IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-09-24

keriofreemangordon: neat00:00
keriowhat is it doing that i'm not doing? ;_;00:00
freemangordonNFC what are you doing :P00:00
freemangordonkerio: I started it in the times when I was playing with extkbd/extmou. Stock BT applect was missing "connect" button for HID devices00:01
freemangordonfortunately I found a way to write "plugins" to BT applet and to enable "connect" in the stock UI00:02
freemangordonso I stopped btsettingsqt develpment :)00:02
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kerioalright, setting the channel to something that can actually be used as a SP makes things work much better00:03
keriook, i have a serial connection between my laptop and my phone!00:04
freemangordonkerio: using rfcomm or my program?00:05
kerioyour program is useless! >:C00:05
kerioi have a neat way of doing *something* when prompted from bluetooth, though00:05
freemangordonIIRC rfcomm has a parameter to connect SPP00:05
keriofreemangordon: my laptop runs os x00:05
freemangordonkerio: rfcomm on n900 ;)00:06
infobotphonecontrol is probably
keriofreemangordon: nah, just sdptool00:06
freemangordonwell, ok, you may want to program hci, it is even harder :P00:06
freemangordonkerio: what is the device (under /dev)?00:07
keriofreemangordon: it takes the first one if you pass "-1" to it00:07
kerioand you can pass it to a program00:07
* kerio imagines a getty - rfcomm - picocom monstruosity00:08
vi_freemangordon: you know that app search widget?00:09
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vi_the one that presents a list of all the available programs on the n900.00:10
RST38h$5.9 billion spent on repairing broken iPhones.00:10
freemangordonvi_: i've heard of it, but have never used it00:10
RST38h30% iPhone users broke their preciousses in the last year.00:10
RST38hFreaking sect.00:11
vi_when you type in letters on hildn home the device starts searching you phone book.00:12
vi_is that a feature of hildon home or adressbook?00:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you were mostly right00:13
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kerioif i want to do things properly i need to set up some kind of null modem ppp connection anyway00:13
vi_does it just make a dbus call?00:13
kerioso i might as well find a way to set PAN up00:13
freemangordonvi_: yes00:13
vi_can it be altered to call up other things?00:13
freemangordonPali: aah, that way is muuuch better :)00:15
freemangordondid you try it? it should work, but anyway.00:15
Palican you test it?00:15
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freemangordonPali: no KP52 here00:15
vi_the actuall dbus call, is it hardcoded into HD?00:16
freemangordonI was focused on -thumb these days00:16
freemangordonvi_: yes00:16
freemangordonPali: will try to find time tomorrow to test it00:16
Palinow I have better 0xFFFF00:16
Paliit can send and boot kernel00:17
Paliflashing was not tested yet, but initial implementation is done00:17
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you think it's possible to "preencode" music for A2DP?00:26
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DocScrutinizer05umm nope00:26
DocScrutinizer05A2DP is either plain PCM, or mp300:26
keriofine by me00:27
DocScrutinizer05I don't think many headsets support mp300:27
kerioaw :(00:27
DocScrutinizer05ya know, volume etc00:27
kerioi don't care about volume, the volume on the n900 is always at max anyway00:27
DocScrutinizer05well, the manufs care00:28
keriomy headset has its own volume00:28
DocScrutinizer05so I guess you'll have a hard time finding a headset that supports mp300:28
kerioi see00:28
DocScrutinizer05maybe you could find out with some advanced tool of bluez suite00:29
DocScrutinizer05anyway A2DP is a wrapper00:29
kerioso pushing sound through bluetooth shouldn't take CPU00:29
kerioif it's pushing PCM00:30
DocScrutinizer05it definitely will take CPU, for decoding mp3, as that's how mafw works00:30
kerioi mean, there's no compression00:30
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kerioi said "pushing sound through bt"00:30
fizzie"[A2DP] relies on GAVDP. It includes mandatory support for low complexity subband codec (SBC) and supports optionally MPEG-1,2 Audio, MPEG-2,4 AAC and ATRAC", claims
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that should work lightweight00:30
kerioi wasn't talking about the sound production :)00:30
keriofizzie: ooh, so DocScrutinizer is full of lies00:31
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fizzieA "low complexity subband codec", if truly "low complexity", should be... low complexity, though.00:31
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kerio"However in today's practice all high quality audio still transfers over A2DP by means of SBC codec."00:34
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kerioi assume the raw sound data is 44100/16 PCM00:35
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DocScrutinizer05~wiki a2dp00:36
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "A 'Bluetooth profile' is a specification regarding an aspect of Bluetooth-based wireless communication between devices. In order to use Bluetooth technology, a device must be compatible with the subset of Bluetooth profiles necessary to use the desired services. A Bluetooth profile resides on top of the Bluetooth Core Specification and (optionally) additional protocols. While the profile ...00:36
