IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-08-30

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freemangordonjavispedro: ping00:37
freemangordonjavispedro: would you elaborate on "freemangordon WTF?", What problem did you see with VKB RE and LGPL?00:38
javispedrofreemangordon: it smells "decompile" from a mile00:38
ludenshow do i install mpd in maemo?00:39
freemangordonjavispedro: Sure, but what is the exact problem. I never denied it is a RE work00:39
javispedrofreemangordon: you cannot then say it is GPL00:40
freemangordonI checked licensing of the packages in question, there are no copyright00:40
javispedrolack of license != no copyright00:40
javispedroactually, lack of license text on most countries is == strongest copyright00:41
freemangordonchecked EULA too (SDK one)00:41
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javispedro(double negative dammit!)00:41
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javispedrofreemangordon: and where in the SDK EULA does it say you can freely relicense to GPL ?00:42
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freemangordonjavispedro: ok, what license should I put in source files and deb?00:42
freemangordonjavispedro: according to EULA, those files are not Nikia (C) (original debs I mean)00:42
DocScrutinizer51please consider what I suggested00:42
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: sure, I jsu want an advice from javispedro, as he was the one to point there is something wrong00:43
DocScrutinizer51and my comment was to him00:43
freemangordonaah, ok00:43
DocScrutinizer51javispedro: we got qgil 'licence' to redistribute (c)blobs00:44
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: _freely_?00:45
DocScrutinizer51so a passage 'all decompiled sections in this file are from maemo <file> and (c) Nokia'00:45
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: can you share some specifics on that?00:45
freemangordonBTW: "The Software copyrighted by Nokia or some third parties is licensed to you00:46
freemangordonunder the Nokia End-User License Agreement [see below] and distributed to00:46
freemangordonyou only in binary form.00:46
DocScrutinizer51in my book it doesn't matter if original complete binary, parts, or even disassembled parts. As long as we keep original (c)00:46
freemangordonbut there is no (C)00:46
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: dissembled parts might be considered derivative works00:46
DocScrutinizer51well, derivative works not worse than unaltered original00:47
javispedrobut I'm curious on the specifics of the CSSU redistribution "exemptions"00:47
javispedrodid qgil really give you permission to redistribute all binary blobs to anyone ? O.o00:48
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freemangordonjavispedro: there is qgil's post on TMO, lemme try to find it00:48
DocScrutinizer51qgil said 'don't worry' :-D00:48
freemangordonhere is SDK eula
DocScrutinizer51doesn't matter00:49
javispedroyou should know that standard practice on a OSS project to members who have read disassembles of proprietary software is to disavow everyone even remotely involved...00:49
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javispedroI know about Nokia's "don't worry" thing, but still, the code is tainted and should be clearly marked as such00:50
DocScrutinizer51see above suggestion00:50
DocScrutinizer51*no* GPL, keep (c)Nokia00:51
javispedroI have to concur with DocScrutinizer51 *if* qgil really gave such generous permissions.00:51
javispedrobut, IANAL.00:51
DocScrutinizer51even state 'you may use this file and info in it only if you own a N900 and accepted Nokia's eula'00:52
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: how am I supposed to put (C) Nokia, when the originals are not (C) Nokia. Isn't that worse?00:52
javispedrofreemangordon: why do you say they are not (C) Nokia?00:52
DocScrutinizer51everything maemo kis (c) Nokia00:52
DocScrutinizer51if not explicitly then by general law00:53
javispedro"excluding Open Source Software" as said on the EULA00:53
freemangordonbecause there is no copyright file coming with the debs. BTW, lemme check something, I might be wrong00:53
javispedrofreemangordon: read about "automatic copyright"00:54
DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: generally you don't need the '(C)' to claim copyright. There are laws for that00:54
freemangordon"(c) 2007 Nokia Corporation. All rights reserved"00:54
freemangordonwell, I'll change the licens00:55
DocScrutinizer51everything without explicit licence is under general legislation00:55
