IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-08-29

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sambo7if I read /proc/cpuinfo I get this00:00
sambo7Hardware        : Nokia RX-51 board Revision        : 2101 Serial          : 000000000000000000:00
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sambo7maybe some of you can check if this matches the hw rev you get when you look at /proc/component_version00:03
jacekowskithat's probably in rom00:04
jacekowskibut yeah, that's the hw revision00:04
vi__how TF did you hose your CAL?00:04
jacekowskibut i'm just testing stuff in qemu00:04
vi__ffs, another one?00:05
jacekowskiit's the same one00:05
jacekowskiand i'm starting to think that nolo can write cal00:05
jacekowskidead cal00:05
jacekowskivia flasher00:05
jacekowskii thought that nolo could write cal and everything00:05
jacekowskibut after you managed to recover your n900 it looks more like it can write dead cal as well00:06
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sambo7can I use cal from another device and write it to my device?if yes,how?with nandwrite?libcal?00:09
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sambo7I'm still waiting for my N900 that I got on ebay from I could take a look at a "hopefully" working device and compare one with each other00:14
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sambo7vI_are you talking to me?I guess I already did that-> flasher-3.5 -h RX-51:2101 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin -c -S usb -f00:29
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jacekowskisambo7: you can even do dd if=/dev/mtdX00:33
jacekowskisambo7: to back it up on one device00:33
jacekowskisambo7: and similiar on the other to write00:33
DocScrutinizer51not id there are bad plaocks00:34
DocScrutinizer51blocks* damn00:34
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DocScrutinizer51btw main difference between hw revs might be organization of NAND00:35
sambo7it did nanddump to back it up...does it do the same as dd?00:35
sambo7at least for mtd00:35
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Macer"patents" heh00:43
Macerthe patent system is totally screwed00:43
Macercompletely vague patents should be outlawed00:44
Macermy tf101 has "rounded corners"00:44
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SpeedEvilEverything has rounded corners.02:21
SpeedEvilAtoms are not rectiliniar.02:21
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* ShadowJK saw an iphone today03:12
ShadowJKit looks like an N810, except flattened, and sealed shut with brushed metal03:13
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TiagoTiagoi know this is kinda offtopic, but it's just a quick question: Does anyone know if there is a forum for Samsung's Galaxy Note like how TMO is for the N900?05:29
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no joy with BCI driver, too many missing pieces. I might want to write/backport a driver for backup battery only, but I'd rather wait you to play a bit with i2ctools first :)09:06
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LaoLang_coolHow do you do audio recording on maemo from cli?10:02
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gtk_is_ithello world10:23
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DocScrutinizer05LaoLang_cool: basically with arecord or the PA similar prog (forgot the name) - the big hurting problem though are PA policies, since those conflict with stuff like amixer, to set up recording source path. Maybe Pali can help. Also javispedro might know details how this crap works10:32
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DocScrutinizer05LaoLang_cool: reading source of "recall" might also reveal some details how that app does special path setup10:34
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LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer05, thank you for advice, I know how to use ffmpeg to take n900's screen recording, maybe it can do similar work too, I will be learning for that10:34
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sambo7nandtester here-good morning...whatever cal-tool option I enter,I get a CAL ERROR: invalid header magic at least for all the get options-didn't check the set option,cause don't know what I could set here11:05
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DocScrutinizer05told you CAL is structured... not yours though anymore11:15
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keriosambo7: didn't you say you had another n900?11:17
keriouse that11:17
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keriohm, how does CAL handle bad blocks?11:19
jacekowskii don't think it does11:20
jacekowskibut cal is CoW11:20
kerio~wtf CoW11:21
infobotGee...  I don't know what CoW means...11:21
sambo7still waiting for the second N90011:22
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kerioi just discovered that my n900 is a british one11:23
kerioand the wlan region is fcc/us11:23
