IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-10-21

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entitledfennec won't start01:06
entitledwith pk51r1 + thumb01:06
entitledi've reflashed all twice and the problem is still there01:07
entitledread on an topic it could be libqtm-12 issue01:07
entitledhow can I confirm this?01:08
entitledbefore I follow the numerous suggested solutions there and may have to resolve to another reflash after those :D01:08
entitledI remember someone suggesting some logging tool (for another issue)01:09
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DocScrutinizer05logging tool? I guess the best logging tool would be to start fennec from shell02:17
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entitledI expected it wouldn't show anything there02:27
entitledbut seems like fennec starts just fine from the shell02:28
entitledthanks doc :)02:28
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DocScrutinizer05anyway a binary that simply "doesn't start" is probably rather rare, either you get an error msg from shell about some problems with permissions or whatnot, or a msg from loader which can't figure how to link the libs, or a msg about some segfault or whatever other reason for premature abort of program execution03:07
DocScrutinizer05or binary itself will print some diagnostic output before it terminates "normally" yet in an unexpected way03:09
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qwazixJust read yesterday's backlog. I noticed you were talking about the led and shutdown. Nokia added a feature to the N9 in PR1.3 (or was it 1.2) that the led stays on until last second. Maybe a close inspection of the N9 kernel (or diff with PR1.1) could provide a solution that can be applied to the N900.03:18
entitleddoc: well after starting it from the shell, it now works from the shortcut also...03:22
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teotwakiam I the only one who was unable to parse the emails regarding Texrat's stepping down (maemo-community)03:23
teotwaki"Thanks Texrat, for withdrawing your candidacy just few hours, after 86 people voted for you, and voting got closed. It helped estabilishing foundation a *much*, really..."03:23
befordhe did it on the forums03:24
befordthere was some fight with freemangordon and some others about something he posted03:24
teotwakiI do understand what happened03:25
qwazixHe didn't really step down. It was just an angry outburst03:25
qwazixHe apologized already03:25
befordwell I can't understand Estel's crap either03:25
qwazixAnd stated he won't resign03:25
teotwakiit's just the engrish used in the emails that is illegible03:25
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Hurrianso, the email that was sent out was a false alarm?03:33
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befordEstel trolling03:41
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Luke-Jr2 new USB chargers and N900 doesn't recognize either⁇?04:23
GGonbroken port04:25
beforda new n900 should fix that04:28
Luke-JrGGon: no, it still works in car & PC04:29
DocScrutinizer05texrat stepped down?04:30
DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: genuine Nokia chargers?04:31
DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: if not, get the damn D+- short fixed on those chargers04:32
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: no, one is a 4-port dedicated USB charger, and the other is a 7-port self-powered USB hub04:32
Luke-Jrthe USB hub isn't working at all it seems04:34
DocScrutinizer05well, the 4port dedicated charger should get D+- short. For the hub though that's not the preferred method ;-D04:34
Luke-Jrand more annoyingly, it's really 2x 4-port USB hubs internally04:34
DocScrutinizer05seems there's a spec saying there must be 4-port hubs only. I dunno of any other hub chips04:35
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer: SMSC USB2507/USB2517, TI TUSB2077A, and REA uPD72011304:35
DocScrutinizer05so one of the 4 primary ports is linked to upstream of next hub chip == 7 downstream ports available04:35
Luke-Jrand NEC Corp 0409:0050, which this hub was SUPPOSED to be04:36
DocScrutinizer05anyway, hubs don't work too great for charging04:37
Luke-Jrwell, I got the charger for that :/04:37
HurrianDocScrutinizer05, some powered hubs feed back power to the host.04:38
Hurrianit'd be interesting to test with those - it'll certainly alleviate the problems with using hostmode on the N90004:39
DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: that's just the dirty dozen that can't even afford proper decoupling by a diode at least04:39
Luke-Jrok, USB hub seems to be charging now that it's in a port it likes04:40
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: this D+- nonsense easy to fix, or should I just return it?04:40
HurrianDocScrutinizer05, it was an annoyance on my desktop, where it kept the LPC on even after shutdown04:40
Hurrianrewiring the "on" LED made for a nice solution04:40
DocScrutinizer05open up charger, solder a short to green and yellow wire04:40
DocScrutinizer05resp to the middle two NC contacts of the USB-F of each port04:42
Luke-Jroh, if relevant; seems to be powering RPi04:42
DocScrutinizer05no, irrelevant04:42
DocScrutinizer05at least you know it works ;-)04:42
Luke-JrI don't know that yet04:43
