IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-09-15

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DocScrutinizer51sandisk Extreme Pro: 16GB, 80MB/s read  74MB/s write00:53
DocScrutinizer51even *if* this card sucks terribly on random r/w it still has to be kinda above par?00:54
DocScrutinizer51NB  MB not Mb00:55
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GGonthe cssu update requires nokia pc suite?00:57
GGonwhat's up with that?00:57
tadzikdid you see GENERAL NOTICE?00:58
tadzikit says "update operator name widget first"00:58
GGoni don't really even use the N900 anymore since hte modem died01:00
GGoni don't even know why i'm going through the trouble01:00
DocScrutinizer05maybe because you love maemo and N900 so much?01:01
GGonyeah :'(01:01
GGonwish the damn thing worked01:01
DocScrutinizer05(btw N900 are kinda el-cheapo now, when you can find any on fleabay)01:01
GGonnot cheap enough to buy a 3rd one01:01
kerioyeah, 150€ for a tiny linux computer is really not a lot01:02
kerioespecially a tiny linux computer merged with what is, after all, still a fairly decent phone01:02
GGonyeah they are01:02
GGonwow what happened?01:02
GGonpeople just trying to dump them now? :)01:02
GGonlast i checked they were like $30001:02
DocScrutinizer05other fools spend 600 bucks every year, just to have the right digit after the "iPhone" brandname01:02
keriowell, at some point in the past nokia hired a new CEO...01:02
DocScrutinizer05I'd rather happily spend 150 bucks every 3 months01:03
DocScrutinizer05for a new used N90001:03
GGonbut i have att now01:03
GGonno 3G :-/01:03
keriomind you, 150€ was for a *really* new used phone01:03
kerioGGon: see, your problem is that you chose not to be in europe01:03
GGonkerio: hahaha!01:04
GGoni didn't choose that ;)01:04
GGonnot enough battery power?01:04
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GGonand my meter is at like 75%? :)01:04
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keriosrsly though, what's with the US of A?01:05
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GGonwho knows01:06
kerioawful mobile infrastructure, data caps on home connections, mitt romney...01:06
DocScrutinizer05(75%) yeah there's some weird battery check in HAM, for system updates01:06
GGonkerio: obama01:06
GGonkerio: canada is worse with their cell networks ;)01:06
GGoni think it's an America thing01:06
keriocanada is also worse with their prime minister, or so i heard01:06
DocScrutinizer05blame Canada!01:06
GGonwe have a socialist govt nowadays01:07
GGonUSA.. the new Greece01:07
kerioanyway, phones in general are fscked in the US01:07
keriohell, you guys pay to *receive* stuff01:07
GGoni want a lumia 92001:07
* GGon hides01:07
DocScrutinizer05unlike Greece, the USA never had any scruple to print as many $$$$ as they need01:08
kerio(stuff = phone calls and SMSes)01:08
GGonDocScrutinizer05: you might want to do some research on money printing and try again ;)01:08
keriobitcoins are the future anyway01:08
keriono, seriously01:09
kerioit's a fucking brilliant concept01:09
DocScrutinizer05GGon: I just have to listen to Grenspan01:09
GGonso is communism :)01:09
DocScrutinizer05or what's his name01:09
kerioyes it is :c01:09
GGonor something like that?01:09
GGonn900 rebooting!01:10
DocScrutinizer05he even blamed Europe not to do the same01:10
GGonwith new cssu!! wooo!01:10
DocScrutinizer05well, now we do01:10
keriophone is still busted though01:10
GGonjust stab and twist huh?01:11
kerio*pat pat*01:11
GGonat least i can use it to irc from the toilet or something :-P01:11
tadzikI watched a Star Trek episode on mine today, debian maintainers apparently screwed up mplayer recently01:12
DocScrutinizer05so almost as good as N810, which I used like 4h every day, for almost 2 yeras01:12
DocScrutinizer05years even01:12
GGonis there a way to disable the modem altogether?01:12
GGonie: not make it try to access the sim and go into like NIT mode or something?01:13
GGon(CSSU feature request?)01:13
DocScrutinizer05yeah, called tabölet mode01:13
DocScrutinizer05yes really01:13
GGonwhere is that??01:13
DocScrutinizer05app in extras-*01:13
DocScrutinizer05links into power button menu01:13
GGonno way01:13
DocScrutinizer05next to airplane mode01:13
