IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-09-14

vi__what does do??00:01
SpeedEvilfrom memory, its a statistics thing00:02
vi__what for?00:04
SpeedEvilto measure process startup time to first ui idle call00:04
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vi__wtf is the point?00:05
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SpeedEviloptimising CPU use00:07
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vi__easy debian chromium-browser...00:10
vi__...not bad00:10
keriois there a proper chromium for maemo?00:11
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vi__there was but it got abandoned due to legal issues.00:13
keriolegal issues that everyone but us dodged?00:14
vi__dunno, ask jacekowski00:16
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DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: duh :-o00:32
* DocScrutinizer05 learnt something new \o/00:33
SpeedEvilthis is very hazy memory00:33
DocScrutinizer05just when I was about to start thinking "this might get boring"00:33
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DocScrutinizer05LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/sp-startup-time/ app-to-run00:37
DocScrutinizer05vi_:  ^^^00:37
DocScrutinizer05OMFG chinook00:38
DocScrutinizer05this been one or two releases before diablo?00:38
DocScrutinizer05C = D--00:39
DocScrutinizer05so one before diablo00:39
keriowhat's e?00:39
DocScrutinizer05for some reasons some chars are banned00:39
keriobut that's the same letter as my name!00:39
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if RC0 been named "atrocity" or "atrophy"00:41
kerioyou mean maemo 1 or maemo 200:42
kerio1 doesn't have a codename, 2 is mistral/scirocco/gregale, 3 is bora, 4 is chinook/diablo, 5 is fremantle00:43
kerioaccording to wikipedia00:43
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DocScrutinizer05 (1.0.0) Gregale     (2.0.0) Bora     (3.0.0) Chinook     (4.0.0) Diablo     (5.0.0) Fremantle00:44
keriowhat's that?00:44
keriohow do i vote for deletion?00:45
keriohehe, who added CSSU there?00:46
DocScrutinizer05Starting from Bora the release names will be alphabetical, E and G have been excluded from this progression for various reasons (see Presentation by Quim Gil at LinuxTag 2007).00:47
kerioin Codenames00:47
DocScrutinizer05WE ARE FAMOUS!!! \o/00:47
DocScrutinizer05Elephanta is an awesome name00:49
kerioit was thp00:49
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DocScrutinizer05wtf libmeegotouch on N900?
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: :nod: - but... any application using it yet?01:31
DocScrutinizer05and how?01:31
merlin1991don't know, the guy who uploaded libmeegotouch is working on a harm -> fremantle compatability layer01:31
DocScrutinizer05I mean... is it a toolkit like qt?01:31
DocScrutinizer05MTF date/time-picker for sure more sane than fremantle qt standard01:33
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DocScrutinizer05aka F*CKING slotmachine01:33
merlin1991libmeegotouch is a widget library on top of qt widgets01:33
merlin1991which can be styled with css files01:33
DocScrutinizer05ohnoes, so even the MTF timepicker will be a slotmachine on fremantle?? :-o01:34
merlin1991how should that work?01:34
DocScrutinizer05dunno, just shocked01:34
merlin1991fremantle timepicher is hildon/gtk, it would have to be a very very weird coincidence that it looks similar in any way01:35
DocScrutinizer05when I heard "on top of qt"01:35
merlin1991well *nokia* fremantle apps are 90% hildon/gtk01:35
merlin1991actually I don't know a single core application that would be in qt01:35
DocScrutinizer05HARM qt(m) apps have slotmachines worse than fremantle01:36
merlin1991harm has a really nice datepicker01:37
DocScrutinizer05in MTF, yes01:37
merlin1991well you're talking about the harm qml apps01:37
merlin1991those have bad timepickers, that's true01:37
merlin1991though someone released a proper qt component to be used from qml that works like the mtf one01:38
DocScrutinizer05qtm/qml wtf idunno01:38
merlin1991 would be the thing01:38
DocScrutinizer05yeah, seen it and already forgot that awesome work01:38
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DocScrutinizer05since I'll probably never touch HARM again01:39
merlin1991though it's kinda sad how they changed the stock timepicker in pr1.201:39
merlin1991before that you practically had 2 wheels which you draged around, now it jumps to the point you click at01:40
