IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-10-22

DocScrutinizer05	t900:~# uptime	00:00
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DocScrutinizer05	23:12:29 up 1 min, load average: 5.03, 1.56, 0.54	00:00
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: i sometimes get that, but only after doing something with charge*.sh	00:00
DocScrutinizer05	t900:~# df -h /	00:00
DocScrutinizer05	Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on	00:00
kerio	(in backupmenu, mostly)	00:00
DocScrutinizer05	rootfs 227.9M 220.1M 3.6M 98% /	00:00
DocScrutinizer05	:-o	00:00
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: see	00:00
* RST38h always suspected Maemo and possums had something in common		00:00
DocScrutinizer05	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29316716 Oct 14 14:02 syslog	00:01
RST38h	(aside from being terminally cute, I mean)	00:01
kerio	well, du -mx \| sort -n	00:01
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DocScrutinizer05	Oh lol, 80 friggin new mails	00:02
kerio	wait, modest caused this?	00:02
RST38h	kerio: are you surprised or what?	00:05
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kerio	220mb used? hell yeah i'm surprised	00:05
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: isn't 228mb a bit small anyway?	00:05
kerio	how old is this n900?	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	hmm?	00:06
RST38h	Doc: So, did you have a chance to look at the log before delering it?	00:06
RST38h	Doc: Who shat that much?	00:06
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, ended Sep 29	00:07
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: i thought the rootfs was bigger than that	00:07
DocScrutinizer05	never been	00:07
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: ubifs avoids bad blocks, though	00:07
DocScrutinizer05	the real mess: there's no single huge file to delete	00:08
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: install cssu-thumb	00:08
kerio	:D	00:08
DocScrutinizer05	though I wonder where's the 29MB eaten by now deleted syslog gone	00:08
DocScrutinizer05	29316716 Oct 14 14:02 syslog	00:09
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DocScrutinizer05	I wonder if it's still eating blocks or sth	00:10
RST38h	Ah, this part is simple	00:10
RST38h	Doc: Maemo rootfs reports full file sizes but compresses them in flash	00:10
RST38h	Doc: So, when you delete a 29MB text file, the freed space may well only account for 3MB	00:11
kerio	oh yeah, and df -h reports the on-nand sizes	00:11
RST38h	This behaviour is only true for / though, MMC-based stuff measures normally	00:11
DocScrutinizer05	RST38h: thought as much, but compression ratio 10:1 ?	00:12
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: it's not unheard of	00:13
kerio	especially for something with very little entropy like a log	00:13
ShadowJK	du vs du --apparent-size? :)	00:13
* ShadowJK guesses busybox du doesn't have it		00:13
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: bingo	00:13
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: gnu du has it	00:14
DocScrutinizer05	http://pastebin.com/3ZtdGpV0 :-/	00:16
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DocScrutinizer05	WTF /usr/share/nokia-maps	00:17
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kerio	i've got a 1mb "rdat" file there	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	ubifs \o/	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	rootfs 227.9M 188.4M 35.3M 84% /	00:19
kerio	\o/	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	F U ubifs	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	I actually did NUTTIN to regain that space - no boot, no deleting any file	00:20
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: did you sync?	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	just moved from 3.6M 98% / to 35.3M 84% /	00:21
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DocScrutinizer05	nope	00:21
Hurrian	DocScrutinizer, reboot to make ubifs recount	00:21
kerio	i mean, did you sync after deleting syslog?	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	yep, but that been before boot	00:22
kerio	hm, weird	00:22
kerio	oh well, must've autorepaired something	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	3.6M 98% / to 35.3M 84% / been after reboot	00:22
kerio	hooray for ubifs	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	ubifs \o/	00:22
ShadowJK	I think the reboot thing is a remnant from jffs2 days. To mount jffs2, the entire filesystem is scanned, and all metadata is read into ram, where it keeps hogging ram.	00:22
ShadowJK	One of the big points about ubifs was that mounting it is fast, so it probably resumes after a reboot from the same state it had before reboot.	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: but how do you explain free space 3.6M 98% / to 35.3M 84% /, without any reboot or anything in between?	00:23
ShadowJK	It probably has garbage collection running when idle :-)	00:24