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Palifreemangordon, reason why I suggested to use sockets in libbmeipc is because pipe is unidirectional00:43
Paliyou cannot select/poll for both read and write00:44
Palisocketpair create pair of connected sockets00:44
DocScrutinizer05dang, even SBC is no plain PCM, but anyway that's OTA format, not what you deliver to the BT interface from AP00:45
Paliand you can both read & write on socket00:45
DocScrutinizer05kerio: iirc all the BT chips I've seen so far are connected via IIS/PCM for audio (if embedded)00:46
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DocScrutinizer05the encoding to SBC is done on BT chip afaik00:47
Palifreemangordon you can look here for socketpair implementation:
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DocScrutinizer05well, sockets seem a nice thing, can't see what's wrong with them00:50
DocScrutinizer05and everybody uses sockets ;-)00:50
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, do you know if there is any NOLO/bootloader/flasher/... documentation?00:54
Palior other alternative flasher tool?00:55
DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty sure there isn't00:55
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DocScrutinizer05sure, you know the alternative flasher tool00:55
Paliok, so only 0xFFFF, flasher-3.5 and phoenix?00:56
DocScrutinizer05nevertheless there's a "standard" called dfu00:56
Palibut dfu is not supported by nolo :-(00:56
Paliand no support in u-boot too...00:57
DocScrutinizer05I don't know how much they ripped off from dfu, or how much the forced into dfu to make NOLO/flasher out of it00:57
DocScrutinizer05~wiki dfu00:58
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'DFU' may refer to: * Diabetic foot * Device Firmware Upgrade mode in Apple devices (see also SHSH blob) {{Short pages monitor}}"00:58
DocScrutinizer05yeah :-S00:58
Paliphoenix is windows only SW... is there any way how to sniff usb communication on windows?00:58
DocScrutinizer05but don't ask me what's been the name, you know I'm a windows hater and noob00:59
PaliI was thinking about start windows in qemu, connect usb port to qemu and LD_PRELOAD my library...00:59
DocScrutinizer05nah, there's actually a real tool for sniffing USB01:00
DocScrutinizer05I even used it once01:00
DocScrutinizer05maybe that one:
DocScrutinizer05(first hit on google)01:01
PaliI have small library which print info about libusb functions... I do not need to rewrite usb communication back to libusb01:01
Palibecause library wrap around libusb and print params (+ dump buffer)01:01
PaliDocScrutinizer05, I think that in flasher-3.5 are more buffer overflow01:03
Paliand in fiasco-gen too!01:03
DocScrutinizer05>> From time to time I need to dump usb traffic under windows, mostly to support hardware under Linux, so my primary goal is to produce dump files for protocol analysis. For USB traffic, it seems that SniffUsb is the clear winner... It works under XP and has much nicer GUI than earlier versions. It produce huge dump files, but everything is there.<<01:03
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: haha! :) >>Personally, I'd use qemu or kvm and instrument their USB passthrough code, then use libusb to prototype the replacement driver in userspace (this latter bit I've done before; writing USB device drivers in Python is fun!).<<
PaliI do not know full & correct NOLO protocol, but randomly copy some parts of buffer to other memory (to part of buffer which is sent via USB) is bug01:07
DocScrutinizer05>>1) Since people don't seem to realize it, wireshark does monitor USB traffic, and has a parser for it; but the catch is only under linux. Wireshark on Windows will not do this.<<01:08
Paliand fiasco-gen doing similar. when generating mmc fiasco image it append section with id '4' and size 0, but append data of zeros and sometimes append some previous data01:10
Palithis seems like nokia devs forgot to call memset(buf, 0, size) and writing some random memory to fiasco image!01:10
DocScrutinizer05quite possible01:11
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DocScrutinizer05might be "free blocks"01:11
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Palifiasco is only archive for images, in my 0xFFFF fiasco gen implementation I do not writing any of those random data and both 0xFFFF and flasher-3.5 unpacking fiasco images same01:12
DocScrutinizer05this way you could hide a lot of funny stuff in fiasco images01:12
DocScrutinizer05with plausible deniability01:12
Palithis is reason, why nokia did not released source code to fiasco01:13
Paliit is crap SW01:13
Palifull of errors and bugs01:14
DocScrutinizer05that's why ;-P01:14
Skrywhy this does not surprise me01:14
Palimaybe we can write exploit for flasher-3.5 :D01:15
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if flasher-3.12 is backward compatible and maybe a tad better01:15
Paliflasher-3.5 must run as root, so it is simple :D01:15
Paliflasher-3.12 want to send APE algo image01:16
Paliso you cannot use it for flashing n90001:16
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DocScrutinizer05hey you think of a buffer overflow exploit to root the PC flasher-3.5 is running on? nice!01:16
