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| GGon | damn | 03:12 |
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| GGon | what was the common way to mount a directory into another one as though it were mounted locally? | 03:12 |
| GGon | can't remember | 03:12 |
| GGon | oh | 03:13 |
| GGon | bind | 03:13 |
| GGon | duh | 03:13 |
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| diegojsRW | Hi. I won a N810 this weekend, and a another tablet (BlackBerry PlayBook). I tried to share files by Bluetooth to the BlackBerry, without success (because PlayBook doesn't support FTP protocol over Bluetooth). I tried then, to share files over network (SAMBA, NetBIOS). I found "samba" at Maemo repositories, and tried to install, I got it. As I didn't found a applet to control what folders I want to share, I tried to install "smbfs", but it requires "samb | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | diegojsRW: your post got trunkated | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask | 03:44 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 03:44 |
| diegojsRW | Hi. I won a N810 this weekend, and a another tablet (BlackBerry PlayBook). I tried to share files by Bluetooth to the BlackBerry, without success (because PlayBook doesn't support FTP protocol over Bluetooth). I tried then, to share files over network (SAMBA, NetBIOS). | 03:44 |
| diegojsRW | I found "samba" at Maemo repositories, and tried to install, I got it. As I didn't found a applet to control what folders I want to share, I tried to install "smbfs", but it requires "samba-common 3.0.22-3maemo2". However, I didn't found it at repositories. I googled for "samba-common", but I don't find it to download. Where I find "samba-common" to download? If it was discontinued, how can I share files over SAMBA protocol? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try http://maemo.org/packages/ | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I'm not sure it will search diablo repository | 03:47 |
| diegojsRW | DocScrutinizer05: I found samba-common 3.0.23c-1osso11, and samba-common 3.4.3-maemo2, but smbfs requires "samba-common 3.0.22-3maemo2". It will recognize and will run with another version? | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see it actually searches diablo as well, see http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemo-pc-connectivity/ | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for example | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it will work with a version such different. It even sounds like it's for another platform | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems maemo2 are for fremantle, while osso11 are for diablo | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/samba-common/ | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though: http://maemo.org/packages/view/samba/ | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here maemo2 is diablo :-o | 03:54 |
| diegojsRW | Samba I already installed by the repository | 03:54 |
| diegojsRW | And It is working, apparently (I found "admin" and "IPC" folders) | 03:55 |
| diegojsRW | But I want to choose what folders I want to share | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no clue | 03:55 |
| diegojsRW | I have this version: samba 3.0.22-6 (Diablo Extras-devel free armel) | 03:56 |
| merlin1991 | diegojsRW: you should have a config for samba in /etc/samba/smb.conf | 04:08 |
| merlin1991 | where you can set what samba shares | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: thanks. I was too busy to look this up | 04:10 |
| diegojsRW | merlin1991: I don't need of samba-commons installed? | 04:12 |
| merlin1991 | diegojsRW: if you installed samba from the repository you should also have samba-common on your device | 04:13 |
| merlin1991 | just edit the file in /etc/samba/smb.conf it's pretty straight forward | 04:14 |
| diegojsRW | No, i haven't | 04:14 |
| diegojsRW | I only have the "samba" | 04:14 |
| merlin1991 | what does dpkg -l samba-common tell you? | 04:14 |
| diegojsRW | Package installation, I suppose | 04:16 |
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| diegojsRW | Nokia-N810-43-7:~# dpkg -l samba-common | 04:18 |
| diegojsRW | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | 04:18 |
| diegojsRW | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed | 04:18 |
| diegojsRW | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) | 04:18 |
| diegojsRW | ||/ Name Version Description | 04:18 |
| diegojsRW | +++-==============-==============-============================================ | 04:18 |
| diegojsRW | ii samba-common 3.0.23c-1osso1 Samba common files used by both the server a | 04:18 |
| diegojsRW | It doesn't appears on Application list of N810 | 04:18 |
| merlin1991 | so you do have samba-common installed to be exact you have version 3.0.23c-1osso1 | 04:18 |
| merlin1991 | that's probably due to the fact that it isn't an "aplication" but rather a set of helper files for samba | 04:19 |
| merlin1991 | also next time you need to paste more than lets say 2 lines of text please use a pastebin service, ie debian.paste.net | 04:19 |
| diegojsRW | Ok, sorry by flooding | 04:20 |
