IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-08-17

keriono, i said i'd pay 0.01 more than DocScrutinizer05 *paid*00:00
narcosDocScrutinizer: Yeah I wasn't too convinced on the HW - physically it looked intact00:00
kerioi'm waiting for him to pay00:00
narcosheh, k00:00
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DocScrutinizer05hahaha00:00
* narcos emails DocScrutinizer PayPal details00:00
DocScrutinizer05I never claimed *I* am honest. I just proved kerio isn't00:01
narcosNot sure where you guys live - but I get N900's for between ?70 and ?100 on eBay.00:01
Sicelowhat currency is that?00:01
narcosGreat British Pounds00:01
DocScrutinizer05sounds about right, for refurbished ones00:02
keriowoah, mojibake00:02
Siceloah.. weird that my N900 doesn't show those characters :/00:02
kerionarcos: lrn2utf800:02
kerio£ <- gbp00:02
narcosSicelo: You're hanging out on IRC via your N900?00:02
Sicelo£00:02
kerio? <- weird shit with broken encoding00:02
kerionarcos: sure, i do that all the time00:02
DocScrutinizer05Ü? = ?00:02
DocScrutinizer05err -Ü00:02
Sicelonarcos: yes. i'm on N900. irssi running on a remote shell00:03
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narcoskerio: You must have nimble fingers :)00:03
DocScrutinizer05who's not?00:03
narcosah right - I do screen + irssi too00:03
keriomeh, i prefer xchat00:03
DocScrutinizer51lol00:03
kerio(with a bouncer, obviously)00:03
DocScrutinizer51xchat FTW00:03
kerioDocScrutinizer51: lol00:03
narcosboucner, as in random proxy?00:03
* narcos uses xchat for quick chats, and irssii+screen for long term ;)00:04
DocScrutinizer51as in ZNC00:04
keriobouncer as in ZNC, yes :)00:04
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ctcp version gave it away?00:04
* Sicelo has xchat on the N900 too, but my connectivity sucks bad. shell is only way, i guess00:04
kerioweird, ctcp version apparently goes to my current client00:04
Siceloand i never liked znc :\00:04
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kerioznc is the shit00:04
DocScrutinizer51well, what's better?00:05
Siceloi guess on a 'crippled' free shell, where you have a limit to how many znc users you're allowed to have .. irssi wins00:05
kerioi'm using a friend's dual-core server00:06
Siceloif you have no limits, znc should be fine00:06
narcosD'damn at Jaws followed by Rock III. Epic night for background TV.00:07
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narcos*Rocky00:07
vi__freemangordon: ping?00:07
kerioSicelo: i just don't get why znc would be worse than irssi in that same situation00:07
narcosSicelo: ??? ??? ??? m??00:10
DocScrutinizer05kerio: znc is transparent to ctcp-version00:10
Siceloznc needs a separate user for each network you connect to so, if you have a limit to how many users you are allowed, that's automatically a limit to how many networks you can be on00:10
narcos(that joke took far too long to construct)00:10
kerioSicelo: oh, i see00:10
keriomeh, i'm only on freenode anyway00:10
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: oh?00:11
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Siceloi'm on 6 networks :P00:11
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: a znc user is a bunch of server addresses and a channel list00:11
DocScrutinizer05I'd think you easily could run 6 instances of ZNC under same user account, if not even znc itself can handle multiple networks now00:12
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kerioif you want to connect to multiple irc networks, you need multiple znc users00:12
GeneralAntillesNot with the latest versions.00:12
kerioyeah but he's talking about lame free irc bouncers on the internet that steal your password00:12
kerioGeneralAntilles: really? neat00:12
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Siceloyeah, new version is better00:12
keriomeh, i cba to recompile it00:13
kerioflood protection *is* neat though00:13
kerioit would allow me to start using stickychan again00:13
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narcosDo IRC bouncers support SSL?00:14
DocScrutinizer05yep00:14
kerionarcos: meh00:14
DocScrutinizer05znc at least does00:14
keriouse a ssh tunnel00:14
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DocScrutinizer05free irc bouncer? LOL00:15
