IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-10-22

DocScrutinizer05t900:~# uptime00:00
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DocScrutinizer05 23:12:29 up 1 min, load average: 5.03, 1.56, 0.5400:00
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i sometimes get that, but only after doing something with charge*.sh00:00
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# df -h /00:00
DocScrutinizer05Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on00:00
kerio(in backupmenu, mostly)00:00
DocScrutinizer05rootfs                  227.9M    220.1M      3.6M  98% /00:00
kerioDocScrutinizer05: see00:00
* RST38h always suspected Maemo and possums had something in common00:00
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r--    1 root     root     29316716 Oct 14 14:02 syslog00:01
RST38h(aside from being terminally cute, I mean)00:01
keriowell, du -mx | sort -n00:01
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DocScrutinizer05Oh lol, 80 friggin new mails00:02
keriowait, modest caused this?00:02
RST38hkerio: are you surprised or what?00:05
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kerio220mb used? hell yeah i'm surprised00:05
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: isn't 228mb a bit small anyway?00:05
keriohow old is this n900?00:05
RST38hDoc: So, did you have a chance to look at the log before delering it?00:06
RST38hDoc: Who shat that much?00:06
DocScrutinizer05yeah, ended Sep 2900:07
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i thought the rootfs was bigger than that00:07
DocScrutinizer05never been00:07
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ubifs avoids bad blocks, though00:07
DocScrutinizer05the real mess: there's no single huge file to delete00:08
kerioDocScrutinizer05: install cssu-thumb00:08
DocScrutinizer05though I wonder where's the 29MB eaten by now deleted syslog gone00:08
DocScrutinizer05 29316716 Oct 14 14:02 syslog00:09
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DocScrutinizer05I wonder if it's still eating blocks or sth00:10
RST38hAh, this part is simple00:10
RST38hDoc: Maemo rootfs reports full file sizes but compresses them in flash00:10
RST38hDoc: So, when you delete a 29MB text file, the freed space may well only account for 3MB00:11
keriooh yeah, and df -h reports the on-nand sizes00:11
RST38hThis behaviour is only true for / though, MMC-based stuff measures normally00:11
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: thought as much, but compression ratio 10:1 ?00:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's not unheard of00:13
kerioespecially for something with very little entropy like a log00:13
ShadowJKdu vs du --apparent-size? :)00:13
* ShadowJK guesses busybox du doesn't have it00:13
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: bingo00:13
kerioDocScrutinizer05: gnu du has it00:14
DocScrutinizer05 :-/00:16
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DocScrutinizer05WTF /usr/share/nokia-maps00:17
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kerioi've got a 1mb "rdat" file there00:19
DocScrutinizer05ubifs \o/00:19
DocScrutinizer05Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on00:19
DocScrutinizer05rootfs                  227.9M    188.4M     35.3M  84% /00:19
DocScrutinizer05F U ubifs00:20
DocScrutinizer05I actually did NUTTIN to regain that space - no boot, no deleting any file00:20
kerioDocScrutinizer05: did you sync?00:21
DocScrutinizer05just moved from  3.6M  98% /  to   35.3M  84% /00:21
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HurrianDocScrutinizer, reboot to make ubifs recount00:21
kerioi mean, did you sync after deleting syslog?00:21
DocScrutinizer05yep, but that been before boot00:22
keriohm, weird00:22
keriooh well, must've autorepaired something00:22
DocScrutinizer053.6M  98% /  to   35.3M  84% / been *after* reboot00:22
keriohooray for ubifs00:22
DocScrutinizer05ubifs \o/00:22
ShadowJKI think the reboot thing is a remnant from jffs2 days. To mount jffs2, the entire filesystem is scanned, and all metadata is read into ram, where it keeps hogging ram.00:22
ShadowJKOne of the big points about ubifs was that mounting it is fast, so it probably resumes after a reboot from the same state it had before reboot.00:23
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: but how do you explain free space 3.6M  98% /  to   35.3M  84% /, *without* any reboot or anything in between?00:23
ShadowJKIt probably has garbage collection running when idle :-)00:24
