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DocScrutinizer05<infobot> freemangordon meant: has anyone ever replaced the clock battery with a capacitor?01:08
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KilrooWas it a flux capacitor?01:22
KilrooSeems appropriate for a clock battery.01:22
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RiDlol... i typed it accidentally01:58
prontoHOW DARE YOU02:00
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HurrianIt seems that tmo's being overrun by spammers at the moment.02:35
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DocScrutinizer05just that nobody here could actually do anything against that03:02
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: or could you? ^^^03:02
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DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: still spamattack?04:41
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LaoLang_coolHe is hacking nemo!04:52
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LaoLang_cooloh, nemo broken my sdcard!04:52
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iluminator105how do you reinstall maemo on n900 or go back factory settings04:58
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is
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DocScrutinizer51iluminator105: ^05:59
iluminator105DocScrutinizer, yea06:00
iluminator105i was thinking to just put meego on it, has anyone installed meego to harddrive how was it06:00
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andre__zeq: what about fixing your connection?12:49
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zeqyeah, I know :(12:49
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zeqI'm on t-mobile, I've no idea what's up with their network this morning.  My signal is fine.12:50
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ShapeshifterMh. I must have screwed up something. I just restarted my N900 and as soon as the desktop starts loading, hildon-desktop crashes. I think it's automatically respawned a few times and then nothing happens (i.e. all widgets are sitting on top of each other etc - no window management). I managed to open a terminal. starting hildon-desktop gives a Segmentation Fault.16:11
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ShapeshifterI reverted any changes that I did immediately prior to the restart (changing two gconf keys, one for kb layout, one for HAM update notifications) but they didn't make a difference. I suspect it must be caused by theme-customizer. How can I revert hildon-desktop to its old state?16:12
freemangordonShapeshifter: try with apt-get instal --reinstall hildon-desktop. Most probably your /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini is screwed up16:15
freemangordonyou may check if there is some backup in the above directory16:15
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Shapeshifterfreemangordon: thanks, you were right. having had the wrong kb layout I accidentally messed up transitions.ini while editing it in vim ;)16:31
Shapeshifterfreemangordon: aren't you supposed to be on holiday? giving support until the last minute? ^^16:33
freemangordonwell, from tomorrow ;)16:33
DocScrutinizer05it seems (M)HD terribly missing sanity checks for config16:34
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DocScrutinizer05maybe for a first bandaid we could move transitions.ini to transitions.ini-BAD and replace it with a default transitions.ini, when dsme respawn limit gets reached16:36
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: In general it would be nice if it was possible to boot into a recovery console like in any normal distro. I can't remember what it was that made this complicated.16:43
DocScrutinizer05in CSSU I suggested (and it got accepted) to change dsme start of HD from "reboot after too many respawns" to "give up after too many respawns". So you (in theory) still should be able to open a terminal via kbd shortcut16:45
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DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: if you hadn't installed CSSU you probably would've ended with a bootloop needing a reflash ;-)16:46
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DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: anyway I think you should open a ticket against (M)HD, regarding "segfaults on 'illegal' chars in transitions.ini"16:47
DocScrutinizer05this has to get fixed eventually16:47
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DocScrutinizer05sanity check for config data isn't optional or "nice to have", it's mandatory16:48
HurrianDocScrutinizer05, since Fremantle has ability to count number of failed respawn, there should be a "Safe Mode" for hildon, much like FMG has done for system-ui on harmattan16:48
Hurrianprobably keep a transitions.ini_safe file somewhere16:48
DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: that's what I suggested above, yes16:48
