IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-08-08

ShadowJK	received two calls (unanswered, but vibra on, and screen prolly came on)	00:00
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kerio	that's very little! ^_^	00:00
ShadowJK	hm, but that only works out to 6 days standby with japod battery	00:01
kerio	well boo hoo	00:01
kerio	use two scuds	00:01
kerio	and suspend to ram, maybe	00:01
kerio	although the radio is the big power draw	00:01
ShadowJK	well, 12 days in offline mode	00:02
kerio	shouldn't it be a lot more, with suspend-to-ram?	00:02
ShadowJK	it's like 99.99% str anyway?	00:02
kerio	hm	00:02
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kerio	good point	00:03
ShadowJK	I mean C4 is essentially suspend to ram	00:03
kerio	although not really	00:03
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kerio	i mean, the watchdog wants something every 30 seconds or so	00:03
kerio	doesn't it	00:03
ShadowJK	i guess	00:03
vi__	suspend to ram==no fone calls	00:04
kerio	nah, if you're not in offline mode it doesn't even work	00:04
kerio	because the phone keeps waking the system up	00:05
vi__	wut are you even babbling on about?	00:07
kerio	try it	00:07
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DocScrutinizer05	vi__: kerio is correct, unsol response (e.g. signal strength report) swill wake up OMAP all the time	00:10
DocScrutinizer05	unsol result?	00:10
kerio	infobot: kerio is <DocScrutinizer> [...] kerio is correct [...]	00:11
infobot	okay, kerio	00:11
kerio	=D	00:12
DocScrutinizer05	now lock it, fool! ;-P	00:12
DocScrutinizer05	or vi__ will redefine it	00:12
kerio	infobot: lock kerio	00:12
infobot	kerio: locking factoid kerio	00:12
kerio	:D	00:12
kerio	can't it be unlocked?	00:12
DocScrutinizer05	by you, yes	00:13
DocScrutinizer05	by me too ;-P	00:13
kerio	oh :c	00:13
DocScrutinizer05	by anyone who grabs your nick	00:13
kerio	nickserv enforce is on, bitchez	00:13
kerio	...at least, i think	00:13
kerio	yep, it is	00:13
DocScrutinizer05	~+help lock	00:14
infobot	Desc: Factoid locking to prevent removal by others	00:14
infobot	Usage: lock <factoid>	00:14
infobot	Example: lock abuse	00:14
infobot	NOTE: By default, only registered "ops" on the bots or factoids matching the user's nick are able to lock factoids.	00:14
infobot	NOTE: Requires factoid extension (extra) support enabled.	00:14
kerio	i see	00:14
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kerio	oh well, Rodney has ??kerio as a redirect to ??troll	00:14
kerio	(nethack informations bot)	00:15
DocScrutinizer05	~abuse	00:15
DocScrutinizer05	LOL	00:16
DocScrutinizer05	~abuse is running a OS from Redmond on a decent hardware platform	00:16
* infobot smacks is running a OS from Redmond on a decent hardware platform across the face. "Take that, sucker!"		00:17
DocScrutinizer05	FU bot!	00:17
kerio	haha	00:17
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kerio	~abuse DocScrutinizer05	00:17
* infobot smacks DocScrutinizer05 across the face. "Take that, sucker!"		00:17
DocScrutinizer05	~useless	00:17
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :(		00:17
kerio	aww :(	00:17
kerio	~botsnack	00:17
infobot	kerio: thanks	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	why tf is a CMD overriding a factoid definition?	00:18
kerio	infobot: lock is cheese	00:18
kerio	because of this ^	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	there are CMDs and commands ;-)	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	~help abuse	00:19
kerio	k	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	~+help abuse	00:19
infobot	no help on abuse. Use 'help' without arguments.	00:19
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DocScrutinizer05	~+help lock	00:19
infobot	Desc: Factoid locking to prevent removal by others	00:19
infobot	Usage: lock <factoid>	00:19
infobot	Example: lock abuse	00:19
infobot	NOTE: By default, only registered "ops" on the bots or factoids matching the user's nick are able to lock factoids.	00:19
infobot	NOTE: Requires factoid extension (extra) support enabled.	00:19
kerio	i see	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	~listkeys abuse	00:19
