IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-09-05

tadzikhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_Antilles00:00
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GeneralAntillesSomeone rang?00:05
DocScrutinizer05hehe, not really00:05
tadzikyeah, Admiral Ackbar, muttering something about a "trap" ;)00:05
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uros1Hi all, can anybody browse to to /usr/share/application/hildon/rtcom-call-ui.desktop/ and paste mi content of this file please01:13
uros1tnx solved01:14
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DocScrutinizer05hmm03:04
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derpmodeI couldn't figure out what was wrong with my senheisser headset for the longest time... So I got another nokia one - and I can't really see a difference in their jacks: http://imgur.com/TXC2J05:13
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SpeedEvilit's wired differently05:34
derpmodeI was told this would be compatible on this channel :< derp05:36
derpmodehttp://en-de.sennheiser.com/pmx-680i-sports this is what I want to use05:38
robbiethe1stThere's several ways of wiring it. The best thing to do is just ignore the mic pin, use the good old standard 3-connector plug and you'll be fine05:38
derpmodehow do I ignore the mic pin?05:38
robbiethe1st(also note that your mic pin gives you the extra controls, so...)05:39
derpmodeI just want to be able to yell into a mic that is hooked up to my phone05:39
robbiethe1stThen get a Nokia one, or tear it apart and rewire it05:39
derpmodewhat's this mean 'ignore the pic pin?'05:39
robbiethe1stThe Sennheiser one's wired for Apple. If it says it's apple compatible, it's not Nokia compatible05:40
robbiethe1stI mean find an adapter or other device that doesn't have the 4th ring, and only has two headphones05:40
derpmodethere are no wired over the ear headsets compatible with nokia then05:40
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robbiethe1stPossibly not. I have seen a Nokia one that has the headphone part plug into it's microphone part05:41
robbiethe1stwhich means you could plug your own headphone into it's microphone part, and then that into your device05:41
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vdvhi all10:23
vdvi'm looking for some info/tutorial on how to implement kinetic scrolling in a gtk app10:24
vdvcan anyone help with a link?10:24
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vdvanyone knows how to make gtk widget with text inside to scroll kinetic?13:08
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DocScrutinizer05gtk knowledge is woefully scarce13:37
DocScrutinizer05nfc why13:37
SpeedEvilit wasn'tmuch used as a mobile platform maybe?13:40
DocScrutinizer05probably since Nokia tested a concept to take the piss out of devels on frementle with Qt vs gtk, that they perfected with MTF vs qml on HARM13:40
vdvmaepad uses wpeditor-dev13:41
vdvand seems that wpeditor doesn't have kinetic scrolling13:41
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: now it's wp vs harm :P13:42
jon_ywp? harm?13:42
DocScrutinizer05"hey folks, we used (gtk|MTF) for all our mostly closed apps, but sorry you're not supposed to do that since it's deprecated. Please use $new-leete-shit instead, we **promise** that's the future and supported on all our next platforms"13:42
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tadzikhaha13:43
tadzikwhat's next, tcltk? :P13:43
DocScrutinizer05they did this TWICE now! >:-(13:44
jon_ytcltk?13:44
tadzikDocScrutinizer05: cheer up, they're run out of toolkits soon :)13:45
tadzikand of business too, it semes13:45
DocScrutinizer05they constantly invent new ones13:45
DocScrutinizer05(not business though)13:45
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: i heard qml2 is fast(yesterday) and as well you can use MTF, it's just not documentaited. MohammadAG uses it13:46
tadziksorry, what's MTF?13:46
DocScrutinizer05for now it seems they ran out of FOSS to abuse, and so it doesn't matter anymore13:46
vdvusing scrollbar in maepad is so annoying...13:46
ZogG_laptopmeego touch framework13:46
tadzikokay, thanks13:46
DocScrutinizer05meego-touch-framework13:46
DocScrutinizer05vdv: aaaaaah, I foggily recall it's been a matter of theming13:47
vdvDocScrutinizer05, i use default theme13:48
SpeedEvilI'm reminded of something I wrote ages ago. http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=1879299&sid=fe8c379985f5e1b5445aa9cea1fa78db#p187929913:48
vdvor what do you mean?13:49
DocScrutinizer05http://www.google.de/search?num=30&hl=de&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=maemo+gtk+kinetic+scrolling13:49
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vi_using maepad is annoying on account of the fact that when it changes from portrait to landscape it erases the WHOLE FUCKING CANVAS.14:55
