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| freemangordon | javispedro: ping | 00:37 |
| javispedro | pong | 00:37 |
| javispedro | freemangordon^^ | 00:37 |
| freemangordon | javispedro: would you elaborate on "freemangordon WTF?", What problem did you see with VKB RE and LGPL? | 00:38 |
| javispedro | freemangordon: it smells "decompile" from a mile | 00:38 |
| ludens | how do i install mpd in maemo? | 00:39 |
| freemangordon | javispedro: Sure, but what is the exact problem. I never denied it is a RE work | 00:39 |
| javispedro | freemangordon: you cannot then say it is GPL | 00:40 |
| freemangordon | I checked licensing of the packages in question, there are no copyright | 00:40 |
| freemangordon | copyrighted | 00:40 |
| javispedro | lack of license != no copyright | 00:40 |
| javispedro | actually, lack of license text on most countries is == strongest copyright | 00:41 |
| freemangordon | checked EULA too (SDK one) | 00:41 |
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| javispedro | (double negative dammit!) | 00:41 |
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| javispedro | freemangordon: and where in the SDK EULA does it say you can freely relicense to GPL ? | 00:42 |
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| freemangordon | javispedro: ok, what license should I put in source files and deb? | 00:42 |
| freemangordon | javispedro: according to EULA, those files are not Nikia (C) (original debs I mean) | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | please consider what I suggested | 00:42 |
| freemangordon | *Nokia | 00:42 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: sure, I jsu want an advice from javispedro, as he was the one to point there is something wrong | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and my comment was to him | 00:43 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: we got qgil 'licence' to redistribute (c)blobs | 00:44 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: _freely_? | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so a passage 'all decompiled sections in this file are from maemo <file> and (c) Nokia' | 00:45 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: can you share some specifics on that? | 00:45 |
| freemangordon | BTW: "The Software copyrighted by Nokia or some third parties is licensed to you | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | under the Nokia End-User License Agreement [see below] and distributed to | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | you only in binary form. | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in my book it doesn't matter if original complete binary, parts, or even disassembled parts. As long as we keep original (c) | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | but there is no (C) | 00:46 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: dissembled parts might be considered derivative works | 00:46 |
| javispedro | *disas'd | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, derivative works not worse than unaltered original | 00:47 |
| javispedro | but I'm curious on the specifics of the CSSU redistribution "exemptions" | 00:47 |
| javispedro | did qgil really give you permission to redistribute all binary blobs to anyone ? O.o | 00:48 |
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| freemangordon | javispedro: there is qgil's post on TMO, lemme try to find it | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | qgil said 'don't worry' :-D | 00:48 |
| javispedro | meh | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | here is SDK eula http://pastebin.com/wKZ2N77y | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't matter | 00:49 |
| javispedro | you should know that standard practice on a OSS project to members who have read disassembles of proprietary software is to disavow everyone even remotely involved... | 00:49 |
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| javispedro | I know about Nokia's "don't worry" thing, but still, the code is tainted and should be clearly marked as such | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | see above suggestion | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | *no* GPL, keep (c)Nokia | 00:51 |
| javispedro | I have to concur with DocScrutinizer51 *if* qgil really gave such generous permissions. | 00:51 |
| javispedro | but, IANAL. | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | even state 'you may use this file and info in it only if you own a N900 and accepted Nokia's eula' | 00:52 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: how am I supposed to put (C) Nokia, when the originals are not (C) Nokia. Isn't that worse? | 00:52 |
| javispedro | freemangordon: why do you say they are not (C) Nokia? | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | everything maemo kis (c) Nokia | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if not explicitly then by general law | 00:53 |
| javispedro | "excluding Open Source Software" as said on the EULA | 00:53 |
| freemangordon | because there is no copyright file coming with the debs. BTW, lemme check something, I might be wrong | 00:53 |
| javispedro | freemangordon: read about "automatic copyright" | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: generally you don't need the '(C)' to claim copyright. There are laws for that | 00:54 |
| freemangordon | "(c) 2007 Nokia Corporation. All rights reserved" | 00:54 |
| freemangordon | well, I'll change the licens | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | everything without explicit licence is under general legislation | 00:55 |
| freemangordon | My point was, that eula splits things in two - those (C) by nokia, and the others. But as (C) is explicitly stated in the binary, i'll change the header | 00:56 |
