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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you have all my feels | 00:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: did anyone unban him btw? | 00:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 00:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | nope | 00:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: why lcuk is banned? | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because that's a procy of a loved dead perosn | 00:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | he asked for it? | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | proxy of a loved dead person* | 00:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lcuk left this game stage. Nobody knows if voluntarily or by a childish mood or an accident | 00:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | i was shoked when i found out | 00:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | he was ncie guy | 00:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | and what u mean by accident? | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we all miss him, and we feel bad seeing a 'bot' impersonating him | 00:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | his child was born just before, right? | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right | 00:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | =( | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean nobody got the whole story except his wife | 00:38 |
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| kerio | :c | 00:38 |
| kerio | damn, i didn't kno | 00:38 |
| kerio | w | 00:38 |
| kerio | ...unsurprisingly, there's a related xkcd: http://xkcd.com/686/ | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so we just think of him with love and warm feelings and hope he entered a better stage of the never ending game | 00:39 |
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| kerio | when did that happen? | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | over a year ago | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lcuk been one of our most honoured members | 00:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | he was kind and with real spirit of help | 00:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | always nice to people | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it realy hurt everybody except the noobs | 00:42 |
| kerio | goddammit, i used to hang out in #liqbase too | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 00:42 |
| kerio | or whatever the channel for that was, i can't even remember :/ | 00:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | as i say a lot lately, i miss old #maemo a lot. not only people and mood. but time it self | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now we have estels | 00:43 |
| kerio | not really, you guys banned him | 00:43 |
| kerio | >:D | 00:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | kerio: but look how quite it is :P | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, sometimes I feel so tired of all that | 00:44 |
| kerio | http://www.adventuresofadamnfool.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/quite.jpeg | 00:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm still interested how many people donated for N900 mod :p as maemo may die soon with all the Nokia situation(hosting and stuff) and still no even small preview or prove of concept | 00:44 |
| kerio | n900 mod? | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FOSS once been a community of nerds | 00:45 |
| kerio | oh, estel_'s? | 00:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | kerio: yup | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now it's a loose conglomeration of trolls | 00:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | interesting if i make donate app for my shitty app, would i get at least one donation? +) | 00:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: meh, trolls were fun once | 00:46 |
| kerio | which app? | 00:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | kerio: for harmattan | 00:46 |
| kerio | laaaaaaaaaaaaaame | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, back in the ole' good tinmes even trolls were more fun | 00:46 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://youtu.be/Cdiz0k0Rudw | 00:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | kerio: for n900 i have 0.1% of app :P | 00:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | kerio: but at least i know 1 person uses it | 00:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 actually wishes pupnick back | 00:46 | |
| ZogG_laptop | pupncik is something familiar | 00:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | what happend to him and where is he? | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he's either dead or still in Frankfurt | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suffered a stroke or sth | 00:47 |
| * kerio is suddenly scared of his n900 | 00:49 | |
| ZogG_laptop | kerio: usb? | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | had to take heavy medication to keep running. Once every 2 months he missind taking his pills | 00:49 |
| kerio | no, apparently members of its community suffer a constant stream of tragedies | 00:49 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: goddammit | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he asked me to ban him permanently | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I did him this favour, though I wasn't happy when doing so | 00:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no fun | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually missing him. He at least was honest and of straigght intentions | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I knew when he was going loose | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *and* every now and then he contributed valuable thoughts | 00:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | find him | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hard to accomplish. He's switching nicks | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen pupnik | 00:56 |
| infobot | pupnik <PugVader@p54B29D69.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 336d 22h 6m ago, saying: 'tegra chipset?'. | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | geep irclogs for pugvader | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grep* | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or even for pug* | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I hope he's well and eventually drops by | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, how we loved our old decent trolls. And what we got now | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | youngsters with no clue what's diablo, but thinking they are peak of evolution of homo digitalis, and git the right to bitch on elders on whose shoulders they stand | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | hello and good eveninf | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi ShadowJK my friend | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | tbh, elders are pretty mouldy | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | but once in a while mould is useful | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile they are. Got rotten by the bitching | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; heard of a brewery called dortmunder hansa-brauerei? | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if all maemo users were Asians, it'd be no problem. Asian culture got a sense of respect for ancestors and elders | 01:07 |
| * ZogG_laptop is prepearing place for DocScrutinizer05 in the elder house :P | 01:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks, already got one | 01:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | how did i miss qwerty here | 01:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean i was here when he was here | 01:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i never knew all drama details | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just waiting for my retirement in 5 years, to start straviing to death | 01:10 |
