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| Hurrian | alright, got RescueOS item in u-boot | 01:51 |
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| Hurrian | time to have some fun with fremantle. | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: sounds interesting | 01:53 |
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| Hurrian | meh, rescueos already comes with cpio initrd, all I had to do was fill in the .item file | 01:53 |
| Hurrian | I plan to copy the maemo roots to a partition, and build kernel-power with mmc support and removed mmc power management support | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think I can't follow | 01:54 |
| Hurrian | *mmc and ext4 support | 01:54 |
| Hurrian | s/roots/rootfs/ | 01:54 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: calibration script confirmed not flatbatrecovering | 03:05 |
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| Gear | is the n900 dying? | 05:02 |
| nox- | its on life support | 05:03 |
| wmarone__ | depends, does it still turn on? | 05:03 |
| nox- | :P | 05:03 |
| Gear | in some forums a lot of are turning them into dedicated pentesting devices | 05:03 |
| Gear | and not really using them as a main phone anymore | 05:03 |
| wmarone__ | well, that's what they're doing, I suppose | 05:04 |
| wmarone__ | I still use mine as a phone | 05:04 |
| Gear | me too, I bought another one for when my main one eventually dies | 05:04 |
| wmarone__ | heh | 05:05 |
| wmarone__ | I'm waiting to see what Jolla does | 05:05 |
| Gear | what's jolla? | 05:05 |
| wmarone__ | https://twitter.com/JollaMobile | 05:05 |
| nox- | i guess the main q is whill jolla use this aegis thing too? | 05:06 |
| nox- | -h | 05:06 |
| Gear | why am I looking at twitter | 05:06 |
| Gear | hey I was wondering if there are some repositories that I can add other than extras or extras devel | 05:07 |
| Gear | I mean extras testing | 05:08 |
| Gear | devel sort of doesn't work | 05:08 |
| Gear | or are they still the main ones | 05:09 |
| wmarone__ | Gear: because at this point twitter and linkedin are the primary points of communicatin for Jolla | 05:09 |
| wmarone__ | nox-: hopefully not | 05:09 |
| nox- | indeed | 05:10 |
| Gear | I can't talk in #electronics | 05:10 |
| nox- | i hope they realise their target users are geeks not $lusers... | 05:10 |
| nox- | and leave aegis and thelikes out | 05:11 |
| Gear | what's a $luser | 05:11 |
| nox- | somone who just uses stuff w/o caring how it works | 05:11 |
| LaoLang_cool | I hope Jolla will support N900 ;p | 05:11 |
| Gear | that's why the n9 sucks so much :( | 05:12 |
| Gear | only about 5% of anyone cares how anything works | 05:12 |
| nox- | that, and lack of kbd | 05:12 |
| nox- | Gear, yeah but those that dont buy iphones or android anyway | 05:12 |
| Gear | people who care how things work will hack the best devices regardless | 05:15 |
| Gear | but the n900 is the best phone ever | 05:15 |
| Gear | and there has to be a demand for something else like it sometime in the future | 05:16 |
| Gear | it's a requirement for most people to be able to at least use a computer | 05:17 |
| LaoLang_cool | Gear, n900 is far away from the best 'phone', it just is a super mini tablet | 05:17 |
| LaoLang_cool | Many basic phone functions is missing | 05:18 |
| Gear | it's the best device I can carry that will let me call and text and somewhat send pxts | 05:18 |
| Gear | are phones supposed to do more than that? | 05:19 |
| LaoLang_cool | It's a phone, not the best phone | 05:19 |
| LaoLang_cool | far away from betst | 05:20 |
| LaoLang_cool | s/betst/best/ | 05:20 |
| Gear | okey dokey | 05:20 |
| nox- | it does the job as a phone, its nice as a `small computer' | 05:21 |
| LaoLang_cool | yes | 05:21 |
| LaoLang_cool | exactly | 05:21 |
| Gear | it's the best pocket sized computer that also comes with a phone | 05:22 |
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| Mick_F | Hello everyone. Today I replaced my old lock password for my N900 with a new one.. and yes, I forgot it. I've searched around and the only technique I've found is to get the password hash over the terminal and crack it with some unix password cracker like JohnTheRipper | 05:29 |
| RST38h | You forgot extra "my" before "new one". | 05:29 |
| Mick_F | Problem is, the device is off, I can't even start it without the pass. I've tryed to reflash it using maemo flasher and the two images, and I can't still get rid of the pass.. | 05:30 |
| RST38h | But see here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 | 05:31 |
| Mick_F | I was wondering if there's some way to reach the filesystem over the usb cable (holding u key maybe?) to get at least the hash? Or some other known solution? | 05:31 |
| Mick_F | RST38h: true, I need to work on my English.. | 05:32 |
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| Mick_F | RST38h: and this thread is for people who can boot their phones without the code. As I described, I can't do it. | 05:37 |
| RST38h | You only need SSH access | 05:38 |
| RST38h | Apparently, SSH is already up when it is asking for the code | 05:38 |
| Mick_F | is this network over usb cable? | 05:43 |
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| RST38h | Obama for America campaign's new mobile app is raising privacy concerns with its Google map that recognizes one's current location, marks nearby Democratic households with small blue flags, and displays the first name, age and gender of the voter or voters who live there (e.g.,'Lori C., 58 F, Democrat'). | 06:00 |
| RST38h | Kristallnacht? THERE IS AN APP FOR THAT! | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awesome | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I saw that there's some Facebook app that is letter users link their friends with public voting records | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | so they can better target people who didn't vote D in previous elections. | 06:20 |