freemangordonMy point was, that eula splits things in two - those (C) by nokia, and the others. But as (C) is explicitly stated in the binary, i'll change the header00:56
javispedrobut it doesn't matter00:57
javispedrogenerally you have to assume no (C) => Nokia's.00:57
SpeedEvilIndeed. Copyright doesn't work on the basis 'no explicit licence -> public domain'00:58
DocScrutinizer51au contraire00:58
SpeedEvilYou do not have to explicitly claim copyright for it to exist.00:58
javispedrothis is my automatic copyright remark above00:58
freemangordonok, ok , got it :)00:59
javispedrosome countries may not do this =)00:59
SpeedEvilah - right - nvm00:59
SpeedEvilI should read bbackscorll00:59
freemangordonwell, the local law here allows me to do whatever I want with a SW I have the right to use ;)00:59
SpeedEvilBut I was busy reading 'the interpretation act 1978'.01:00
SpeedEvilWhich is as boring as you might expect.01:00
freemangordonincluding RE and such, if that is needed to fit the purpose01:00
javispedroSpeedEvil: I'm reinstalling winbugs on someone else's laptop, which is certainly more boring01:01
DocScrutinizer51except publish01:01
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freemangordonanyway, i'll put some (C) Nokia instead of LGPL01:02
DocScrutinizer51but this together with qgil permission to redistribute makes it safe to publish disassembly as long as we clearly state what it is and that Nokia owns it01:02
freemangordonyep. And I can bet noone in Nokia really cares01:03
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DocScrutinizer51but nerds in foss community will01:03
SpeedEvilThe ability to distribute does not mean that you can redistribute derivitive works (which is what a dissasembly is)01:04
DocScrutinizer51and those are worse01:04
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SpeedEvilThough an automatic derivitive work does not have its own copyright in the us, and may in the Eu, for example.01:04
* SpeedEvil is pretending to be a lawyer at the moment, and not enjoying it.01:05
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freemangordonnight, tomorrow will ask again if there is some progress (besides (C) thing)01:12
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: nobody else will do that as you noticed already it's no fun. So our stuff just has to look like we care and had some competent advice. freemangordon already correctly assumed nobody at Nokia ever will care01:13
SpeedEvilThe person that would care almost certainly got fired a year ago01:13
SpeedEvilmaybe two.01:14
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javispedroI'd take care specially since they might very soon convert into a company entirely staffed by lawyers01:15
javispedroso, on to more useful things01:15
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javispedrodo you know about some daemon that monitors a certain folder (using inotify, fanotify, whatever) and launches rsync as appropiate?01:16
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: I think qgil's 'licence' will give them more heafdache than all disassembled code in fmg's work01:16
SpeedEvilSorry for the distraction.01:16
SpeedEviljavispedro: Well - I had my system just running rsync every hour at one point. Worked OK01:16
SpeedEviljavispedro: between phone and server media dir01:16
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: inotify-monitor01:16
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DocScrutinizer05actually: inotifywait   inotifywatch01:17
DocScrutinizer05pretty convenient cmdline tools01:18
javispedrojust thinking that I could point it to my DCIM folder, add some wlan connectivity detection, and call it freeCloud01:18
DocScrutinizer05wtf fanotify?01:19
javispedrosome new crap kernel gurus came with01:19
javispedroit was attached to the phrase "on-access antivirus scanner" so I'm not enabling it on my systems just in case =)01:19
DocScrutinizer05ooh, maybe a fs-global inotify?01:20
javispedroyeah, certainly01:20
DocScrutinizer05aka ld-preload alike hook into fopen()01:20
javispedro(funnily, didn't notify about renames and unlinks...)01:21
javispedro*it didn't01:21
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javispedrowell, i do think it'll work for the antivirus usecase.01:22
ludenshow do i install mpd in maemo?01:23
javispedronite DocScrutinizer0501:23
javispedroludens: well, search for it in the repos and apt-get it, like Debian...01:23
ludensyeah it cant be found in the gui app manager01:24
javispedroso I suppose no one ported it01:24
ludensand aptitude cant find a candidate version01:24
javispedroprobable more common usecase is running mpd on the desktop ;P01:24
ludensbut i know people use it01:24
ludensive seen mentions of it on the web01:25