| merlin1991 | s/debian.paste/paste.debian/ | 04:20 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: also next time you need to paste more than lets say 2 lines of text please use a pastebin service, ie paste.debian.net | 04:20 |
| merlin1991 | typos :S | 04:20 |
| diegojsRW | Then I have to install a smb-client which depends of 3.0.23c-1osso1, right? | 04:20 |
| merlin1991 | why do you need an smb client anyway? smb client allows to to access shares from other pcs on your n810 | 04:21 |
| diegojsRW | Yes, I need it also. | 04:21 |
| merlin1991 | the normal samba package is the one that makes it possible to share files from the n810 to other pcs | 04:21 |
| diegojsRW | I need to install either smbfs and smb-client | 04:22 |
| diegojsRW | And swat (samba web wizard) | 04:22 |
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| diegojsRW | Thanks. I got configure Samba server at N810 | 07:20 |
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| Pali | in harmattan sdk is i386 version of bme, seems same as armel | 12:39 |
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| Pali | maybe this version can be used in ida... | 12:39 |
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| Arkenoi | could anyone please remind me, if i get non-functioning cameras and "APMD disconnected" after massive update which includes power kernel, which packages should I reinstall? | 13:21 |
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| kerio | Arkenoi: APMD is advanced power monitor | 13:43 |
| kerio | non-functioning cameras... weird, did you have fcam installed? | 13:43 |
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| Arkenoi | "fcam-drivers is already the newest version" | 13:50 |
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| Arkenoi | and how do i repair apmd? | 13:55 |
| kerio | uninstall fcamera fcam-drivers hdrcapture lowlight | 13:55 |
| kerio | then reinstall those | 13:55 |
| kerio | i don't know about apmd, sorry | 13:55 |
| kerio | maybe uninstall and reinstall | 13:56 |
| kerio | (purging the config files in the meantime, so do the uninstall with --purge) | 13:56 |
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| Arkenoi | ok. camera works now, but i still have no idea how to fix or diagnose apmd | 14:00 |
| Arkenoi | batterygraph works properly meanwhile | 14:01 |
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| vi_ | which would be better for P2P voice chat; bluetooth or wifi? | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | at Bluetooth ranges, just put the phone down. | 14:14 |
| vi_ | Motorcycle to motorcycle. | 14:15 |
| LaoLang_cool | I'm sshing from pc to my n900 via putty on windows, but I find the speed is slow | 14:15 |
| LaoLang_cool | what's wrong? | 14:15 |
| kerio | vi_: power-wise? | 14:15 |
| LaoLang_cool | I have disabled power saving mode | 14:15 |
| kerio | i think the audio quality could be better via wifi | 14:15 |
| kerio | LaoLang_cool: cpu, maybe? | 14:16 |
| kerio | LaoLang_cool: try usb networking | 14:16 |
| LaoLang_cool | kerio, you mean n900's cpu is slow? | 14:16 |
| kerio | LaoLang_cool: is it just a bit of lag in the shell? | 14:16 |
| vi_ | LaoLang_cool: It is a common problem. No one knows why it is sometimes slow as shit. | 14:16 |
| LaoLang_cool | kerio, yes, a bit of lag | 14:16 |
| kerio | or are you trying to push data through it? | 14:16 |
| LaoLang_cool | my english is poor ;p | 14:17 |
| kerio | eeh, wifi "problem" | 14:17 |
| flux | laolang_cool, try disabling powersaving on n900 wifi | 14:17 |
| kerio | flux: he did | 14:17 |
| flux | oh | 14:17 |
| SpeedEvil | WiFi may well be longer range | 14:17 |
| kerio | LaoLang_cool: try usb networking | 14:17 |
| LaoLang_cool | kerio, yes, my networking is a wifi enviroment | 14:17 |
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| flux | in any case, doing that will destroy battery life, so better turn it back on if it didn't help :) | 14:17 |
| vi_ | I have piss ssh performance over wifi when on top of my access point sometimes. | 14:17 |
| vi_ | Running dd-wrt. | 14:17 |
| kerio | vi_: use two walkie talkies | 14:17 |
| vi_ | with the power cranked cranked illegally high. | 14:18 |
| flux | vi_, so it's probably saturating the radio | 14:18 |
| LaoLang_cool | flux, oh! thank your for reminder, I will enable it | 14:18 |
| vi_ | also, n900 version off sshd is fucking ancient. | 14:18 |
| kerio | vi_: i've found that increasing the tx power only makes the connection worse :( | 14:18 |
| flux | I seriously doubt sshd has anything to do with this | 14:18 |
| flux | the same can probably be observed with ping | 14:18 |
| kerio | that said, i increased it a bit from the default | 14:18 |
| vi_ | flux: nope. | 14:18 |
| vi_ | flux: run a constant ping in the background and performance still sucks asses. | 14:19 |
| LaoLang_cool | ssh to maemo is useless at all, so much lag | 14:25 |
| SpeedEvil | lag is solely due to power save in my experience | 14:26 |
| LaoLang_cool | A time wasting thing :) | 14:26 |
| tadzik | maybe try nice on the sshd? | 14:26 |
| tadzik | wild guess :) | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | also, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCOTpjBGcs&feature=youtube_gdata_player | 14:26 |
| LaoLang_cool | I don't know, I set up the ssh connection by wiki step by step, I have no knowledge on ssh at all ;p | 14:27 |