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GeneralAntillesMWKN is currently 1-story-strong. . . . D:01:16
DocScrutinizer05errr ?01:17
DocScrutinizer05aah, has only one story01:17
PaliGeneralAntilles, you can add info that 0xFFFF version 0.5 was released01:17
GeneralAntillesPali, that's the only story. :D01:17
Paliand new version is preparing01:17
Paliok :-)01:17
GeneralAntillesThere's some election news01:17
GeneralAntillesthat I haven't been paying any attention to.01:17
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DocScrutinizer05I'm afraid we'll see an implosion of council/board on this election01:18
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DocScrutinizer05are we still at 2 brave men standing?01:20
GeneralAntillesGood question01:20
GeneralAntillesI should probably find that out01:20
GeneralAntillesYou know01:20
GeneralAntillesfor MWKN01:20
DocScrutinizer05for 10 positions01:20
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DocScrutinizer05those two are really great candidates, but still01:21
GeneralAntilleswmarone, are you running for council/Hildon Foundation/whatever01:21
GeneralAntillesYou probably should.01:21
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DocScrutinizer05most of the mammoths moved on, now we're facing a scene like after the big impact (60mio y ago) - nobody left to really take on this duty01:24
DocScrutinizer05I'm afraid we'll either see no council/board at all, due to lack of candidates, or we'll get another annoyance01:25
GeneralAntilles10 seats is a lot to fill01:26
DocScrutinizer05I already pondered to forget my hat there, to offer a dummy stand-in with a promise of no more than 2h/week assigned to any related task01:27
DocScrutinizer05just to keep the idea alive01:27
DocScrutinizer05aka make it happen at all01:27
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DocScrutinizer05or: avoid council implosion01:28
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GeneralAntillesOut with a whimper01:28
DocScrutinizer05but then, that was a tad too ... :-S01:28
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Palilook at this patch series: fixes for n900 lirc kernel driver for upstream kernel01:29
DocScrutinizer05I wonder how many already even *noticed* there'll be elections01:30
DocScrutinizer05otoh do we want somebody for board or council who didn't01:30
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jacekowskiwhy do we need whole council for like 5 users that are still left?01:44
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: nice :-)01:55
DocScrutinizer05a pretty good lesson on how patches should get reviewed01:55
DocScrutinizer05s/reviewed/discussed in public/01:56
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: a pretty good lesson on how patches should get discussed in public01:56
DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: seems we even got 5 devels left ;-) So number of users might be a few magnitudes larger. Anyway that's the council statute01:58
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: (re patches) I think they're nice but a tad fresh yet. I'd wait maybe 3 months at least before even considering to do anything with them to KP02:07
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Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: I considered putting my name out there just to have a non-Maemo voice on it, but I really don't have time02:11
Luke-Jrif there's really such a shortage that more are NEEDED, feel free to list me if I can get by without too much in the way of duties02:11
DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: same reasoning here (re time). I'll keep it in mind02:12
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GGonhey... i still use my N900 :-P04:08
GGonand if you're on the council you get free N950s04:08
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Luke-JrGGon: even the new council?04:16
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DocScrutinizer05no more n95008:50
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: why not, as if it is usefull :D08:51
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I am thinking to try to upstream thumb patch, any idea where to look for the process?08:52
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int_uaAnyone seen a thread about running Debian natively on N900? I can't find it09:05
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kerioint_ua: it's not worth it, anyway09:14
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int_uakerio: Why? :)09:22
kerioint_ua: because half of the hardware doesn't work09:23
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Sicelokerio: what hardware doesn't work?09:59
kerioSicelo: phone calls10:00
kerioand last time i heard, the gps was still kinda meh10:00
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* entitled has never made a single phone call with N90010:01
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entitledpurely for ssh. browsing and such10:01
Siceloint_ua: , & look at NIN101's pages .. i forgot the link .. but same place RescueOS lives10:02
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Sicelowhich reminds me.. i must find out how to switch between 2G-3G using ofono for when i'm on debian10:05
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int_uaSicelo: yeah, but no thread on Talks?10:07
