IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-10-23

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DocScrutinizer51221241 <kerio> only rdmode)) nope, also a lot of more special flags, parameters for r&d mode00:14
keriothat's kinda what i meant00:14
keriobut yeah, rdmode and the various flags for rdmode00:16
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aklsDocScrutinizer05, was that "eh" directed to me?00:21
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vi__.well shit00:29
vi__I have just increased my n900 collection by 200%00:29
vi__I am going to make a megalodon BEAST battery.00:30
vi__all fitting into a mugen cover.00:30
vi__I shit you not.00:31
keriowith one battery in the slot and two sideways?00:31
vi__that wouldnt fit anyways.00:32
vi__unless maybe you took the pcb of the sideways batterys...00:32
vi__I was thinking samsung galaxy s3 cell+bl-5j.00:33
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aklsCMUS is working on n90000:47
aklsso maybe I should just stick to cmus instead of moc?00:47
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aklsbut cmus developer is an asshole anyway... all shortcuts were chosen by random symbol generator?00:48
aklsor are they associated somehow with vim commands...?00:48
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aklsJaded, ahem! :)01:02
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aklsyea, cmus takes about 35% at 250 MHz01:08
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aklswhich looks like even lower than with integrated media player01:10
aklsI like this channel01:11
aklsit's so good to talk to myself here01:11
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rzrno need for internet then01:12
SpeedEvilpulseaudios usage is unfortunate01:14
SpeedEvilat low CPU freqs01:15
kerioPA sucks01:15
SpeedEvilI mean to see if the DMA unit could feed the DAC when the CPU was asleep, bit never got round to it.01:15
SpeedEvildecode 10s to raw, pass it off to DMA, go to sleep01:16
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lucas_Hi, does anyone know if the X server of the N9 supports rotation?01:52
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ShadowJKSpeedEvil; i suspect that's why the ffmpeg/libav vorbis/mp3 decoders have better battery life04:45
SpeedEvildoubt it04:47
SpeedEvilit would need explicit support through the driver stack.04:48
ShadowJKit might be difference of 1ms vs 10ms, say04:49
SpeedEvilI mean actually put most of the CPU to sleep, leaving only DMA +ram up.04:50
ShadowJKyeah I think it only went down to C304:51
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SpeedEvilI have been womderng about that on the n7 too. lack of processor docs is .... grr04:52
* ShadowJK remembers his old isa soundcard04:54
ShadowJKafter pc utterly crashed, music still played in a 30s loop04:54
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robbiethe1stMy Audigy 2ZS has done that, but it's a much shorter loop04:59
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r00t|homemost soundcards can do that... keep playing the last buffer if no new one is provided... back to isa soundblasters...05:21
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r00t|homeah, he was talking about one even05:22
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aklsjade, hey!!!13:35
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aklscan somebody help me logging in to ? :\13:39
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iluminator105how do enable motion detection with n900 camera14:14
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DocScrutinizer51find a nice foss linux package doing that on generic v4l2 devices, and port to maemo14:15
DocScrutinizer51if nobody else already did14:15
iluminator105also how do enable the camera to record until space is full or record first record first erase video14:17
iluminator105newer version of the camera only record for 36 minutes old one did 75 minutes strange14:18
DocScrutinizer51related to 2GB max filesize on FAT maybe?14:19
iluminator105but still you can keep recording in segments though14:20
jaskafat32? its 4gb - 1 byte max :)14:21
DocScrutinizer51I doubt a gstreamer pipe like used for cam can do that14:21
jaskaprolly needs a circular writer made for it14:21
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DocScrutinizer51jaska: then why end all my logs and media files I record at 2GB?14:21
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iluminator105well then camera flash pics with motion detection14:22
jaskano idea, maybe they thought it was a good idea to stop at 2g :|14:22
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DocScrutinizer51no, I think your claim about max filesize on FAT is incorrect14:24