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the free space is an estimate00:24
RST38hDoc: 10:1 is not unusual, not for syslog anyway00:24
DocScrutinizer05something like fsckng garbage collection00:24
RST38hDoc: You have got a text file with a dictionary of what? 200 words?00:24
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: quite possible, yes00:24
ShadowJKOn my sheevaplug where I have a nilfs2 partition, the delay between deleting files and free space appearing can be hours :-)00:24
DocScrutinizer05nevertheless see new miracle00:25
RST38hDoc: The short answer is "ubifs is weird"00:25
kerioDocScrutinizer05: especially "Dirty space"00:25
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DocScrutinizer05:nod: >>Another possibility would be to implement background GC in UBIFS (just like in JFFS2), which would lessen effect of dirty space with time.<< seems somebody did00:29
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: thanks for link00:32
DocScrutinizer05very useful00:32
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kerioubifs is *really* weird00:33
keriobut also neat00:33
DocScrutinizer05so, stack cleanup, back tp Psotnick00:33
kerioDocScrutinizer05: is it safe to play around with gpio?00:34
DocScrutinizer05basically yes00:34
DocScrutinizer05though that depends00:35
DocScrutinizer05in theory you could create a short00:35
kerioin particular, is it safe to set pin 160 to write mode and turn it on?00:35
DocScrutinizer05but I guess the chip won't care too much00:35
DocScrutinizer05yes, should be safe, except maybe you create an output of high level to a sensor with open collector output shorting that to GND00:36
DocScrutinizer05the result might not help in the end, since reading back from outputs usually still represents real level seen at pin00:37
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DocScrutinizer05which probably still is low00:37
DocScrutinizer05Oct 21 23:46:26 t900 kernel: [ 2222.749023] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible00:37
DocScrutinizer05Oct 21 23:46:26 t900 kernel: [ 2223.059051] mmc0: card e624 removed00:37
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DocScrutinizer05first thing in syslog on opening back cover00:38
DocScrutinizer05so no msg about [GPIO 160]00:39
DocScrutinizer05oooh tracker STFU!00:40
DocScrutinizer05Oct 21 23:53:09 t900 tracker-indexer[1655]: GLIB WARNING ** Tracker - No data was allocated for row 0, this means the database contained NULL or non-managed values for all the data in it00:40
DocScrutinizer05* 1000000:40
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DocScrutinizer05here's what I hoped to see for gpio160 as well: Oct 21 23:54:35 t900 kernel: [ 2711.715667] slide (GPIO 71) is now open00:42
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DocScrutinizer05anyway if you wanna patch kernel module, search for "mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible"00:44
DocScrutinizer05NB the mmc number = 000:45
DocScrutinizer05for kernel it's still mmc0 on uSD and mmc1 on eMMC00:45
DocScrutinizer05rationale: the romboot will check on mmc0 for xloader, but not on mmc100:46
vi__aaaah, the old insta-dismount mmc on door open problem.00:46
DocScrutinizer05so it's kinda logical to have a removable media on mmc000:46
DocScrutinizer05vi__: yep00:46
vi__You would think they would at lest make it unmount gracefully.00:47
DocScrutinizer05Psotnick has problem with his hall sensor broken00:47
vi__some people stick a tiny magnet inside the case.00:47
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DocScrutinizer05his sensor is defect00:47
vi__that sucks, it is not like yu can just chmod 444 a /sys entry for the backdoor sensor.00:48
DocScrutinizer05which is a tad unfortunate since you can't use a perfectly working uSD slot anymore00:48
vi__it works at an annoyingly low level.00:48
vi__remove hall sensor component and short the pads?00:49
DocScrutinizer05do NOT short the pads00:49
vi__or leave open as appropriate.00:49
vi__no? oh well.00:49
DocScrutinizer05well I dunno, my logic says it should usually not consume power via the pullup resistor00:50
DocScrutinizer05so magnet-detected should _open_ the 'switch'00:50
vi__as I said 'or leave open as appropriate.'00:51
DocScrutinizer05seems Psotnick isn't that eager to do hw meddling00:51
vi__I have not look at the schematic so I have NFC how the hall sensor is hooked up.00:51
vi__DocScrutinizer05: then his n900 is fucked.00:52