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int_uaSicelo: so you have it running natively?10:07
Sicelothere should be, but TMO10:08
Siceloyes, i do :)10:08
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Siceloas kerio  said, phne calls don't work (well), but you can use the modem for internet, which covers my needs.10:10
kerioSicelo: which DE are you using?10:10
Siceloi used E7 at first, but am using Xfce now10:10
keriowhy not hildon? :P10:11
Siceloi haven't seen it packaged for debian, yet. otherwise i would love that, or even plain old matchbox10:11
keriowhy not openbox?10:12
Siceloi'll try that10:13
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keriowhat are you using to right click, btw?10:14
Sicelonothing, lol10:14
keriothen you're not going to like openbox :310:14
int_uayeah, openbox  needs rightclick.10:15
int_uabut there is a workaround10:15
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int_uaSicelo: something with xorg.conf hacking10:15
Sicelothanks. 'll have to google that. fact is, i have nfc about some deep things10:17
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keriodeepy: btw, i just realized that without fixing the kbd slider, you can't use portrait mode11:35
deepyI didn't know there was a portrait mode11:35
deepyTime to get a soldering iron, eh?11:36
kerionote that it's mostly useless11:36
kerioimo it's only useful with openmediaplayer11:36
kerioto choose a song with one hand11:36
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deepyoooh, that reminds me11:45
deepyI gotta find some SFW show so I can test the battery life and the stan11:45
deepyat the same time11:45
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keriodeepy: fun fact: works on microB12:01
kerioand that's a website that makes netbooks choke12:02
deepyalso it sounds incredibly fishy :P12:03
keriomicroB is "Web"12:03
keriothe default browser12:03
kerionah, it's legit12:03
deepyThe website still sounds fishy12:03
kerioit's not exactly sfw, though12:03
deepyEver since the copypaste incident of '11 I'm not opening websites that involve the word 'cam' when I'm not at home12:04
keriooh, job12:05
deepypffff all you want12:05
deepyI'll pffffff harder12:05
deepySent a PC to the wrong country12:05
* deepy whistles12:05
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keriodeepy: could you wrongfully send a PC to my house?12:06
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deepykerio: you can already virtualize ten of these12:06
keriowell, i do need a home server...12:06
deepywhat do you intend to do on that home server?12:07
deepyI know of $19/yr VPS12:07
kerioi already have one, but it's kinda bad12:07
keriofile storage and torrents12:07
kerioand DNS tunneling12:08
deepyDNS tunneling is so 80s12:08
keriou jelly12:08
deepyI'm at work chatting to you from a server in Sweden12:08
deepyOne of us is getting paid during this conversation12:08
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deepyI just sent two monitors to a girl12:16
deepytwo WIDESCREEN monitors12:16
deepyI'm sitting here with a flickering 19"12:16
deepyNot fair :-(12:17
Cor-Aisluta slöa! börja jobba!12:17
deepyI am working!12:18
Cor-Aisure! ;)12:18
deepyJust sent a battery to someone12:18
Cor-Aisweet, to me? i need one to my oqo01!12:18
deepyIt's a pity it'll only fit x200s/x20112:19
deepyBut hey, it's a 9cell Li-Ion!12:19
Cor-Aiim cleaning my bellybutton :D12:20
keriodeepy: send us technology12:20
keriofor free12:21
deepykerio: I can get you a job here12:21
deepyfor pay12:21
kerioi'd have to work12:21
keriothat sucks12:21
deepyDoes it look like I am working?12:21
deepyI played nethack half of my time here12:21
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kerioplay FTL!12:30
deepyI don't know what that is12:30
kerioa cute game12:31
deepyI heard it's a roguelike in space12:31
kerioit's a roguelike-like12:31
keriopermadeath, randomly generated map and encounters, fairly constant challenge throughout the game12:31
deepyIt seems like I may enjoy dwarf fortress more12:33
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Paliso not working...12:49
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kerioPali: how's the bme replacement project going?13:16
Palikerio, hald-addon-bme is implemented and tested by me - forking fine13:16
Palikernel modules bq2415x_charger, bq27x00_battery and rx51_battery working fine too13:17
keriowhat does it use?13:17
Palilibbmeeipc is implemented, but not tested yet13:17
Palibme-rx51 (meta)(pseudo)package is written too, but not tested13:17
Palihald-addon-bme is used by more programs (also 3rd party)13:18
Paliit export battery & charger properties to HAL13:18
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Palifor example default nokia battery status menu plugin13:18
Paliall 3rd battery widgets, ...13:18
keriohow is it packaged?13:19
Paliin deb package13:19
Palieach package has same name, same library/binary as original nokia13:20
keriodid you make a fake /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51? :O13:20
Palilibraries export same function names & binaries export needed interface13:20
Pali/usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 was removed, not needed13:21
Palino application/library using it13:21
kerioi'm still not convinced that your "bme-rx-51" should be called like that13:21