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: the free space is an estimate	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	yeah	00:24
RST38h	Doc: 10:1 is not unusual, not for syslog anyway	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	something like fsckng garbage collection	00:24
RST38h	Doc: You have got a text file with a dictionary of what? 200 words?	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	RST38h: quite possible, yes	00:24
ShadowJK	On my sheevaplug where I have a nilfs2 partition, the delay between deleting files and free space appearing can be hours :-)	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	nevertheless see new miracle	00:25
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html#L_spaceacc	00:25
RST38h	Doc: The short answer is "ubifs is weird"	00:25
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: especially "Dirty space"	00:25
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DocScrutinizer05	:nod: >>Another possibility would be to implement background GC in UBIFS (just like in JFFS2), which would lessen effect of dirty space with time.<< seems somebody did	00:29
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: thanks for link	00:32
DocScrutinizer05	very useful	00:32
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kerio	ubifs is really weird	00:33
kerio	but also neat	00:33
DocScrutinizer05	so, stack cleanup, back tp Psotnick	00:33
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: is it safe to play around with gpio?	00:34
DocScrutinizer05	basically yes	00:34
DocScrutinizer05	though that depends	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	in theory you could create a short	00:35
kerio	in particular, is it safe to set pin 160 to write mode and turn it on?	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	but I guess the chip won't care too much	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	yes, should be safe, except maybe you create an output of high level to a sensor with open collector output shorting that to GND	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	the result might not help in the end, since reading back from outputs usually still represents real level seen at pin	00:37
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DocScrutinizer05	which probably still is low	00:37
DocScrutinizer05	Oct 21 23:46:26 t900 kernel: [ 2222.749023] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible	00:37
DocScrutinizer05	Oct 21 23:46:26 t900 kernel: [ 2223.059051] mmc0: card e624 removed	00:37
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DocScrutinizer05	first thing in syslog on opening back cover	00:38
DocScrutinizer05	so no msg about [GPIO 160]	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	oooh tracker STFU!	00:40
DocScrutinizer05	Oct 21 23:53:09 t900 tracker-indexer[1655]: GLIB WARNING ** Tracker - No data was allocated for row 0, this means the database contained NULL or non-managed values for all the data in it	00:40
DocScrutinizer05	* 10000	00:40
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DocScrutinizer05	here's what I hoped to see for gpio160 as well: Oct 21 23:54:35 t900 kernel: [ 2711.715667] slide (GPIO 71) is now open	00:42
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DocScrutinizer05	anyway if you wanna patch kernel module, search for "mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible"	00:44
DocScrutinizer05	NB the mmc number = 0	00:45
DocScrutinizer05	for kernel it's still mmc0 on uSD and mmc1 on eMMC	00:45
DocScrutinizer05	rationale: the romboot will check on mmc0 for xloader, but not on mmc1	00:46
vi__	aaaah, the old insta-dismount mmc on door open problem.	00:46
DocScrutinizer05	so it's kinda logical to have a removable media on mmc0	00:46
DocScrutinizer05	vi__: yep	00:46
vi__	You would think they would at lest make it unmount gracefully.	00:47
DocScrutinizer05	Psotnick has problem with his hall sensor broken	00:47
vi__	some people stick a tiny magnet inside the case.	00:47
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DocScrutinizer05	his sensor is defect	00:47
vi__	that sucks, it is not like yu can just chmod 444 a /sys entry for the backdoor sensor.	00:48
DocScrutinizer05	which is a tad unfortunate since you can't use a perfectly working uSD slot anymore	00:48
vi__	it works at an annoyingly low level.	00:48
DocScrutinizer05	yup	00:49
vi__	remove hall sensor component and short the pads?	00:49
DocScrutinizer05	do NOT short the pads	00:49
vi__	or leave open as appropriate.	00:49
vi__	no? oh well.	00:49
DocScrutinizer05	errr	00:49
DocScrutinizer05	well I dunno, my logic says it should usually not consume power via the pullup resistor	00:50
DocScrutinizer05	so magnet-detected should _open_ the 'switch'	00:50
vi__	as I said 'or leave open as appropriate.'	00:51
DocScrutinizer05	yeah	00:51
DocScrutinizer05	seems Psotnick isn't that eager to do hw meddling	00:51
vi__	I have not look at the schematic so I have NFC how the hall sensor is hooked up.	00:51
vi__	DocScrutinizer05: then his n900 is fucked.	00:52