| javispedro | but it doesn't matter | 00:57 |
| javispedro | generally you have to assume no (C) => Nokia's. | 00:57 |
| freemangordon | ok | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. Copyright doesn't work on the basis 'no explicit licence -> public domain' | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | au contraire | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | You do not have to explicitly claim copyright for it to exist. | 00:58 |
| javispedro | this is my automatic copyright remark above | 00:58 |
| freemangordon | ok, ok , got it :) | 00:59 |
| javispedro | some countries may not do this =) | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - right - nvm | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I should read bbackscorll | 00:59 |
| freemangordon | well, the local law here allows me to do whatever I want with a SW I have the right to use ;) | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | But I was busy reading 'the interpretation act 1978'. | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is as boring as you might expect. | 01:00 |
| freemangordon | including RE and such, if that is needed to fit the purpose | 01:00 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I'm reinstalling winbugs on someone else's laptop, which is certainly more boring | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | except publish | 01:01 |
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| freemangordon | yeah | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: | 01:01 |
| freemangordon | anyway, i'll put some (C) Nokia instead of LGPL | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but this together with qgil permission to redistribute makes it safe to publish disassembly as long as we clearly state what it is and that Nokia owns it | 01:02 |
| freemangordon | yep. And I can bet noone in Nokia really cares | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | definitely | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | but nerds in foss community will | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | The ability to distribute does not mean that you can redistribute derivitive works (which is what a dissasembly is) | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and those are worse | 01:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Though an automatic derivitive work does not have its own copyright in the us, and may in the Eu, for example. | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | sigh. | 01:04 |
| * SpeedEvil is pretending to be a lawyer at the moment, and not enjoying it. | 01:05 | |
| * freemangordon is going to have some sleep | 01:12 | |
| freemangordon | night, tomorrow will ask again if there is some progress (besides (C) thing) | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: nobody else will do that as you noticed already it's no fun. So our stuff just has to look like we care and had some competent advice. freemangordon already correctly assumed nobody at Nokia ever will care | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | The person that would care almost certainly got fired a year ago | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe two. | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ?? | 01:14 |
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| javispedro | I'd take care specially since they might very soon convert into a company entirely staffed by lawyers | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Supposition. | 01:15 |
| javispedro | so, on to more useful things | 01:15 |
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| javispedro | do you know about some daemon that monitors a certain folder (using inotify, fanotify, whatever) and launches rsync as appropiate? | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: I think qgil's 'licence' will give them more heafdache than all disassembled code in fmg's work | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry for the distraction. | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Well - I had my system just running rsync every hour at one point. Worked OK | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: between phone and server media dir | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: inotify-monitor | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually: inotifywait inotifywatch | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty convenient cmdline tools | 01:18 |
| javispedro | just thinking that I could point it to my DCIM folder, add some wlan connectivity detection, and call it freeCloud | 01:18 |
| javispedro | ;P | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf fanotify? | 01:19 |
| javispedro | some new crap kernel gurus came with | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *BURP* | 01:19 |
| javispedro | it was attached to the phrase "on-access antivirus scanner" so I'm not enabling it on my systems just in case =) | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, maybe a fs-global inotify? | 01:20 |
| javispedro | yeah, certainly | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka ld-preload alike hook into fopen() | 01:20 |
| javispedro | (funnily, didn't notify about renames and unlinks...) | 01:21 |
| javispedro | *it didn't | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeeek | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | morons | 01:21 |
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| javispedro | well, i do think it'll work for the antivirus usecase. | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 01:22 |
| ludens | how do i install mpd in maemo? | 01:23 |
| javispedro | nite DocScrutinizer05 | 01:23 |