| ShadowJK | guys at $work just ordered a pallet of beer again. This time, by my influence, a german beer instead of a danish maize and sugar beer. :P | 01:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: why starving? | 01:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | my fav is german | 01:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | t least one thing they do right :P | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | retirement in 5 years? You're not grumpy and bitter enough to be that old | 01:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: today i was told german are still having nazi moods :P | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: maybe I missed a "1" | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 01:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | ShadowJK: oh, he is bitter and grumpy enuf | 01:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | but still young :P | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | need more sugar | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | sweeten him right up | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: some assholes got nazi mood. But not only in Germany | 01:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 prefers ethanol to sugar today | 01:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | enough of sugar in hitchcock orange juice and Bols blue | 01:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: they banned brit-mila (circumstaising - how do you spell it) in german i heard | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, funny | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | next they ban earring hole punching | 01:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think it should be the start | 01:15 |
| Ikarus | They didn]t | 01:15 |
| Ikarus | ban circumcision | 01:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | ban earring hole punching... in penis | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't care. nobody gonna cit anything off my body ;-P | 01:16 |
| Ikarus | they just made it a proper voluntary medical procedure | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cut* | 01:16 |
| Ikarus | ie, only for 18+ | 01:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | Ikarus: i mean the actually not the process but religious roots of it | 01:16 |
| Ikarus | ZogG_laptop: religious roots luckily are irrelevant to the German courts | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | I'm told "hansa export" costs 30c/.5l in german grocery store.. In this bulk order we got ... 24*.33 for 14E, or approx 90cent per .5 litre :) | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | religion is kinda madness in my book | 01:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | Ikarus: there are jews there | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | and still everyone is overjoyed | 01:17 |
| Ikarus | ZogG_laptop: so ? | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so no empathy | 01:17 |
| Ikarus | ZogG_laptop: they are still German citizens or inhabitants | 01:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | Ikarus: actually it's not healthy to do at 18+ and dangerous, that's why i decided not to | 01:17 |
| Ikarus | ZogG_laptop: no reason treating them different because they have an imaginary friend | 01:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | Ikarus: yeah and? it's not about nationality but religion... | 01:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | but again i don't really care | 01:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | it just depend on intentions | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If you wanna cut off your children's clit or cock or whatever else, travel to your own coubtry where that maybe is accepted practice | 01:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | if it's banned just for more civil reasons i don't care | 01:18 |
| Ikarus | ZogG_laptop: circumcision is needlessly maiming a child | 01:18 |
| Ikarus | needless from a medical perspective | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | country* | 01:19 |
| Ikarus | DocScrutinizer05: Germany is considering making that illegal aswell now | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's again some bullshit idea | 01:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | Ikarus: i disagree on medical part. a lot countries do that as it's more (what the word for clearness) | 01:19 |
| Ikarus | ZogG_laptop: only the USA and Japan do that | 01:20 |
| Ikarus | based on very dodgy research | 01:20 |
| Ikarus | so not "a lot" | 01:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | Ikarus: there are still unclear medical decision made for children | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where I stopped counting? 3? | 01:20 |
| Ikarus | cutting into healthy children, not on my watch | 01:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 heads to kitchen to prepsre another delicios longdrink | 01:21 | |
| ZogG_laptop | Ikarus: that's the point, the best age to do it is 8 days old : | 01:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 01:21 |
| Ikarus | ZogG_laptop: hence DON'T | 01:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | i wouldn't midn mine to be cut when i was 8 days old, but not now | 01:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: tea island? | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | beefeater, Bols blue curacao, orange juice | 01:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i know what is orange juice | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't know beefeater and bols blue? | 01:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | nope | 01:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | msot coctails for me is vodka/arak + something | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, blame your messed up country | 01:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | why? | 01:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's what i know, like and go for | 01:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | my choice :P | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, got an unopened bottle of Absilut vodka in my ***freezer | 01:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | i had coctails like AMF | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Absolut* | 01:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | where it's rom tequila vodka and more all together :P but i don't like rom/whiskey | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll not open it unless I managed to freeze the stuff | 01:27 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i like vodka/arak/beer/breineger(how u spell it)/few types of wine/tquila sometimes | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | good brown tequila is good stuff | 01:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | never tried | 01:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm simple man with simple needs | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cheers | 01:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | like i don;t eat any parts of animals except meat it self | 01:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | i eat simple food and most fancy is just not tasty | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | here stuff it so mad and crazy you can't eat a donaut based on that premise | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | donut* | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's real cherry in shampoo, and artificial cherry in drinks | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and probbaly rela shampoo aroma in artificial cherry drinks | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the strawberry aroma in yoghurt is made of trees, but you can get incence with true dried strawberrys | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | berries even | 01:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: it's everywhere | 01:33 |
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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: world is going mad | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depressing perversion | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | candy isn't kosher | 01:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't care about kosher | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but cat6food might be | 01:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | i respect people who wants to keep it till they respect my choise | 01:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | my gf eats kosher only | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | just no use in worrying about it in our mad world | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically it's all a mix of mist tasty garbage and you can even choose the flavour (though artificial) | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's biocide in everything | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing without genetic manipulation | 01:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | even if i eat human meat i don't care untill 1)it's tasty 2)i don't know that | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you can bet some idiot already pondered piping his chenical waste inti tap water supply | 01:40 |