jaskavery well, i'll prove myself right then <.<14:24
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aklsit's 4gb14:27
aklsfor sure14:27
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aklsis it ok that my volume keys are not working when calling?14:27
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jaska /dev/loop0             6279168         4   6279164   1% /mnt14:28
jaska /dev/loop0 on /mnt type vfat (rw)14:28
jaska dd if=/dev/zero of=foofile bs=1024k14:29
jaskadd: writing `foofile': File too large14:29
jaska4294967295 bytes (4,3 GB) copied, 39,0689 s, 110 MB/s14:29
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DocScrutinizer51peeps, RGB are 32bit in byte, but maybe linux is using a signed 32bit for the file related function calls (you know, negative return = error)14:30
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jaskawell, dd is showing decimalgb i guess14:31
DocScrutinizer51so that makes 1bit less, aka 31bit, aka 2GB14:31
jaskabut 4294967295 = 2^32-114:31
jaskanot 2^3114:31
DocScrutinizer51so what?14:32
jaskathat the max file size is what i said14:32
jaskanot 2g14:32
DocScrutinizer51thanls for confirming14:32
DocScrutinizer5131bit = 2GB14:32
DocScrutinizer51bit 32 is sign14:32
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DocScrutinizer51int32 filesize() can return up to 2GB size, or error (=negative return value)14:35
jaskawell. some crappy software might do that, and linux before large file support14:36
DocScrutinizer06that's why maemo does that14:40
DocScrutinizer06since for sure they haven't thought about including 64bit file subsystem to a embedded device14:40
DocScrutinizer06and nobody doubts camera and audiorecorder are crappy software ;-P14:41
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jaskai wonder if watchdog will hit me if i write 4gb on a microsd on the phone <.<14:41
DocScrutinizer06after all, what could they gain with 64boit support? another one bit in filesize, since FAT can't handle >4GB anyway14:42
iluminator105hmmm bbl14:42
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jaskalets see if it reboots before it writes 0xffffffff bytes14:42
aklsjade, hey :\14:42
DocScrutinizer06jaska: eh?14:43
jaskai know .avi cant go past 2gb.. atleast standard14:43
ketaswhat kind of i386 cpu can quad core 1.4ghz arm cortex a9 compares to?14:43
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ShadowJKa hypothetical 1ghz atom?14:45
jaskahmm, display turned off, not responding to slider or kbd <.<14:46
jaskabacklight is on tho14:46
jaskaah, now it reacted14:46
Hurrian_ShadowJK, 1GHz atom of 200814:49
ketashahaha, apparently some phones contain barometer14:50
ketaswhat next :)14:50
Hurrian_atomic timesource.14:50
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ketasreally impressive devices nowadays14:51
ketashow about calling14:52
Hurrianthe N900 makes calls?14:52
Hurrianwho knew?14:52
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Gh0styanyone ideas how I could get back the status led and keyboard background light on my N90014:54
Gh0stynoticed a couple of days ago it's gone again14:54
Gh0stytried the classic trick of turning it off, removing battery, re-attach battery14:54
Gh0stybut no use14:54
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HurrianGh0sty, are you in R&D mode?14:54
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Gh0styhow do i know that?14:56
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ketaslike... 4g, 3g, 2g, wifi 11abgn 2.4+5ghz, fm radio, gps+glonass, bt, nfc, usb+mhl, accelerometer, gyroscope, compass, barometer... yea, impressive feature count nowadays14:57
ketassomehow, temperature sensor seems to be gone?14:57
HurrianGh0sty, if you don't know RD mode, you don't have it14:57
ketasfound in some phones14:57
Hurrianketas, temp sensing is only for on-die or on-battery14:58
Gh0stysome sites said leave the battery out longer14:58
Gh0styothers said that you need to plug in the charger when the battery is out ...14:58
ketasHurrian: well, but you can read it out, right?14:58
Gh0stytried that too but didnt reset it it seems14:58
Gh0stywhen I plug in the adapter without battery the status led lights up orange bright briefly14:58
Hurrianmaybe mce is frigged14:59
Gh0styleft out the battery for a whole night even just to test but ... no go :(14:59
jacekowskiketas: all those are integrated into single ubga chips that take up maybe 1mm^2 on pcb14:59
ketasHurrian: last phone i remember had actual temp sensor was some old nokia14:59
jacekowskiketas: each one of those*14:59
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ketasjacekowski: bt in 1mm2?15:00
ketaswe aren't THAT good, last time i checked15:00
ketasi wonder about if one can just make one chip15:03