DocScrutinizer05the plan been to patch the kernel driver to ignore the sensor00:52
vi__I have wanted that for 1+ year.00:53
vi__even better than that...00:53
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DocScrutinizer05a great idea actually00:53
DocScrutinizer05allow kernel parameter to enable or disable the sensor00:53
kerioDocScrutinizer05: if it should be off when the backcover is closed, it should be fairly easy, right?00:54
keriojust physically remove the sensor00:54
vi__make it check for some setting that either obeys sensor, plays loud noise+vibrates on actuation by sensor or just outright ignore it.00:54
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DocScrutinizer05well, there's still that ESD/EMI-filter00:55
vi__so I got my sip to work.00:56
DocScrutinizer05it has two tranzorbs/Zener to GND, and a series resistor00:56
vi__I have even hooked up an old e65 to be the house sip phone.00:56
vi__final piece was to setup mrs vi__ with sip on her 5800.00:57
vi__It has the sip stack.00:57
DocScrutinizer05kerio: which means you can't create that bad a short when plaing with GPIO00:57
vi__It has settings to define a sip provider.00:57
vi__it has no function to create a sip call.00:57
vi__Nokia REMOVED the sip call function on purpose.00:58
DocScrutinizer05Oct 22 00:04:08 t900 telepathy-sofiasip[1449]: nta_agent: received garbage from udp/
DocScrutinizer05Oct 22 00:04:36 t900 last message repeated 2 times00:58
DocScrutinizer05vi__: sipgate00:58
vi__what are you trying to tell me?00:59
DocScrutinizer05just telling you sipgate keep alive mechanism is flooding my syslog00:59
vi__you can set the keepalive method/timeout though.01:00
DocScrutinizer05which I probably should do, but afaik you can't extend keep-alive interval as suggested by peer, only shorten it01:01
SpeedEvilis battery use with sip terrible?01:01
DocScrutinizer05not that bad01:01
SpeedEvilI seem to get a dayish idle01:01
DocScrutinizer05on WLAN I get way more01:01
ShadowJKvi__, at one point in time, Nokia considered SIP an "Enterprise" feature, and it was only enabled in their E-series phones.01:02
SpeedEvilon Alan01:02
SpeedEvilon wlan01:02
vi__I have left the e65 connected to wifi with sip for 27 hours now.  it has not lost any 'bars' of battery from the meter.01:02
vi__ShadowJK: it costs them nothing to include an executable.01:03
vi__what the fuck where they thinking?01:03
ShadowJKThey were thinking some people would pay extra for e-series to get the enterprisey features01:03
vi__I had forgotten how much of a pain in the testes symbian is.01:04
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vi__n900 for life.01:04
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vi__I did't choose the unix life, the unix life chose me.01:05
DocScrutinizer05I fell for it01:05
DocScrutinizer05in the late 70s01:06
ShadowJKMy Nokia E75, for example, had a non-e-series equivalent. The E75 is pretty cumbersome for playing music or multimedia. The non-E E75 has volume controls and music controls on the hw keys. E75 on the other hand, has SIP, vpn, provisioning, office suite, and less plastic.01:06
DocScrutinizer05now we got N9 and hooker ;-P01:07
vi__all nice software features that should be rolled out on all symbian devices as standard.01:07
vi__n9 is a stinker.01:08
DocScrutinizer05hooker is a bitch ;-P01:08
vi__I must get another n900...or 2.01:08
DocScrutinizer05still hard to tell them apart01:08
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vi__what n9 and whores?01:09
DocScrutinizer05vi__: hurry before I snatch them all away01:09
DocScrutinizer05spanish whore01:09
* ShadowJK has 78.1M free on /01:09
vi__It is just so risky to buy them 2nd hand.01:09
ShadowJKhm, I've gotten 2 good ones so far01:10
DocScrutinizer05that's why I buy those "new2 ones01:10
vi__half of the n900s on ebay are fucked.01:10
DocScrutinizer05used ones a kinda ... so used01:10
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vi__even ones with broken usb sell for a nice price.01:10
* DocScrutinizer05 should get #5 and #601:11
vi__although I did see a brand new one, still with scrreen foil for only £190.01:11
SpeedEvilI was looking recently01:11
vi__SpeedEvil: uk?01:11
SpeedEvilI missed one. eBay app notification needs to be loader01:11
ShadowJKSeems declared-to-work scratch-free N900s are going for 100€ here01:12
SpeedEvil50 quid for no USB01:12
vi__ShadowJK: where do you liive?01:12
vi__n900 not black metal enough?01:12