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| newbie007 | Greetings, maemo-mapper aka mappero has stopped working for me. I always get an error "Invalid source or destination". The GPS is on, gpsjinni seems to work, the supl server is set to supl.google.com (which I can ping) and I've tried setting the source to a non-gps value.... Any ideas? | 06:25 |
| newbie007 | also, if I'm allowed a second question. The N900 is by far the best phone I've ever had, I'm thinking about getting another, Would I be able to find a n950? What's the future of this phone? I'm cool with no-further development as long as I can continue to download the currently availalbe apps | 06:29 |
| nox- | the n950 was never sold so there are only very few of them | 06:30 |
| newbie007 | figured as much | 06:32 |
| newbie007 | do you think that the open-source-ness made the n900 a target ? | 06:33 |
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| nox- | a target for? | 06:47 |
| newbie007 | nox-: I would think that the powers that be would rather see a phone with backdoors rather than an opensource phone | 06:55 |
| nox- | oh | 06:56 |
| nox- | well theres enough closedsource stuff on maemo as well... | 06:56 |
| newbie007 | seems they always got the properity drivers for the screen just in case | 06:57 |
| nox- | or the cellmodem, or... | 06:58 |
| newbie007 | nvidia comes to mind | 06:59 |
| newbie007 | any idea about mappero | 06:59 |
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| jonwil | anyone around with a working N900 build environment? | 07:44 |
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| newbie007 | jonwil I had gotten it working on debian once a long time ago | 07:54 |
| jonwil | ok, I am mostly looking for someone who can compile something for me since my own build environment is out of action right now | 07:54 |
| newbie007 | sorry | 07:57 |
| jonwil | ok | 07:57 |
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| lartza_ | has someone fixed this already http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44439&page=19#186 | 11:58 |
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| kerio | how big is a bl-5j from nokia supposed to be? | 12:02 |
| StyXman | http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_BL-5J_battery | 12:04 |
| StyXman | Size: 60 mm x 38 mm x 5.5 mm | 12:04 |
| kerio | StyXman: heh, i meant in charge | 12:06 |
| kerio | i mean, capacity | 12:06 |
| StyXman | kerio: ah, no idea | 12:08 |
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| kerio | 1320mAh, it's on that wiki | 12:09 |
| jon_y | kerio: iirc 1250mAH | 12:09 |
| jon_y | or there abouts | 12:09 |
| jon_y | kerio: you working on a fast charger? | 12:09 |
| kerio | hm, mine is at 1313mAh | 12:10 |
| kerio | :) | 12:10 |
| jon_y | maybe it's time to stock up on it before it becomes a rarity | 12:11 |
| kerio | jon_y: 1320, says that wiki | 12:11 |
| kerio | and eventually i'll move to a dual scud or something | 12:12 |
| kerio | if i find a way of putting them | 12:12 |
| kerio | er | 12:12 |
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| kerio | if i find a way of putting two batteries in an otterbox | 12:12 |
| jaska | problem with stocking up on li-ion/lipoly is that they decay over time | 12:12 |
| jon_y | kerio: yeah, battery eye says 1200 on mine, its a bit old | 12:12 |
| jon_y | jaska: even if half charged? | 12:12 |
| kerio | jon_y: i calibrated bq27k like thrice in a row | 12:12 |
| jaska | slower half-charged in low-ish (not freezing).. but they still do | 12:12 |
| kerio | it's definetely accurate :) | 12:12 |
| jon_y | iirc most manufacturers store it at 50% charge | 12:12 |
| jon_y | kerio: DocScrutinizer05's script? | 12:13 |
| kerio | i thought the best way was 70% charge and in the freezer | 12:13 |
| kerio | jon_y: once manually and twice with that, yes | 12:13 |
| jon_y | what does the script actually do? | 12:13 |
| jon_y | and how long does a cycle take? | 12:13 |
| kerio | well, i usually run it after charging fully and once it's a bit empty | 12:14 |
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| jon_y | kerio: how long? complete discharge in 10 minutes? :) | 12:15 |
| jon_y | I made that happen once before, phone was flaming hot, some process got stuck in the background, phone not responding | 12:15 |
| jon_y | btw, anybody know if there are downsides to using the wifi injector drivers over the stock ones? | 12:16 |
| kerio | jon_y: more like 4-5 hours from full | 12:24 |
| kerio | it doesn't do anything to discharge | 12:24 |
| kerio | you're supposed to leave it with nothing open except for maybe the network connected (not offline mode) | 12:24 |
| kerio | and the backlight at level 5, always on | 12:24 |
| kerio | a constant-ish discharge is better for calibration | 12:25 |
| jon_y | ok, I might do that over the weekends, it won't cause a lowbat reboot right? | 12:25 |
| kerio | the injection drivers have crappy powersaving | 12:25 |
| kerio | especially in monitor mode | 12:25 |
| jon_y | what about over normal use? | 12:26 |
| kerio | bme won't reboot the phone if the charger is connected :) | 12:26 |
| kerio | eeh, i don't know | 12:26 |
| kerio | are the stock drivers bad in some way? | 12:26 |
| jon_y | nope, just too lazy to call the load/unload script :) | 12:26 |
| kerio | jon_y: it's supposed to be used overnight | 12:26 |
| jon_y | you mean the calibration script? | 12:27 |
| kerio | it (charges until vdq is 1, then )stops charging and waits for edv1 to turn on | 12:27 |
| kerio | then reenables charging | 12:27 |
| kerio | (it charges with bme, so no problems there) | 12:27 |
| jon_y | well, my n900 can't start properly if rebooted without my attention, but I still love it | 12:28 |
| kerio | hehe | 12:28 |
| jon_y | uboot won't start any of the kernels properly :( | 12:28 |
| kerio | your fault for using uboot | 12:29 |
| jon_y | yeah | 12:29 |
| kerio | why bother with anything except kp51, for the thumb workaround? | 12:29 |
