IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-09-02

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RzRhi00:14
RzRi am looking for navicore ukirland map can u help ?00:16
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RzRhttp://services.navicoretech.com/downloads/public/n810_maps_internet_tablet/2008-1/mapdata_UK-Ireland.zip00:31
RzRthat one00:31
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RzRluca__, hi r u the luca of this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1256440 ?00:39
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fredddiiiiDoes anyone know why Exchange with Google no longer works?00:40
fredddiiiiI get an error trying to configure Exchange towards m.google.com:443.00:40
Siceloit wants you to delete all contacts on N900 first, and not sync more than 5 at a time00:46
fredddiiiiSicelo it seems to be this.00:46
fredddiiiiA fix is to install libcurl3 from extras-devel.00:47
fredddiiiiBut I wonder, when will this "fix" come to CSSU stable?00:47
fredddiiiiThe issue is explained here: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=35136&page=15600:47
fredddiiiiOne fix seems to be modifying a configuration file, dealing with DNS it seems, another is updating libcurl3 from extras-devel.00:47
RzRJaffa, hi are u using navicore /00:51
fredddiiiiDoes anyone know if libcurl3 will ever make it to CSSU stable? From extras-devel?00:51
fredddiiiiIt is needed to make Exchange work again properly with Google's services.00:52
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fredddiiiiSo it would be cool if it will get pushed through very soon.00:52
Sicelofredddiiii: i went through  that too, lol00:56
fredddiiiiSocelo you grabbed libcurl3 from extras-devel to fix it? D:00:56
Siceloyes00:57
Sicelothe calendar part works quite well. it's the contacts part that is a PITA00:57
fredddiiiiSicelo, will they not push the update through to CSSU stable/01:09
fredddiiii?01:09
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JaffaRzR: Not any more01:31
luffredddiiii: libcurl3 from extras-devel should go into CSSU testing in few days or weeks. No idea/ETA when it comes into CSSU stable.01:32
lufToo late :)01:32
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JZADocScrutinizer05: hi finally recharged01:34
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JaffaRzR: Since my licence expired I'm using Drive on my N9. More up-to-date maps, but not as good, IMHO (no ETA, for one)01:35
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JZADocScrutinizer05: should I do the re-flash?01:35
JZADocScrutinizer05: did the u thing01:38
JZASending and flashing rootfs image (185856 kB)...01:39
JZADocScrutinizer05: ping01:39
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DocScrutinizer51pont01:42
DocScrutinizer51pong even01:42
DocScrutinizer51afk most of the tme now01:43
DocScrutinizer51yes, you should flash now01:43
DocScrutinizer51make sure you got the latest fiasco image from Nokia download page (probably you'!! want global verion)01:44
JZADocScrutinizer51: I already did the flashing01:45
DocScrutinizer51read flashing wikipage completely01:45
DocScrutinizer51ok fine01:45
DocScrutinizer51hope it  fixed your problem01:45
DocScrutinizer51allow for slightly longer bootprozess on first boot01:46
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DocScrutinizer51afk01:47
JZADocScrutinizer51: it did boot01:47
JZAbut I dont see my apps01:47
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JZADocScrutinizer51: so updates ask me to put Maemo502:01
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JZADocScrutinizer51: is it safe to put it on like that?02:03
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DocScrutinizer05yes02:27
DocScrutinizer05"your" apps need to get installed (or restored from backup, as I told you before)02:28
DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-01 20:14:51] <DocScrutinizer05> only thing you need to restore from backup are the applications themselves02:29
DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-01 20:15:38] <DocScrutinizer05> backup restore offers an option to select what to restore. DO NOT restore your user data, it would reset the still living data to the state of your last backup02:29
JZAok02:32
DocScrutinizer05and also don't forget to make a new backup *before* you restore any old backup02:34
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DocScrutinizer05so in case you accidentally restore user data and thus nuke the last four weeks of msgs and call history since your backup is that old, you can restore previous current state from new backup02:35
DocScrutinizer05also you might consider doing *real* backup using backupmenu02:36
DocScrutinizer05~bm02:36
infobotbackupmenu is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6397502:36
DocScrutinizer05with BM you probably could've recovered without any flashing02:37
DocScrutinizer05it actually backups and resotes whole system02:37
DocScrutinizer05restores*02:37
DocScrutinizer05incl "your apps" and all02:38