| * kerio doesn't have a lot of lag | 14:29 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 neither | 15:05 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since I'm using this (otherwise shit from hell) DIR-615 | 15:06 |
| kerio | i'm using a sweet, sweet wrt-610n | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff | 15:19 |
| kerio | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-thumb, you're shit out of luck for multiple reasons | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems in line with my rant yesterday | 15:20 |
| kerio | yep :( | 15:20 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be fair if the versioning was done in the correct way (with +foo added at the end) then there would be no problem | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>just in case I'm hit by bus and cssu-t has an important security bugfix << LOL | 15:21 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hey, the bus factor matters | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I still don't see how such policy wouldn't inadvertedly "downgrade" half of your system to non-thumb versions | 15:22 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wouldn't be a big deal | 15:22 |
| kerio | they still work fine | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just insane | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | outright insane | 15:23 |
| kerio | anyway, the weird thing is that now *some* packages are upgradable, and other packages aren't | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 15:23 |
| kerio | because the versioning is FUBAR because of nokia and other people | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, the concept is insane | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you want a non-thumbified bugfix version for your thumb system, get it via apt-get install pkg=version | 15:25 |
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| kerio | k | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once the thumb repo got the bugfix as well, you roll back | 15:26 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: once the thumb repo gets the bugfix, you *upgrade* :) | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I meant | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | just apt-get inst pkg=ver will probably break auto-upgrade for that pkg | 15:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, are you sure? i don't think it also pins the version | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise "upgrade" to old version would kick in the same seconds you finish install via apt-get | 15:27 |
| kerio | i think you have to also echo "packagename hold" | dpkg --set-selections to do that | 15:28 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well, there's a reason apt asks for confirmation before upgrading :) | 15:28 |
| kerio | freemangordon: DocScrutinizer says (and i might actually agree, weirdly enough) that thumb versions should be higher than any other version, so maybe put "thumb:" as an epoch, before anything else? | 15:29 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the thing is, having thumb packages at a higher version than normal ones prevents you from going back to the normal -testing | 15:31 |
| kerio | hypothetically, if fmg gets hit by a bus and nobody else picks up the community-thumb project | 15:32 |
| kerio | i know how much you like hypothetical situations that won't happen ;) | 15:32 |
| vi_ | but | 15:36 |
| vi_ | but | 15:36 |
| vi_ | thumb rules. | 15:36 |
| kerio | indeed, but the versioning is apparently FUBAR | 15:36 |
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| kerio | we just noticed it | 15:36 |
| kerio | it should've been $version+thumbX, it's $version-thumbX | 15:36 |
| kerio | and that apparently makes apt shit its pants | 15:36 |
| kerio | sometimes | 15:36 |
| vi_ | well who has cssu-t AND thumb repo enabled? | 15:37 |
| kerio | ...everyone? | 15:37 |
| vi_ | why? | 15:37 |
| kerio | -thumb only has a small number of recompiled packages, the rest come from -testing | 15:37 |
| vi_ | well fck testing. lets just go thumb. | 15:37 |
| kerio | that would be an option, yes | 15:37 |
| vi_ | it is the only option. | 15:38 |
| vi_ | N900 is a 3 year old device. | 15:38 |
| vi_ | Stop getting so hung up about doing things 'proper' and 'the debian way'. | 15:38 |
| vi_ | ditch cssu-t | 15:39 |
| kerio | vi_: CSSU is also stacked on top of the nokia repos | 15:39 |
| vi_ | well idgaf. | 15:39 |
| vi_ | fuck everything. | 15:39 |
| kerio | it's repos all the way down! | 15:39 |
| vi_ | cssu-thumb is the way it is going to be. | 15:39 |
| vi_ | if you do not want it, go suck a fuck. | 15:40 |
| vi_ | And use pr 1.1 or something. | 15:40 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i think estel stole vi_'s account | 15:41 |
| kerio | D: | 15:41 |
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| vi_ | N900 is out of developers and out of time. | 15:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: (well fck testing. lets just go thumb.) that's nonsense unless you meant that as a policy for your local device. cssu-t is trsting for cssu-s, and cssu-s never will go thumb just for the leeteness | 15:43 |
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| kerio | vi_: still doesn't help the versioning issue | 15:58 |
