IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-10-20

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vi__~seen marxian00:18
infoboti haven't seen 'marxian', vi__00:18
vi__~seen your peen00:19
infobotvi__: i haven't seen 'your peen'00:19
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infobotvi__: i haven't seen 'marxian'00:19
vi__why the first is different?00:19
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DocScrutinizer05what's different?00:44
DocScrutinizer05aah, the first00:45
DocScrutinizer05well, she's eloquent00:45
infobotgood coffee00:45
infobotmethinks xyawn is big coffee00:45
infobotrumour has it, xyawn is strong coffee00:45
DocScrutinizer05~lart vi__00:46
* infobot takes out a cattle prod and gives vi__ a good jolt00:46
DocScrutinizer05~lart vi__00:47
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Woody14619bOff for the weekend... have fun everyone.01:08
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DocScrutinizer05congrats to board, and also to woody ;-D01:09
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Skryuseless statistic of the day: full charge equals roughly about 10h as distcc master (through wlan, -j 6)01:36
SpeedEvilthat's three n900s in a row on eBay with no USB port gone at over 50 quid01:37
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avtobiffhi! i wonder how to style/theme a GtkButton and GtkToggleButton. they just appear flat when all the other apps have a 3d-ish effect to them. i have found set_style() but it does not do anything...03:08
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ShadowJKI have no clue, really no clue, but my guess would be that there are some special hildon equivalents of GtkButton and GtkToggleButton that gives you the hildon styling03:15
ShadowJKand I'm saying that mostly because when you run pure gtk/gnome apps on maemo, they look pretty unstyled03:18
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avtobiffShadowJK, maybe everything else is qt?03:29
ShadowJKMost things in Maemo5 is Hildon03:29
avtobiffi tried HildonButton without any luck :(03:29
avtobiffah yes of course03:29
ShadowJKThe time/date setting thing at boot is clutter :)03:30
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stardivinerMy N900 always need to set time and date after restart phone. How to solve this problem ?04:52
ShadowJKIt's almost impossible.04:52
ShadowJKYou'd need to replace the backup battery, but that requires a full disassembly and expert soldering skills04:53
SpeedEvilor software04:55
stardivinerShadowJK: Is it normal for N900 that the time will be changed after change battery ?04:55
SpeedEvilnetdate first04:55
SpeedEvilstardiviner: no. however, once the backup battery fails, yes04:56
stardivinerSpeedEvil: I know a program "Sync Clock Now", but it can now set time correctly in my case.04:56
SpeedEviland it tends to fail early04:56
SpeedEvildoes it set it from network, or cell operator?04:56
stardivinerOh .... It's really hateful. I almost change battery once a day.04:56
SpeedEvilopenntpdate I think was the package I used04:57
stardivinerSpeedEvil: from wifi04:57
ShadowJKI change battery once a year, and reboot once every 4 months :/04:57
SpeedEvilyou tell it a NTP server, and leave it04:57
ShadowJKMy operator does send me time updates, so even if just tap away the time screen, the correct time arrives when I connect to 3g data :/04:58
stardivinerShadowJK: no, I mean, I have two batteries, I shift them, after one is used up. and another is charged.04:58
stardivinerSpeedEvil: I have not tried that openntpdate package, I should try later.04:58
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ShadowJKYeah there's only been a few occasions over the years when I've ran out of power05:02
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iluminator105is there anyway i can downgrade cssu testing camera, its too slow and acts funky05:43
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Hurrianyou can apt-get install=camera-ui of a certain version06:28
Hurrianlemme check06:28
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Hurrianapt-get install --reinstall camera-ui=
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iluminator105Hurrian, thanks i will try it out in a few minutes06:53
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iluminator105Hurrian, worked like a charm09:00
iluminator105hurrian did you install thumb?09:01
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iluminator105i am about to install thumb but i am confused by this this is for 32bit though09:03