infobot	Factoid search of 'abuse' by key (19 of 27): macroabuse ;; jim abuse ;; floppy abuse ;; buttabuse #DEL# ;; macroabuse #DEL# ;; abuse me ;; abuse $nick ;; dictabuse #DEL# ;; dcc abuse ;; userabuse ;; idiotabuse ;; channel abuse ;; bot abuse ;; dictabuse ;; abusestats ;; guruabuse ;; abused ;; security abuse ;; giveabuse.	00:19
kerio	~abuse me	00:20
* infobot smacks kerio across the face. "Take that, sucker!"		00:20
DocScrutinizer05	meh	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	~listkeys abuse	00:20
infobot	Factoid search of 'abuse' by key (18 of 27): channel abuse ;; security abuse ;; guruabuse ;; idiotabuse ;; mongoose abuse ;; buttabuse #DEL# ;; abusers ;; abuse me ;; macroabuse #DEL# ;; dcc abuse ;; floppy abuse ;; jim abuse ;; abuse #DEL# ;; bot abuse ;; cmd: abuse (.*?) ;; abuse fender ;; abusestats ;; abused.	00:20
kerio	...i really don't know what i was expecting	00:20
kerio	s/i was/was i/	00:20
infobot	kerio meant: ...i really don't know what was i expecting	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	~literal cmd: abuse (.*?)	00:20
infobot	"cmd: abuse (.*?)" is "($hans): <action> smacks $hans across the face. "Take that, sucker!""	00:20
vi__	~unlock kerio	00:21
vi__	~forget kerio	00:21
kerio	vi__: u mad bro	00:21
infobot	cannot alter locked factoids, vi__	00:21
kerio	why so mad bro	00:21
vi__	~keri0 is a noobor	00:22
infobot	vi__: okay	00:22
vi__	~keri0 is a jarjar binks	00:22
infobot	...but keri0 is already something else...	00:22
vi__	~forget keri0	00:22
infobot	i forgot keri0, vi__	00:22
vi__	~keri0 is a jarjar binks	00:22
infobot	okay, vi__	00:22
vi__	~buttabuse kerio	00:23
vi__	~floppyabuse kerio	00:23
infobot	vi_ STFU!	00:23
kerio	infobot: <3	00:23
infobot	I love you. <3	00:23
vi__	~rape infobot	00:23
* infobot takes infobot behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams		00:23
vi__	~rape an alpaca	00:24
* infobot takes an alpaca behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams		00:24
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vi__	DocScrutinizer05: your killing all fun	00:26
DocScrutinizer05	fun is an entity	00:26
kerio	~fun is an entity	00:26
infobot	...but fun is already something else...	00:26
kerio	oh, ok then	00:26
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: please stop messing with bot as well	00:27
kerio	k	00:27
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vi__	yo fmg	00:43
vi__	hows it hangin?	00:43
freemangordon	vi_: hi	00:43
vi__	lol and lazy I trust.	00:43
freemangordon	yeah :)	00:43
vi__	S/lol/low	00:44
freemangordon	vi_: and what's up?	00:44
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freemangordon	~seen zeq	00:47
infobot	zeq <~s_j_newbu@178.110.126.62> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 5h 13m 52s ago, saying: 'kerio: probably "kernel-feature-sigmask-syscalls" would be more accurate, but I'm open to suggestions.'.	00:47
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DocScrutinizer05	friggin bain-defunct plasma desktop	02:50
DocScrutinizer05	brain even	02:50
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DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: wtf is this: http://www.totobay.com/original-uem-ic-for-nokia-x3-x6-7230-n900-e72-4376047_p25848.html	03:40
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robbiethe1st	Charger chip/DC converter , apparently	03:49
robbiethe1st	also, looks like it has something to do with storing the IMEI number	03:49
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Creteil	freemangordon, are you up ?	04:08
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DocScrutinizer05	robbiethe1st: huh? well when it's charger chip it should probably be bq24150(a)	04:10
DocScrutinizer05	robbiethe1st: but how's that related to IMEI?	04:10
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DocScrutinizer05	if only those ***** in China would be able to read the chip name from one of the chips. Is this really THAT hard to google for those three lines of 7987saf97987	04:12
DocScrutinizer05	I'd do it if only I could read anything in that crappy photo they provide	04:13
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RST38h	Hey, Doc, how is suffering tonight?	04:21