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Estel_merlin1991, ping02:17
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Estel_valid argument - busybox replacement is by any means *not* possible outside CSSU, at least "proper" way02:18
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Estel_= as good we could replace everything that cssu replaces by binary replacements (wrong, wrong!)02:19
Estel_copnsidering this, + all benefits of upstream bugfixes + busybox-power, logical question:02:19
Estel_when the fuck we wil lend this comedy and busybox-power will be included into CSSU?02:19
Estel_hell, this package originates from times when CSSU wasn't even in plans02:19
Estel_one of most thoroguhly tested, maintained continously by same person over YEARS project, that can be shipped properly only by CSSU way (current version i nextras does trick with binary replacemenent), and it's still outside CSSU due to political, idiotic pseudo-reasons02:20
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Estel_...while we're adding things like portrait support to busybix in CSSU02:21
Estel_what the hell, I ask?02:21
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Estel_maybe we should start discussion in community mailing list and/or TMO, if CSSU team need more "motivation"? It's really unexplainable, why busybox-power is kept out of CSSU.02:22
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Estel_+spank DocScrutinizer05 for using argument about "easily installable from extras" - binary replacement trick is*not* proper way, as said, we could ship whole CSSU using such method, but it would be *wrong*, wrong, and wrong even more. There is no other alternative for busybox-power (aka, again *fuckin upstream* fixes) to be provided for Maemo, it's either *proper* way of CSSu, or hackish tricky failprone binary replacement.02:23
Estel_merlin1991 ^^^ - rant over. If I ever hear again political arguments against busybox-power, I swear, people are gonna die.02:24
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maraineinGeneralAntilles, small world05:06
GeneralAntillesI knew I recognized the nick.05:07
GeneralAntillesThe internet is a disturbingly small place sometimes.05:07
maraineinirc has passed its point of maximum expansion, and is currently shrinking towards a big crunch05:08
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GeneralAntillesPerhaps we'll all form SkyNet when it does.05:08
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SpeedEviland Samsung announces first wp8 phone...05:25
fredrinLapgoodbye nokia05:25
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DocScrutinizer05Estel_: If I ever hear threats again from you, I swear YOU gonna die (as user of this chan)09:38
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: how do you read, p. 47709:43
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: the part "TH05 – 3H103F thermistor resistance variation as a09:43
freemangordonfunction of temperature.09:43
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DocScrutinizer05Estel_: busybox-power *is* optional and it will stay optional. If you don't like this, go and create your own fork where you can play dictator of your users, instead of offering them freedom of choice09:47
DocScrutinizer05Estel_: btw this is a topic for #maemo-ssu, aka OT in here basically09:51
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freemangordon~seen zeq09:59
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: seems like bot is still sleeping :)10:00
DocScrutinizer05infobot impersonation can't log in10:01
DocScrutinizer05unclear reasons10:01
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: anyway THS05-3H103F thermistor is mentioned several times in twl TRM, could we assume that is the thermistor (for batt temp) in n900? though the table is different from the one in 3430sdp.s10:02
LaoLang_coolany good news for maemo and maemo-ssu?10:03
freemangordonyep, they are still alive10:03
keriofreemangordon: "alive"10:04
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freemangordonkerio: aren't thay?10:05
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon, wow!10:05
* freemangordon is still having his morning coffee10:05
keriofreemangordon: well, only -thumb used to fit that description10:06
keriobut it stopped too10:06
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: Nokia might have picked another thermistor for various reasons10:06
freemangordonkerio: too bad :P. Any clue why it stopped?10:06
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yeah, so the only option is polinomial then :(10:07