ketastogether with plasma antenna on chip15:03
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ketasshielding can be pita i guess15:04
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aklsIf I move my usb connector just a little bit it says "Disconnected". is it ok or should I start worrying about my usb port falling off?15:08
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* ShadowJK 'd worry15:09
ketasakls: is usb port loose?15:10
ketasakls: use something like toothpick to poke it15:10
aklsketas, hmm, no15:11
ketasstrange if it has intermittent contact15:12
ketastry other cables15:12
ketasloose microusb port on pcb can be really hard to fix15:12
aklsknow what :O15:13
aklsnow it works OK15:13
aklsmaybe I have scared the shit out of it?15:13
ketasdid you threatened to hit it with hammer15:14
ketasmeh, death threats to phone15:15
ketasdo you feel it vibrating from fear?15:15
ketas"omg, i'm going to die..."15:15
aklswell, this device is smarter than I thought15:15
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ketassomeone commented that barometer might help with gps15:17
ketaswell, true15:17
vi_where the F is that FMG?15:21
aklsand still, why am I unable to login to ? -____-15:22
deepyanyone remember who did translations hereish?15:23
aklsI can login in but can't on maemo.org15:27
aklsor is there something I don't understand?15:30
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chem|stakls: how old is your account15:35
aklschem|st, 3 days15:35
chem|stakls: seems the login-distribution script is hung or so...15:36
chem|stX-Fade: are you still looking after that stuff?15:37
vi_akls garage and talk use differnt log ins15:37
vi_you have to create seperate accounts for each.15:37
chem|stakls: ah yes to mention is not maemo.org15:37
aklsbut when I press "register" at it redirects me to garage.maemo.org15:38
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chem|stakls: yes is from, we just wanted clarification that you are not trying to logon to talk.m.o15:40
chem|stakls: then you have to wait for someone recognizing and fixing the cronjob15:41
aklswell, I'm trying to login at
aklsand it says nothing15:43
aklsthe password is correct, I can login at garage.maemo.org15:43
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chem|stakls: have you cleared your cache? cookies etc?15:53
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ShadowJKiirc some parts of the website are buggy in https, and other way around16:01
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ShadowJKthe ackage voting comes to mind, I have to edit URLs to get that to work16:02
jaskahmm, watchdog interrupted my dd :(16:04
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aklsjaska, have you tried one of these tweaks?
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aklschem|st, yep16:14
aklschem|st, still doesn't work16:16
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chem|stakls: then you have to wait...16:24
DocScrutinizer51ohyeah login annoynces. Nokia and meego been best, nothing but FF with *absolute* default config re cookie handling worked16:32
DocScrutinizer51wazzup with infobot?16:34
DocScrutinizer51povbot: seen infobot16:40
povbotDocScrutinizer51: infobot was last seen in #maemo 16 hours, 59 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <infobot> Yipee!16:40
DocScrutinizer51ssh reboot time16:41
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vi_who here has a mugen n900 cover and a micrometer?16:46
jaskaformer but not the latter16:46
vi_a high quality ruler?16:46
jaskadont think so :|16:46
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vi_A calibrated piece of string?16:47
vi_I am trying to determine the internal dimensions of the cover.16:47
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jaskamight have a vernier caliper at home.. but not here16:50
aklsvi_, are you the guy with 3 batteries?16:54
vi_akls: I am not sure what you mean.16:55
vi_I am intending on making a monstrosity battery for those times I need more beef.16:55
aklsThere was a member on the forum with 3 batteries connected to n90016:55
aklsor something like that..16:56
vi_But before I order any cells I need to determine the physical constraints of the big cover,16:56
DocScrutinizer06haha, the 3 pcs 1645016:56
vi_]Yeah I saw that.16:56
vi_It looked badly made and frankly, dangerous to the user and spectators alike.16:56
aklsjade, :|16:57
DocScrutinizer06it looked like a too small bomb with too huge timer16:57
vi_DocScrutinizer06: do you mean 16340?16:57
DocScrutinizer06it been 340?16:57
DocScrutinizer06thought he used 1645016:58
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vi_why are 18650 called 18650?16:59
vi_surely it should be called 1865?16:59