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DocScrutinizer05so who's going to finally fix that backcover hallsensor idiocy for good? patch mmc kernel module01:14
vi__DocScrutinizer05: you?01:15
DocScrutinizer05sounds like a job for KP01:15
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ShadowJKMarch 2012, bought my current devN900, for 120€01:16
ShadowJKEverything working on it, scratchfree screen01:16
aklstrying to install moc. ./configure says that "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" . I have installed gcc-4.6 but it didn't help01:16
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ShadowJKtry build-essential01:18
vi__worth a shot?01:19
aklsShadowJK, package build-essential has no installation candidate01:20
ShadowJKvi__, battery is fucked, usb port us fucked, or entire thing is fucked01:20
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ShadowJK11€, go for it01:20
DocScrutinizer05akls: trying to build on target? will give a much PITA01:20
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ShadowJKuh, £01:20
vi__n900 is expensive here.01:21
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aklsDocScrutinizer05, somebody said here that he was able to install moc01:21
aklsso I'm trying to do the same01:21
aklsJade it was01:21
DocScrutinizer05vi__: get it from the continent then, you islander01:22
aklsJade how did you compile moc?01:22
Jadei forgot what deps i needed01:22
Jadeit was a while ago01:22
aklsJade for now I'm getting error "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"01:22
DocScrutinizer05I guess you used SB nevertheless01:22
Jadeakls, add the nokia repo with dev tools then you can install gcc, binutils and other stuff01:23
Jadehold on01:23
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DocScrutinizer05you built a huge project on N900 ?01:23
* ShadowJK used to do that in Maemo4 days01:23
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Jadethen add "deb fremantle/<token_number_here> nokia-binaries01:23
Jadein sources.list01:23
Jadeit should have all the deps you need for moc, if my memory serves me right01:24
Jadejust needs gcc, binutils and some other misc stuff i forgot now01:24
DocScrutinizer05Jade: on N900??01:24
vi__you know what would be good?01:24
Jademoc isnt too heavy to compile directly on n90001:24
aklsok! thanks01:24
vi__status menu in task switcher.01:24
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DocScrutinizer05vi__: really? why?01:25
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DocScrutinizer05I admit I found it a little bit annoying sometimes to have to switch back to desktop01:25
DocScrutinizer05but usually my taskswitcher is opened for <3s01:26
Skryvi__: I find my n900 perfectly black metal enough to host my Horna and Behexen albums. Can't still figure out that fscking modifier key thingy though.01:26
aklsJade, what is scratchbox?01:27
DocScrutinizer05akls: the crosscompiling environment on PC01:27
aklssounds like something I don't really need01:27
aklsor what..01:27
DocScrutinizer05yeah, nobody likes it01:28
DocScrutinizer05but it's the only true development environment for maemo01:28
vi__Skry: but sweden is home of melodict death metal, not black metal!01:29
DocScrutinizer05while for on-device compiling you sooner or later run into obstacles like missing free space on rootfs and non-optified c libs etc01:29
vi__did you try changing rx-51?01:30
skopesweden is the home of göteborg metal01:30
skopeboing boing boing01:30
aklsis it ok that my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty?01:31
DocScrutinizer05akls: there are several approaches to overcome those obstacles, like optification, chroot, bindmounts, whatelse01:31
* ShadowJK remembers having gcc in /opt/ on his PC01:31
vi__skope: dont you mean gotheburg?01:31
vi__yeah, dismember rule like fuck!01:32
ShadowJKenglish: gothenburg swedish: göteborg01:32
vi__i am but a swednoob01:33
DocScrutinizer05Goth e Burg01:33
ShadowJKMany swedish places and provinces sound much cooler in english/latin than in swedish01:33
ShadowJKLike "Gothia".01:33
ShadowJKRandom weird fact: "The Swedish Empire" is included in wikipedia's list of longest lasting empires.01:34
ShadowJK(ended in 19th century)01:34
DocScrutinizer05isn't Goth something different than Metal?01:34
aklsis it ok that my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty?01:34
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skopevi__: göteborg is the scandinavian way of saying it ;)01:35
ShadowJKakls, that sounds normal, there's a sources.d directory probably?01:35
