IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-10-01

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kerioah fuck00:11
keriofreemangordon: your fucking extkbd fucked up my layout00:11
keriois rx-51 actually used by the bt keyboard?00:14
kerioi restored it now00:14
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DocScrutinizer053 times is probably too much, even for me00:22
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vi__freemangordon: ping00:27
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MrOppositeHow do I allow microb (or webpages) to access my GPS?00:34
SpeedEvilI vaguely remember something inatallable00:34
SpeedEvilsearch location. in ham00:34
MrOppositeSome time ago I got the question if I wanted to allow a certain site to use the GPS when I navigated to it00:34
MrOppositeBut that site changed design, and it's now a javascripted button, which gives me an error message saying permission denied00:35
MrOppositeSpeedEvil ham?00:35
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SpeedEvilhildon application manager00:37
MrOppositeah, that slow thing :P00:38
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MrOppositeI mainly use the terminal for package installation...00:38
SpeedEvilwell apt-cache death location00:40
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SpeedEvilsearch, not death00:40
vi__search repos for microb geolocation00:41
vi__I have NFC as to how it actually does it though.00:41
MrOppositeyea I did00:42
MrOppositeLooking at the microb-geolocation package atm00:42
MrOppositeTrying to figure out whenever it's IP based or GPS based00:42
vi__obviously it is GPS based but how??00:43
DocScrutinizer51liblocation based00:43
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DocScrutinizer51search wiki for liblocation00:44
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DocScrutinizer51liblocation0 and maemo-geolocation, I'd guess00:46
DocScrutinizer51liblocation does at least GPS based rough location, GPS and AGPS00:48
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: liblocation does at least GSM based rough location, GPS and AGPS00:48
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DocScrutinizer51it's unclear if it does wifi location as well, ala skyhook00:49
DocScrutinizer51we're all *very* happy it's another piece of software put by okia into FOSS... *NOT*00:50
MrOppositeI take it is the super-mega-awesome geolocation extension for microb I need00:53
MrOppositeand had installed00:53
MrOppositenow to the fun part00:53
MrOppositewhere do I manage it's permissions?00:53
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MrOppositehorray for easily cofigurable free software!00:54
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DocScrutinizer51what's free in this POS?00:55
DocScrutinizer51webkit engine?00:55
vi__you are free to GTFO.00:55
vi__accordingm to nokia.00:55
DocScrutinizer51vi__: please!00:55
MrOppositeI was being sarcastic at the lack of documentation for the geolocation00:55
MrOppositeoh right00:56
vi__I am unaware of there being any settings for geolocation for microb.00:56
DocScrutinizer51oooh, it HAS quite a bit of docs in wiki00:56
DocScrutinizer51like 3 screens full00:56
vi__DocScrutinizer51: geolocation for microb?00:56
DocScrutinizer51liblocation that is00:57
vi__DocScrutinizer51: do you use a BT KB?00:57
vi__have you ever?00:57
MrOppositeI've tried cofiguring the about:config page in microb once before00:57
MrOppositeit involved xforwarding to a desktop in order to use right-click00:57
MrOppositeis there an easier way?00:57
DocScrutinizer51it's tricky00:57
DocScrutinizer51nah, I recall I found a trick00:58
vi__I got this one!00:58
vi__god dammit00:58
DocScrutinizer51was like typing name of parameter to top search00:59
vi__how to search?00:59
vi__list key thing00:59
vi__here in irc00:59
DocScrutinizer51~listkeys xy00:59
infobotFactoid search of 'xy' by key (21 of 103): airport yxy ;; aproxy ;; cgiproxy ;; galeon proxy ;; iaxy ;; load-balancing-mod_proxy ;; log-proxy ;; micro_proxy ;; mod_proxy_ajp ;; mr sexy pants ;; noxy ;; open proxy ;; oxyd ;; png2jpg proxy ;; proxy ftp ;; proxyarp ;; proxytalk ;; sexy ;; sexygeek ;; sexyken ;; simpleproxy.00:59
vi__~listkeys vi01:00
infobotFactoid search of 'vi' by key (15 of 1074): cmd: viking (.*?) ;; debian 2.2. review ;; djview ;; dont be evil ;; evil_alex jtag ;; example html <marquee behavior> ;; gfontview ;; gtview ;; jargon virtual reality2 ;; jargon visionary ;; modules r evil ;; nvidia guide ;; nvidia-install ;; pogovina ;; problem i'm having.01:00
vi__someone deleted it?01:00
vi__~listkeys vi-01:01
infobotFactoid search of 'vi-' by key (3): vi-kbd ;; vi-is-better ;; poor man's vi-mode.01:01
DocScrutinizer51deleted what?01:01
infoboti heard vi-kbd is
vi__who wanted right click?01:01
DocScrutinizer51there's also listvalues01:01
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vi__MrOpposite: ~vi-kbd01:02
MrOppositethank you01:02
DocScrutinizer51and something like author01:02
MrOppositecan I use the mouse-thingie without the actual keymap?01:02
vi__MrOpposite: yes.01:02
DocScrutinizer51~author vi_01:03
vi__you need xdotool and xbindkeys though.01:03
DocScrutinizer51meh, there's ~help01:03
vi__lets you use ctrl+click on screen to right click.01:03
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vi__the keymap is also thouroughly recommended01:04
DocScrutinizer51indeed, though I didn't manage to deal with it yet01:06
vi__gtg bb01:08
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FIQ|n900HAM is weird03:13