narcosIRC bouncers stealing passwords - makes me think of ToR exit nodes running sslstrip and dsniff00:16
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DocScrutinizer05dafaq!!00:17
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DocScrutinizer05o.O00:18
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DocScrutinizer05now who ran a DoS against me?00:21
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Sicelopossibly narcos :P00:21
DocScrutinizer05weird00:22
narcosOi :P00:23
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* narcos uses his botnets for good.00:23
DocScrutinizer05how would that allow you to let freenode server silently drop my connection?00:24
narcosClear evidence it wasn't me.00:25
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DocScrutinizer05BY SERVICES?????????? DAFAQ!00:25
narcos:-|00:26
DocScrutinizer05free irc bouncer? LOL00:27
DocScrutinizer05hey, kerio got disconnected from his znc?00:28
DocScrutinizer05nox-: was that related to any other activity?00:29
nox-i still see him00:29
DocScrutinizer05[2012-08-16 23:27:32] [CTCP] CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von kerio empfangen: ZNC 0.206 - http://znc.in.00:29
DocScrutinizer05[2012-08-16 23:09:30] [CTCP] CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von kerio empfangen: X-Chat Aqua appstore-1.11.6-0-g0e7e6b7 (xchat 2.8.8-svn1511) Darwin 10.8.0 [i386/2.80GHz/SMP].00:30
nox-i have no idea...00:30
nox-about other activities00:30
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DocScrutinizer05anybody recalls what's the name of that services bot in here?00:34
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: ^^^00:34
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, the what now?00:35
DocScrutinizer05the spy bot of freenet that sits in several chans and monitors for e.g. crossposts00:36
GeneralAntillesOh, dunno.00:36
narcoshttp://freenode.net/utilities.shtml says "eir"00:36
DocScrutinizer05yeah00:36
DocScrutinizer05thanks00:36
DocScrutinizer05I'd pester #freenode staff if I wasn't that lazy00:38
narcosheh00:38
narcosAnyone have a Raspberry PI yet?00:39
narcosMine arrived last week - just finished writing Linux to an SD card. Time to tinker.00:39
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narcosDoes anyone plug their N900 into a Mac? OSX seems to create a new network interface for the usb connection each time. Very annoying.01:10
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narcosnarcos: lmgtfy01:11
narcos"By default, the N900 sets a random MAC address for the USB interface every time you reboot. This makes some operating systems (Mac OS X) detect a new device whenever you connect the N900 and ask you to configure the network interface."01:11
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freemangordonvi: pong01:33
ZogG_laptopslowpong01:34
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narcos00h18 - that point when TV adverts turn into "Call me for a seksi time"02:18
narcos(http://9gag.com/gag/1448501 sums my TV usage up)02:19
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narcosSo, wlan injection drivers02:50
narcosI've downloaded http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/02:51
narcosBut when I try load the drivers, I get this:02:51
narcosNokia-N900:~/wl1251-maemo# insmod compat.ko02:51
narcosinsmod: error inserting 'compat.ko': -1 Invalid module format02:51
narcosThat worked on my N900 that blew up earlier....02:51
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robbiethe1stMake sure your kernel is the right one for the module02:58
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narcosrobbiethe1st: Right you are03:04
narcosNeed to install the power-kernel03:06
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Twiner08/16 09:01PM twiner: I donno if level 3 would have to deal with that honestly04:06
Twinerwoops04:06
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ForABetterWorldhttp://www.garyjohnson2012.com/04:06
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narcosTo stay up until work starts, or catch a power nap...05:06
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narcosI'd like to launch a bash script on the N900 that required root06:28
narcosI'm trying this:06:28
narcososso-xterm -e "cd /foo/bar/ && sudo bash foo.sh"06:28