vi_How can the author leave what was such a cool program in such a bullshit state.14:55
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edheldilvi_:  that applies to most of n900/Maemo :)15:04
tadzik:)15:06
westwallpomavi_: As an alternative, I find when I rotate my deskpad to portrait that the letters and pictures are 90 degrees out.  To that extent, it's functional but I do get a sore neck.15:08
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westwallpomaDouble You, Tee, Eff: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1260580&postcount=115:17
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ShadowJKis that estel's 18650 batt15:19
westwallpomaNaw - some gadgie who goes by the name of Fallingwater.15:20
ShadowJKhm15:21
ShadowJKif he doesnt mind losing camera he could get 3 x 14500 across too15:21
westwallpomaIt is absolutely epic.  The glued-on USB port is also fantastic.15:22
tadzikhehe. Reminds me of the duct tape inside my laptop15:22
ShadowJKlol, fullsize usb?15:23
westwallpomaAye.15:23
westwallpomaThe boy's got history: http://www.technfun.com/pages/article.php?id=2515:24
westwallpoma ^^^ from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1214158&postcount=252215:25
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timelesskerio: yes15:58
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vi_westwallpoma: where are you from?16:07
westwallpomaEmbra.16:07
westwallpomaaka gregoranderson on tmo16:07
vi_well no shit.16:07
vi_AHAHAHAAA!16:07
westwallpomayes shit16:07
vi_I knew the term 'gadgie' was a localised one16:08
westwallpoma:)16:08
vi_Edinburgh...fucking trams...stupid fringe finally finished, now fuck off you tourist fucks.16:09
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vi_gregoranderson, I was astonished to learn that your real name is gregor anderson.16:11
westwallpomaYeah - didn't think that one through when I registered.16:11
vi_subtle play on words in your username.16:11
vi_Although, who would suspect.16:11
vi_Ask reggie to change your account name to Willie miller.16:12
westwallpomaSimilarly astonished to learn you aren't really named after a b'stard of text editor.16:12
vi_You take that back!16:12
westwallpomaBTW - I fly vim daily.16:12
vi_You are forgiven.16:12
westwallpomaEmacs can hum my hairy baws.16:12
vi_Wait...16:14
westwallpomaReal men leave the room abruptly by shouting "colon queue!"16:14
vi_My username WAS taken from the text editor.16:14
vi_westwallpoma: A lot of my wordprocessor documentys have random ':wq's in them.16:14
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vi_I just saw the xxxl battery.16:22
vi_...mother of god.16:22
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jon_yvi_: where?16:28
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vi_jon_y: on TMO16:35
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keriotimeless: could you leave the whole microB source code on a public repo somewhere by accident?16:36
timelessafaik, i don't have anything more than anyone else who doesn't work @nokia16:37
kerio:(16:38
timelessmxr.maemo.org should have something16:38
timelessromaxa would have the most sources16:39
timelesshe's still @nok16:39
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kerioi'm bored17:33
chem|stgood!17:33
keriono, the other thing17:33
chem|stkerio: port fuelpad to harmattan17:33
kerioi don't know what fuelpad is17:34
kerioand i don't have anything with harmattan on17:34
chem|stcar expenses tracker17:34
kerioi don't even have a driver's license!17:34
chem|stcompletely offline, works in sb works on device17:34
chem|stlooking at nokia store we could make use of a foss gpsrecorder port17:35
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keriohuh? gpsrecorder isn't open?17:35
chem|stis open17:35
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chem|stbut harmattan gps recorder stuff (useful) is all "paid"17:36
kerioso?17:36
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keriochem|st: http://i.qkme.me/3qrvwf.jpg17:38
chem|stsure thing!17:39
kerionotice especially how i am not in that room17:40
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jaskaamerican electric sockets17:44
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chem|stjaska: the yet smallest market for mobile phones17:45
kerioyeah, i'm not sure elop understands that17:47
kerio:s17:47
jon_ykerio: and Maemo17:52
jon_yand likely winmo17:53
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DocScrutinizer05awesome stairway17:53
keriojon_y: that's just because maemo users are all ninjas17:53
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jon_yI agree about the stairway17:53
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westwallpomaWho said?  I was too busy lurking in the shadows.17:53