* merlin1991 should find the offending commit and revert it in the lib01:40
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ShadowJKPali: bme might start at 550mA, but it goes up eventually (unless dc adapter is crap, unless battery bsi reading is crap)03:06
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ShadowJKPali: bme set 100mA termination in original firmware, after original firmware, around PR1.3, a kernel change was made which increased minimum power consumption while on charger by 60mA, thus the bump by 50mA in charge script. This kernel change is reverted in power kernel, so there I actually use 50 myself.03:07
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, ang guess what's eating those 60mA!  musb-hdrc staing active while on charger, since.. duh, it might turn out it's a USB host that only took like 3h to start ENUM (don't ask me why such host has D+/- short though)03:31
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: yeah, and guess what's eating those 60mA!  musb-hdrc staing active while on charger, since.. duh, it might turn out it's a USB host that only took like 3h to start ENUM (don't ask me why such host has D+/- short though)03:31
ShadowJKiirc it was for some weird charging usb hub03:34
ShadowJKthat doesnt exist in real life03:35
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rvs1stany n900 coming out???05:25
rvs1stsome kinda version05:26
robbiethe1stUh, why would you think that?05:26
robbiethe1stN900 was/is awesome. And would own windows phone if it had a bit of polish... which means Nokia can't release it(their loyalty being bought by Microsoft)05:27
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rvs1stcrazies if they only knew how much tech ppl would love to tweak there phones05:49
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Skrywell, there is still a lot of tweaking to be done with n900, so get tweaking :)05:52
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jpinxcheap-shit chinese batteries :S06:19
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jpinxgood for only about 10 recharges06:20
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DocScrutinizer05jpinx: hm?06:38
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: bought chinese 1320ma/h battery here and it was great for a month ;)06:39
jpinxbut it was only approx $706:39
DocScrutinizer05impurities in chemistry and poor sealing can both cause that06:40
jpinxyea - it's a chinese make --  not likely to be good quality  - I knew it when I bought it - but it was great while it lasted  ( she said ;)  )  haha06:41
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SpeedEvilalso using rice paper as the seperator.06:53
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DocScrutinizer05hey, that's almost too smart for el Qaida07:13
DocScrutinizer05one stupid asshole gets some money from them, hires some american actors to do a terribly stupid and disgusting film insulting "the prophet", publishes this video in nternet, shouts I'm an Aegypt and I'm a coptic christian, and disappears07:15
DocScrutinizer05I bet some "imam" told him that's a special form of jihad and Alah will forgive him and appreciate his fighting against the western devil07:18
DocScrutinizer05then for all those muslims who still don't get it, some other el Qaida supporters spread the news that american gvmt's censorship accknowledged that bullshit video07:20
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jpinxSpeedEvil: anything is possible....  it's chinese ;)08:13
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jpinxwhat's the cl to get an accurate reading of battery charge state?08:18
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DocScrutinizer51*accurate* takes much more than one cmdline08:37
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DocScrutinizer51if you meant 'detailed' then lshal|grep batter08:38
DocScrutinizer51if you really need accurate then the cmdline is even shorter, but takes quite some preparation work: bq27200.sh08:40
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stardivinerHow to add extra-testing and extra-devel repository from command line instead of manually write from package manager ? (I want to do this in script.)09:39
LaoLang_coolstardiviner, sorry I don't know, I added them into /etc/apt/sources.list and use apt-get update :)09:41
stardivinerLaoLang_cool: that's it.09:41
