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| freemangordon | the fuck | 00:00 |
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| freemangordon | netsplit :) | 00:00 |
| kerio | freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenode | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yessir | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | var/lib*pt optified | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | var/lib/apt even | 00:01 |
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| Pali | hm, why is IRC network acyclic? | 00:04 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, you need kernel-power from git | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | Pali: from git? | 00:05 |
| Pali | which provides kernel-feature-rx51-battery | 00:05 |
| Pali | yes, I did not rebuilded pre release yet | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | isn't the one in TMO thread ok? | 00:06 |
| Pali | missing provdes line in debian/control | 00:06 |
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| freemangordon | well, is it only the dependensy that is missing? | 00:06 |
| Pali | yes | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | i'll dpkg --force-depends it | 00:06 |
| Pali | ok | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | (or whatever the switch is ) | 00:07 |
| freemangordon | btw which package needs that? | 00:07 |
| vi__ | did anyone who has updated to flash10 have problems with no sound? | 00:07 |
| Pali | hald-addon-bme needs dsme library for compile | 00:07 |
| freemangordon | vi__: lots of people | 00:07 |
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| freemangordon | vi__: just increase the volume | 00:07 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ok | 00:07 |
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| Pali | there is also fake bme-rx-51 package which replace bme daemon | 00:08 |
| Pali | but it is not tested yet | 00:08 |
| freemangordon | Pali: do i need it? | 00:08 |
| freemangordon | ah, ok | 00:08 |
| Pali | for testing hald-addon-bme and libbmeipc not | 00:08 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: how to restart hald-addon-bme? | 00:09 |
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| freemangordon | I didn't find a way when I was playing with it :) | 00:09 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: I have done. On the flashplayer, globally, alsa, everywhere! | 00:09 |
| Pali | for testing you need to stop bme and manually load kernel modules | 00:09 |
| Pali | to restart hald-addon-bme use: | 00:09 |
| Pali | 0. stop hal | 00:09 |
| freemangordon | yes, but how to restart addon without reboot? | 00:09 |
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| freemangordon | ok | 00:09 |
| Pali | 1. /etc/init.d/hal start | 00:10 |
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| Pali | wait | 00:10 |
| freemangordon | too late | 00:10 |
| freemangordon | :D | 00:10 |
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| Pali | stop hal must be called first | 00:10 |
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| Pali | but it only mark hal as stopped | 00:10 |
| Pali | in upstart | 00:10 |
| Pali | but it still running | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | so? killall hald? | 00:11 |
| Pali | so then you need to kill hal (all daemons) manually | 00:11 |
| Pali | ps | grep hal | 00:11 |
| Pali | and kill pids... | 00:11 |
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| Pali | and then use only /etc/init.d/hal | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:11 |
| Pali | do not use start|stop hal --> it is buggy and working only at startup | 00:12 |
| Pali | note that log file is still enabled and hald-addon-bme print it to /tmp/ | 00:12 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:12 |
| freemangordon | so I need bq_battery, bq_charger and rx51_battery? | 00:13 |
| Pali | yes | 00:13 |
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| freemangordon | insmod: error inserting 'rx51_battery.ko': -1 File exists | 00:14 |
| freemangordon | ?!? | 00:14 |
| Pali | rx51_battery is loaded at startup | 00:14 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:14 |
| Pali | automatically, not blacklisted | 00:14 |
| Pali | use modprobe instead insmod | 00:15 |
| Pali | insmod did not loaded dependency modules | 00:15 |
| freemangordon | all is in place | 00:15 |
| freemangordon | power-supply is already loaded because of rx51_battery | 00:15 |
| Pali | modprobe also ignore loaded modules | 00:15 |
| Pali | ok | 00:15 |
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| freemangordon | anyway, everything is loaded | 00:15 |
| freemangordon | what now :D? | 00:15 |
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| Pali | replace hald-addon-bme | 00:16 |
| Pali | and restart hal | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | already did it | 00:16 |
| Pali | so it should work | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | and libbmeipc too | 00:16 |
| Pali | see lshal | 00:16 |
| Pali | check battery status menu applet | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | battery.reporting.design = 1303 | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | battery.charge_level.design = 5172 | 00:17 |