FIQ|n900I'm proceeding to install CSSU, and HAM, apart from looking like not doing anything at all (no dialog or "waiting" symbol or anything) to show CSSU enabler install dialog. Then it just prompts "Could not install Community SSU enabler."03:15
FIQ|n900OK - awesome error reporting03:15
FIQ|n900Is there a way to03:15
FIQ|n900check *why* it didn't install?03:16
FIQ|n900there seems to be a Community SSU button in the application menu even though HAM said it failed...03:17
FIQ|n900HAM is confusing :<03:17
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SkryHAM is bad03:34
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FIQ|n900also, "(null) Install anyway" dialogs doesn't help either :p03:45
FIQ|n900also, "(null) Install anyway?" dialogs doesn't help either :p03:46
Skryvery useful feedback indeed03:47
FIQ|n900oh god why are you doing this to me, HAM :(03:48
FIQ|n900how am I supposed to install coreutils-gnu in devel when I can't even activate the repo (because the list somehow is empty)03:49
FIQ|n900After my last reflash, I decided to only activate devel when needed03:50
FIQ|n900What a bad idea that was... as it requires me to actually use HAM (to disable/enable devel)03:50
FIQ|n900which files does busybox source?03:53
FIQ|n900get "ls: unrecognized option `--color=none'" when I start busybox, would like to know where it's used03:54
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merlin1991FIQ|n900: regarding ham empty list04:50
merlin1991fire up ham, then fire up console and run top, ham is ready for you when apt-worker* process don't clog your system anymore04:50
merlin1991FIQ|n900: also the source for busybox is a "busybox" source pkg04:51
merlin1991ah wait04:51
* merlin1991 headdesks04:52
merlin1991check you .profile and stuff busybox checks a few of them04:52
FIQ|n900but I can't see apt-worker in top at all05:03
FIQ|n900and repo list is still empty05:04
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robbiethe1stWait... people use graphical package managers?05:11
FIQ|n900solved the source issue though05:11
robbiethe1stI always just used apt-get etc... Faster, more responsive, and no hidden errors.05:11
FIQ|n900robbiethe1st: do you have another suggestion on enabling/disabling extras-devel?05:11
FIQ|n900but if I want to manage repositories05:11
FIQ|n900people in here recommend me to use HAM05:12
FIQ|n900as doing it commandline apparently breaks things05:12
robbiethe1stEdit the maemo-whatever file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/05:12
robbiethe1stAnd then apt-get update etc.05:12
robbiethe1stworks great05:12
FIQ|n900now i can stop use this POS05:12
FIQ|n900what does "Inactivate" do from HAM exactly?05:15
robbiethe1stComment it out?05:15
FIQ|n900seems that the extras-devel repo simply disappeared instead of being commented out05:15
FIQ|n900oh well, it's not that hard to create05:16
robbiethe1stTo be fair, though, I'm one of those people who turns to the command like first in most cases, so I don't know if it could possibly break the graphical managers somehow; if you have trouble, though, you can always just undo it. And I've never had an issue with the command-line tools, or(that I can remember) breaking either the official package manager or FAM05:16
FIQ|n900by the way, do you know anything about a broken cssu-enabler?05:17
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robbiethe1stNo; I've not installed CSSU.05:18
FIQ|n900installing it earlier today didn't succeed properly from dpkg's point of view, though it was installed05:18
robbiethe1stI use kernel-power, and OC and such.05:18
FIQ|n900hmm ok05:18
robbiethe1stbut no cssu05:18
robbiethe1stI've found that often you have to manually mess with things when dpkg gets in a snit05:18
robbiethe1stLike errors about some pre-remove script not working required me to edit the aforementioned file and add an 'exit 0' so dpkg installs the next version05:19
robbiethe1stannoying, but it's the price I pay for having full control over my phone. :P05:20
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FIQ|n900MohammadAG: ping05:23
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FIQ|n900there we go.. usable shell environment05:33
FIQ|n900well, almost.. no dejavu sans mono until reboot05:33
robbiethe1stWhat, no Courier New?05:36
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FIQ|n900courier new is a nice font in editors05:38
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FIQ|n900but I don't like it for the terminal05:38
FIQ|n900granted, you can use editors in terminals05:39
FIQ|n900but imo, courier new is hard to read in n900 because it's thin05:39
robbiethe1stEh, that's your opinion05:51
robbiethe1stI'm using Monospace Bold 12pt myself05:52
robbiethe1stOn 100-dpi screens, I always use courier new05:52
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robbiethe1stProblem is, in order to make a thin font like that work, you can't have anti-aliasing enabled. Clear, sharp pixel lines05:53
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Hurrianwhoa, apparently someone gathered all the patches and got 3.5 to boot on the N900.12:23
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NIN101cool but no real practical use unfortunately.12:28
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Hurrianif it boots to a tty, then it's fine12:45
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NIN101and what practical use is this still?12:50
NIN101I mean, I can also boot into a tty with 2.6.28...12:51