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DocScrutinizer0618mm diameter, 650mm length16:59
vi_650mm battery.17:00
DocScrutinizer06nfc, prolly the length is 01mm unit17:00
DocScrutinizer06as in CR253317:00
vi_then why is it not 180650?17:00
ShadowJK0 at end for round17:00
DocScrutinizer06ShadowJK for president17:01
DocScrutinizer06CR2032 anyway is 20mm dia, 3.2mm 'length'17:02
ShadowJKalthough wikipedia says millimeters and tenths of millimeters17:03
DocScrutinizer06now for friggin lazy infobot...17:03
vi_would it be an 1865.17:03
vi_for a square one.17:03
vi_cmd does not support real characters.17:03
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DocScrutinizer06whatever that means17:04
vi_the thing I love most about 18650s are the fact that ther seem to vary in legth +/- 5mm around 65mm.17:07
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DocScrutinizer06infobot: wb17:08
infobotIt's great to be back!17:08
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ShadowJKProtected cells made from 18650 often are still called 18650 despite that adding an extra wire from end to end, and adding a circuit at the bottom and/or a buttin/nipple at the top will have made it larger17:11
ShadowJKGetting a 18600 made costs a helluva lot more for small batches17:12
ShadowJKand factories that will do it are few :)17:12
DocScrutinizer05it's useless anyway17:13
DocScrutinizer05it's even nice the protected ones are longer - you can make holders so unprotected ones don't even contact17:14
vi_I have some here that are 17.3mm17:14
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DocScrutinizer050.8mm for ptotection circuit isn't insane17:15
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DocScrutinizer05or rather, it *is* - insanely thin17:16
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DocScrutinizer05it's not like there's any 'unused space' in the next to perfect cylinders of bare bones 1865017:18
ShadowJKIt's pretty amazing they dont break used in 3 cell flashlights17:18
DocScrutinizer05...where you could put that protection circuit and still keep outer dimensions17:18
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vi_did I say 17.3?17:19
ShadowJKOddly nobody does that17:19
vi_I meant 73mm17:19
vi_73mm long.17:19
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DocScrutinizer05and I read 7.3cm :-P17:20
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DocScrutinizer05time for COFFEE17:20
ShadowJKOn the other hand they often run on many different combinations17:21
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vi_DocScrutinizer05: too right, I may join you.17:21
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DocScrutinizer05let's move the last 15 lines here to "the WTF IRC nonsense of the week" and forget it ;-P17:22
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* ShadowJK destroyed a lipo yesterday17:25
ShadowJKDoing a very slow 40-hour charge on it17:25
DocScrutinizer05but generally just the steel bottom and knob top make a cylindrical cell ~5mm longer than bare bones cell17:25
ShadowJKif it keeps voltage maybe I'll put it on ebay lol17:25
DocScrutinizer05been the case since ther been NiCad AAA17:26
ShadowJKNimh/nicad seem to typically be on the thicker side17:27
DocScrutinizer05the friggin standrad 'capped' cells never did fit into the multicell packs you found in cellphones/whatever17:27
ShadowJKbut still within the tolerances allowed17:27
DocScrutinizer05I recall dremeling off the knob just so often, to repair a dead pack17:28
vi_BRB_COFFEEShadowJK: That would be unethical,17:29
ShadowJKvi_BRB_COFFEE; what, selling a potentially damaged battery? That's what ebay is for, and what every battery on there is ;p17:29
laxsillHey guys. I've had a lot of trouble with the Mail for Exchange. I've tried google solutions and some solutions from the forum. But I always get the error "Error in communication with Exchange server". I've tried syncing in both usual Maemo and CSSU (latest editions). Anyone got pointers or ideas?17:31
laxsill(Email sync often works, but never calendar or contacts)17:31
DocScrutinizer05sell as "3.7V 1.800mAh" ;-P17:31
ShadowJKThis was a 11.1V 4400 mAh pack :)17:32
DocScrutinizer05then make that 11.0V 4.400mAh17:32
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DocScrutinizer05or 4400µAh17:34
vi_dang, someone put a fish in the perculator.17:34
deepyWhy would they do that?17:34
deepywas it fresh?17:35
deepyWas it alive?17:35
DocScrutinizer05wtf is a perculator?17:35
deepyIs it addicted to coffee now?17:35
vi_laxsill: What mfe server are you trying to connect to?17:35
DocScrutinizer05~dict perculator17:35
infobotcould not find definition for perculator17:35
vi_~dict percolator.17:36