freemangordonstardiviner: you'd better put a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/09:42
LaoLang_coolstardiviner, no, I think they are not the same09:42
freemangordonHAM uses its own repo settings09:42
stardivinerfreemangordon: I found one file hilden-applicatio-manager in sources.list.d/09:43
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LaoLang_coolI see a file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/: hildon-application-manger.list09:43
LaoLang_coolDont' know if HAM use it09:43
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freemangordonI know, but it gets overwritten whe you start HAM09:43
stardivinerLaoLang_cool: HAM use it,09:43
LaoLang_coolstardiviner, as freemangordon said, maybe it don't do what you want :(09:43
stardivinerfreemangordon: can not write from script ?09:44
freemangordonstardiviner: what?09:44
stardivinerLaoLang_cool: But I do not want to always manually add it after a flash, (even flash is not happen offen)09:44
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, I tried to put a file containing some repos in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, but it doesn't take effect when apt-get update, what else am I missing?09:44
LaoLang_coolstardiviner, I understand you, it's annoying to do that09:45
LaoLang_coolsorry I can't help you09:45
freemangordonLaoLang_cool: NFC, that is what I use here when I need something from extras-devel09:45
freemangordonit should work09:45
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, NFC?09:45
stardivinerLaoLang_cool: I checked that file hildon-application-manager.list, It has lines which I added repos manualy in HAM. I think I can do it in script.09:46
infobotwell, nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications09:46
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LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, the file should be rename to foo.list?09:46
LaoLang_coolwith a suffix .list09:46
LaoLang_cooloh, I got it09:46
freemangordonyep ;)09:46
freemangordonstardiviner: makes no sense to mess up with hildon-application-manager.list as HAM will overwrite it09:47
freemangordonstardiviner: you'd better use microb to browse to and click on "install repo" links09:47
freemangordonor keep a links on your desktop, 2 clicks and you're in09:48
stardivinerfreemangordon: it is not as good as do it in script. Because I want to a lot of actions in one script, remove useless default games package, install new packages, and do gconf etc.09:49
LaoLang_coolstardiviner, you should use apt-get for that09:49
LaoLang_coolI use it, and it works09:50
stardivinerLaoLang_cool: of course, apt-get09:50
stardivinerLaoLang_cool: but apt-get can not add repository, so I want to echo "repo address" >> hildon-app..-manager.list file09:51
LaoLang_coolstardiviner, apt-get purge for removing application, and apt-get install afor installing application09:51
freemangordonstardiviner: you don't need to touch  hildon-app..-manager.list09:51
freemangordonstardiviner.list will do the same09:51
LaoLang_coolstardiviner, echo "repo address" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/myapt.list09:51
freemangordonif put in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/09:51
stardivinerfreemangordon: LaoLang_cool the file exists before I append new repos to it, HAM use it by default.09:52
LaoLang_coolstardiviner, I know it would good if you could add repo address into HAM, but before you find a solution for it, you can try the way of apt-get09:52
freemangordonstardiviner: well, it is up to you after all :)09:52
stardivinerLaoLang_cool: how to use apt-get to add repository ?09:53
freemangordonHAm does not use it, it creates it09:53
freemangordonstardiviner: on the side not - why do you reflash ocasianly?09:53
LaoLang_coolstardiviner, echo "your repo address" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/stardivnerlist09:53
freemangordon.list is importatnt09:54
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, a typo ;p09:54
LaoLang_coolthank you for correction09:54
stardivinerfreemangordon: some times, some packages need to run dpkg --configure -a , but this command can not fix the problem , then I can not figure out solution09:54
freemangordonso you reflash?09:55
LaoLang_coolMy question is, how to invoke contacts app to show a particular contact's detail from cli?09:55
freemangordonLaoLang_cool: did you look at dbus phonebook api in wiki?09:56