DocScrutinizer05	the plan been to patch the kernel driver to ignore the sensor	00:52
vi__	I have wanted that for 1+ year.	00:53
vi__	even better than that...	00:53
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DocScrutinizer05	a great idea actually	00:53
DocScrutinizer05	allow kernel parameter to enable or disable the sensor	00:53
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: if it should be off when the backcover is closed, it should be fairly easy, right?	00:54
DocScrutinizer05	right	00:54
kerio	just physically remove the sensor	00:54
vi__	make it check for some setting that either obeys sensor, plays loud noise+vibrates on actuation by sensor or just outright ignore it.	00:54
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DocScrutinizer05	well, there's still that ESD/EMI-filter	00:55
vi__	so I got my sip to work.	00:56
DocScrutinizer05	it has two tranzorbs/Zener to GND, and a series resistor	00:56
vi__	I have even hooked up an old e65 to be the house sip phone.	00:56
vi__	final piece was to setup mrs vi__ with sip on her 5800.	00:57
vi__	It has the sip stack.	00:57
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: which means you can't create that bad a short when plaing with GPIO	00:57
vi__	It has settings to define a sip provider.	00:57
vi__	it has no function to create a sip call.	00:57
DocScrutinizer05	vi__:	00:58
vi__	Nokia REMOVED the sip call function on purpose.	00:58
DocScrutinizer05	Oct 22 00:04:08 t900 telepathy-sofiasip[1449]: nta_agent: received garbage from udp/217.10.79.9:54680/sip	00:58
DocScrutinizer05	Oct 22 00:04:36 t900 last message repeated 2 times	00:58
DocScrutinizer05	vi__: sipgate	00:58
DocScrutinizer05	keepalive	00:58
vi__	what are you trying to tell me?	00:59
DocScrutinizer05	just telling you sipgate keep alive mechanism is flooding my syslog	00:59
vi__	aaah	01:00
vi__	you can set the keepalive method/timeout though.	01:00
DocScrutinizer05	which I probably should do, but afaik you can't extend keep-alive interval as suggested by peer, only shorten it	01:01
SpeedEvil	is battery use with sip terrible?	01:01
SpeedEvil	idle	01:01
DocScrutinizer05	not that bad	01:01
SpeedEvil	I seem to get a dayish idle	01:01
DocScrutinizer05	on WLAN I get way more	01:01
ShadowJK	vi__, at one point in time, Nokia considered SIP an "Enterprise" feature, and it was only enabled in their E-series phones.	01:02
SpeedEvil	on Alan	01:02
SpeedEvil	on wlan	01:02
vi__	I have left the e65 connected to wifi with sip for 27 hours now. it has not lost any 'bars' of battery from the meter.	01:02
vi__	ShadowJK: it costs them nothing to include an executable.	01:03
ShadowJK	indeed	01:03
vi__	what the fuck where they thinking?	01:03
ShadowJK	They were thinking some people would pay extra for e-series to get the enterprisey features	01:03
vi__	I had forgotten how much of a pain in the testes symbian is.	01:04
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vi__	n900 for life.	01:04
DocScrutinizer05	YOH!	01:04
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vi__	I did't choose the unix life, the unix life chose me.	01:05
DocScrutinizer05	I fell for it	01:05
DocScrutinizer05	in the late 70s	01:06
ShadowJK	My Nokia E75, for example, had a non-e-series equivalent. The E75 is pretty cumbersome for playing music or multimedia. The non-E E75 has volume controls and music controls on the hw keys. E75 on the other hand, has SIP, vpn, provisioning, office suite, and less plastic.	01:06
DocScrutinizer05	now we got N9 and hooker ;-P	01:07
vi__	all nice software features that should be rolled out on all symbian devices as standard.	01:07
ShadowJK	yes	01:08
vi__	n9 is a stinker.	01:08
DocScrutinizer05	hooker is a bitch ;-P	01:08
vi__	I must get another n900...or 2.	01:08
DocScrutinizer05	still hard to tell them apart	01:08
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vi__	what n9 and whores?	01:09
DocScrutinizer05	vi__: hurry before I snatch them all away	01:09
DocScrutinizer05	spanish whore	01:09
DocScrutinizer05	lumia	01:09
* ShadowJK has 78.1M free on /		01:09
vi__	It is just so risky to buy them 2nd hand.	01:09
ShadowJK	hm, I've gotten 2 good ones so far	01:10
DocScrutinizer05	that's why I buy those "new2 ones	01:10
vi__	half of the n900s on ebay are fucked.	01:10
DocScrutinizer05	used ones a kinda ... so used	01:10
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vi__	even ones with broken usb sell for a nice price.	01:10
* DocScrutinizer05 should get #5 and #6		01:11
vi__	although I did see a brand new one, still with scrreen foil for only £190.	01:11
SpeedEvil	I was looking recently	01:11
vi__	SpeedEvil: uk?	01:11
SpeedEvil	I missed one. eBay app notification needs to be loader	01:11
SpeedEvil	yeah	01:11
ShadowJK	Seems declared-to-work scratch-free N900s are going for 100€ here	01:12
SpeedEvil	50 quid for no USB	01:12
vi__	!!!!	01:12
vi__	ShadowJK: where do you liive?	01:12
vi__	germany?	01:12
ShadowJK	Finland	01:12
vi__	ah	01:12
vi__	n900 not black metal enough?	01:12
DocScrutinizer05	hm?	01:13