jon_ystairway is more popular than the phone17:54
keriothere's a lady who's sure17:55
kerioall that glitters is gold17:55
kerioand she's buying a stairway17:55
kerioto heaven17:55
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DocScrutinizer05one of those I can't hear anymore17:57
DocScrutinizer05my comunards tortured me with playing it 40 times a day, for months17:57
kerioquestion: is it bad form to have a directory in /opt writable by user?17:58
DocScrutinizer05basically yes17:58
keriowhat should i use?17:58
DocScrutinizer05 /opt is meant to be root writable only17:58
kerio/var/?17:58
DocScrutinizer05var is ok17:58
keriovar is also in the rootfs17:58
DocScrutinizer05or rather, your ~home17:58
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DocScrutinizer05or MyDocs17:58
kerioDocScrutinizer05: packages shouldn't touch home, though17:59
DocScrutinizer05says who?17:59
keriounix is multiuser!17:59
DocScrutinizer05yes, sure17:59
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DocScrutinizer05that's why it's basically your binary that will create any stuff in ~home18:00
keriomeh, i'll just install the binary sgid something18:00
keriooh, neat18:00
keriothe "games" user is there18:00
westwallpomahome is only for runtime conf ; package shouldnae go near it.18:00
westwallpomaProper naughty.18:01
kerioDocScrutinizer05: can i assume /opt/ will be writable?18:01
DocScrutinizer05no18:01
kerioi'm targeting maemo, not a real unix system!18:01
DocScrutinizer05 /opt is the optional /usr18:01
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DocScrutinizer05~fhs18:01
infoboti heard fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package18:01
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: two wrongs don't make a right but a wrong can make it impossible not to make another wrong18:02
DocScrutinizer05that's how18:02
DocScrutinizer05~optification18:02
infobotoptification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,  http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"18:02
DocScrutinizer05works18:02
keriohow do i add a package to extras(-devel)?18:03
kerioor, rather18:03
keriohow to i take over a package in extras(-devel)?18:03
DocScrutinizer05what now?18:04
DocScrutinizer05a) get an account on garage.maemo.org18:04
keriohttp://maemo.org/packages/view/unnethack/ is stuck at an ancient version18:04
DocScrutinizer05b) there's some documented way to request maintainership transfer18:05
DocScrutinizer05https://garage.maemo.org/projects/unnethack/18:06
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: I think somewhere on garage you'll find some help about transfer of project maintainer role18:09
DocScrutinizer05generally has to be handled by X-Fade18:09
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DocScrutinizer05(as there's obviously no sane automated way to deprive mainainer from his role and transfer it to you)18:10
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westwallpomaThere's a thread / wiki page dedicated to digging up package maintainers who are stuck in devel.18:10
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: or you simply 'fork'18:11
westwallpomahttp://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/Darp18:13
westwallpomaNo mention of unethack, though.18:13
keriono, the problem is that unnethack's maemo package is unmaintained18:14
westwallpomaMaintainer is listed as "tkatchev" - who's still active-ish (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1221638&postcount=11 on 14th June this year)18:16
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: or you simply 'fork'18:18
DocScrutinizer05https://garage.maemo.org/projects/kerios-new-unnethack/18:18
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kerioew18:18
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: the package name matters18:25
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keriowtf, how do i get root in scratchbox?18:28
kerio:s18:28
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* kerio is tempted to install flex and ncursesw-dev on his n90018:32
DocScrutinizer05fakeroot?18:33
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westwallpomaSee #14 & #15: http://www.scratchbox.org/faq/faqlist.html18:35
DocScrutinizer05http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/3029818:36
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keriomeh18:43
keriodeveloping for the n900 is a fucking mess18:43
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DocScrutinizer05welcome to wonderful world of crosscompiling18:50
DocScrutinizer05spiced by SB in a really extraordinary way18:50
keriohah18:50
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kerioanyway, i suppose i could package acehack for the n90018:51
kerioi'm not sure console games are particularly good for the n90018:51