iluminator105can someone help me install thumb?09:08
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kerioiluminator105: that's the toolchain, you don't need it as a user09:45
keriostardiviner: change the batteries *quickly*09:45
kerioas in, try to leave the n900 unpowered for at most a second09:45
stardivinerkerio: I tried that, no matter how quick I change, It always time reset randomly.09:47
stardivinerkerio: and now, I'm updating FAM catalogs, already 1.5 hours. really ....09:48
iluminator105kerio is there a auto installer for thumb09:49
infobothmm... cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or
keriostardiviner: what the fuck09:50
keriono, that's not normal09:50
stardivinerkerio: yes, I know, very weird, So I'm trying to update from terminal console. command : apt-get update.09:51
stardivinerkerio: GPG key expired .... three errors.09:51
stardivineron downloads.maemo.com09:52
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GGoni sure wish my damn n900 would work on att 3G09:54
GGonthis week i'm getting an e7.. hell with it09:54
GGoni want a qwerty and am so sick of every single phone attaching your life to google, ms, or apple09:54
keriostardiviner: it's not an error, it's a warning09:54
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stardivinerkerio: What should I do ?09:55
keriostardiviner: for instance, stop using fapman09:55
kerioit's kinda awful09:56
kerioit's probably choking up on that expired key09:56
stardivinerkerio: use N900 default HAM ? but I found it is very slow.09:56
kerioit is09:56
keriouse apt, if you think you know what you're doing09:56
stardivinerkerio: ok, then what about aptitude ?09:57
kerioit should be about as fast as apt09:57
stardivinerkerio: Is it good on N900 ?09:57
stardivinerkerio: idk ? what's that ?09:58
kerioI Don't Know09:58
stardivinerkerio: ??? You said idk09:58
iluminator105i started the thumb install how long does it take09:58
kerioiluminator105: a bit09:58
keriokeep your phone charged :)09:59
iluminator105kerio it is at full charge should i plug in the charger too09:59
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kerioiluminator105: well, it's unlikely to drop too much10:00
keriobut still10:00
iluminator105GGon, can e7 be hacked to install maemo?10:01
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kerioiluminator105: nope10:05
keriomaemo fremantle runs on the n90010:05
kerioand that's it10:05
iluminator105how do you know thumb is installed?10:05
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kerioiluminator105: it reboots at the end10:07
kerioi assume HAM is doing its thing now10:07
iluminator105ham said thumb is installed but didnt reboot10:08
kerioiluminator105: you only installed the cssu enabler10:09
keriolaunch it from the menu10:09
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iluminator105is there a commandline command that will tell you10:12
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iluminator105ham said it installed how can i install it from menu i had cssu testing installed before10:15
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kerioiluminator105: oh10:16
keriothen you have to do a system update10:16
iluminator105does uname differ after install10:19
keriobut you have "thumb" in Settings->About CSSU10:20
kerioor something10:21
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iluminator105it says cssu meta package not installed?10:23
GGoniluminator105: i wish10:26
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kerioiluminator105: eeeew10:26
kerioiluminator105: sudo apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr10:27
keriowtf have you done to your n90010:27
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iluminator105good thing i didnt restart if i did i would been f---ed10:31
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iluminator105thumb installing for actual this time around10:34
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iluminator105didnt restart this time either?10:37
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kerioi assume apt-get installed a bunch of stuff10:41
iluminator105reboot its a success although i dont feel it be particularly any faster though10:45
iluminator105is anyone using maemeemo how is it?10:47
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zsolthi!looking for a solution to control my pc with my n900's accelerometer,but bluemaemo from extras devel uninstallable.any substitution?thanks11:05