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DocScrutinizer05please don't forget to "blame" the 'patch' you installed that messed up your system!02:39
DocScrutinizer05as I already mentioned I think it's pretty nonsensical anyway, but you shouldn't miss to let others know it ruined your system02:40
JZADocScrutinizer05: is the speedpatch02:48
DocScrutinizer05YAY!!!!02:58
DocScrutinizer05know bullshit02:58
DocScrutinizer05known even02:58
DocScrutinizer05batterypatch and speedpatch are a swindle02:58
DocScrutinizer05big hoax02:59
* DocScrutinizer05 honestly ponders to integrate a malware filter to CSSU. First candidates to nuke form device and HAM list of available apps: batterypatch and speedpatch03:03
DocScrutinizer05and fapman03:03
DocScrutinizer05;-P03:03
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DocScrutinizer05meh, waaay simpler: get dummy void packages of same name into CSSU MP03:04
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DocScrutinizer05done, next!03:04
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^03:05
DocScrutinizer05;-P03:05
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: no kidding, we should ponder that03:07
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DocScrutinizer05of course we should triple-check if we want to restrict user's feeedom of choice in that way. But for *some* particular rogue pkgs I think we might at least discuss the pros and cons03:09
louisdkFirst boot after updating my N950 to PR1.3 by leaked "ROM". Seems like everything is right :)03:09
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DocScrutinizer05fine :-) just a tad ECHAN03:10
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: is it really tolerable that *patch malware (or basketware) still has "adverts" on tmo?03:12
DocScrutinizer05I'm afraid it's even in extras repo03:13
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keriojacekowski: i need some hex editing on image-viewer04:58
keriojacekowski: i need the free ram check to be cracked04:58
keriobecause it doesn't work properly with >4GB of free ram+swap04:58
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DocScrutinizer51iirc jacekowski lacks a working n900, so if we want him do such things we should ponder what to do about that05:14
kerio:(05:21
keriohmm05:21
keriosend him the binary?05:21
keriomaybe the whole package, to be installed in scratchbox05:22
kerio\_o_/05:22
kerioi asked him because he did fmtx too05:22
kerioand that was harder to do than this05:22
DocScrutinizer05send him a N900 ;-)05:30
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Timmyfreemangordon: hey07:08
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RzRhas any of you a diablo scrachbox toolchain handy ?10:35
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: you there?14:34
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: why does your calibration script start, stop and restart bme?14:47
keriocan't you just start it once, when it's done?14:47
DocScrutinizer05kerio: yep, I'm always here14:49
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i know, i'm always here too but sometimes i'm asleep or away from anything ircful14:50
DocScrutinizer05well, maybe cargo cult coding. It seemed to have healthy effects whenever I messed around with bme14:50
keriohaha14:50
DocScrutinizer05often bme recovers from totally insane battery capacity guestimate after second restart14:51
kerioanyway, i'm going to rewrite your calibration script to not use bq27200.sh14:51
keriobecause there's no reason to14:51
DocScrutinizer05sure14:51
kerioit spams the i2c bus for no reason, considering that you only need vdq and edv114:51
DocScrutinizer05not that this would matter at all in this context14:51
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DocScrutinizer05but sure, go ahead, it's sane and feasible14:52
DocScrutinizer05I've just been lazy when writing this lil fanzy especially for your convenience, in 10 minutes14:52
keriooh, btw14:53
keriobusybox does have a way to do bitwise AND14:53
DocScrutinizer05you're sure that's not busybox-power?14:53
kerioyep14:54
kerio$(( (0x04 & 0x04) / 4 ))14:54
DocScrutinizer05(NB bq27200.sh is ShadowJK's work, based on a bashscript called bq27k-detail I wrote)14:54
kerioversus $(( (0x04 & 0x03) / 4 ))14:54
DocScrutinizer05hm?14:55
kerioone is 1, the other is 014:55
DocScrutinizer05sure14:55
kerioin BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso31+0cssu0)14:55
DocScrutinizer05well, bq27k-details is using arrays, and those are missing in messybox14:56
DocScrutinizer05I admit I might have copied the bit-dissecting code from shadowjk though14:57
DocScrutinizer05so even while I'm aware of bit-ops in bash, the code to dissect flags might still be plain interger arithmetic14:58
* ShadowJK assumed sh didn't habe binary arithmetic and used integer arithmetic14:59
kerioalso, why do you all people use $( ) instead of ` `?15:00
DocScrutinizer05simple answer? because you can nest it15:00
keriooic15:00
ShadowJKi find it clearer, and also $() is easier to type15:00