DocScrutinizer05akls: yes01:35
DocScrutinizer05ls -l /etc/apt/sources*01:36
Skryvi__: did edit it, got nothing useful done. configured ctrl level 3 as super, and tried to modifier_map it but it still shows up as control in modifier map though xev reports it to be super. Unholy.01:37
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DocScrutinizer05 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list 31701:37
vi__Skry: there is another possibility.01:39
vi__you could maybe use xbindkeys and xdotool to send super.01:39
vi__just like right click hack.01:39
DocScrutinizer05Jade: why don't you share your moc binary?01:41
DocScrutinizer05Jade: is the malware part not yet finalized? ;-D01:42
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Jadehold on just making sure the rootkit actually works on 2.6.2801:43
Jadethen ill upload01:43
ShadowJKlol wtf01:44
aklsso I have added a source from here to /etc/apt/source.list but I get same error on "apt-get install gcc" or build-essential - no installation candidate01:44
aklsand yes, I did apt-get update01:44
vi__holy f01:45
vi__have you guys seen tmo?01:46
vi__speciffically apkenv?01:46
vi__they said alien dalvik was a myth!01:46
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aklsJade :\01:50
ShadowJKwhat is alien dalvik?01:52
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akls<Jade> then add "deb fremantle/<token_number_here> nokia-binaries02:01
aklsmaybe you meant deb fremantle/sdk free non-free ?02:02
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aklsanytime I try to compile something myself..02:35
aklsI'm thinking that shooting my foot is going to be less painful02:35
ShadowJKshooting foot vs compiling on-device? certainly02:35
ShadowJKEspecially if it's something with more dependencies than libc02:36
aklscurrently I'm getting this error: configure: no Berkeley DB version 4 or higher found     configure: error: BerkeleyDB (libdb) not found02:36
aklsand I have installed libdb1 libdb4.2 libdb4.2++c202:36
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ShadowJKyou want the -devel varieties for compiling02:38
ShadowJKor -dev02:38
aklsbut there's no libdb-dev02:39
aklsor db-dev02:39
aklsshould be db4-devel02:40
aklsit's in fremantle sdk02:41
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aklsI hope it was the last error02:47
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GeneralAntillesI missed the drama on Talk last week.03:52
GeneralAntillesToo much fun.03:52
aklswhat drama?03:53
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ShadowJKHow can there be drama on a web forum04:47
ShadowJKIn my mind, there's so much effort involved in getting a web forum to display, that once you manage it, there'd be no energy left for drama04:48
ShadowJKThe effort part is why I don't follow tmo anymore04:49
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zsolthi!use bluemaemo to play games on my pc,but my problem is that cant press 2 keys at the same time in gamepad mode08:31
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LaoLang_coolHi, is it possible to create a shortcut for a directory or a file?08:48
LaoLang_coolI want to open a pdf quickly08:48
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DocScrutinizer05well, seems you could create a desktop shortcut for arbitrary http URL, then edit to file://path/to/file09:21
DocScrutinizer05LaoLang_cool: ^^^09:21
kerioDocScrutinizer05: so that microB can download it again?09:22
DocScrutinizer05no download09:22
DocScrutinizer05path/to/file is local09:22
kerioyes but microb will prompt you to open or download09:22
DocScrutinizer05WFM at least for text files (ascii)09:22
keriobut open is "download to tempdir then open"09:23
DocScrutinizer05as well as music09:23
keriomediaplayer handles urls, pdf viewer doesn't09:23
DocScrutinizer05well, if microB isn't able to start pdf viewer when URL points to a pdf, then you're out of luck09:24
kerioit can, but only after downloading, i think09:24
DocScrutinizer05FFS, I gathered the pdf is local anyway09:25
LaoLang_cooloh, still no friendly09:25
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's a URI like many others09:25
DocScrutinizer05so what?09:25
LaoLang_coolhow to quickly access a directory?09:26
DocScrutinizer05how about you test it instead of pestering me?09:26
kerioso i doubt it's special-cased09:26
kerioDocScrutinizer05: good morning to you too :309:26
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DocScrutinizer05first step: enter >> file://path/to/local/pdffile.pdf << into microB URL09:30