LaoLang_coolsomething like: osso-abook -g LaoLang_cool09:56
freemangordonno, it should be dbus call09:56
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, could you point me to the link please?09:56
LaoLang_cooldbus is ok09:56
freemangordonhmm, lemme google for you :P09:56
LaoLang_coolthanks, actually I don't know much technoledge :)09:57
LaoLang_cooloh, I have checked that link09:57
freemangordonnothing in there?09:57
LaoLang_coolnothing relative to what I want09:57
LaoLang_coolI will check if it has updated since last time I read it09:57
freemangordonLaoLang_cool: you may want to check what hildon-desktop does when you type while on desktop09:58
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freemangordonthough i am not sure if it is h-d or h-h09:58
LaoLang_coolwhat is h-d or h-h?09:59
freemangordonhildon-desktop hildon-home09:59
LaoLang_coolI don't know how to check it on desktop09:59
freemangordonnaah, check in the sources :)09:59
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LaoLang_coolI am just a normal user... ok, give it up :(10:00
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, I don't know where is the source, and how to look for and read it ...10:01
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freemangordonLaoLang_cool: your dbus interface if
infobotfreemangordon meant: LaoLang_cool: your dbus interface is
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, so?10:09
LaoLang_coolI don't know about it :(10:09
LaoLang_coolCould you give me an example please?10:09
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freemangordondbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call /com/nokia/osso_addressbook string:"a"10:13
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LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, cool, thank you!10:22
LaoLang_coolI think it should be added to the wiki10:22
freemangordonwell, add it :P10:22
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, how to append a <return>?10:23
LaoLang_coolI want sth like: "LaoLang_cool\r"10:23
freemangordonbut but10:23
freemangordonyou cannot have "\r" on the address book10:23
LaoLang_coolit will append "\n"...10:23
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, I want to simulate a click action10:24
freemangordonaah :)10:24
freemangordonno idea10:24
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LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, any other command except
freemangordonopen_group, though I don;t know what it does10:25
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, just this one? because is for appending string, I want to do a refresh search, no appending10:26
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LaoLang_coolI mean I want to do a new serach10:26
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freemangordondon't know10:28
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LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, anyway, thank you, appending also does very helpful!10:32
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freemangordonLaoLang_cool: you also may want to chaeck how is an contact added to desktop10:35
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LaoLang_coolwhat is afk?10:38
infobot[afk] Away From Keyboard10:38
LaoLang_cooloh, enjoy!10:38
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ShadowJKjpinx; I have a "Japod" from, it's pretty darn good (1400+ mAh)11:33
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keriohm, the akku polarcell is 1520mAh11:35
keriothat's neat11:36
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kerioit costs 13€ though11:37
ShadowJKand when you say "is" do you mean 1520 is writtre11:37
ShadowJKwritten on it?11:37
keriono, when i say "is" i mean 1500 is written on it and dr_frost_dk tested it for 152011:40
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keriodeepy: also, wtf do you want, you don't have a n900 yet!11:41
kerioShadowJK: so... yeah :)11:45
deepyI have an extremly powerful phone!11:46
deepyI can probably emulate two N900s with it11:46
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deepyFor the full two hours that the battery holds!11:46
keriowhich phone is this?11:46
deepyIt's an LG11:47
keriobitch please11:48
deepy4X HD11:48
deepyI really like it, except three things. the battery life, the call volume and the battery life11:48
