sure19:26
RST38hprobably as usual - "we are behind schedule by X weeks and nothing hasbeen done yet"19:26
RST38h+ cameos from UX and security people19:26
DocScrutinizer05actually sth been done, they had my money since ~4 month19:27
RST38hWho, unfortunately, are not ok to murder19:27
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keriofreemangordon: hold on, testing19:35
keriofreemangordon: can i restart pulseaudio or do i have to reboot?19:35
freemangordonreboot, just for sure19:35
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keriofreemangordon: what do i have to test?19:42
keriosound works19:43
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freemangordonhow is the CPU usage?19:43
freemangordoncompared to stock19:44
freemangordonshould be about the same19:44
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kerioi have no fucking clue19:45
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freemangordonkerio: going to push berkeley DB in the repo, test if you dare, but make a backup of your contacts (just in cas, I am running it on my primary device for 3 weeks)19:48
freemangordonkerio: just tell me how much space is freed19:50
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keriofreemangordon: libdb4.2?20:03
kerio258kB freed20:03
freemangordonso, from PA and libdb we have about 600k more free  space (and maybe RAM)20:04
kerioshould i make a backup?20:04
freemangordonif it is your primary device, you'd better do20:04
freemangordonesp contacts DB20:04
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freemangordonhmm, I am out of ideas what else to put in the next update20:09
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keriofreemangordon: fuckin TRACKER20:10
freemangordonkerio: why?20:11
freemangordondo you think it runs slowly?20:11
keriorecompiling it with a better compiler is still much worse than the proper solution20:12
* RST38h waited to say that20:13
kerioand carpetbomb the developers' whole countries20:13
keriofreemangordon: i still appear to have contacts! yay!20:13
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you think that a tactical nuke is enough to destroy poettering's heritage?20:14
freemangordonkerio: the problem with trackerd is still not solved AFAIK. missing .flac and .ogg20:14
keriobecause that could be an even better target20:14
freemangordonWTF? where is the source code of calendar-backend?20:15
keriono srsly, recompile tracker20:15
freemangordonI won't until the bug is solved. It seems there are lots of clueless -thumb users I don;t w't to break their .flac and .ogg playback20:16
kerio420 BLAZE IT FAGGOT20:16
kerio( )20:16
freemangordonWTF? "E: Unable to find a source package for calendar-backend"20:18
freemangordonwasn't that open source?20:18
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freemangordonANyone has an idea WTF is that
VDVsxsome old stuff, I guess, last commit in July 22 201020:28
freemangordonit is the same version as the one on the device20:28
VDVsxah, yah, n900 :D20:29
VDVsxmost probably some parts are closed source20:29
freemangordonthe question is why is that on gitorious when there is no source code in maemo repo20:30
infobotmethinks closed_packages is
keriorelicensed, apparently20:30
keriofreemangordon: nobody will care, i hope you realize that20:34
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aklsvi_, hey! :)20:38
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aklsvi_, I have a question about this article
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aklsvi_, how can I make xbindkeys automatically work after reboot20:38
aklsvi_, and how can I make it work in easy debian20:38
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kerioeasydebian is bad and you should feel bad!20:45
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aklskerio, wtf, why?20:47
kerioi looked at the scripts it uses, they're a giant mess20:47
RST38hMoo, VDVsx, how is life after Maemo?20:47
aklskerio, then make it better20:48
aklsbecause I need it anyway20:48
VDVsxRST38h, hey, well, there was meego, ___, and now something else, so going good :)20:51
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kerioRST38h: there's something after maemo? :O21:04
MrPinguwhere or what? :o21:07
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RST38hVDVsx: working for Jolla? =)~21:21
VDVsxRST38h, yeah21:22
Palifreemangordon, calendar-backend is calendar engine21:25
Paliit is code for store/access calendar database21:25
Palicalendar-ui (closed) is based on calendar-backend21:25
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Palicalendar-backend was open sourced, but nokia forgot to include it into SDK21:26
Palisource code on gitorious (in branch PE1) is PR1.3 source code21:26
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PaliRST38h, VDVsx, I do not trust any company. There will be again hell of non free blobs and secure boots... only next dead and useless SW21:30
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PaliMaemo 5 (the best mobile os) has a lot of closed critical parts:
RST38hVDVsx: Gooood =)21:34
RST38hThe more sane people work there, the better are chances to finally get a decent, supported device =)21:35
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freemangordonPali: thanks21:42
Palifreemangordon, going to rebuild it for thumb?21:43
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freemangordonPali: yes21:43
freemangordonthat was the idea, .so is more than 1MiB21:44
Paliyou can also look for other relicensed packages21:46
Palimaybe there are more big binaries, which can be recompiled21:47
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aklsvi_, :O23:15
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aklsfrom the wiki dbus-send --system --print-reply /com/nokia/mce/request string:PatternIncomingCall23:50
aklsare there any other patterns?23:50
aklswhat if I want vibration to be constant23:51
jon_yvi_: ok, will try another debug session after I get back from work23:51
jon_ydsme and syslogd23:51
aklsok! found them in /etc/mce/mce.ini23:55
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