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DocScrutinizer05	so who's going to finally fix that backcover hallsensor idiocy for good? patch mmc kernel module	01:14
vi__	DocScrutinizer05: you?	01:15
DocScrutinizer05	sounds like a job for KP	01:15
kerio	paaaaaaaaali!	01:16
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ShadowJK	March 2012, bought my current devN900, for 120€	01:16
ShadowJK	Everything working on it, scratchfree screen	01:16
akls	trying to install moc. ./configure says that "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" . I have installed gcc-4.6 but it didn't help	01:16
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ShadowJK	try build-essential	01:18
vi__	http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N900-Not-working-/150927609849?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item2323fc8ff9	01:19
vi__	worth a shot?	01:19
akls	ShadowJK, package build-essential has no installation candidate	01:20
ShadowJK	vi__, battery is fucked, usb port us fucked, or entire thing is fucked	01:20
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ShadowJK	11€, go for it	01:20
DocScrutinizer05	akls: trying to build on target? will give a much PITA	01:20
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ShadowJK	uh, £	01:20
vi__	n900 is expensive here.	01:21
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akls	DocScrutinizer05, somebody said here that he was able to install moc	01:21
akls	so I'm trying to do the same	01:21
akls	Jade it was	01:21
DocScrutinizer05	vi__: get it from the continent then, you islander	01:22
Jade		01:22
Jade	yes	01:22
akls	Jade how did you compile moc?	01:22
Jade	i forgot what deps i needed	01:22
Jade	it was a while ago	01:22
akls	Jade for now I'm getting error "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"	01:22
DocScrutinizer05	I guess you used SB nevertheless	01:22
Jade	akls, add the nokia repo with dev tools then you can install gcc, binutils and other stuff	01:23
Jade	hold on	01:23
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	01:23
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DocScrutinizer05	you built a huge project on N900 ?	01:23
* ShadowJK used to do that in Maemo4 days		01:23
Jade	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php	01:23
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Jade	then add "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/<token_number_here> nokia-binaries	01:23
Jade	"	01:23
Jade	in sources.list	01:23
Jade	it should have all the deps you need for moc, if my memory serves me right	01:24
akls	oh	01:24
Jade	just needs gcc, binutils and some other misc stuff i forgot now	01:24
DocScrutinizer05	Jade: on N900??	01:24
vi__	you know what would be good?	01:24
Jade	yeah	01:24
Jade	moc isnt too heavy to compile directly on n900	01:24
akls	ok! thanks	01:24
vi__	status menu in task switcher.	01:24
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DocScrutinizer05	vi__: really? why?	01:25
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DocScrutinizer05	I admit I found it a little bit annoying sometimes to have to switch back to desktop	01:25
DocScrutinizer05	but usually my taskswitcher is opened for <3s	01:26
Skry	vi__: I find my n900 perfectly black metal enough to host my Horna and Behexen albums. Can't still figure out that fscking modifier key thingy though.	01:26
akls	Jade, what is scratchbox?	01:27
DocScrutinizer05	akls: the crosscompiling environment on PC	01:27
akls	sounds like something I don't really need	01:27
akls	or what..	01:27
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, nobody likes it	01:28
DocScrutinizer05	but it's the only true development environment for maemo	01:28
vi__	Skry: but sweden is home of melodict death metal, not black metal!	01:29
DocScrutinizer05	while for on-device compiling you sooner or later run into obstacles like missing free space on rootfs and non-optified c libs etc	01:29
vi__	did you try changing rx-51?	01:30
skope	sweden is the home of göteborg metal	01:30
skope	boing boing boing	01:30
akls	is it ok that my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty?	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	akls: there are several approaches to overcome those obstacles, like optification, chroot, bindmounts, whatelse	01:31
* ShadowJK remembers having gcc in /opt/ on his PC		01:31
vi__	skope: dont you mean gotheburg?	01:31
vi__	yeah, dismember rule like fuck!	01:32
ShadowJK	english: gothenburg swedish: göteborg	01:32
vi__	^gothenburg?	01:32
vi__	i am but a swednoob	01:33
DocScrutinizer05	Goth e Burg	01:33
ShadowJK	Many swedish places and provinces sound much cooler in english/latin than in swedish	01:33
ShadowJK	Like "Gothia".	01:33
ShadowJK	Random weird fact: "The Swedish Empire" is included in wikipedia's list of longest lasting empires.	01:34
ShadowJK	(ended in 19th century)	01:34
DocScrutinizer05	isn't Goth something different than Metal?	01:34
akls	is it ok that my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty?	01:34