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jpinx	DocScrutinizer05: does this help? http://szedtech.en.alibaba.com/viewimg/picture.html?picture=http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v1/51517839/Mobile_Phone_ic_chip_for_371_Uem.jpg	04:28
DocScrutinizer05	N2200	04:28
DocScrutinizer05	aka GAZOO, the GAIA of BB5	04:29
DocScrutinizer05	RST38h: just as usual ;-D	04:31
DocScrutinizer05	jpinx: alas not, it seems this chip is not the same as in http://www.totobay.com/original-uem-ic-for-nokia-x3-x6-7230-n900-e72-4376047_p25848.html	04:32
DocScrutinizer05	jpinx: thanks anyway	04:32
DocScrutinizer05	:-)	04:33
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jpinx	np - I was borwsing for something else and came across it. I'm looking for a solution for a chinese Nokia C6 dualsim phone	04:34
jpinx	charging issues again ;)	04:34
jpinx	not c6 - brainfart - it's a C3-00	04:35
DocScrutinizer05	anyway robbiethe1st was obviously right, just wonder how he managed that so fast	04:35
jpinx	not called ...thefirst without reason ;)	04:36
DocScrutinizer05	and I'm still musing about that comment regarding IMEI - might actually be possible	04:36
robbiethe1st	DocScrutinizer, Google	04:42
robbiethe1st	My extended brain.	04:42
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DocScrutinizer05	amazing how you find such detail from a TLA	04:45
DocScrutinizer05	I guess UEM will yield ~4 billion hits	04:46
DocScrutinizer05	or is the chip label actually in the URL :-O	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	dafaq indeed, 4376047	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	but I can't confirm the IMEI stuff	04:48
DocScrutinizer05	it has just the SIM interface	04:49
DocScrutinizer05	no real indication anything beyond that regarding logic is in that chip	04:49
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DocScrutinizer05	not that it was impossible	04:50
robbiethe1st	Actually, all I found was a reference to replacing the chip to change your IMEI number	04:51
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DocScrutinizer05	DUH	05:00
DocScrutinizer05	link?	05:00
DocScrutinizer05	meh, I just found out that gibberish in second line on the chip actually reads "GAZOO346" or maybe G	05:01
DocScrutinizer05	instead the trailing 6	05:01
DocScrutinizer05	or 0	05:01
LaoLang_cool	I should not try nemo, it has broken my sd card :(	05:02
LaoLang_cool	just 1 hr's tring	05:02
LaoLang_cool	trying	05:02
DocScrutinizer05	lol	05:02
DocScrutinizer05	there's indeed a known bug in MMC driver that has potential to kill some specific brand/build of uSD	05:03
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DocScrutinizer05	thought they should've included it in nemo since ages	05:04
LaoLang_cool	I should install nemo in emmc, not in sd card	05:04
DocScrutinizer05	you should NOT risk the hard-to-replace eMMC. Better get a decent uSD	05:08
DocScrutinizer05	other than killing uSD, how's nemo now?	05:08
LaoLang_cool	DocScrutinizer05, what is uSD?	05:10
robbiethe1st	micro SD	05:10
LaoLang_cool	oh	05:10
robbiethe1st	And with an 8GB card around $10-15...	05:10
robbiethe1st	cheap.	05:10
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DocScrutinizer05	<robbiethe1st> Actually, all I found was a reference to replacing the chip to change your IMEI number)) I guess that's been a russian site, since I seem to have checked all english refs to 4376047	05:13
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DocScrutinizer05	what I can't hrok is how this GAZOO power regulator is doing its job without a single choke	05:21
robbiethe1st	DocScrutinizer, http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/archive/t-111133.html was what I found - googled for "UEM ic"	05:23
robbiethe1st	Also, GAZOO power regulator? ??	05:23
DocScrutinizer05	that's what I gathered, yes	05:23
robbiethe1st	Could it be a built-in one?	05:24
DocScrutinizer05	seems it's more like power amp or whatever	05:24
robbiethe1st	Either that, or just one attached to the circuit outside like usual?	05:24
DocScrutinizer05	it does battery monitor/management/charging (though latter disabled), it has a 32kHz crystal, it does audio (though again mostly disabled ?), and I see TXData	05:26
