IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-10-02

keriofreemangordon: i can't get a cursor to appear when i open a menubar menu00:00
deepykerio: I can't even bring it to work tomorrow D:00:00
deepyor on wednesday00:00
deepyvery senior people coming in and I suppose it's not very professional to watch movies at work00:01
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vi__kerio: extmou?00:02
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kerioit works nicely00:03
kerioalthough microb doesn't like my mouse pointer00:03
kerioand i get the vibrator for all mouse events00:03
kerioso there's a noticeable "bzzzzzzzzzz" when i scroll up or down00:03
keriooh come on, why is BME so dumb00:04
keriobq27200 says the battery is at 45%00:04
keriobut the battery indicator is almost empty00:04
vi__bme blows and you know that.00:04
vi__scroll wheel is treated as a button event.00:04
vi__what do you mean microb does not like it?00:05
kerioi mean that i can't seem to do anything with web pages00:06
vi__click on stuff?00:06
kerioyeah, that00:07
kerioit doesn't work00:07
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vi__come to think of it, I did not try that...00:08
vi__I tried right clicking.00:10
vi__you want I try again?00:10
kerioi don't really care00:10
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narcosI can't seem to get this syntax right:00:54
narcosworks --> osso-xterm -e "tail -f log.txt | cut -f 4,5"00:54
narcosnot --> osso-xterm -e "tail -f log.txt | cut -d ',' -f 4,5"00:55
narcoscut -d \",\" neither00:55
DocScrutinizer05hmm, weird00:55
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DocScrutinizer05try cut -d \, -f 4,500:55
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narcosDocScrutinizer05: Nope :(00:56
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DocScrutinizer05try osso-xterm -e "echo tail -f log.txt | cut -d ',' -f 4,5"00:56
DocScrutinizer05try osso-xterm -e "echo \"tail -f log.txt | cut -d ',' -f 4,5\""00:57
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DocScrutinizer05check if "." is really what you want00:57
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DocScrutinizer05err "."00:57
DocScrutinizer05dafaq ,,,,,00:57
narcosPardon? :)00:58
DocScrutinizer05run echo tail -f log.txt | cut -d ',' -f 4,5  in an already opened shell00:59
DocScrutinizer05try delim=, osso-xterm -e "tail -f log.txt | cut -d $delim -f 4,5"01:00
narcosNope doesn't work either01:02
narcosBut yes "," is the correct delimiter if that's what you were asking? I can run the command from within a shell01:02
DocScrutinizer05btw what's the use of all that exercise?01:03
DocScrutinizer05I can run osso-xterm -e date all day long, without any idea why I'm doing that01:04
narcosI've got an app that collects data, and writes it to file in .csv. The purpose of this is for the user to see some output of what's going on in the background01:04
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DocScrutinizer05aaah, I see, tail -f01:04
narcosI could just output the whole line, but there's all kinds of superfluous data. Well, for the user anyway.01:05
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DocScrutinizer05narcos: are you sure you're right user in your osso-xterm for reading from log.txt01:10
DocScrutinizer05are you sure there's even such a thing like ./log.txt ?01:11
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narcosDocScrutinizer05: If I don't include the "-d" parameter it works01:11
narcosOutputing the whole line01:11
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DocScrutinizer05If I had any log.txt I'd try to reproduce that problem here, but obviously in my ~user there isn't any01:12
narcosecho a,b,c,d,e,f > log.txt01:13
narcosOh, also, perhaps I didn't properly explain what's "not working". The term doesn't open - it flashes open and then closes instantly.01:14
narcosLike it does when there's a syntax error01:14
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DocScrutinizer05yes, same here01:16
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# osso-xterm -e "sleep 10"  <-works01:16
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# osso-xterm -e "date && sleep 10" <-closes immediately01:17
DocScrutinizer05well, now I know... ;-P01:17
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DocScrutinizer05t900:~# osso-xterm -e "sh -c 'date && sleep 10'"01:18
DocScrutinizer05xterm is no shell01:18
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narcosAh, interesting01:19
DocScrutinizer05xterm is a terminal, you pass a single executable as parameter, not a shell cmdline01:19
narcosI was pondering writing a one line script with the tail commands, and calling that from xterm01:19