GGonwow wtf. this whole time?01:14
GGonmy battery was probably getting murdered by it continuing to try to access the sim01:14
GGondoes it rid me of that no sim icon?01:14
kerioit doesn't get rid of the space, though01:14
GGonbut it does actually disable the modem right?01:15
kerioyeah, it does01:15
GGonit's not just some hackery to disable warning msgs?01:15
DocScrutinizer05will try hard to do so, yes01:15
kerioafaik it's a weird function that's already there, there's just not a menu entry for it?01:15
kerio#maemo saves the day again! ^_^01:16
GGonjust finished installing it :)01:16
GGonkerio: haha01:16
GGonyeah the battery was probably gettin gmurdered by the sim requests by the modem01:16
DocScrutinizer05constant reboots of modem might kill battery, yes01:16
kerioi wonder if it can be repaired01:16
GGonit would be cheaper to just buy a new one01:17
kerioi imagine the modem chip is kinda hard to come buy01:17
GGonnot seeing a "tablet mode"01:17
GGonwhen i get the power button menu01:17
kerioGGon: killall... something01:18
kerioor reboot, i guess01:18
DocScrutinizer05I guess you need a H-D restart (aka boot)01:18
DocScrutinizer05killall hildon-desktop01:18
GGonmight as well use a windows phone :)01:18
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GGonlumia 920 has build in induction charging01:18
kerioreally? :O01:18
DocScrutinizer05do "killall hildon-desktop" on a windows phone! ;-P01:18
keriothat would be seriously neat01:19
DocScrutinizer05kerio: yes, it has01:19
DocScrutinizer05Qi standard01:19
keriogoddammit why am i still plugging cords01:19
keriohm, i wonder if it could be done on the n90001:20
GGonAdditionally, the Lumia 920 supports built-in wireless charging and near-field communications. Nokia will offer its own charging plate, but design company Fatboywill sell a wireless charging pillow as well. Virgin Atlantic plans to install wireless charging pads in its Heathrow Airport lounge, and Coffee Bean will install wireless charging pads in its shops. JBL will sell a speaker dock called PowerUp, which charges the phone wirelessly and pairs through NFC.01:20
DocScrutinizer05and Nokia pushing so every publish shitbooth gets a charger integrated01:20
keriohow think is the phone part?01:20
GGoni'm surprised apple didn't do it first ;)01:21
GGonlike MS with their keyboard smartpad for their win8 tablet01:21
GGonapple is slipping01:21
GGoni am still not seeing this menu option01:21
DocScrutinizer05I recently heard Jobs took the reality distortion field with him. Or was it the other way round?01:21
GGonall i see is offline mode01:22
DocScrutinizer05hmm, weird01:22
kerioGGon: :s01:22
kerioto be fair sometimes i used to not get it, on my old n90001:22
kerio...when the modem crashed for some reason01:22
kerioOH THE IRONY01:22
GGonwell i don't get the menu option to disable the modem in the power button menu01:23
GGonis there somewhere else i can activate the tablet mode?01:23
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, phonecontrol is
DocScrutinizer05dbus-send --system --type=method_call /com/nokia/phone/SSC boolean:false01:25
DocScrutinizer05for your convenience01:25
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DocScrutinizer05you might want to add --print-reply01:26
kerioGGon: don't leave us hanging like this!01:31
DocScrutinizer51GGon: if you want to go for it, there are for sure more smart ways to tweak system in a way so it never even powers up the modem01:31
kerioDocScrutinizer51: like what?01:32
kerio(also, what's 05?)01:32
DocScrutinizer51alas I'm sill looking for the O'Reilly book 'maemo unleashed' to answer this question in detail01:33
kerioi'd buy it01:33
keriofor 2€ shipped01:33
Macerok still no menu :)01:34
kerio3€ for maemo unleashed + harmattan unshackled, in a bundle01:34
* Macer sigh01:34
Macerhope the modem is off heh01:34
kerioactually, i'd even pay about tree fiddy for it01:34
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DocScrutinizer51Macer: check dmesg/syslog01:34
DocScrutinizer51kerio: I'll tell you what to pay if we ever run into each other01:35
Maceri dont even think i have syslog running01:36
DocScrutinizer51I bet you oew me 2 beer already01:36
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: hrmpf :c01:38
kerioso you're just doing it for the booze? D:01:38