narcosBut I get a graphical error of "Application error"06:28
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narcosFrom a shell, if I enter the command "cd /foo/bar/ && sudo bash foo.sh" - it works06:29
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah, i disconnected from znc at that point10:24
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ZogG_laptopjacekowski: narcos as i ripped my usb off i want to test that — http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7275310:34
StyXmannarcos: why not «sudo bash /foo/bar/foo.sh»?10:37
StyXmannarcos: also: most probably tou can't use && without a shell interpreting it10:42
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DocScrutinizer05ZogG_laptop: could you please stop talking narcos into destroying his N900?11:08
DocScrutinizer05ZogG_laptop: what makes you think there's *any* hw-problem with narcos' device?11:08
keriodid he reflash yet?11:10
keriohmm... what writes to CAL, and why? that's the only "software" weak point i think11:11
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Sicelo^/win 2312:26
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ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: he said he had problems =)15:20
DocScrutinizer51I said: REFLASH!15:21
DocScrutinizer51how TF will disassembling N900 help to make a device do ENUM, that evidently detects D+-  short15:22
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ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: as he explained we felt usb syndrom15:47
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zeqfreemangordon: I've updat3d fennec again. If I get tome this evening I'm going to have a shot of getting input working properly.16:52
zeqI've spent the last couple of days rebuilding my OpenWRT router/domain server, kept me busy!16:53
ShadowJKunless it always detects d+/d-, that could be indicative of a molten usb port, if host port is proven functional.. but if device port has melted I'd imagine alot of other stuff woulf also not wotk? :D16:54
ShadowJKwould also not work*16:55
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sLumPiahave anybody encounter conversation bar bug?17:08
sLumPiahttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1155917:09
povbot_Bug 11559: Conversations App - Scrollbar Appeared, Touch Scrolling Does Not Work17:09
sLumPiaafter flashing, suddenly i get this annoying bug17:09
sLumPiapreviously my conversation working just fine17:10
sLumPiaremoving .mozilla doesn't help17:10
PalisLumPia, I had same problem17:11
Paliremoving .mozilla & rebooting solved it17:11
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Pali(I did it more times)17:12
sLumPiayep, i read your thread and follow your advice, doesnt work17:12
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sLumPia:(17:12
PalisLumPia, can you upload your syslog?17:13
Palimaybe there will be something interesting...17:13
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sLumPiaPali, where is it located? I have no syslog on /var/log17:14
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PalisLumPia: try to install package sysklogd or klogd17:15
Palimaemo does not have syslog installed by default17:16
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sLumPiaoops, my didnt know that17:17
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sLumPiad*mn, cant install anything because of broken deps17:21
sLumPiacan we tell apt to ignore broken dep?17:21
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Palisudo apt-get install -f17:32
Palithis should fix broken dep17:33
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DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: indeed17:38
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ShadowJKthe result from this sharpie looks a bit glossy :(17:40
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keriowhy do you hate blue17:51
kerioblue is a cool color17:51
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sLumPiaPali: Well installed nitdroid with multiboot. multiboot conflict with bootmenu (I also install backupmenu). that's why I have broken dep17:53
Paliyes multiboot and bootmenu both provides /bootmenu.sh so are in conflict17:55
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keriomultiboot is a piece of shit17:56