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iluminator105how do you check free space in maemo i usually df -l but thats not workin11:25
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iluminator105isbnkeeper sucks is there a similar program like that that is better11:31
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DocScrutinizer06((<kerio> stardiviner: change the batteries *quickly*)) my battery changing method leaves device unpowered for only like 0.1s11:58
kerioDocScrutinizer06: my old one too11:59
keriolift the battery a bit, start sliding the new battery below, remove the old one and shove the new one in11:59
stardivinerkerio: DocScrutinizer06 But I do not know when the system is shutdown, The LED indicator light will closed before system is totally shutdown.12:00
DocScrutinizer06there's a trick12:01
DocScrutinizer06push power button12:01
DocScrutinizer06when it's not ramping up white LED, it's not yet powered down completely12:01
DocScrutinizer06*short* ! (< 2s)12:01
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iluminator105not funny12:03
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DocScrutinizer06not a joke12:07
kerioDocScrutinizer06: we really need a better handling of the led, turning it off as the *last* action before shutdown12:09
DocScrutinizer06meh, really complicated12:10
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aklshow can I right click in easy debian?\12:12
DocScrutinizer05we *might* get a patch into KP12:12
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: how's about a totally faked shutdown signalling? Let LP5523 do a oneshot white-LED program, that keeps LED powered for another 10s before shutting it down12:17
keriobut that would be cheeeeeeeeeating12:18
DocScrutinizer05occasionally we could retrigger it in init 012:18
kerioand what if it hasn't shat down (sic!) in 10 seconds?12:18
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DocScrutinizer05occasionally we could retrigger it in init 012:19
DocScrutinizer05shutdown tearing down a lot of processes12:19
DocScrutinizer05it could as well occasionally retrigger LED12:19
keriothat's about what i said12:20
DocScrutinizer05we just need to guarantee that kernel will shutdown in <10s after init0 'loop' ended12:20
kerioexcept that we turn it off right before closing12:20
DocScrutinizer05kerio: there's no more proper process to do that, at that time12:21
keriosure there is, the kernel :)12:21
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DocScrutinizer05[2012-10-20 11:12:30] <DocScrutinizer05> we *might* get a patch into KP12:22
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DocScrutinizer05TBH I have NFC how very late teardown of a linux system works12:23
kerioPali: is there some place to put a "shut down *all* the leds! _ò/" command that gets executed right before the shutdown?12:23
DocScrutinizer05too generic a question12:24
DocScrutinizer05Pali: what's the last function call in shutdown?12:24
DocScrutinizer05and who's doing that function-call12:24
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DocScrutinizer05is it like "1 init does execve() to /sbin/killmeforgood, which throws the masterswitch and never returns"?12:26
Paliput upstart script to /etc/event.d/ and add "start on shutdown"12:26
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ill-putted, execve() never returns :)12:26
iluminator105is queen bee widget a malware?12:26
kerio...wat? D:12:27
DocScrutinizer05quenn beecon? nah!12:27
DocScrutinizer05queen beecon?12:27
DocScrutinizer05not afaik12:27
DocScrutinizer05nobody with decent kernel / system knowledge around? c'mon, which process shuts down power in a linux?12:29
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i suppose we're even lucky something *does* shut down power12:30
DocScrutinizer05(hint: printf("the system is beeing powered down now...")12:30
keriomy sheevaplug stays powered, i have to powercycle it or hit the reset button to start it again12:30
* DocScrutinizer05 suspects apmd12:30
DocScrutinizer05or acpid12:30
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: it can't be something with a "d"12:32
kerioeverything is shut down there12:32
DocScrutinizer05indeed the *d are not taking an active role in shutdown12:34
Paliexecve *can* returns12:34
Paliand then set errno12:34
DocScrutinizer05I'd inclined to think it's indeed kernel itself that does the main powerswitch toggling12:34
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kerioPali: i assumed the call was successful12:36