DocScrutinizer05orly?18:52
keriobut it's definetely the best handheld device for those18:52
DocScrutinizer05depends on the game ;-)18:52
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kerioi mean, it's got 1) a physical keyboard, and 2) a console18:52
kerioDocScrutinizer05: turn-based roguelike18:52
DocScrutinizer05gibberishgubberush18:53
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keriohttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Nethack_releasing_a_djinni.png <- this, except slightly different because it's a fork18:53
DocScrutinizer05ooh18:53
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's probably the class of games that are not that useful on N900 console18:54
keriohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetHack#Interface hahaha, "A detailed example"18:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: they're not useful anywhere, though :c18:54
kerioand osso-xterm can get to a vaguely respectable 79x2518:54
keriowhich is almost good18:54
DocScrutinizer05umm, with loupe yeah18:54
keriohahaha18:55
kerioor with -15 years?18:55
westwallpomaThat'll be ma tea oot.  Cuddle y'all.18:57
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DocScrutinizer05o/19:03
* DocScrutinizer05 searched for 10 minutes now for a link to the awesome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(film) fresnel lenses in front of shitty monitor, alas no luck19:04
DocScrutinizer05for kerio19:04
kerioit's ok, i know that movie :)19:05
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SpeedEvil3dlens.com19:13
SpeedEvilcheap too, and good customer service19:14
SpeedEvilthey replaced a lens that got snappes on post19:14
SpeedEvilin19:14
DocScrutinizer05hmm, 25 lines actually still 'readable'19:15
kerio:D19:16
DocScrutinizer05(all hail to maemo xterm's awesome zoom)19:16
keriobesides, nethack is really easy19:16
keriohail!19:16
kerioo/19:16
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DocScrutinizer05you're greeting like himself :-/     ;-P19:17
DocScrutinizer05o| is proper19:17
DocScrutinizer05oI19:17
DocScrutinizer05no o/ or o_/19:17
DocScrutinizer05you ever really watched that asshole doing "his own greeting"? (as well as a lot of the other top nazis)19:18
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DocScrutinizer05like a hippie on dope19:19
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: http://hipsterhitler.com/comics/heil/19:22
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jaskao/19:42
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RST38hMghm19:42
RST38hAnother day another Lumia19:42
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DocScrutinizer05hm?19:59
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totalizatorhmm, how come there is no Weechat build for Maemo?20:17
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k273hi guys20:25
k273wanna ask: is it true that a certain finnish phone maker is giving new life to maemo/meego?20:25
k273thanks20:25
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DocScrutinizer05Flop will not allow that21:07
DocScrutinizer05unless you meant Jolla maemo based mer/nemo flavour21:08
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Raimuhttp://www.huuto.net/kohteet/nokia-n950-developer-kit/23510272821:30
Ken-YoungI am having trouble with the scratchbox-based SDK for Maemo 5.   I had to re-install it on my Ubuntu laptop.   The SDK will compile things etc, but when I test code using Xepher, the Hildon widgets don't quite work properly.   Specifically, the menus do not show any text the first time they are displayed, but they do show text on all subsequent times.   Also, mouse import events are missed, checkboxes are not updated, etc.   Has anyon21:30
Ken-Younge else seen that problem?21:30
RaimuSomeone's selling a N950 on the Finnish auction system!21:30
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jaskathe buy now price is hilarious22:05
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tomfordhello, I just got an n810 and cannot find a flasher for lion or mt lion. Anyone know where I might find one? The link on maemo.org is PPC only22:20
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timelessjaska: did you see http://breanieswordvomit.tumblr.com/post/30886300092/thedailywhat-legitimate-drowning-of-the-day22:38
timelessand if you did/didn't, having now seen it, do you understand it?22:38
timelesstomford: virtualbox22:41
* wmarone saves the image22:41
timelessuse the linux flasher :)22:41
timelesshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.522:43
timelessseems that the flasher-3.5 should work22:43
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tomfordyeah I thought about creating a virtual machine, but I wasnt sure if I needed to. I did try flasher 3.5 and it did not work. I got back flasher-3.5 not found. However I did successfully install the package as far as I can tell. But I searched my system and I do not see flasher-3.5 anywhere.22:50