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| ZogG_laptop | it happens in a lot of places. people spit and pi on food. u just don't know | 01:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's why the secret is just not to think of it | 01:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | at least most places people don't wash hands after toiltet | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah. I don't wanna know | 01:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: that's the point. ignorance is bless actually :P | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I got a friggin lack of that | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recalling some minor sidenote somebody uttered 5 years ago. not something you usually feel happy about | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway dudes, enjoy your time. see you later | 01:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | night | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thnaks to proper collaboration of some of the better trolls, we seem to have seen tofay 5 bans, done by 3 differnet chanops | 01:54 |
| nox-- | bye doc | 01:55 |
| nox-- | sweet dreams :) | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or been it 5 kicks by 3 chanops? | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway quite some Guiness record, for #ameo* | 01:57 |
| nox-- | uh oh... | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8, nox-- | 01:58 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Hi, is it possible to define a key binding globally? So I can press, say, ctrl-shift-v to run vim | 03:00 |
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| kerio | ZogG_laptop: the point is not circumcision, the point is forcing a useless and **dangerous** medical procedure on a child | 09:25 |
| kerio | genital mutilation is definetely not a good thing | 09:26 |
| kerio | also note that the ban doesn't prevent circumcision, even at a young age, for valid medical reasons | 09:26 |
| kerio | and it doesn't prevent circumcision on adults | 09:28 |
| kerio | LaoLang_cool: xbindkeys | 09:30 |
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| LaoLang_cool | kerio, thank you, will try | 10:18 |
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| trumee | is there any place i can buy a genuine N900 battery in UK? | 10:36 |
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| Lava_Croft | trumee: probably a lot of webshops? | 11:00 |
| Lava_Croft | BL-5J is quite common afaik | 11:00 |
| trumee | Lava_Croft, yeah being common is the problem. more likelyhood of a fake | 11:03 |
| Lava_Croft | trumee: I had trouble finding a fake one in a Dutch webshop | 11:03 |
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| Lava_Croft | 'trouble' | 11:03 |
| Lava_Croft | enter 'bl-5j site:uk' in google | 11:04 |
| Lava_Croft | without the '' | 11:04 |
| Lava_Croft | Genuine BL-5J goes for 9euros in the webshop where i bought em | 11:05 |
| Lava_Croft | no idea how much quid that would be | 11:05 |
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| kerio | >genuine | 11:14 |
| kerio | >9€ | 11:14 |
| kerio | LOL | 11:14 |
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| kerio | when talking about SDs and batteries, if you got them for cheap then they're fake | 11:19 |
| kerio | no exception | 11:19 |
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| Lava_Croft | and you assume 9euros = fake? | 11:21 |
| kerio | yep | 11:22 |
| Lava_Croft | Weird assumption | 11:22 |
| Lava_Croft | 9 to 14 euros is the common price to genuine BL-5J's over here:) | 11:23 |
| Lava_Croft | depending on where you buy it | 11:23 |
| LaoLang_cool | why xkeybinds doesn't work here... | 11:24 |
| LaoLang_cool | I use a default rc file, but the setting doesn't take any effects | 11:24 |
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| LaoLang_cool | control+shift+q doesn't do a "xbindkeys_show" | 11:25 |
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| ShadowJK | 9E might be a genuine bl-5j, but it's probably old stock | 14:10 |
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| Lava_Croft | yup | 14:27 |
| Lava_Croft | and its certainly a genuine one, well genuine 4 | 14:27 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 14:27 |
| Lava_Croft | but there's always people who, through the tubes of the internet, can see if they are genuine | 14:28 |
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| ShadowJK | the new bl-5 are 1400-something mAh | 14:29 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK: and a double scud is almost 3000 :D | 14:30 |
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| kerio | has anyone ever encountered an error in image-viewer that prevents any kind of image display while claiming that there's "insufficient memory to display the image"? | 15:34 |
| kerio | i don't even know how to troubleshoot it | 15:34 |
| ShadowJK | do you have swap enabled? | 15:35 |
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| kerio | yep | 15:38 |
| kerio | ...i hope | 15:38 |
| kerio | man, if it's *that*... | 15:39 |
| MrPingu | and? is it *that*? | 15:40 |
| kerio | idk, it's booting | 15:40 |
| kerio | nope, it's not that | 15:41 |
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| kerio | ... | 15:41 |
| kerio | .. fucking . | 15:42 |
| MrPingu | Already restored that backup? | 15:42 |
| kerio | no, i didn't even make it | 15:42 |
| kerio | found the problem | 15:42 |
| kerio | ish | 15:42 |
| kerio | i don't... | 15:42 |
| kerio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXScRvd0Zs | 15:43 |
| kerio | this is how i fee | 15:43 |
| kerio | l | 15:43 |
| kerio | yep, found the problem | 15:43 |
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| kerio | so... | 15:44 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: how big is the default emmc swap? | 15:44 |
| kerio | (rhetorical question) | 15:44 |
| kerio | (but please answer) | 15:44 |
| ShadowJK | 76i | 15:45 |
| ShadowJK | 768M | 15:45 |
| kerio | ok | 15:45 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 15:45 |
| kerio | how big is my 4gb swap partition? | 15:45 |
| ShadowJK | it's 0 if you overflow signed integer? :) | 15:45 |
| kerio | ex fucking actly | 15:45 |
| ShadowJK | does it work with emmc swap? | 15:46 |
| kerio | yep | 15:46 |
| ShadowJK | lol, fantastic | 15:46 |
| kerio | should i make my swap partitions smaller or bigger, then? | 15:46 |
| ShadowJK | what if you have uSD 4g swap at prio 10 and emmc swap at prio 5? | 15:46 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: eeh, i found that it still uses the swap at the lower priority | 15:46 |
| kerio | just much less so | 15:47 |
| ShadowJK | not if it's 0 in use | 15:47 |
| kerio | no, i mean, i actually tried this at some point | 15:47 |
| ShadowJK | in other words. if you disable/enable emmc when usd is in use | 15:47 |
| kerio | together with compcache, too - which is stupid | 15:47 |
| kerio | hm | 15:48 |
| kerio | i just don't want to, though | 15:48 |
| ShadowJK | I always have emmc swap enabled too, a side effect | 15:48 |
| kerio | it's stupid | 15:48 |
| kerio | and i'd have to adjust my swapswap script | 15:48 |
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| kerio | well, this is fun | 15:49 |
| kerio | and by fun i mean FUCKING STUPID | 15:49 |
| kerio | gaah, and this piece of crap isn't even open | 15:50 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK: what would you do? | 15:54 |
| ShadowJK | my scripts already accidentally leaves emmc enabled :) | 15:55 |
| kerio | haha | 15:57 |
| kerio | meh, you know what, my script is actually pretty good | 15:57 |
| kerio | but i don't want to deal with swap priorities :s | 15:58 |
| kerio | maybe i'll make it 5gb? | 16:00 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fukken nokia got me again | 16:00 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK: do you think 512M would be ok for image-viewer? | 16:04 |
| ShadowJK | probably | 16:04 |
| kerio | meh, it's actually a pretty bad thing regardless | 16:04 |
| kerio | because i could have a very low free swap modulo 2GiB, but still have a lot free | 16:05 |
| kerio | this is a serious problem ._. | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I think I told you not to use insanely large swap | 16:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: good morning | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: maybe you want to read manpages about swap and swap related stuff | 16:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: did u finish Absolut? | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even started with absolut | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kept that for today ;-D | 16:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 16:08 |
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| ShadowJK | he wont find in manpages that nokia's "is thereenough memory?" heurestics have overflows :) | 16:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but swap itself has limitations | 16:10 |