DocScrutinizer05	and a lot to VAPAUS whatever that is	05:26
robbiethe1st	huh	05:27
DocScrutinizer05	Vbat(vibra\|ana\|digi\|SIM\|LED...)	05:27
DocScrutinizer05	VAPAUS is the RF power amp	05:30
DocScrutinizer05	actually the synthesis	05:31
DocScrutinizer05	and AURA is the DC/DC converter	05:31
DocScrutinizer05	so it's quite unclear what this monsterchip does in the end	05:32
DocScrutinizer05	anyway it does TXC(ontrol?) and AFC for VAPAUS	05:34
DocScrutinizer05	pretty much 3/4 of GAZOO functions are unused and NotConnected. Nevertheless this chip might be responsible for the notorious GSM breakdown failure ("No SIM")	05:52
DocScrutinizer05	robbiethe1st: GAZOO _controls_ the power regulators, resp provides reference voltages	05:53
DocScrutinizer05	it's quite funny we use ~20% of the audio amps that are hanging around here and there in N900	05:54
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DocScrutinizer05	I'd already bet GAZOO has not only kbd interface like GAIA, but maybe actually even LCD interface too - of course all unused (vibra, LED, ¿kbd?, ¿display?, ear-audio, PMA[udio])	05:57
DocScrutinizer05	SpeedEvil: swap GAZOO for trying to fix GSM-failure "No SIM" ? ^^^	05:58
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: ^^^	05:58
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psychologe	hello ,has a question,i install power-kernel51 and batterypatch,set minfreq=125 maxfreq=805,,when my phone standby,i use conky view ,the CPU frequency sometime 125,sometime 805,,,how let N900 standby on 125Mhz always?	09:59
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psychologe	has somebody?	10:04
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psychologe	infobot, he	10:10
infobot	it has been said that he is not, or gay	10:10
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jonwil	~seen pali	11:59
infobot	pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 5d 1h 44m 14s ago, saying: 'jonwil has some more info about format'.	11:59
jon_y	hope pali is alright	12:01
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ShadowJK	standby is usually 0MHz, zero. But sometimes just running conky bumps frequency to max for the short duration when conky is collecting data	16:12
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ShadowJK	It would be more sensible for such apps to look at the long term statistics instead of current instantaneous frequency	16:14
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Hurrian	ShadowJK, but ondemand ramps CPU to highest OPP usable when any load appears	16:19
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ShadowJK	that's what I said? :P	16:22
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Lava_Croft	I dont know whats up withe MWKN	16:40
Lava_Croft	But clicking the links in Google Reader brings up a login window	16:41
Lava_Croft	A bit odd	16:41
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kerio	goddammit, does the file picker work for anyone, in microB?	16:51
Lava_Croft	Nice, it MWKN links seems to be fixed now	16:55
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Wizzup_	What browser do you guys use on the n900?	17:07
kerio	microb	17:08
Wizzup_	I used to use fennec, but it was just too slow, and opera seems to do quite well	17:09
Wizzup_	just wondering if there were better browsers out there	17:09
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kerio	fennec with thumb is usable	17:10
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conred	installed fennec 17 right away and it is realy quite usable, thanks for the tip :)	17:20
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narcos	Hi all. Could someone give me advice getting the ISC dhcrelay on my N900?	17:37
narcos	It comes with the package dhcp3-relay on other systems	17:43
merlin1991	why do you need a dhcp relay? but in general, if it doesn't exist already in extras (-devel) grab the source and build it	17:51
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narcos	merlin1991: Setting n900 up as a hotspot, and want to relay dhcp requests to another server.	17:53
narcos	merlin1991: To add the -devel repo, should I add the following line to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list :	17:54