keriothe wifi region is definetely set to EU though11:24
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DocScrutinizer05eheh, wifi vs wlan region?11:24
keriobut i flashed Global on it11:25
jacekowskisambo7: does your fmtxd work?11:25
sambo7can I copy a working CAL to my device?with nandwrite or cal-tool?11:25
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sambo7jacekowski-what is fmtxd?11:29
jacekowskifm transmitter daemon11:29
jacekowskijust check if your fm transmitter works11:30
sambo7how can I check that?11:30
jacekowskiiirc it's in settings11:30
jacekowskicheck if you can enable it11:30
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sambo7can#T find anything like that in setting--what about the fmtxd command in cli?11:34
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jacekowskifmtxd-client i believe11:35
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sambo7I get : ERREOR: unable to set FmTx state...maybe because no freq configured11:37
kerioi bet the modified fmtxd would work :D11:38
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sambo7maybe can post his current settings...I get my settings when I try to dis/enable it-but it's all 011:39
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sambo7my settings right now are: version=1 frequency=0 freq_min=0 freq_max=0 freq_steps=100 state=n/a rds_ps=Nokia rds_text=11:43
sambo7maybe I can enable it with proper freq settings11:44
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DocScrutinizer51hey nandtester, you actually could wget the CAL image from and dd it to /dev/mtd1. couldn't make things any worse13:37
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kerioDocScrutinizer51: you're lying, it totally could :D13:40
kerioalso no, you're not supposed to dd with mtds13:41
sambo7could try that later at home...right now, can't do better keep away from dd'ing mtds?13:47
kerioyou're supposed to use nandwrite13:47
keriothere's mtdblk*, but that's sillier13:47
kerioi don't think dd works with raw mtd devices13:47
sambo7nadwrite might do the trick13:48
sambo7usage: nandwrite [OPTION] MTD_DEVICE [INPUTFILE|-] ... writes to the specific MTD says13:49
kerioyeah, nandwrite is the one to use13:49
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kerioDocScrutinizer51: what's n9_goes_spooky.mp4?13:51
sambo7I guess I don't have any other choice that checking that out13:53
keriosambo7: hey, at least you've got *something* working now13:53
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keriosambo7: btw, is it out of warranty?13:53
sambo7maybe somebody who does have a hw rev 2101 could sned me a copy of his mtd1/CAL image13:54
keriosambo7: which region is your n900?13:54
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sambo7it's out of warranty14:06
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westwallpomahw rev 2204 here, I'm afraid.14:31
DocScrutinzrWrksambo7: there's  and (seems they are identical :-D )  Both hw2101 iirc14:31
DocScrutinzrWrkkerio: what the name says - a video when N9 acts on phantom input14:32
DocScrutinzrWrkprobably touchscreen gone mad14:32
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freemangordonDocScrutinzrWrk: did you see my comment re BCI?14:46
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westwallpomaBEFORE you close a web page make sure you scroll up to the top, so it’s in the right position for the next person.14:49
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DocScrutinzrWrkfreemangordon: you hoping for me using i2ctools? yep, seen that14:58
DocScrutinzrWrkalas accessing twl4030 isn't exactly trivial14:58
DocScrutinzrWrksome registers are are locked14:59
kerioyeah but the bupbat-related stuff has to be unlocked15:03
keriothe charging has to be software-controlled15:03
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DocScrutinizer51kerio: what makes you think bupbat charging should be done under sw control?15:25
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kerioisn't that the whole problem?15:25
DocScrutinizer51nope, not even verified there's any problem at all15:26
DocScrutinizer51in soft/firmware15:26
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: backup battery charging should be enabled in SW16:29
jacekowskii thought that backup battery problem is that the battery is not of the best quality16:30
freemangordonI was hoping if you can verify whether it is enabled or not (by using i2ctools). Kernel for sure does not enable it, as the driver is disabled16:30
jacekowskiand well, to be honest i've never seen a phone that would really need that battery to last more than few minutes16:30
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freemangordonjacekowski: yeah, but it lasts 3-4 seconds at best :D16:30
jacekowskiwell, that would indicate that it's being charged16:31
freemangordonjacekowski: not necessary, there are capacitors all over the place16:31
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jacekowskiyeah, but rtc is supplied from that battery only16:32