Macerneed to eat01:38
GGondamn opera is awesome01:39
keriomeh, keep the tally, i'll pay for it01:39
GGonat least full opera is01:40
GGonmobile/mini not so much01:40
kerioGGon: meh, opera mobile on the n900 is kinda useless01:40
GGonwell.. i guess mobile/mini opera isn't too bad01:40
GGonbut is lacking a "copy link" option for links01:40
kerioi only keep it there to be able to say "i've got three browsers on my phone"01:40
GGonon my windows and linux boxes opera is all i've been using01:41
GGonit's chrome sans google01:41
kerioGGon: oh, so you're one of *those*01:41
* kerio looks at GGon with disgust01:41
GGonan...... opera user? :)01:42
GGonwell... ie sucks.. ff sucks almost as bad as ie.. chrome is google sucking up every bit of information on you they legally can...01:42
GGonso opera is all that is left :)01:42
GGonunless you get other off brand ones01:42
DocScrutinizer05Konqueror FTW01:43
GGonrekonq wasn't too bad but has a lot of issues still01:43
kerioDocScrutinizer05: oh you01:43
GGonDocScrutinizer51: heh01:43
GGonsafari was/is shit01:44
GGoni'm a big fan of never having redundant stuff... so i only allow 1 browser on anything01:45
Skryrekonq was a positive surprise01:45
GGonSkry: it still needs work ;)01:45
GGonbut renders better than konqueror nonetheless... i haven't used it in quite a while tho.. just like opera01:45
GGonopera can rival chrome easily01:46
Skryactually I didnt notice anything that needs work in it, some minor rendering issues and few crashes but nothing that big01:46
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DocScrutinizer05open windows[number(tabs)]: system-monitor; Konsole[2(10)]; Konqueror[25]; Konversation[1(20)]; Ding; Kwrite[7(10)]; FireFox[3]; Okular[3]; Yast; LibreOffice01:46
GGonwhy the firefox? :)01:47
DocScrutinizer05some BS crap needs FF01:47
GGonSkry: i haven't used it in a long time01:47
GGonDocScrutinizer51: like zimbra? :-P01:47
GGonzimbra was so fail01:47
GGoni think in the last 10 years .. minus nokia.. zimbra was probably the biggest let down i encountered01:48
GGonand the touchbook01:48
DocScrutinizer05like Linksys wrt54G router01:48
GGoni still hope that damn frog choked on my money for getting that piece of shit01:48
GGonreally? my wrt54g rendered fine in konqueror01:48
GGonit's quite basic01:49
GGoni'm running ddwrt on it01:49
DocScrutinizer05not reallly01:49
GGonopera works with it ;)01:49
GGoni haven't ran into anything yet opera can't handle.. and i was expecting to find something on day 101:49
DocScrutinizer05yeah ddwrt will prolly work01:50
GGonDocScrutinizer51: i'm sure their interface is pretty much the same in the wrt54g series01:50
GGoni actually got a newer dual band router but wound up still getting shit speeds so jjust brought it back01:50
GGonand went to my 54g01:50
GGonat its solid 2MB/s :-/01:50
Skrypff, time to mentally murder self with pvr sgx drivers01:50
GGonsgx drivers?01:50
GGonnot that old chestnut :)01:51
DocScrutinizer05hey, wrt54gl case is built to stack them. WTF?01:51
DocScrutinizer05I mean, who would stack WLAN AP?01:52
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DocScrutinizer05not only would it be insane regarding antenna interference01:53
DocScrutinizer05also: WHY?01:53
jonne|reconnectei'd like to be able to stack all my internet stuff01:54
DocScrutinizer05they better had provided any sane means to bolt the crap to the wall01:54
jonne|reconnecteright now i have an wrt54g and my ISP's completely unstackable DSL router01:54
jonne|reconnectetakes up a ridiculous amount of space01:55
SkryGGon: Yeah, sgx, the one in N900. Trying to get those to build and maybe even work with later kernels. Well, modules build, 2d works on framebuffer but everything else pretty much fails, including Xorg.01:55
DocScrutinizer05jonne|reconnecte: just wrt54gl is no DSL router, it's a 4-switch with 802.11g01:55
jonne|reconnectedid i say anything that would make one assume i thought it wasn't?01:56
DocScrutinizer05if you switch off the WLAN in one of two, you get a stack of a wlan-rouetr-switch with a switch :-S01:56
DocScrutinizer05I see no sane usecase in such a stack01:57
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DocScrutinizer05GGon: how do you like ddwrt? is it oppering advanced configuration? like "cron for ifdown/ifup"02:00