narcos	deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free	17:54
narcos	?	17:54
merlin1991	to add -devel properly add it inside hildon application manager	17:54
merlin1991	but the lines are right	17:54
merlin1991	though there is no dhcp3-relay package in extras-devel	17:55
narcos	ahhhh	17:55
narcos	So, grab source and compile, you say?	17:55
merlin1991	but when you do a hotspot you could ie route the traffic through the n900 using masquerade in postrouting and just run your own dhcp server on the n900 with dnsmasq	17:55
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merlin1991	or use one of the tools in extras like qt-mobilehotspot that does all that for you	17:56
narcos	I don't think it can act as a dhcp-relay	17:56
merlin1991	why do you need the dhcp relay for a hotspot usecase?	17:57
merlin1991	internet <> n900 (masquerading everthing behind <> hotspot clients	17:57
narcos	I want to relay DHCP requests to another server.	17:57
merlin1991	the question is not what but why :D	17:58
narcos	merlin1991: I'm using multiple maemo devices like so: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XFKd0RWC	17:58
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narcos	If I want to monitor traffic on the server to a level of IP address:traffic, I need to know which IP belongs to which MAC	17:58
narcos	If I handle DHCP on the AP, I can't easily do that	17:59
merlin1991	oh now I know why, you need valid addreses after the ap	18:00
merlin1991	well in this case grab the debian source (should be closest to maemo) and build it in scratchbox	18:00
narcos	Ah, scratchbox, I meddled with that a while back, and didn't get very far	18:01
merlin1991	you can ask me about scratchbox when you run into problems :)	18:02
narcos	heh, ok, thanks :)	18:02
narcos	merlin1991: Another q - dnsmasq seems to be running on my device, and each time I kill its process it restarts. Any idea how to track down what's restarting it?	18:06
merlin1991	probably dsme	18:08
merlin1991	narcos: dnsmasq is always running on a n900	18:08
merlin1991	check your resolv.conf ;)	18:08
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narcos	Er, I've already butchered my resolv.conf to suite my purposes :)	18:09
narcos	merlin1991: How can I stop it, or edit the config?	18:09
narcos	merlin1991: I'm trying to setup dhcp server with it via: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58213	18:10
narcos	i.e., I don't currently have the stomach for compiling code in scratchbox - I'm going to run a local dhcp server and upload lease files	18:10
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merlin1991	phew, no idea who exactly starts dnsmasq, you'd have to check the init scripts, but I bet it's started via dsmetool somewehre	18:14
narcos	Hmm ok, lemme dig around	18:16
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narcos	k sorted, problem was PEBKAC	18:19
merlin1991	PEBKAC?	18:19
narcos	Problem Existed Between Keyboard and Chair	18:20
narcos	i.e. me	18:20
merlin1991	ah :D	18:20
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narcos	Hmm, dnsmasq hands out IPs, but /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases is empty	18:21
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vi_	~seen your anus	18:23
infobot	vi_: i haven't seen 'your anus'	18:24
vi_	lol	18:24
narcos	LOL	18:24
narcos	~seen anything'. But thanks for asking, moron.	18:24
infobot	narcos: i haven't seen 'anything'. but thanks for asking, moron.'	18:24
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narcos	Poort attempt at sqli	18:25
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Shapeshifter	jeez some stock features on the n900 are just terrible	18:57
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narcos	Hmm, where is the PATH variable defined on maemo	18:58
narcos	.profile	19:00
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njsf	Anyone knows how to stop the "low battery" reboot loop on the N900	20:19
njsf	?	20:19
njsf	I have it plugged for almost a day now looping on reboot after the battery was drained	20:20
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njsf	Plugged on the wall adapter mind you, not usb cable	20:20