| javispedro | ludens: well, search for it in the repos and apt-get it, like Debian... | 01:23 |
| ludens | yeah it cant be found in the gui app manager | 01:24 |
| javispedro | so I suppose no one ported it | 01:24 |
| ludens | and aptitude cant find a candidate version | 01:24 |
| javispedro | probable more common usecase is running mpd on the desktop ;P | 01:24 |
| ludens | sure | 01:24 |
| ludens | but i know people use it | 01:24 |
| ludens | ive seen mentions of it on the web | 01:25 |
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| ludens | :/ | 01:31 |
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| Estel_ | merlin1991, ping | 02:17 |
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| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1256131&postcount=287 | 02:18 |
| Estel_ | valid argument - busybox replacement is by any means *not* possible outside CSSU, at least "proper" way | 02:18 |
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| Estel_ | = as good we could replace everything that cssu replaces by binary replacements (wrong, wrong!) | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | copnsidering this, + all benefits of upstream bugfixes + busybox-power, logical question: | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | when the fuck we wil lend this comedy and busybox-power will be included into CSSU? | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | hell, this package originates from times when CSSU wasn't even in plans | 02:19 |
| Estel_ | one of most thoroguhly tested, maintained continously by same person over YEARS project, that can be shipped properly only by CSSU way (current version i nextras does trick with binary replacemenent), and it's still outside CSSU due to political, idiotic pseudo-reasons | 02:20 |
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| Estel_ | ...while we're adding things like portrait support to busybix in CSSU | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | what the hell, I ask? | 02:21 |
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| Estel_ | maybe we should start discussion in community mailing list and/or TMO, if CSSU team need more "motivation"? It's really unexplainable, why busybox-power is kept out of CSSU. | 02:22 |
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| Estel_ | +spank DocScrutinizer05 for using argument about "easily installable from extras" - binary replacement trick is*not* proper way, as said, we could ship whole CSSU using such method, but it would be *wrong*, wrong, and wrong even more. There is no other alternative for busybox-power (aka, again *fuckin upstream* fixes) to be provided for Maemo, it's either *proper* way of CSSu, or hackish tricky failprone binary replacement. | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991 ^^^ - rant over. If I ever hear again political arguments against busybox-power, I swear, people are gonna die. | 02:24 |
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| marainein | GeneralAntilles, small world | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I knew I recognized the nick. | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | The internet is a disturbingly small place sometimes. | 05:07 |
| marainein | irc has passed its point of maximum expansion, and is currently shrinking towards a big crunch | 05:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Perhaps we'll all form SkyNet when it does. | 05:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | and Samsung announces first wp8 phone... | 05:25 |
| fredrinLap | goodbye nokia | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: If I ever hear threats again from you, I swear YOU gonna die (as user of this chan) | 09:38 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: how do you read http://www.ti.com.cn/cn/lit/ug/swcu050g/swcu050g.pdf, p. 477 | 09:43 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: the part "TH05 – 3H103F thermistor resistance variation as a | 09:43 |
| freemangordon | function of temperature. | 09:43 |
| freemangordon | http://www.mmc.co.jp/adv/dev/csv_pdf/TH05/TH05-3H103F.pdf | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: busybox-power *is* optional and it will stay optional. If you don't like this, go and create your own fork where you can play dictator of your users, instead of offering them freedom of choice | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: btw this is a topic for #maemo-ssu, aka OT in here basically | 09:51 |
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| freemangordon | ~seen zeq | 09:59 |
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| freemangordon | ~ping | 10:00 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: seems like bot is still sleeping :) | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot impersonation can't log in | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unclear reasons | 10:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~chaninfo | 10:01 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: anyway THS05-3H103F thermistor is mentioned several times in twl TRM, could we assume that is the thermistor (for batt temp) in n900? though the table is different from the one in 3430sdp.s | 10:02 |
| freemangordon | 3430sdp.c | 10:03 |
| LaoLang_cool | any good news for maemo and maemo-ssu? | 10:03 |
| freemangordon | yep, they are still alive | 10:03 |
| kerio | freemangordon: "alive" | 10:04 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: aren't thay? | 10:05 |
| freemangordon | *they | 10:05 |
| LaoLang_cool | freemangordon, wow! | 10:05 |
| * freemangordon is still having his morning coffee | 10:05 | |
| kerio | freemangordon: well, only -thumb used to fit that description | 10:06 |