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grammoboyI can't transmit my mp3 playing to the radio via the fm transmitter?13:26
grammoboyonly internet radio?13:26
Hurriangrammoboy, all audio is piped to the FMTX13:27
Hurriancheck your settings13:27
grammoboyHurrian, so it is possible?13:27
Hurrianit's how it normally works13:28
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grammoboycan it be any frequency?13:30
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grammoboyor pick one which doesn't belong to a real radio station?13:32
grammoboyeg a uncommon freq?13:33
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vi__how do I stop extkb from hosing my keyboard geometry?13:34
Hurriangrammoboy, yeah13:34
Hurrianactually, that's what's recommended, because the FMTX antenna has piss poor TX power13:35
vi__when I disconnect my BT KB by unfriendly means my N900 KB goes bananas13:35
vi__Hurrian: not just that, it is of piss poor design as well.13:35
Hurrianvi__, a script to reload the N900's KB config?13:35
Hurrianno idea how to watch for that though13:35
Hurriana QBW button/13:36
vi__ever notice that it works nicely on low freqs but sucks utter monkey nuts at high freqs?13:36
Hurrianvi__, antenna problems?13:36
vi__Hurrian: what do I have to do to reload rx-51 geometry?13:36
Hurriannever noticed that, freqs < 90MHz are all filled up.13:36
vi__setxkbmap only loads leymap.13:37
vi__which is no use if the n900 thinks the n900 keyboard is the same physical layout of my external kb.13:37
HurrianI was going to suggest that, but didn't realize there was a diff bet geometry and layout.13:37
vi__kerio: ping13:38
vi__the joys of having an spp kb and not a hal one.13:39
vi__that coupled with a totally broken implementation of kbdd and bluetoothd13:39
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vi__kerio: ping13:40
vi__kerio: ping13:40
vi__kerio: ping13:40
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grammoboyHurrian, ok it works, but only if you keep the n900 real close to the tuner14:02
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vi__stupid nospam junk14:12
vi__kerio: ping14:13
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vi__has anyone here got a bluetooth keyboard?14:16
vi__can you give me some:14:17
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vi__cat /var/lib/bluetooth/<your mac>/profiles14:17
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pavi_Hi I am getting the telephony functions disabled error after using N900 for like a year ! I didnt even touch the sim , what might have happened ?14:29
vi__pavi_: your n900 has died.14:33
edheldilpavi_:  happened to me a month ago. Quite possibly dead phone in the phone14:33
vi__pavi_: did you buy your n900 new?14:34
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pavi_No I dont have warranty if thats what you are asking14:34
pavi_so there is no solution?14:34
vi__depends what the issue is.14:34
edheldilpavi_:  try to run 'pnatd' command when it disables the 'phony' functions and issue blind type 'AT'14:35
sixwheeledbeasthammer solution?....lol14:35
edheldilor AT+CFUN? (iirc)14:35
vi__sixwheeledbeast: you have a BT KB?14:35
pavi_sixwheeledbeast, yeah seen the hammer solution :(14:36
sixwheeledbeastlooks a bit scary IMO14:36
edheldilmine gets stuck without output after AT, phic presumably is dead phone14:36
infobotedheldil meant: mine gets stuck without output after AT, which presumably is dead phone14:36
edheldilsomebody recommended reflash, haven't tried it yet14:37
pavi_edheldil,  what does issue blind type mean? does it ask for it ?14:37
pavi_I am running pnatd as root but no response14:37
edheldilno, run pnatd command *as root * from a terminal and then blind type (because it does not echo by default) AT14:38
edheldiland enter14:38
edheldilwhen rapuyama is working, it replies 'OK'14:39
pavi_ohh ok  .14:39
sixwheeledbeastvi_: I have what's your problem?14:40
pavi_edheldil, tried that no response from the terminal .14:40
edheldilwell, then see above14:41
* pavi_ is sad to have a dead N900 :( 14:41
edheldilfor some time it helped to reboot or powercycle the phone, but now it does not work anymore14:42
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pavi_edheldil,  same here it started with me selecting 3G ( normally its on GSM) . later only reboot helped .. guess it will become worse14:43
edheldiltry reflash :)14:45
vi__sixwheeledbeast: is it an hid KB?14:45
sixwheeledbeastpavi_: I have had it once, months ago and it hasn't reoccured. I took it apart and blew the dust out the battery /sim tray.14:45
vi__or an spp kb?14:46
sixwheeledbeasthid me thinks14:46
vi__when you go to bluetooth in menu, do you get the option to 'connect'14:46
vi__or is the button greyed out?14:47
sixwheeledbeastjust released I haven't reinstalled extkbd or my kbd after the last reflash14:47
vi__have you paired the KB?14:48
Chiku|dchi which port gmail talk user on meamo?14:48
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sixwheeledbeastyes a while ago14:48
vi__Chiku|dc: the standard one14:49
vi__sixwheeledbeast: then you can still check, you do not need extkb installed etc.14:49
vi__also, what 'profiles' does it list as supported?14:49
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sixwheeledbeasti do have extkdb, but it shows a hildon-banner error and borks the settings app.14:52
sixwheeledbeastnot used since the reflash tbh14:52
sixwheeledbeast/opt/usr/bin/extkbd --parent 100% in top14:53
vi__I just want you to click on the status menu, bluetooth, devices, your KB, edit and tell me what the supported profiles are.14:53