ShadowJKIt's probably not ', and ` and ´ are behind sym keyboard on n90015:01
DocScrutinizer05ambiguous lexems always are prone to fail miserably15:01
ShadowJKand I'm not sure which one it is :)15:01
DocScrutinizer05that too15:01
DocScrutinizer05see PITA with "ticks"15:02
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DocScrutinizer05and "embeddend'ticks'"15:02
DocScrutinizer05luckily in shellscript you can toggle between ' and " usually, so it's parseable15:03
DocScrutinizer05how much more convenient is a clear distinction between opening and closing lexem15:04
DocScrutinizer05if I wasn't that lazy, I'd even use ${envvar} all the time15:05
DocScrutinizer05kerio: bq27k-detail2:  >>  $(( (0x${dmp[0x0A]} & 2#10000000)?1:0 )) CHGS  Charge State flag. A 1 in the CHGS indicates a charge current (VSRP > VSRN). Charging." <<15:08
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: am i a bad person if i make it #!/bin/bash just because i feel safer?15:15
DocScrutinizer05no, not at all15:15
DocScrutinizer05better than other way around15:15
DocScrutinizer05never use #!/bin/sh when you're actually not sure you might have used bashisms15:16
DocScrutinizer05actually verifying scripts for basic shell compatibility (no *isms) is a pretty tedious task15:17
DocScrutinizer05at least I haven't found any proper tool to do it yet15:17
keriohm, how do i call functions in shell scripts?15:24
keriooh, like binaries15:24
keriok15:24
kerioah goddammit, the semantics of conditions in shell scripting are fucking stupid15:26
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DocScrutinizer05hmm?15:30
DocScrutinizer05(like binaries) actually more like shellscripts (which in turn don't differ much from binaries for the way to invoke them)15:31
DocScrutinizer05actually I just started wondering if local env predefines work for function calls intrascript as well (env1=a env2=b myfunction)15:33
DocScrutinizer05to be precise I wonder if those envs will get dropped when function returns15:33
keriohm, how does ! work in the context of an if?15:34
kerioi mean, what's the distributivity with &&?15:34
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DocScrutinizer05! >> &&15:34
keriomeh, i'll do it inside test15:35
DocScrutinizer05if [ !a && !b]  <=> if [ ! (a || b) ]15:35
keriohow do i output to stderr?15:35
kerioyeah, yeah, i figured :)15:35
DocScrutinizer05exec >215:35
DocScrutinizer05;-P15:35
keriowait, i can do || inside test, too?15:35
kerioneat15:36
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i actually meant for just a message15:36
kerioalso it should be >%2, right?15:36
DocScrutinizer05aah, then as usual15:36
kerioor something15:36
kerioi can never remember the syntax for file descriptors :s15:36
DocScrutinizer05yeah15:36
kerionope, &215:36
DocScrutinizer05simple - just remember & means "addr of"15:37
kerio...15:37
keriowhat you did there, i see it15:37
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DocScrutinizer05I think busybox also doesn't know base2 consts15:40
DocScrutinizer05like 2#1000000015:40
DocScrutinizer05not sure about that either15:41
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: thanks for making me aware of >>15:43
DocScrutinizer05if [ x$BASH_VERSION = x ]; then15:43
DocScrutinizer05  echo "no bash detected, aborting"15:43
DocScrutinizer05<< missing a redirect to stderr15:43
kerioDocScrutinizer05: what's /usr/sbin/i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x00 0x80; # timer reset ?15:43
DocScrutinizer05err, just that15:44
DocScrutinizer05it resets watchdog timer in bq2415015:44
keriobut... you just reset it15:44
keriowith /usr/sbin/i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0xcc15:44
kerioor is that just "stop charge"?15:45
DocScrutinizer05yep15:45
DocScrutinizer05you can't stop watchdog in bq24150. It will engage first time you send *any* I2C command15:45
keriok15:45
kerioyeah but you keep resetting it15:45
keriono, wait15:46
DocScrutinizer05and on expiry will reset bq24150 to defaults which are "enable emergency charging"15:46
DocScrutinizer05that's why I first stop charging, then keep watchdog happy so it stays in off-mode15:46
DocScrutinizer05otherwise it would resume emergency charging after watchdog expiry (32s)15:47
kerioi see15:47
kerioand then when you stop it it immediately restarts because the watchdog has expired?15:48
DocScrutinizer05during max 32s, yes15:48
DocScrutinizer05might be as little as 15s, due to chip's timebase is rather ???15:49
ShadowJKIf software doesn't check in every 32s, every setting made and every command sent is lost and chip resets to defaults: charge @ 100mA to a low level15:49
DocScrutinizer05exactly15:49
DocScrutinizer05only 32s is upper limit15:49
DocScrutinizer05to stay on safe side, we need something like 10s period15:50
keriohm, does sh have a do/while?15:50
DocScrutinizer05yep15:50
kerionope15:50
kerioit only has a while15:50
ShadowJKI lowered the period until resets stopped happening, and ended up with 15s15:50