| kerio | but it stopped too | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: Nokia might have picked another thermistor for various reasons | 10:06 |
| freemangordon | kerio: too bad :P. Any clue why it stopped? | 10:06 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, so the only option is polinomial then :( | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why do you think we'd need a friggin complex polynomial when we could just adjust the lookup table | 10:08 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: is that thermistor inside the battery? | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt: quit | 10:08 |
| kerio | freemangordon: idk, the maintainer got bored or something | 10:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: wb | 10:09 |
| infobot | thx | 10:09 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yes, but we need about 60 points | 10:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: p477 on http://www.ti.com.cn/cn/lit/ug/swcu050g/swcu050g.pdf ?? | 10:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: can't find your quoted text there | 10:19 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: sorry, my bad, a typo, it is 474 | 10:21 |
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| freemangordon | also look at p. 456 | 10:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I do right now | 10:24 |
| freemangordon | THS05-3H103F looks more than recommendation | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 10:24 |
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| freemangordon | thus my question "could we assume" | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems it's mandatory since I fail to see a way to configure automatic emergency shutdown at "right" temperature, when using other component | 10:25 |
| freemangordon | yes | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, so we can assume | 10:25 |
| freemangordon | irqs too | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if irq, shutdown, both, or self-destruction ;-) | 10:25 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just had a cursory read | 10:26 |
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| freemangordon | yeah, same here, but it looks like a mandatory part | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 10:26 |
| freemangordon | well, it seems my work on BCI driver won't be in vain | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless manufacturer accepts different shutoff/irq-trigger temperature for bat | 10:27 |
| freemangordon | I think to add temp reading functionality to the driver, solving BME replacement issue | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 10:27 |
| freemangordon | ok, going afk, bbl | 10:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 10:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 away too | 10:28 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: best "motivation" of cssu-team would be YOU stopping this useless bitching | 10:33 |
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| ZogG_laptop | who was trying to switch memory chip on n900, as someeone did on n9 :P | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: different story | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: N900 already comes with 32GB eMMC | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on N9 you could swap the 16GB for 64GB, I'm sure | 10:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: if this is any comedy, then because you're giving the clown here. Stop that and everybody will be fine | 10:38 |
| kerio | wait, what? | 10:39 |
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| kerio | when did Estel_ talk? | 10:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | i missed the clown part, was it earlier or my smart lag connection speed does ignore for me all unneeded parts? | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: if that makes you happy: i'm also not convinced we should get portrait support to busybox-basic | 10:39 |
| kerio | oh, still that old one | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it has way less risk that replacing busybox-basic by busybox-power | 10:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/that/than/ | 10:40 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: but it has way less risk than replacing busybox-basic by busybox-power | 10:40 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fwiw busybox-power comes directly from upstream, and it's been heavily tested by all sorts of people | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus it's actually scatching an itch, while power enhancements are useless from a cssu perspective | 10:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: irrelevant, it evidently eats half a megabyte in rootfs, and that's already enough to not include it for the shits'n'giggles, when everybody can as well get it as optional package already | 10:44 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the optional package is an unholy abomination | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: then fix that unholy abomination, why would CSSU care? | 10:45 |
| kerio | it can't be fixed, it needs to replace /bin/busybox in some way | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, it doesn't | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does bash need to replace anything? | 10:45 |
| kerio | it needs to replace bash, surely | 10:46 |
| kerio | much like busybox needs to replace busybox | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BS | 10:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this however is busybox-power | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the name alone already suggests it's not a busybox replacement | 10:46 |