Luke-Jrit's supposed to be 1A per port, no idea how to test that04:43
DocScrutinizer05I'd be more concerned it would deliver 4A to one port, without any hesitation04:44
Luke-Jrwould that be bad?04:44
DocScrutinizer05might suffice to unsolder the receptacle or plug04:44
DocScrutinizer055V * 4A = 20W :-o04:45
Luke-Jrhmm, I'm guessing it doesn't provide 1A since the RPi is doing zero network activity04:46
Luke-Jrwell, it says 2A max04:46
Luke-Jrso I'm guessing I can't use more than 2 ports at 1A04:46
DocScrutinizer05plug in a plug with a short over VBUS, and watch the whole thing melt down04:46
Luke-Jrno way to open this thing afaict04:47
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Luke-Jrany way to see charge current on N900?04:50
DocScrutinizer05so one of the 4 primary ports is linked to upstream of next hub chip == 7 downstream ports availablebq27k-detail04:52
DocScrutinizer05sometimes *strange* things happen on this laptop04:53
jon_yspeaking of USB hubs, why aren't USB3 hubs easy to find yet? :(04:53
DocScrutinizer05maybe because usb3 is rather exotic?04:54
jon_yI went to a store yesterday and found no USB 3 hubs04:54
Luke-Jryou buy things at stores?04:54
jon_ythey had those exotic 7 port hubs though04:54
jon_yLuke-Jr: goverment tax on anything imported04:55
Luke-Jrreal 7 port hubs are hard to find it seems04:55
jon_yyes, they open your ebay packages04:55
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Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: know where to find devices based on  SMSC USB2507/USB2517, TI TUSB2077A, and REA uPD720113 ?04:55
Luke-Jrcat: can't open '/sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx_pwm.0/hdq.0/hdq/dump': No such file or directory04:56
jon_ycustoms and shipping cost makes it expensive when you can just walk down to a store and get it right now with no wait04:56
DocScrutinizer05google and fleabay are my only friends04:56
jon_yI know some of my friends travel about 500KM just to get some hardware :)04:57
DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: seems you picked an ancient version of my famous bq27k-detail script?04:57
Luke-Jrfirst google result ;P04:57
DocScrutinizer05google for bq27k-detail204:57
jon_ydoes USB 3 allow for more power draw?04:58
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jon_yLuke-Jr: answering my question?04:58
DocScrutinizer05or get ShadowJK's bq27200.sh04:58
Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: where to get i2cdump? :/04:59
DocScrutinizer05or get ShadowJK's bq27200.sh04:59
DocScrutinizer05though i2ctools is in extras-devel too04:59
DocScrutinizer05maybe even in extras04:59
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues bq2705:00
infobotFactoid search of 'bq27' by value (2): bq27k-detail ;; bq27200.05:00
infobotsomebody said bq27k-detail was
GGonwish i could install maemo or meego on my lumia 90005:02
Luke-Jrweird, this i2c-tools package is hanging apt05:02
DocScrutinizer05no, it's just displaying something on your hildon desktop05:03
Luke-Jrdo people actually look at the display? :P05:03
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Luke-Jrwhat am I looking for in the output? :x05:05
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DocScrutinizer05keep in mind that bq27200 is just gas gauge for battery, while charger chip also has to power your system, so power drawn from USB = batcharge power + system power05:06
Luke-JrI don't see either of those on the output :/05:07
DocScrutinizer05in bq27k-detail you wanna look for AI05:08
DocScrutinizer05in it is 4th col (mA)05:09
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Luke-Jr0x15 - 0x14:  1738    AI Average Current High - Low Byte               3.57 µV (1)    R05:10
Luke-Jr                    *3.57 / 20 =  311 mA05:10
DocScrutinizer05I guess for everyday usage is more convenient05:14
DocScrutinizer05esp in loop mode05:14 505:14
DocScrutinizer05anyway a hint: if TTE=65535 it's charging05:15
DocScrutinizer05if TTF=65535 it's discharging05:16
DocScrutinizer05AI value will change sign too, but nobody can remember what means negative and what positive05:16
DocScrutinizer05seems your system is discharging battery with 311mA, not entirely insane value05:17
DocScrutinizer05if you'd attach it to a 500mA standard USB host, you get (500mA *5v /4V)-311mA as charging value for battery05:18
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DocScrutinizer05OhFsck! 統 振 股 份 有 限 公 司 WELLDONE COMPANY: "...When discharged at 240mA to2.75V after standart charge at 25°C"  I always thought this bullshit "stand-art" is a typical german brainfart "typo"05:29
DocScrutinizer05now chinese do that as well :-S05:30
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: p.7 ff PTC specs05:36
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DocScrutinizer05umm, nope05:37
DocScrutinizer05page 5205:41
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DocScrutinizer05particularly p.6005:44
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PlourdeAny advice please. Nitdroid is installed using u boot and no wireless networks show up at all08:31
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: what about that thermistor?10:18
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aklsmy n900 rebooted and asked for a pin code while I was sleeping. How can I see what was the reason?12:51
kerioakls: /proc/bootreason is a start12:51