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DocScrutinizer05though I'm not sure there's a counter for respawns available anywhere outside dsme16:49
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DocScrutinizer05ooh yes, there are the dsme fault statistics somewhere insane location in /*/lib/* or sth16:50
DocScrutinizer05we could place an inotify watch on that16:51
Wizzup_I'm setting up a new n900, do I want cssu testing or cssu stable? I think my other phone has been on cssu testing for a long time16:51
Wizzup_and cssu stable doesn't seem to provide a lot at this point16:51
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup_: cssu-s provides almost all that's in testing as well16:51
DocScrutinizer05only most of the stuff defaults to disabled16:52
Wizzup_I see16:52
Wizzup_the changelog did not list that16:52
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Wizzup_or rather, the page links were confusing16:52
Wizzup_I'll go for stable then16:52
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DocScrutinizer05I also think a new S release is overdue16:53
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DocScrutinizer05ask merlin1991or chem|st about details of Stable16:54
Wizzup_well the wiki linked to a page of changelogs for stable and testing, and stable page is pretty much empty where testing lists all the changes16:54
merlin1991well stable does not have the camera-ui replacement, and is missing ke-recv and friends atm16:54
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: yep, that's what I thought16:55
merlin1991Wizzup_: Initial release of stable cssu Branch, contains the following packages from cssu-testing 16.8, with any changes on top listed in 2nd col:16:55
merlin1991that's why it's waaaaaaay shorter ;)16:55
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, it's basically showing diff to Testing, not to stock16:56
Wizzup_16.8? I can't find that here
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merlin1991(which has the version number 20.2010.36-2maemo16.8)16:57
Wizzup_I see, thanks16:57
DocScrutinizer05I knew this will bite our ass long time ;-P16:57
merlin1991I have to admit, our versioning scheme is confusing16:57
DocScrutinizer05well, got sanitized with introduction of S16:58
Wizzup_not complaining though, I'm very happy with cssu16:58
DocScrutinizer05and T16:58
Wizzup_Going to install the sdk in a bit and see if I can write/port a little game I was writing16:58
Wizzup_Going to try gles2 and golang, see how it works out16:59
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merlin1991hm new stable is overdue, libxml2, openssl, libcurl, libhildon and pango fixes17:01
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: see above ;-)17:01
merlin1991also our patched ke-recv seems to have reached a somewhat stable state17:01
Wizzup_I also read some nice things about omp17:01
DocScrutinizer05[2012-08-10 15:53:01] <DocScrutinizer05> I also think a new S release is overdue17:01
merlin1991Wizzup_: omp is not part of cssu though17:01
Wizzup_I noticed, but it figured it might become a part sooner or later17:02
merlin1991but I have it installed and edited the dbus config file of hte stock player to have it always :D17:02
DocScrutinizer05omp is clearly optional17:02
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DocScrutinizer05mafw might be cssu, player surface is clealry in user's discretion which to use17:03
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Wizzup_I'm also wondering if it's possible to have LAN games between two N900s17:03
DocScrutinizer05nothing else in system depends on a fixed version of (o)mp17:04
Wizzup_I'm trying to make a shoot em up and want to see how that goes with lan17:04
Wizzup_ping over wlan seems to be 40ms though, so 80ms delay17:04
Wizzup_should be doable17:04
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merlin1991you could try loading g_ether on both and connecting them via usb :D17:04
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Wizzup_right, I've been trying to get n900 usb net to work, been using mobile hotspot mainly though17:05 seems awfully slow atm17:05
DocScrutinizer05though I'm not sure USB is any faster re RTT17:06
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DocScrutinizer05ping time also might vastly improve on WLAN when going to "PSM: none"17:06
Wizzup_for OMP I suppose I should quickly turn on extras-devel, install omp, and then disable extras-devel again?17:06
Wizzup_DocScrutinizer05: I'll make a note of that17:07
DocScrutinizer05or ad-hoc17:07
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DocScrutinizer05Wizzup_: (omp) yes17:07
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Wizzup_well let's start fapman and see what happens :)17:08
DocScrutinizer05we need a HARM-alike MALF when fapman gets started X-P17:09
DocScrutinizer05"sorry luser, we detected severe PEBCAK, please reflash!"17:09
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: "apt: Launched from unsigned caller, refusing process initiation"17:09