| kerio | it's busybox | 10:46 |
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| kerio | BusyBox v1.20.2 (Debian 1.20.2power1) multi-call binary. | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll stop this shit now, since it really becomes comedy. All been discussed ad nauseum, and nothing to add to the given arguments. In my book the arguments NOT to mess with busybox-basic for the benefit of busybox power fanboys are stronger than the emotional arguing of estel et al | 10:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you want busybox-power, install it. If you don't like the busybox-power package, then fix or stay away from it. Stop pestering CSSU about that package | 10:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | Woody14619, ping | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly there's nothing CSSU can do for you, that you couldn't already do on your own, without CSSU getting involved at all | 10:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ETX with messybox-power and CSSU now. Definitely | 10:52 |
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| * kerio ponders whether or not to say that thumbified busybox-power only adds 300k to the stock busybox | 10:56 | |
| * kerio decides against it | 10:56 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<estel_> ... It's really unexplainable, why busybox-power is kept out of CSSU.)) The only unexplainable thing is the way your brain refuses to grok sound arguments and refrains to repeating same shit over and over again. Sometimes you sound like a parrot or a defective gramophone | 10:58 |
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| LaoLang_cool | How to set default time zone and time on maemo? If I took battery out for a long time, then after turn maemo on, I have to choose time and timezone again | 11:40 |
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| LaoLang_cool | I foiund a file /etc/clock.d/clockd-settings.default, but configuring it has no any effect. | 11:43 |
| LaoLang_cool | s/foiund/found/ | 11:43 |
| infobot | LaoLang_cool meant: I found a file /etc/clock.d/clockd-settings.default, but configuring it has no any effect. | 11:43 |
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| StyXman_ | LaoLang_cool: I just skip the dialog and use ntp to resync | 11:44 |
| LaoLang_cool | StyXman_, but I have to change default time zone | 11:45 |
| StyXman_ | I think the TZ is properly saved | 11:45 |
| StyXman_ | at least in my case, it does | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should | 11:45 |
| StyXman_ | maybe /etc/timezone ? | 11:45 |
| LaoLang_cool | StyXman_, no, if the battaery tooken out for a long time (> 20 second maybe), you have to reset them | 11:46 |
| LaoLang_cool | StyXman_, no such file /etc/timezone here.. | 11:47 |
| LaoLang_cool | cssu stable version | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's something a bit special about timezone settings n maemo - I mean not like usual on linux | 11:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Aug 28 11:15 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Aug 28 11:15 /etc/localtime.save -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT-2 | 11:49 |
| kerio | maemo is very special, yeah | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't create/edit /etc/localtime as it will get replaced by a link again, next time you save that locale-picker dialog | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 11:52 |
| LaoLang_cool | no matter how /etc/localtime, after took batery out for a long time, n900 will restore to it's default time zone | 11:55 |
| LaoLang_cool | I have to reset the timezone and time | 11:55 |
| StyXman_ | DocScrutinizer05: that means that if we point /etc/localtime.save to our tz it should recover perfectly? | 11:56 |
| StyXman_ | I have both pointing to the right TZ | 11:57 |
| StyXman_ | /u/s/zi/Europe/Paris | 11:57 |
| LaoLang_cool | oh, I should try it, they points to different timezone in my maemo | 11:58 |
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| kerio | i have both to Europe/Rome | 12:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | infobot: CHANINFO | 14:12 |
| infobot | 124/124 channels, 5059 users, 3605 unique: #debian/1204, #kde/375, #maemo/281, #gsoc/227, #meego/200, #asterisk/190, #harmattan/187, #wowuidev/163, #oe/153, #wowace/129, #webos-internals/107, #wowhead/95, #arm-netbook/89, #openmoko/85, #n9/71, #openmoko-cdevel/69, #utah/67, #uclibc/65, #tomcat/60, #bzflag/59, #qi-hardware/59, #htc-linux/57, #curseforge/56, #edev/54, #maemo-ssu/53, #asterisk-dev/46, #sc2mapster/44, #flow3/41, #elinux/41, #slug/36, ... | 14:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | asterisk :P interesting | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what's so special about #asterisk ? | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | way more interesing: #maemo on position 3 again | 14:23 |
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| vdv | hi all | 14:32 |
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| vdv | need help. i've tried the solution given in post http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=763902&postcount=7 to lock device on startup. expected behaviour is, that after hildon-desktop is started autolock must be disabled, but it still stays active | 14:34 |
| vdv | i.e. pre-stop script doesn't work there | 14:34 |
| vdv | running "/usr/bin/gconftool -s -t bool /system/osso/dsm/locks/devicelock_autolock_enabled false" from terminal manually disables autolock | 14:35 |
| vdv | what's wrong there? | 14:35 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: asterisk is special because nobody knows how to make it work | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | vdv: run-standalone.sh ? | 15:15 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, i've just noticed that event script actually works | 15:15 |