infobotDictionary 'percolator.' (1 of 2): \Per"co*la`tor\, n. 1. One who, or that which, filters. "[Tissues] act as percolators." --Henfrey. [1913 Webster] 2. A type of coffee pot in which the heated water is driven by its boiling action up above a porous canister of coffee held above the level of the water in the pot, and then filters (percolates) back through the coffee thus extracting its essence. [Webster 1913 Suppl. +PJC] 3. (Pharmacy) An apparatus ...17:36
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DocScrutinizer05well, I heard of preparing meals in the dish washer17:36
deepyWhat! XD17:37
DocScrutinizer05but never of boiling a fish in a percolator17:37
deepyI only heard of running alcohol in teh dishwasher17:37
DocScrutinizer05might work as well though17:37
DocScrutinizer05oooh, alc, that sounds dangerous17:37
DocScrutinizer05you seen that @mythbusters?17:38
merlin1991nah that's alc in a microwave ;)17:38
laxsillvi_: Google.17:39
laxsillvi_: I'm trying to synd my gmail, google calendar and google contacts to my phone.17:39
DocScrutinizer05I don't think that ever worked17:39
deepyDocScrutinizer05: I think it was for the heat_17:39
laxsillvi_: Any ideas?17:41
DocScrutinizer05laxsill: I don't think that ever worked17:41
DocScrutinizer05dunno for sure though17:42
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DocScrutinizer05or maybe it once worked but google broke the API17:43
DocScrutinizer05seems I recall discussions about bi-weekly appointments in calendar17:43
DocScrutinizer05some 2..3 years ago17:44
DocScrutinizer05ask Mohammad-17:45
DocScrutinizer05if he's still alive :-o17:46
DocScrutinizer05~seen mohammadAG17:46
infobotmohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 45d 21h 26m 49s ago, saying: 'will put up an example app'.17:46
vi_I guess he never put up that example app.17:47
vi_They say, in the end it was the example apps that got him.17:47
vi_Such is a life wasted on example apps, we shall not understand.17:47
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if Mohammad-'s life at his new location and with university became such interesting or such tough that he muffled completely17:49
DocScrutinizer05~seen Mohammad-17:49
infoboti haven't seen 'mohammad-', DocScrutinizer0517:49
DocScrutinizer05means he didn't post a single word17:50
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merlin1991~seen MohammadAG17:53
infobotmohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 45d 21h 34m 8s ago, saying: 'will put up an example app'.17:53
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vi_laxsill: I do not think calander works.17:55
vi_only contacts and email.17:55
vi_and even then it is sketchy.17:56
vi_Blame google for not using proper standards.17:56
vi_shower of bastards.17:56
laxsillvi_and DocScrutinizer05: Thanks :-/17:58
vi_laxsill: have you considered using syncml for calander?17:59
vi_Or even a middleman like memotoo?18:00
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vi_he has gone.18:03
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merlin1991any tweego users in here?19:07
DocScrutinizer05what's tweego?19:09
DocScrutinizer05meego based backseat entertainment system in twingo?19:10
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: it's a twitter client19:18
merlin1991for maemo19:18
merlin1991formerly named twingo19:18
DocScrutinizer05hah, funny19:19
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DocScrutinizer05did Renault ask for the name change?19:19
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ShadowJKhm, that's second time in 2 weeks that sgx has hung on my main N900 :/19:30
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SpeedEvil:-) :-\19:34
vi_How do I open a file from the shell like I would do so from the file manager?19:34
vi_That is, how do I invoke the mime type handler from the shell?19:34
vi_for example I have calendar.ics.19:34
vi_If I open it from osso-file manager it will recognise the type and ask if I would like to import it to the local calendar.19:35
vi_How do I do this from the shell?19:35
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Skryvi_: xdg-open file.ext19:37
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Skrythats how it should be done, no idea if it works in maemo19:38
vi_well, there is no xdg-open program.19:41
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Skryoh the surprise19:44
Skryhmm, looks like there is xdg-utils for diablo19:46
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Skryand it also exists for harmattan19:50
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jogadoes someone know a simple arbitrary binary data visualization tool, that would basically give me a bitmap of the data and even allow zooming in the hex values or so and stretch it around etc, I basically want the same thing gimp does if you open a file as "Raw image data" but preferably with some hex editor features20:04