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skope	vi__: göteborg is the scandinavian way of saying it ;)	01:35
ShadowJK	akls, that sounds normal, there's a sources.d directory probably?	01:35
DocScrutinizer05	akls: yes	01:35
DocScrutinizer05	ls -l /etc/apt/sources*	01:36
Skry	vi__: did edit it, got nothing useful done. configured ctrl level 3 as super, and tried to modifier_map it but it still shows up as control in modifier map though xev reports it to be super. Unholy.	01:37
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DocScrutinizer05	/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list 317	01:37
vi__	Skry: there is another possibility.	01:39
vi__	you could maybe use xbindkeys and xdotool to send super.	01:39
vi__	just like right click hack.	01:39
DocScrutinizer05	Jade: why don't you share your moc binary?	01:41
DocScrutinizer05	Jade: is the malware part not yet finalized? ;-D	01:42
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Jade	hold on just making sure the rootkit actually works on 2.6.28	01:43
Jade	then ill upload	01:43
ShadowJK	lol wtf	01:44
akls	so I have added a source from here http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php to /etc/apt/source.list but I get same error on "apt-get install gcc" or build-essential - no installation candidate	01:44
akls	and yes, I did apt-get update	01:44
vi__	holy f	01:45
vi__	have you guys seen tmo?	01:46
vi__	speciffically apkenv?	01:46
vi__	they said alien dalvik was a myth!	01:46
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akls	Jade :\	01:50
ShadowJK	what is alien dalvik?	01:52
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akls	<Jade> then add "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/<token_number_here> nokia-binaries	02:01
akls	maybe you meant deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk free non-free ?	02:02
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akls	anytime I try to compile something myself..	02:35
akls	I'm thinking that shooting my foot is going to be less painful	02:35
ShadowJK	shooting foot vs compiling on-device? certainly	02:35
ShadowJK	Especially if it's something with more dependencies than libc	02:36
akls	currently I'm getting this error: configure: no Berkeley DB version 4 or higher found configure: error: BerkeleyDB (libdb) not found	02:36
akls	and I have installed libdb1 libdb4.2 libdb4.2++c2	02:36
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ShadowJK	you want the -devel varieties for compiling	02:38
ShadowJK	or -dev	02:38
akls	yeah	02:38
akls	but...	02:38
akls	but there's no libdb-dev	02:39
akls	or db-dev	02:39
akls	should be db4-devel	02:40
akls	AHA	02:41
akls	libdb4.2-devel	02:41
akls	dev*	02:41
akls	it's in fremantle sdk	02:41
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akls	ok	02:47
akls	I hope it was the last error	02:47
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GeneralAntilles	I missed the drama on Talk last week.	03:52
GeneralAntilles	Too much fun.	03:52
akls	what drama?	03:53
GeneralAntilles	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1282399#post1282399	03:55
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ShadowJK	How can there be drama on a web forum	04:47
ShadowJK	In my mind, there's so much effort involved in getting a web forum to display, that once you manage it, there'd be no energy left for drama	04:48
ShadowJK	The effort part is why I don't follow tmo anymore	04:49
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zsolt	hi!use bluemaemo to play games on my pc,but my problem is that cant press 2 keys at the same time in gamepad mode	08:31
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LaoLang_cool	Hi, is it possible to create a shortcut for a directory or a file?	08:48
LaoLang_cool	I want to open a pdf quickly	08:48
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DocScrutinizer05	well, seems you could create a desktop shortcut for arbitrary http URL, then edit to file://path/to/file	09:21
DocScrutinizer05	LaoLang_cool: ^^^	09:21
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: so that microB can download it again?	09:22
DocScrutinizer05	??	09:22
DocScrutinizer05	no download	09:22
DocScrutinizer05	path/to/file is local	09:22
kerio	yes but microb will prompt you to open or download	09:22
DocScrutinizer05	WFM at least for text files (ascii)	09:22
kerio	but open is "download to tempdir then open"	09:23
DocScrutinizer05	as well as music	09:23
kerio	mediaplayer handles urls, pdf viewer doesn't	09:23
DocScrutinizer05	well, if microB isn't able to start pdf viewer when URL points to a pdf, then you're out of luck	09:24
LaoLang_cool	:(	09:24
kerio	it can, but only after downloading, i think	09:24
DocScrutinizer05	FFS, I gathered the pdf is local anyway	09:25
LaoLang_cool	oh, still no friendly	09:25
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: it's a URI like many others	09:25
DocScrutinizer05	so what?	09:25
LaoLang_cool	how to quickly access a directory?	09:26
DocScrutinizer05	how about you test it instead of pestering me?	09:26