DocScrutinizer05Pali: what is kernel supposed to do when init process quits?12:36
Paliwhen init quit, then kernel panic12:36
PaliI think it should call shutdown system call (which turn off device)12:37
DocScrutinizer05there's a system call for that? so here we are12:37
PaliDocScrutinizer05, halt/poweroff/shutdown/reboot/... with correct param calling that system call12:42
DocScrutinizer05no, they all just call systemd ;-P12:42
Palino systemd, but upstart :-)12:43
DocScrutinizer05ooh wait, maemo not yet completely poetterized12:43
DocScrutinizer05(I just went from man shutdown to man systemd, on my desktop machine)12:44
Palibut when kernel shuting down it deregistring all devices12:44
Paliso you should add needed hook to kernel driver to do something12:44
DocScrutinizer05(then puked a little, seeing dbus parameters for systemd, and "Author: Lennart Poettering"12:44
Paliwho is going to fork udev?12:45
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DocScrutinizer05or fork Poettering (treat him with forks)12:45
Palino need :-)12:46
DocScrutinizer05lennax - "niiiiice" (or actually "EEEEEEEEK!")12:47
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keriohi iDont ^_^12:54
jaskapoettering needs to be beaten with some kitchen utensils12:55
freemangordonShadowJK, vi__ : AIUI ramzswap bypasses blkdev queue by mmapping /dev/... backing swap device. Maybe that is why we have awful performance once backing swap is hit13:00
DocScrutinizer05jaska: indeed, just it's some years too late. should've happened around the time when he invented PA13:00
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infobot'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering''13:00
jaskahalf the time i call him potheadring as the exact spelling escapes me13:04
jaskai guess actual potheads might find that insulting13:05
DocScrutinizer05added a new bookmark folder "systemd/udev" just next to my "ALSA" folder13:15
DocScrutinizer05>>"Let's just switch to any crazy idea Lennart can come up with." - Patrick Volkerding<<13:15
DocScrutinizer05that's what I call bad luck:
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Skrymm, systemd is great.13:22
iDontkerio: hi!13:22
iDontwas afk for a while13:22
DocScrutinizer05  LOL! applause! YEAH!13:25
Skryhahah :D13:26
kerioit's especially funny because those two points are incredibly valid13:27
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vi__akls: ~vi-kbd13:40
vi__Y U NO WORK??13:40
infobotsomebody said vi-kbd was
vi__Skry: did you get super mod to work?13:41
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vi__kerio: apt remove osso-startup-wizard to get rid of the annoying time setter thing.13:43
vi__obviously you still have to set the clock.13:43
vi__what would be good would be a dialog that would remember at least the year and 12/24h clock.  This dialog would let you quickly set the time by typing in some numbers instead of fighting with the stupid hildon clockface thing.13:45
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vi__or perhaps even give you 2 extra buttons.  1. use gps to get the time and set it.13:46
vi__2. use the internet to get the time and set it.13:46
vi__osso-startup-wizard can go suck a fuck.  The way it replaces RX-51 file and some various directories in /usr/share.13:47
vi__I have no idead where it keeps its backups of these files.13:47
keriovi__: gps won't work at all, unless you set up the time somewhat correctly13:49
kerioand you need the network anyway13:49
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DocScrutinizer05Skry: systemd is ~poettering, it obviously tries to redefine large parts of how a sane system boot is supposed to work, obsoleteting and neglecting purpose of such things like init s (singleuser), and the true purpose of /usr which is *meant* to allow a system to boot without it being mounted (for all who might got confused: usr never been rekater to "user", it's "unix shareable resources" or sth like that)13:54
infobotoptification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"13:54
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DocScrutinizer05basically poettering argues that systems like N900 are no longer supported by contemporary linuxd13:55
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DocScrutinizer05besides the fact that the anti-point 2 >>Lennart Poettering is an asshole.<< seems pretty correct to me13:57
DocScrutinizer05which is no good anti-point of this sracastic post, but nevertheless it doesn't invalidate why systemd is broken by concept13:58
VanadisDocScrutinizer05, why don't you send him a patch?13:59