DocScrutinizer05while true; do echo fool:; done15:50
keriothat's a while, not a do...while15:50
DocScrutinizer05meh15:50
DocScrutinizer05it has while and until15:51
DocScrutinizer05I hate until15:51
keriodbus-send is standard fremantle, right?15:52
DocScrutinizer05since it's a maximum confusing while !cond15:52
DocScrutinizer05yep15:52
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kerioand so are start and stop15:52
DocScrutinizer05though any path in any script isn't15:53
DocScrutinizer05$PATH that is15:53
DocScrutinizer05nope, basically start and stop are convenience stuff for initctl start and initctl stop15:53
keriobut they're binary files!15:54
kerioooh, links to initctl15:54
DocScrutinizer05so while you may get away with start bme, you actually *ought* use /sbin/initctl start bme15:54
keriocan i at least avoid paths for sleep and echo?15:54
kerioand test15:54
DocScrutinizer05that's a pretty good question15:55
DocScrutinizer05:-D15:55
DocScrutinizer05probably it's safe to assume "standard" PATH being set15:55
DocScrutinizer05which is sth like /bin /sbin15:55
keriomeh, i'll choose to assume that root has initctl and dbus-send in the path, and echo and sleep are something15:55
DocScrutinizer05yep15:56
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DocScrutinizer05basically everybody does15:56
kerioor should i assume that they're in the place they ought to be, aka /sbin/initctl and /usr/bin/dbus-send ?15:56
DocScrutinizer05for those yes you should assume and call them like that15:56
DocScrutinizer05(I didn't)15:56
DocScrutinizer05shame on me15:56
DocScrutinizer05well according to above rationale you may assume initctl is in /sbin and thus "known", while dbus-send obviously isn't15:57
DocScrutinizer05most sane way to handle that is to define envs for the "unknown2 stuff, like >> dbus="/usr/bin/dbus-send"15:59
DocScrutinizer05then even test for exectuable property15:59
kerionah, /usr/bin/dbus-send is part of dbus15:59
kerioit's standard fremantle15:59
kerioi2cget/i2cset are in i2c-tools though, and i do test for those like that :)16:00
kerioDocScrutinizer05: work in progress: http://fpaste.org/xwxH/16:00
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DocScrutinizer05sweet16:01
DocScrutinizer05:-)16:01
keriotodo: more putting stuff in functions16:02
kerioso the logic is clearer16:02
DocScrutinizer05# TODO: display TTF here16:03
keriothat, too )16:04
kerio:)16:04
DocScrutinizer05s/TTF/TTE/16:04
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: # TODO: display TTE here16:04
keriook16:04
kerio:c16:04
DocScrutinizer05it's DIScharging, so TimeToEmpty16:04
kerioi thought it was Time To Finish16:04
keriobut alright16:04
DocScrutinizer05kerio: kudos, a delight to read such pretty code at a sunday afternoon16:05
keriobrb walking the dog16:05
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kerioalso ^__________^16:05
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: while true; do kick_bq24k; sleep 10; edv1 && break; done;16:16
DocScrutinizer05maybe even16:19
DocScrutinizer05while kick_bq24k && sleep 10; do edv1 && break; done;16:19
DocScrutinizer05(sometimes simplifies ^C abort16:20
DocScrutinizer05)16:20
keriooh right16:22
kerio:c16:22
keriobut that makes it uglier!16:22
DocScrutinizer05hehe16:22
DocScrutinizer05ugly and short, or whining about missing do until16:22
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DocScrutinizer05;-)16:22
DocScrutinizer05or bloated16:22
keriobesides, wouldn't ^C during the sleep exit the loop, causing the rest of the script to go on?16:22
DocScrutinizer05depends on settings16:23
DocScrutinizer05either a cmd returning with error that isn't cought will abort whole script (incl any while true loop), or it will simply be ignored and the loop happily continues forever16:24
DocScrutinizer05iirc it's set +e / -e16:24
DocScrutinizer05your scripts inherit that setting from invoking shell16:25
DocScrutinizer05all disclaimer "I'm not really awake yet"16:25
DocScrutinizer05set +e; while true; do sleep 1; done16:28
DocScrutinizer05set -e; while true; do sleep 1; done16:28
kerioTTE is in minutes, right?16:33
DocScrutinizer05right16:34
kerioah crap16:35
kerioTime to empty: 0x01fc minutes16:35
DocScrutinizer05>> -e      Exit immediately if a pipeline (which may consist of a single simple command),  a subshell command enclosed in parentheses, or one  of  the                      commands  executed as part of a command list enclosed by braces (see SHELL GRAMMAR above) exits with a non-zero status.  The shell does not                      exit if the command that fails is part of the command list immediately following a while or until[...]16:35
DocScrutinizer05This  option  applies to the shell environment and each subshell environment separately (see COMMAND EXECUTION ENVIRONMENT above), and may cause subshells to exit before executing all the commands in the subshell.16:35
DocScrutinizer05<<16:35
DocScrutinizer05whatever, I found sometimes >> while true; do ... sleep 1; done << loops are pretty hard to abort, while you abort them easily when testing for sleep command's return code16:37