jacekowskiand it has to see voltage on it to operate16:32
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freemangordonno, RTC is supplied from primary or backup depending on voltage, when main battery voltage drops under 3.2 V then backup battery is used16:33
freemangordonor was it 2.816:33
freemangordonanyway, I suspect noone enable backup battery charging, if DocScrutinizer51 says it is hard to use i2ctools, I will write a simple driver to read status/charging/voltage regs16:35
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jacekowskiThe VRRTC line is16:42
jacekowskisupplied by the VRRTC LDO when VBAT > 2.7 V, and by the VBRTC circuit when in backup mode (16:42
jacekowskibut thing is, that's 3.3V battery16:42
jacekowskii don't think there are 3.3V rechargeable batteries16:43
jacekowskiso it may be a primary cell16:44
jacekowskithat's why it's not charging16:44
sambo7anybody with hw rev 2101/Region Brtitain who can share his CAL/mtd1 with me so that I can check out nandwriting to my device...16:46
jacekowskinot me16:47
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DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: it's only hard to figure which values to write to which registers16:49
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: nope, this is a special backup LiIon rechargable cell16:51
DocScrutinizer51with rather weird voltage16:51
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: I only need to know it backup charging bit is set (i.e. if charging is enabled), to confirm/not bad batteries hypothesis16:57
freemangordonbut maybe it will be easier for me to write the driver16:57
freemangordoni'll try to do it when I'm back home16:57
DocScrutinizer51it should be most easy to search fir register/bit name in mxr16:59
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: I can reuse the code from existing BCI driver, striping the part for charger/main battery/usb16:59
freemangordonleaving only support for backup battery17:00
DocScrutinizer51funny I teach you about kernel source ;-)17:01
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: I am unable to parse :)17:01
freemangordonaah, ok, I think I got it17:03
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freemangordonyeah, yeah. the problem is that BCI driver is platform, not standalone driver, so I think it will be hard to find the exact needed values17:04
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teotwakikerio: MWHUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA17:04
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: lemme start my SDK, it will be much easier for me17:05
kerioteotwaki: it's only on slashdot because that dude used bitcoins instead of dollars17:05
teotwakikerio: dude, is your nickname on slashdot "slim"?17:06
keriooh, the post with score:4 informative17:07
DocScrutinzrWrkfreemangordon: what's the name of the register you're interetsed in?17:08
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freemangordonone of these should do the job17:10
DocScrutinzrWrkmeh, that's not what I asked17:12
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freemangordonDocScrutinzrWrk: leave that, I will write a driver, it should be a piece of cake to reuse that code17:16
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DocScrutinzrWrkyeah, reuse the bugs in it17:21
freemangordonI will read/write 2 registers, what bugs17:23
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DocScrutinzrWrknah, it's just obfuscated, but it seems 0x10 should be safe17:25
DocScrutinzrWrkenabled, 2.5V, 25uA17:25
DocScrutinzrWrkinsane to pack all that into one #define named BBCGEN17:26
DocScrutinzrWrkBBCHEN actually17:26
freemangordondid you read that from the chip, you are just parsing the define?17:27
DocScrutinzrWrkparse #define17:27
freemangordonaah, ok17:27
freemangordonwell, i am going home, will try to have something working in 1-2 hours, bbl17:28
DocScrutinzrWrkreading from chip might be straight forward, once you know bus and real addr17:28
freemangordonyeah, that is why I want to reuse the code17:28
freemangordonas it uses twl4030-code17:28
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DocScrutinzrWrkthe real problem is i2cbus/chip-addr occupied by twl4030 driver17:37
DocScrutinzrWrkso no dice with i2cget17:38
DocScrutinzrWrkprobably should use fsckdup pk47 without that locking17:38
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DocScrutinzrWrkor was it pk48?17:39
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DocScrutinzrWrkuBoot anybody?17:53
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DocScrutinzrWrknm, aiui *our* uBoot has no console?17:53
freemangordonDocScrutinzrWrk: gimme some time, I will do it in proper way17:53
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DocScrutinzrWrkfreemangordon: prober way: get a sysnode for twl4030".ko", to send chipaddr[0x48..0x4b?]:register tuples in plain text, and read value. Or send chipaddr[0x48..0x4b?]:register = <value>, to write to register17:56