DocScrutinizer05a patch?13:59
jaskaa cyanide patch13:59
DocScrutinizer05patch for what?13:59
Vanadisfor everything13:59
DocScrutinizer05jaska: yeah13:59
Vanadissrsly, you get systemd for free, you get it COMPLETELY for free.13:59
jaskathats like saying you get aids for free13:59
DocScrutinizer05I also get dioxin waste for free, hell they even pay me to take it14:00
VanadisDid you guys srsly just compare aids/toxic waste with systemd?14:00
Vanadisnah, just trolling and gotta go :314:00
Vanadishave fun14:01
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DocScrutinizer05the original unix architect put quite a considerable amount of thought into general system architecture - /usr being part of that - and now fools like Poettering rush all over it, don't grok what it's meant for or what's the potential benefits, neither they grok how their very special but kinda niche system property requirements could get covered by this very comprehensive system architecture, and thus they wreck it for the perceived "14:05
DocScrutinizer05modern" and "much better cruft-free" abominations of their own invention14:05
DocScrutinizer05infobot: uptime14:06
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keriovi__: do you have a good one-shot ntp client handy?14:07
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you too14:07
DocScrutinizer05openntpd -$right-parameter14:07
DocScrutinizer05it's supposed to replace ntpdate/ntptime, just it doesn't allow to _only_ print date from ntp server _without_ same time setting systemclock14:08
DocScrutinizer05I'm missing this feature of original ntpdate very much14:08
kerioDocScrutinizer05: sadly, the "openntpd" on seems to not be openntpd at all14:08
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Skryyeah, well, good luck booting without /usr be it sysvinit or systemd. systemd also has concepts of something similar to runlevels.14:09
kerioSkry: the **whole point** of /usr is to be able to boot without it14:10
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ntpd --help14:10
DocScrutinizer05ntpd: invalid option -- -14:10
DocScrutinizer05usage: ntpd [-dSs] [-f file]14:10
kerioor, rather, to get everything you need to mount /usr outside of it14:10
DocScrutinizer05kerio: actually you're supposed to be able to run init s with a corrupted /usr14:11
DocScrutinizer05or no /usr at all14:11
keriohm, that too14:11
DocScrutinizer05if any of those retards ever had serviced a corrupted/broken unix server, they'd have knowns what /usr is menat for14:12
keriobut those problems only happened when there was no journaling! they're fixed now!14:13
DocScrutinizer05and the undeniable fact that nowadays a lot of "system integrators" like Nokia have NFC about how to handle that stuff correctly, thus placing PA into /usr/bin and then claiming boot isn't possible with no /usr mounted since then the shaking-hands video will bork bootup since no audio available at that time -oh well, is this /usr fault?14:14
DocScrutinizer05is systemd and messing up FHS any cure for the NFC of Nokia et al?14:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: to be fair, it's nokia's fault for wanting a fucking video with sound during boot14:16
keriobut it could've been done easily by mounting /usr *afterwards*!14:16
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keriono, wait, "but it could've been done easily by mounting /usr and then showing the video *afterwards*!" is better14:17
kerioDocScrutinizer05: why don't we run the official ntpd from
DocScrutinizer05if they'd be somewhat clever about that, they'd have a lean yet statically linked binary that directly interfaces framebuffer and audio-codec, and be done with it14:17
DocScrutinizer05(ntpd) nfc14:17
DocScrutinizer05(shaking hands video) but nooooo, they decide they need /usr/bin to be part of early boot since PA lives there14:18
DocScrutinizer05that's the result to give coding momkeys with no clue about system architecture the power to decide about that system architecture, so it will meet their ill-defined needs14:19
DocScrutinizer05whol eoptification abomination is a result of just that14:20
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hahaha, the ntp configure script checks for every header file one by one14:21
DocScrutinizer05hell, it's not engraved in granite that PA has to be in /usr/bin or /usr/lib, it's up to distro maintainers to decide where the packages have to reside14:22