DocScrutinizer05proper NAT02:01
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DocScrutinizer05or maybe a better question: what's the recommended version?02:37
DocScrutinizer05or is maybe openWRT the better alternative?02:37
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Skrythis SGX stuff is wicked03:12
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SkrySDK grabs * from drivers/gpu/drm and adds it's own device add and remove mechanisms in drm.ko :S03:14
SkryI think that should be done within driver03:14
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GGonDocScrutinizer05: i always stuck with ddwrt03:19
GGonbut they are for the most part the same03:20
DocScrutinizer05I'm just swearing how to configure that shit without losing internet via true active router03:20
DocScrutinizer05do they really need to run DHCP on that useless brick?, do they really think it has to assign most common LAN addr to itself, for configuration purposes?03:22
DocScrutinizer05 couldn't it first check if maybe there's already a DHCP out there, and gently accept what this other DHCP assigns to it?03:23
DocScrutinizer05ooh, it seems it actually does (when you connect to switch via WAN port), but then it's not responding to that addr / on that port03:24
DocScrutinizer05so I need a dedicated (probably not connected to internet) PC to run web config interface on this crap :-(03:25
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DocScrutinizer05not that it would differ in this regard from any arbitrary other brand of router03:26
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: DSL?03:41
jon_yI just skip the router and bridge it directly03:42
jon_ysomehow a lot less crash prone03:42
jon_yno more waking up in the morning to find router needs rebooting03:42
jon_yobviously you'll need to handle the security implications yourself03:43
DocScrutinizer05well, I haven't seen router freeze during last say 5 years. But obviously your suggestion doesn't meet my requirements to serve ~10 devices, half of them via WLAN03:43
jon_yI see03:43
jon_yI put wlan/lan on another segment though03:44
DocScrutinizer05otheriwse I'd appreciate much to have direct control of WAN traffic, rather than filtered reality by router03:44
jon_yso uncrashable PC goes in between modem and lan segments03:44
jon_yawesome to have 2 NICs03:45
DocScrutinizer05indeed, and unusual on laptops03:45
jon_yoh, you have a laptop?03:45
* DocScrutinizer05 just tested that docking station's NIC disables the one in Lenovo T50003:46
jon_yI suppose a switch can do the same03:46
jon_ymodem doesn't need to be IP addressable btw if in bridge mode03:46
jon_yjust level 2 is workable03:46
jon_yI forgot the name of the bridge protocol, it's a level below IP03:47
jon_yor rather, it's the same, so it does not depend on IP03:47
DocScrutinizer05yeah, ARP/MAC whatever03:47
jon_yyeah, in wireshark03:48
jon_yyou can see it broadcast to ask for a concentrator on the segment03:48
DocScrutinizer05I doubt any of my switches will do that03:48
jon_ydumb switches do MAC level, so its good03:48
jon_y*MAC level routing03:49
* DocScrutinizer05 only has "smart switches" ;-)03:49
DocScrutinizer05aka routers03:49
jon_yuh, they insist on IP level routing :(03:49
jon_yI suppose you can plug the modem and your laptop into the same lan side ports03:50
jon_yso they are on the same segment03:50
jon_yassuming your router doesn't isolate each dhcp client03:50
DocScrutinizer05usually not03:50
DocScrutinizer05there might however be issues with local loopback03:50
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jon_yhow so?03:51
DocScrutinizer05err, right, modem has no IP, not even public one03:51
jon_yright, the auth is at the MAC level03:52
DocScrutinizer05PPPoE I guess is the buzzword03:52
jon_yif your modem has a web configure page, it'll no longer be accessible03:52
DocScrutinizer05it hasn't03:52
jon_yjust reset it to factory if you need to reach it03:52
jon_yyeah, PPPoE03:52
jon_yawesome the N900 has a PPPoE client too03:53
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jon_yiirc routers also crash if you have major interference about03:53
DocScrutinizer05I actually ponder to try and connect to friggin wrt54gl via WLAN and WPE or what's the name of this abomination03:53