* DocScrutinzrWrk idly wonders if such sysnode already exists17:56
freemangordonI think pali mentioned something about that, lemme check17:57
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DocScrutinzrWrkappreciated, no ssh here at work17:57
freemangordonor was it for bq charger?17:57
DocScrutinzrWrk(pita to do real work on N900 on device shell17:57
DocScrutinzrWrkbq yes17:58
DocScrutinzrWrkI suggested it, he did it17:58
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freemangordonyeah, no joy for twl17:58
freemangordonanyway, I am starting to tweak existing BCI driver17:58
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DocScrutinzrWrkwell, if you wanna do something of persistent value, then get same ting for twl17:59
freemangordonnot now :)17:59
freemangordonbtw if it turns out that backup battery is not charged, there will be value in what I will do17:59
DocScrutinzrWrkbut the right way is to first check value already there (read reg), then *test* writing reg to enable18:00
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freemangordonORLY? :P18:01
freemangordonthe firs thing to do is to read that value and the voltage and to printk them ;)18:01
DocScrutinzrWrkrather copy those few silly lines for sysfs interface, rather than hardcoding the values for that call18:01
DocScrutinzrWrkyou could as well replace printk by proper sysfs_put18:02
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freemangordonI will do that for sure if it turns out a backup battery drive is needed18:03
freemangordonanywa, lets do the job18:03
DocScrutinzrWrkmeh, it has use for all registers of twl18:03
DocScrutinzrWrkbtw WHEN do you read?18:03
freemangordonin a worker thread18:04
freemangordonok, the original driver does18:04
freemangordoni'll remove that18:04
DocScrutinzrWrkwouldn't you need to start that worker thread by any external event?18:04
freemangordonI hate polling more than you18:04
freemangordonit is started in twl4030_bci_battery_probe18:05
freemangordonand is really needed in case main battery is connected to BCI18:05
DocScrutinzrWrkI just mean with sysfs you got a proper *interactive* way to do whatever you want, whenever you want18:05
freemangordonI know18:06
freemangordonbut I won't do that now, a few printks will do the perfect jon initially18:06
DocScrutinzrWrkyou might end up reading too early, and later on 'somebody else' in kernel sets the bit18:06
infobotfreemangordon meant: but I won't do that now, a few printks will do the perfect job initially18:06
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freemangordonDocScrutinzrWrk: no way, noone touches BCI18:07
DocScrutinzrWrkthat's what YOU tell18:07
DocScrutinzrWrkmaybe kernel calls NOLO on every resume from 0-clock and NOLO touches BCI18:08
freemangordoncould be18:08
freemangordonbut does not makes sense to enable charging then in the driver18:08
freemangordonand AIUI backup battery charger is unaffected of suspend/resume (on HW level)18:09
freemangordonyou need SW to do it18:09
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DocScrutinzrWrkactually read my initial post on the issue. Might happen on $forgot to get reset18:09
freemangordonwell, let me finish with reading first18:10
DocScrutinzrWrkso an initial singulary readout will tell little to nuttin18:10
freemangordonwill see18:10
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DocScrutinzrWrksome event regardig state change of TWL FSE been mentioned to reset the BBCHEN18:12
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DocScrutinzrWrkbienvenido bugmaster andre__18:13
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DocScrutinzrWrkandre__: can you still check NB?18:14
andre__DocScrutinizer05, nope18:14
DocScrutinzrWrka pity18:14
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andre__out of curiosity, what would you like to know?18:15
DocScrutinzrWrkif there's any bug against backup battery known18:15
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DocScrutinzrWrkbuzzword "realtime clock  reset"18:16
andre__oh, okay. no idea then18:17
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DocScrutinzrWrkor rather "cmos clock"18:17
andre__I asked because I might still have bugmail backups somewhere, but if there's no corresponding ticket in that's unlikely18:17
Spark25xhey guys18:17
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DocScrutinzrWrkhmm, I dunno if there's a ticket against it inbmo18:18
Spark25xi installed nitroid,and run it but it hangs at making ext3 partition step..its this the normal behaviour?18:18
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sambo7first nanddumping a CAL and then restoring the CAL with nandwrite is the way to go,isn't it? first I need to get a CAL from somebody with hw rev 2101/region Britain...will post in the maemo-forum18:22
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jacekowskisambo7: not really18:23
jacekowskisambo7: you can probably use any n90018:23
jacekowskisambo7: differences won't be major18:23