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DocScrutinizer05so either keep friggin PA out of early boot completely, or move PA and its needed stuff into the corresponding directories meant to be actually available during early boot14:23
kerioDocScrutinizer05: or mount /usr early!14:23
kerioit's not hard!14:23
kerioyou need one fucking kernel module14:23
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DocScrutinizer05the whole debate about fucking up /usr is like "but there's XY in /usr/bin, so we need to get /usr/bin accessable during early boot since we need XY". That's a fundamentally ill concept14:25
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DocScrutinizer05the distinction between /bin and /usr/bin (or /lib and /usr/lib, you name it) is entirely based on whether the particular binary IS or IS NOT needed in single-user mode and/or during early boot14:27
keriowho are you telling this, btw?14:27
keriothe #maemo irclog?14:27
DocScrutinizer05the chanlog14:27
keriohe's probably bored of it by now14:27
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: I'm going to have to disagree with that explanation.14:28
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: The one I heard was basically that back in the day, when unix was being developed, the hard drives were so small, they had to add more and more drives to the system, every single one on a new mount point.14:29
DocScrutinizer05yep, and the stuff on /usr even shareable between several machines, since HDD were expensive14:30
kerioit's also about security, i guess14:31
kerio/usr can be read-only14:31
DocScrutinizer05so you'd move everything not strictly needed during early boottime from /(s)bin to /usr/(s)bin14:31
DocScrutinizer05so you gain some space on your crowded 200MB of root/14:32
DocScrutinizer05and still can boot up system to at very least single-user mode to fix stuff14:32
DocScrutinizer05Poettering obviously never wrapped his head around that14:33
DocScrutinizer05as never did Nokia/Maemo distro maintainers14:33
DocScrutinizer05it's NOT like /usr/bin been invented *before* /bin14:34
DocScrutinizer05in very early days there's been no /usr14:34
teotwakikerio: security has little to do with it. Users should only have write perms to their /home/$USER dir, and that's it. It doesn't really matter in how many directories are separated the binaries.14:34
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DocScrutinizer05when /usr got "invented", you'd move all the stuff that may, from /*/* to /usr/*/*14:35
DocScrutinizer05it's basically the sysadmin's decision what he thinks is needed to make a working singleuser system, and keep that stuff in /*, while moving the rest to /usr/*14:36
teotwaki/usr/local, initially, was where people could install things for a specific machine, because /usr was mounted from nfs.14:36
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, /usr/local/ is in fact a tad weird in that regard14:37
teotwakiwell, it's really useful these days14:37
teotwakiEspecially if you're a dev who uses autoconf/autotools.14:38
DocScrutinizer05I've seen systems where it linked back to a dir on "local" HDD, from the volume mounted under /usr14:38
DocScrutinizer05keep in mind that /usr is meant to possibly *share* it between several machines14:39
DocScrutinizer05while /usr/local is... well, _local_14:39
HurrianPoettering? /usr? Are we discussing systemd?14:40
teotwakithese days, /usr/local is mostly a directory that is left unscathed by the system's package manager.14:40
DocScrutinizer05"these days" is no applicable term for basing general architecture decisions on it, usually14:40
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DocScrutinizer05"these days" we got a (maemo N900) system that in many respects looks like a PC of 1995, or a minicomputer of 1980, regarding partition sizes and resources in general14:42
Hurrianimo, it was weird for systemd to not support mounting /usr, as many people put usr on some compressed filesystem of sorts on embedded systems14:42
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DocScrutinizer05but Poettering - with systemd - deliberately defined systems like N900 as "not supported nowadays by linux anymore"14:44
DocScrutinizer05what a brainfuck14:44
Hurrianwhy depend on /usr crap, I don't know. systemd IS a "under the hood" program, therefore it should be allowed to store crap in /bin14:44
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Hurrianoh, right, systemd config files.14:45
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Hurrianwait, wait, why are systemd config files in /usr/lib?14:46