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Palioriginal bme-rx-51 has 2 system files: 1) event.d script 2) bme binary13:22
keriodoes the rest of the stuff fail gracefully if the modules aren't loaded?13:22
keriokinda like if bme wasn't running13:22
Palioriginal event.d script start charging (spawn bme and wait for soemthing...)13:22
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Palinew event.d script start charging too (it load kernel modules)13:23
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kerioPali: does it touch /etc/bme-disabled or whatever checks?13:23
Palino, was changed to check if new version of bme-rx-51 is installed13:24
* kerio groans13:24
Palievery old nokia bme package has version << 1.013:24
Paliand every bme replacement version is >= 1.013:24
Pali(if somebody for some unknown stupid reason want to increase version of bme packages - he can - but not higer than 1.0)13:25
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Palikerio, you can look at project page:
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Skrykerio: guess what? sbc decoding and encoding binaries actually exists for C64x dsp.13:54
keriowhat's sbc?13:55
SkryBluetooth low complexity, sub band codec13:59
Skrythe a2dp talk from yesterday, remember?14:01
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keriooh right14:07
keriowell, if sbc is done by the bt chip...14:07
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ZogG_laptopJaffa: sup14:11
ZogG_laptopJaffa: i like to read your sad morning tweets :P14:12
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PaliSkry, do you know about aptx bluetooth codec?14:12
kerioPali: almost nothing supports it :(14:12
Paliis there any specification?14:13
PaliI see that my bluetooth headset has support for aptx14:13
Palibut I did not find anything about aptx codec...14:13
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SkryPali: not much.14:16
kerioi bet it's something not open14:17
Skrythere are products that use c64x dsp for the encoding but it's very proprietary stuff14:17
Skryyeah, not open at all14:17
Paliso there is no way to encode aptx on n900?14:18
Skrynot that I know about it14:18
Palior are there any ti dsp binaries for that?14:18
Skrynot from ti at least14:19
SkryPali: you could try to ask them for some info if there is binary for c64x
Skryand you have the skills for userspace parts14:20
Paliwhat c64x mean?14:21
Skryn900 uses TMS320C64x dsp/isp14:21
Skryc64x+ to be more exact14:24
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freemangordonSkry: do re really need DSP codec node for SBC?14:28
freemangordonbluetoothd has nice NEON optimized codec14:28
Palifreemangordon, how is dsp binary codec connected to system?14:29
freemangordongstreamer that is. though TI-OMX could be used too14:30
Paligst-dsp has special code for each codec?14:30
freemangordonbecause each codec has different set of parameters :)14:30
Paliyear ago I saw project for theora support14:30
Palithey created dsp codec binary14:30
freemangordonhmm, IIRC it was DSP side14:30
Skryfreemangordon: no i dont need one, we just had this talk about it yesterday14:31
PaliI do not know state of that project, but will be possible to use it?14:31
SkryPali: I tried to search for that one, disappeared :\14:31
freemangordonPali: it could be usefull, but is there any problem with MPU side theora codec?14:32
freemangordonall this talking reminds me that it is time to return to gst-dsp :)14:33
freemangordondevelopment that is14:33
PaliSkry, I found link for that theora binary:
Palibut where is source code I do not know...14:35
Palibut I remember that source code was in some git repo14:35
Palibut on my hdd I cannot find it14:35
PaliI found only that dll64P and link14:35
keriofreemangordon: we don't even know if it's the CPU that does the sbc conversion14:37
kerioit could be the bt chip itself14:37
Palihere is original post:
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Palinice, thanks!14:42
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Palifreemangordon, so for testing (and comparing) we only need gst-dsp binary which will use that theoradec.dll64P?14:46
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Skryi think you need to make theora specific code for gst-dsp first?14:48
Palihm... there is theora code for gst-openmax:;a=summary14:51
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Paligoogle's android has modified bluez which support aptx codec via library libbt-aptx-4.0.3.so14:57
Palisearch for or libbt-aptx-4.0.3.so14:58
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freemangordonPali: in theory yes, though it depends for which DSP BIOS is codec node compiled for15:14
freemangordonkerio: SBC on n900 is done through MPU, look in bluetoothd source code15:15
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Paliwe have source code of theora dsp codec. can we recompile it for our dsp bios?15:15
freemangordonaah, never tried to recompile DSP codec. AIUI is is a tough job :)15:16
JaffaZogG_laptop: Glad I can provide :-)15:19
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entitledHow do I get audible bell working with terminal?17:29
entitledin ssh to irssi shell..17:29
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entitledbells and all it's settings should be ok17:30