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keriofun fact: googling "lg 4x" gives you the graph of log(4*x) first11:48
deepythat graph shows the battery usage pretty well11:49
keriodeepy: it's a quad-core 1.5ghz11:49
kerioyou can probably emulate 9 or 10 n900s11:49
deepyat first it's like invincible, but then it escalates quickly and the last 5% work out well11:49
deepykerio: not with that battery no11:49
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vi_It runs android,11:50
deepyNo it crawls android.11:50
vi_It does not fully support the CPU powersaving modes.11:50
keriothat's silly11:50
vi_While leaking your private data everywhere like an incontinent dog.11:50
deepyvi_: get me a N900 at a price I can afford here in Ireland and I will change11:51
keriodeepy: how much does the battery last, in standby?11:51
vi_deepy: North or south?11:51
deepyin standby I am not sure, I tend to use my phone during the day11:51
kerioand don't think the n900's battery lasts a lot11:51
deepyBut I need to charge it when I get home after work11:51
deepyI charged it before a party that was on a Friday, on saturday morning it was out of battery11:52
deepy20m call-time and three texts11:52
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keriothat's a bit silly, yeah11:52
vi_deepy: I do not know about the ROI but you should be able to pick up a good N900 for around £1500 maximum.11:52
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vi_deepy: Sounds like you have some crap that is wasting your battery life.11:53
vi_No phone is that bad.11:53
deepyvi_: to give you some insight11:53
keriodeepy: i paid 150€ for an almost-new n900 before the summer11:53
vi_does android have widgets?11:53
deepyI had the same battery life when the phone was new and had just my SIM card and contacts on it11:53
deepyYes, but I have the same widgets as my Nexus One has11:54
deepyLITERALLY the same, I moved the APK over11:54
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vi_I do not know what to suggest.  YOu see, us N900 users are notorious android haterz.11:54
keriovi_: what about nitdroid?11:55
vi_nitroid can go blow a goats asshole.11:55
keriok :c11:55
vi_The shit is responsible for more than 50% of the broken n900 spam on TMO.11:55
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deepyvi_: they're only selling them in strange places like Mullingar or Meath11:55
keriodeepy: buy it on the internets11:56
vi_deepy: My ROI geography is broken.11:56
keriothen it doesn't matter where you are or where the n900 is11:56
kerioas long as you're still in the EU11:56
vi_But if you can visually inspect it first AND get a good price, that would be ideal.11:56
deepyI just offered 110 on one, bah11:57
keriodeepy: buy it with paypal, immediately ask for your money back claiming you got a brick in the mail11:58
* Arkenoi really does not understand why one could want to run nitdroid except just for hack value11:58
kerionot too immediately, though11:58
jacekowskipaypal sucks11:59
kerioArkenoi: to register with that weird unofficial whatsapp client11:59
deepykerio: hehe, I have a friend starting at paypal :)12:00
Luke-Jrdeepy: FAIL12:00
Luke-Jrpaypal is obsolete :P12:00
deepyYes but they pay12:00
vi_Paypal are scum12:00
vi_UTTER SCUM.12:00
deepyThat's my point, he'll have a jolly good time there!12:00
Luke-Jrdeepy: until they go out of business12:00
kerioit's like working at a bank, except that you're not regulated12:00
kerioit's brilliant12:00
vi_Except for all the poor fucks they steal money from.12:01
deepyLuke-Jr: we're talking months here12:01
Luke-Jrdeepy: does he even have a position where he can try to save paypal?12:02
deepyHe has a position where he can be one of the people who do their job right12:02
keriodeepy: are you going to sell your LG?12:02
Luke-Jrso no12:02
deepykerio: are you interested in buying it?12:02
keriohell naw12:02
deepyI'm thinking about cloning my SIM12:02
kerioi'll buy it for 2€12:02
deepyBe a rebel and have two phones12:02
vi_deepy: o012:02
kerioit's not "are you interested in buying it?", it's "how much would you pay for it?"12:03
vi_Once you have cloned your sim, be sure to wwrite a white paper on how you circumvented the 3G sim security.12:03
deepyWhat do you mean 3G SIM :)?12:03
vi_You will be as famouse as korek.12:03
* Arkenoi owns all my kodez (imsi, Ki)12:03
deepyThere's a reason I still have an old one12:04
kerioit's not about sim vs usim12:04
deepyBut no, I'm probably just going to swap it around12:04