| jon_y | I'm using kp51 | 12:29 |
| jon_y | I play a game of shuffling with the usb cable and flasher to start the phone | 12:29 |
| jon_y | takes a few tries, like an old car engine starting up | 12:30 |
| jon_y | n900 is still the goddamn best phone ever | 12:30 |
| kerio | hahahaha | 12:31 |
| kerio | and they say that tethered jailbreak of the iphone is bad | 12:31 |
| jon_y | I like it that way, it builds character, now get of my lawn :) | 12:32 |
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| vi_ | bl-5j was 1350. | 12:42 |
| vi_ | Recently nokia have updated it to 1450. | 12:42 |
| vi_ | You can aqcuire 'scud' batteries from china with 1500. | 12:42 |
| vi_ | However scud have started ripping themselves off with counterfeits of their own products and making the 1500 a 'new' product. | 12:43 |
| vi_ | china, never go full retard. | 12:43 |
| jon_y | ? | 12:44 |
| jon_y | so is it 1500mAH or not? | 12:44 |
| vi_ | which one? | 12:44 |
| jon_y | scud 1500s | 12:44 |
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| vi_ | Scud 'blue' USED to be 1500 back when they cost like $10 for 2. | 12:45 |
| vi_ | They then made the scud blue 1350 with all the same packaging as before without telling anyone. | 12:45 |
| jon_y | it even says 1500 on the packaging?? | 12:46 |
| vi_ | Then they introduced scud 'yellow' at like $20 for 2. | 12:46 |
| vi_ | The yellow was the 1500. | 12:46 |
| jon_y | ripoff | 12:46 |
| vi_ | like I said. They counterfeited their own product to try and make a short term gain. | 12:46 |
| vi_ | There are no words to describe how fucked that is. | 12:47 |
| jon_y | how much are Nokia's? | 12:47 |
| vi_ | I don't even know. | 12:47 |
| vi_ | $40 for a real one. | 12:47 |
| vi_ | $5 for a fake. | 12:47 |
| jon_y | fake ones come with smaller capacities? | 12:48 |
| vi_ | jon_y: You never know what you will get with a fake. | 12:48 |
| vi_ | generally smalelr capacity, yes. | 12:48 |
| jon_y | my brother bought a fake nokia battery once, it expanded and misshaped after charging :( | 12:48 |
| vi_ | kerio: of course monitor mode has no power saving. DERP. | 12:49 |
| vi_ | jon_y: lesson learned the hard way. | 12:49 |
| jon_y | well, I'm still using the original BL-5J from 2009 | 12:49 |
| jon_y | not sure if it's time to change | 12:49 |
| StyXman | I have two generic chinese batts. both had the plastic header, where the connectors are, detached from the body, and one has swollen to a point I refuse to put it in my n900 | 12:51 |
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| vi_ | fuck dat. | 12:51 |
| jon_y | :| | 12:52 |
| vi_ | protip: cheap batteries and flash memory are junk. | 12:53 |
| * StyXman takes note | 12:54 | |
| jonwil | when it comes to mobile devices, anything cheap is likely to be junk | 12:54 |
| jonwil | like someone selling a N900 front bezel for 5eur, it cant be genuine at that price | 12:54 |
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| jon_y | I bought a 4GB microSD for $6, works fine :) | 13:01 |
| ShadowJK_ | The Japod I got from dealextreme is still clocking in 1430mAh at 130 cycles of use | 13:01 |
| ShadowJK_ | It's amazing, it has lost less capacity than Original BL-5J's, and as a bonus, it started off much higher than the original BL-5J's too | 13:02 |
| jon_y | kerio: btw, should I recalibrate if I get a new battery? | 13:02 |
| jonwil | anyone here have a wireless network that supports WiFi protected setup? | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK_ | I do it just because I want to find out its capacity, and then after I do it every 10-20 cycles, and note down the capacity just to track how the battery is doing | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK_ | jonwil, I do | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK_ | but I don't know if I've used it | 13:04 |
| jonwil | ok | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK_ | iirc it asked about PINs or to press button on router, and I thought fuck that I'm not getting up from the couch, and just did normal WPA2 key instead | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK_ | :P | 13:05 |
| jon_y | ShadowJK_: does it actually affect the battery life? | 13:05 |
| jon_y | or does it calibrate the charging IC on the battery capacity? | 13:06 |
| ShadowJK_ | reclibrations and such does not change battery life at all | 13:06 |
| ShadowJK_ | and it does nothing at all to charging | 13:06 |
| jon_y | so, more accurate graphs on battery eye? | 13:07 |
| ShadowJK_ | No, battery eye uses the data provided by bme, and bme doesn't use the data provided by bq27200 (the charge metering chip) | 13:07 |
| ShadowJK_ | So it doesn't do anything at all to the default standard battery meters and battery apps | 13:07 |
| jonwil | basically I am trying to see if I can find someone who can connect a N900 to WiFi protected setup and log the dbus signals that get sent when you connect :) | 13:08 |
| ShadowJK_ | The N900 has 3.5 different battery meters. There's the bq27200, unused by default software. bme, which does its own metering. And the 3g modem, which also does its own, unused. The .5 is the "battery full" indicator when charging, this seems to run independently of both the charging chip and the bme battery meter. | 13:09 |
| jon_y | ok | 13:09 |
| jon_y | how is bq27200 different from bme? | 13:10 |
| jon_y | more accurate readings? | 13:10 |
| ShadowJK_ | Out of these, the bq27200, when properly calibrated, is the most accurate. bme can give a reasonable estimate most of the time even without any calibration, but it can also go very wrong | 13:10 |
| jon_y | where does the calibration data live? | 13:11 |
| ShadowJK_ | Another benefit of bq27200 is that we can get realtime power consumption data, on a 5 second by 5 second basis. With bme, we can sort of derive it, but the data arrives irregulary, sometimes hours in between. | 13:11 |
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| ShadowJK_ | It's inside the chip itself | 13:11 |