sixwheeledbeastHID only14:54
vi__there we go14:54
vi__is the 'connect' button greyed out?14:54
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vi__I think I shall have to write a QBW to make a BT KB on/off toggle anyway.14:56
vi__I get the feeling SPP KB is 'dumb' compared to HID.14:56
vi__That coupled with the fact bluetoothd is totally fucking broken.14:56
narcosDoes anyone know how a script can determine its location?14:57
vi__and kbdd from the repos relies on bluetoothd working means it is also totally fucking broken.14:57
narcos(bash script)14:57
vi__the location of what?14:57
narcosi.e. regardless of the directory I call it from, it knows where it is14:57
vi__pwd command14:58
narcosvi__: The location of itself on the filesystem14:58
narcosLike pwd, but working regardless of where I call the script from14:58
vi__not the current working directory?14:58
narcosvi__: No, the location of the script. So if the script is /foo/bar/, and I call it from /foo/ - I want the result '/foo/bar/'14:59
narcosvi__: That's not very efficient each time the script runs, and there may be other copies of it lying around14:59
vi__scripts only think in terms of current working directory.15:00
vi__they have no knowledge of where they live.15:00
narcosi've found this solution - DIR="$( cd "$( dirname "${BASH_SOURCE[0]}" )" && pwd )"15:00
narcosBut it doesn't seem to work on BusyBox15:00
narcosIt works on Ubuntu15:00
vi__probably because BB uses ASH15:00
vi__why cant you use bash?15:01
narcosHm, I am using bash15:01
vi__Then it is not a problem with busybox.15:01
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vi__perhaps it is something to do with environmental variables.15:03
vi__What does your script return?15:03
pavi_sixwheeledbeast, edheldil vi__  I changed the SIM card with a new one , and I am yet to face the telephony issue .15:05
vi__pavi_: you are lucky then!15:05
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vi__Involuntary CMT death is permanent.15:06
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pavi_vi__, but it was also random ... previously .. dunno whats going to happen now15:06
vi__pavi_: treasure the last few months with your n900.15:06
pavi_vi__, :) maybe , should I be looking on ebay for N9 .. ?15:08
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vi__pavi_: you will also need a lobotamy.15:10
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pavi_vi__,  edheldil  The issue has now repeated with the new sim after like 30 minutes :(15:17
edheldiltime to get a new phone15:18
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edheldilI now use an old one I dug from the bottom of a drawer, and I am positively surprised that it goes more than a week without recharge, even on a several years old battery and bluetooth on15:19
pavi_ohh a reboot is not working now :(15:20
edheldilwell, it was fast in your case :(15:21
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edheldilpavi_:  if you try reflash, tell me whether it worked15:29
Hurrianvi__, fortunately, after a few years, most people would prefer to use the N900 as a UMPC, and not as a phone anymore.15:30
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Hurrianstill sucks that the chip gets loose/breaks/whatever, but for an aging device with numerous hardware faults, it's not surprising.15:30
pavi_edheldil, yeah sure , thats what I am doing .. just a small hope :( after all its my most favourite device  :(15:30
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* pavi_ wishes he could afford N9 now :(15:33
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Lava_Croftget a used N9, like I did15:39
edheldilstill would be too expensive for me, I am afraid15:41
Lava_Crofti paid 250e15:42
Lava_Croftwhich was easy after selling that wretched galaxy nexus, after 2 weeks of torture15:42
edheldilhmm n9 has 2 sims????15:43
* edheldil is doubtful15:44
Lava_Croftn9 is not dual sim15:48
edheldilI thought so .. so the first one is a chinese fake as I suspected :)15:48
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Lava_Croftyou can leave out the 'chinese' part, since wether its real or fake, its still a healthy percentage chinese! :)15:52
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edheldilhehe. True15:59
edheldilbut I meant that chinese (made for China/Sold from China) have often dual sims, unlike the european' ones16:00
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Lava_Crofti know, just teasing16:05
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DocScrutinizer51damn, I LOVE this 'phone'17:46
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DocScrutinizer51had to swap battery since I was too silly to lock screen when putting it into pouch17:47
keriowhich "phone"?17:47
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DocScrutinizer51(15 ays uptime ?-/ )17:48
keriowhy didn't you charge it?17:48
DocScrutinizer51on reboot hildon-desktop acted up17:48
DocScrutinizer51but I got CSSU5 with my miniminifix17:48
DocScrutinizer51so ctrl-shift-x, killall hildon-desktop. all fine again17:49
keriowhich minifix?17:49
kerioand why did hildon-desktop act up?17:49
kerioand why did you have to swap batteries?17:50
DocScrutinizer51the 'don't reboot on hildon-desktop bork'17:50
kerioi don't have that one :c17:50
DocScrutinizer51because screen on for 8h17:50
kerioso? charge it17:50
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DocScrutinizer51no charger around17:50
kerioalso my only battery survived about 4 hours of wifi monitor mode17:51