vi_Maybe that is why your battery is so shit.12:04
Arkenoidumped it long time ago from old SIM card and never care to get replacements from my operator again12:04
vi_It has to step up to 18v just to warm up the valve tubes.12:04
deepyvi_: don't pin this one me! I've done hte exact same things with TWO separate phones in TWO separate countries with TWO separate carriers!12:05
tadzikaren't most of today's smartphones Very Bad at battery life?12:05
keriowas the sim different too?12:05
keriotadzik: the n900 is a today's smartphone12:05
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kerioand it doesn't have a bad battery life, really12:05
vi_tadzik: No, just poorly programmned operating systems.12:05
tadzikno it's not, it's 3 years old smartphone12:05
vi_N900 is the ONLY smartphone ever made it to production.12:06
tadzikI don't say it can't compete12:06
keriotadzik: it's the latest, in its run12:06
tadzikis it even produced yet?12:06
kerioit fucking should12:06
tadzik*sigh*, well12:06
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vi_Comparing an N900 with android is like compairing an TI82 with an HP49G+12:06
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tadzikyou're comparing hardware to the OS12:07
keriovi_: the TI82 is an overpriced piece of crap though12:07
vi_the TI82 is obsolete.12:07
kerioeven brand new, it was overpriced12:07
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vi_There was some bro on reddit jerkin off about how he had 'programmned' his android phone to say shit to him when he got to work and to txt his wife.12:09
vi_When he got to work his phone would say 'I have txt your wife to let her know you have arrived at work safely'.12:10
vi_as kerio would say12:10
vi_b* please.12:10
vi_THe N900 can do that out of the box.12:10
vi_In chinese if you want.12:10
kerioyeah, that's like a dbus message and a call to speex12:11
keriowell no, you need speex for voice synth12:11
kerioit's not preinstalled12:11
vi_speex, festival, espeak.  Take you pick.12:11
deepyhow's python in the N900?12:11
vi_deepy: Full on.12:11
keriodeepy: 2.5-ish12:11
tadzikheh, yeah12:12
keriobut i suppose that the armel debian binary package would work12:12
keriodeepy: mind the optification though12:12
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infobotoptification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"12:12
deepyThis guy seemed so legit at first too! I was about to buy it!
keriothe python release in extras(-devel) uses bindmounts to make everything work fine though12:12
deepyerr, I meant to paste teh comment but whatever12:12
vi_I have had it in my mind to write a script that would automate txt'ing mrs vi__12:12
keriowithout clogging the rootfs12:13
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keriodeepy: hehe12:13
vi_It would generate a sentence from some pre defined lists.12:13
deepyLook at that ad, can you spot the 3 things that made me run the opposite direction?12:13
vi_To say something nice.12:13
vi_And message it out within a 2 hour window on some random days.12:14
deepyThat seems prone to fail, it'll say the same thing twice on the exact same time two days in a row12:14
vi_She is a girl.  She will not notice.12:15
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vi_She will be too busy thinking about unicorns and cakes.12:15
deepyThat's like saying: "Oh, he's a fireman, he won't notice if his house is on fire."12:15
vi_That doesnt make any sense.12:16
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keriovi_: *you* don't make any sense!12:16
deepyNeither does Poe if you read it backwards12:16
deepyI read that as end of pony12:17
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deepy@Deepy:dont look time and date becouse i forgoten change in the camera if want see come here please12:55
deepySounds so legit :/12:55
* tadzik tries to unclick the selection12:56
keriodeepy: damn you for using colors13:00
kerioand LOL13:00
deepyPure accident!13:00
kerioyeah, buy it from somewhere else13:00
keriohold on, what does "come here" mean?13:00
deepyalso it bothers the heck out of me too :P13:00
deepyit means that other city which is way out13:01
kerioi wouldn't go13:01
deepyIf I lived there I would've gone and checked it out13:02
deepyand noted it to be a waste of time13:02
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keriodeepy: you'll get killed13:05