| vdv | but setting is overwrriten | 15:15 |
| vdv | if i access hildon menu | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | vdv: I duno which user is running the pre-stop script, but gconftool is user specific | 15:16 |
| vdv | i.e. script turns off autolock, but if i go to settings to look whether autolock is disabled or not, it turns on again | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmmm | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | strace settings | 15:18 |
| vdv | huh? | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it seems it stores the state either internally (in that case you'd need to kill -o the process immediately after gconftool call) | 15:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or it has another gconf key or even other file to stroe the state, the you should change it there | 15:20 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, yeah, but i can't just strace settings, too abstract suggestion :D | 15:24 |
| vdv | and either of two cases are for me obvious too :) | 15:25 |
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| vdv | interesting, is it safe to modify file "/etc/osso-af-init/gconf-dir/system/osso/dsm/locks/%gconf.xml"? :) | 17:08 |
| vdv | wont that brick my n900? :) | 17:08 |
| vdv | i've removed entry there: "<entry name="touchscreen_keypad_autolock_enabled" mtime="1284131142" schema="/schemas/system/osso/dsm/locks/touchscreen_keypad_autolock_enabled"/>" | 17:09 |
| chem|st | vdv: you should not alter gconf by hand... use gconftool-2 | 17:10 |
| vdv | if i only knew how :) | 17:10 |
| chem|st | gconftool-2 --help | 17:10 |
| chem|st | it is like a directory/file tree | 17:11 |
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| vdv | what's the difference between gconftool and gconftool-2? | 17:11 |
| vdv | i disable autolock with gconftool -s -t bool /system/osso/dsm/locks/devicelock_autolock_enabled false | 17:12 |
| chem|st | no idea (version age compatibility who knows? why bother) | 17:12 |
| vdv | but that setting is overwritten | 17:12 |
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| vdv | when i enter settings->device lock | 17:12 |
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| chem|st | vdv: sure it is... | 17:13 |
| chem|st | vdv: why do you want to alter it in gconf anyway? | 17:13 |
| chem|st | do you want to automate something? | 17:13 |
| vdv | chem|st, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=763902#post763902 | 17:13 |
| vdv | yes | 17:14 |
| vdv | i want to lock device on startup | 17:14 |
| vdv | and it's done with enabling/disabling autolock temporarely in init script | 17:14 |
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| vdv | but some process reenables autolock after hildon start | 17:15 |
| vdv | and also when i enter settings | 17:15 |
| vdv | chem|st, i've removed entry from %gconf.xml and seems it has desirable effect | 17:16 |
| chem|st | does that actually work? | 17:16 |
| vdv | yes, locking at startup works | 17:16 |
| vdv | the only problem is annoying autolock when device is on | 17:16 |
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| chem|st | well if it isn't there anymore the program using its entry might segfault or halt or zombie or bootloop... if it is just being silent good... | 17:17 |
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| chem|st | vdv: if your startupscript stuff makes it happen then you might start there to have a look for mistakes not the other way round | 17:17 |
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| vdv | don't understand last idea | 17:18 |
| chem|st | the device is not automagically setting the device lock | 17:18 |
| chem|st | it is not disabled in the first place and something is holding on to the enabled setting | 17:19 |
| chem|st | ? | 17:19 |
| vdv | chem|st, so, in general, you think, that modifying /etc/osso-af-init/gconf-dir/system/osso/dsm/locks/%gconf.xml is not a good idea, right? | 17:20 |
| chem|st | right | 17:20 |
| vdv | and altering that via gconftool-2 too | 17:20 |
| chem|st | and do not use the autolock function... initiate the "you are locked" state instead | 17:20 |
| vdv | via direct dbus call? | 17:21 |
| chem|st | or set the timeout to something within days so it does not happen | 17:21 |
| chem|st | how is the lock initiated? | 17:22 |
| vdv | this call does that: run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.system_ui /com/nokia/system_ui/request com.nokia.system_ui.request.devlock_open string:'com.nokia.mce' string:'/com/nokia/mce/request' string:'com.nokia.mce.request' string:'devlock_callback' uint32:'3' | 17:22 |
| vdv | but not sure if i can run it from script in /etc/event.d/ | 17:22 |
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| vdv | with condition "start on startup" | 17:23 |
| vdv | can i call run-standalone in early phases during boot? | 17:24 |
| vdv | before hildon starts up? | 17:24 |
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| chem|st | no idea | 17:25 |