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Lava_Croftentitled: not sure it can even do a bell18:12
Lava_Croftxterm on the n900 is pretty, say, underwhelming18:12
yang_I decide to install maemo on moto me863 ,where can I download the source code of maemo 5?18:13
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freemangordonyang_: Nokia servers?18:18
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entitledlava_croft: yeah, I figured. I looked it up before and found it impossible but my friend claimed he had done it before.. but he confused it with something else18:27
ZogG_laptopJaffa: it's just always something bad happens to you and when i read i just imagine you cold to what saying and just informing sarcastically18:28
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DocScrutinizer51Lava_Croft: yeh, no bell in osso-xterm. But just maybe you could train bash to do some tricks on seeing ^G18:37
DocScrutinizer51in the end it all will call paly-sound <somefile.wav>18:38
DocScrutinizer51sorry Pali18:38
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jk4hello. I'm looking for a handbrake settings with great quality that will work on both my xbox 360 and n900. anyone have one of these presets?19:46
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jk4depsite looking at page on and trying some of those presets, they didn't work for me19:46
jk4and this assumes the generic presets aren't worth using19:46
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jk4i want to encode some dvds that i want to get rid of because they take up far more than compressed video19:47
jk4for more space*19:47
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freemangordon~seen zeq19:49
infobotzeq <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1:e6ec:10ff:fe9a:d418> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 11d 2h 47m 2s ago, saying: 'hi freemangordon'.19:50
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DocScrutinizer05toldya, he ran with his sponsored N900, probably to Mexico20:03
freemangordonyeah :(20:03
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Skryjk4: h264 baseline 3.0, aac audio, mp4 container, target size 700-140020:10
jk4i tried the baseline and it didn't work20:10
jk4always seem to get either something like invalid media format or bad audio codec20:12
jk4in so many words..20:12
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Skryjk4: I think there was some problems with (weighted?) b-frames but dont remember anymore exactly, also try dropping baseline level, and ofc autocrop and 2-pass encoding.20:16
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jk4actually saw that post already20:21
Skryand I ment _use_ autocrop and 2-pass encoding20:21
jk4maybe i did something incorrectly20:21
Skryweighted p-frames needs to be disabled too20:22
jk4these mostly affect file size, yes?20:23
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Skryusually everything affects quality, if you dont care about file size you can just crank bitrate to whatever insane value you like :)20:24
Skryanyways, i need to go but if you dont get h264 working, use mpeg4 simple profile20:25
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jk4what audio mixes does n900 support?20:33
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kerioif you don't care about file size you can just flac dat shit20:33
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jk4i prefer flac,but i doubt xbox supports flac20:37
jk4have to go lowest common denominator for audio sadly20:37
jk4could still add a flac version of audio..20:38
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jk4flac option doesn't seem to be enabled.. huh..20:38
DocScrutinizer05jk4: and don't OC or undervolt!20:43
DocScrutinizer05since a barfing up DSP/GFX-accel will cause exactly same msg20:44
jk4OC? Undervolt? :)20:45
DocScrutinizer05well, nm then, better you don't know ;-D20:46
infobot[omap-oc]  read that!, or and this
infoboti heard oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s20:46
infobot"OK, listen up.  This is your CPU."  apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan.  "This is your CPU on overclocking.  Any questions?"20:47
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keriojk4: you can pump up the dsp if you overclock21:09
keriobut it's kinda dangerous21:09
jk4that's not what i want21:09
keriothat's usually not what people want, unless they want 720p recording/playback21:10
keriobut, as DocScrutinizer05 said, overclocking can also give out error messages21:11
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DocScrutinizer05Foxcon workers win Guinness award for largerst mass battle since british hools21:11
keriowhat happened?21:12
DocScrutinizer052000 engaged in a wresting battle21:12
DocScrutinizer05they must have real masses of strong beer there21:12
keriooh, i was hoping it was a mass riot21:13
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it was21:13
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myuu__they left the place wrecked21:14
myuu__is there any footage?21:14
DocScrutinizer05mass punchup21:14
asemhello guys, does anyone have running in microb? its just loads infinitly here21:14
kerionever worked properly for me, i use m.21:15
kerioor the main site21:15
kerio(it loads perfectly fine)21:15
asemok thanks21:16
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kerioyou might be luckier with opera mobile or fennec21:16