jon_y2,4GHz cordless phones03:53
DocScrutinizer05this push-button pairing03:55
jon_ywifi protected setup?03:55
jon_yI just disable it, since it's known to be insecure03:55
DocScrutinizer05I'll do the same, just to flash ddwrt to the brick03:56
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DocScrutinizer05I'd rather like to use N900 WLAN than to diconnect my main PC from internet/ router03:56
DocScrutinizer05nfc if it would even work to flash firmware via WLAN03:57
DocScrutinizer05this is really soooooo :-S03:58
jon_yI had to use this weird setup mainly because of the dodgy router03:58
jon_ydon't want to loose my irc/torrent connections if router needs rebooting03:58
DocScrutinizer05all those routers are for noobs to do config from a windows-CD when unconfigured router already connected to DSL modem and PC03:59
DocScrutinizer05and thus PC has no internet connection but pretty easy access to rouer config page04:00
jon_yI never touch those ISP CDs04:00
DocScrutinizer05me neither04:00
DocScrutinizer05but the IP / DHCP problem remains the same04:00
jon_yin my setup, the PC is always on, so it stays on a fixed IP04:01
jon_yof course, you'll need to range limit your DHCP04:01
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DocScrutinizer05the irony: when I connect the WAN port of the router-to-config to an arbitrary port of any of my switches, it receives valid IP from my DHCP master, but of course the router-to-config doesn't allow access to config webpage via wlan port04:02
jon_yethernet lan ftw :)04:03
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jon_yI never trusted wlan for anything important04:03
DocScrutinizer05not WLAN04:03
jon_y> config webpage via wlan port04:04
DocScrutinizer05oops, my fault04:04
jon_ysome config page don't allow over wlan changes04:04
DocScrutinizer05doesn't allow access to config webpage via WAN port04:04
jon_yyeah, it's quite normal04:05
DocScrutinizer05but it's sooooo annoying04:05
jon_yI've seen this issue before04:05
jon_yyeah, you'll need something downstream to change it04:05
jon_yI think the config page should have a exception page for it04:06
jon_yadd IP exceptions04:06
DocScrutinizer05I need a downstream PC that happily asks the dead-end-router to share a DHCP lease, so I can talk to 'my master' on
jon_yyou can actually dumb down the router by disabling it's DHCP and plugging everything into the lan side04:08
DocScrutinizer05and since that's the most common IP addr after, of course there's NO way to keep internet connection while doing so04:08
jon_yI did this once for a router with a destroyed WAN port04:08
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jon_ystruck by lightning04:08
jon_yiirc wrt64gl can be told to relay IP addresses and bridge WAN/LAN ports04:09
jon_ywhich might be what you're after04:09
jon_y*relay DHCP04:09
DocScrutinizer05yeah, all pretty fine, but *I can't talk to that shit brick*04:09
DocScrutinizer05since it's nailed to, the same adress my live router is using04:10
jon_yI'll just take it down and connect it to an un-networked PC to configure it04:10
DocScrutinizer05that's exactly what I initially moaned about04:11
jon_ywell, you need to do this once only04:11
DocScrutinizer05you're sure about that?04:12
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DocScrutinizer05I need to download further firmware, wikipages, whatnot04:12
jon_yyeah, just tell it to use or tell it to relay04:12
jon_yI don't normally do firmware flashing04:12
jon_ywell, maybe you can change your DHCP config instead of the router?04:12
DocScrutinizer05and I can't swap my whole network to 192.168.2.x on the fly - you know, 10 clients, not all of them I have even access to04:13
jon_ynope, no idea how to proceed without any disruptions04:13
DocScrutinizer05several have even fixed IP04:14
jon_ya spare PC to do configuration would be pretty nice about now04:14
DocScrutinizer05entries in /etc/hosts04:14
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DocScrutinizer05still would lack internet, but yes04:15
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* DocScrutinizer05 inspects CF-29 for presence of RJ-4504:15
DocScrutinizer05here we are04:16