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| ShadowJK_ | The chip is actually designed to be a part of the battery itself, not designed to sit inside the phone.. Also, the chip is programmed with defaults that would be appropriate for a 2000mAh battery... so by default, it's way off in telling you how many % is left | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK_ | It's also designed to keep a track of battery capacity, as the battery ages.. This doesn't work too well either, because normally in a normal system, bme switches the device off before battery reaches the "empty" mark at which bq27200 would "learn" the capacity of the battery | 13:13 |
| ShadowJK_ | There are some cases where bme absolutely fails, like when you use a very large battery, like Estel's 3000mAh battery :P | 13:13 |
| jon_y | oh, I heard of that battery | 13:14 |
| jon_y | can't find it in retail stores | 13:14 |
| ShadowJK_ | No estel constructed his own | 13:14 |
| ShadowJK_ | Apart from DIY, there's an expensive 2400mAh "Mugen" battery | 13:15 |
| ShadowJK_ | Mugen probably doesn't have their stuff in any retail stores at all | 13:15 |
| ShadowJK_ | wow, time is running. Need to get ready for work | 13:16 |
| vi_ | FWIW the bq27x00 is not the charging controller chip. | 13:18 |
| jon_y | ShadowJK_: I thought I saw a giant N900 battery before | 13:23 |
| jon_y | it came with its own cover case, since the factory case wouldn't fit | 13:23 |
| jon_y | yeah, probably the Mugen battery | 13:23 |
| jon_y | vi_: just the monitoring chip? | 13:23 |
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| narcos | Hi all. Has anyone had luck upgrading wireshark/tshark on the maemo? | 13:26 |
| narcos | Version 1.2.6 is super old. | 13:26 |
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| sambo7 | Hi,nandtester here...wasn't able to recover my N900 yet-still waiting for my external usb charger to arrive | 14:38 |
| sambo7 | started with the coldflash process & display responded | 14:38 |
| sambo7 | since it's important that the battery is fully charged-what could happen in the worst case, if I start the recovery & the battery is not fully charged...can it get any worse that it is already? | 14:40 |
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| kerio | jon_y: note that calibrating bq27k will offer you no change in behavior regarding bme | 15:04 |
| kerio | bq27k data isn't actually used, you have to ask for it manually | 15:04 |
| jon_y | more like better estimation on how much battery life I have left? | 15:05 |
| kerio | eeh, i don't know | 15:05 |
| kerio | bme is really stupid | 15:05 |
| kerio | it thinks it knows better than anyone else | 15:05 |
| jon_y | bme doesn't know anything other than the default Nokia batteries? | 15:06 |
| kerio | bme doesn't know anything, period | 15:07 |
| kerio | bq27200 is actually a pretty fucking good battery meter | 15:07 |
| sambo7 | Hi,nandtester here...wasn't able to recover my N900 yet-still waiting for my external usb charger to arrive | 15:08 |
| sambo7 | started with the coldflash process & display responded | 15:08 |
| kerio | sambo7: ohai | 15:08 |
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| sambo7 | since it's important that the battery is fully charged-what could happen in the worst case, if I start the recovery & the battery is not fully charged...can it get any worse that it already is? | 15:08 |
| kerio | sambo7: i doubt you can make it *worse* | 15:09 |
| kerio | but hey, it could | 15:09 |
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| sambo7 | don't want to risk that it gets even worse,because I have hope now | 15:09 |
| jon_y | kerio: bme just measures by the voltage? | 15:09 |
| kerio | jon_y: there's actually some calibration data stored in CAL i believe | 15:09 |
| jon_y | CAL? | 15:10 |
| Lava_Croft | sambo7: i had to buy a DT-33 to get my N900 batteries charged | 15:10 |
| Lava_Croft | since I emptied them:< | 15:10 |
| kerio | jon_y: /dev/mtd1 | 15:10 |
| kerio | "config" | 15:10 |
| Lava_Croft | iirc you can flash/recover whatever fine with a 50% battery level | 15:10 |
| jon_y | Lava_Croft: flatbatrecover not helping? | 15:10 |
| Lava_Croft | jon_y: no idea that existed, im talking about a year ago now:) | 15:10 |
| Lava_Croft | and DT-33 looks so cute | 15:10 |
| jon_y | kerio: flash mtd? | 15:10 |
| kerio | flatbatrecovery won't help you if you bork the booting at the same time as you discharge the battery | 15:10 |
| Lava_Croft | too bad the N9 comes with a shit battery solution | 15:11 |
| kerio | jon_y: yeah, it's one of the "partitions" of the mtd | 15:11 |
| sambo7 | I ordered an external usb charger but I guess, it will take some more days till it's here | 15:11 |
| Lava_Croft | sambo7: you ordered DT-33? | 15:11 |
| Lava_Croft | as in, Nokia external battery charger? | 15:11 |
| Lava_Croft | N900 cannot charge batteries if it isnt booted | 15:11 |
| jon_y | Lava_Croft: I remembered a colleague of mine used a deliberately lower voltage to fool the charger into charging a very dead battery | 15:12 |
| Lava_Croft | jon_y: i also heard about people using other Nokia and some cheap hacking to charge the BL5J | 15:12 |
| jon_y | not sure if the same trick can work with any external chargers | 15:12 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 15:12 |
| Lava_Croft | but DT-33 was cheap and it charges just about any Nokia battery, so meh | 15:12 |
| Lava_Croft | easy solution:) | 15:12 |
| jon_y | I might get one too :) | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | i have 4 N900 batteries, so having a few charging and a few discharging is quite handy indeed | 15:13 |
| jon_y | is it easy to get? | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | yup | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | i ordered it at the store i always use | 15:13 |
| jon_y | from any Nokia dealer? | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | its a stock nokia thing, i bet its easy to get a hold of | 15:13 |