narcosah ok01:19
narcosHmm, that 'date' command outputs worrying data01:20
narcos(didn't realise it was so late already)01:20
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narcosBash scripting gives me a headache.01:25
narcosNext iteration, all Python.01:25
SpeedEvilthey sendmail.cf01:25
narcosBTW, I was asking earlier how a script could determine it's location on a Maemo device - this seems to work -> DIR=$(cd $(dirname "$0"); pwd)01:28
narcos(works regardless of where the script is called from, eg from a Desktop launcher)01:28
DocScrutinizer05what's wrong with DIR=$(dirname "$0") ?01:30
narcosI want the full path01:32
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DocScrutinizer05i c01:33
narcosFor the purpose of "source ./config"01:35
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DocScrutinizer05try readlink -f01:43
DocScrutinizer05dirname $(readlink -f $0)01:44
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DocScrutinizer05narcos: ^^^01:45
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DocScrutinizer05narcos: on maemo messybox there's even realpath .01:59
DocScrutinizer05which is the same like readlink -f .01:59
narcosDocScrutinizer05: Ahh, nice02:02
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narcosHmm, can't set +x to files on the MMC02:17
DocScrutinizer05no surprise02:18
DocScrutinizer05there's no such think like +x bit in VFAT file permissions02:19
narcosDidn't know that02:19
narcosGuess that makes sense  though.02:20
DocScrutinizer05you should be able to start arbitrary binaries via `/lib/ <binary>`02:21
DocScrutinizer05or /lib/*02:23
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narcosah ok02:24
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narcosMeh, solar flares.02:38
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* RST38h yawns03:33
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SpeedEvilfew days old now04:45
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* narcos yawns05:03
ShadowJKWhat's this "performance no longer matters" thing in that article about?05:04
narcosZzz. Night *05:05
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: to a degree, the race to the bottom, and the fact that tablets are possibly fast enough05:10
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ShadowJKmy android tablet received jelly bean update today. Now I'm wishing for double the ram and cpu :/05:12
ShadowJK(It has quadcore 1.66Ghz Tegra and 1G ram)05:12
SpeedEvilI'm not sure I agree05:14
SpeedEvilI can certainly see why you'd hesitate in investing in a cut-throat area.05:14
ShadowJKSure, but I don't buy the "fast eough" argument :)05:16
SpeedEvilI have pondered upgrading my nexus 7 to 2g05:17
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robbiethe1stSee, this is where the waste of Android comes forth; when a 1ghz single-core processor and 256mb of ram can perform fast enough when loaded with a gpu-accellerated, true Linux OS, yet with 4x that in ram and processing power and Android...05:17
SpeedEvilstill need to confirm stiff05:17
SpeedEvilI really want proper Linux on it,05:18
SpeedEviland not in a chroot05:18
robbiethe1stNo way to load Ubuntu natively?05:18
robbiethe1stUsing the stock modules and a compatible kernel?05:18
robbiethe1stI mean, for the Allwinner A10-based tablets, that's how you do it.05:18
SpeedEvilno graphics though05:20
SpeedEvilI need to investigate properly.05:20
SpeedEvilbut got boring stuff to do. writing 25 page documents with detailed case law arguing your disabilities is not fun.05:21
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rantomI was browsing the packages section in and came across this11:26
rantomThe karma is already over the required one so I have to ask why isn't that package uploaded to the extras?11:27
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Hurrianpackage maintainer still has to manually do so11:59
HurrianIIRC auto-promote is not yet implemented11:59
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rantomHmm, ok12:06
rantomAccording to his profile in tmo though: he's been off since 21.11.201112:07
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Hurrianbug X-Fade to promote it12:29
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rantomBut thanks for the info. I thought promoting (to extras) was automatic12:38
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grammoboyis there a way to watch bbc with the n900?14:29
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grammoboyhm mplayer can't play the webm file form the new blender movie14:51
grammoboymplayer on desktop does14:51
grammoboytoo old ffmpeg probably14:52
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grammoboyis it possible to make a custom desktop shortcut?16:38