keriomeh, ^C kills everything16:38
keriomaybe i should check for the exit value of sleep and restart bme before closing the script16:38
keriobut meh16:38
DocScrutinizer05depends (remaining to define on what)16:38
DocScrutinizer05maybe you should use a trap to restart bme16:38
DocScrutinizer05trap start_bme exit16:39
DocScrutinizer05see booston16:39
kerioor maybe the user should fuck off and let my script be16:39
kerio>:C16:40
DocScrutinizer05having a exit trap to cleanup is a pretty nice idea, much underrated16:40
DocScrutinizer05and it's so infinitely more convenient than to handle each abort path in a single else branch16:41
kerioi should probably display the current flow too16:41
keriohttp://fpaste.org/b6Ay/16:42
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston16:42
kerioby the way, what's the correct term? pet the watchdog? tickle the watchdog? kick the watchdog?16:44
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ShadowJKdiablo called it kick16:46
DocScrutinizer05I kick dogs, other like to tickle them16:47
DocScrutinizer05probably depends on whether you like dogs or not16:47
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: you'll need root to run that script, and in root you need run-standalone.sh for dbus-send16:48
Ken-YoungI have recently had to re-install the Maemo 5 scratchbox SDK on a machine running Ubuntu. It installed smoothly, but when I run the x86 desktop withing xephyr, the Hildon widgets don't work properly.   Specifically, the drop-down menus don't show any text the first time they are accessed (though they do show text during subsequent accesses) and changes made to the GUI widgets do not show up on the widgets, although the widget events a16:49
Ken-Youngre seen by the application.   Has anyone seen this problem and found a fix?16:49
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DocScrutinizer05(kick vs tickle) actually both terms are missleading, since the dog is considered state:sleeping unless you forget to do whatever you name the action to keep it sleeping and it wakes up and barks16:53
DocScrutinizer05I think neither kicking nor tickling will make a real dog continue sleeping16:53
DocScrutinizer05probably the whole term / picture / analogy is a bit... odd16:54
DocScrutinizer05since real watchdogs don't usually behave on a timeout policy of any kind16:55
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ShadowJKsure they do, if you're gone from home too long they eat your shoes and couch17:01
DocScrutinizer05hehehehehe17:02
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DocScrutinizer05WTF of the month: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/events.c#line149 ff18:21
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ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: there is goto in C?18:27
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ZogG_laptopand it's usable? i mean people use it?18:27
ZogG_laptopargs[0]: cool nick18:28
IkarusZogG_laptop: *shudder*18:30
Ikarusbut that kind of error handeling code is the probably the only sane use for goto18:31
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ZogG_laptopIkarus: i know C a little bit only, never met goto yet.18:32
ZogG_laptopC/C++18:33
ZogG_laptopboth18:33
DocScrutinizer05Ikarus: backward goto usually is EVIL18:33
DocScrutinizer05a chain of THREE backward goto is MASTER_OF_EVIL18:34
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DocScrutinizer05forward goto to exit, or jump to errorhandler at end of function - ok'ish18:35
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DocScrutinizer05but never ever do a backward goto, especially not into a structure element like if{} while{} anything like that18:35
DocScrutinizer05hell that looks like COBOL disassembly18:36
IkarusDocScrutinizer05: hehehe18:36
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's perfectly legal to jump inside a loop in C18:58
DocScrutinizer05kerio: legal and any good practice are two differnet things18:59
kerioalso see duff's device19:00
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DocScrutinizer05http://pastebin.ca/220028919:08
DocScrutinizer05^^^ pretty low effort cleanup, could of course be done smarter and nicer19:09
DocScrutinizer05no more backwards goto19:10
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DocScrutinizer05(yeah I know there's a bit missing around line190 then)19:10
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DocScrutinizer05actually 188,189 are obsolete then19:13
DocScrutinizer05and [190] error3:    volume_id_close (vid);   needs some love19:14
kerioby the way, label: code; on the same line should be ground for execution19:15
kerios/ground/grounds/19:15
infobotkerio meant: by the way, label: code; on the same line should be grounds for execution19:15
DocScrutinizer05err, [192] error1:    set_localised_label(mmc);  needs ome love19:16
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DocScrutinizer05usually you have only one error: label, and do the >> if (fd < 0) << etc there19:18