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deepykerio: no no, there's only nice people13:47
deepyDeepy placed offer 14/09/2012 9:57 am (1 hour ago): €110 Offered, If we can meet in Dublin on Saturday/Sunday13:48
deepyJu5tin says 14/09/2012 10:57 am (50 minutes ago): pm@Deepy13:48
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DocScrutinizer05ux äp5c 1pi16:39
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jpinxdoes the nopp run ok with charger plugged in but battery out?16:53
jpinx...n900  I mean..16:54
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keriojpinx: nope16:57
kerionot even close16:57
jpinxok ..  thanks16:57
DocScrutinizer05jpinx: see my thread on tmo though16:58
DocScrutinizer05jpinx: it's feasible (as long as you don't need modem)16:59
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DocScrutinizer05something with "hotswap" in title iirc16:59
DocScrutinizer05I ran N900 without battery for several hours17:00
DocScrutinizer05for booting though you *need* battery17:00
jpinxok DocScrutinizer05 . Thanks. I'll check that out17:00
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keriooffline mode and low brightness are fine, i suppose17:19
DocScrutinizer05yep, and "keep backlight on"17:21
DocScrutinizer05any brightness17:21
DocScrutinizer05as soon as screen blanks, charger chip detects end of charging and powers down system ungracefully17:22
DocScrutinizer05jpinx: ^^^17:25
jpinxthanks DocScrutinizer05 :)17:26
* jpinx lastlogs....17:27
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jpinxsleepytime here. Back to solutions tomorrow...17:29
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vi_are chinese capable of making anything that is not utter shit?17:33
keriovi_: yes17:35
keriothey're probably not willing, though17:35
Hurrianmeh, they just go with the flow.17:35
Hurrianthe Xiaomi phones are actually decent, shame all the OEMs going for that kind of thing go with Android17:36
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DocScrutinizer05"I'm here to defend my prophet Mohammed. I'm angry for the Amaricans haven't blocked that movie on internet" -- Oh yeah, sure18:07
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GeneralAntillesDon't worry, the Cairo embassy you tried to burn down agrees with you.18:08
DocScrutinizer05what a bunch of morons18:08
DocScrutinizer05wait until they find out that the allegedly copt christian actually been a muslim sent by el Qaida to produce this crap movie to mobilze the islamic world against the west18:11
DocScrutinizer05whom will the lynch THEN?18:11
DocScrutinizer05and if it finally turns out the servers where the movie got hosted are in turkey or even saudi-arabia, where no US gvmt has any means to "block that movie", will they demand for US troops to raid this country and blow up the building where the servers are located?18:14
DocScrutinizer05(not that US gvmt has any means or legitimation to block that movie when it was hosted on US located servers either)18:15
DocScrutinizer05not really, if you wanna shout OT please do18:16
GeneralAntillesThe outrage is probably largely manufactured.18:17
kerioof course it is18:17
kerioreligion is just a way to exert control over a populace18:18
kerioor, well, a group of people18:18
DocScrutinizer05now the mob atacking German and GB embassy, fine! They really do all to make us love them18:19
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* DocScrutinizer05 evaluates nuking some embasy of an islamic country because their government hasn't managed to stop morons stomping on and incinerating German flag18:28
keriowhat's the settings app called?18:29
keriooh wtf18:31
keriokilling hildon-home *once* caused a reboot18:31
kerioto be fair i also made the settings app crash multiple times18:32
kerioi assume it's the same?18:32
DocScrutinizer05the status menu probably is18:32
keriooh no, it's controlpanel18:32
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dhbikerhi there20:24
dhbikerhow do i charge bricked phone ?20:24
dhbikeri *think* its bricked since its bootlooping20:24
freemangordonif it is booting then it is not bricked20:25
freemangordonwhen it reboots?20:25
freemangordonand what phone?20:25
dhbikeractually freezes20:26
dhbikeron nokia screen20:26
freemangordonhmm, which kernel?20:26
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dhbikerpower 5120:26
freemangordondid you rty to reflash it?20:26
dhbikerwhat if the battery is too low in charge20:27