grammoboyalso for root?16:38
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grammoboyandre__, ah ok thx16:43
grammoboyandre__, is it possible to run a command as root via such a desktop file?16:43
andre__why would you need that?16:43
grammoboyfor umount my sshfs / fuse filesystem16:44
grammoboyI play music from my server16:45
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Skrygrammoboy: not exactly a proper solution but have you thought about installing minidlna to your server which would eliminate all sshfs and fuse configuration on client.16:52
grammoboySkry, I bought a qnap ts 209 and like to install debian on it16:53
grammoboySkry, I'm thinking about the best way to play multimedia from the server with my n90016:54
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grammoboySkry, till now it is sshfs fuse, but I read also about NFS, dunno what the best solution is16:54
Skrygrammoboy: well, minidlna is working for me (runs on my desktop and streams music to n900 on wifeys pc) and is lightweight16:55
Skryand wifeys pc16:55
Skryand you'll get videos too via that :)16:57
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Skryi prefer that way over nfs/samba because it needs no client side configuration or user intervention16:58
grammoboyI've to do more research on that, thx for info17:00
Skryyou're welcome.17:01
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vi_spoofy: yo!17:59
vi_why did you take down your nmap 6 deb?17:59
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GGonbeen using my n900 quite a bit tethered lately18:01
GGonmostly because of the keyboard18:01
keriowhich keyboard?18:02
keriobt or usb?18:02
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keriofreemangordon: plugins-base-extra is not in any repo, wtf18:26
spoofyvi_: couse I need to recompile it again18:27
spoofywith working zenmap18:27
spoofyand optify it18:27
spoofyNow I'm working on ruby1.9.3 and postgres9.218:28
spoofyI'm also making my image of maemo with many scripts. Something like pwniephone18:29
spoofybut better ;)18:29
spoofyHope that lastest metasploit will work with ruby1.9.3 and postgres18:29
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vi_spoofy: any chance you could make the deb available for people who do not care for zenmap?18:41
vi_people like me?18:41
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vi_I will email you a donut.18:41
entitledI wanna pizza roll18:42
vi_how would that work?18:42
vi_It would flop onto its side.18:42
vi_cheese side down as well.18:43
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vi_spoofy: I tried the old address on your server but it was not working.18:45
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keriohi dudes18:51
keriois there a good way to autologin to known hot spots that require a login from a browser?18:52
vi_kerio: curl18:52
keriono fucking shit18:52
kerioas in, something with ICD218:52
vi_ICD2 deals with network adapters etc, not stupid html login pages.18:54
vi_put a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/50_mynetworks18:54
keriovi_: can i do that only when on a particular SSID?18:55
vi_I have a script in there that adjust wifi power depending on what network I am on18:55
keriopastebin plskthx18:55
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vi_You could make it do anything.18:55
vi_curl for example.18:55
vi_google curl wifi login.18:56
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spoofyvi_: try ;)18:58
kerioyeah, yeah18:58
kerioi need the glue18:58
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spoofyvi_: sure - I'll make a .deb without zenmap for you ;)18:58
spoofyBut first I must reinstall my desktop and sdk so please be patient18:59
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keriovi_: srsly, pastebin dat19:01
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DocScrutinizer51pastebin? :-O this belongs to wiki!20:09
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keriovi_: you bitch, pastebin your script20:27
kerioit belongs in a museum!20:27
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kerioDocScrutinizer51: use your council powers to make him pastebin it! :c20:46
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gregoakerio: here's something I've been using for a login page:
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gregoakerio: note that this was on debian and called from /etc/network/interfaces20:59
keriogoddammit i don't need the login mechanism i need the ifup.d glue20:59
gregoakerio: well, that's left as an exercise for the reader :) [I'd have to look it up myself]21:00
gregoakerio: might help to find the variables passed to the scripts21:02