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kerioi noticed because the phone became warm17:51
keriook, maybe two hours and a half17:51
kerioactually, i noticed because it fucked with my bt headphones17:51
kerioi had to restart bluetoothd and pulse to make them work afterwards17:52
DocScrutinizer51eventually I should do a test and disable wjan-scan17:52
keriooh right, i don't have automatic wlan anymore17:53
keriobecause it screws with my bt headphones17:53
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DocScrutinizer51you got hidden APs configured?17:54
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ShadowJKWhenever it scans, bt drops out17:54
DocScrutinizer51so I guess it's a problem only when WLAN active?17:54
ShadowJKBut automatic wlan scan seems to fix up occurences of wlan consuming tons of power if you walk out of range of ap17:55
DocScrutinizer51drop out means?17:55
ShadowJKThe music skips17:55
DocScrutinizer51how much?17:56
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DocScrutinizer51I know 0.5s dropouts17:56
ShadowJKLike if you punched an old sony walkman cd player17:56
ShadowJKYeah about that17:56
kerioyep, it's awful17:57
kerioso fuck that17:57
DocScrutinizer51CSSU!!!!! BUG!!!17:57
keriosomeone please come to my house and connect my n900 to the wifi17:57
ShadowJKI typically manually switch off wlan scan after I arrive at work (where I use bt headset/ad2p)17:57
RST38hShadowJK: Too much work17:57
DocScrutinizer51automate it17:58
RST38hWhy not keep it on? Does not seem to interfere with bt too much17:58
ShadowJKI also check gsm-only mode, and sometimes also enable irc powersave and drop screen brightness a notch17:58
DocScrutinizer51read backscroll!17:58
ShadowJKIt interferes enough that entire words are lost when listening to speech17:59
RST38hDoes not interfere here17:59
DocScrutinizer51bbl, job done for today :)17:59
RST38hOnly makes a bit of a jump when itactually connects or disconnects fromap17:59
ShadowJKit jumps when it scans too for me18:00
* RST38h sends the purple diarrhea beam towards Toshiba engineering team: how did they manage to make a keyboard where spacebar (!) does not work by design (!!)18:00
RST38hShadowJK:Quiet and peaceful here, I wonder what the difference is18:01
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ShadowJKon another topic, gpodder is giving me 403 on youtube :-/18:01
RST38hyoutube changed url format?18:02
ShadowJKdunno, old youtube-dl seems to still work18:03
ShadowJK"old" as in before time when gpodder stopped working18:03
ShadowJKhm, a new version in -devel :)18:09
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ShadowJKhm still no worky :/18:27
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DocScrutinizer51RST38h: other BT A2DP codec with your HS?18:36
DocScrutinizer51more buffer?18:37
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DocScrutinizer51RST38h: has it delays when you start/stop music?18:37
freemangordondoes anyone know how to strip binutils/gcc while building cross toolchain? not using crosstool-ng ;)18:39
DocScrutinizer51is there no strip?18:39
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freemangordonthere is, but there are lots of binaries. And I prefer to use configure/make switch if available18:40
freemangordonI build a new toolchain based on linaro gcc 4.7.2 2012.09, but it is huge :D18:42
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keriofreemangordon: btw, why does extkbd change /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51?18:51
kerioand more importantly, why does it overwrite it?18:51
freemangordonby design ;)18:52
kerioit's a stupid design18:52
kerioit doesn't even backup it18:52
freemangordonmake a better one18:52
freemangordonthere is a backup18:52
kerioi don't know why, but my own rx-51 wasn't in the backup18:52
kerioi had to recover it from BM18:52
freemangordonkerio: noone knows what shape is your device in18:53
freemangordoneven you18:53
keriothat's why you should ASK THE USER >:c18:53
kerioanyway, now i'm missing some of the symbols on the bt kbd, right?18:53
freemangordonkerio: extkbd install newer version of xkb-data18:54
freemangordonthat is why rx51 is overwritten, as it is upstreamed18:54
keriooh, ok18:54
keriohm, why doesn't it effectively upgrade xkb-data?18:54
keriolike, the package18:54
freemangordonbecause of extras18:55
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kerioyou don't have to put it in extras18:55
kerioship the deb in /opt and install it18:55
kerioor something18:55
kerioi mean, right now you're shipping a tarball, it's about the same18:55
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freemangordonkerio: wan't to be a maintainer of extkbd?18:56
kerioi'd have to deal with the autobuilder18:57
keriono ty ;)18:57
keriohrmpf, "€" on the bt kbd doesn't work18:57
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kerioi wonder if there's an actual layout for *this* bt kbd18:57
freemangordonthere should be18:58
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freemangordonyou mayu want to play with layout variants18:58
keriofreemangordon: no "stowaway" or "igo" :(19:01
freemangordonhmm, that is supported iirc19:02
kerioyeah, most of the keys work19:02
keriolike, pretty much every key works19:03
keriobut i'm using the pc105 layout19:03
kerioand it's not quite a pc10519:03
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keriomeh, i'll live without the eur symbol and the yen symbol19:05
freemangordonthere are several variants of pc105, check language and variant19:06