Hurriansomeone remind me why Poettering opted not to store them in /etc14:47
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aklsbut how can I install one of these images?17:25
aklscan I simply extract it, then use resize2fs <image-file-name.img.ext3> 3072M and then simply put it on my n900?17:26
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DocScrutinizer05akls: you're aware that's for *meego* *HARMATTAN*?17:34
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aklsDocScrutinizer05, so it's not going to work on maemo?17:41
aklsis there a wheezy image for maemo? :\17:43
aklsthat's the image for maemo17:46
aklsit's exactly the same17:46
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DocScrutinizer05please never quote URLs here (or anywhere else) - there's for that17:55
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entitledI'm having problems with kp51 and thumb... installed the thumb2 compiled decoders and extra decoders support 0.4...  gstreamer0.10-flv/mkv...deb didn't get installed (broken pipe, overwrite failed) which blocked me from installing anything else18:02
entitledused dpkg with --force-overwrite18:03
kerioentitled: why the hell did you do that18:04
entitledno idea18:04
entitledthought the thumb2 one didn't have all of the codecs18:04
entitledlibmpcdec3/musepack/decoder-support now give dependancy problems18:05
entitledI suppose reflash is only easy way out of this? and next time only install the thumb2 decodecs?18:06
kerioentitled: to be fair you shouldn't get dependency problems18:07
keriounless those problems also existed outside of cssu-thumb18:08
keriothere's no such thing as "thumb2 codecs"18:08
keriofreemangordon: you know more than me about cssu-thumb *and* codecs18:08
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RST38hI am sure there is a thumb2 decoder inside the cortex core =)18:10
entitledI meant the codec pack compiled for thumb, gstreamer O.1018:10
* RST38h cackles18:10
ShadowJKfreemangordon; yeah i dont think ioscheduler matters much for any swap18:14
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aklseasy debian orientation button is wrong :DDD20:20
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vi__DocScrutinizer51: ping20:31
DocScrutinizer05vi__: pong20:32
vi__DocScrutinizer05: am I correct in thinking you use sipgate account on the n900?20:32
DocScrutinizer05on N900, N810, N950, and N920:33
DocScrutinizer05fun when inbound call20:33
DocScrutinizer05actually even on two N90020:33
vi__oh, they all go off at once!20:34
vi__I cannot get mine to work at all.20:34
DocScrutinizer05since all UAs start to ring, and when you pick up the call on one, it's logged as "missed call" on all the others20:34
vi__can I confirm the settings with you.20:34
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DocScrutinizer05what's your registrar?20:35
vi__address is:
DocScrutinizer05err sipgate, nm20:35
vi__you can confirm this is the correct format?20:36
DocScrutinizer05mine is 6 digits, but...20:36
vi__maybe you are older user.20:37
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DocScrutinizer05extended settings: "use for phonecalls", "transport: auto", no proxy, "port: 5060", "[X] autodetect public IP", "[X]  loose routing", "keepalive: auto", "keepalive period: auto", "[X] auto stun detect"20:39
DocScrutinizer05NO proxy, NO display name20:40
DocScrutinizer05not even dare to edit display name, you can't ever delete it20:40
DocScrutinizer05err, username20:40
DocScrutinizer05well, it's the same20:40
DocScrutinizer05scratch that, I can't count - my account as well has 7 digits20:42
DocScrutinizer05maybe enabled loose-routing is not correct20:45
DocScrutinizer05vi__: you're using it over a WLAN-router?20:45
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vi__wtf disconnected20:49
vi__DocScrutinizer51: did you receive my ty?20:49
DocScrutinizer05did you receive my lengthy config listing?20:49
vi__did you hear my gratuitous cursing?20:49
vi__WELL FUCK ME.20:49
vi__tmobile uk are blocking sip ports.20:50
DocScrutinizer05try port 507020:50
vi__DocScrutinizer05: ty for your help.20:50
vi__I look forward to the day I get to buy you a 568ml fermented hops beverage.20:50
jacekowskivi__: old news20:52
jacekowskivi__: and it's not sip port20:52
jacekowskiit's dpi20:52
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jacekowskideep packet inspection20:52
jacekowskias in, you can have sip going over 80 and it will still be blocked20:53
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DocScrutinizer05fucktards, I'll use SIPS then20:53