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DocScrutinizer05doesn't matter you already did it before, on >> if (fd < 0) { goto error}19:19
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: goto jumping into while or for loops usually yields pretty messy unexpected results (if the coder doing that really expected *anything*)19:23
DocScrutinizer05jumping into if(){} branches may work19:24
DocScrutinizer05but for sure should be avoide3d as much as possible19:24
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DocScrutinizer05illuminata: please elaborate on details of your boot problem19:45
illuminataso. i'm hit by the reboot loop bug. and pretty hard apparently because flashing latest nokia firmware didn't fix it19:45
DocScrutinizer05illuminata: you (ever) used recent powerkernel?19:45
illuminataand nope19:45
DocScrutinizer05how exactly are the sequence of sympthoms of this reboot loop?19:46
DocScrutinizer05does jumping-dots splashscreen show up?19:46
illuminatahome icons either don't draw or disappear. carrier name cycles too. and if by jumping dots you mean the loading screen then yeah19:47
illuminataand it seems to actually be crashing faster now that i re-flashed19:48
DocScrutinizer05probably you got some homescreen settings in your $home dir that cause hildon desktop to segfault. Eventually dsme will reboot device after too many restarts of HD19:48
illuminatasimilar was mentioned prior, but shouldn't a firmware flash take care of any of those settings, too?19:49
DocScrutinizer05reflashing COMBINED doesn't clear/delete those files19:49
illuminataaaaaaaaaaah19:49
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DocScrutinizer05since flashing COMBINED keeps all your "user data" intact19:49
DocScrutinizer05you got backupmenu installed?19:50
illuminatadon't think so, unless that's the same as the standard backup app19:50
DocScrutinizer05nope19:50
DocScrutinizer05~bm19:50
infoboti heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6397519:50
DocScrutinizer05it would allow you to gather access to a shell in early boot, before HD goes mad19:51
illuminatadunno if i can use it though considering the phone won't even stay on a minute now19:51
DocScrutinizer05in this shell you could manually clean out some files in $HOME19:51
illuminatamaybe i can install it if i work fast enough (but probably not)19:52
illuminatabut assuming i don't care what's on the phone, is there any firmware packages that i can install that'd allow for a 100% clean install?19:53
kerioDocScrutinizer05: backupmenu requires a somewhat working system though19:53
keriobecause it's intended to work when stuff is ok19:53
DocScrutinizer05for now there's proabably three possible rescue pathes for you: disable watchdogs via flasher (should stopp reboots, so you *might* gain access to xterm via kbd shortcut). use ~rescue-system. reflash VANILLA (and lose all your user data)19:53
kerio~rescue-system19:53
keriooh infobot19:53
kerio~rescueos19:53
kerio~rescue19:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you suck19:54
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys rescue19:54
infobotFactoid search of 'rescue' by key (8): htcrescue ;; rescuecd ;; rescue-os ;; superrescue ;; rescue disk ;; rescue disks ;; cmd: rescue (.*?) ;; reiserfs-rescue-disk.19:54
keriooh, with a -19:54
keriowtf19:54
kerio~rescue-os19:54
infobotrumour has it, rescue-os is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Nin101/N900_Rescue_OS, or http://nin101.uni.cx/N900/rescueOS/documentation.txt, or http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/19:54
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illuminatahmm19:55
DocScrutinizer05illuminata: flashing VANILLA is the "easiest" and most reliable way, given you don't care about user data (or have proper backup)19:55
kerioinfobot: no, rescue-os is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Nin101/N900_Rescue_OS , or http://nin101.uni.cx/N900/rescueOS/documentation.txt , or http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/19:55
infobotokay, kerio19:55
kerio(added spaces before commas)19:55
kerio(not sure if it's just my irc client being stupid, but clicking didn't work properly, it thought , was part of the url)19:55
NIN101the wiki page is outdated, you might as well remove everything except the URL with the IP19:55
DocScrutinizer05kerio: thanks19:56
kerioNIN101: huh... why? what's wrong with nin101.uni.cx?19:56
illuminatai'm getting a malware warning for uni.cx in chrome19:56
kerioinfobot: no, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/19:56
infobotkerio: okay19:56
kerioDocScrutinizer05: how do i add redirects for factoids?19:57
keriolike, make rescueos an alias for rescue-os19:57
DocScrutinizer05~rescueos is <reply>see rescue-os19:57
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0519:57
keriohuh19:57
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kerio~rescueos19:57
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/19:57