freemangordonyou'll only lose your software, data will be ok20:27
freemangordonI think it uses usb to power the device while flashing20:28
freemangordonmaght be wrong20:28
dhbikerguess not20:28
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freemangordonwell, it won't become worse that now :)20:28
dhbikeri somehow need to charge up the battery20:29
freemangordonbut what is the point if it does not boot?20:29
freemangordonbtw if it is stuck on nokia logo, it means there is not kernel20:30
freemangordonyou may want to flash kernel zImage only20:30
dhbikerit worked before this reboot20:30
dhbikerthats what bothers me20:31
freemangordonso you just reboot and BAM20:31
freemangordondid you install anything since the last reboot?20:31
freemangordonesp kernel20:31
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dhbikerinstalled kernel20:32
dhbikerworked fine20:32
freemangordonhow did you reboot?20:32
dhbikershut down via switch20:33
dhbikerand then turn on20:33
freemangordondid you try to remove the battery?20:34
freemangordonwell, flash seems iminent20:34
dhbikerprobably dead battery20:34
keriodhbiker: if it's bootlooping and the battery is too low, YOU GOT A BRICK SON20:35
freemangordonyou won't have nokia logo20:35
dhbikerkerio: i thought so20:35
freemangordonkerio: don't scare him20:35
keriowell, it's an easy unbrick - you need to charge your battery20:35
freemangordonhe have a dead battery, not a brick20:35
dhbikerkerio: problem is *HOW*20:36
freemangordondhbiker: any spare battery?20:36
dhbikerno :(20:36
freemangordonwait, you say it freezes on Nokia logo?20:36
keriodhbiker: do you know someone with a 5800?20:36
freemangordonor asha20:36
freemangordonkerio: but it is not the batter20:37
dhbikeri think i know someone with 580020:37
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: please don't tell nonsense about flashing20:37
DocScrutinizer05it's a well known fact that flashing depends on charged battery20:37
freemangordonseems like corrupted nand/missing kernel/missing kernel modules20:37
dhbikeri can restore the backup via backupmenu20:38
dhbikerthats not a problem20:38
dhbikerproblem is charging the battery somehow20:38
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: won;t argue, I am not an experienced flasher20:38
freemangordonbut even 10-15 percent charge should be more than enough20:39
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: will device show pesistent USB logo in upper right corner of NOKIA screen when you hold 'u' key while plugging in WALLCHARGER to powered down N900?20:39
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: no20:39
dhbikeryes its present20:39
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ok20:39
DocScrutinizer05then your battery is fine for flashing20:39
dhbikerit shows up fpr few secs20:40
DocScrutinizer05stop bootlooping though, it only depletes battery20:40
DocScrutinizer05nah, it has to STAY20:40
dhbikerok then no20:40
DocScrutinizer05when it vanishes, this means battery too low20:40
dhbikerbah :(20:40
freemangordonfind someone with 5800 or asha20:40
freemangordon(or n900 :P )20:41
DocScrutinizer05or get external charger20:41
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dhbikerk tnx for now20:42
dhbikerill try to contact someone somehow xD20:43
kerioif you want to buy an external charger, buy the nokia one20:43
DocScrutinizer05sounds expensive20:43
keriobut it's cute!20:46
DocScrutinizer05I'd rather get a used N900 for 80 bucks, than a new nokia charger for 4020:48
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: according to some report in the internets DT-33 charger is a tad too smart. It stops charging at max 1000mAh21:00
DocScrutinizer05hard to believe21:00
DocScrutinizer05but allegedly info straight from Nokia care21:01
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Woody14619Love you all... I'm off IRC for the weekend... Will be back Monday.  Contact Council via mail if something explodes. :)22:37
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teotwaki_DocScrutinizer05: I'd rather get an n950 for 40 bucks ;)23:29
DocScrutinizer05won't charge BL-5J23:30
DocScrutinizer05so it's obviously a useless device ;-P23:30
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ZogG_laptopteotwaki_: n950 fr 40$?23:34
ZogG_laptopgood luck23:34
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kerioi'd buy it23:43
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