DocScrutinizer05step two: hit <enter>09:30
DocScrutinizer05any questions?09:34
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer05, No, thank you, it works :)09:34
LaoLang_coolI tried to find the shortcut file in filesytem, but failed...09:35
DocScrutinizer05now the trick is you need to create a shortcut for arbitrary URL on desktop, then edit the URL of that shortcut09:35
DocScrutinizer05I think e.g. tweakr can edit desktop shortcuts09:36
LaoLang_coolI don't know which file maemo creates for me, I searched *.desktop file in /usr/share/, but without luck09:36
DocScrutinizer05I already did that, but fail to recall *how* I did it, right now09:37
LaoLang_coolok, thank you DocScrutinizer05.09:38
LaoLang_coolThis way feels weired though, it will open a blank brower window, I have to close it manually09:38
DocScrutinizer05dammit, tweakr can only edit label, not URI09:38
DocScrutinizer05well, then at least you have an easy way to create the desktop shortcut ;-)09:40
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kerioyou can be lazy and add a browser bookmark09:50
LaoLang_coolYes, I've done it :)09:51
LaoLang_coolActually, I add a directory to it...09:51
LaoLang_coolso I can open other files easily in the same directory09:51
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djszapihi, is the n900 sim lock free? Can I check it somehow for sure?11:51
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jacekowskithere were no simlocked n900's as fas as i know11:52
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djszapithen perhaps my vodafone sim card is not active after no traffic for 2.5 months..11:57
djszapishould I still see 3g and vodafone ie for an inactive sim card in the top bar?11:58
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jacekowskiyou should be able to make emergency calls regardless11:58
djszapiI just wanna get my vodafone sim card used for an incoming call11:59
djszapias my other sim card in n9 is not working fine when serving long calls and ap in the meantime.11:59
djszapiap goes usually off.11:59
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djszapihow can I mute the incoming calls on my N900?12:57
djszapiwithout a hackish way just from the UI :-)12:57
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djszapiI do not seem to find any options for this in the settings.12:58
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trxflip the phone?12:59
trxit will mute the incoming call12:59
djszapiI would like to do this permanently.12:59
djszapiaka. a settings.12:59
trxtap on the status bar, go to profiles, choose silent13:00
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djszapican I also turn the boot noise off?13:00
djszapithe usual Nokia sound, I presume.13:00
djszapiso so everything should be silent...13:00
trxi dont think so but you can test it out13:00
djszapiexcept the talks...13:00
djszapiflickering is ok.13:01
djszapiI do not see "profiles" anywhere.13:01
djszapiahh in the settings, not in the topbar...13:01
trxi have it in the status bar too13:02
trxmy bad..13:02
djszapisystem sounds -> off.13:02
djszapiperhaps that eliminates the boot s tuff13:02
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djszapitrx: thanks13:05
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aklsso I'm trying to compile moc... and now I'm getting this error during make
aklsit's something about libdb, but it is installed14:04
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vi_Skry: I had another though on your quest for super.14:05
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Skryvi_: lets hear it then?14:12
vi_Skry: Actually I think I allready mentioned it.14:13
vi_Did you try xbindkeys and xdotool?14:13
aklsnow I understand. set_msgcall is from libdb4.314:14
aklsand on n900 its only possible to install libdb4.214:14
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aklsso now it's time to compile libdb4.3? Fuck.14:15
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Skryvi_: I'll try now14:15
aklsby the way, why can't I take moc .deb package that comes for the debian and install it on n900?14:17
Hurrianakls, you can try.14:18
aklsbut it would still throw an error about libdb4.3 :\\\14:18
Hurrianthe libraries shit depends on would probably by the problem.14:18
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Hurrianakls, are you talking about a debian package that requires libdb4.3?14:19
Hurriandpkg -x file.deb directory/14:19