DocScrutinizer05why do you think we'd need a friggin complex polynomial when we could just adjust the lookup table10:08
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: is that thermistor inside the battery?10:08
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keriofreemangordon: idk, the maintainer got bored or something10:09
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DocScrutinizer05infobot: wb10:09
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yes, but we need about 60 points10:10
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: p477 on  ??10:17
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: can't find your quoted text there10:19
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: sorry, my bad, a typo, it is 47410:21
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freemangordonalso look at p. 45610:22
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DocScrutinizer05that's what I do right now10:24
freemangordonTHS05-3H103F looks more than recommendation10:24
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freemangordonthus my question "could we assume"10:24
DocScrutinizer05seems it's mandatory since I fail to see a way to configure automatic emergency shutdown at "right" temperature, when using other component10:25
DocScrutinizer05yes, so we can assume10:25
freemangordonirqs too10:25
DocScrutinizer05dunno if irq, shutdown, both, or self-destruction ;-)10:25
DocScrutinizer05just had a cursory read10:26
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freemangordonyeah, same here, but it looks like a mandatory part10:26
freemangordonwell, it seems my work on BCI driver won't be in vain10:26
DocScrutinizer05unless manufacturer accepts different shutoff/irq-trigger temperature for bat10:27
freemangordonI think to add temp reading functionality to the driver, solving BME replacement issue10:27
freemangordonok, going afk, bbl10:28
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DocScrutinizer05Estel_: best "motivation" of cssu-team would be YOU stopping this useless bitching10:33
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ZogG_laptopwho was trying to switch memory chip on n900, as someeone did on n9 :P10:33
DocScrutinizer05ZogG_laptop: different story10:35
DocScrutinizer05ZogG_laptop: N900 already comes with 32GB eMMC10:35
DocScrutinizer05on N9 you could swap the 16GB for 64GB, I'm sure10:36
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DocScrutinizer05Estel_: if this is any comedy, then because you're giving the clown here. Stop that and everybody will be fine10:38
keriowait, what?10:39
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keriowhen did Estel_ talk?10:39
ZogG_laptopi missed the clown part, was it earlier or my smart lag connection speed does ignore for me all unneeded parts?10:39
DocScrutinizer05Estel_: if that makes you happy: i'm also not convinced we should get portrait support to busybox-basic10:39
keriooh, still that old one10:39
DocScrutinizer05but it has way less risk that replacing busybox-basic by busybox-power10:40
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infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: but it has way less risk than replacing busybox-basic by busybox-power10:40
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: fwiw busybox-power comes directly from upstream, and it's been heavily tested by all sorts of people10:42
DocScrutinizer05plus it's actually scatching an itch, while power enhancements are useless from a cssu perspective10:43
DocScrutinizer05kerio: irrelevant, it evidently eats half a megabyte in rootfs, and that's already enough to not include it for the shits'n'giggles, when everybody can as well get it as optional package already10:44
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the optional package is an unholy abomination10:44
DocScrutinizer05kerio: then fix that unholy abomination, why would CSSU care?10:45
kerioit can't be fixed, it needs to replace /bin/busybox in some way10:45
DocScrutinizer05no, it doesn't10:45
DocScrutinizer05does bash need to replace anything?10:45
kerioit needs to replace bash, surely10:46
keriomuch like busybox needs to replace busybox10:46
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DocScrutinizer05this however is busybox-power10:46
DocScrutinizer05the name alone already suggests it's not a busybox replacement10:46
kerioit's busybox10:46
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kerioBusyBox v1.20.2 (Debian 1.20.2power1) multi-call binary.10:47
DocScrutinizer05I'll stop this shit now, since it really becomes comedy. All been discussed ad nauseum, and nothing to add to the given arguments. In my book the arguments NOT to mess with busybox-basic for the benefit of busybox power fanboys are stronger than the emotional arguing of estel et al10:48