| Pali | check value against /sys/class/power_supply/... | 00:17 |
| freemangordon | ?!? | 00:17 |
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| Pali | give me output of uevent of power_supply drivers first | 00:17 |
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| freemangordon | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=1554556 | 00:18 |
| freemangordon | POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=1338750 | 00:18 |
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| freemangordon | that is bq_battery | 00:18 |
| freemangordon | what else? | 00:19 |
| vi__ | turns out I went full retard. | 00:19 |
| vi__ | silent mode overides everything. | 00:19 |
| Pali | >> battery.reporting.design = 1303 << this is OK I belive | 00:19 |
| vi__ | but media player | 00:19 |
| vi__ | -_-' | 00:19 |
| kerio | *mafw | 00:19 |
| freemangordon | should be, this is standart Nokia battery | 00:19 |
| freemangordon | Pali: a typo "POWER_SUPPLY_MODEL_NAME=chip bq24150a, revision 1.3, vender code 010" | 00:19 |
| freemangordon | in charger, "vender" | 00:20 |
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| Pali | it is not typo :D | 00:20 |
| Pali | Doc already reported it | 00:20 |
| freemangordon | what?!? | 00:20 |
| Pali | vender is correct too | 00:20 |
| Pali | see dict | 00:20 |
| freemangordon | the fuck :D:D:D | 00:20 |
| Pali | and in datasheet is used vender | 00:20 |
| freemangordon | ok,ok | 00:20 |
| Pali | so I wrote vender to driver | 00:21 |
| freemangordon | hmm, POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=39270 | 00:21 |
| freemangordon | is that 39mA? | 00:21 |
| Pali | which driver? | 00:22 |
| freemangordon | bq_battery | 00:22 |
| Pali | it could be | 00:22 |
| freemangordon | hmm, strange, I have only wifi connected | 00:22 |
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| Pali | ah I see, battery.charge_level.design is number 1..8 for standard battery | 00:23 |
| Pali | ~5172/150 | 00:23 |
| infobot | 34.48 | 00:23 |
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| freemangordon | the fuck "HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered" :( | 00:23 |
| Pali | ~1338750/150000 | 00:23 |
| infobot | 8.925 | 00:23 |
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| Pali | ok | 00:24 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, I think I know where is problem | 00:25 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: I think it should be hardcoded to 8 | 00:25 |
| Pali | I think no | 00:25 |
| freemangordon | otherwise battery applet will be confused | 00:25 |
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| Pali | https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement/hald-addon-bme/blobs/master/README.properties#line85 | 00:26 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: ok, will see | 00:27 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: battery.charge_level.current = 0 (0x0) (int) | 00:29 |
| freemangordon | Pali: how often is it polled? | 00:30 |
| freemangordon | 60sec? | 00:30 |
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| Pali | 30s | 00:30 |
| Pali | check log | 00:30 |
| Pali | cat /tmp/bme... | 00:30 |
| Pali | /tmp/hald-addon-bme.log | 00:31 |
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| freemangordon | log looks ok | 00:32 |
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| freemangordon | but battery.charge_level.current = 0 (0x0) (int) | 00:33 |
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| Pali | capacity % ? | 00:33 |
| freemangordon | battery.charge_level.percentage = 0 (0x0) (int) | 00:34 |
| freemangordon | POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=84 | 00:34 |
| Pali | give me full output of hal bme properties (lshal -u /something/bme/...) and all 3 uevent files | 00:34 |
| Pali | to pastebin... | 00:34 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:34 |
| Pali | and also /tmp/hald-addon-bme.log | 00:35 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: hmm, which hal device? | 00:36 |
| freemangordon | bme? | 00:36 |
| freemangordon | aah, ny bad then :D | 00:36 |
| freemangordon | *my bad | 00:36 |
| Pali | some device which has bme substring | 00:36 |
| freemangordon | this one looks almos ok | 00:37 |
| freemangordon | *almost | 00:37 |
| freemangordon | besides: | 00:38 |
| freemangordon | battery.reporting.current = 1304 (0x518) (int) | 00:38 |
| freemangordon | battery.reporting.design = 1297 (0x511) (int) | 00:38 |
| freemangordon | but I think we can live with that | 00:38 |
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| freemangordon | battery.charge_level.last_full = 10 (0xa) (int) | 00:39 |
| freemangordon | looks suspicios too | 00:39 |
| Pali | can you give me full output? | 00:40 |
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| freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/z5qY4gnL | 00:41 |
| freemangordon | Pali: what is the upper temp limit in rx51_battery? | 00:43 |
| Pali | 48°C | 00:43 |
| freemangordon | hmm, too low | 00:43 |
| freemangordon | we should cover at least 60-65 deg | 00:44 |
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| Pali | if value is low, then 49°C is reported | 00:44 |