keriosomething rebooted12:53
keriodo you have syslog installed?12:53
aklsI did not install it12:55
aklsso I guess that no12:55
kerioanything weird going on?12:55
aklsno, everything is fine. But last night I've opened my easy debian chroot and started upgrading it12:56
aklsbut the upgrade has finished12:56
aklssuccessfully, I guess12:56
aklsbecause everything is fine with apt-get12:56
kerioever had any problems with the phone?12:56
aklsnope, I have it just for 4 days :)12:56
keriojust stock fremantle then?12:57
keriowas the battery charged?12:57
kerioDocScrutinizer05: *poke*12:57
aklsno, community ssu testing12:57
aklsit was connected to my pc via usb charger12:58
aklsand the battery is ok12:58
aklskerio, should I install syslog and then wait for the next time it happens?12:59
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kerioi suppose13:13
aklsso, about "apt-get upgrade" in easy debian... It makes the device hang and reboot forcing you to reinstall easy debian13:14
aklsso I've made a little script that upgrades the packages one by one13:14
keriooooh, i think i know what went wrong then13:14
aklsit requires apt-show-versions to be installed13:14
kerioShadowJK can probably back me up on this13:14
kerioakls: IO intensive things make everything slow to a crawl13:15
kerioand there's a watchdog that reboots the system if it isn't tickled every $something seconds13:15
aklskerio, I was upgrading with my script. And upgrade has finished successfully13:15
aklsso it's not the reason13:15
keriothen idk13:15
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kerioanyway, i've got this at the end of /etc/init.d/rcS13:17
aklswhat's that?13:17
aklsI mean what is it going to do?13:18
keriospeed up I/O quite dramatically13:18
kerioat the cost of a bit more ram used for I/O13:18
kerioShadowJK: is that right?13:18
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keriooh my fucking god what the hell is wrong with the easydebian developer13:28
kerioputting files in /root/ and /home/user, cycling a swap partition without even checking that it's there, overwriting /sys/block/mmcblk*/queue/nr_requests13:30
kerioit's almost worse than easy-chroot's "user ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL"13:32
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djszapi -> Hey, how can I insert a sim card safely into my new n900?13:39
djszapiI recall that previously it was simple to remove the relevant cover, but it does not seem so now.13:39
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kerioi don't get the meaning of that picture13:40
keriothe sim is below the battery13:40
djszapiah yes, I am confusing this with the N950.13:40
djszapithank you!13:41
keriothose are all buttons! D:13:41
djszapilong time I have used N900 :D13:41
djszapibut I have no other fallback phone here now ^^13:42
PsotnickAnyone knows is there a script that is triggered by opening/closing the back cover?13:43
djszapiso how can I get the back off13:43
keriodjszapi: idk, a thumbnail13:43
Psotnickdjszapi: on the right side of the phone (in landscape) you've got a place to stick your nail in. Place it there and pull it13:44
kerioMrPingu: oh, neat13:45
keriowhat's "service" there?13:45
kerioalso, why the stop directive?13:45
kerioand why don't you run it earlier?13:46
MrPingutook just the example script :P13:46
djszapiPsotnick: ok, if that is safe ok then.13:46
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Psotnickdjszapi: it should be safe I do it like that ;)13:47
djszapiI thought there would have been a button (or two) to press to get that automatically off.13:47
MrPingukerio: What would you propose then?13:47
Sicelodjszapi: it's safe, although it 'sounds' dangerous :p13:47
keriothe end of rcS :)13:47
keriounless those parameters get overwritten afterwards13:47
djszapiSicelo: Psotnick thank you.13:48
Psotnickdjszapi: no problem13:49
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kerioMrPingu: where have you taken those parameters?13:50
keriopage-cluster 0 seems weird13:50
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MrPinguFMG, on a post in the easy-debian thread13:50
keriooh freemangordon <313:51
MrPinguIncreased nr_requests acording to ShadowJK13:52
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djszapiis the n900 sim lock free?13:56
djszapimy vodafone sim card does not get recognized after the boot, apparently.13:57
djszapiI got this instance at the meego summit after the meegathon competition.13:59
djszapiso probably not from the operators, but directly from Nokia.13:59
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djszapihm, it was ok for the second boot.14:01
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PsotnickHow can I obtain omap_hsmmc.c from N900 kerel power?14:18
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ShadowJKI think N900 has the capability to do simlock14:35
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ShadowJKNow whether you bought N900 from an operator or from a normal shop without operator contracts, and if operator locked it or not, is the question :P14:36
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akls hahahahha15:39
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ((what about that thermistor?)) nice table with values, from -40 to +12015:44