kerio	so i doubt it's special-cased	09:26
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: good morning to you too :3	09:26
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DocScrutinizer05	first step: enter >> file://path/to/local/pdffile.pdf << into microB URL	09:30
DocScrutinizer05	step two: hit <enter>	09:30
DocScrutinizer05	WFM	09:33
DocScrutinizer05	any questions?	09:34
LaoLang_cool	DocScrutinizer05, No, thank you, it works :)	09:34
DocScrutinizer05	yw	09:34
LaoLang_cool	I tried to find the shortcut file in filesytem, but failed...	09:35
DocScrutinizer05	now the trick is you need to create a shortcut for arbitrary URL on desktop, then edit the URL of that shortcut	09:35
DocScrutinizer05	I think e.g. tweakr can edit desktop shortcuts	09:36
LaoLang_cool	I don't know which file maemo creates for me, I searched *.desktop file in /usr/share/, but without luck	09:36
DocScrutinizer05	I already did that, but fail to recall how I did it, right now	09:37
LaoLang_cool	ok, thank you DocScrutinizer05.	09:38
LaoLang_cool	This way feels weired though, it will open a blank brower window, I have to close it manually	09:38
DocScrutinizer05	dammit, tweakr can only edit label, not URI	09:38
DocScrutinizer05	well, then at least you have an easy way to create the desktop shortcut ;-)	09:40
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LaoLang_cool	yes	09:40
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kerio	you can be lazy and add a browser bookmark	09:50
LaoLang_cool	Yes, I've done it :)	09:51
LaoLang_cool	Actually, I add a directory to it...	09:51
LaoLang_cool	so I can open other files easily in the same directory	09:51
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djszapi	hi, is the n900 sim lock free? Can I check it somehow for sure?	11:51
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jacekowski	there were no simlocked n900's as fas as i know	11:52
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djszapi	then perhaps my vodafone sim card is not active after no traffic for 2.5 months..	11:57
djszapi	should I still see 3g and vodafone ie for an inactive sim card in the top bar?	11:58
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jacekowski	no	11:58
jacekowski	maybe	11:58
jacekowski	you should be able to make emergency calls regardless	11:58
djszapi	I just wanna get my vodafone sim card used for an incoming call	11:59
djszapi	as my other sim card in n9 is not working fine when serving long calls and ap in the meantime.	11:59
djszapi	ap goes usually off.	11:59
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djszapi	how can I mute the incoming calls on my N900?	12:57
djszapi	without a hackish way just from the UI :-)	12:57
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djszapi	I do not seem to find any options for this in the settings.	12:58
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trx	flip the phone?	12:59
djszapi	means?	12:59
trx	it will mute the incoming call	12:59
djszapi	I would like to do this permanently.	12:59
djszapi	aka. a settings.	12:59
djszapi	setting*	12:59
trx	tap on the status bar, go to profiles, choose silent	13:00
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djszapi	can I also turn the boot noise off?	13:00
djszapi	the usual Nokia sound, I presume.	13:00
djszapi	so so everything should be silent...	13:00
trx	i dont think so but you can test it out	13:00
djszapi	except the talks...	13:00
djszapi	flickering is ok.	13:01
djszapi	I do not see "profiles" anywhere.	13:01
trx	"Profile"	13:01
djszapi	ahh in the settings, not in the topbar...	13:01
trx	i have it in the status bar too	13:02
trx	my bad..	13:02
djszapi	system sounds -> off.	13:02
djszapi	perhaps that eliminates the boot s tuff	13:02
trx	maybe	13:02
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djszapi	trx: thanks	13:05
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akls	so I'm trying to compile moc... and now I'm getting this error during make http://pastebin.com/P5jmKdf7	14:04
akls	it	14:04
akls	it's something about libdb, but it is installed	14:04
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vi_	Skry: I had another though on your quest for super.	14:05
akls	Jade,	14:08
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Skry	vi_: lets hear it then?	14:12
vi_	Skry: Actually I think I allready mentioned it.	14:13
vi_	Did you try xbindkeys and xdotool?	14:13
akls	OK	14:13
akls	now I understand. set_msgcall is from libdb4.3	14:14
akls	and on n900 its only possible to install libdb4.2	14:14
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akls	so now it's time to compile libdb4.3? Fuck.	14:15
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Skry	vi_: I'll try now	14:15
akls	by the way, why can't I take moc .deb package that comes for the debian and install it on n900?	14:17
Hurrian	akls, you can try.	14:18
akls	but it would still throw an error about libdb4.3 :\\\	14:18
Hurrian	the libraries shit depends on would probably by the problem.	14:18