| Lava_Croft | or any non-nokia dealer, as long as they sell it:) | 15:13 |
| jon_y | hmm, hopefully its not gray market goods, it can get hard | 15:14 |
| kerio | anyway, i have a 32gb sandisk microsd | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | just google for Nokia DT-33 site:[your country's TLD] | 15:14 |
| kerio | :D | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | kerio: 64gb here:) | 15:14 |
| kerio | :c | 15:14 |
| kerio | *micro*sd? | 15:14 |
| kerio | neat | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | unmarked shit thing | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | yes | 15:14 |
| kerio | haha | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | im not using it | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | i got it for free | 15:14 |
| sambo7 | the one I ordered is BL-5J BP-6MT | 15:14 |
| Lava_Croft | i think a tape recorder is faster | 15:14 |
| kerio | even a sandisk mobile ultra 64gb is awful | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | sambo7: that sounds like it only charges BL5J's | 15:15 |
| kerio | (for random writes, which is what matters for swap) | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | kerio: i use an 8gb one now, works fine | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | its not like the N900 has a lack of storage:) | 15:15 |
| kerio | i'm actually going to modify the ereswap script to toggle between... idk, two 4gb swap partitions | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont even use ereswap | 15:15 |
| kerio | that leaves me 23gb | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | i just use my own simple bash shit | 15:15 |
| sambo7 | http://www.ebay.de/itm/BL-5J-BP-6MT-Akku-Ladegeraet-Nokia-5800-5230-N81-N82-/270707829280#ht_4990wt_1141 | 15:15 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: ereswap is a simple bash shit :) | 15:15 |
| Lava_Croft | i know | 15:16 |
| jon_y | eh, I use sshfs :) | 15:16 |
| Lava_Croft | sambo7: wtf | 15:16 |
| jon_y | granted access is sloooow | 15:16 |
| Lava_Croft | cancel order | 15:16 |
| Lava_Croft | if you are going to spend money on external charger, really get a DT-33 | 15:16 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: on the other hand, 3€ | 15:16 |
| jon_y | I have 4TBs to my n900 | 15:16 |
| kerio | jon_y: hahaha | 15:16 |
| kerio | put swap there! | 15:16 |
| jon_y | :) | 15:16 |
| Lava_Croft | http://blog.mytrendyphone.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/nokia-battery-charging-stand-dt-33.png | 15:16 |
| Lava_Croft | look how cute! | 15:16 |
| Lava_Croft | and you can rotate the top 45degrees | 15:17 |
| Lava_Croft | and other nokia batteries will fit then | 15:17 |
| jon_y | its like a card holder! | 15:17 |
| sambo7 | Actually I don't like other Nokia phones...so I don't need a charger for other Nokia devices;-) | 15:18 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 15:19 |
| Lava_Croft | i like nokia quality tho | 15:19 |
| jon_y | is $10 overpriced for a DT-33? | 15:20 |
| Lava_Croft | i paid about 8e orso | 15:21 |
| Lava_Croft | so not really i guess | 15:21 |
| jon_y | ok, thanks | 15:21 |
| jon_y | postage costs about 50% :| | 15:22 |
| sambo7 | you can get it in Germany on ebay for 12€ - no postage costs | 15:22 |
| jon_y | I live on the other side of the world though | 15:23 |
| jon_y | well, in East Asia | 15:24 |
| jon_y | Hong Kong Sellers on eBay are plentiful enough though | 15:25 |
| sambo7 | 9,30$+4,20$ from hongkong | 15:26 |
| jon_y | sambo7: there is a seperate adapter for the charger? | 15:29 |
| Lava_Croft | jon_y: no | 15:29 |
| Lava_Croft | you need one of those standard nokia chargers | 15:29 |
| Lava_Croft | of which anyone i know has at least 10 of | 15:29 |
| sambo7 | found a disassembled N900 with a damaged display for 45€..but decided not to get that one, because I feel confident that mine will work again | 15:29 |
| jon_y | Lava_Croft: I mean, does the charger need a wall wart to plug into? | 15:30 |
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| kerio | goddammit i hate fdisk | 15:30 |
| Lava_Croft | you mean a power plug? | 15:30 |
| Lava_Croft | yes | 15:30 |
| kerio | and i hate this compatibility bullshit | 15:31 |
| Lava_Croft | it cannot draw power from thin air:< | 15:31 |
| kerio | what do you guys use for partitioning? | 15:31 |
| Lava_Croft | cfdisk on a linux distro | 15:31 |
| Lava_Croft | on my desktop PC | 15:31 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: oh you | 15:31 |
| jon_y | Lava_Croft: the eBay listings don't come with a wall wart :( | 15:31 |
| kerio | meh, i'll install cfdisk | 15:31 |
| jon_y | can't charge without a plug to begin with | 15:31 |
| Lava_Croft | jon_y: they dont | 15:32 |
| Lava_Croft | but those nokia chargers, heh | 15:32 |
| Lava_Croft | i bet anyone is willing to give you to them for free | 15:32 |
| Lava_Croft | before they hang themselves with it | 15:32 |
| Lava_Croft | i have about 12 of those things orso | 15:32 |
| Lava_Croft | i never even owned 12 nokias | 15:33 |
| Lava_Croft | its like dvd drives orso | 15:33 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont know where the heck they come from, but the accumulate in my closet | 15:33 |
| Lava_Croft | they* | 15:33 |
| jon_y | they breed like rabids in there? | 15:33 |
| jon_y | you have a DT-33 farm in your closet? | 15:33 |
| jon_y | :) | 15:33 |
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| StyXman | like rabid rabbits? | 15:41 |
| jon_y | yeah | 15:41 |
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| Lava_Croft | jon_y: no, i mean the chargers for phones | 15:42 |
| Lava_Croft | the one you need to power the actual dt-33 | 15:42 |
| Lava_Croft | those standard nokia chargers with a small round plug | 15:43 |
| jon_y | oh, the ancient thingamabobs | 15:43 |
| Lava_Croft | they arent ancient | 15:43 |
| Lava_Croft | at all | 15:43 |