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| trumee__ | ~ping | 16:44 |
| infobot | ~pong | 16:44 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | Does anyone here use the qtcreator for maemo application development? | 17:07 |
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| vi_ | in C, dafuq this means: | 18:02 |
| vi_ | a &= b | 18:02 |
| vi_ | a |= b | 18:02 |
| vi_ | a &= ~b | 18:02 |
| vi_ | a |= ~b | 18:02 |
| merlin1991 | last one is easy :D | 18:05 |
| merlin1991 | actually all those make sense if I'm right about ~ | 18:05 |
| merlin1991 | a &= b would store in a the bitwise and of a and b, a |= b is bitwise or | 18:05 |
| merlin1991 | a &= ~b would be bitwise and of and inverted b | 18:06 |
| merlin1991 | ... | 18:06 |
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| kerio | Pali: how fast is M32G? | 18:08 |
| Pali | kerio, it is usable | 18:08 |
| kerio | but slower than the normal mtd install? | 18:09 |
| Pali | somebody wrote that no, somebody yet | 18:09 |
| Pali | *yes | 18:09 |
| kerio | hm | 18:09 |
| Pali | I installed a lot of apps and I have a lot of files here, it is slower on my n900 | 18:09 |
| Pali | but still usable | 18:09 |
| kerio | Pali: you probably know this better than me - is there a sensible way to mount /usr from the eMMC early in the boot process? | 18:10 |
| Pali | kerio, not easy | 18:10 |
| kerio | :( | 18:10 |
| kerio | i figured | 18:10 |
| Pali | why you need it? | 18:10 |
| kerio | the "easiest" way would be to unconditionally mount it right before init is launched, but then i screw up bootmenu | 18:11 |
| kerio | Pali: because the rootfs situation in fremantle on the n900 is absurd | 18:11 |
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| Pali | kerio, this is very hard... I think you never got fully working solution... | 18:11 |
| Pali | use then M32GB | 18:12 |
| Pali | it is what you want | 18:12 |
| kerio | Pali: eeh, not quite | 18:12 |
| kerio | but yeah | 18:12 |
| Pali | M32GB load maemo from /home/user/maemo5 | 18:12 |
| Pali | also /opt is in /home/user/maemo5 | 18:12 |
| kerio | the thing is, with /usr out of the way then it's possible to disable ubifs compression | 18:13 |
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| Pali | ubifs compression is ok | 18:13 |
| kerio | it's really not | 18:13 |
| kerio | it's a kludge made to help with the little space | 18:13 |
| Pali | it is faster then eMMC | 18:13 |
| kerio | but slower than it could be | 18:13 |
| kerio | or something | 18:13 |
| kerio | Pali: a good way of doing M32G would be a separate partition on the eMMC | 18:14 |
| Pali | kerio, also possible | 18:14 |
| Pali | just create new partition and edit "copy" script and bootmenu item | 18:15 |
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| Pali | and you need to edit /etc/init.d/rcS-late which mount & generate /etc/fstab | 18:15 |
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| vi_ | merlin1991: thank you! | 18:28 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | i'm confused about the cssu update process | 20:10 |
| jonne|reconnecte | it asks to create a backup, i create backup, then the whole update process starts again | 20:11 |
| jonne|reconnecte | and it won't let me update without backing up | 20:11 |
| shanttu | jonne|reconnecte, read this http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ | 20:14 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | ah, conflict with operator name widget | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<kerio> but slower than it could be)) not necessarily - if CPU (de)compression can keep up with, or is even faster than IO | 20:18 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fire up another general notice pls | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff | 20:19 |
| kerio | jonne|reconnecte: ^ | 20:24 |
| jonne|reconnecte | yeah, tnx | 20:24 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not convinced the CPU can, actually | 20:24 |
| jonne|reconnecte | i upgraded the widget seperately, doing the full update now | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonne|reconnecte: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264798#post1264798 | 20:27 |
| jonne|reconnecte | yes, saw it the first time :) | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's different | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually it's my answer on the one I referred to in general notice | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has recovery "instruction" | 20:32 |
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| kerio | is anyone following the iphone 5 announcement? | 20:42 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | sort of | 20:45 |
| jonne|reconnecte | it's meh | 20:45 |
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| merlin1991 | also as usuall DocScrutinizer05 recovery strategy is a tad overkill | 21:04 |
| kerio | hm, no microusb port compatibility in the iphone 5 | 21:05 |
| merlin1991 | quit ham wait 5 min start ham wait, do update opername wait update cssu is enough | 21:05 |
| kerio | wasn't that required, in europe? | 21:05 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | not sure about that, kerio | 21:07 |