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DocScrutinizer05if you want busybox-power, install it. If you don't like the busybox-power package, then fix or stay away from it. Stop pestering CSSU about that package10:49
ZogG_laptopWoody14619, ping10:50
DocScrutinizer05honestly there's nothing CSSU can do for you, that you couldn't already do on your own, without CSSU getting involved at all10:50
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DocScrutinizer05ETX with messybox-power and CSSU now. Definitely10:52
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* kerio decides against it10:56
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DocScrutinizer05((<estel_> ... It's really unexplainable, why busybox-power is kept out of CSSU.)) The only unexplainable thing is the way your brain refuses to grok sound arguments and refrains to repeating same shit over and over again. Sometimes you sound like a parrot or a defective gramophone10:58
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LaoLang_coolHow to set default time zone and time on maemo? If I took battery out for a long time, then after turn maemo on, I have to choose time and timezone again11:40
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LaoLang_coolI foiund a file /etc/clock.d/clockd-settings.default, but configuring it has no any effect.11:43
infobotLaoLang_cool meant: I found a file /etc/clock.d/clockd-settings.default, but configuring it has no any effect.11:43
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StyXman_LaoLang_cool: I just skip the dialog and use ntp to resync11:44
LaoLang_coolStyXman_, but I have to change default time zone11:45
StyXman_I think the TZ is properly saved11:45
StyXman_at least in my case, it does11:45
StyXman_maybe /etc/timezone ?11:45
LaoLang_coolStyXman_, no, if the battaery tooken out for a long time (> 20 second maybe), you have to reset them11:46
LaoLang_coolStyXman_, no such file /etc/timezone here..11:47
LaoLang_coolcssu stable version11:47
DocScrutinizer05there's something a bit special about timezone settings n maemo - I mean not like usual on linux11:48
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DocScrutinizer05lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           33 Aug 28 11:15 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin11:49
DocScrutinizer05lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           29 Aug 28 11:15 /etc/ -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT-211:49
keriomaemo is very special, yeah11:51
DocScrutinizer05don't create/edit /etc/localtime as it will get replaced by a link again, next time you save that locale-picker dialog11:51
LaoLang_coolno matter how /etc/localtime, after took batery out for a long time, n900 will restore to it's default time zone11:55
LaoLang_coolI have to reset the timezone and time11:55
StyXman_DocScrutinizer05: that means that if we point /etc/ to our tz it should recover perfectly?11:56
StyXman_I have both pointing to the right TZ11:57
LaoLang_cooloh, I should try it, they points to different timezone in my maemo11:58
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kerioi have both to Europe/Rome12:30
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DocScrutinizer51infobot: CHANINFO14:12
infobot124/124 channels, 5059 users, 3605 unique: #debian/1204, #kde/375, #maemo/281, #gsoc/227, #meego/200, #asterisk/190, #harmattan/187, #wowuidev/163, #oe/153, #wowace/129, #webos-internals/107, #wowhead/95, #arm-netbook/89, #openmoko/85, #n9/71, #openmoko-cdevel/69, #utah/67, #uclibc/65, #tomcat/60, #bzflag/59, #qi-hardware/59, #htc-linux/57, #curseforge/56, #edev/54, #maemo-ssu/53, #asterisk-dev/46, #sc2mapster/44, #flow3/41, #elinux/41, #slug/36, ...14:12
ZogG_laptopasterisk :P interesting14:15
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DocScrutinizer51what's so special about #asterisk ?14:22
DocScrutinizer51way more interesing: #maemo on position 3 again14:23
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vdvhi all14:32
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vdvneed help. i've tried the solution given in post to lock device on startup. expected behaviour is, that after hildon-desktop is started autolock must be disabled, but it still stays active14:34
vdvi.e. pre-stop script doesn't work there14:34
vdvrunning "/usr/bin/gconftool -s -t bool /system/osso/dsm/locks/devicelock_autolock_enabled false" from terminal manually disables autolock14:35
vdvwhat's wrong there?14:35