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DocScrutinizer05((<akls> so I've made a little script that upgrades the packages one by one  <akls> kerio, I was upgrading with my script. And upgrade has finished successfully)) how do you even know? does your script some logging, or rise a flag file when done?15:48
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aklsDocScrutinizer05, what do you mean? O_o15:51
aklsDocScrutinizer05, it just gets the list of upgradable packages and then upgrades them one by one15:51
aklsand sleeps for 20 seconds between each other15:51
DocScrutinizer05akls: when your N900 reboots at arbitrary time, how would you tell your script had finished at that time?15:51
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aklsDocScrutinizer05, oh, apt-get upgrade says that there are no packages to upgrade15:52
aklsand that dpkg was not interrupted15:52
DocScrutinizer05my personal suspicion is that your PC stopped charging15:53
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aklsmaybe I'm a psycho, but I'm trying to load eclipse in easy debian15:53
aklsholy shit15:54
aklsit works15:54
DocScrutinizer05sure, why not15:54
DocScrutinizer05you got a pretty standard PC with a debian and a ~250MHz "real" CPU, with 200MB RAM and 700MB swap15:55
aklsit crashed O_o15:56
kerioyep, sounds like eclipse15:56
DocScrutinizer05well, that's not exactly a surprise for any eclipse, no? ;-)15:56
aklsIt crashed only once in my 5 years experience15:57
aklsmaybe twice15:57
aklsmaybe I'm just too lucky15:57
DocScrutinizer05or you used eclipse onle once, maybe twice ?  ;-P15:59
aklsno, I'm using it a lot15:59
PsotnickAnyone knows how can I make my N900 think that the back cover is always on? My sensor's probably broken and I can't use microsd cards.15:59
aklsmostly for java development15:59
aklssometimes c++ or python15:59
aklsPsotnick, what do you mean by "back cover is always on" ?16:00
DocScrutinizer05Psotnick: not your sensor is broken, your cover is. missing magnet16:00
aklsI thought there's no sensor for back cover?16:00
aklsonly for the camera thing16:00
DocScrutinizer05there is a hall switch16:00
PsotnickDocScrutinizer05: the magnet is on16:00
DocScrutinizer05detecting stand magnet16:00
DocScrutinizer05try with a better magnet, for a start16:01
aklsit crashed again.. hmm..16:01
DocScrutinizer05Psotnick: it's actually hard to fake that sensor/hallswitch16:01
DocScrutinizer05afaik it's embedded deeply in mmc driver16:02
PsotnickDocScrutinizer05: tried with a magnet from a case, they're pretty strong16:02
DocScrutinizer05no luck?16:02
kerioare you sure you placed it correctly?16:02
PsotnickDocScrutinizer05: no16:02
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DocScrutinizer05you know where's that sensor?16:02
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Psotnickkerio: I tried with a lot of combinations16:03
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PsotnickDocScrutinizer05: under the place where the magnet is, between battery and slot16:03
kerioi thought it was between usd and camera16:04
kerioDocScrutinizer05: isn't it a hardware thing to completely disable the slot when the sensor doesn't detect the backcover?16:05
Psotnickkerio: probably not, there's a driver for that omap_hsmmc16:05
DocScrutinizer05cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch16:06
PsotnickNokia-N900:~# cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch16:07
keriostupid thing: try echoing "closed" to it :316:07
DocScrutinizer05watch -n 1 /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch16:07
DocScrutinizer05then try with a proper magnet16:08
DocScrutinizer05after all it *might* really be defect16:08
DocScrutinizer05the magnet in cover is the little one holding the stand16:08
DocScrutinizer05in the center under the silver frame around cam slider16:09
kerioDocScrutinizer05: weren't you saying something about reversing that GPIO pin and turning it on?16:09
Psotnickwatch says permission denied16:09
kerioPsotnick: watch -n 1 cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch16:09
aklseclipse is extremely slow :D no surprise16:09
DocScrutinizer05kerio: thanks16:10
Psotnickkerio: oh, thanks. I missed that16:10
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Psotnickit says open all the time16:10
kerioPsotnick: :(16:11
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I once suggested something along that line, yes16:11
aklsoh wait.. not that slow16:11
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DocScrutinizer05Psotnick: I guess mmc_host is the driver, and cover_switch is where it deals with this hall-sensor very directly16:13
DocScrutinizer05you need to build your own mmc_host driver I guess16:13
keriois that driver open?16:14
keriowhy hasn't anybody fixed it, then?16:14
DocScrutinizer05it's kernel, so yes?16:14
PsotnickIt's open, I've got the sources16:14
PsotnickBut it's too hard for me to understand the code16:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: are you sure it's not also a purely hardware thing?16:15
kerio(note the "also")16:15
PsotnickI thought about replacing all 'mmc_slot(host).get_cover_state' with 1, but I don't know what 'mmc_slot(host).get_cover_state(host->dev, host->slot_id)' stands for16:16
DocScrutinizer05kerio: yep, I'm quite sure16:17
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: N5820 "Main Camera Cover Switch" goes to SoC pin C26 "CAM_D11" GPIO. No relation whatsoever to mmc-interface hw block16:21