jon_ymultiboot writes to flash everyboot :|17:56
sLumPiakerio: is there anyway i can use bootmenu with nitdroid?17:57
kerioyou need uboot for that17:57
sLumPiaI like to play games with nitdroid17:57
kerioby the way, won't most games require a multitouch screen?17:58
sLumPiareally? dont know about that. never had experience with android17:59
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sLumPiaso uboot support nitdroid, backupmenu and normal maemo?18:00
sLumPiai though you said uboot not support nitdroid yet18:00
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Paliu-boot can boot any kernel image18:02
Paliit can boot maemo, meego/nemo, nitdroid18:02
Palibootmenu/backupmenu is only maemo shell script which is started from maemo init daemon18:03
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sLumPiahm...brb, got to read about u-boot18:04
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keriodid someone measure the power consumption of bluetooth in hidden mode with no connections?18:15
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Palikerio, some tests should be usefull :-)18:32
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DocScrutinizer51kerio: seems to be next to zero19:35
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DocScrutinizer51iirc19:35
DocScrutinizer51(did some tests)19:35
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louisdkHi :)19:40
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louisdkDoes anyone know how I get more home screens on an Nokia N900?19:41
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ivgalvezanyone knows the URL for testingsquad mailing list archive?19:59
ivgalvezforget it19:59
ivgalvezI found it19:59
sLumPiaPali: what is the correct content for item file for backupmenu? I have this line in backupmenu.item:20:06
sLumPiaITEM_NAME="BackupMenu (Internal flash)"20:06
sLumPiaITEM_ID="nand"20:06
sLumPiaITEM_LINUXRC="/usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenuLauncher.item"20:06
DocScrutinizer51louisdk: get CSSU20:06
DocScrutinizer51~cssu20:07
infobot[cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU20:07
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sLumPiabut it u-boot-update-bootmenu failed with this error:20:07
sLumPiaConfiguration file: /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item20:07
sLumPiaError: Invalid file - missing kernel or script file20:07
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DocScrutinizer51you're sure you're not terribly mixing up backupmenu and uBoot?20:09
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DocScrutinizer51it seems for some funny reasons their config files look similar by syntax. but these are 2 *completely* different programs/systems20:11
sLumPiaDocScrutinizer51: Do you mean mixing up bootmenu and u-boot?20:12
DocScrutinizer51yes20:12
sLumPiawell, it seems backupmenu depend on bootmenu. so i can't uninstall bootmenu20:13
DocScrutinizer51bootmenu and BM are siblings, uBoot is totally unrelated20:13
sLumPiaI'm trying to install kernel-cssu, backupmenu and nitdroid20:14
sLumPiabootmenu not supported nitdroid (afaik)20:15
DocScrutinizer51nonsense20:15
sLumPiaand Pali said u-boot support all three20:15
DocScrutinizer51nitdroid not supported by uboot20:15
DocScrutinizer51afk bbl20:16
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sLumPiaDocScrutinizer51: Pali said u-boot can boot nitdroid20:18
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keriosLumPia: bootmenu happens after uboot20:22
keriomultiboot is the one that sucks20:22
ivgalvezThere is support for bootmenu in Nitdroid20:23
kerioivgalvez: yeah but kexec is flaky, isn't it20:23
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ivgalvezthough you have to manually do some trickery20:23
keriosLumPia: uboot happens a lot before bootmenu20:23
ivgalvezsLumPia, the problem that you have with BackupMEnu is that you have installed an specific version modified to work with Multiboot20:24
ivgalvezthat's not the official one20:24
ivgalvezfirst you need to uninstall that version of backupmenu20:24
ivgalvezthen uninstall multiboot and install bootmenu20:24
ivgalvezwith uboot20:25