| freemangordon | you mean if it is above 48? | 00:45 |
| Pali | if RAW value is too low, then 49°C is reported | 00:45 |
| freemangordon | but AIUI there is no way to trigger thermal shutdiwn if we report incorrect values | 00:45 |
| Pali | yes, we need some approximation formula | 00:46 |
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| Pali | but I did not implemented anything... | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | Pali: I sent it to you, do you keep it? | 00:46 |
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| freemangordon | 4th order polinomial | 00:46 |
| Pali | I do not have it | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | hmm, a better idea (doc will like it) | 00:47 |
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| Pali | https://meego.gitorious.org/~pali/meego-device-adaptation/pali-n900_libbme/blobs/master/include/em_isi.h#line1566 | 00:47 |
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| Pali | seems that bars are really 1-8 | 00:47 |
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| Pali | I will change code | 00:47 |
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| freemangordon | i can use some 10th order polinomial to approximate range from -30-90 deg | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | gimme some toime, will pastebin the result | 00:48 |
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| freemangordon | -30 to 90 should be ok, ain't DocScrutinizer05? | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | friggin netsplits! | 00:52 |
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| Pali | but why it reported this??? battery.charge_level.design = 5172 | 00:53 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, can you upload also /tmp/ log file? | 01:00 |
| Pali | I'd like to know why it reported battery.charge_level.design = 5172 | 01:00 |
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| freemangordon | will reboot, to remove the noise | 01:01 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: have in mind that was for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_power_supply_battery_rx51_battery | 01:05 |
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| Pali | ok | 01:05 |
| freemangordon | so it is something in rx51_battery driver | 01:06 |
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| freemangordon | though seems like uninitialized variable, there is no way you can know design capacity in rx51_... | 01:07 |
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| Pali | we can ignore /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_power_supply_battery_rx51_battery | 01:15 |
| freemangordon | Pali: is there any chance to get some measurement at lets say 55 deg? | 01:15 |
| Pali | freemangordon, we can patch twlmadc kernel driver to reported fixed RAW value (set from user space) | 01:15 |
| freemangordon | or even higher? | 01:15 |
| Pali | and then ask BME for converted temperature | 01:16 |
| freemangordon | hmm, yes, you are right | 01:16 |
| freemangordon | no need to do approximation then | 01:16 |
| Pali | yes | 01:16 |
| Pali | but it needs to turn off some mce/dsme/... protection | 01:16 |
| freemangordon | the problem is that depending on ppolinomial order, I get too different values above 64 deg | 01:17 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, I can ask bme devs (again) how to use this API: https://meego.gitorious.org/~pali/meego-device-adaptation/pali-n900_libbme/blobs/master/include/bmeisa.h#line115 | 01:18 |
| freemangordon | well, no need, once we have more points, the approximation should be correct to lets say 80 deg. that should be pretty enough for all practical purposes | 01:18 |
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| Pali | BME sent me some data for ADCIN0 struct bmeisa_adc_cal_data | 01:19 |
| Pali | but I do not know which union is used | 01:19 |
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| Pali | and what that bmeisa_adc_*_conv_cal_par_t means... | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, I just met a RL troll | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (entering troll mode myself) WTF is fixed RAW value | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hope you still have the pastebin URL of my freezer enterprise | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I really think there's no use in any nifty polinomail formula since we got a LUT anyway | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a LUT with *for sure* less than 150 tuples | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 * int16 | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you basically can't implement any decent polinomial in that number of bytes | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you need values for 50, 60 , even 90°C, just take a sheet of paper and extrapolate the curve strictily human-manually | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a) we're not interested in precise absolute values | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | b) there's a noise of like +/-4°C anyway | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | c) if anybody comes claiming we needed a globaly applicable formula, I just answer it's nonsense, since the coefficients for that formula need to come fom board parameter file just same way the 150 tuples for LUT have to | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no, there's absolutely no need to calculate any nonsense like sensor current or whatever | 01:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh we could as well get away with just THREE tuples in LUT: <less-than-raw-input-a> -> "too cold" -> 0°K;<raw-input->a<b> -> "it's fucking alright" -> 290°K; <more-than-raw-input-b> -> "too hot" -> 400°K; | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where "too cold" is like -25°C, and "too hot" is like 70°C | 01:38 |