freemangordoni.e. play a bit with them, maybe choose UK instead of US19:06
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kerioare you kidding? UK is totally different19:07
kerio# is on a separate key, for instance19:07
freemangordonkerio: well, you have a plenty of keyboard variants, try them19:08
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freemangordonyou have about 10 different layouts for USA pc10519:08
keriohm, the standard pc105 is the one that appears to work best19:09
kerioanyway, extkbd is really neat19:10
kerioA+++ would kbd again19:10
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freemangordonkerio, which varian do you use?19:11
keriopc105 usa standard19:11
freemangordonchange to intl19:11
freemangordonthere is no standard19:11
kerioall intl does is fuck up my ' and require me to type something after ~, ' and `19:12
keriobecause it does automatic accent combination19:12
kerioi meant variant None19:12
keriohehe, i wonder how many keys i can push at the same time19:13
kerioi should try MAME with this kbd19:13
keriofreemangordon: were there any changes to rx-51, btw?19:14
freemangordoniirc no19:14
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keriofreemangordon: ooh, neat, you do install xkb-data-extkbd19:19
keriowhich somehow overwrites xkb-data19:19
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keriosorry for doubting you <319:24
keriocan extkbd also configure usb keyboards?19:25
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: how much current can you "legally" get via usb without negotiating or checking for fastchargers?19:26
kerioand how much current can you pull from something that identifies as a charger?19:26
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DocScrutinizer05the latter undefined19:27
keriowithout negotiating? :o19:27
kerioi thought it was like 1019:27
DocScrutinizer05nope, 10019:27
keriolike, just to power the tiny circuit that negotiates19:27
DocScrutinizer058 for OTG19:27
kerioOTG on which side?19:28
DocScrutinizer05on the A side obviously19:28
kerioi see19:28
keriowell, it's still silly19:28
keriowell, because devices know they can ask for 100 and get it granted19:29
DocScrutinizer05not if session suspended19:29
kerioexcept that sometimes they don't19:29
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keriomeh, too weird for me :s19:30
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: well, you asked "without negotiation", so my answer regarding OTG was incorrect, since the session can suspend only by very special OTG negotiation, and initially I guess any OTG A device is suppoed to also deliver the 100 I quoted before19:44
kerioi see19:44
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DocScrutinizer05OTG has a whitelist and a blacklist for defining which devices can work with the 150, 200, $whatever, that the OTG A Vbus can deliver19:46
DocScrutinizer05We had to neuter that for h-e-n19:46
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DocScrutinizer05OTG is actually extremely screwed19:46
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keriowhat do you mean which devices?19:47
DocScrutinizer05e.g. hubs usually don't work with OTG at all19:47
keriohehe, to think that a hub is the only way you can get reliable auto-enumeration and power on the n900...19:48
DocScrutinizer05then there are also devices blacklisted since they pull more than they negotiate19:48
kerioare we talking about classes of devices?19:49
kerioor actual device/model pairs?19:49
keriowhat the fuck19:49
kerioin the standard itself? :s19:49
DocScrutinizer05per model+driver19:49
DocScrutinizer05I think the list is nowhere standarized, it's per manuf/model19:50
keriothat's even worse!19:51
keriowhy do you keep telling me these things?19:51
kerioand why do i keep asking?19:51
DocScrutinizer05musb_hdrc: USB Host mode controller at ffc03800 using PIO, IRQ 59  >
DocScrutinizer05musb_hdrc: kernel must blacklist external hubs19:52
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DocScrutinizer05>> Patch with which i had a limited success (my device was rejected during enumeration because i didn't have the whitelist disabled, but the VID/PID was properly read).<<19:55
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keriofreemangordon: the enter key doesn't repeat itself20:06
keriohow can i see if it's a problem of the keyboard?20:06
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kerioheh, this kbd is silly20:09
kerioshift+up is mapped to ?20:09
kerioso i can't select going up20:09
kerioonly going down20:09
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paviMy telephony error wasnt fixed by flashing20:42
pavibut by keeping a paper cusion between battery :O20:43
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SpeedEvilthat may well only be a very temporary fix20:45
kerioto be fair it shows that the SIM has a flaky connection20:45
SpeedEvilno, it doesn't20:47
SpeedEvilit shows that something does.20:47
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DocScrutinizer05which usually is NOT the sim20:59
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kerioreflow all the solderings! _ò/21:00
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if 'SIM' error might get caused by pressing kbd too hard, thus breaking solder points under BGA chips by bending PCB21:00
DocScrutinizer05seems pressing hard on "TYO" keys should kill GAIA instantly21:04
DocScrutinizer05while "A" kills eMMC21:04
DocScrutinizer05modem chips OTOH are not on backside of any kbd key21:06