| jonne|reconnecte | i think it's weird too | 21:07 |
| jonne|reconnecte | then again, iphone connector does way more than can be done with microusb, so they'd need to either drop that feature or put 2 ports in their phone | 21:08 |
| jonne|reconnecte | neither of which are an attractive option | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | USB charging is mandatory in Europe and China. Micro-USB is mandatory by USB-cert | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no such thing like mini-USB anymore, officially | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NFC about devices that don't ahve *any* USB connector | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess neither USB-cert nor any EU-commission or China Gvmt can force a manufacturer to build a USB port to his product just for charging | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if however it already _has_ any USB, it's mandatory that this can do charging too | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (btw that's what basically fucked up N900 hostmode) | 21:20 |
| kerio | wait, why? | 21:20 |
| jonne|reconnecte | i guess for future-proofing | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (since, to allow charging from fastcharger, they had to swap PHY chip to allow D+/- detect, which in turn broke hostmode/OTG) | 21:21 |
| kerio | i see | 21:21 |
| jonne|reconnecte | because otherwise manufacturers would be stuck adding usb ports on phones that are perfectly capable of wireless charging + data exchange | 21:21 |
| jonne|reconnecte | in 10 years | 21:22 |
| kerio | oh, the previous NITs couldn't charge from usb? | 21:22 |
| jonne|reconnecte | USB isn't going to last forever | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why flashing instructions for N8x0 differ from those for N900 | 21:22 |
| kerio | well, that's convenient | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N8x0 won't power up on plugging in USB | 21:23 |
| jonne|reconnecte | hmm, upgrade's been stuck on my n900 for a while now | 21:23 |
| jonne|reconnecte | wonder what's going on | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you flash N8x0 entirely while running from battery | 21:24 |
| * jonne|reconnecte ssh's into phone | 21:24 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 suspects jonne|reconnecte used something other than HAM for update on CSSU | 21:25 | |
| jonne|reconnecte | HAM == app manager? | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:25 |
| jonne|reconnecte | is what i used | 21:25 |
| jonne|reconnecte | i do have fapman installed, though | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it can take like 5 minutes of timeout | 21:25 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you still have to boot to charge? | 21:26 |
| jonne|reconnecte | ssh can't connect | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where? | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ^^^ | 21:26 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: in the N8x0 | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 21:26 |
| kerio | lame | 21:26 |
| kerio | :c | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even worse than N900 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | completely sw-controlled | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by bme | 21:27 |
| kerio | no flatbat recovery? D: | 21:27 |
| kerio | madness | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a nasty legacy we still suffer from, on N900 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I think it has some flatbatrecover means | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or capabilities | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really nice though | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it's just that N8x0 can actually boot with flatbat, since power is from dedicated charger that is known to provide 1A | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | charging however needs CPU | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike N900 where bq24150 can do that autonomously | 21:30 |
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| Spark25x | hello guyd | 22:38 |
| Spark25x | guys* | 22:38 |
| Spark25x | why the new SSU update ask for connection to pc? | 22:39 |
| Spark25x | is this mandatory? | 22:39 |
| wmarone_ | ask in #maemo-ssu | 22:40 |
| Spark25x | wmaarone_ tnx | 22:40 |
| fredrinLap | iphone5 omg omg omg omg | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff | 22:44 |
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| kerio | fredrinLap: it's a 16:9 iphone | 22:50 |
| kerio | with a new MAGICAL extra row for icons | 22:50 |
| kerio | and LTE | 22:50 |
| kerio | and a new MAGICAL camera | 22:51 |
| fredrinLap | kerio: :) I know | 22:52 |
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| fredrinLap | just joining in on the mass hysteria | 22:52 |
| fredrinLap | while fighting my n900 | 22:53 |
| kerio | noo :( | 22:53 |
| kerio | don't fight your n900 | 22:53 |
| fredrinLap | for some reason it dont replies to ping | 22:53 |
| kerio | he loves you | 22:53 |
| kerio | fredrinLap: pings where? | 22:53 |
| kerio | wlan or gprs? | 22:53 |
| fredrinLap | wlan | 22:53 |
| kerio | weird | 22:53 |
| kerio | iptables -L? | 22:53 |