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DocScrutinizer05wow, I probably had preferred to work and buy a fritzbox from the earned money ;-P05:15
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, on CF-29 I can switch between WLAN (internet) and 10BT-ethernet(config the wrt54gl) somewhat conveniently05:16
DocScrutinizer05so it wasn't that much of a hassle as I expected05:17
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: thanks for heads-up :-)05:17
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DocScrutinizer05GGon: tell me you've read _all_ of first post on
DocScrutinizer05a goddamn master thesis05:31
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jpinxfor the last dozen or so reboots the filesystem is being mounted read-only. How can I fix this?09:46
jpinxn900 maemo09:46
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Sicelojpinx: am on the move.. can't help. but the issue has been discussed on tmo10:04
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jpinxSicelo: thanks - I'll survive till a more convenient time ;)10:07
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: your fault for not using 192.168.42.x for your real network :D11:24
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kerioohai Pali11:56
kerioPali: have you found things in kp52pre to fix?11:56
Paliwhat to fix?11:59
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kerioPali: i don't know, something to change - if you think that prerelease is going to be the same as the next release, i'll install it right away12:58
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dhbiker_shit ...13:30
dhbiker_noone has 5800 or X613:31
dhbiker_i think i'm forced to do that DO NOT DO stuff :(13:31
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keriowhich thing?13:45
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dhbiker_charging the battery somehow13:48
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keriowell, how are you going to do that?13:52
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do bl-5js have builtin overcharge protection?13:54
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dhbiker_around 5V with limited amps .. somewhere around 500-800mA13:56
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dhbiker_for short time13:56
kerioDocScrutinizer05: help13:57
keriodhbiker_: anyway, this is what happens if you overcharge a li-ion:
dhbiker_i know what happens13:58
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keriodhbiker_: anyway, iirc the flatbat recovery charges a lot less than that14:00
kerioand you only need slightly more than that14:00
* dhbiker_ googles if any mobile store is open today in his city14:01
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kerio"excuse me, do you have a nokia 5800 that i can borrow?"14:02
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dhbiker_ooh one is open but long walk from here14:02
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dhbiker_bbl hopefully they have any compatible phone *crosses fingers*14:04
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JaffaX-Fade: Just sent an email to about a feed URL change. Dunno if it's still monitored, tho'14:29
JaffaX-Fade: Ah, no. It goes to quim.gil@nokia.com14:29
JaffaX-Fade: raised14:32
povbot_Bug 12667: "Aggregate your blog" link points to which bounces14:32
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: right, right, and right15:05
kerioright what?15:05
DocScrutinizer05right, my fault, and all the other stuff15:05
* kerio goes to look at the logs15:05
keriooh right, the subnet15:06
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: no, even with 80MB/s read and 74MB/s write you still have no idea whatsoever of the performances of random r/w15:06
kerioin fact, most of those "ultra" cards with epic sequential r/w suck *more* at random r/w15:07
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DocScrutinizer05[GENERAL NOTICE] when updating to new cssu-t5.1 you *must* update operatornem widget _first_, and HAM will install useless catalogs to your list that you shouldn't touch (no, alas those catalogs are not even removable)16:08