PsotnickDocScrutinizer05: the sensor can be fixed only with new motherboard?16:23
DocScrutinizer05ooops sorry, I told BS16:25
DocScrutinizer05N5210 "uSD card hotswap sensor" connects to SoC GPIO160 (pin T21) "McBSP1_CLKS". So the basic rationale stays the same: not related to uSD hw interface16:27
DocScrutinizer05Psotnick: (new MoBo) that depends what's defect16:29
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PsotnickOk, I see, thank you for your time16:33
DocScrutinizer05if sensor N5210 or ESD-EMI-filter Z5210 are defect, or maybe R5210 or C5212, then you could fix the component16:34
DocScrutinizer05anyway I *always* suggest reflashing a clean pure maemo fremantle pr1.3 and then retest16:35
DocScrutinizer05Psotnick: ^^^16:35
PsotnickDocScrutinizer05: I tried that already16:35
kerioPsotnick: try the gpio thing!16:36
DocScrutinizer05the brute force "fix" (if SoC still ok): remove R5210, short "lower end" of R5210 to GND16:37
DocScrutinizer05or what kerio said16:37
jon_yhey, anybody know how to make fmms stop auto rotating?16:37
DocScrutinizer05though I'd ask somebody else to first test it on their device if it actually works16:37
jon_yI tried blacklisting but it's python16:38
PsotnickI'm too dumb to understand you guys16:38
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DocScrutinizer05Psotnick: there's a generic way to handle GPIO in linux, via sysfs16:38
DocScrutinizer05the sensor is connected to GPIO16016:39
DocScrutinizer05you could define GPIO160 as output, and then set it to 1/on/high, which would - in theory - signal any process watching this GPIO (mmc_host) that the cover is closed16:41
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DocScrutinizer05(([2012-10-21 15:16:10] <Psotnick> I thought about replacing all 'mmc_slot(host).get_cover_state' with 1, but I don't know what 'mmc_slot(host).get_cover_state(host->dev, host->slot_id)' stands for)) sounds like a pretty good plan as well16:42
PsotnickOkay, I think I understand16:43
PsotnickI'm afraid that I can't even compile it16:44
PsotnickAlso if that fails, would simple kernel reflash fix that?16:47
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: sure16:47
kerioPsotnick: isn't it a module?16:47
DocScrutinizer05kerio: prolly monolithic16:47
Psotnickkerio: yes, It is16:47
DocScrutinizer05err, it's a *.ko??16:48
kerioomap_hsmmc, mmc_block, mmc_core16:48
kerioone of those16:48
Psotnickomap_hsmmc.ko is responsible for back cover open/closed status16:49
DocScrutinizer05modinfo: could not find module map_hsmmc16:49
DocScrutinizer05duh, my bad16:50
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: put python in blacklist?16:51
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: how about starting fmms not via "python" but simply via "" like any other proper script with proper shebang line?16:52
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DocScrutinizer05I guess CSSU rotation blacklist goes for $016:53
DocScrutinizer05or *maybe* it even goes for window title - sorry I have NFC16:54
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: I don't know, it was started from the app menu16:54
jon_yI guess I can start it manually16:54
jon_ywhich user does it run as, I hope I don't need root16:54
DocScrutinizer05I guess pasting the *full* ps line here (from htop if you have no proper ps) will tell us a lot16:55
DocScrutinizer05also looking into the .desktop will enlighten us a bit16:55
DocScrutinizer05sorry, no fmms here, so I can't help on that16:55
jon_yoh ok, just a normal user16:55
jon_y8825 user 2215 python /opt/fmms/fmmsd.py16:56
jon_yand another .... user .... python /opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py16:57
DocScrutinizer05head -n 2 /opt/fmms/fmmsd.py16:57
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DocScrutinizer05head -n 2 /opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py16:57
DocScrutinizer05is there a proper python shebang?16:58
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jon_y#!/usr/bin/env python2.516:58
jon_yI guess it sort of has16:58
DocScrutinizer05frals: why is fmms started as "python $fmms" ?16:58
jon_ysorry, ps says python2.5 too16:58
jon_ywhere are the .desktop files to edit?16:59
DocScrutinizer05or sth16:59
jon_yhmm, Exec=/opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py17:01
DocScrutinizer05hmmm indeed17:01
jon_ybtw, x terminal -> new opens a new console17:03
jon_yhow do I get back the old one?17:03
DocScrutinizer05switch to the other window?17:03
jon_yugh, I feel stupid :(17:04
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DocScrutinizer05jon_y: please quit fmms17:04
jon_yI think /usr/bin/env is starting the python17:05
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: then start it from console, like `/opt/fmms/`17:05
aklsfinally my favorite music player moc on my phone!!!17:05
jon_yyeah, I did that, python2.5 is still there17:05
DocScrutinizer05friggin python17:05
aklsrunning in easy debian, but still17:05
aklsI wonder if it drains more or less battery than native n900 music player...17:06
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: we'll fix that in CSSU eventually17:06
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: thanks17:06
jon_yyou guys are awesome17:06