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kerioDocScrutinizer51: asterisk is special because nobody knows how to make it work15:13
DocScrutinizer51vdv: ?15:15
vdvDocScrutinizer05, i've just noticed that event script actually works15:15
vdvbut setting is overwrriten15:15
vdvif i access hildon menu15:16
DocScrutinizer51vdv: I duno which user is running the pre-stop script, but gconftool is user specific15:16
vdvi.e. script turns off autolock, but if i go to settings to look whether autolock is disabled or not, it turns on again15:17
DocScrutinizer51strace settings15:18
DocScrutinizer51it seems it stores the state either internally (in that case you'd need to kill -o the process immediately after gconftool call)15:19
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DocScrutinizer51or it has another gconf key or even other file to stroe the state, the you should change it there15:20
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vdvDocScrutinizer05, yeah, but i can't just strace settings, too abstract suggestion :D15:24
vdvand either of two cases are for me obvious too :)15:25
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vdvinteresting, is it safe to modify file "/etc/osso-af-init/gconf-dir/system/osso/dsm/locks/%gconf.xml"? :)17:08
vdvwont that brick my n900? :)17:08
vdvi've removed entry there: "<entry name="touchscreen_keypad_autolock_enabled" mtime="1284131142" schema="/schemas/system/osso/dsm/locks/touchscreen_keypad_autolock_enabled"/>"17:09
chem|stvdv: you should not alter gconf by hand... use gconftool-217:10
vdvif i only knew how :)17:10
chem|stgconftool-2 --help17:10
chem|stit is like a directory/file tree17:11
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vdvwhat's the difference between gconftool and gconftool-2?17:11
vdvi disable autolock with gconftool -s -t bool /system/osso/dsm/locks/devicelock_autolock_enabled false17:12
chem|stno idea (version age compatibility who knows? why bother)17:12
vdvbut that setting is overwritten17:12
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vdvwhen i enter settings->device lock17:12
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chem|stvdv: sure it is...17:13
chem|stvdv: why do you want to alter it in gconf anyway?17:13
chem|stdo you want to automate something?17:13
vdvi want to lock device on startup17:14
vdvand it's done with enabling/disabling autolock temporarely in init script17:14
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vdvbut some process reenables autolock after hildon start17:15
vdvand also when i enter settings17:15
vdvchem|st, i've removed entry from %gconf.xml and seems it has desirable effect17:16
chem|stdoes that actually work?17:16
vdvyes, locking at startup works17:16
vdvthe only problem is annoying autolock when device is on17:16
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chem|stwell if it isn't there anymore the program using its entry might segfault or halt or zombie or bootloop... if it is just being silent good...17:17
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chem|stvdv: if your startupscript stuff makes it happen then you might start there to have a look for mistakes not the other way round17:17
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vdvdon't understand last idea17:18
chem|stthe device is not automagically setting the device lock17:18
chem|stit is not disabled in the first place and something is holding on to the enabled setting17:19
vdvchem|st, so, in general, you think, that modifying /etc/osso-af-init/gconf-dir/system/osso/dsm/locks/%gconf.xml is not a good idea, right?17:20
vdvand altering that via gconftool-2 too17:20
chem|stand do not use the autolock function... initiate the "you are locked" state instead17:20
vdvvia direct dbus call?17:21
chem|stor set the timeout to something within days so it does not happen17:21
chem|sthow is the lock initiated?17:22
vdvthis call does that: /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=method_call /com/nokia/system_ui/request string:'' string:'/com/nokia/mce/request' string:'' string:'devlock_callback' uint32:'3'17:22
vdvbut not sure if i can run it from script in /etc/event.d/17:22
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vdvwith condition "start on startup"17:23
vdvcan i call run-standalone in early phases during boot?17:24
vdvbefore hildon starts up?17:24
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chem|stno idea17:25
keriowtf is anyway?17:27
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DocScrutinizer51a scriptie to set some env vars etc that aren't available usually when script doesn't run in interactive user shell17:47
DocScrutinizer51less `which`17:48