ShadowJK	Considering the number of such cases lately, and the average of N900s now, I'm starting to suspect it can't cope with aged batteries	20:23
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SpeedEvil	old batteries can cause weird problems.	20:31
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SpeedEvil	and batteries bought at device purchase time will be old now.	20:32
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luke-jr	njsf: same problem here	20:37
luke-jr	SpeedEvil: even if the device wasn't used?	20:37
ShadowJK	yeah, all my originals reached my own "junk" threshold in year and half or so	20:37
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luke-jr	SpeedEvil: I replaced mine with a "I got an iPhone so I never used my N900" battery	20:37
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luke-jr	and it still does weird crap	20:37
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ShadowJK	unused device with battery installed probably would reach my own "junk" threshold in 6 months or less	20:38
luke-jr	ouch, really?	20:38
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luke-jr	is this Mugen extended battery trustworthy?	20:39
SpeedEvil	I have a 3yo battery which is in near new condition.	20:40
Woody14619	ShadowJK: For future reference, anytime anyone sees 125Mhz these days, 99.9% chance they are running batterypatch/speedpatch. It forces over/under clock.	20:40
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SpeedEvil	but it has been charged to 40% and in the freezer for most of that	20:41
Woody14619	The only way to get that is by installing one of Titan's old kernels, by hand-tweeking it yourself with KP, or installing crap-patches.	20:41
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Woody14619	luke-jr, if you're battery shopping, there's a good thread on TMO with links to the best places.	20:42
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ShadowJK	luke-jr; no	20:43
Wizzup_	conred: where did you get fennec 17 from? I didn't know there were recent n900 builds	20:43
ShadowJK	luke-jr; it's pointless	20:44
ShadowJK	well the 2400mAh one is indeed 2400, but people consider it expensive	20:44
luke-jr	ShadowJK: well, I was thinking I need a new battery door anyway..	20:44
luke-jr	the original "latches" break off too easily	20:44
Woody14619	Well, Mugen is the largest commercially produced battery for the N900. And the new back is actually kind of nice.	20:45
conred	Wizzup_:fennec 17 is in the thumb repository, check the cssu-thumb thread at tmo	20:45
Woody14619	But you can make a dual-scud for half the price and just order a cover on your own most times. :)	20:45
ShadowJK	japod from dealextrem that I got turned out to be 1440 mAh	20:46
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* Woody14619 nods... Mine was too. That's what I use in my day to day.		20:46
luke-jr	I can't find a TMO thread on batteries	20:46
Woody14619	on sec.	20:46
luke-jr	ShadowJK: so the 2400 Mugen should work reasonably?	20:46
ShadowJK	i think they've (mugen) gotten alot stricter about people ordering just the cover	20:46
Woody14619	luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568	20:47
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ShadowJK	I had to adjust the pins on mine slightly with a needle	20:47
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Woody14619	luke-jr: My understanding is that the battery is ok, just way over priced. May be worth it to get the custom cover legitly though...	20:48
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conred	Wizzup_: talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829	20:48
Wizzup_	I am looking at that atm, I didn't know about this	20:48
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luke-jr	Woody14619: considering I paid only $200 for a like-new N900 (but apparently dud battery), $100 for a good battery doesn't seem too unreasonable	20:49
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Woody14619	True. Let me guess, from ebay/China "cellphoneforever"? Picked up a second N900 from there a bit ago myself to help with testing. Turned into the day to day for my SO in a week though. ;)	20:51