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| fredrinLap | no rules there | 22:54 |
| jonne|reconnecte | ah, looks like the new version of HAM doesn't have the weird error message any more | 22:55 |
| jonne|reconnecte | that's good for next time then | 22:55 |
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| fredrinLap | not sure what it is all about :( | 22:56 |
| kerio | fredrinLap: reboot? | 22:57 |
| kerio | it's kind of a bad advice to diagnose the problem, but it could actually work | 22:57 |
| kerio | also check your router isn't stupid | 22:57 |
| fredrinLap | kerio: been like this for a long time | 22:58 |
| fredrinLap | but not the end of the world. will try to update things to see if that helps | 22:58 |
| kerio | maybe your access point has been stupid for a long time :) | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonne|reconnecte: correct | 22:58 |
| kerio | also try an ad-hoc network | 22:59 |
| fredrinLap | is it custom-operator-name-widget i need to install? | 22:59 |
| fredrinLap | i am on thumb | 22:59 |
| jonne|reconnecte | also, upgrade wasn't really stuck, it rebooted normally after a while | 22:59 |
| kerio | fredrinLap: oh, thumb is a whole different bag of bullshit | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff | 22:59 |
| kerio | fredrinLap: keep calm and don't upgrade | 23:00 |
| fredrinLap | i am following that link now | 23:00 |
| kerio | fredrinLap: if you're on thumb, that link won't help you | 23:00 |
| fredrinLap | hum | 23:00 |
| kerio | if you upgrade, you'll lose a lot of thumb packages | 23:00 |
| Psotnick | I need to display a lot of data rows and they don't fit the screen, and I can't make gtk_label pannable. There's too much rows for N900 screen, how can display it or make gtk_label pannable? | 23:00 |
| kerio | but regardless, it won't actually work due to a slightly major mistake in the versioning of thumb packages | 23:00 |
| kerio | we're working on it :) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fredrinLap: cssu-thumb is a completely different domain, basically. You don't generally want to update cssu-t when you're on cssu-thumb | 23:01 |
| fredrinLap | ah, thought cssu-t was cssu-thumb.... | 23:01 |
| kerio | cssu-t is cssu-testing | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fredrinLap: NB cssu-thumb is very bleeding-edge and experimental | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (though freemangordon will argue that) | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fredrinLap: anyway you need to live with beta-tester user experience when using that sort of bleeding-edge | 23:03 |
| kerio | cssu thumb is a recompilation of cssu-testing, so it's as bleeding-edge and experimental | 23:03 |
| kerio | it's just slightly less rigorously tested :3 | 23:03 |
| fredrinLap | HAM wants me to do: Community SSU enabler, Linux Kernel Community SSU (even though I uses thumb-kernel), Linux kernel for Community SSU (boot image for u-boot and multiboot) and Operator Name Widget.... | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and slightly less confortably maintained | 23:03 |
| kerio | "Linux Kernel Community SSU" should be the thumb kernel | 23:04 |
| tadzik | HAM wanted me to do nothing today. "No updates", and I'm clearly on the old CSSU | 23:04 |
| kerio | boot image for uboot and multiboot is wrong, wrong, wrong | 23:04 |
| kerio | tadzik: cssu-stable? | 23:04 |
| tadzik | kerio: no, testing | 23:04 |
| * tadzik rechecks | 23:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: cssu-t or cssu-s | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ß | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 23:04 |
| tadzik | -t I think | 23:04 |
| tadzik | I'm not sure now :) | 23:04 |
| tadzik | how to easily check? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | settings, about CSSU | 23:05 |
| fredrinLap | what should I do.... | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fredrinLap: wait | 23:05 |
| tadzik | 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4 | 23:05 |
| tadzik | that's the old one alright | 23:05 |
| * tadzik tries HAM again | 23:05 | |
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| fredrinLap | I am on 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4-thumb16 | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually very old, since I thought last one been T4.1 | 23:06 |
| kerio | fredrinLap: that's right | 23:06 |
| kerio | fredrinLap: just wait a couple of days | 23:06 |
| kerio | fmg needs time to recompile everything | 23:06 |
| fredrinLap | ok | 23:06 |
| kerio | and besides, there's the versioning issue to sort out | 23:06 |
| fredrinLap | I'll wait, want to have ssh working though | 23:07 |
| kerio | tadzik: the latest was 4.1, are you sure the repos are set correctly? | 23:07 |
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| kerio | anyway, i suppose people should refer to cssu-thumb as cssu-θ when abbreviating | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-WHAT? | 23:07 |
| tadzik | kerio: I don't think I modified the repos after enabling cssu-t | 23:07 |
| tadzik | I guess that's Unicode Thumb | 23:08 |
| kerio | it should be U+03B8, GREEK SMALL LETTER THETA | 23:08 |
| kerio | it's the IPA for the voiceless dental fricative | 23:08 |