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Hurrianthen dpkg -e file.deb directory/14:20
aklsHurrian, I'm trying to install moc from source on n90014:20
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Hurrianyou can try running "dpkg -x file.deb /" if it's available for Debian ARM14:21
aklssomehow I don't get how it's going to help14:21
Hurrianthat would install moc into your rootfs, skipping the whole dependency check14:21
Hurrianwheter it would work or not is a different story14:22
aklshehe :D14:22
Hurrianif it doesn't actually use newer library features, it'd probably run14:22
aklswell I'll try it if nothing works14:22
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aklswtf is that?
aklshow can I get this repository to work?14:25
aklsthat's for meego14:26
aklsbut the package says maemo?? WTF??14:27
aklsmaemo6? O_o14:27
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akls and how can I get this package? O_o14:35
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DocScrutinizer05akls: some like to cal HARMattan maemo6, since Nokia's idea to rename it to meego is ... well, debatable15:47
DocScrutinizer05fact is that meego-HARM aka maemo6 is not entirely compatible to maemo515:48
DocScrutinizer05though you can simply copy *binaries* over from a N900 to a N9 and they usually work, as long as they have no GUI and no tricky low level system stuff15:48
DocScrutinizer05I however don't suggest to use libs or services built for HARM on fremantel15:49
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aklsI have managed to install mocp16:04
aklsbut now it has no decoder plugins, hmmmmm...16:04
aklsseems like I have not libmad0 and libmad0-dev16:08
aklsbut now I have to go16:08
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: well, there's meecolay or whatever it's called16:22
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vi_can I mix li-ion and lipo batteries?16:48
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ShadowJKIf you connect them in parallell, they must have same voltage when you  do it17:04
ShadowJKin series you cant17:04
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vi_I meant parallell.17:21
vi_and yes, connecting a battery @3.2v to a battery @4.2v would result in massive failure.17:22
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DocScrutinizer51da fuggin cellmo hung. Didn't allow data via 2G while 3G worked. Going tablet mode and back to online didn't help, had to do a full reboot17:59
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kerioDocScrutinizer51: on which one?18:33
kerioiron or t?18:34
DocScrutinizer05t has no SIM18:35
keriobusted cellmo or just can't be arsed?18:35
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kguIs there a way to force fMMS to check for new MMS?18:52
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djszapiHi! Is there an online service or application I can measure where my lost N900 can be?19:00
djszapiI believe I lost it about an hour ago either at the workplace, on the way, or at home.19:01
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djszapiI can write sms and call it, so it is probably still in one piece. I just cannot find it anywhere.19:01
djszapiunfortunately I turned it into silent this morning, so perhaps I have not recognized the vibration when trying to call it at home and at the company. But I know there are services for instance for Windows phones.19:01
vi_djszapi: There is, but you need to install it before you lose it...19:02
djszapiit was a brand new phone in terms of usage.19:02
djszapiso only default applications available.19:03
vi_djszapi: I am sorry for your loss.19:03
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djszapiI wrote an s.m.s message to the phone which has been delivered, so I can just hope that the founder will have some honour.19:08
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bbayhi guys19:11
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djszapigreat a person replied, and brought the phone back. Amazing, there is still honour in the world.19:32
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keriodjszapi: "n900" on ebay yields very little money19:51
djszapikerio: that does not help when you need it urgently.19:52
keriono, i meant the dude that found it19:52
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djszapiI do not think he even checked it.19:52
djszapiit was an old man in a very small town.19:52