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asemdont open in pera mobile (says something about xml error) and i dont like fenec as its slow and unmaintained anymore i think21:18
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kerioasem: well, do i have a treat for you!21:33
keriothumb-compiled fennec 17 for FREE*21:33
kerio(*: must install cssu-thumb)21:34
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asemkerio: i will check it out, thanks man :)21:36
keriocomplain to freemangordon for any problems21:37
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* DocScrutinizer05 would feel happy if kerio was a tad more reasonable and user oriented with his recommendations.22:03
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* vi__ would appreciate $50 and a blowjob.22:06
kerioDocScrutinizer05: to be fair, fennec thumb-compiled is almost usable22:06
keriovi__: you can find a blowjob and $-50 together, often22:06
vi__apt-cache policy blowjob22:07
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Raimusudo blow_me22:08
keriounzip && mount && fsck && sleep22:08
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DocScrutinizer05to be fair (to users you don't have any F*ing clue about ther level of experience), your suggestions was like "here's some funny substance, it is warm all the time and emits blue light in the dark. See what you can do with it"22:09
DocScrutinizer05"but uh, here's that extremely heavy shirt, you'll like it"22:10
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RaimuAt least the lead clothing was provided. :p22:11
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vi__kerio: lol, what did you do know?22:11
kerioDocScrutinizer05: but maybe we'll get a thorium fluoride reactor out of it!22:11
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keriovi__: a dude was complaining about fennec being slow, i suggested fennec from cssu-thumb22:12
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vi__kerio: reasonable suggestion.22:13
kerioi know, right?22:13
vi__I assume you framed it by noting the caveats of using cssu-thumb?22:14
RaimuRequires a metric fuckton of caveat emptor, but whatevs.22:14
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keriovi__: ...maybe22:14
RaimuAnyone try that port of the Webkit browser on the n900 -- Doobie?22:18
Raimu* Dooble22:18
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vi__great another half finished soon to be abandoned port.22:22
vi__shall I file it with midori, tear or helium?22:23
qwazix__Is there something I should know before trying pali's u-boot with cssu-thumb? I think installing kernel-cssu-bootimg should be enough?22:26
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Raimuvi__: I guess Tear served the 8xx well, though.22:32
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vi__I never had an 8x0.22:33
vi__Although I liked the size better22:33
qwazix__wtf is !!Linux kernel for power user (boot Image) breaks the 3rd party package policy?22:34
kerioqwazix__: some HAM bullshit22:34
qwazix__hmm... now infinite loops come to my mind.22:35
qwazix__If I force install it, and then I want to update cssu-thumb, I'll find it in front of me, and I'll have to remove bootimg, but if I have u-boot, bootimg is essential22:35
qwazix__apt-get indeed doesn't complain. I'll risk it.22:36
freemangordonqwazix__: what?22:37
freemangordonwhich version is that?22:37
qwazix__the one in devel, let me see22:37
freemangordonno,no, cssu-thumb you have installed?22:37
qwazix__ah, latest22:37
freemangordonnot the kernel :)22:37
qwazix__no wrong. 5.1+thumb022:38
freemangordonhmm, installing KP should not break it22:38
keriofreemangordon: he wants to install the bootimg22:38
kerionot the flasher22:38
qwazix__I'm not installing KP, just kcssu bootimg22:38
freemangordondoes not matter22:38
freemangordonwhich 3rd party policy?22:39
freemangordonit should be listed under "problems" tab22:39
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qwazix__oh, I always forget problems tab, I already installed it, let me remove it and check again22:40
freemangordonqwazix__: BTW you should have either KP or KCSSU flasher installed22:40
freemangordonotherwise it won't work22:40
kerioHAM has a weird thing where third-party packages can't depend on exact versions of packages listed in the metapackage22:41
kerioit can be ignored via redpill22:41
qwazix__It's installed22:41
qwazix__the flasher, that is22:42
freemangordonbut you have problems installing bootimg? WTF?22:42
* qwazix__ is waiting patiently for HAM to do whatever is doing22:43
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vi__kerio: wtf, r u high?22:43
freemangordonqwazix__: though it should be a bit faster with -thumb you have installed22:43
keriovi__: ?22:43
vi__qwazix__: I predict you will be waiting some time.22:44
qwazix__yeah, it is much better, but with devel enabled it's still slow. I wonder if somebody has hidden code to compute fractals inside HAM22:44
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kerioapt 4 lyfe, yo22:45
qwazix__the problems tab has the following extremely useful information22:45
qwazix__Unable to install 'Linux kernel for Community SSU (boot image for u-boot and multiboot)'22:46
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kerioit's because the 3rd party policy is half-assed22:46