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Hurrian	akls, are you talking about a debian package that requires libdb4.3?	14:19
Hurrian	dpkg -x file.deb directory/	14:19
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Hurrian	then dpkg -e file.deb directory/	14:20
akls	Hurrian, I'm trying to install moc from source on n900	14:20
Hurrian	ah	14:20
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Hurrian	you can try running "dpkg -x file.deb /" if it's available for Debian ARM	14:21
akls	somehow I don't get how it's going to help	14:21
Hurrian	that would install moc into your rootfs, skipping the whole dependency check	14:21
Hurrian	wheter it would work or not is a different story	14:22
akls	oh	14:22
akls	hehe :D	14:22
Hurrian	if it doesn't actually use newer library features, it'd probably run	14:22
akls	well I'll try it if nothing works	14:22
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akls	wtf is that? http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/d/db4.8/	14:25
akls	how can I get this repository to work?	14:25
akls	oh	14:26
akls	that's for meego	14:26
akls	but the package says maemo?? WTF??	14:27
akls	maemo6? O_o	14:27
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akls	http://maemo.org/packages/view/libdb4.7/ and how can I get this package? O_o	14:35
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DocScrutinizer05	akls: some like to cal HARMattan maemo6, since Nokia's idea to rename it to meego is ... well, debatable	15:47
DocScrutinizer05	fact is that meego-HARM aka maemo6 is not entirely compatible to maemo5	15:48
DocScrutinizer05	though you can simply copy binaries over from a N900 to a N9 and they usually work, as long as they have no GUI and no tricky low level system stuff	15:48
DocScrutinizer05	I however don't suggest to use libs or services built for HARM on fremantel	15:49
DocScrutinizer05	fremantle*	15:49
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akls	well	16:04
akls	I have managed to install mocp	16:04
akls	finally	16:04
akls	but now it has no decoder plugins, hmmmmm...	16:04
akls	seems like I have not libmad0 and libmad0-dev	16:08
akls	but now I have to go	16:08
akls	byeee	16:08
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: well, there's meecolay or whatever it's called	16:22
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vi_	hey	16:48
vi_	can I mix li-ion and lipo batteries?	16:48
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ShadowJK	If you connect them in parallell, they must have same voltage when you do it	17:04
ShadowJK	in series you cant	17:04
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vi_	I meant parallell.	17:21
vi_	and yes, connecting a battery @3.2v to a battery @4.2v would result in massive failure.	17:22
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DocScrutinizer51	da fuggin cellmo hung. Didn't allow data via 2G while 3G worked. Going tablet mode and back to online didn't help, had to do a full reboot	17:59
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kerio	DocScrutinizer51: on which one?	18:33
kerio	iron or t?	18:34
DocScrutinizer05	IroN	18:35
DocScrutinizer05	t has no SIM	18:35
kerio	hm	18:35
kerio	busted cellmo or just can't be arsed?	18:35
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kgu	Is there a way to force fMMS to check for new MMS?	18:52
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djszapi	Hi! Is there an online service or application I can measure where my lost N900 can be?	19:00
djszapi	I believe I lost it about an hour ago either at the workplace, on the way, or at home.	19:01
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djszapi	I can write sms and call it, so it is probably still in one piece. I just cannot find it anywhere.	19:01
djszapi	unfortunately I turned it into silent this morning, so perhaps I have not recognized the vibration when trying to call it at home and at the company. But I know there are services for instance for Windows phones.	19:01
vi_	djszapi: There is, but you need to install it before you lose it...	19:02
djszapi	it was a brand new phone in terms of usage.	19:02
djszapi	so only default applications available.	19:03
vi_	djszapi: I am sorry for your loss.	19:03
djszapi	:/	19:04
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djszapi	I wrote an s.m.s message to the phone which has been delivered, so I can just hope that the founder will have some honour.	19:08
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bbay	hi guys	19:11
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djszapi	great a person replied, and brought the phone back. Amazing, there is still honour in the world.	19:32
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kerio	djszapi: "n900" on ebay yields very little money	19:51
djszapi	kerio: that does not help when you need it urgently.	19:52
kerio	no, i meant the dude that found it	19:52
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djszapi	I do not think he even checked it.	19:52
djszapi	it was an old man in a very small town.	19:52