ivgalvezonce you have a working bootmenu installation for Maemo you can go for Nitdroid: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=73.020:25
ivgalvezthere you'll find how to make it working with uboot20:26
kerioi still have a huge problem with backupmenu and my configuration :(20:26
sLumPiaivgalvez: what do you mean by special version? I install backupmenu using # apt-get install backupmenu20:26
sLumPianot downloaded backupmenu*.deb from some site20:27
ivgalvezoh, I thought you were using the one modified to work with Multiboot20:27
keriosLumPia: uninstall multiboot20:27
ivgalveznot build by Robbiethe1st20:27
keriouninstall backupmenu, too20:27
kerioinstall bootmenu and backupmenu20:27
ivgalvezanyway, you first need to uninstall all of it20:28
ivgalvezas kerio said20:28
kerioivgalvez: too late :D20:28
keriohm, i wonder if the n900 is fast enough to play esprade without frame skipping20:28
keriothe keys are going to be awful though20:28
DocScrutinizer51~maemo-multiboot20:29
infobotwell, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED20:29
keriouboot works fine20:29
DocScrutinizer51and for sure multiboot fscks uBoot20:29
keriobut if you don't want to dick around with a new bootloader+kernel, you can just use kernel-power's kexec to load a different kernel for nitdroid20:30
kerioor something20:30
DocScrutinizer51and afaik nitdroid needs multiboot, ever did, and always been hated for that20:30
sLumPiaDocScrutinizer51: I already uninstall multiboot20:30
kerioDocScrutinizer51: nah20:30
keriothere are guides to use uboot or even bootmenu20:31
DocScrutinizer51nahwut?20:31
DocScrutinizer51fsckit20:31
DocScrutinizer51if you want android, get a android device20:32
DocScrutinizer51faster, cheaper, better20:32
sLumPiaivgalvez: ok, i will try uninstall backupmenu and bootmenu. should i uninstall u-boot too?20:32
DocScrutinizer51*sigh*20:32
ivgalveznonono20:33
ivgalvezbackupmenu and multiboot20:33
DocScrutinizer51why the fuck would anybody want to uninstall backmenu??20:33
ivgalvezhe said it was conflicting with multiboot20:34
kerioDocScrutinizer51: to reinstall it, idk20:34
ivgalvezDocScrutinizer51: Nitdroid already works with uboot20:34
DocScrutinizer51sure, fsckng multibootconflicts with $everything, the hard way20:35
sLumPiaivgalvez: I already uninstall multiboot before (as Pali said, to use u-boot)20:35
ivgalvezok20:35
sLumPianow, i only have backupmenu, bootmenu, u-boot20:35
DocScrutinizer51sane20:35
ivgalvezthen you just neet to install Nitdroid as described in the link I pasted before20:35
DocScrutinizer51if that's enough to get nitdroid starting, feel happy20:36
louisdkDocScrutinizer51: I have CSSU :)20:36
DocScrutinizer51then see cssu-features20:36
DocScrutinizer51wiki20:37
sLumPiaivgalvez: I have install nitdroid. my problem right now is when i run u-boot-update-bootmenu, it show an error20:37
DocScrutinizer51hmmpf20:38
ivgalvezthen it's better to ask to nitdroid gurus20:38
sLumPiaError: Invalid file - missing kernel or script file20:38
ivgalvezat the very same thread: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=73.020:38
DocScrutinizer51beware, nitdroid probably pulls multiboot as dependency20:38
ivgalveznope, nitdroid is not installed via package manager20:38
ivgalvezonly the kernel20:39
DocScrutinizer51which in turn riuns uBoot20:39
sLumPiait's not nitdroid that i have problem with, it's backupmenu20:39
ivgalvezand doesn't depend on multiboot20:39
DocScrutinizer51BS20:39
kerio~seen robbiethe1st20:39
kerio~ping20:39
infobotrobbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-37-128-155.mscw.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17h 41m 7s ago, saying: 'Make sure your kernel is the right one for the module'.20:39
infobot~pong20:39
keriohm20:39
ivgalvezDocScrutinizer51: is that to me?20:40
kerioDocScrutinizer51: i can't get a shell in backupmenu because root's login shell is /bin/bash20:40
DocScrutinizer51nah20:40
sLumPiaivgalvez: do you use u-boot and backupmenu? what is your backupmenu.item contain?20:40
kerioand there's no /bin/bash in backupmenu20:40
kerio:(20:40
ivgalvezI don't have my N900 with me right now20:40
louisdkDocScrutinizer51: I tired this,  http://maemobriefs.blogspot.dk/2010/03/how-to-have-up-to-9-home-screens.html but can't install modified-hildon-desktop.20:41
DocScrutinizer51kerio: too bad, you  shot own foot20:41
keriono u :c20:41