| GGon | http://www.ipazzport.com/18BR.html | 01:38 |
| GGon | nice | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing else matters | 01:38 |
| GGon | looks like the n900 keypad heh | 01:38 |
| GGon | so that's what nokia did with all those spare parts! | 01:38 |
| GGon | :) | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually make that TWO tuples, since it's just 3 ranges | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 of them open | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes 2 borders aka tuples in LUT | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GGon: I pretty much wish my N900 had THAT keymat | 01:43 |
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| GGon | heh | 01:43 |
| GGon | well yeah. it has the F keys | 01:43 |
| GGon | and esc ;) | 01:43 |
| GGon | caps and tab too heh | 01:44 |
| GGon | nokia should make a wp phone with that :-P | 01:44 |
| Pali | here is BME output for temperature adcin calibration data: https://meego.gitorious.org/~pali/meego-device-adaptation/pali-n900_libbme/blobs/master/include/bmemsg.h#line335 | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware keymat is one coherent component, are you? | 01:44 |
| Pali | 0x05 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x64 0x00 0x34 0x0d 0x2a 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 | 01:44 |
| GGon | one coheren component? | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: sorry, friend. I'm too grumpy right now to even comment on that | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GGon: one fsckng sheet of plastic | 01:46 |
| freemangordon | Pali: hmm, seems like some coefficient, not LUT :( | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or it looks like cell's last cheers and moans | 01:46 |
| Pali | here is union: https://meego.gitorious.org/~pali/meego-device-adaptation/pali-n900_libbme/blobs/master/include/bmeisa.h#line115 | 01:47 |
| GGon | DocScrutinizer05: meh.. i want it for xmbc ;) | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I offer a bet about 12 bottles Klipshift that there's no calibration data for R1110 | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's plain silly to calibrate such a component, with THAT amount of noise | 01:48 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: AIUI we are trying to understand what BME does | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I've always seem *multiple* BME records in CAL | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: maybe you do, I always stated we better refuse to even look at bme since it can't get worse than that | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | search chanlogs foe "<DocScrutinizer> NOOO, pretty please DO NOT disclose BME sourcecode! We don't want to see it!" | 01:50 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: hacking adc raw in twl seems the best option, we'll directly get LUT | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hacking WUT? | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | faking raw register readouts? | 01:52 |
| Pali | ok | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | congrats! | 01:52 |
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| Pali | I wrote this more times! | 01:52 |
| freemangordon | <Pali> freemangordon, we can patch twlmadc kernel driver to reported fixed RAW value (set from user space) | 01:52 |
| freemangordon | yes | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF!!! is a "fixed RAW value"??? | 01:52 |
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| Pali | you tell driver some fixed value | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's nonsense | 01:53 |
| Pali | and driver will report it | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, ok | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nm | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thought you gonna "fix" the raw values reported | 01:53 |
| freemangordon | Pali: seems charging works too, though I would not leave it overnight :D | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then it doesn't work | 01:54 |
| freemangordon | did I ask something? | 01:54 |
| freemangordon | Pali: POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=-426793 | 01:54 |
| Pali | its ok | 01:54 |
| Pali | when charging it reports negatove value | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | I know, i wonder about the value | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | isn't that like 500mA? | 01:55 |