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akls^ agreed17:06
DocScrutinizer05I already thought blacklist needs regex17:06
jon_ydoes hildon-desktop need restarting if I change the blacklist?17:07
jon_yregex can get kind of funky if everything is in one line17:07
jon_ymake it m-m-m-multiline? :)17:07
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DocScrutinizer05sure it's still multiline :-P17:09
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DocScrutinizer05won't hurt to get simple shell patterns in the names17:10
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: it is? the example had everything in one line17:10
DocScrutinizer05sorry I have nfc, never looked into a real blacklist17:11
PsotnickHow can I get sources for kernel power?17:11
jon_ynah, I prefer regex, glob can get crazynfc?17:11
DocScrutinizer05it's a single friggin line in transitions.ini17:12
* jon_y no like glob17:12
infobot[nfc] No Fucking Clue, or near field communications17:12
jon_yoh ok17:12
jon_ynew blacklist.ini? one entry per line?17:13
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jon_yor blacklist.conf since it has little to no ini structure to it17:13
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: that's been my requirement specs for blacklist, somebody ignored it :-S17:13
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DocScrutinizer05actually I specified a dir hildon-blacklist.d/17:14
jon_yyes, that would be easier for apps to tell hildon they can't rotate right17:14
jon_yor even whitelist.d17:14
DocScrutinizer05since we all know the PITA that comes from managing one-line edits in post-install post-remove scripts17:14
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jon_yauto rotate can now be ternary, yes, no, auto17:15
jon_yyes means rotate all except blacklisted17:15
DocScrutinizer05I guess I can prod somebody to add that silly little patch to cssu H-D17:15
jon_yno means no rotate at all17:15
jon_yauto means rotate only whitelist17:15
jon_ywell, ternary looks good on paper17:16
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DocScrutinizer05or maybe I have to implement those patches myself :-S17:23
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DocScrutinizer051) allow whitespace in blacklist items, for exact matching against full cmdline: blacklist= "appname1 parmeter1 parameter2"17:25
DocScrutinizer052) allow shell patterns: blacklist= "appname1 *"17:26
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DocScrutinizer053) allow multiple lines: blacklist= "appname1" \n blacklist= "appname2"17:26
DocScrutinizer054) allow new parameter "blacklistinclude = /path/to/file/with/shellpatterns*", to 'source' all files that result from pathname expansion of the shell patterns in path parameter17:28
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DocScrutinizer05in those files, same blacklist related syntax applies as in original transitions.ini17:29
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DocScrutinizer05I don't think it makes sense to forbid blacklistinclude in included files, when stuff gets coded properly17:30
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DocScrutinizer05so 4a) it's user's responsibility to not define circular blacklistinclude. Nevertheless we may define a max nesting depth of maybe 10, after which H-D aborts evaluation of transitions.ini and throws an error to logging but doesn't exit17:32
kerioDocScrutinizer05: or just /etc/hildondesktop.conf and /etc/hildondesktop.conf.d/*17:34
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DocScrutinizer05nope, I prefer to define arbitrary include patterns, so we *could* for example run over all blacklistinclude=/usr/share/apps/hildon/*.desktop17:35
DocScrutinizer05since this windows-configfile syntax allows for arbitrary crap parameters in a file that simply get ignored when unknown, it would be pretty perfect to scan all .desktop for a parameter "blacklist=$me"17:37
DocScrutinizer05I hope you appreciate that idea17:38
keriosounds like a mess17:38
DocScrutinizer05why? where? which mess?17:38
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keriothere's no "blacklist" parameter in .desktop files17:40
DocScrutinizer05so what?17:40
DocScrutinizer05doesn't mean we can't add one17:40
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DocScrutinizer05if we feel like17:40
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DocScrutinizer05see specs of .desktop format17:41
DocScrutinizer05it explicitly allows arbitrary parameters that simply get ignored by all the processes that don't know them17:42
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DocScrutinizer05in fact H-D acts exactly according to that17:43
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DocScrutinizer05I accidentally tested it just so often, by adding something that had a typo17:43
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, I forgot to explicitly mention it17:46
DocScrutinizer054b) of course multiple lines "blacklistinclude=" are allowed17:46
DocScrutinizer054c) each include is executed ad hoc, and later definitions override earlier ones, if conflicting17:48
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DocScrutinizer05(technically all blacklist= parameters are kept in an internal list that gets scanned from end to start for first entry defining about rotation of the app under evaluation)17:50