| jon_y | same one since 31xx? | 15:43 |
| jacekowski | no | 15:44 |
| jacekowski | it was bigger back then | 15:44 |
| jacekowski | then it shrunk | 15:44 |
| jon_y | there was one bigger than the 3310 charger? | 15:44 |
| jacekowski | no | 15:44 |
| jacekowski | 3310 was the big one | 15:44 |
| jacekowski | and then there was smaller one used by like N8 or N95 | 15:44 |
| jon_y | ok, might be hard to find it | 15:45 |
| jacekowski | converter that came with n900 is taking those smaller plugs | 15:45 |
| kerio92 | how do i make ke-recv mount something? | 15:46 |
| jon_y | heh, actually, you could draw power out of thin air, though any minute/tiny draw will alert the radio broadcast groups | 15:46 |
| kerio92 | hm, ke-recv-test cb | 15:46 |
| kerio92 | neat | 15:46 |
| kerio92 | no, doesn't work D: | 15:47 |
| kerio92 | meh | 15:48 |
| Lava_Croft | jon_y: :) | 15:49 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Is the NemoMobile porting to n900? | 15:50 |
| jon_y | Lava_Croft: well, for every action, there is a reaction, likewise for radio power draw :) | 15:50 |
| LaoLang_cool | I'm reading http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85905 | 15:50 |
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| kerio | hrmpf, i suck at shell scripting :c | 16:03 |
| kerio | i need to toggle between two swap partitions if there's a need to | 16:03 |
| kerio | saving iostat data somewhere | 16:03 |
| kerio | halp | 16:03 |
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| kerio | should i do this with python, i wonder? | 16:04 |
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| kerio | where does iostat data come from? | 16:05 |
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| jon_y | kerio: for i in /dev/mmc1p*; do mkdir -p /media/$i && mount /dev/$i /media/$i; done? | 16:06 |
| jon_y | oh, swap | 16:06 |
| kerio | jon_y: no, i wanted the "official" mounting | 16:06 |
| kerio | for mmc1 | 16:06 |
| kerio | but that's less important, i don't really care | 16:07 |
| jon_y | I need more sleep | 16:07 |
| jon_y | mkswap && swapon | 16:07 |
| kerio | i want a script that swaps (sic!) swap partitions when it's useful to | 16:07 |
| jon_y | swapoff before disconnecting it | 16:07 |
| jon_y | swapoff /dev/<emmc part> | 16:08 |
| jon_y | well, you could poll for an mmc insert | 16:08 |
| jon_y | or dbus | 16:08 |
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| kerio | no, i just want to toggle between two partitions on my sd | 16:09 |
| kerio | i have a bigass one, i want to use it :) | 16:09 |
| jon_y | hmm, I'm sure there are cpan modules :) | 16:09 |
| kerio | reswap/ereswap, by default, use a backup partition to do the deswapping/reswapping | 16:09 |
| kerio | i just want to move between the two, because i can | 16:09 |
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| jon_y | well, modules to probe partition size | 16:11 |
| kerio | jon_y: nah, you just need to grep/awk the output of iostat for that | 16:11 |
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| kerio | meh, i don't know how to shellscript :c | 16:14 |
| * jon_y never liked shell scripting | 16:15 | |
| jon_y | too fragile | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, I always found shellscripts to work most cross-platform, OSrev independant and the easiest to fix IF sth goes awry | 16:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i have 32gb of µSD :D | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most likely all your linux even boots on shellscripts (well, not exactly anymore in days of upstart and systemd) | 16:39 |
| kerio | hm, what's the best way to "iw reg set JP" at boot time and every time the stock drivers are loaded? | 16:39 |
| kerio | (i assume the injection drivers don't have a region problem) | 16:39 |
| kerio | hm, there's definetely *something* that changed the regulatory domain from US to EU here | 16:41 |
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| vi_ | kerio: You do not want JP, you want EU. | 16:42 |
| kerio | why? | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-08-06 15:07:25] <kerio> i want a script that swaps (sic!) swap partitions when it's useful to))) go for ShadowJK_'s reswap.sh | 16:42 |
| kerio | isn't JP even better? | 16:42 |
| vi_ | because JP has power restrictions on 12+13 | 16:42 |
| vi_ | n900 hardware does not go to 14. | 16:43 |
| vi_ | therefore JP is pointless. | 16:43 |
| kerio | k | 16:43 |
| vi_ | unless of course you want to comply with the law when you are in JP of course. | 16:43 |
| kerio | meh, the fact that they default to US kinda sucks for me | 16:44 |
| kerio | i can update cleven's script, but i'm not sure about mobilehotspot | 16:44 |
| vi_ | US sucks for everyone. | 16:44 |
| vi_ | Especially if you are even a little bit brown. | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errrr wut? | 16:44 |
| kerio | oh you | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a hw that doesn't go to chan14? | 16:45 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: N900 will not go to channel 14 | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FFS | 16:45 |
| Corsac | maybe the firmware more than the hw | 16:45 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: reswap.sh/ereswap only allow you to refresh the swap by disabling/enabling the same partition | 16:45 |
| kerio | i want to move between two partitions | 16:45 |
| kerio | because i can | 16:45 |
| Corsac | I bough a laptop in the US few years ago, and I think it has some hardcoded limitations in the wireless card which forced me to the US bands :( | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: incorrect | 16:46 |
| vi_ | Corsac: Suck it down you communist. | 16:46 |
| vi_ | USA! | 16:46 |