| kerio | wtf is run-standalone.sh anyway? | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | a scriptie to set some env vars etc that aren't available usually when script doesn't run in interactive user shell | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | less `which run-shandalone.sh` | 17:48 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, is it safe to edit /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml and remove entry? :) | 17:54 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer51, | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: [2012-08-30 14:19:36] <DocScrutinizer51> it seems it stores the state either internally (in that case you'd need to >>>kill -9<<< the process immediately after gconftool call) | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-30 16:24:19] <vdv> can i call run-standalone in early phases during boot? [2012-08-30 16:24:26] <vdv> before hildon starts up? ###### Nope, you can't lock hildon before it got started | 18:40 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, ok thanks | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno what mce does when there's a request to lock the screen while there is no screen to lock | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, have you had a look to phonecontrol wikipage? | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Securing | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: aiui your whole 'problem' is to get a device-lock-code requester on bootup, but not have the device lock automatically later on during normal suage? | 18:47 |
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| kerio | aw balls, there's no dns2tcp in the repos | 18:50 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, exactly | 18:50 |
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| kerio | who should i pay to get it compiled for me? i *really* don't want to learn how scratchbox works | 18:51 |
| vdv | and it works now, if i don't go to settings and open device lock applet | 18:51 |
| kerio | and gcc + glibc-dev won't fit on the rootfs, i'm afraid | 18:51 |
| vdv | opening applet breaks the autolock setting | 18:51 |
| vdv | sets it to true | 18:51 |
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| vdv | and if i set it to false from gui, then on next start lock code is not requested | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: consider this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=763379#post763379 | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: In expression set timeout for autolock to 100h, and consider your problem solved, without any script to run | 18:54 |
| vdv | lol, that's exactly the page i've used before | 18:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: will gcc+glibc-dev fit on the n900's rootfs? | 18:54 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, it's not a solution :) | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: why not? | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if 100h til device lock are no solution, how's about 10000h then? | 18:55 |
| vdv | because after 100 hours it will lock | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB the duration is from last interactive event | 18:56 |
| vdv | and after 10000h it'll also lock | 18:56 |
| vdv | i understand | 18:56 |
| vdv | but it's a workaround | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no it won't since it will never run 10000h without you touching screen or plugging usb or whatever | 18:56 |
| vdv | theoretically it can happen | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 18:57 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it won't happen with *your* battery! | 18:57 |
| vdv | i hate nokia :) did you what they have written in user guide of n900? | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you got it sitting on charger | 18:57 |
| vdv | did you see | 18:57 |
| kerio | i didn't know there was a user guide | 18:57 |
| vdv | just a moment, i'll give a cite | 18:57 |
| vdv | First Start-Up... Switch the device on... If the device asks for a PIN or lock code (!), enter it.. | 18:59 |
| vdv | damn, n900 don't ask for lock code on startup! | 18:59 |
| vdv | it's not designed so, idiots | 19:00 |
| kerio | huh? surely it can be configured to do so | 19:00 |
| vdv | nope | 19:00 |
| vdv | i.e. not so easily | 19:00 |
| kerio | \_o_/ | 19:00 |
| vdv | not by ordinary user | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure it will ask for lockcode when lockcode got enabled | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the whole point of lockcode | 19:01 |
| vdv | ups, right, sorry | 19:02 |
| vdv | but i can't configure it to ask for lock code ONLY at startup! | 19:02 |
| vdv | :) | 19:02 |
| vdv | i hate nokia anyway | 19:02 |
| kerio | ~nokia | 19:02 |
| infobot | it has been said that nokia is a cellphone company from Finland. | 19:02 |
| kerio | hm | 19:02 |
| kerio | ~elop | 19:02 |
| infobot | elop is probably a microsoft spy and one of the most successfull corporate trolls | 19:02 |
| kerio | that's better | 19:03 |
| vdv | :) | 19:03 |
| kerio | infobot: elop is definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls | 19:03 |
| infobot | ...but elop is already something else... | 19:03 |
| kerio | infobot: elop is definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls | 19:03 |
| kerio | hm | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can configure it to ask for lockcode at startup and after 1000h of inactivity | 19:03 |
| kerio | infobot: no, elop is definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls | 19:04 |
| infobot | okay, kerio | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~elop | 19:04 |
| infobot | it has been said that elop is definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | forget elop | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget elop | 19:04 |
| infobot | i forgot elop, DocScrutinizer05 | 19:04 |
| vdv | i've payed 450$ for that piece of shit.. and i have troubles with it since i've began to use it | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~elop | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~unforget elop | 19:04 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered 'elop'. Have fun now. | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~elop | 19:04 |