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DocScrutinizer05((footnote: while this last definition is meaningless for current blacklist, it starts to become relevant when we also get whitelist entries that are added to same list))17:52
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PsotnickWhat should I write to /etc/apt/sources.list to use extras/devel?17:53
PsotnickOh, it worked17:54
DocScrutinizer054c1) TBD when this list gets refreshed, possible events to trigger refresh are: start of H-D (obviously), opening of taskswitcher screen, inotify evens (TBD), SIGHUP/SIGUSR117:54
aklsmoc eats 100% cpu on easy debian. Is there anything I can do with it?17:54
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SiceloPsotnick: iirc HAM overwrites that each time. i think /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list is more permant17:56
DocScrutinizer05yep, exactly17:56
PsotnickSicelo: I know, just noticed that ;)17:56
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DocScrutinizer05even better: add your own files to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/17:57
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DocScrutinizer05well, 'better' is relative here17:58
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DocScrutinizer05errrr /usr/lib/testserver/modules/handlers/ o.O   .oO(???)18:04
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DocScrutinizer05wtf is this testserver?18:06
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DocScrutinizer05"Report bugs to Paul Mundt <>"18:10
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* DocScrutinizer05 is tempted to do a `start test` or `start local`18:18
DocScrutinizer05less /etc/event.d/testserver18:18
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DocScrutinizer05oh LOL: preinit: >> STATE=`getbootstate`        echo_g "Entering state '$STATE'."        case $STATE in   ...  LOCAL|TEST)                        def_runlevel=3 <<18:22
DocScrutinizer05so what makes getbootstate respond "TEST" ?18:23
DocScrutinizer05BWAHAHA the notorious >>                        echo_g "Houston, we have a problem, powering off..." << X-P18:24
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# getbootstate --help18:28
DocScrutinizer05getbootstate: Unexpected reset occured. Using previous bootstate 'USER'18:28
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cityLightsare there any cycling ppl here?18:34
cityLights#cycling seems empty18:34
cityLightsI want to ask a question about cycling in the alps18:34
cityLightsguessing some ppl here are near the alps18:34
DocScrutinizer05honestly, wrong channel18:34
cityLightswhich then?18:35
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entitledmaybe try another network completely18:35
DocScrutinizer05reading preinit is a real thrill, each single time18:36
aklshm. I'm trying to use my favorite cli music player moc on n900. It works fine with easy debian, but for some reason eats 100% cpu. I've tried opening the same song with mpg123 and when running from user it works fine, but from root it eats 100% cpu too.18:38
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aklssomething is wrong :\18:39
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DocScrutinizer05epic: preinit seems to offer booting from SDx "HDD" attached to USB host mode18:40
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DocScrutinizer05in addition to NAND flash, and MMC18:40
DocScrutinizer05less "+/show_roots()" /sbin/preinit18:41
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Jadeakls, i used to use moc19:36
DocScrutinizer05akls: well, mediaplayers shouldn't run with root permissions19:36
Jadei think it might not be using hardware acceleration for playing mp3's, although i doubt even then it would eat 100% cpu19:36
Jadei'm not sure if that even makes sense19:36
DocScrutinizer05that's no reason why it eats 100% CPU, but anyway19:36
Jadebut it works fine for me19:36
Jadeso i dont know19:36
Jadei ran mine in maemo and not debian19:36
Jadei had compiled it19:37
DocScrutinizer05akls: anyway if your mediaplayer is run under root account, I guess it will need at very least, since it might need access to USER's session bus etc19:38
aklsJade had any cpu problems?19:38
Jadeshowed maybe 10-15% at most19:39
aklsJade was it estel or what?19:39
DocScrutinizer05akls: anyway if your mediaplayer is run under root account, I guess it will need at very least, since it might need access to USER's session bus etc19:39
Jadewhat's that19:39
aklsJade you were running it under easy debian?19:39
Jadei compiled it on maemo19:39
aklsso installed from source, right?19:39
aklsgot it19:39
aklsJade thank you very much, my savior!19:39
Jademocp doesnt have that many dependencies, it compiles pretty fast19:39
aklsnow I have to go :)19:40
Jadeso you should be good if you really want to compile it19:40
aklsthank you!19:40
aklsI was not even thinking about running it without easy debian :D19:40
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PsotnickDocScrutinizer05: setting all the "mmc_slot(host).get_cover_state" caused a reboot loop22:57
DocScrutinizer05maybe changing anything on that module caused the reboot loop22:58
kerioPsotnick: have you tried just loading it from a booted system?22:59
DocScrutinizer05if vermagic doen't match, kernel won't load the module, and thus can't mount eMMC and /home and /opt22:59