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tomfordI think I will just use linux. I have updated to the latest version of ubuntu... does the linux flasher work with the latest ubuntu? Also I usually use parallels, any reason to use virtualbox over parallels?22:54
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tomfordthanks I might check back later22:58
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SkryIs there any real-world benefits of linaro toolchain over crosstools-ng?23:07
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RST38hAt a centimetre thick, the 920 truly is a formidably substantial slab. Tipping the scales at 185g, it's closer to Nokia's last brick (the 220g Nokia 9500) than the Galaxy S3 (130g), and only the N900 in recent years comes close.23:18
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timelessSkry: linaro may have patched gcc to not crash when emitting some stuff23:21
timelesse.g. there seems to be a fix for some neon opcode which only linaro has23:22
keriotimeless: did you seriously suggest flashing over virtualbox23:23
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timelesskerio: more or less, yes :)23:23
timelessa stable linux vm is pretty easy to find for this23:23
keriostable USB on the other hand, is not23:23
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timelessdealing w/ OS X kernel changes if your os x software includes a driver written by people who probably don't know what they're doing23:24
timelessis much riskier23:24
timelessodds are better that the VirtualBox OS X USB driver will work than your stale OS X driver23:24
timelessi know, it sounds stupid, but.23:24
kerioit's not even a driver23:24
kerioit's just libusb23:24
timelessthat's still a driver of sorts, no?23:24
timelessiirc some portion of flasher forced a reboot23:24
timelessand, while in theory there may be newer versions of libusb, flasher-3.5 itself won't magically have them23:25
timelessgah, libusb.org is slow23:26
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timelessSkry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/+bug/803232 is the neon crash that came to mind fwiw23:27
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timelesshttp://www.libusb.org/log/libusb/libusb/os/darwin_usb.c is the list of fixes (more or less) for darwin23:27
timelesssome portion of them are definitely post flasher-3.5's ship date :)23:27
timeless   @0c5bf0  12 monthsvlovich Darwin: Reduce race likelihood between cancellation and device disconnect …23:28
timelessis cute :)23:28
timeless   @d38dd5  2 yearshchan Darwin: write iso transfer details into correct packets23:28
timelessis amusing23:28
keriohaha23:29
timelesscheck out the changeset!23:30
timelessit really is scribling over the wrong place23:30
timelesspretty cool23:30
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timelesswell, at least it's consistently scribling over a single place :)23:30
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Skrytimeless: ok, thanks. have to compile some performance critical stuff so was looking for some improvements.23:31
timelessSkry: oh, i wouldn't expect perf wins23:31
timelessbut, having been told about gcc upstream botching that neon thing23:31
timelessand discovering that linaro has a fix23:31
timeless...23:31
* timeless grumbles23:31
timelesswhy can't all the little kiddies share?23:32
timelessdid i mention that i *hate* downstreams?23:32
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Skrymight be that little kiddies are selfish and/or greedy sometimes23:35
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user___yo23:37
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vi___I just sold a chinese motorcycle.23:38
vi___I am going to celebrate wigh a pork chop.23:38
vi___I made a 300% profit.23:39
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keriovi___: someone is selling a n950 on a finnish auction site23:40
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vi___uh huh.23:40
vi___how much.23:40
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vi___?23:41
kerio600€23:41
keriowell, it's the starting price23:41
keriowith what i think is the price to buy instantly set at 1490€23:41
keriohttp://www.huuto.net/kohteet/nokia-n950-developer-kit/23510272823:41
kerioyep23:41
vi___You gonna buy it?23:42
kerioshit no23:42
vi___lols23:42
vi___how no?23:42
keriothe n950 sucks balls23:42
vi___this is true.23:42
kerionow, if i could put fremantle on it...23:43
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vi___if only I could put strait up debian on it.23:44
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