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grammoboydoes setting off 'power save' improve the internet connnection?21:07
grammoboywhat is good practice to get reliable internet connection for streaming video at home for instance?21:08
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Lava_Croftgrammoboy: wifi?21:10
grammoboyLava_Croft, yep21:10
Lava_Crofti use stock settings21:10
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sixwheeledbeastkills your battery with power save off. do you have unreliable connection?21:10
Lava_Croftyup, it does21:11
grammoboyI've turned powersaving up and it seems to improve the streaming21:11
Lava_Crofti never found a reason to turn off powersaving21:11
Lava_Croftwell, thats logical21:11
Lava_Croftpower saving degrades performance21:11
* grammoboy looking at a film from nas server21:12
sixwheeledbeastcan be the router if switching power saving off helps21:12
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grammoboywhat could that be?21:13
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sixwheeledbeasti have trouble with ssh if power saving is on full on my home router but on another network no probs.21:15
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keriois powersaving disabled when on charger?21:17
grammoboyit could also  be 10 vs 100W21:19
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grammoboyhm it still runs smoothly with powersaving on, and 10021:23
grammoboyah now the film stops21:23
sixwheeledbeasttry Intermediate21:24
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grammoboyI do21:26
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grammoboyit might also depend on what you use for the multimedia on the server21:30
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grammoboyso far so good21:35
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DocScrutinizer05 PSM basically tells wlan rx how long to sleep until listening for next wakeup call from AP22:14
DocScrutinizer05AP sends wakeup calls when there's data to transmit down to the client wlan device22:14
DocScrutinizer05on AP side you can sometimes configure whether you want data-pending-msg get sent with each beacon, with every 2nd, every 10th or whatever22:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: how is it called in ddwrt?22:21
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DocScrutinizer05so: 1st set your AP to send at least 10 beacons / second. 2nd set DTIM=122:28
DocScrutinizer05kerio: ^^^22:28
kerioi see22:28
keriomy DTIM is at 122:29
ShadowJKWould be interesting to plot poweruse vs beacon interval22:30
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SpeedEvilmm mm.22:32
SpeedEvilbacon interval.22:33
kerioSpeedEvil: 10 bacons/second22:33
SpeedEvilpower use at normal intervals is pretty small though22:33
kerio*at least*22:33
grammoboycould someone hack maetronome and make bpm < 40 possible? 30 is a better starting point22:38
DocScrutinizer05well, most critical problem here to test it: reduce real data transfer to 0, so it won't mess up results22:40
DocScrutinizer05grammoboy: what sucker hardcoded such lower limit into a metronome?22:41
DocScrutinizer05hell, when I use a cumputerized metronome, then there's only one lower limit I'd maybe accept: 0.122:41
grammoboy40 is a common value with 'real' metronomes22:42
DocScrutinizer05doesn't matter22:42
DocScrutinizer055 difits is normal limit of an abacus22:42
DocScrutinizer05sounds like my age old plan to come up with absolutely original slide rule simmulation22:44
grammoboyhm you can fiddle with the signature22:44
DocScrutinizer05anyway, is it qt?22:44
DocScrutinizer05if it is, then odds are the limit is in qt widget and changeable without a single line of patched code22:45
DocScrutinizer05just start qt-designer on the qt GUI of your metronome, check the dial for bpm, and check the lower limit in there. Change it from 40 to 1 and recompile22:46
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grammoboymaybe later22:53
sixwheeledbeastCan anyone help me setup Maemo5 targets in the latest QTSDK?22:59
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sixwheeledbeastfound them23:05
kerioyou're welcome!23:07
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vi__is there a simple method of determining how many minutes of telephone you have used in the month?23:39
keriodon't talk23:39
kerioyou'll then have used 0 minutes23:39
vi__oh your hillarious.23:40
vi__no wait.23:40
vi__the other one.23:40
vi__droll as fuck.23:41
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ShadowJKalso how many minutes at each tariff23:42
vi__ShadowJK: I mean like the gprs data counter.23:43
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