DocScrutinizer05[GENERAL NOTICE] when updating to new cssu-t5.1 you *must* update operator name widget _first_, and HAM will install useless catalogs to your list that you shouldn't touch (no, alas those catalogs are not even removable)16:09
jacekowskino need to repeat16:10
DocScrutinizer05no, I as well coul've used s/xxx/yyy/16:10
DocScrutinizer05but I don't think the " <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: " prefix is really helpful here16:11
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* DocScrutinizer05 ponders to switch to cssu-s16:15
DocScrutinizer05or rather, just cherrypick upgrades from cssu and otherwise stay away from it completely - "quality is of paramount importance to CSSU" PFFF16:17
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keriodhbiker: how did it go?16:43
dhbikernobody has it :/16:45
dhbikerone friend told me that he will take his 5230 an 5800 to me.. but he's not sure if they work or not16:46
dhbikerso hopefully i'll have better luck with that16:46
keriowell, at least now DocScrutinizer05 is here and he can tell you that feeding current to the battery yourself is a bad, bad, bad idea16:49
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DocScrutinizer05no, I'm not here. I have to think about my future involvement in cssu16:52
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qwazixI am trying to gather some info about settings usage for mocking up how the settings application should be. If you've got five minutes please answer some questions
qwazixs/application/application in nemo/16:56
infobotqwazix meant: I am trying to gather some info about settings usage for mocking up how the settings application in nemo should be. If you've got five minutes please answer some questions
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nzeroxhey guys, i have ssu-stable installed, is it possible to update to testing?17:30
Palinzerox, yes, just click on testing icon on wiki17:32
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nzeroxPali: thank you17:32
nzeroxPali: i have the stable installed, will that cause problems17:36
PaliI dont think17:36
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nzeroxi'll try it, lets see what happens, lol17:39
nzeroxpoo maemo site is running so slow!17:44
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Ikarushey, silly Q, anyone remember how to refuse Ovi terms and conditions but still enable to use the phone18:28
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Ikarusah, simply reboot it :)18:31
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DocScrutinizer05Ikarus: if you already ran into that requester, you're probably just one boot away from sending this cherry SMS nevertheless18:49
DocScrutinizer05Ikarus: please check wiki for cherry, and see:18:49
infobotjrtools is, like,
DocScrutinizer05and package "notmynokia"18:49
IkarusDocScrutinizer05: yeah, it sent it anyway, even though I did not agree to it18:50
DocScrutinizer05and remove SIM until you finished all this18:50
Ikaruswonder if that means I can sue Nokia under EU privacy legislation18:50
Ikarusthey have acquired private information of me without my permission18:50
DocScrutinizer05probably you can. And I'd actually love you seeing to do it18:50
Ikarusyeah, it's just a burn of money though18:50
Ikarusat best I'll get my right and my cost of the process back18:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: to be honest i think the removal of cherry is enough18:51
kerioyou don't really need notmynokia18:51
Ikarusand they'll get a slap on the wrist18:51
Ikarusthere is no legal penalty in the Netherlands other then being told "Don't do that again"18:52
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Ikaruswell, effectively18:52
Ikarusnow I have to go retweak my whole N90018:52
DocScrutinizer05that's the problem18:52
Ikaruswas without one for uh, a year or so18:52
DocScrutinizer05hey :-D18:52
Ikarusand every other phone felt so damned retarded18:53
DocScrutinizer05welcome back to the club then!18:53
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Ikaruseven faster more modern phones18:53
kerioIkarus: install CSSU18:53
kerioand then cssu-thumb!18:53
Ikaruskerio: planning to18:53
Ikarusbut first I need to restore my backups and make it feel like home again18:54