DocScrutinizer05ergo: bootloop22:59
DocScrutinizer05well known effect when kernel modules don't match the kernel23:00
PsotnickOk, I'll try just to load it23:00
keriocan someone with KP installed pastebin the content of his /etc/default/mount-opts?23:01
DocScrutinizer05btw I'd just patch that function to always return state "closed" rather than edit all the ölocations where it gets called23:01
DocScrutinizer05Psotnick: and I'm afraid there might as well be some IRQ handler that deals with state changes of GPIO160 on a hardware level23:03
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DocScrutinizer05since it doesn't make sense when the kernel module would _poll_ mmc_slot(host).get_cover_state 5 times a second, to catch wehn somebody dares to open battery cover23:04
PsotnickI modprobed that module and it loaded, but still can't see /dev/mmcblk123:05
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PsotnickI think I'll just give up23:06
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kerioaww :(23:20
keriotry the gpio thing now!23:20
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DocScrutinizer05hacking kernel modules isn't exactly trivial, mainly due to the poor debugging opportunities23:30
DocScrutinizer05tbh I doubt my idea about GPIO reprogramming will fly23:31
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: sure, with *that* attitude...23:31
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DocScrutinizer05find each reference to GPIO160 in that kernel module, weed out the result of an changing input at lowest possible level23:32
DocScrutinizer05as mentioned there might as well be a IRQ handler waiting for an IRQ triggered from that GPIO23:33
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DocScrutinizer05dafaq! my t900 is definitely messed up23:41
vi__which gpio?23:42
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: D:23:45
keriothe billion-year-uptime one?23:45
DocScrutinizer05rootfs filled up I guess23:45
DocScrutinizer05vi__: 16023:45
keriothis shit right here is the reason you don't install sysklogd!23:45
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: are you going to reflash it?23:45
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I'm going to reboot it :-O23:47
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: nooooooooooooooooo23:47
keriodon't do it23:47
keriothink of the children!23:47
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# uptime23:47
DocScrutinizer05 23:00:07 up 204 days, 23:55, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.0023:47
keriofix it!23:47
DocScrutinizer05no more mounts23:48
keriowhat's fucked about it?23:48
keriowhat does dmesg say?23:48
DocScrutinizer05dmesg is ok23:48
DocScrutinizer05syslog isn't23:48
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DocScrutinizer05mount isn't23:48
keriostop it then23:48
kerioand clean the rootfs23:48
DocScrutinizer05cat /etc7mtab isn't23:48
keriomaybe mount can't write to /etc/mtab23:48
kerioand mtab can be restored from /proc/mounts23:48
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# cat /proc/mounts >/etc/mtab23:49
DocScrutinizer05-sh: cannot create /etc/mtab: No space left on device23:49
keriojust rm /var/log/syslog23:49
kerioyou don't need it :P23:49
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r--    1 root     root     29316716 Oct 14 14:02 syslog23:49
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# rm /var/log/syslog23:49
DocScrutinizer05already did23:49
kerioubifs is weird like that23:50
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# sync23:50
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# cat /proc/mounts >/etc/mtab23:50
DocScrutinizer05-sh: cannot create /etc/mtab: No space left on device23:50
keriowhat does df say?23:50
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# df -h23:50
DocScrutinizer05Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on23:50
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keriodf /23:51
keriothere must be a way to force df to work23:51
DocScrutinizer05df: /: can't find mount point23:51
keriooh lawds23:51
keriocan you make a symlink?23:51
kerioln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab23:51
DocScrutinizer05I doubt23:51
keriohave you stopped sysklogd and klogd, btw?23:52
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab23:52
DocScrutinizer05ln: /etc/mtab: File exists23:52
keriook then, delete it23:52
kerioif syslog is still open then maybe it's keeping /var/log/syslog alive23:52
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# rm /etc/mtab23:52
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab23:52
DocScrutinizer05ln: /etc/mtab: No space left on device23:52
kerioDocScrutinizer05: what have you done? D:23:53
DocScrutinizer05killed my best uptime23:53
keriosrsly tho23:53
kerioit's fixable23:53
DocScrutinizer05syslog ended Sep 2923:53
kerioDocScrutinizer05: mount a new /etc via nfs23:53
kerioIT CAN'T GO WRONG23:54
DocScrutinizer05I'll just reboot23:54
keriowell that's just weak :S23:54
kerioi wonder if it'll boot23:55
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DocScrutinizer05we'll see23:56
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DocScrutinizer05booting to ACT_DEAD? Friggin KP4623:58

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