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vdvDocScrutinizer05, is it safe to edit /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml and remove entry? :)17:54
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DocScrutinizer05vdv: [2012-08-30 14:19:36] <DocScrutinizer51> it seems it stores the state either internally (in that case you'd need to >>>kill -9<<< the process immediately after gconftool call)18:34
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DocScrutinizer05[2012-08-30 16:24:19] <vdv> can i call run-standalone in early phases during boot? [2012-08-30 16:24:26] <vdv> before hildon starts up?  ###### Nope, you can't lock hildon before it got started18:40
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vdvDocScrutinizer05, ok thanks18:41
DocScrutinizer05dunno what mce does when there's a request to lock the screen while there is no screen to lock18:41
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, have you had a look to phonecontrol wikipage?18:42
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DocScrutinizer05vdv: aiui your whole 'problem' is to get a device-lock-code requester on bootup, but not have the device lock automatically later on during normal suage?18:47
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kerioaw balls, there's no dns2tcp in the repos18:50
vdvDocScrutinizer05, exactly18:50
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keriowho should i pay to get it compiled for me? i *really* don't want to learn how scratchbox works18:51
vdvand it works now, if i don't go to settings and open device lock applet18:51
kerioand gcc + glibc-dev won't fit on the rootfs, i'm afraid18:51
vdvopening applet breaks the autolock setting18:51
vdvsets it to true18:51
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vdvand if i set it to false from gui, then on next start lock code is not requested18:52
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DocScrutinizer05vdv: consider this:
DocScrutinizer05vdv: In expression set timeout for autolock to 100h, and consider your problem solved, without any script to run18:54
vdvlol, that's exactly the page i've used before18:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: will gcc+glibc-dev fit on the n900's rootfs?18:54
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vdvDocScrutinizer05, it's not a solution :)18:55
DocScrutinizer05vdv: why not?18:55
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DocScrutinizer05if 100h til device lock are no solution, how's about 10000h then?18:55
vdvbecause after 100 hours it will lock18:55
DocScrutinizer05NB the duration is from last interactive event18:56
vdvand after 10000h it'll also lock18:56
vdvi understand18:56
vdvbut it's a workaround18:56
DocScrutinizer05no it won't since it will never run 10000h without you touching screen or plugging usb or whatever18:56
vdvtheoretically it can happen18:56
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it won't happen with *your* battery!18:57
vdvi hate nokia :) did you what they have written in user guide of n900?18:57
DocScrutinizer05unless you got it sitting on charger18:57
vdvdid you see18:57
kerioi didn't know there was a user guide18:57
vdvjust a moment, i'll give a cite18:57
vdvFirst Start-Up... Switch the device on... If the device asks for a PIN or lock code (!), enter it..18:59
vdvdamn, n900 don't ask for lock code on startup!18:59
vdvit's not designed so, idiots19:00
keriohuh? surely it can be configured to do so19:00
vdvi.e. not so easily19:00
vdvnot by ordinary user19:00
DocScrutinizer05sure it will ask for lockcode when lockcode got enabled19:01
DocScrutinizer05the whole point of lockcode19:01
vdvups, right, sorry19:02
vdvbut i can't configure it to ask for lock code ONLY at startup!19:02
vdvi hate nokia anyway19:02
infobotit has been said that nokia is a cellphone company from Finland.19:02
infobotelop is probably a microsoft spy and one of the most successfull corporate trolls19:02
keriothat's better19:03
kerioinfobot: elop is definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls19:03
infobot...but elop is already something else...19:03
kerioinfobot: elop is definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls19:03
DocScrutinizer05you can configure it to ask for lockcode at startup and after 1000h of inactivity19:03
kerioinfobot: no, elop is definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls19:04
infobotokay, kerio19:04
infobotit has been said that elop is definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls19:04
DocScrutinizer05forget elop19:04
DocScrutinizer05~forget elop19:04
infoboti forgot elop, DocScrutinizer0519:04