DocScrutinizer05"U" and "; <up>" are opposite side of SIM-holder solder points21:09
ShadowJKhjk was most effective for reproducing crossed-out-sim21:09
DocScrutinizer05"J" is actually opposite side of SIM colder points21:10
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DocScrutinizer05"U" is21:11
ShadowJKon the last csualty it doesnt matter, because it's always deadmodem,  and simless emergency call doesnt work either21:11
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kerio~seen pali22:00
infobotpali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1d 2h 27m 50s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer51, see ^^^'.22:00
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keriodeepy: how's it going?22:03
deepyI keep forgetting to bring it to work22:04
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vi__how do I stop extkb from hosing my KB geometry?22:39
freemangordonvi__: what is wrong with it?22:39
freemangordonBTW which KBD? external or internal22:40
vi__external BTKB22:42
vi__BT KB22:42
freemangordonand what is incorrect?22:42
vi__using SPP profile instead of hid.22:42
freemangordonnot supported by extkbd (iirc)22:43
freemangordonand you should disable hid BT plugin22:43
vi__It kind of worls.22:43
vi__It kind of worKs.22:43
freemangordonor even better -remove extkbd22:43
freemangordonkind of?22:43
vi__you can set a shortcut to change keymaps22:43
vi__it works on the external kb22:44
infobotkerio: don't highlight my master!22:45
kerioinfobot: k22:45
infobotk is probably okay22:45
keriovi__: ohai22:45
keriovi__: extkbd hoses your /usr/share/X11/xkb/22:45
kerioand installs the new upstream version22:45
kerioso you have to restore any modification you made to rx-5122:46
vi__sorry, I was just connecting the KB.22:46
kerioi think kbdd can be configured to use a different layout, can't it?22:46
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vi__kerio: I found this out.22:46
kerioand SPP KBDs suck lol22:46
vi__they certainly do22:46
vi__Is there someway I can add my rx-51 to extkb?22:46
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freemangordonwell, remove extkbd and xkb-data-exkbd (that will restore your xkb data)22:47
kerioif you have the backup still there22:47
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* DocScrutinizer51 beats kerio with a pali doll22:47
keriootherwise, LOL22:47
kerioDocScrutinizer51: wtf do you want22:47
vi__sometimes when I non-gracefully disconnect my keyboard (go out of range, cut the power etc) my n900 KB becomes completely fucked.22:47
kerioalso i want my pali22:47
freemangordoncopy your rx51 to a safe place, install extkbd and copy rx51 back22:48
freemangordonvi__: i am not sure it is extkbd to blame22:48
vi__After learning the hardway I have several backups of rx-51.22:48
freemangordonactually it is just an UI which sets some HAL script and assigns xkb layout to your external keyboard there22:48
freemangordonthe one that does the real job is hal/X22:49
freemangordonusing xkb-data22:49
vi__freemangordon: can it completely fuck up the n900 kb geometry at all?22:49
freemangordondon;t think so22:49
vi__to the point where the n900 keyboard is just spamming agrbage and needs rebooted to fix it?22:50
freemangordonwhere did you get kbdd?22:50
vi__it is in the repos.22:50
vi__it is totally broken.22:50
vi__the kbdd binary works though22:51
freemangordonvi__: are you sure you don't have some bt-hid-scripts installed?22:51
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vi__...I dont think so.22:51
vi__only extkb22:51
vi__one thing that pisses me off is bluetoothd22:52
freemangordonvi__: NFC, but as I told you, all the job is done in a pretty standard way, extkbd is an updated (and full) xkb-data+UI22:52
esaym153what is a good music player for n810?22:53
vi__if you switch bt off then on again, it does not re-bind as per rfcomm.conf.22:53
freemangordonxkb-data comes from...lemme think,, maybe debian lenny22:53
esaym153the default one is kind of quirky22:53
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vi__esaym153: mplayer!22:53
keriois there a way to make the haptic feedback stronger?22:53
esaym153vi__: well I want one that can show my whole library22:53
vi__kerio: replacec vibe motor with a solenoid.22:54
freemangordonvi__: it was too long ago, i can;t recall all of the details22:54
vi__freemangordon: thats ok.22:54
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freemangordonbut in general SPP keyboards are never meant to be supported by extkbd22:55
freemangordononly HID22:55
vi__freemangordon: what is brewing in the thumb branch?22:55
freemangordonI even wonder how you are able to setup a layout via extkbd UI22:55
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freemangordonvi__: pulseaudio, gstreamer and... te fuck22:56
freemangordonkerio: what was the third one?22:56
vi__freemangordon: once the kb is attached i doubt it matters if it is hid or spp.22:56
freemangordonvi__: it matters, as UI enumerates HD devices22:56
keriofreemangordon: idk, tracker?22:56
freemangordonaah, yes22:56
freemangordonvi__: HID devices even22:56
vi__freemangordon: maybe show open media player some thumb lovin'?22:57
freemangordonvi__: well, toolchain and setup procedure are on the wiki22:57
vi__My n900 is my only pc right now.22:57
freemangordonand it will be much better to use my time on mafw than on the UI ;)22:58
vi__my laptop bit the dust.22:58
vi__freemangordon: tru22:58
* freemangordon is afk for a cigarette22:58
vi__kerio, hurry up and set up the toolchain so you can compile trivial stuff for amusement.22:59