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luke-jr	otoh, seeing some of these "mere replacements" for $7…	20:51
luke-jr	Woody14619: no, CraigsList	20:51
Wizzup_	conred: That is pretty awesome! I should probably try that in a bit	20:51
luke-jr	Woody14619: I picked it up in person with cash :P	20:51
Woody14619	Oh... Nice... Probably better off from there. The ebay ones are refurbs, but frankly not in bad condition most times. But it can be a craps shoot.	20:52
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Wizzup_	conred: ah, and the robots.txt has disallow all, that's why I didn't find it via google	20:52
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Lava_Croft	mugen cover lacks a camera lens hatch	21:30
Lava_Croft	i have one too, i dont use it	21:30
Lava_Croft	i just carry around 4 BL5J's	21:30
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trumee	DocScrutinizer05: is this the latest script to find charging current? http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail2	21:39
DocScrutinizer05	yep, I hope so	21:39
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trumee	DocScrutinizer05: what is the charging current, http://pastie.org/4413436 ?	21:41
DocScrutinizer05	trumee: please use http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2	21:41
trumee	DocScrutinizer05: here you go, http://pastie.org/4413449	21:43
trumee	DocScrutinizer05: AI Average Current High is what i should be reading?	21:43
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DocScrutinizer05	trumee: why you do that cmdline magic? IIRC I wrote bq27k-detail2 to avoid any need for that	21:44
trumee	DocScrutinizer05: ah, i was only following the wiki	21:44
trumee	DocScrutinizer05: ok last time, http://pastie.org/4413464	21:45
DocScrutinizer05	do those differ?	21:46
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trumee	DocScrutinizer05: AI Average current high reports less than 450mA. I was hoping to get a bigger number connected to the wall charger	21:46
DocScrutinizer05	I think all should be identical, and yes, iirc it's AI that shows current current	21:46
trumee	DocScrutinizer05: dont think they do.	21:46
DocScrutinizer05	which wiki?	21:47
trumee	guess, i should let the battery deplete considerably before testing	21:47
DocScrutinizer05	URL please, so I can fix that	21:47
trumee	DocScrutinizer05: nope, i read the wiki wrong!	21:47
DocScrutinizer05	for an constant reading/monitoring of just current, I recommend to use shadowjk's script, e.g found here: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh	21:49
DocScrutinizer05	less confusing output	21:49
DocScrutinizer05	bq27200.sh 5	21:49
trumee	DocScrutinizer05: thanks	21:51
njsf	I wished that the N900 could just run without battery but plugged in sigh	21:52
DocScrutinizer05	Woody14619: luke-jr: (mugen) or you don't use just 2 scud piggybacked one on the other, and instead really use the additional space gained by custom backcover: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120715_003.jpg	21:53
DocScrutinizer05	njsf: your bootloop?	21:53
njsf	yes	21:53
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer05: O.o?	21:54
DocScrutinizer05	njsf: bootloops never charge battery, they ruin it	21:54
luke-jr	don't you need the custom backcover to do that ? :P	21:54
njsf	DocScrutinizer05: so I'm SOL or is there a well know way to stop the loop ?	21:54
DocScrutinizer05	and instead really use the additional space gained by custom backcover:	21:54
DocScrutinizer05	njsf: when your rootfs is defect and thus bootloops, then you should get an external charger, charge your battery, then reflash	21:56
DocScrutinizer05	njsf: when your battery causes bootloop, then get a new battery. Yours is worn out	21:56
njsf	ok. I guess I am getting a new battery AND an external charger..	21:57
Woody14619	Interesting shot Doc, but where did the antennas go?	21:57
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njsf	this would have to be a 5800 charger right ?	21:57
Woody14619	AFAIK the GPS and GSM antennas are in the areas above and to the right of the battery (which that custom mod pic would seem to have removed)	21:58