kerioi see19:57
keriohmm, something bad about thumb2 binaries19:58
illuminatais there any way i can mass storage mount the phone before it fully boots into maemo?19:58
NIN101rescueos19:58
kerioyou can't chroot on a thumby system if you don't have a thumb-aware kernel19:58
kerioilluminata: rescueos does that19:58
DocScrutinizer05illuminata: probably not, when it bootloops like yours19:58
kerioalso bootmenu19:58
kerioalso backupmenu19:58
illuminatak19:59
DocScrutinizer05yeah, except those, of course19:59
illuminatameh19:59
kerionotice that neither one of those will let you access the rootfs19:59
illuminatajust wanted to pull some pics off, then i wouldn't mind flashing vanilla19:59
keriobecause well, it's not a block device19:59
kerioan alternative is usb networking and then ssh19:59
DocScrutinizer05illuminata: you *may* disable watchdogs, and then happily mount MSM19:59
kerio~ass-rage20:00
keriono20:00
kerio~ass rage20:00
infobotsomebody said ass rage was Mass STOrage20:00
* kerio giggles20:00
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DocScrutinizer05illuminata: it's just HD respawning too fast, so dsme reboots device. with watchdogs disabled (lifeguard-wd iirc), it won't reboot and MSM should work20:01
DocScrutinizer05with a bit of luck20:02
NIN101afk20:03
illuminatacool. i did some steps on a forum while at work a couple days ago, ran cat on some of that lifeguard stuff, and it was saying similarly iirc20:03
DocScrutinizer05illuminata: flasher-3.5 --help20:06
illuminataw0rd. found a string of flags online that should do the trick too. but so far it's stayed alive in mass storage mode without rebooting20:07
illuminatagot images out of fcamera, trying to find where the standard camera images are hidden20:07
illuminata*standard camera app20:07
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DocScrutinizer05flasher --set-rd-flags20:08
illuminatadcim, there we go20:08
DocScrutinizer05cool20:09
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illuminataalrighty, thanks for the help everybody. should just be a matter of a vanilla flash now20:10
illuminatathen maybe i'll see about cssu20:10
keriocssu is good!20:10
DocScrutinizer05flasher --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset,no-ext-wd,no-omap-wd20:10
illuminatastable too?20:10
DocScrutinizer05iirc20:10
kerioidk20:10
kerioi'm on cssu-devel+thumb now20:10
keriobut i'm crazy and i don't do anything important in my life anyway20:10
illuminatalol20:11
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DocScrutinizer05illuminata: yes, CSSU-S is stable (and actually wouldn't have rebooted for you ;-D )20:11
keriocssu-s is old20:11
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illuminatalol, good to know. maybe i'll give it a shot20:11
DocScrutinizer05you should20:12
DocScrutinizer05it's recommended for everybody now20:12
illuminatabut is it true that it's hard to roll back from?20:12
DocScrutinizer05you don't want to roll back20:12
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DocScrutinizer05just like you don't want or can rollback from PR1.3 to PR1.220:12
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DocScrutinizer05just think of it like PR1.420:14
illuminatak20:15
DocScrutinizer05it's not about new features primarily, it's mere support for all users20:15
DocScrutinizer05fixing bugs that Nokia never will touch20:16
sixwheeledbeastkerio: yes CSSU stable is old but that's how they become stable. with testing testing and more testing.20:16
DocScrutinizer05and next CSSU-S release is at horizon - RSN, only a matter of weeks now20:17
sixwheeledbeastthat's nice to know20:17
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DocScrutinizer05illuminata: you most probably won't notice any difference after installing CSSU-S20:19
DocScrutinizer05if you do, let us know. There shouldn't be any difference regarding user experience20:19
DocScrutinizer05except some annoying bugs missing20:20
DocScrutinizer05;-)20:20
DocScrutinizer05all new leete things are strictly optional20:21
DocScrutinizer05opt-in20:21
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DocScrutinizer05on CSSU-Stable that is, CSSU-Testing is a bit more bleeding edge, since we need the new features tested, so in T they are opt-out (or at least that's what we try to achieve, some are not optional [yet])20:23
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DocScrutinizer05anyway I couldn't think of any reason why you would wnat to roll back to plain PR1.3.1 from CSSU-S20:24
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's easy to roll back to PR1.3, btw20:24
DocScrutinizer05reflash, yes20:25
kerio:D20:25
illuminatalol, gotcha20:27
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DocScrutinizer05illuminata: one tiny "fix" I'm actually proud of, is that CSSU in your case wouldn't reboot device on HD respawning too fast, but simply give up, leaving you with a device like you could also get with watchdogs disabled20:34
illuminatathat'd be great should similar crop up again20:34