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jogahexplorer seems to do something like that..20:37
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internetishardmy geek ego can no longer handle my non-geek friends with iphone5s and android- galaxy's making fun of my n900. :(21:24
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Skryignore and/or change friends. easy.21:25
* ShadowJK thought it was normal that geeks/nerds were made fun of21:26
aklsinternetishard, what do you mean by "making fun" ?21:28
aklsI'm making fun of my android&iphone friends21:28
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aklsespecially when I show them my physical keyboard21:29
aklsand say that it has 32gb too21:29
aklsand it is from 200921:29
aklsand costed me only 75€ from hands with just a little scratch.21:29
aklsthey look at it and tell me "fuck, I've bought my phone for 500€ and it has 32 gb too and no keyboard"21:30
raccoon_and you dont have to break the EULA to get access to a terminal prompt.21:30
aklsand that moment they start to understand that something is wrong in their life21:30
raccoon_or "install what you please", rather21:30
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aklsinternetishard, there was a nice thread about it21:47
internetishardThanks :)21:52
internetishard"change friends" -> you guys :P21:52
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Skryaawww :>21:57
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entitledhas anyone had problems with their 2g/3g connection while using thumb+pk51?22:08
aklsjade, where are you! I hate you!!22:08
entitledmine loses the whole network (bars disappear and immediately appear) especially when the phone has been untouched for awhile and I start type something22:09
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entitledI lose my connection to the shell but might get some commands/characters through before it happens22:10
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DocScrutinizer05entitled: immediately flash standard stock maemo1.322:45
DocScrutinizer05then check22:45
keriowhat do you mean you lose connection to the shell? D:22:45
kerioyou botched the kernel22:45
DocScrutinizer05without installing anything else beyond virgin maemo1.322:45
DocScrutinizer05kerio: let's hope it's just that22:46
DocScrutinizer05I'd get something to bitch about, and we wouldn't lose another N90022:46
* DocScrutinizer05 shouldn't IRC while watching House ;-P22:46
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i have a working n900 (apart for the usb port) that's just sitting in a box22:47
keriosometimes i open the box and laugh at it22:47
kerioha ha22:47
entitledI mean irc shell22:47
DocScrutinizer05entitled: you mean GPRS/modem/GSM22:47
keriothen your phonet might be fucked up22:48
DocScrutinizer05kerio: see what I said22:48
kerioinstall backupmenu, make a full backup, reflash *all* the software! _ò/, then test22:48
entitlednothing to backup yet22:48
entitledI'll do it tomorrow and check22:49
keriodo it now! :c22:49
kerioor we won't be able to fall asleep22:49
keriobecause we'll be so worried22:50
entitledI did drop this once (lightly) and it lost the sim card22:50
entitledthe other n900 has survived far worse22:50
DocScrutinizer05kerio: if user says he does it tomorrow, you should be happy he's not telling you to STFU22:50
entitledI do appreciate all the help I'm getting22:50
kerioDocScrutinizer05: but i'll be happier if he falls to the pressure :D22:50
entitledjust wanted to know if that issue is a "feature" or not22:51
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entitledthank god I saved the application list this time with fas22:51
kerioentitled: if it's actually a hardware problem, then i'm afraid it's a common problem22:51
DocScrutinizer05it's for sure not a feature, nor a known issue of thumb22:51
DocScrutinizer05yeah, what kerio said22:52
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entitledfunny how it happens when I usually press some key after absence22:52
keriothat could just be the connection timing out22:52
kerioentitled: try different keys22:53
kerio(yes, it could make a difference)22:53
entitledfor real?22:53
kerioif it's a hardware problem, it's a problem with some soldering22:53
entitledwell I do the flash, maybe switch the sim for a while and rule out other possibilities22:53
keriowhich could show up if you push on some part instead of some other22:53
keriograbbing a new sim is also a good thing to test, yes22:54
entitledgjuikfrdteopaslqpwföäcaxqdfkleakxrvb .öcpfävb.akripasdeqwöcpfäakxtÄpse22:55
* entitled is bending his n90022:55