| kerio | the only thing that complains is the fucking image-viewer | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite some time since I investigated all this, but I recall limits both in size of single partition as well as in max number of partitions | 16:10 |
| kerio | i'm afraid 2gb will overflow too :c | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and definitely large swap means huge tables resident in RAM which, at a certain turnaround point, negates the purpose of swap | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a certain fixed ratio between size of swap space and size of stay-resident management tables | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's assume this ration is 100:1 (an arbitrary number I picked), then for 2GB swap you'll 'waste' 20MB of RAM | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ration/ratio/ | 16:14 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: let's assume this ratio is 100:1 (an arbitrary number I picked), then for 2GB swap you'll 'waste' 20MB of RAM | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably you also waste CPU cycles to manage that huge amount of swap | 16:15 |
| kerio | so i should just use a 1gb partition? | 16:15 |
| kerio | that sounds... small :c | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure you can't speed up IO bandwidth, so from a certain max size of swap you'll find device frozen in minutes of swap IO | 16:16 |
| Ikarus | urgh | 16:16 |
| kerio | surely you mean *used* swap there | 16:16 |
| Ikarus | swap trashing | 16:16 |
| Ikarus | one thing that needs to to be fixed on Linux | 16:17 |
| kerio | Ikarus: fun fact: your n900 is *constantly* swap trashing | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically nowadays swap sizes >RAM*3 are useless | 16:17 |
| Ikarus | kerio: swap trashing means interactivity goes down the drain due to swap behaving | 16:17 |
| Ikarus | most of the time my N900 doesn't get quite that far | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | back in times where swap was RAM*10 or even *20, it been considered acceptable when system stalls for several seconds when swapping. Main concern been to get jobs done at all | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and systems been so slow it was basically irrelevant if a task needed 30min to terminate, or 5h (with massive swapping). As said above, main concern: it finishes at all eventually | 16:19 |
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| kerio | ...wait, wtf | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now you want "realtime" and this absolutely rules out huge swap sizes | 16:20 |
| kerio | usb mass storage exports the whole sd? | 16:20 |
| kerio | i really hope the swap partition is somehow locked | 16:20 |
| kerio | :s | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, afaik MSM exports the first partition if that partition is VFAT | 16:21 |
| kerio | well, my os x is definetely aware that the uSD has three partitions | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, are you sure that's not 3 devices with no partition? | 16:22 |
| kerio | two devices, one with a single vfat partition (mydocs), and another with three partitions, vfat and two linux swap | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* cssu ke-recv got patched to export all partitions on uSD | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 16:23 |
| kerio | s/all partitions on uSD/the uSD/ | 16:23 |
| kerio | oh, btw, i'm running cssu-devel now | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 16:24 |
| kerio | i'm not sure g_file_storage can export more than two files | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, there's a script doing that. You may tweak it to meet your needs | 16:24 |
| kerio | so if you want to export more partitions, you have to export a whole device with a partition table | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh | 16:26 |
| kerio | hm, it's not that i think | 16:26 |
| kerio | that's callable to export manually something | 16:26 |
| kerio | ooh, g_file_storage has a way to export more than two devices | 16:27 |
| kerio | anyway, no, that script is called by something else to enable ass rage mode | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | /sbin/modprobe g_file_storage stall=0 luns=2 removable | 16:28 |
| kerio | yep | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luns=<num-of-exported> | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh will be called by ke-recv, with phy device to export as parameter | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now it's built to get called max twice | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first call exportsa to LUN0, second to LUN1 | 16:34 |
| ShadowJK | the idea of using a ludicrously large swap partition isn't to have room for more apps running, device becomes mostly unusable at around 200-400M swap in use anyway. The idea is that it takes longer before 4g gets fragmented than it takes for 1g to get fragmented | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually a 3rd call will override the second | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by redefining LUN1, aiui | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if it gets called by a events.d script, a init.d script, some helper script called by ke-recv or directly by ke-recv | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems /usr/sbin/ke-recv has a reference to /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I assume it's called directly by ke-recv process | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask pali if you want to learn more, iirc he patched ke-recv | 16:40 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: yeah but DocScrutinizer05 claims that a 4gb fragmented swap partition will take exactly 4gb worth of reads to be swapoffed | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I never said that | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I said that due to fragmentation, your real amount of reads will be way more than the 'used' swap suggests | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you got one 512byte block used per MB of swap space, your swapoff will need to read in the page containing that 1MB for each block to swap in | 16:45 |
| kerio | anyway, you can stop complaining now | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which, regarding read speed both on interface and on MMC internal controller, creates a significant overhead | 16:46 |
| kerio | i've got a 1gb partition | 16:46 |
| kerio | and besides, swapon is basically free, and ionice -c 3 nice swapoff should put absolutely no strain whatsoever on the system | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 16:48 |
| kerio | although i'm not sure ionicing swapoff will help | 16:48 |
| kerio | because well, it's a kernel thing | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swapoff does no IO basically | 16:55 |
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| kerio | anyway, we need an opensource replacement for image-viewer | 16:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually a funny bug | 17:16 |
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| jonwil | the parts needed to fix my N900 have finally arrived | 17:32 |
| jonwil | need to go to the repair shop next week and get them to sort it :) | 17:32 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: or maybe i'll just get jacekowski to edit the binary | 17:33 |
| kerio | and crack the free ram check | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should be pretty simple | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least when you can live without that check | 17:35 |
| kerio | hell yeah i can | 17:35 |
| kerio | well, now i don't know | 17:35 |
| kerio | i only have 1gb of swap | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disabling the check it simple like flipping one bit in a compare condition | 17:36 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: huh... not really | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/it/is | 17:36 |
| kerio | i want the check to succeed both times | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 17:36 |
| kerio | not only when there's "not enough ram" as it thinks | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wut? | 17:36 |
| kerio | which compare would you make there? | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you want the check to take "not enough ram2 path no matter what the real situation? | 17:37 |
| kerio | it would have to be "lesser or greater or equal" | 17:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, i want the check to take the other path :) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much | 17:37 |
| kerio | regardless of ram | 17:38 |
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| kerio | so it's more than a bit | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if the compare is "<0" now, you can change it to "=0" | 17:38 |