vdvi've payed 450$ for that piece of shit.. and i have troubles with it since i've began to use it19:04
DocScrutinizer05~unforget elop19:04
infobotDocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered 'elop'.  Have fun now.19:04
infobotfrom memory, elop is definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls19:04
keriovdv: aww, don't be like this19:04
keriothe n900 is pretty fucking good19:04
kerioi mean19:05
kerioit's awful, but it's lightyears ahead of anything else19:05
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: you earned a bot-ban for redefining a factoid without even checking it before19:05
keriowait, what?19:05
kerioDocScrutinizer05: look up19:05
DocScrutinizer05ooh, sorry19:05
kerioi most definetely did *not* earn that bot ban19:05
infobotkerio: thanks19:06
kerioooh, i *can* install gcc and libc6-dev19:08
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kerioah fuck i don't have make19:20
keriooh nvm, it's cheap19:20
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freemangordonvdv: any chance instead of bashing n900 to open a bug?19:31
freemangordongrrr, where is zeq19:31
vdvfreemangordon, don't think it make sense19:32
freemangordonto file a bug? why is that?19:32
vdvn900 users are getting less and less everyday19:33
freemangordonhmm, do you have some hard values on that?19:33
freemangordonat least their initial count19:33
vdvno, just intuitively19:35
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freemangordonvdv: and how is related the number of users to the chance a bug to be fixed? I don't get it.19:37
vdvbtw. what bug do you mean?19:37
freemangordonthe functionality you miss in screen lock19:37
vdvdon't think it's a bug19:38
freemangordonan enhancement falls in the same category19:38
vdvthere much more serious bugs and enhancements to fix in case of n900 and maemo19:39
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freemangordonsure, but it won't hurt to open an maybe easy to fix one. The chances are getting real.19:40
vdvfreemangordon, too demotivated :)19:47
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keriovdv: sounds like a neat CSSU enhancement19:55
vdvkerio, messaging app looks ugly in portrait mode :)19:57
vdvit has to be scrolled horizontally in order to see all contents19:57
freemangordonvdv: there is .css to fix that, search on TMO19:58
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freemangordonthere are at least 10 messaging "themes" supporing portrait19:59
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keriofreemangordon: hm, why wasn't the default one "fixed" in cssu?20:00
keriobtw, what do people use? n-series theme or the orange one?20:00
freemangordonNFC, maybe noone knows CSS enough to fix it20:01
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freemangordonkerio: it is "theme" , not theme ;). Several CSSes20:01
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keriovdv: btw, what smartphone/tablet are you (planning on) using to replace the n900?20:04
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vdvkerio, i don't know, probably i'll just live further with n900 until it breaks20:06
kerioi did that20:06
kerioand then i bought another n90020:06
keriobut you claim the n900 sucks20:06
vdvafter n900 i'll buy some cheap phone to make calls and send messages20:07
freemangordonkerio: could you confirm that new busybox-power-thumb is in the repo?20:07
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freemangordon~seen zeq20:18
infobotzeq <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1:e6ec:10ff:fe9a:d418> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 23h 56m 52s ago, saying: 'see you later DocScrutinizer05 '.20:18
freemangordon~seen zeq120:18
infobotzeq1 <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1::a20> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 6h 56m 45s ago, saying: 'freemangordon: ok will do'.20:18
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: is the bupbat connected to bq27200 too?20:23
kerioor is the calibration data stored in a non-volatile way?20:23
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vi__holy cow, obama was on reddit.22:12
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vi__the internet is REAL!22:12
kerioand the servers crashed hard22:12
keriohe had half an hour free, he only answered 10 or so questions22:12
keriohe wrote nice, long answers though22:12
vi__what a bro.22:13
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vi__I almost wish I was a yank so I could vote for him.22:13
keriooh :322:13
vi__Then I remember he is up to his balls in bullshit corruption as well.22:13
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