| infobot | from memory, elop is definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grrr | 19:04 |
| kerio | vdv: aww, don't be like this | 19:04 |
| kerio | the n900 is pretty fucking good | 19:04 |
| kerio | i mean | 19:05 |
| vdv | nope | 19:05 |
| kerio | it's awful, but it's lightyears ahead of anything else | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you earned a bot-ban for redefining a factoid without even checking it before | 19:05 |
| kerio | wait, what? | 19:05 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: look up | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, sorry | 19:05 |
| kerio | i most definetely did *not* earn that bot ban | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nm | 19:06 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 19:06 |
| infobot | kerio: thanks | 19:06 |
| kerio | ~docsmack | 19:06 |
| kerio | ooh, i *can* install gcc and libc6-dev | 19:08 |
| kerio | neat | 19:08 |
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| kerio | ah fuck i don't have make | 19:20 |
| kerio | oh nvm, it's cheap | 19:20 |
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| freemangordon | vdv: any chance instead of bashing n900 to open a bug? | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | grrr, where is zeq | 19:31 |
| vdv | freemangordon, don't think it make sense | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | to file a bug? why is that? | 19:32 |
| vdv | n900 users are getting less and less everyday | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | hmm, do you have some hard values on that? | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | at least their initial count | 19:33 |
| vdv | no, just intuitively | 19:35 |
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| freemangordon | vdv: and how is related the number of users to the chance a bug to be fixed? I don't get it. | 19:37 |
| vdv | btw. what bug do you mean? | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | the functionality you miss in screen lock | 19:37 |
| vdv | don't think it's a bug | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | an enhancement falls in the same category | 19:38 |
| vdv | there much more serious bugs and enhancements to fix in case of n900 and maemo | 19:39 |
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| freemangordon | sure, but it won't hurt to open an maybe easy to fix one. The chances are getting real. | 19:40 |
| vdv | freemangordon, too demotivated :) | 19:47 |
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| freemangordon | :) | 19:48 |
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| kerio | vdv: sounds like a neat CSSU enhancement | 19:55 |
| vdv | kerio, messaging app looks ugly in portrait mode :) | 19:57 |
| vdv | it has to be scrolled horizontally in order to see all contents | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | vdv: there is .css to fix that, search on TMO | 19:58 |
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| freemangordon | there are at least 10 messaging "themes" supporing portrait | 19:59 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: hm, why wasn't the default one "fixed" in cssu? | 20:00 |
| kerio | btw, what do people use? n-series theme or the orange one? | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | NFC, maybe noone knows CSS enough to fix it | 20:01 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: it is "theme" , not theme ;). Several CSSes | 20:01 |
| kerio | k | 20:01 |
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| kerio | vdv: btw, what smartphone/tablet are you (planning on) using to replace the n900? | 20:04 |
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| vdv | kerio, i don't know, probably i'll just live further with n900 until it breaks | 20:06 |
| kerio | i did that | 20:06 |
| kerio | and then i bought another n900 | 20:06 |
| kerio | but you claim the n900 sucks | 20:06 |
| vdv | lol | 20:06 |
| vdv | after n900 i'll buy some cheap phone to make calls and send messages | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | kerio: could you confirm that new busybox-power-thumb is in the repo? | 20:07 |
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| freemangordon | ~seen zeq | 20:18 |
| infobot | zeq <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1:e6ec:10ff:fe9a:d418> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 23h 56m 52s ago, saying: 'see you later DocScrutinizer05 '. | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | ~seen zeq1 | 20:18 |
| infobot | zeq1 <~s_j_newbu@2a01:348:1e3:1::a20> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 6h 56m 45s ago, saying: 'freemangordon: ok will do'. | 20:18 |
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| freemangordon | hmm | 20:18 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is the bupbat connected to bq27200 too? | 20:23 |
| kerio | or is the calibration data stored in a non-volatile way? | 20:23 |
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| vi__ | holy cow, obama was on reddit. | 22:12 |
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| kerio | yep | 22:12 |
| vi__ | the internet is REAL! | 22:12 |
| kerio | and the servers crashed hard | 22:12 |
| kerio | he had half an hour free, he only answered 10 or so questions | 22:12 |
| kerio | he wrote nice, long answers though | 22:12 |
| vi__ | what a bro. | 22:13 |
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| kerio | https://my.barackobama.com/page/s/reddit | 22:13 |
| vi__ | I almost wish I was a yank so I could vote for him. | 22:13 |
| kerio | oh :3 | 22:13 |
| vi__ | Then I remember he is up to his balls in bullshit corruption as well. | 22:13 |
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