| kerio | it could be a byte or maybe two! | 17:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but what if you have exactly as much free ram as the threshold? | 17:38 |
| kerio | (modulo 4GiB) | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course you always can change the branch destination addr to point directly behind the branch | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: (exactly as much) then you're fsckd ;-P | 17:39 |
| kerio | hell naw | 17:39 |
| kerio | just hope the correct branch is the one right below, and change that to a NOP | 17:39 |
| kerio | or, if it's not, change it to a JMP | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway it's simple | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | other possible fix would be to patch the system function that returns the free ram value | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could even be done per LD_PRELOAD I think | 17:41 |
| kerio | i actually thought about that | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | swapoff on fragmented space is mostly a cpu dominated operation, and then followed by the high command overhead. 4K chunks, only VAX used 512 :) | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the return value of that function is uint, while it's compared as a signed integer | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if MSB is set, it turns negative | 17:42 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: 4gb would overflow anyway | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, we've seen that somewhere else last few months ;-P | 17:43 |
| kerio | it's 32bit | 17:43 |
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| Timmy | why do i need to enter a CAPTCHA while i am registered in maemo talk when i try to send a new topic? | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: if the function returns byte, then yes | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if the function returns maybe words or dwords, then it's 8GB or 16GB | 17:49 |
| Timmy | also can't set a picture for my profile | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I rather think we're running into age old 32bit limitations here | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Timmy: either you are not registered, or tmo is in pathological state (not really something unheard) | 17:51 |
| Timmy | DocScrutinizer05: tmo? | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tmo | 17:52 |
| infobot | tmo is probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 17:52 |
| Timmy | also i am registered and my username is Timmy on the website, and it's a while that i am facing this problem | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 17:53 |
| Timmy | not a anoyoing problem, just reporting that | 17:53 |
| Timmy | err, anoying | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, thanks | 17:53 |
| Timmy | yw | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think you should contact Reggie, maintainer of tmo | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or wait for chem|st to picjk up on this threaqd here | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe chem|st can do something to investigate | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno about which powers he got on tmo | 17:55 |
| Timmy | ping chem|st | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: see ^^^ - tmo behaving mad | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I dunno if that's maybe normal. Though I don't think so. It could be two unrelated probelms as well | 18:03 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but it reported the wrong size for me, and i had ~4G + 256M | 18:09 |
| kerio | well, maybe slightly more than 4g of free ram | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even 32bit desktop linux works particularly great with more than 4GB RAM (ok, slightly different issue, but still...) | 18:10 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: would it be theoretically possible to install a faster cpu and more ram on a n900? | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 18:19 |
| kerio | how feasible would that be? | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hard to say, depends on a lot of preconditions | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for the faster, you might find a CPU up to 1GHz I think, for RAM you have to see what you can get | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then swap the whole chip, gifted SMD reworkers can probably do that with ~50% to 75% yield | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after some practice | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 25% chances on the first few devices to undergo that rework | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. calculate for 10 to 20 devices to practice, and you may find you established a maintainable and sustainable process | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or not, if some unknown murphy effect strikes | 18:23 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you don't have a job right now, right? | 18:23 |
| kerio | i have a business proposal for you! | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you just need a source for the better chips, and the chips shouldn't be locked | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: sorry, I can't afford this | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if I had some 5..10k EUR to 'waste', I'd maybe consider it | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | break-even point would take me to sell quite a number of those pimped N900 though | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems like I'd need at very least 30 preorders, if the rework costs 200EUR | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or take the risk I won't find 30 customers willing to pay 200EUR for the rework, and lose my investment | 18:28 |
| kerio | i'm prepared to invest TENS of euros in this project | 18:28 |
| kerio | maybe even two or three tens | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, then that's obviously a business model for you, not for me | 18:28 |
| kerio | ok fine, i'm prepared to invest 200€ | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm more than happy to help with theory | 18:29 |
| kerio | but i want an upgraded n900 at the end | 18:29 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: ping | 19:27 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: ooh, it appears that bq27200 changed something in the calibration data without actually performing a full calibration | 19:28 |
| kerio | it went from 1305 mAh to 1303 for the full charge | 19:28 |
| kerio | is that legit? | 19:28 |
| Sicelo | i believe so, yes | 19:30 |
| kerio | yay | 19:31 |
| * kerio mourns the loss of 2 mAhs | 19:32 | |
| Sicelo | :P | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: aging | 20:29 |
| kerio | happens to everyone :) | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see config in ROM data from bq27k-detail.sh | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually bin/bq27k-detail : SD=201 thousandths of percent per day AGELMD=1 | 20:33 |
| kerio | hm | 20:33 |
| kerio | so it's not actually measured | 20:33 |
| kerio | laaaaaaaame | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | means the chip will reduce your LastMeasuredDischarge by 0.202% per day | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to account for naural aging of cell chemistry | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | natural* | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course that's a rough guesstimate method | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but after 30(?) cycles CI=1 anyway, so you will probably never really see massive impact of cell aging | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since you should run a learning cycle to reset CI=0 | 20:36 |
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| kerio | CI? | 20:37 |
| kerio | "idk what's going on lol"? | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CalculationIncorrect | 20:37 |
| kerio | =D | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | means "forget all values the chip displays, probably bogus" | 20:38 |
| kerio | i'll have to download your script again | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for your convenience | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just wget them | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and chmod +x | 20:41 |
| Sicelo | nice script there, calibrate-bq27k.sh .. how about calling `charge21.sh` instead of bme for resuming chaarging? | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: >> 0 CI Capacity Inaccurate flag. A 1 indicates no valid learning cycle. << | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: you're free to edit ;-) | 20:47 |