sambo7so could some of you send me a backup of his cal?18:25
kerionobody would, really18:25
kerioCAL holds the imei18:25
kerioi think18:26
jacekowskisambo7: *#06#18:26
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freemangordonmac addresses too18:26
keriosambo7: you said that phone works, right?18:26
jacekowskisambo7: does it show your imei18:26
keriotry what jacekowski said18:26
jacekowskiit looks like it's just a copy of imei18:26
sambo7my imei works18:26
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kerioi wonder if it's possible to *take* that part of CAL from rapuyama18:27
sambo7but I can't install various packages because they seem to check hw-rev which doesn't exist on my device18:27
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keriosambo7: grab DocScrutinizer's CAL18:27
jacekowskiit's kinda weird18:28
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jacekowskibecause you have stuff in cal that stuff relies on18:28
jacekowskiyet everything is in other places of the phone18:28
jacekowskiwhere it's stored in much safer way18:28
kerioso... "fukken nokia", as usual?18:28
jacekowskii'm just wondering if "reformating" cal would make something rewrite it all18:28
keriosambo7: what does osso-product-info say?18:29
jacekowskibecause cal is all messed up, so anything using libcal will fail18:29
jacekowskibut if you were to just create basic valid cal structures18:29
keriojacekowski: where are wlan and bt mac addresses stored?18:29
kerioapart from CAL and the box the n900 came in?18:30
sambo7for example if I connect remotely via ssh it works but I get a CAL error18:30
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jacekowskikerio: it looks like in wlan module18:30
DocScrutinzrWrksambo7: I get slightly tired of you ignoring my dozens of pomnters to my cal image on
jacekowskisambo7: you have wlan mac?18:30
keriosambo7: type "ifconfig" and check if wlan0's hwaddr matches the one on your box18:30
jacekowskikerio: iirc he said it does18:31
keriothen wtf18:31
sambo7@DocScrutinzrWrk> sorry for that- will check that one out18:31
jacekowskikerio: i've had a look at this shit, some time ago, and it kinda looked like there are two types of cal18:31
keriosambo7: btw, you can just type the first letters of the nick and then press tab :)18:31
jacekowskikerio: the one he mtdtested18:31
jacekowskikerio: and something else accessed by nolo18:31
jacekowskikerio: because it was looking for stuff that i've never seen in normal cal18:32
jacekowskibut now i don't have n900 so it's kinda hard to test stuff18:32
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sambo7osso-product-info gives me a lot of errors...just hardware,name & full name is shown18:33
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sambo7don't have a box for the it on ebay18:35
keriohm, how can you recover your bt mac address then?18:35
sambo7Imei & wifi-mac is ok & also shown in product info18:36
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sambo7how can I try to recover bt mac?18:36
jacekowskiuse random one18:36
jacekowskinobody gives a fuck about those18:36
DocScrutinzrWrkfreemangordon: BBISEL=0b00 = 25uA is insanely low. Better should be 01, 10, or even 1118:37
keriosambo7: technically it should be in every paired device18:37
keriobut yeah, nobody gives a shit about bt mac addresses18:37
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jacekowskiDocScrutinzrWrk: well, it only has to make it hold charge18:39
sambo7what is the vendor part of the bt mac for the N900?at least this should match,shouldn't it?18:39
jacekowskisambo7: bt and wlan are on same module i believe18:39
keriosambo7: nah, nobody cares about that :)18:39
jacekowskior it was bt and fmtx18:40
keriobt and fmrx18:40
keriobt and wlan use the same antenna18:40
sambo7when I'm back home from sports, I will try to import Doc's CAL...18:42
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DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: nope18:43
DocScrutinizer51it has to *charge* it18:44
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DocScrutinizer51and actually 25uA might be too little to even keep charge18:46
DocScrutinizer51so probably that's already the bug, if there's any18:47
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DocScrutinizer51I'd guess NOLO sets BBCFG register. That would explain why kernel doesn't touch it18:53
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: yep, seems so, BBCFG == 0x1c and VBBAT ~= 3126 mV.19:08
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DocScrutinzrWrkfreemangordon: 0x1c is BAD(TM)19:11
freemangordonsorry, it is 1b19:12
freemangordonmy bad19:12
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DocScrutinzrWrkso 1011, BBISEL=11=1mA19:14
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DocScrutinzrWrkno real problem with all that then :-)19:16
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freemangordonDocScrutinzrWrk: :nod:19:19
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DocScrutinzrWrkLOL WTF?!