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Hurrianyeah, we need markers in Fremantle for user tampering with certain crap that makes it do weird things17:11
Wizzup_Wait, am I at fault for using fapman?17:11
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup_: CSSU doesn't support fapman, ultimately17:12
Wizzup_I know, I already have cssu17:12
Hurrianjust don't do Maemo software upgrades using fapman17:12
Wizzup_this is just for adding repo extras-devel and installing omp17:12
HurrianI don't think fapman even sees Maemo software upgrades17:12
DocScrutinizer05might work, no warranties or support form CSSU though17:13
DocScrutinizer05anyway for me that's HAM or apt-get, any day17:13
Wizzup_I already have cssu-s17:13
Wizzup_or testing even, on this one17:13
DocScrutinizer05fapman notorious to do nasty17:14
Wizzup_Also wondering why omp isn't in testing, at least, I like to live on the edge somewhat but extras-devel is really on the edge and has a _lot_ of packages17:14
Wizzup_Isn't omp stable enough to be in testing at least?17:14
HurrianWizzup_, iirc OMP does dailies now that FMG's done with exams17:15
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Hurrianalmost no one bothers to QA, so if you want the latest and greatest you're going to have to put up with it17:15
DocScrutinizer05fapman notorious to do nasty17:15
jon_ywhat does it do?17:16
Wizzup_Hurrian: so I will have to switch on extras-devel every now and then ;)17:16
StyXmanDocScrutinizer05: such as? I use it almos exclusively17:16
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HurrianWizzup_, use apt-pinning, seriously.17:16
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Wizzup_Hurrian: Yeah I read that, but extras-devel makes the normal application manager _so_ _slow_ :P17:17
DocScrutinizer05StyXman: I never investigated that as it would need me installing fapman. But it seems it spins around autoremove and not always executing postinstall scripts the right way17:17
jon_yisn't that dpkg's job to run post install?17:18
Wizzup_omp seems much, much more responsive.17:18
HurrianWizzup_, the people that came up with apt-worker should be shot17:18
DocScrutinizer05I installed fapman once when it been fresh, fsckd my system during 2 days, I nuked it and will never touch it again. Others do and report about occasional problems17:18
Hurrianiirc it manually processes each package management-related file17:19
Hurrianone. by. one.17:19
StyXmanDocScrutinizer05: ack17:19
freemangordonHurrian: exams? FMG?17:20
Wizzup_Also, since there seems to be some activity here, how hard would it be to replace the old pulseaudio with a newer version17:20
Wizzup_I compiled a newer one in a chroot17:20
Wizzup_(have a gentoo chroot on n900 somewhere)17:20
DocScrutinizer05and definitely CSSU gets extended functions into HAM that for sure aren't ported to fapman17:20
Hurrianfreemangordon, crap, was sleepy. Was referring to MAG.17:21
DocScrutinizer05so basic rule: on CSSu use HAM, as that's the official tool for managing apps17:21
merlin1991Wizzup_: just wget the .deb of omp and use dpkg -i17:21
merlin1991afaik it does not have any silly dependencies17:21
Wizzup_merlin1991: That's a pain with updates though, but thanks17:21
Wizzup_No, it hasn't17:21
Hurrianthese TLAs get my head wound up after a while.17:21
freemangordonHurrian: :)17:21
Wizzup_Mainly asking because pulseaudio was stupid enough to break their protocol for no reason17:22
merlin1991Wizzup_: what's the point of newer pulseaudio, except for more poettering?17:22
Wizzup_And my cuboc (arm device) runs PA 1.1 and I stream all my audio to that17:22
Wizzup_merlin1991, I'd like to be able to stream all sound from n900 to a wallcomputer, so to say17:22
Wizzup_which is then connected to speakers17:22
DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: infobot should know them alll, if it's missing one, just tell me ;-)17:22
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: heya17:23
infobotsomebody said tla was Three Letter Acronym, or the name of the binary for GNU arch17:23
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: hey :-D17:23
infobotExtended Three Letter Acronym (pronounced /ee tee el ay/)17:23
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: :P17:23
infobotrumour has it, zogg is awesome17:24
HurrianDocScrutinizer05, I think that's missing.17:24
Wizzup_I'm in love with OMP17:24
Wizzup_It's so much better17:24
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: still want to host Harmattan source DVDs? :)17:24
DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: I think fmg is freemangordon17:24
HurrianDocScrutinizer05, knew that, just testing :)17:25
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo omp is Open Media Player17:25
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay17:25
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: i think it's online already17:25
infobotmethinks omp is Open Media Player17:25
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: you need to set chan, otherwise it's global17:25