keriono u22:59
vi__no u22:59
kerioanyway, i made the haptic feedback stronger22:59
kerioand LOL, it's really stronger22:59
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keriono, /etc/mce/mce.ini22:59
vi__what did you change?23:00
vi__of course23:00
kerioinstead of 23 accel, 0 on, 15 decel, i made it 0 accel, 40 on, 0 decel23:00
vi__pointless waste of battery.23:01
vi__have you managed to tame xterm yet?23:01
vi__i.e. change font size?23:02
kerioto make it 80x24? n23:02
vi__also how the f does hostmode work now?23:02
vi__do I STILL HAVE TO USE H>E>N>?23:03
DocScrutinizer05WTF IS WRONG WITH H>E>N?23:03
* Sicelo still uses it.. the new stuff doesn't work so well for me23:04
vi__nothing is wrong with it, i am just aware a bunch of sruff was changed.23:04
kerioyeah, h-e-n is still somewhat advised23:04
vi__so just use hen like before, dont worry about evertything23:05
kerioKP52 should work better23:05
kerio(not released yet)23:05
DocScrutinizer05I'd maybe worry about KP51nnn23:05
kerioDocScrutinizer05: how big of a battery drain is the vibrator?23:07
kerioso should i disable the haptic feedback?23:07
DocScrutinizer05only on DutyCycle=10023:07
kerioi made it a bit stronger, but shorter now23:07
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DocScrutinizer05negligible anyway23:08
DocScrutinizer05as long as you don't do echo 255 >/sys/*/*/*/LED/vibrator23:08
DocScrutinizer05rather echo 255 >/sys/*/*/*/LED/vibrator/brightness23:09
vi__I have just attached an external mouse23:11
vi__I can click on stuff.23:11
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freemangordonvi__: trow away that SPP keyboard and find some HID, it will make all the difference23:12
vi__there were legends of villages in the next valley who had the power of ctrl+right click.  THE STORIES ARE REAL.23:12
keriowhat does ctrl+right click do?23:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you suck!23:12
vi__it lets you access the font menu in xterm.23:13
kerioanyway, i like this stronger-but-shorter pattern23:13
freemangordonbtw I am using apple alluminium (short version) works like charm23:13
keriovi__: oh, the actual xterm23:13
kerioi see23:13
vi__it still does nothing.23:13
keriofreemangordon: i'm using a STOWAWAY23:13
vi__freemangordon: it was free...23:13
kerioit is the shit23:13
vi__...and i am cheap.23:13
kerioit folds in half23:13
kerioand has a stand for the phone23:13
vi__so does this one, bitch.23:14
freemangordonhmm, don;t you have TV sets around?23:14
vi__it even has a bluue function key, THAT BEHVES LIKE THE BLUE KEY ON THE N900 KEYBOARD!!1!23:15
vi__...i have no tv.23:15
* DocScrutinizer05 throws while true; do echo 255 >/sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness; sleep 2; echo 50 >/sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness; sleep 1; done at kerio23:15
keriovi__: why the hell would i want a key to act like the blue key on the n900 keyboard23:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i don't need an actual vibrator, dude23:16
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keriobesides, the n900 isn't exactly ergonomic23:16
vi__kerio: dude, it doesnt go in ur ass.23:16
freemangordonkerio: compared to n950 it is23:16
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keriovi__: right, it's a "massager"23:16
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vi__brb, clicking on stuff23:18
DocScrutinizer05kerio: anyway ~120mA at 100%23:19
DocScrutinizer05off battery23:20
vi__that is as powerfull as a shit led flashlight.23:20
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kerioexcept that it provides sexual pleasure instead of light23:20
DocScrutinizer05and as negligible as the indicator light flashing23:21
keriofreemangordon: i'm not getting anything in Settings after installing extmou23:21
infobotpower is, like,
DocScrutinizer05wtf? this looks like a digest23:22
DocScrutinizer05hmm, never been longer than today23:23
vi__kerio: there is nothing to show23:23
DocScrutinizer054,462 bytes23:23
keriovi__: but then how will i configure mouse sensitivity? D:23:23
freemangordonkerio: and what do you want to set up?23:23
freemangordonno way23:23
keriofreemangordon: ^23:23
kerioya way23:23
keriogotta set up my mouse correctly if i want to own noobs in quake23:24
DocScrutinizer05and MEH, vibrator already been there23:24
kerioor something23:24
freemangordonkerio: well, edit hal script23:24
* kerio will most definetely not own noobs in quake from his n90023:24
keriobecause quake 3 is ballzy hard23:24
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, it's "always" been there: Idle, no SIM, wlan off 7 mA@4.1 V T // Wifi on with maximum powersaving. +~2 mA // = 9mA idling on internet via WLAN. Makes for 140h standby23:29
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, it's "always" been there: Idle, no SIM, wlan off 7 mA@4.1 V T // 2G connected, good signal, no data or other activity +5 mA // do your math23:31
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DocScrutinizer05council: will nomination period be extended now, and council election postponed?23:38
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DocScrutinizer05or will we all get eaten by the galactic goat?23:39
DocScrutinizer05(in the latter case, let me run to desinfect my phone handset before that happens)23:42
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vi__did anyone manage to get one of those usb vga cables to work?23:58
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