DocScrutinizer05press shift-ctrl-x on kbd and you shouls still get a shell20:35
illuminataworked20:36
illuminataand for some reason the phone's stayed alive for a bit now20:36
DocScrutinizer05I meant on a not-bootlooping fecked CSSU20:36
illuminataright. just saying i've been lucky thus far on this boot20:36
illuminatastill gonna vanilla it i think though20:36
illuminatagot what i wanted off the phone20:36
DocScrutinizer05nice. Well some widget on desktop going apeshit will tear down whole HD process. Sometimes the widget recovers though, or simply waits a bit till it acts up again20:37
DocScrutinizer05in your case I guess it's been OMweather or what's the name20:37
illuminatai tried removing widgets but they'd vanish before i could clear them off from a gui20:38
illuminatai uninstalled omweather completely, no dice20:38
DocScrutinizer05I once had same bootloop problem when I dragged OMweather from one screen to next, while same time $something interrupted the process20:39
DocScrutinizer05back in "good ole" Pr1.0 times20:40
DocScrutinizer05I wasn't as luckky as you20:40
DocScrutinizer05had to reflash20:40
DocScrutinizer05vanilla20:41
illuminatawell my luck is only that it hasn't rebooted yet but the icon cycling issues are still being annoying20:41
DocScrutinizer05you actually should reflash vanilla too20:42
DocScrutinizer05now that you secured all your data20:42
DocScrutinizer05it's indeed been an unfortunate decision to run all widgets *inside* HD process20:43
DocScrutinizer05when any of them segfaults, it's actually HD that goes down20:43
illuminataindeed20:46
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illuminatagreat, not getting a success message when flashing emmc20:53
illuminatastops at 20% on the data transfer and sends be back to prompt20:53
DocScrutinizer05hmm, might be cable20:54
DocScrutinizer05or sometimes download file corruption of image file20:54
DocScrutinizer05sometimes just wrong file20:55
illuminatahttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78088 combing through this thread20:55
DocScrutinizer05recheck you're using the 'latest' vanilla image20:55
illuminataam indeed20:55
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illuminatawell, seems that just treating it as if the emmc flash worked did the trick21:11
illuminataso maybe it really did and just didn't report it as such21:11
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keriowhen calibrating bq27k, it's better to have a steady, low-ish drain instead of a jittery but stronger drain, right?21:19
DocScrutinizer05yes21:21
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keriowhy does it make a difference, though21:22
kerio?21:22
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DocScrutinizer05due to internal impedance, it will reach EDV1 sooner or later, depending on hifger or lower current21:33
DocScrutinizer05higher*21:33
kerioshould EDV1 be reached with the lowest possible current consumption, to calibrate the battery more accurately?21:34
DocScrutinizer05also in cery bursty load you might encounter a situation where system shuts down due to minimum voltage for system tripped before EDV1 had time to "stabilize" (needs some 10s or so to get detected)21:35
DocScrutinizer05kerio: the calibration will be 100% exact for the current it's done with21:35
kerioi see21:36
DocScrutinizer05so if you want to calibrate your device for idle standby time, you should use a load similar to idle load21:36
keriohm, is screen at max brightness similar to screen at low brightness + irc over 3g?21:37
keriomeh, i don't really care anyway21:37
DocScrutinizer05if you are more interested in TTE at maximum load, use maximum load for calibration21:37
DocScrutinizer05yes, kinda21:37
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: hrmpf, calculating AI is actually pretty hard :s21:48
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freemangordon~seen zeq22:49
infobotzeq <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1:e6ec:10ff:fe9a:d418> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 2h 27m 27s ago, saying: 'see you later DocScrutinizer05 '.22:49
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ZogG_laptop~seen Elop22:55
infobotelop <~outlawart@d24-150-93-26.home.cgocable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 122d 16h 38m 19s ago, saying: 'I still keep in touch with engineers at Espoo'.22:55
Sicelowut? :D22:57
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DocScrutinizer05~seen stevenelop23:29
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'stevenelop'23:29
DocScrutinizer05~seen stefenelop23:29
infoboti haven't seen 'stefenelop', DocScrutinizer0523:29
DocScrutinizer05~seen stephenelop23:30
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'stephenelop'23:30
DocScrutinizer05incredible23:30
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stephenelopsee me now, stupid bot?23:31
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user__what have I missed23:54
user__?23:54
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