ZogG_laptopdidn't know that17:25
javispedroZogG_laptop: where?17:25
HurrianWizzup_, it's a lot smoother, and disabling FMTX-UI checks is nice17:26
Wizzup_fmtx-ui checks?17:26
Wizzup_(I know what fmtx is)17:26
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: lemme rememebr who told he would upload it like a week ago17:26
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: sure thing17:26
javispedroZogG_laptop: probably it was me, took a whopping 48h to upload =)17:27
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: nope, it was someone who promised me to upload, but can't recall who was that17:27
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: right here:
merlin1991javispedro: I'm going to rape your host too :D17:27
merlin1991javispedro: are those the pr1.3 sources?17:28
javispedrothe kernel ones match at least.17:28
javispedroso, I guess yes :)17:28
merlin1991it's a shame that there is no libcontentmanager-dev inside the 1.2 sources17:29
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merlin1991libcontentmanager is closed but necessary to build the contorl panel applets17:29
javispedroit won't appear in the sources if it's closed17:30
javispedroyour best bet is sdk repos17:30
merlin1991well the one in the sdk repos is missing a header file :/17:30
javispedrolibcontentmanager is necessary to build control panel applets?17:30
merlin1991or rather not missing because it's 1.117:30
javispedroeither way, wrong channel =)17:30
javispedro(my fault)17:30
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: what's dists and pool?17:33
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: source packages organized as debian src repo17:33
javispedroready to use via apt-get source17:33
DocScrutinizer05would I want to mirror them?17:33
javispedroMohammadAG's idea17:33
DocScrutinizer05I guess that's just another 8765GB17:34
DocScrutinizer05which I *could* save when loopmounting the iso17:34
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javispedrothe .iso is a pain to host17:35
DocScrutinizer05not for me17:35
javispedroI could keep hosting the repo though17:35
ZogG_laptopwhy is it?17:35
javispedroZogG_laptop: if there are 50 downloads it's already 150GiB ;P17:35
javispedrowhile 50 downloads of a single package from the repo is ~1GiB ;P17:35
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: you host repo, I host .iso. Deal?17:35
javispedro(at most)17:35
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: ok17:35
DocScrutinizer05for me storage is the concern17:36
ZogG_laptopjavispedro: oh, that17:36
DocScrutinizer05while traffic is for free afaik17:36
ZogG_laptopi don't have storage or traffic problem, as i have no host. no host - no problem17:36
javispedroDocScrutinizer05: danke schön!17:36
DocScrutinizer05bitte sehr :-)17:37
ZogG_laptopya ya :)17:37
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DocScrutinizer05nothing to replace a proper backbone17:38
javispedroI had to upload at ~20K/s :P17:39
javispedroI used a 24h/on raspberry pi :)17:39
DocScrutinizer05this lil vserver is awesome17:40
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Wizzup_merlin1991: did you compile the fennec-17 package for thumb? I'm interested in the latest fennec but I don't have thumb2 yet17:49
Wizzup_Or do you just host the packages17:49
merlin1991I just host, freemangordon is the thumb man17:49
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Wizzup_Well, I'm looking for fennec w/o thumb217:50
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merlin1991freemangordon and someone else are working on that, dunno how far they are17:51
Wizzup_alright, thanks17:51
DocScrutinizer05whom we even got a N900 to continue the awesome work17:52
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zsolt_hunhi there.could somebody tell me how to boot from sdcard with bootmenu n900?i set everything as it was explained,but when i try to boot,nothing happens17:52
zsolt_hunthank you17:52
zsolt_hunit is a debian system17:52
zsolt_hunyes.from the extras repo17:53
zsolt_hunyou know,when the keyboard is detached on n900 and the bootmenu shows up17:54
DocScrutinizer05there's multiboot (deprecated) and uBoot, and yes there's bootmenu but I never heard it got used for booting a different kernel&rootfs. Maybe there's some new stuff though I didn't hear about yet17:54
DocScrutinizer05anyway aiui bootmenu would either need kexec, or do what multiboot does, which sounds weird to re-implement again17:55
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infoboti guess maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED17:56
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zsolt_hun here is the instruction,i did it as it described,nothing happens17:57
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zsolt_hunpatitioned an ext3 fs to my ext sd card,tar-ed the debian distro,but nothing happens17:59
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DocScrutinizer05aah my fav site elektranox which attributes my charging script to somebody who actually was able to change 0x10 to 0x80, as I orginially already suggested implicitly. Sorry nfc if this site is up to date in any way18:00