DocScrutinizer51louisdk: cssu already comes with MHD20:41
louisdkDocScrutinizer51: Ok20:42
louisdkThx20:42
kerioDocScrutinizer51: to be fair i didn't expect backupmenu to look at /etc/passwd20:42
sLumPiaok, so do you know what should i put in backupmenu.item for this line: ITEM_KERNEL="zImage-my"20:42
sLumPia?20:42
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DocScrutinizer51I wonder if you have to touch that file anyway, but meh20:44
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DocScrutinizer51please /join #nitdroid20:44
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DocScrutinizer51this is #maemo20:44
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sLumPiaDocScrutinizer51: I am asking about backupmenu, not nitdroid20:46
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DocScrutinizer05backupmenu just works20:53
DocScrutinizer05it's a pretty normal #maemo app20:54
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keriowell, it's a bit weird :)20:55
DocScrutinizer05and as explained to you in all loving vorbosity that should make you weep, backupmenu is absolutely unrelated to nitdroid or any other alternative OS20:55
DocScrutinizer05SINCE IT STRARTS AFTER maemo KERNEL, FFS!20:56
sLumPia*sight* do you really need to shout?20:58
sLumPianormal doesn't mean it will always work20:58
DocScrutinizer05if any random weird nitdroid webpage tells you to modify XY.config file in maemo to make nitdroid work, that's clearly not a problem and question asked to the maintainer of XY or to #maemo at large20:59
DocScrutinizer05so go pester the #nitdroid guys!20:59
DocScrutinizer05my last statement20:59
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hrmpf20:59
kerioi added /bin/bash to the backupmenu tarball20:59
kerio...no libreadline20:59
kerioi felt a bit stupid21:00
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: waitwaitwait, you say BM looks nto /etc/passwd for the root default login shell?21:02
DocScrutinizer05(btw nfc what's libredline)21:03
DocScrutinizer05ooh readline pfff21:03
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: BM is the prototypical candidate for a lean statically linked busybox21:04
DocScrutinizer05and definitely MUST NOT look into /(maemoroot/)etc/passwd, for at least 7 different reasons21:05
DocScrutinizer05~211921:05
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.21:05
DocScrutinizer05kerio: IOW: please open a ticket, this is a bug21:06
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DocScrutinizer05(7 different reasons) what ig I run yp on my N900? ;-P21:08
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DocScrutinizer05s/ig/if/.21:08
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Macerhttp://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134672-harvard-cracks-dna-storage-crams-700-terabytes-of-data-into-a-single-gram22:50
Macerso when can i shove a dna SD into my N900? :-/22:50
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DocScrutinizer05SD??22:57
DocScrutinizer05ever put a uSD on the scale?22:57
DocScrutinizer05I'd be surprised if it weighs 0.1g22:57
DocScrutinizer05and you probably would need some housing for your DNA as well, no?22:58
DocScrutinizer05not to mention the "controller"22:58
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luca__Hello there! I'm having a problem with a jabber account, it says just "network error" and I can't connect, the server works fine, I can connect from the PC23:00
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fizzie"Weight: Micro: ~0.25g" says Wikipedia's handy-dandy infobox in the "Secure Digital" article.23:00
luca__I tried to disconnect and reconnect but the network error is instantaneous23:00
luca__it happened to me before, and it's fixed restarting the phone23:01
DocScrutinizer05WTF is a "sub-zero vacuum"?23:01
luca__but I wonder if there is a more linuxy way to fix it, maybe there is a process I can restart or other trick to force the reconnection?23:01
luca__its really annoying having to restart the phone for this :S23:02
DocScrutinizer05sure, you probably might go flight mode and back, to fix it23:02
DocScrutinizer05or restart the relevant processes23:02
DocScrutinizer05which probably is telepathy23:04
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