kerioDocScrutinzrWrk: i don't get it19:28
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DocScrutinzrWrkkerio: realy *clever* calculation of battery capacity "percentage" from voltage ranges19:30
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ShadowJKthose thresholds look very bme-ish :)19:30
DocScrutinzrWrkluckily it's not used (bme probably does worse though)19:30
ShadowJKas in using 4 significant digits for voltage when doing some rough approximations19:31
DocScrutinzrWrkand those funny steps in percentage ;-P19:31
keriooh wow19:31
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DocScrutinzrWrk2, 20, 50, 75, 9019:31
DocScrutinzrWrkerr 519:32
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ShadowJKit's a reasonable strategy when there's no fuel gauging available19:33
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DocScrutinzrWrkactually makes me puke: else if ((di->voltage_uV < 3451 && di->voltage_uV > 2894)  ------  better like that: else if ((2894 < di->voltage_uV && di->voltage_uV < 3451)19:35
keriothat's why python is awesome :D19:36
DocScrutinzrWrkwhat that got to do with python?19:36
kerioelif 2894 < di.voltage_uV < 3451:19:36
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DocScrutinzrWrkwho's been worrying about complexity and coefficients for thermistor normalization?  look -->
DocScrutinzrWrkno 5th order polynomial19:44
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DocScrutinzrWrkfreemangordon: ^^^^19:55
kerioso... why isn't that driver in the actual kernel?19:56
DocScrutinzrWrkbecause we don't need to touch that stuff from kernel, NOLO deals with it19:56
kerioi see19:56
DocScrutinzrWrkarguable rationale, but MEH19:57
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DocScrutinizer51resp BME20:05
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DocScrutinizer51actually NOLO deals with bupbat charging, BME with amin bat management. It seems Nokia has a panic regarding community touching *anything* battery related20:08
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DocScrutinizer51mooo GeneralAntilles20:08
DocScrutinizer51never again tell me work is useless! we checked bupbat situation today, since I'm bored to death on my last 16h at this job20:09
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DocScrutinzrWrkhey, I could try to find a 500uF tantalum capacitor here :-D20:13
DocScrutinzrWrk...or better not. Feels strange to lift things when you leave...20:14
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kerioDocScrutinzrWrk: to be fair, batteries are srs bsns20:20
freemangordonDocScrutinzrWrk: is it the same sensor?20:23
freemangordonthe thermistor that is ;)20:24
* ShadowJK is more srs than bme20:24
keriono one is more srs than bme20:25
kerio <- incredibly srs20:25
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DocScrutinzrWrkfreemangordon: same type anyway20:32
DocScrutinzrWrkthere are only 2 possible thermistors: the BSI one which actually isn't a thermistor usually, and the real battery temp sensor20:32
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infobotrumour has it, bupbat is, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months20:36
DocScrutinzrWrkMMPFFFFFFF!   3kF capacitor20:40
DocScrutinzrWrk5kF dafaq20:42
DocScrutinzrWrkonly 600EUR20:43
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DocScrutinizer51not entirely insane for a 10000Ws 'battery' with infinite cycle endurance21:20
kerioa what21:20
kerioalso, it's not really infinite, is it21:20
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DocScrutinizer51well it for sure dances on grave of 20 or more BL-5J21:22
DocScrutinizer51a lot more21:22
DocScrutinizer51from that POV it's cheap21:22
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DocScrutinizer515000As/V * (2.5V - 1.5V) * ((2.5V + 1.5V)/2) =10000Ws =~2.5Wh21:27
keriohow many BL-5Js would that be?21:31
DocScrutinizer05around one21:32
DocScrutinizer05more liek 0.521:32
DocScrutinizer05allegedly has 4.9Wh (says print)21:33
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DocScrutinizer05but this capacitor charges in minutes, not hours21:33
vi__onboard battery swap?21:33
kerioDocScrutinizer05: not with the usb wallcharger21:34
DocScrutinizer05kerio: rrrrrright21:34
DocScrutinizer05vi__: that's where I came from21:34