| Sicelo | ;) | 20:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I invested lots of my precious time to make bq27k-detail2.sh output a tad educational. You should use that opportunity | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 20:54 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: k | 21:02 |
| esaym153 | anyone know where the source code is that handles changing the background image in diablo? | 21:03 |
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| JZA | hi unfortunately I kinda bricked my phone | 21:05 |
| JZA | anyone can help me restore it | 21:05 |
| JZA | I applied a patch and didnt reboot instead the thing just half ass boot | 21:05 |
| kerio | JZA: full reset, coldflash, reflash vanilla+combined | 21:05 |
| kerio | oh, you just need the latest then | 21:05 |
| kerio | "bricked" is much harder than that | 21:06 |
| kerio | load rescueos and then undo the patch | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, why coldflash? | 21:06 |
| JZA | kerio: well by half ass boot means I cant even see the screen | 21:06 |
| kerio | or maybe reboot without watchdogs (via rd flag) | 21:06 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: he said bricked | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he said "OMGitDoesNotWork!" | 21:06 |
| JZA | kerio: only my keys get light up, but I dont get any sort of prompt cant get on the wifi so I cant even remote access it | 21:07 |
| kerio | rescueos could save you | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: reflash | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 21:07 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:07 |
| kerio | otherwise, reflash and then restore the backupmenu backup you surely have done before tinkering with your system, right? | 21:07 |
| kerio | right? | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:08 |
| kerio | RIGHT? | 21:08 |
| JZA | I do have some backups, not as current as I wish | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: please! be gentle to new users | 21:08 |
| kerio | "<Mr. Wolf> so pretty please, with sugar on top, clean the fucking car" | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: try reflashing (unless you got extremely valuable data in your rootfs - a location you usually don't touch as normal user) | 21:09 |
| kerio | ~rescueos | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 21:10 |
| kerio | ...dammit infobot | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: why confuse new users? | 21:10 |
| kerio | JZA: if you had a shell, could you undo the damage? | 21:10 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: unix is to be fixed, not reinstalled | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: if he had a shell, he probably had mentioned it | 21:10 |
| kerio | he could have one | 21:11 |
| kerio | with rescueos! | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he could as well be a trolling kernel guru | 21:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | he's asking "OMG, my device is bricked! it doesn't boot anymore" which, taking in account the further explanations, was already incorrect, since it boots but doesn't obviously finish to load hildon | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: if he had messed around with glibc or initscripts, he probably had mentioned that | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: reflashing will reset your rootfs, but (if you don't flash eMMC/VANILLA image, sth usually not necessary) it will keep your user data incl messages and call log and all | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only thing you need to restore from backup are the applications themselves | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | backup restore offers an option to select what to restore. DO NOT restore your user data, it would reset the still living data to the state of your last backup | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: in any case *always* do a backup before you do any restore. So you can revert and possible damage done by restore, by restoring to the current backup you did | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no restore without previous immediate backup, never! | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seen users "restoring" their perfectly sane system to dead too many times | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/dead/death/ | 21:18 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: seen users "restoring" their perfectly sane system to death too many times | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: if you run into trouble with simple flashing of rootfs/COMBINED, come back here ask for help | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT flash eMMC/VANILLA | 21:19 |
| JZA | okk | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:19 |
| JZA | DocScrutinizer05: I remember this process I never did it because the USB didnt work for me. It had problems detecting the device. I am using Mandriva Linux | 21:20 |
| JZA | I hope this time works better | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the key is to blacklist cdc_phonet | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | instructions how to accomplish that are in wiki I pointed at | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope they apply to mandriva as well | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: out of curiosity: what's been that "applied patch"? | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: what exactly did you do? | 21:31 |
| JZA | it was... a module that will give priority to userland process | 21:31 |
| JZA | meant to be able make the calling trump other process on the bg | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 21:34 |
| JZA | DocScrutinizer05: anyway I need to juice up the mobile first | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: (patch) _all_ that is already in stock maemo | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by default | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since Nokia engineers had same brilliant idea, you know ;-) | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: (juice up) does that mean your battery is low? if so, flashing may fail. You should be extremely careful about battery usage (even while charger plugged in it will still eat battery until you 'fixed' your problem!) | 21:38 |
| JZA | JZA: so what can I do? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | test for battery (and other prerequisits for flashing): press and hold "u", plug in fastcharger, check if NOKIA screen with USB logo upper right is steady. If not, your battery is too weak | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need to get your battery charged by external charger or other means independant of N900 | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, this test of course needs to be done on powered-down device | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. remove battery, reinsert battery, hold 'u', plug in charger | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after test renove battery again immediately, to make sure it won't deplete | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if device comes up with dim NOKIA screen but doesn't stay there with USB logo, then it's your battery that's too weak. If device doesn't come up at all, either your fastcharger or your battery or your USB receptacle is defect. OR you need a coldflash to restore NOLO bootloader (rarely ever needed) | 21:44 |
| JZA | well this will take a while | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't elaborate now on distinguishing between those different defects, unless you actually got that problem | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: removing and inserting battery, holding u and plugging in charger will take a while? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how so? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can do all that in less than 60s | 21:46 |
| JZA | charging the battery will take a while | 21:46 |
| JZA | how fast can u do that? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, your battery is too weak? | 21:46 |
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| JZA | yeah | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you got an external charger for charging it outside N900? | 21:47 |
| JZA | no | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 will NOT charge your battery unless you got flashing amber LED | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it will DIScharge battery even further in that case | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: please talk to us, we're trying to help! | 21:48 |
| JZA | is charging alright | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we can't if we don't know what's going on at your side | 21:49 |