| vi_ | USA! | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | last I looked reswap.sh switched between two swap partitions | 16:46 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, it checks /root/reswap.stat to see if there's a need to reswap - if so, it enables mmc swap, disables sd swap, updates reswap.stat, enables sd swap, disables mmc swap | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything else was nonsense anyway, as you can't simply swapoff without prior providing a spare swap | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: exactly | 16:48 |
| kerio | i want to check if i have to defragment the swap, write stats for mmcblk1p3, enable mmcblk1p3, disable mmcblk1p2 | 16:48 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer05: oh? why? | 16:48 |
| kerio | and then, much later, check if i have to defragment mmcblk1p3, write stats for mmcblk1p2, enable mmcblk1p2, disable mmcblk1p3 | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Corsac: what wiill your processes do that use the swap? | 16:48 |
| Corsac | the kernel will move what it can to ram | 16:49 |
| Corsac | and OOM the rest :) | 16:49 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i want to actually move between two partitions | 16:49 |
| kerio | Corsac: oh you :) | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: the nice part about shellscripts, you adapt it in 5 min | 16:49 |
| Corsac | the linux kernel is surely able to handle swapoff, though I'm not sure how it's handled on n900 | 16:49 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but i'm crap at writing shellscripts | 16:50 |
| kerio | Corsac: it does exactly that | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Corsac: that's what I meant though | 16:50 |
| kerio | but OOM killing stuff is... less than ideal | 16:50 |
| Corsac | ohh.. | 16:50 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it would be a lot more fragile, sadly :c | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Corsac: btw the behaviour of swapoff is undefined (as in specs) regarding that, either it never comes back until all swapped out of the swap partition, or it simply fails when it can't free the swap. And OOM isn't really any part of that manpage either | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OR swapoff comes back immediately no matter if swap got freed and unlinked or not | 16:52 |
| kerio | can tac reverse a file inplace? | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: is jodl a truple? | 16:54 |
| kerio | alfred jodl? | 16:54 |
| Corsac | kerio: I don't think cat can, so I wouldn't bet on tac | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | up to you - while I try figuring out what's tac | 16:55 |
| Corsac | tac is the reverse of cat :) | 16:55 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: like cat, but in reverse | 16:55 |
| kerio | :D | 16:55 |
| kerio | part of gnu coreutils | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: so your question is mere nonsense, since not a single filter is meant to work on own input, in unix | 16:56 |
| kerio | hm | 16:56 |
| kerio | k :c | 16:56 |
| Corsac | wut? | 16:57 |
| Corsac | kerio: not that if you have moreutils you can use sponge | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tail -n10 foo >foo | 16:58 |
| kerio | that just kills foo, right? | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will NOT give you last 10 lines of foo | 16:59 |
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| kerio | because sh will open it before tail is even started | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sed you have special parameter -i for that | 16:59 |
| BCMM | wonder what tail -f foo >> foo would do... | 17:03 |
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| kerio | i'm feeling stupid now - "if grep -q mmcblk1 /proc/swaps" will enter the "then" block if there's *no* mmcblk1 in /proc/swaps, right? | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BCMM: obviously explode your fs | 17:05 |
| kerio | no, i *am* stupid | 17:05 |
| BCMM | yes, that would make sense | 17:05 |
| kerio | nevermind | 17:05 |
| dump_01 | hi ppl! my n900 reboots unexpectedly every time i open back cover. how to investigate this? | 17:06 |
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| kerio | dump_01: are you doing something with the sd? | 17:07 |
| kerio | i mean, have you installed something important there? | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you've put some important file/partition on the uSD | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | probably swap ;-P | 17:08 |
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| dump_01 | kerio: yep, it's not standart formated | 17:08 |
| kerio | dump_01: is your swap there? | 17:08 |
| dump_01 | yeah, swap is on sd | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, what was your question? XD | 17:08 |
| dump_01 | thanx, now i know the source :) | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth like "why does my PC reboot when I unplug the HDD?" ? | 17:09 |
| dump_01 | lol | 17:09 |
| kerio | dump_01: removing the backcover actually cuts data coming from/to the uSD | 17:09 |
| kerio | which is fucking stupid | 17:09 |
| kerio | but hey, stupid users can't be expected to learn what "unmount" is | 17:09 |
| dump_01 | kerio: is there a way to prevent it? or it is hardware based | 17:10 |
| kerio | hardware based, i think | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, stupid Nokia, they could have built a electric lock to the backcover ;-P | 17:10 |
| kerio | some silly people glue a tiny magnet on the sensor | 17:10 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you think the backcover sensor can be tricked in a software way? | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | low level mmc driver built-in property | 17:11 |
| dump_01 | kerio: thats nice. where is that stupid sensor? | 17:11 |
| kerio | hrmpf, does iostat use MB or MiB? i can't figure it out | 17:11 |
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| kerio | dump_01: check the actual backcover, there's a tiny magnet there | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so answer is "of course, when you rebuild the mmc kernel module" | 17:12 |