| kerio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dental_fricative | 23:08 |
| tadzik | huh. I told HAM to update stuff, and it didn't even notice it's offline | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: you updated with HAM, or used other deprecated methods, before? | 23:09 |
| tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: always with HAM | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strange | 23:10 |
| tadzik | well, I usually update with FAM | 23:10 |
| tadzik | but not CSSU | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 23:10 |
| kerio | here we go | 23:10 |
| kerio | tadzik: run apt-get upgrade (without confirming) and tell us what it tells you | 23:11 |
| tadzik | hold on, I clicked "Install" in HAM, and now it demanded the internet and does updates | 23:11 |
| tadzik | let's see where it goes | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I couldn't even guess what fapman would think may get autoremoved when you install7update arbitrary stuff with it | 23:11 |
| kerio | yay | 23:11 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: doesn't fapman use the apt algorithms? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: you're sure you ever did "update catalogs"? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: IE you maybe set your auto-update period to 57 years or sth? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nfc | 23:13 |
| tadzik | ok, it now noticed | 23:13 |
| tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: yes, I did | 23:13 |
| tadzik | I thought it'd maybe update it anyway if I explicitely say "update stuff" | 23:14 |
| tadzik | apparently not | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not reliably at least | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also had to select "update catalogs" from HAM menu yesterday | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | simply hitting the rightmost huge button in HAM doesn't really cut it | 23:15 |
| kerio | fredrinLap: i made this for you :) http://i.imgur.com/tHSqg.png | 23:16 |
| tadzik | huh, I have no "update catalogs". Only something along "restore catalogs" (I have Polish translatino) | 23:16 |
| fredrinLap | kerio: :D | 23:16 |
| tadzik | no, "restore applications" even | 23:16 |
| tadzik | and now it says "no catalogs in use", bastard | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, well, edit catalog or whatever | 23:16 |
| * kerio looks at aptitude, that installs a .desktop launcher for hildon that just says "sudo aptitude" | 23:18 | |
| * kerio sighs | 23:18 | |
| kerio | i don't even | 23:18 |
| tadzik | well, there's an ncurses app there, maybe | 23:18 |
| tadzik | with minesweeper and all this | 23:18 |
| kerio | no, i mean | 23:18 |
| kerio | it doesn't install a matching file in sudoers.d | 23:19 |
| kerio | so i can't actually launch it | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: I click "catalogs" arbbitrary catalog from list, "strore" and close the requester by clicking background | 23:19 |
| kerio | without abusing the sudo timeout | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: maybe, when clickung "update" frontpage button, HAM also does hidden update, but it takes a while and until then there's showing "no updates available" | 23:20 |
| tadzik | ok, it's pretending to work now | 23:20 |
| tadzik | I ran apt-get update, which complained about some bollocks, but now HAM works | 23:21 |
| * tadzik shrugs | 23:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fair enough | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the trick is to keep the "update" screen open for some 5 minutes and wait till the notice "no updates available" gets replaced by the true message | 23:22 |
| tadzik | uh. It now wants me to use Nokia PC Suite? | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 23:23 |
| kerio | tadzik: read the general notice | 23:23 |
| tadzik | ah, the Operator Widget | 23:23 |
| tadzik | my bad, sorry | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff | 23:23 |
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| kerio | hrmpf, why did i have hildon-desktop-application-shortcuts-mr0 installed | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly because it comes with maemo? | 23:27 |
| kerio | it's just ovi.desktop | 23:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 bets on this containing the skype installer desktop icon, the guided tour, and other similar useless cruft | 23:28 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nope, just ovi | 23:28 |
| kerio | the skype installer is in skype-installer | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 23:28 |
| kerio | hm, no it's not | 23:29 |
| kerio | is there even a skype installer? | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if there ever been, it got nuked on my device 3 years ago | 23:29 |
| kerio | oh come on, why does the cssu metapackage depend on skype-ui-l10n-*? | 23:30 |
| * kerio hrmpfs | 23:31 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders to get some Here_I_Am_feedback to next cssu-t and cssu-s. Sth that pings somewhere to increase a "global number of installs" counter and then removes itself from system | 23:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: :-S | 23:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hehe, a cherry replacement for cssu | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MP is EVIL | 23:33 |