| Pali | -426.793mA | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | connected to wall charger? | 01:55 |
| freemangordon | looks bad to me | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good | 01:56 |
| freemangordon | isn't that supposed to be something like >800mA | 01:56 |
| Pali | it is from bq27200 chip | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *burp* | 01:56 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 01:57 |
| freemangordon | seems I have to take some sleep :D | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_discharge_learn_log | 01:57 |
| freemangordon | we should not overcharge(overcurrent) the battery | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_microcycle_log | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY?! | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pshshst! maybe you missed it: **we can't really overcurrent the battery!** | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since bq24150 doesn't provide more than 0.9C | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 0.8? | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and thanks bq24150 we also can't really severely overvolt the battery | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and I posted same statement some 30 months ago, and nobody except ShadowJK and SpeedEvil understood | 02:03 |
| Pali | freemangordon, I pushed hald-addon-bme change which fix max number of bars to 8 | 02:03 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: ok, will test it tomorrow, going to bed now :) | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably also a board parameter X-P | 02:04 |
| Pali | ok | 02:04 |
| freemangordon | night | 02:05 |
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| * ShadowJK sees 850mA or more charge current with his charge script and power kernel | 05:28 | |
| ShadowJK | can be tweaked between ~100 and 1200ish | 05:29 |
| ShadowJK | higher end only achievable with a good battery that's empty | 05:29 |
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| iluminator105 | where does downloads go to what folder in n900? | 09:54 |
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| jpinx | here's wierd -- I start to rsync some pretty straightforward stuff into MyDocs over usb network, and half-way through it starts trowing errors "ro filesystem" :( | 11:40 |
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| kerio | i doubt rsync is to blame | 11:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | might be poor USB cable | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or fs is generally defect and needs fsck.vfat or a reflash | 12:09 |
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| edheldil | looks like my Rapuyama has died for good, it did not come back after several reboots and cold starts | 12:25 |
| jacekowski | flash it | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | :-( | 12:27 |
| edheldil | it==n900? | 12:27 |
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| kerio | guys, is there a way to diagnose problems with the thumbnailer? | 14:20 |
| kerio | my music has no cover art in the list | 14:20 |
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| rzr | jlol @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1055766 | 14:50 |
| deepy | That's one nice bug report :-) | 14:53 |
| rzr | indeed | 14:54 |
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| kerio | Why is my bug report a "snark", I have in good faith reported what I consider a bug with Ubuntu, namely the functionality that is being added to the GUI is not also being consistently added to the CLI tools that some many of us rely on. | 14:57 |
| kerio | oh god my sides | 14:57 |
| deepy | Oh, it's yours? | 14:57 |
| deepy | oh nvm | 14:58 |
| kerio | no | 14:58 |
| * deepy is not awake | 14:58 | |
| deepy | But that part is brilliant | 14:58 |
| rzr | http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=root | 15:05 |
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| Sicelo | kerio: i don't know how it happened, but some music has some old images as the cover art, lol | 15:45 |
| Sicelo | anyway, try using different tag-editing software for the thumbnails and see. | 15:46 |
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| FIQ | This might not be the right place for the question, but does Network Play functionality in VGB-maemo work on 2 local VGB processes? :p | 19:21 |
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| FIQ | because they seem to both crash when I try | 19:39 |
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| kerio | FIQ: does it work between two different ones? | 19:41 |
| FIQ | you mean 2 different devices? I cannot test it really | 19:43 |
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| FIQ | I tried to start 2 local VGB processes and link them with network play, they seem to 'recognize' each other, as the UI is responsive etc until I connect the second VGB | 19:44 |
| FIQ | in which both crashes instantly | 19:44 |
| FIQ | or, freezes, to be exact | 19:44 |
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| deepy | Screen on and watching movies using headphones | 23:59 |
| deepy | how long do you reckon the battery'll last? | 23:59 |
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