DocScrutinizer05looked for a supercap with 5mm diameter21:34
kerioDocScrutinizer05: no... that would be your mother! (cit.)21:35
vi__you can get a 5.5v 1F from ebay.21:35
kerio(re: "that's where i came from")21:35
vi__really small.21:35
DocScrutinizer052mm high21:36
vi__5mm is quite small.21:36
vi__why is it I feel bad about hitting a squirrel with my car but not so much when an unemployed welfare scrounger gets hit by a bus?21:41
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DocScrutinizer05because it's not been you who hit it21:41
keriobecause you've been brainwashed by your media into thinking that "welfare scroungers" are evil?21:41
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vi__they are.21:42
vi__I pay a fuckton of tax so they can do nothing.21:42
DocScrutinizer05nah, *I* am evil!21:42
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, they aren't allowed to work - not to mention some good job that's maybe even fun - and they can do nothing about it21:45
DocScrutinizer05and it's been so long they even forgot how to do some fun work, even if they could find some now21:46
DocScrutinizer05I'm so evil I do things for free, like e.g moderating this IRC chan - sth somebody should pay for definitely21:48
DocScrutinizer05or maybe you would like to pay me for stopping this moderation task? ;-P21:52
DocScrutinizer05I bet there are some users who think21:53
DocScrutinizer05*I* should pay for that21:53
kerioi'll pay negative dollars for you to keep moderating this channel21:54
DocScrutinizer05isn't that exactly what I just said? XP21:54
keriono, no, *i* will pay those21:54
keriothat is, i'll be given money21:54
keriobut just me21:54
kerionot the whole channel21:54
kerioand not necessarily from you21:54
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, I'm probably going to order 20 PAS414-VA5R22:03
DocScrutinizer05might send them out in qty:1 to those interested22:03
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ^^^22:04
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: ^^^22:04
DocScrutinizer05who else?22:04
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DocScrutinizer05unit price incl packaging: 3EUR, +shipping (in europe 55ct afaik, standard letter)22:08
DocScrutinizer05meh, in Europe free shipping :-)22:09
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DocScrutinizer05free shipping worldwide (standard letter) \o/22:12
DocScrutinizer05vi__: swap bupbat?22:17
kerioDocScrutinizer05: which bupbat is this?22:17
DocScrutinizer05the internal battery22:18
keriois this replacement a good one?22:18
DocScrutinizer05yep, it's capacitive22:18
DocScrutinizer05good for an hour without main battery (minimum) and I hope for several decades rather than 12 months22:18
keriowell, the bupbat in this n900 is still fine22:19
DocScrutinizer05you're a really lucky man22:19
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kerioi bought it barely used three months ago22:19
DocScrutinizer05odds are like 15 to 122:20
DocScrutinizer05against such luck22:20
kerioit's a 210422:20
keriomaybe they chose better batteries?22:20
DocScrutinizer05quite possible22:20
kerioand maybe they put better usb ports?22:20
DocScrutinizer05or simply later build22:20
keriowith better soldering?22:20
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keriohm, i wonder if there's a way to know *when* it's been manufactured22:21
DocScrutinizer05but suspicions are the soldering kills those LiIon bupbat22:21
DocScrutinizer05errrr, probably not22:21
DocScrutinizer05unless there's maybe some datecode on a sticker22:22
DocScrutinizer05nothing obvious22:23
keriowait, soldering kills bupbats? :o22:23
DocScrutinizer05wrong reflow profile22:24
keriothe heat?22:24
kerioisn't the usb port far from the bupbat?22:26
keriowait, which soldering are we talking about?22:26
DocScrutinizer05any soldering to bupbat22:27
DocScrutinizer05so basically: manufacturing22:27
keriowhy haven't they used a capacitor?22:28
DocScrutinizer05we had issues with bupbat dead in fab tests, when our reflow profile was slightly "detuned", at OM22:28
DocScrutinizer05well, seems those LiIon bupbat were the state of the art 4 years ago22:29
DocScrutinizer05and has - like - 10 times to 500 times the capacity of the capacitive types with same form factor22:30