kerioyeah, don't do that :s22:55
entitledbanging, pressing different keys hard etc doesen't seem to do nothing bad :p22:56
kerioit could still be busted, but it could also be a problem with your sim or your operator22:56
entitledmight as well be the service provider, prepaid sim. didn't active22:57
entitledthe monthly internet22:57
entitledat least few years ago, when the credit was running low on the phone, it started disconnecting randomly22:57
entitled*on the sim22:57
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entitledbut that was back in the day with old S40 nokia and could have been something else too22:58
entitledbut yeah, different sim, monthly payment, reflash, etc should tell what's the situation22:59
DocScrutinizer05entitled: how long is the connectivity dropout?23:04
DocScrutinizer05does it drop connection but instantly recover?23:04
DocScrutinizer05or does it stay offline for some time or even until reboot or whatever23:05
keriohrmpf, doesn't QT use xkb like everything else?23:05
entitledinstantly recovers23:05
entitledbut still I get cut off23:05
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keriomy shift+fn+key combos don't work and the hold-key-to-sym nonsense is there, in yappari23:05
DocScrutinizer05that sounds like a carrier problem then, most likely23:05
entitledif I lose connection momentarily in a train, even if it's a longer one I son't get dropped off23:06
kerioand the developer said that he only used the standard-issue QT input box23:06
DocScrutinizer05more precisely, a problem with DHCP23:06
trxkerio yes, qt does not support xkb layouts23:06
keriotrx: what the fucking fuck23:06
trxbut i checked that a while ago23:06
trxmaybe it does in never versions23:06
DocScrutinizer05entitled: first try a different carrier/SIM23:07
trxkerio if you find some work arrounds, please let me know23:08
trxmy english is bad today :(23:08
DocScrutinizer05of course a complete modem reset might cause exactly same symthoms23:08
DocScrutinizer05entitled: thus please (install ksyslogd and) check syslog23:09
entitled(haven't had problems with this carrier on my other n900, but it might be due to the SIM or the fact I don't have monthly data subscription)23:09
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: what the hell is wrong with QT? :s23:10
keriowhy did they decide to reinvent xkb?23:10
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kerioi'm angry!23:12
kerioi want to blame someone!23:12
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Cor-Aikerio: im here if you need a nick to blame :P23:13
kerioCor-Ai: it's all your fault!23:14
Cor-Aikerio: sorry :/23:14
kerioaww, it's ok c:23:14
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Cor-Aifeeling better now?23:14
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kerioi still can't type accented letters in yappari :(23:15
kerioand i still can't hold-to-repeat-key23:15
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entitledok i've switched the sims between the phones23:31
entitledinitially the problem seems to persist23:31
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entitledat first it didn't want to find the sim and then it lost the sim when I switched from 2g to 3g23:32
entitledsometimes going offline remedies that?23:32
entitledafter boot or two, I can switch between 2g and 3g23:32
entitledthe sim card icon might flash few times before it works, not sure if it ever did that before or not23:33
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entitledsysklogd is running23:33
entitledI'll see if I catch the problem in action23:33
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DocScrutinizer05SIM not detected is the precise (though in fact incorrect) description of the hw problem23:50
DocScrutinizer05to reset modem, you might need a complete power-down, not a straight reboot23:51
DocScrutinizer05I had a moden fsckup just yesterday (it refused to do any data connectivity on 2G - switching back and forth between 2G and 3G didn't help, neither did airplane mode and back to online)23:52
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DocScrutinizer05I already been ready to blame my carrier the hard way, when I recalled I seemed to have seen saem thing a year ago, when I thought my carrier fsckd his 2G service for days, until I finally booted - not before I entered a shop and shouted a bit at them, about why there's no known out-of-order report known regarding that23:54
DocScrutinizer05so this time I thought "meh, it's just a boot" and actually, it was just a boot that's been needed23:55
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DocScrutinizer05all hail to TCP stack implemented in modem, on GPRS23:55
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