DocScrutinizer05kerio: while CSSU-Stable is actually recommended for everybody now (I wonder how long that will hold true), you should refrain from suggesting to indicriminately install cssu-thumb or even cssu-t18:54
IkarusDocScrutinizer05: actually I was planning on trying cssu-thumb18:54
IkarusI know quite well what I am doing18:55
DocScrutinizer05no objections18:55
DocScrutinizer05just make sure you know what you're doing, and keep BM backups ;-D18:55
Ikarusbut yes, it is not for all at the moment18:55
Ikarusand yes18:55
DocScrutinizer05right now cssu-thumb is kinda... messed up18:56
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon is working hard to sort things out18:56
freemangordonyep, everything but -mp think ig uploaded, I am installing the stuff on my -devel device to see if it will survive the reboot :D18:57
IkarusI wonder if Nokia included any of the circuitry to use the in wire control on their headphones on the N90019:00
Ikarusbtw, any recommendations on mediaplayers, webbrowsers, etc with respect to the original applications and what got developed by the community to improve over it19:03
kerioIkarus: openmediaplayer over mediaplayer19:03
kerioand there's a way to make everything open OMP instead of the default19:03
kerio(it still uses mafw/gstreamer and tracker)19:03
Ikarusoh and what is the state of calendar syncing ?19:08
kerioidk, i use isync19:08
Ikarusheh, I'm trying to got to sync to ics files and possibly caldav server, without using Google19:09
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Ikarushrm, is deadslow here19:14
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Ikarushmmm, openmediaplayer still doesn't allow for aspect ratio changes :(19:17
Ikaruswhich is annoying as alot of videos I stream have a badly encoded aspect ratio19:17
Ikarusguess I should create a little patch so it can optionally shove the aspect ratio fixer gstreamer plugin in19:18
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Ikarusand the same for subtitles19:18
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kerioIkarus: aren't those cpu-only?19:20
Ikaruskerio: yes, which is slightly inefficient, but so much easier then trying to do multiple things on the DSP19:21
keriowell, i suppose that a linear transformation isn't *that* expensive19:22
qwazixIkarus, there's a package for subtitle support for regular media player, Idk if it works on omp19:23
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Ikaruskerio: actually you can also do it at a different point in the pipeline19:24
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Ikarusby manipulating the X11 Xv buffer, which is accelerated on the GPU19:25
Ikarusand that comes at almost no cost19:25
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dhbikerkerio: seems like luck is with me... i didnt even know that my mother has C3 which has exactly the same battery xD20:20
kerioyay =D20:20
dhbikerat least something20:21
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DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: \o/20:40
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: snatch away her battery then! ;-P20:41
dhbikerly my thought :D20:41
kerionah, charge yours20:42
dhbikershe has it for 4 months20:42
DocScrutinizer05pro tip: mark one of both20:42
dhbikeri always do that DocScrutinizer05 ;)20:42
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fredrinLaprunning thumb update script...21:47
keriofredrinLap: please report success and/or failure in #maemo-ssu21:49
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paviWhats wrong with website ?  The CSS is not getting loaded ! Is it my specific issue or everyone else is facing the same?23:26
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keriopavi: it's Elop's fault23:26
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pavikerio, oops the server infrastructure is taken down reently by nokia ?23:30
pavias promised :(23:30
keriono, it's not23:30
paviahh not yet !23:31
pavia small noob question , I have Qt SDK installed , if I make a QML app . How to get it working on maemo without qml viewer as a native one , do I defnitely need scratch box?23:33
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paviI am talking of maemo in n90023:34
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