djszapiusually such places have some honour even nowadays.19:53
djszapiif it is found by a kid or teenager, who knows ...19:53
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akls"<djszapi> I wrote an s.m.s message to the phone which has been delivered, so I can just hope that the founder will have some honour." Unless the founder is a geek21:11
akls"<djszapi> great a person replied, and brought the phone back. Amazing, there is still honour in the world." haha, just some stupid bitch? :D21:11
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raccoon_akls: you're saying geeks have no honour and usually keep shit they found which has obviously been lost (and someone tries to find it)?21:12
raccoon_i sure would have gotten myself into the phone to get hold of the owner who misses it21:13
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raccoon_being one of those geeks that don't agree with your statement ;-)21:13
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djszapiakls: an old man.21:17
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raccoon_djszapi: good riddance!21:19
raccoon_now keep that karma in mind :-)21:19
djszapiyes, I appreciate this a lot.21:19
djszapinot that it is unbroken, as the screen is quite scratched etc, but that is my fault.21:21
djszapiI should stop the reckless biking ^^21:21
aklsraccoon_, did you just call n900 shit???21:21
aklsdon't say such words about my girlfriend!!!21:21
djszapigirlfriends are heavily overrated ^^21:22
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keriodjszapi: just buy an otterbox21:26
kerioand a screen protector21:26
kerioand a screen protector21:26
Cor-Aii think we need a screen protector!21:27
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keriohe probably left to buy the otterbox and the two screen protectors21:28
Cor-Aihope so!21:28
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aklsI can login at but can't login in maemo.org21:59
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DocScrutinizer05well, maybe that's related to both being completely unrelated22:33
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aklsDocScrutinizer05, ?22:36
aklsDocScrutinizer05, but if I press "register" at it redirects me to garage.maemo.org22:37
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vi__freemangordon: ping22:48
Cor-Aipacket loss22:49
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aklsand no, fuck, fuck, fuck.23:04
aklsI have installed moc!23:05
aklsbut it eats 100% cpu at 600 MHz23:05
aklssame behavior as in easy debian23:05
vi__what is moc?23:06
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aklstext based music player23:06
akls try it out23:07
aklsit is awesome23:07
RST38hwell do not install random shit23:07
vi__wtf is it using to decode?23:07
vi__a potatoe?23:07
aklsfor mp3 libmad0 libmad0-dev libid3tag0 libid3tag0-dev23:08
vi__are those libs neon optimised?23:08
vi__have you considered using FMGs thumb toolchain.23:08
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aklsI don't even know what are you talking about23:09
vi__AFAIK it uses some new fancy shit the neon-i-fies by itself.23:09
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vi__does it use 100% when it is playing nothing?23:09
vi__just decoding mp3?23:10
aklsplaying mp323:10
vi__is there any way you can get it to use ffmpeg/mplayer as backend?23:10
aklswell, it should use ffmpeg for playing aac and mp423:11
aklsbut I was unable to find ffmpeg dev packages23:12
keriodo you guys know if flasher-3.5 does something to CAL?23:12
vi__Y NO 4 MP3???23:12
vi__kerio: you can use it to set CAL flags.23:12
vi__otherwise, I do not think so.23:12
kerioonly rdmode23:12
aklsvi__, what can I do :<23:13
aklsthere was some guy23:13
aklsthat claimed that he was able to install moc successfully23:13
aklswithout making it eat 100% cpu23:13
vi__well investigate how you can configure what it uses for backend.23:14
vi__gstreamer>ffmpeg/mplayer>libmad>everything else23:14
vi__easy debian mplayer (not neon optimised) eats 100% cpu as well.23:15
vi__neon is special bit of the cpu for doing maths, like decoding mp3.23:16
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aklsvi__, I was trying moc on easy debian - same thing! 100% cpu23:21
aklsvi__, but mpg123 was ok23:21
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aklsJade, wake up! I want you23:24
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aklsJade, wake up magic man23:59

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