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Woody14619	DocScrutinizer05: Because of you can remove those areas while still having those services, that's great. But I susspect this mod removes (or at least relocates) those to make space.	22:00
Woody14619	s/of/if/	22:01
infobot	Woody14619 meant: DocScrutinizer05: Because if you can remove those areas while still having those services, that's great. But I susspect this mod removes (or at least relocates) those to make space.	22:01
njsf	Seems like SCUD blue dream is no longer available at aliexpress	22:02
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trumee	DocScrutinizer05: i am chopping a male-female usb cable to shor d+ and d- for a dumb charger. There is a wire sheath around the wires, can i chop them off?	22:03
DocScrutinizer05	Woody14619: sorry, I can't follow	22:03
DocScrutinizer05	Woody14619: which services?	22:03
Woody14619	Doc, scroll back...	22:03
Woody14619	AFAIK the GPS and GSM antennas are in the areas above and to the right of the battery (which that custom mod pic would seem to have removed)	22:03
DocScrutinizer05	aah	22:03
Woody14619	It could be that mod relocates them... but still... There's not much wasted space in the N900. :)	22:04
DocScrutinizer05	well, I might stick those two batteries to a N900 in use, with some stickytape. then see if GPS and GSM still works	22:05
DocScrutinizer05	actually there's no mod, just a suggestion I arranged by placing 2 batteries on back of N900	22:06
DocScrutinizer05	GSM antenna anyway is other end of device for all I recall	22:08
DocScrutinizer05	err nope	22:09
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DocScrutinizer05	I guess with that size of batteries, you can move them another 5mm towards camera	22:12
DocScrutinizer05	thus freeing up the antennae	22:12
DocScrutinizer05	anyway seems you could get ~4.5Ah like that, with mugen backcover	22:14
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ShadowJK	/me thought gsm/3g antenna was at the "bottom' near headphone and unlock slider	22:15
DocScrutinizer05	that's where the batteries cover stuff	22:16
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120715_004.jpg	22:16
DocScrutinizer05	but as mentioned seems there's some space left to camera to shift them up a bit, and also each battery itself has ~5mm 'useless' plastic frame that can get removed	22:17
trx	what's bellow? a metal frame?	22:18
DocScrutinizer05	the cell	22:18
DocScrutinizer05	so yes, metal	22:18
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Woody14619	ah... nm DocScrutinizer05. I see what you're doing now. :) Missed the part about the Mugen cover. So you're promoting 3 batteries.. one in standard and two side-ways.	23:15
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Woody14619	I thought you were suggesting a case mod, to replace the one battery with the two and retain a normal back cover.	23:16
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: some people who mustn't be named actually think there's a way to make two 18650 fit in a slightly larger version of the mugen backcover, by shifting things a bit	23:35
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ShadowJK	Some unnamed persons also want to create a bigger aluminium (iirc) back cover	23:40
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DocScrutinizer05	aluminium!!!	23:43
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DocScrutinizer05	I guess with that the batteries are the lesser problem for the antennae	23:43
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DocScrutinizer05	anyway 18650 iirc means 18mm diameter, 65mm length	23:52
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kerio	yeah, they're huge	23:53
kerio	but they also hold an insane amount of power	23:53
DocScrutinizer05	plus 2mm+ for cover, makes N900 almost as deep as it is high	23:53
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DocScrutinizer05	definitely you don't need any more kickstand ;-P	23:54
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kerio	yeah but... 6Ah!	23:55
kerio	(calibrating that is going to be really painful :D )	23:56
jaska	"what, you recharge your phone every week?"	23:56
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