djszapi	usually such places have some honour even nowadays.	19:53
djszapi	if it is found by a kid or teenager, who knows ...	19:53
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SpeedEvil	:-)	20:05
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akls	"<djszapi> I wrote an s.m.s message to the phone which has been delivered, so I can just hope that the founder will have some honour." Unless the founder is a geek	21:11
akls	"<djszapi> great a person replied, and brought the phone back. Amazing, there is still honour in the world." haha, just some stupid bitch? :D	21:11
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raccoon_	akls: you're saying geeks have no honour and usually keep shit they found which has obviously been lost (and someone tries to find it)?	21:12
raccoon_	i sure would have gotten myself into the phone to get hold of the owner who misses it	21:13
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raccoon_	being one of those geeks that don't agree with your statement ;-)	21:13
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djszapi	akls: an old man.	21:17
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raccoon_	djszapi: good riddance!	21:19
raccoon_	now keep that karma in mind :-)	21:19
djszapi	yes, I appreciate this a lot.	21:19
djszapi	not that it is unbroken, as the screen is quite scratched etc, but that is my fault.	21:21
djszapi	I should stop the reckless biking ^^	21:21
akls	raccoon_, did you just call n900 shit???	21:21
akls	don't say such words about my girlfriend!!!	21:21
djszapi	girlfriends are heavily overrated ^^	21:22
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kerio	djszapi: just buy an otterbox	21:26
kerio	and a screen protector	21:26
kerio	and a screen protector	21:26
Cor-Ai	i think we need a screen protector!	21:27
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kerio	he probably left to buy the otterbox and the two screen protectors	21:28
Cor-Ai	hope so!	21:28
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akls	I can login at garage.maemo.org but can't login in maemo.org	21:59
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DocScrutinizer05	well, maybe that's related to both being completely unrelated	22:33
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akls	DocScrutinizer05, ?	22:36
akls	DocScrutinizer05, but if I press "register" at maemo.org it redirects me to garage.maemo.org	22:37
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vi__	freemangordon: ping	22:48
Cor-Ai	packet loss	22:49
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akls	YESSSSSSSSSSSS YESSSSSSSSS YESSSSSSSSSSSS	23:04
akls	and no, fuck, fuck, fuck.	23:04
akls	Jade,	23:05
akls	I have installed moc!	23:05
akls	but it eats 100% cpu at 600 MHz	23:05
akls	same behavior as in easy debian	23:05
vi__	what is moc?	23:06
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akls	text based music player	23:06
akls	http://moc.daper.net/ try it out	23:07
akls	it is awesome	23:07
vi__	o0	23:07
vi__	100%	23:07
RST38h	well do not install random shit	23:07
vi__	wtf is it using to decode?	23:07
vi__	a potatoe?	23:07
akls	for mp3 libmad0 libmad0-dev libid3tag0 libid3tag0-dev	23:08
vi__	are those libs neon optimised?	23:08
vi__	have you considered using FMGs thumb toolchain.	23:08
vi__	?	23:08
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akls	I don't even know what are you talking about	23:09
vi__	AFAIK it uses some new fancy shit the neon-i-fies by itself.	23:09
vi__	lol	23:09
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vi__	does it use 100% when it is playing nothing?	23:09
akls	no	23:09
vi__	just decoding mp3?	23:10
akls	playing mp3	23:10
akls	ye	23:10
vi__	is there any way you can get it to use ffmpeg/mplayer as backend?	23:10
akls	http://moc.daper.net/node/87	23:11
akls	well, it should use ffmpeg for playing aac and mp4	23:11
akls	but I was unable to find ffmpeg dev packages	23:12
kerio	do you guys know if flasher-3.5 does something to CAL?	23:12
vi__	Y NO 4 MP3???	23:12
vi__	kerio: you can use it to set CAL flags.	23:12
vi__	otherwise, I do not think so.	23:12
kerio	only rdmode	23:12
vi__	yah.	23:12
vi__	Why?	23:13
akls	vi__, what can I do :<	23:13
akls	there was some guy	23:13
akls	Jade,	23:13
akls	Jade,	23:13
akls	that claimed that he was able to install moc successfully	23:13
akls	without making it eat 100% cpu	23:13
vi__	well investigate how you can configure what it uses for backend.	23:14
vi__	use	23:14
vi__	gstreamer>ffmpeg/mplayer>libmad>everything else	23:14
vi__	easy debian mplayer (not neon optimised) eats 100% cpu as well.	23:15
vi__	neon is special bit of the cpu for doing maths, like decoding mp3.	23:16
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akls	vi__, I was trying moc on easy debian - same thing! 100% cpu	23:21
akls	vi__, but mpg123 was ok	23:21
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akls	Jade, wake up! I want you	23:24
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akls	Jade, wake up magic man	23:59

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