qwazix__I'll upgrade to latest cssu-thumb and try again22:47
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qwazix__freemangordon, ^^ (problems tab)22:48
vi__ham can suck my nuts.22:48
vi__I must make a confession.22:48
vi__I installed thumb by usihg apt.22:48
vi__I know.22:48
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vi__I wish xterm worked properly.22:48
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freemangordonqwazix__: yeah, saw it22:49
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freemangordonanything in the HAM log?22:49
qwazix__where's the HAM log?22:49
freemangordonin the menu22:49
qwazix__"Checking for updates, please wait"...22:50
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qwazix__Except the same error message about breaking 3rd party policy, there is a load of errors "Ignoring version from wrong domain: libsdl-mixer1.2 1:1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp322:54
freemangordonqwazix__: hmm, something is wrong there22:54
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freemangordonwhat does apt-get upgrade say?22:55
freemangordonBTW i'll try to install -bootimg on my seconde device, lets see hot it will go here22:56
infobotfreemangordon meant: BTW i'll try to install -bootimg on my seconde device, lets see how it will go here22:56
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qwazix__libqtm-12-whatever, libsdl-mixer1.2, mypaint, mad-developer kept back, mp-fremantle-community-pr, busybox power, dosfstools and some apps to be upgraded22:58
qwazix__I'll upgrade cssu-thumb and try again after the upgrade23:00
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freemangordonqwazix__: no problem here :(23:02
qwazix__hmm, I had the same problem when trying to upgrade cssu-thumb, and removed bootimg by hand. DrFrostDk on tmo had the same problem IIRC23:03
freemangordoncould it be libqtm?23:03
qwazix__anyway, I can live with installing bootimg with apt-get, but I am curious if the same thing will happen next time I upgrade cssu-thumb23:04
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freemangordonqwazix__: 5.1-thumb0 to 5.1-thumb1 should have no problems (and it does not have here)23:04
DocScrutinizer05I really missed it :-D23:04
qwazix__It doesn't seem to have any problems here either. (without the bootimg)23:05
DocScrutinizer05I mean, typing "matrix" into some URL, if that's not geeky then I dunno23:05
qwazix__DocScrutinizer05, I missed it too especially after PR1.whatever where it was the only way for me to install debs outside of the repos (had no idea of dpkg then)23:06
freemangordonqwazix__: hmm, that is really strange. it could be that HAM plays it smart and tries to autoremove cssu-kernel-flasher. though i can see a reason why it want to do that, -bootomg does not provide kernel-feature-errata-...23:06
freemangordon*i can not see23:07
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the hackerbox is a lot geekier23:07
qwazix__freemangordon, I am in thumb1 successfully, flasher is still installed, let's see what HAM says about bootimg23:10
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kerio"WARNING: Red Pill is not intended for use by users, power-users, nor the vast majority of developers. Red Pill mode is very likely to break your tablet and should not be used unless you know exactly what you are doing."23:11
keriobut rootsh is totally fine, isn't it23:11
qwazix__kerio, I love the message that sudo gainroot spits out without rootsh installed...23:12
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* kerio just optified /var/lib/apt and /var/lib/dpkg23:22
kerio66MB free on rootfs23:22
keriowith a size of 228MB, so it's more like 8023:22
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qwazix__freemangordon, still not installable neither kcssu-bootimg, nor kp-bootimg23:30
freemangordonqwazix__: NFC :(23:30
qwazix__it's probably some apt-spaghetti I've got on my device. Nevermind.23:30
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freemangordonPali: ping23:54
Palifreemangordon, pong23:54
freemangordondo i need anything else installed besides hald-adon-bme and libbmeipc?23:55
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freemangordonto test libbmeipc and hald-...23:55
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freemangordonhmm, hald-addon-bme depends on libdsme0.2.0-dev.23:56
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hm, why aren't /var/lib/{apt|dpkg} optified by default?23:56
freemangordonkerio: they are23:56
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freemangordonat least /var/lib/apt23:57
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keriofreemangordon: no it's not23:57
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kerionot by default23:57
freemangordonapt -> /opt/var/lib/apt23:57
keriobut i distinctly remember *making* that23:58
freemangordonthis is on a freshly flashed device23:58
kerioare you sure?23:58
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freemangordonyes, I am, I flashed my second device 1-2 weeks ago23:59
keriothis is madness23:59
freemangordonkerio: NFC23:59
kerioDocScrutinizer05: check iron900 pls23:59
freemangordonPali: do i need anything else installed besides hald-adon-bme and libbmeipc?23:59
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