| JZA | but will take a couple of hours at least | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, so it's charging. That is *good* | 21:49 |
| esaym153 | is there a way to change the background image with gconftool (or any command) in diablo? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | esaym153: sorry, I never looked into that | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe eventually some other more experienced diablo user may pick up on your question (they are rare even in here now) | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N8x0 change background, anybody? | 21:52 |
| beford | what is the question? how to do it? | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | via cmdline | 21:54 |
| beford | ah no idea :P | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I'd have no idea how to do it on fremantle | 21:56 |
| JZA | http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/gconf-6.html.en | 21:56 |
| trumee | why does no *female* microusb cable exist? | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 21:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 looks at his several "female" cables | 21:57 | |
| beford | that's sexisy | 21:57 |
| trumee | i want to connect nokia charger with microusb <> some cable<>N900 | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mini-USB extender cables | 21:57 |
| trumee | because my nokia charger doesnt work directly with N900 (some loose connection in N900 i guess) | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errrr | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't get it | 21:58 |
| trumee | although it works fine with anoth usb cable and a usb htc charger | 21:58 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: i need a adaptor to convert Nokia microusb charge to a full usb plug. is that possible? | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: you need a charger that delivers 5V (@>1000mA) **and has D+/- pins shorted** | 21:59 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: that wasnt my question | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: I still don't completely understand your task | 22:00 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: i need a microusb to type A cable | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you want an adapter to plug a 'normal' USB blug 'inot' the N900-fastcharger? | 22:01 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: yes | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 'into' | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never seen such thing | 22:01 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, why that doesnt exist | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you *might* find USB hubs that have a micro-USB receptacle for upstream and normal F USB ports downstrem, _and_ no switched power on downstream | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (why) it's quite uncommon usecase | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still I fail to understand why you need that | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "because my nokia charger doesnt work directly with N900" suggests no adapter will help | 22:04 |
| nox- | i guess his n900 usb port is just `marginal' and only works with `some' plugs | 22:04 |
| trumee | nox-: yes | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more likely the charger is defect | 22:04 |
| nox- | well that could be too ofc | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | way more likely | 22:05 |
| trumee | i have 1 A to B usb cable which works with N900. and i am using that with a htc usb charger | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one of my 3 chargers is defect | 22:05 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: i have a nokia charger and a power-monkey charger. both used to work fine, but now they dont | 22:05 |
| trumee | and i suspect the usb receptacle inside the N900 is the issue | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both ceased to work? | 22:06 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: yes | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's strange indeed | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | inspect and clean your N900 usb receptacle | 22:06 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: dont have the time for that since i am travelling. and i need to have the powermonkey battery pack working, which unfortunately has a microusb tip | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also make sure you haven't introduced sw reasons for charging to fail | 22:07 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: no that is the behaviour with stock flashed. i have checked that | 22:08 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: there are tips available for powermonkey including a USB, but expensive. https://powertraveller.com/iwantsome/spares/000227/ | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if actually usb receptacle has poor contacts, often it helps to carefully retract the plug 0.5 .. 1mm from receptacle to make the contacts work again | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: sorry I have no better advice to help you out of your pinch | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, one maybe: try charge21.sh of shadowjk, it doesn't need the D+/- short to do proper charging | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so if the contact problem is with D+/- and not with +5V or GND, then charge21.sh should still charge, while bme won't | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HTH | 22:12 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: i tried the CA-146c adaptor with the powermonkey battery pack and it worked | 22:13 |
| trumee | however, how much juice will be wasted with CA-146c | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 20% | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | handwaving | 22:13 |
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| trumee | i simply run charge21.sh, or do i need to stop bme? | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stop bme | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | verbatim | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stop bme; sleep 5; charge21.sh | 22:16 |
| trumee | ok | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | root | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 22:17 |
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| trumee | nope, charge21.sh doesnt charge | 22:22 |
| trumee | Status: 0x00 Mode: STANDBY Full: 0 Wall: 0 Voltage: 3924 NAC: 804 level: 73 % Rate: -103 System: -1053 Ch: 950 Compensated: | 22:22 |
| trumee | although, the yellow led is blinking, which i guess is fake | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yellow LED is controlled by mce, it's irrelevant if nobody controls mce though | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but wait, maybe I'm wrong with charge21.sh and charging from arbitrary sources | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | status 0x00 means something | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ # bin/charge21.sh | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Charger: 1 | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pre-Config Status: 0x20, 0x20 . 100mA: 0x20 500mA: 0x10 800mA: 0x10 Unlimited: 0x10 | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Status:0x10 Mode:CHARGING Full:0 Wall:1 Voltage:4164 NAC:1209 level:100% Rate:-184 System:-467 Ch:283 Compensated: | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with fastcharger | 22:29 |
| trumee | you have Wall:1 while i have Wall:0 | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's D+/- detect | 22:30 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: i do get a Wall:1 if stick CA-146C between this powermonkey batter pack and N900 | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think status 0x10 means D+/- short | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aka Wall:1 | 22:31 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: so my usb receptacle is faulty | 22:32 |
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| trumee | and i need a micro usb to full usb cable :( | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Status:0x00 Mode:STANDBY Full:0 Wall:0 Voltage:4159 NAC:1204 level:99% Rate:-14 System:-336 Ch:322 Compensated: | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Status:0x10 Mode:CHARGING Full:0 Wall:0 Voltage:4177 NAC:1204 level:99% Rate:-8 System:-189 Ch:181 Compensated: | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Status:0x10 Mode:CHARGING Full:0 Wall:0 Voltage:4164 NAC:1204 level:99% Rate:21 System:-262 Ch:283 Compensated: | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when plugging in a charger that's missing D+/- short | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so charge21.sh should work like I expected | 22:34 |