DocScrutinizer05only as long as it lasts though ;-p22:30
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DocScrutinizer05ok, I did a small mistake regarding power consumption in backup mode: it's only 2.25uA, not 2022:47
DocScrutinizer05so the backup time with a normal BP-5J was ~70 years, not 7.5 years like I thought22:48
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DocScrutinizer05and a PAS414-VA5R is good for at least 10h without main bat, not 1h22:48
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DocScrutinizer054.4 Power Consumption   Table 4-22. Power Consumption22:51
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DocScrutinizer05anyway if you want a spare new backup battery, send 3EUR to my paypal (see my siganture on tmo), with your full addr in comment, newlines marked a \n22:54
DocScrutinizer05if you want more than one, send multiples of 3EUR22:54
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DocScrutinizer05shipping is via international standard letter22:55
SpeedEvilhmm. is 70y life for my n900 enough, or do I hope medicine will advance enough for me to need 140...22:55
DocScrutinizer0570 years? would you swap the bupbat for a BL-5J? ;-D22:56
SpeedEviloh . misread22:56
DocScrutinizer05or maybe PLEASE WAIT with paypal money transfer until I actually managed to get that order done with farnell23:04
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, I will order by myself when I decide to change mine. So far there is no need, as I remove battery once in a 3 or so months. KP after all :P23:06
freemangordonMy company buys things from farnell every day, I won;t have any problem to order a capacitor23:08
DocScrutinizer05does Farnell better conditions regarding shipping cost etc, for you?23:08
DocScrutinizer05so may you can get one for me then?23:08
DocScrutinizer05or 5 rather23:08
freemangordonwell, I can ask my coleagues tomorrow23:08
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freemangordonok, what about shipping?23:11
DocScrutinizer05dafaq should work23:13
freemangordonBTW are you sure those will fit?23:14
DocScrutinizer05shipping: like 5* 1g, tape them on a carton and place that carton in a standard envelope23:14
DocScrutinizer05(fit) rather23:14
freemangordonwtf? "Our websites are currently unavailable whilst we perform a scheduled system upgrade. "23:14
DocScrutinizer05yeah, same here23:14
DocScrutinizer05worked 30min ago23:15
DocScrutinizer05well, I found my farnel account credentials23:19
DocScrutinizer05so if you don't like the hassle getting those and sending them to me, no problem23:20
freemangordonok, anyway i will check tomoeeow23:20
DocScrutinizer05though I' d appreciate much to join the boat of your shipping costs23:20
DocScrutinizer05farnell takes like 10EUR here23:20
DocScrutinizer05and I'm not even sure the account is still active23:21
freemangordonwell, I suspect there will be no shipping cost, as it will be a part of my company order23:21
freemangordonon the other hand, 10 eur is not that much23:22
DocScrutinizer05that's what i meant  :-)23:22
DocScrutinizer05yeah, sure.23:22
DocScrutinizer05but it sucks by principle to order 20 components a 75ct each, and see a bill ~30EUR23:23
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DocScrutinizer05otoh they wouldn't earn a donut if they'd do it any other way23:24
DocScrutinizer05so rather pay 75ct per component plus VAT plus 10EUr shipping, than pay 2.80EUR per component and 2EUR shipping23:25
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vi__who was a CA runner up?23:34
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freemangordonthe fuck, my cpu cooler had about 1 mm of dust on it, no wonder I had 3-4 unexpected reboots a day for the last week :D23:48
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DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: (does it fit?) I seem to remember I even compared footprint of bare PCB with the dimensions from datasheet23:58
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; not really interested in bupbatt, I need its services about once a year or more less :P23:58
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ShadowJK"more less", I think I fail23:59
DocScrutinizer51I'm nasically interested in fixing a bug23:59
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