DocScrutinizer05I don't even know what this guy suggests to use as bootselector18:01
DocScrutinizer05aka bootloader-menu18:02
DocScrutinizer05zsolt_hun: check tmo for uBoot18:02
DocScrutinizer05I think you find more up-to-date instructions there18:02
HurrianDocScrutinizer05, electranox uses Bootmenu to choose post-preinit boot18:03
Hurrianthat's some pretty damn old stuff18:03
DocScrutinizer05yeah, gathered as much18:03
DocScrutinizer05completely obsolete18:03
DocScrutinizer05must be like... 2 years old18:04
zsolt_hunbut anyway this boot menu inside the extras repo18:04
zsolt_hunstill there18:04
DocScrutinizer05but you won't find support or current binaries for that method anymore18:05
DocScrutinizer05while uBoot support and binaries are pretty much up-to-date18:06
Hurrianmeh, use a armel-compiled 2.6.37-nemo kernel. setting up an obsolete toolchain to properly build 2.6.28 is a pain.18:06
zsolt_hunwhat a pity:( i think it was the most elegant solution to boot other os,but that's my opinion18:06
Hurrianzsolt_hun, most elegant solution to multiboot is via u-boot18:06
DocScrutinizer05that's why that other method bitrot18:07
zsolt_huni tryed u-boot to,but it cant find my sd card18:07
DocScrutinizer05well, then you're as good as you're now, with that bootmenu method, no?18:07
DocScrutinizer05only that for uBoot you actually might find support18:08
zsolt_hunthank you18:08
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slonopotamusis there any way to disable insane fremantle Calendar io activity when connecting to Skype?19:04
DocScrutinizer05slonopotamus: hm?19:05
DocScrutinizer05slonopotamus: please elaborate19:05
slonopotamus1. create skype account 2. add ~200 contacts 3. connect to it from n900 4. observe unusability of device for a couple of minutes due to massive I/O by /usr/bin/Calendar19:07
slonopotamusi guest that is related19:07
slonopotamusi guest that is related to the fact that when skype account is *off* then all birthday notifiers of skype contacts appear in calendar *twice*. and when skype account is connected, they merge back into single entries19:08
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, sounds like Skype WONTFIX19:16
DocScrutinizer05you should've reported that bug 20 months ago, err 30?19:17
povbotBug Mousepointer visible19:17
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slonopotamusi haven't used skype on n900 30 months ago?19:19
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DocScrutinizer05but Nokia might have considered fixing that bug back when. Now I don't see any fixes for skype coming19:32
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Vibeyou got soundcloud working on n900?19:34
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Vibeplay button does nothing..19:34
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PsotnickVibe: not working in MicroB for me19:41
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ShapeshifterIs it possible to snap pictures *including flash* on the CLI on the n900? I see gst-launch can be used to take pictures but this excludes the flash.20:10
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, you might be able to dump the framebuffer20:47
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Woody14619~seen SD6921:10
infobotsd69 <ae64f0d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 110d 3h 27m 11s ago, saying: 'any thoughts on cOBS from cssu pov?'.21:10
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newbie|2hi there. Is there a way to install maemo on an old machine such as xperia x2 ?21:45
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vi__freemangordon: ping23:33
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bennypr0fanehello, would anyone happen to know if I need to be root to edit transitions.ini in fremantle?23:46
bennypr0faneand if so, how is the command for it in xterm?23:48
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Vibedoes anyone got soundcloud working on n900?23:48
joga(so yes)23:49
bennypr0fanejoga thanks23:50
jogafor the command you should first become root and then do something like vim /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini23:50
joga(assuming you have vim, I do)23:50
bennypr0fanedon't think so, what is vim? will leafpad do?23:52
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bennypr0faneso form the wiki it seems the autorotate blacklist should work for desktop widgets too, not just regular apps...23:53
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bennypr0faneI want to keep the K9Call desktop dialler widget from rotating23:53
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bennypr0fanebut it seems people have been unsuccessful adding it to the blacklist23:54
jogacan you use transition control to tweak that?23:57
bennypr0fanethe blacklist?23:59
bennypr0fanewhat's transitions control?23:59

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