| kerio | nah, better make our own | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: not really, since it neither sends some SMS, nor any privacy data | 23:33 |
| kerio | we need a fruit | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prune | 23:34 |
| kerio | brilliant | 23:34 |
| kerio | it should put itself in MyDocs, that's usually the most resilient place on the n900 | 23:35 |
| kerio | i mean, the file that says that it sent the data successfully | 23:35 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: guided tour is tutorial-home-applet | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, we're not that evil, we shall open a requester on post-install that asks "send anonymous 'thank you' to CSSU crew to let them know somebody used their stuff?" [yes] [no] [later] | 23:37 |
| tadzik | yay, new cssu abouard | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: congrats | 23:37 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: and a tiny tiny notice "* thank you in this case means an sms to a 1,4€ number that goes right into docs poket" ? ;) | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no not really | 23:39 |
| kerio | i'd donate the shit out of my spare change to the community | 23:39 |
| kerio | if i could | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I more thought of an actual ping or wget to a certain URL | 23:39 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nah, something slightly more reliable | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we don't need any reliability to get any idea of how many users CSSU actually has | 23:40 |
| kerio | we do | 23:40 |
| tadzik | well, you could look at the repo server logs, no? | 23:40 |
| kerio | tadzik: then we'd get wildly inaccurate figures | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what we need though is some PR and maybe a notifier package in maemo-extras | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that simply opens the cssu website in browser, on installation | 23:41 |
| tadzik | kerio: how inaccurate? I don't think people update to the same cssu twice _that_ often | 23:41 |
| kerio | what even *is* updating to a cssu release? | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: we *could*, if we could | 23:42 |
| tadzik | that says that some user is using CSSU and updating it from time to time, no? | 23:42 |
| kerio | downloading the metapackage? i had to do that like four times while toying between cssu-t and cssu-θ | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ asked X-Fade about it? | 23:43 |
| merlin1991 | wtf is -θ | 23:43 |
| tadzik | thumb | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Thau | 23:43 |
| kerio | theta | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some greek crap | 23:43 |
| kerio | in the international phonetic alphabet, a voiceless dental fricative | 23:43 |
| kerio | aka the "th" in thing, or thumb | 23:44 |
| tadzik | shame, that Unicode has "front facing baby chick" but no thumb | 23:44 |
| kerio | tadzik: japs are weird | 23:44 |
| kerio | (i assume that's an emoji) | 23:44 |
| tadzik | Miscellaneous Symbols And Pictographs | 23:45 |
| tadzik | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f425/index.htm | 23:45 |
| kerio | U+BD4F, SCHOOLGIRL AND TENTACLES | 23:45 |
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| tadzik | ahaha | 23:45 |
| jaska | theres also a pile of poop unicode | 23:45 |
| tadzik | I wouldn't be surprised at all | 23:46 |
| jaska | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm | 23:47 |
| jaska | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/font/symbola/u1F4A9.png | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 23:49 |
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| jaska | everything and the kitchen sink.. | 23:51 |
| kerio | yeah, unicode is supposed to encode **everything** | 23:51 |
| kerio | like, everything that was ever written | 23:51 |
| SpeedEvil | only that someone has bothered to push for inclusion in. | 23:52 |
| jaska | its.. a waste of space and human resources, they should have stopped long before adding emoji garbage. | 23:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 already suggested graphics card that doesn't use pixels and a framebuffer, but actually all unicode | 23:53 | |
| jaska | like mda.. but with gigabytes of font space? | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | variable font size is tricky | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | as is rotated | 23:53 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: as an upgrade to the ATI Radeon 9500 ASC? | 23:53 |
| kerio | http://www.bbspot.com/news/2003/02/ati_ascii.html | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually in the early 80s I 'invented' such a display, based on a scope tube and a lot of analog circuitry, to display arbitrary numbers of elisoids, polygons, bsplines, characters etc, based on parameters stored in a digital sequencer | 23:58 |
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| kerio | pff, come on, nobody believes the early 80s actually existed | 23:59 |
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