| nox- | hm does this mean a `normal' 500ma usb port cant be used for charging, even slower? | 22:34 |
| trumee | chadi: is current? | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it can | 22:35 |
| nox- | ah | 22:35 |
| trumee | chadi: is current? | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unless your OS switches down the power on the port when no proper negotiation aka ENUM | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chadi? | 22:35 |
| trumee | crap, xchat is changing *Ch* to chadi | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 22:35 |
| nox- | heh | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's Rate that's relevant | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything else is 'made up' by charge21.sh | 22:36 |
| trumee | Pre-Config Status: 0x00, 0x00 . 100mA: 0x00 500mA: 0x00 800mA: 0x00 Unlimited: 0x00 | 22:36 |
| trumee | Status: 0x00 Mode: STANDBY Full: 0 Wall: 0 Voltage: 3884 NAC: 791 level: 72 % Rate: -180 System: -1130 Ch: 950 Compensated: | 22:36 |
| trumee | Status: 0x00 Mode: STANDBY Full: 0 Wall: 0 Voltage: 3903 NAC: 791 level: 72 % Rate: -102 System: -1052 Ch: 950 Compensated: | 22:37 |
| trumee | Status: 0x00 Mode: STANDBY Full: 0 Wall: 0 Voltage: 3903 NAC: 790 level: 72 % Rate: -102 System: -1052 Ch: 950 Compensated: | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks like there's no power on VBUS | 22:37 |
| trumee | Rate is always negative on mine | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Rate <0 means battery discharging | 22:37 |
| trumee | ah | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with 180 resp 102 mA | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | your problem isn't D+/- short but actually missing power from VBUS/GND | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems | 22:39 |
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| trumee | with CA-146C in series | 22:40 |
| trumee | Pre-Config Status: 0x10, 0x10 . 100mA: 0x90 500mA: 0x90 800mA: 0x90 Unlimited: 0x90 | 22:40 |
| trumee | Status: 0x90 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 Wall: 1 Voltage: 4112 NAC: 781 level: 71 % Rate: 296 System: -370 Ch: 666 Compensated: | 22:41 |
| trumee | Status: 0x90 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 Wall: 1 Voltage: 4120 NAC: 781 level: 71 % Rate: 472 System: -134 Ch: 606 Compensated: | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unplug non-D+- charger, one line without charger, last with nokia fastcharger: | 22:41 |
| trumee | Status: 0x90 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 Wall: 1 Voltage: 4122 NAC: 782 level: 71 % Rate: 507 System: -83 Ch: 590 Compensated: | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Status:0x03 Mode:CHARGING Full:0 Wall:0 Voltage:4177 NAC:1210 level:100% Rate:14 System:-167 Ch:181 Compensated: | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Status:0x00 Mode:STANDBY Full:0 Wall:0 Voltage:4061 NAC:1210 level:100% Rate:-135 System:-1085 Ch:950 Compensated: | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Status:0x10 Mode:CHARGING Full:0 Wall:1 Voltage:4161 NAC:1209 level:100% Rate:-120 System:-427 Ch:307 Compensated: | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: for some unknown reason, either VBUS or GND contact of your 'normal' charger doesn't work | 22:42 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: i think these receptacles of N900 have a problem | 22:42 |
| trumee | the charger is the same i.e. powermonkey | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strange it doesn't have same problem with CA-146 | 22:43 |
| trumee | the CA146-C seems to have better contact with N900 | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you plugged the charger to a defective receptacle that ruined the plug? | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think if the problem was in N900, it wouldn't work with CA-146 either | 22:44 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: i havent used that powermonkey with anything else | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, maybe it's just defect? | 22:45 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer05: i guess it is possible to make the microusb to type B manually | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | connect red to red and black to black, and short the green and white wire to N900 | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any 8 year old boy should be able to do it ;-) | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for just charging, there's no rocket science in USB | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...cables | 22:48 |
| trumee | lol, these are expensive too, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Receptacle-Micro-Usb-B-Mid-Mount-Price-for-1-Each-/350593375746 | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for actual data transfer things are quite a bit different | 22:49 |
| trumee | cheaper, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MICRO-USB-TYPE-B-RECEPTACLE-BOTTOM-Part-47346-0001-/390460793139 | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what the hell do you want to do with those? | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | replace N900 receptacle? | 22:52 |
| trumee | no chop off the male microusb receptacle from CA-101 and replace with this | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and then? | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you have a male fullsize plug with power on it? | 22:54 |
| trumee | yes, i do | 22:55 |
| trumee | or | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice, but I don't see any use for such thing | 22:55 |
| trumee | fast charger<>custom cable<>CA101<>N900 | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how will you connect your custom cable to CA101? F-2-F adapter? | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it way simpler to get a USB fastcharger with USB fullsize receptacle? | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically you're building a micro-usb extender the hard way | 22:57 |
| trumee | because i want to use the powermonkey battery pack which only has a microusb tip | 22:58 |
| trumee | at home i am using a USB fast charger as you have suggested | 22:58 |
| trumee | also, in the car i have a DC-10 adaptor which again has a microusb tip | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still doubt an extender of any complexity reliably will fix the (yet unknown) issue | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery packs usually need some way to enable the regulator in them. It's either done by a switch, or by plugging in the cable, or by the cable getting plugged to a device and somehow the battery pack detects that condition (by monitoring ID pin level, or data line levels) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my silly little battery pack here abuses ID pin of the mini-USB receptacle to detect plug in of any of the 10 charger cables it came with | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think it delivers 5V out on ID | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while it uses VBUS to charge internal battery | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the powermonkey might even try to detect short between sleeve and GND pin to sense plugin to a device | 23:04 |
| trumee | is it possible to open-up CA-146C and remove the circuit? | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a tad hard (I think it's tightly glued) but possible. I did it | 23:05 |
| trumee | because i dont need the circuit. N900 is happy with CA-146C receptacle | 23:06 |
| trumee | so i will need to do any soldering to remove and shot the wires? | 23:06 |
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| trumee | *remove circuit | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the two barrel receptacles are spring loaded contact type, so stay in case conveniently when PCB gets removed | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you need to solder the wires of the plug to one of them springs | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus I think you will have to extend the wires, as they are probably too short to reach to the barrel receptacles | 23:09 |
| trumee | thanks | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe not worth the effort? | 23:11 |
| trumee | yes, seems so :) | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a guessed anticipated loss of 20%, that easily might be less when running with 5V proper input | 23:12 |
| trumee | yeah, maybe ok. i will do a field test while travelling :) | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rule of thumb: if it doesn't get warm, then the loss is small | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for playing captain obvious | 23:14 |
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| JZA | wow still charging | 23:41 |
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