vi__jacekowski: how to gypsy spi?20:53
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DocScrutinizer05hail O220:53
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vi__o2 allow this?20:53
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vi__so no ssh proxy tunnel to my home connection?20:54
DocScrutinizer05should work20:54
jacekowskiyou can do it over ssh or something20:54
jacekowskibut that's going to increase latencies20:54
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DocScrutinizer05not that bad20:54
vi__what a ballache20:55
DocScrutinizer05actually for a phonecall latencies up to 1000ms are kinda tolerable20:55
vi__FU tmobile20:55
vi__fucking spacker squad20:55
vi__so I have this unlimited data, but it does not matter as I cannot use it for anything but hardcare pornography and facebook videos.20:56
DocScrutinizer05I admit I usually do no SIP calls via GPRS anyway20:57
vi__do you know if three mobile block sip?20:57
vi__DocScrutinizer05: true, but I still want the choice!20:57
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DocScrutinizer05try VPN20:59
DocScrutinizer05or ssh-tunnel20:59
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DocScrutinizer05or really try port 5070, I'm not buying the DSPI just like that21:00
DocScrutinizer05you might also try Transport:TLS21:01
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DocScrutinizer05odds are they don't get that21:01
DocScrutinizer05more odd odds are sipgate supports it maybe21:02
DocScrutinizer05seems they don't21:03
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vi__bah more irssi fail21:22
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: we should get backupmenu working from inside rescueos22:40
DocScrutinizer05I don't see the problem with that22:40
kerioby "we" i mean robbiethe1st22:40
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, a nice packaged solution would be convenient22:40
kerioand/or $thedudethatmaderescueOS22:41
kerioNIN101: *poke*22:41
kerioDocScrutinizer05: when is the swap between mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 done?22:43
DocScrutinizer05udev does IIRC22:44
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NIN101sorry, I am too lazy :-)22:49
kerioNIN101: noooo :c22:49
kerioNIN101: btw, rescueOS is neat22:50
kerioyou know how it could be neater?22:51
kerioif it had some kind of menu to do backups22:51
NIN101well I mean I pretty much lost interest in it. If anyone of you can do the required changes, I can integrate them or so.22:54
kerioNIN101: which shell does it use, btw?22:55
keriois it busybox?22:55
NIN101it uses busybox, but user shell is bash22:56
DocScrutinizer05NIN101: kerio: since rescueOS is, well... rescueOS it doesn't need a special menu for backupmenu. What I wanna say is maemo roofs isn't mounted resp not 'in use' when you're running rescueOS. You simply untar the backupmenu image to where it belongs22:59
FIQoh god22:59
keriomeh, good point22:59
DocScrutinizer05oh who?22:59
keriohaving a whole chroot jail for backupmenu seems wasteful though22:59
NIN101indeed, you could remove much of the code if you put it on rescueos23:00
FIQI found out the hard way that gpSP creates a completly unmentioned (in the wiki article) directory during install containing pretty "critical" stuff (game configs) that makes some games run better, that the emulator doesn't read because it's placed wrong... lol23:01
DocScrutinizer05NIN101: you can remove *all* of the code, simply use tar to untar the backup-image23:01
NIN101I know, but I thought you somebody wanted a fancy menu :P23:02
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i'm mostly talking about the cute fancy menu, yes23:02
DocScrutinizer05buold a gui frontend to tar then23:03
DocScrutinizer05done, next!23:03
Lava_CroftIn case there's any people here who know their Planescape: Torment23:03
Lava_Croft(if you dont, read it anyway)23:04
kerioDocScrutinizer05: we already have a frontend to tar!23:07
kerioit's called backupmenu!23:07
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DocScrutinizer05I also have a frontend to tar, mine is called bash   XP23:17
kerioMicrosoft Bash XP23:17
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* DocScrutinizer05 curses vnc, for not working like it should23:36
Lava_Crofthave a puff and feel less need to curse at software!23:37
DocScrutinizer05I seem to be able to get a real remote cursor, but on a completely black remote screen23:37
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