| kerio | or look on TMO | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | low level mmc driver built-in property | 17:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, stupid Nokia, they could have built a electric lock to the backcover ;-P | 17:12 |
| kerio | neat, why hasn't anyone changed that yet? | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because it's actually a semi-sane thing | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask pali to get a parameter for KP | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably in mmc_core.ko | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also mcheck out ke-recv-test | 17:15 |
| kerio | hm | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's probably not exactly trivial to neuter in a sane way | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too many subsystems involved | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course you can try some hackery around /sys/class/GPIO | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | redefine the pin that connects to the hall-sensor/reed-switch to be OUT, then set to the level that meets your needs | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might fail due to "GPIO occupied" or sth | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you can come up with a nice solution like that, I suggest appname "virtual magnet" | 17:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the very first 4 syslog lines relevant: | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Aug 6 16:33:42 t900 kernel: [ 8729.865753] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Aug 6 16:33:43 t900 ke_recv[1316]: prop_modified:1889: udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_mmci_omap_hs_0_mmc_host modified button.state.value | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Aug 6 16:33:43 t900 kernel: [ 8730.176025] mmc0: card e624 removed | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Aug 6 16:33:43 t900 ke_recv[1316]: event_in_cover_closed:1209: E_OPENED for ext-MMC | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so not even on kernel level it's handled like a normal "switch" | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which makes /sys/class/GPIO approach questionable | 17:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 notices t900 sysclock is way too fast | 17:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# uptime | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 16:38:44 up 128 days, 17:34, load average: 0.06, 0.09, 0.03 | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 10 min ahead in 128 days (given I set the clock correctly when I booted last time) | 17:29 |
| kerio | yay, i have a "doubleswap" script now | 17:30 |
| kerio | oh my god, double swap all the way | 17:30 |
| kerio | :D | 17:30 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: NASA's Official Mars Landing Video Got Taken Off YouTube Over Bogus Copyright Claims | 17:34 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: link? | 17:35 |
| kerio | if anyone is interested: https://pastee.org/ury4n | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YAY, card_detect is a line of mmc-interface | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they made smooth touchdown, RST38h? | 17:37 |
| kerio | i wonder if it's worth publishing somewhere | 17:38 |
| kerio | probably not | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: card_detect is GPIO160 | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: gpio160 already there in /sys/class/gpio/ | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you might try to do what I toldya, redefine gpio as OUT, set level to the one of "backcover closed" | 17:40 |
| RST38h | Doc: Yeah, watched it last night | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: beware! I'm not taking responsibility of ANY hw damage resulting from that | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: nice | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Doc: The people in the control center went bonkers over this | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess as much | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 7 minutes of terror were enough of suspense for them | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now we got a Mitsubishi on Mars, nice | 17:43 |
| jonwil | The video take-down is an example of why the balance is tipped too far in favor of the content producers. | 17:43 |
| jonwil | The whole automated content removal BS is the problem | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope nasa.gov will have the video still | 17:43 |
| jonwil | aparently it got put back up | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 17:44 |
| jonwil | once NASA complained | 17:44 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 goes youtubing (is that the right word analog to "googling"?) | 17:45 | |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I wonder if they made there mars lander with imperial parts? | 17:46 |
| jonwil | it was never removed from NASA.gov nor would it be | 17:46 |
| vi_ | ^their | 17:46 |
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| vi_ | If so, it will be a bitch to get spare parts. | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: ooh, mars gasstations only have imperial parts | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Satellite's gone way up to Mars | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Soon it will be filled with parking cars | 17:49 |
| vi_ | Did the Americans make their part of the ISS with imperial parts? | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/parking/broken/ | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafq infobot!! | 17:49 |
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| vi_ | wow, it is. | 17:50 |
| vi_ | Fucking retards. | 17:50 |
| jonwil | but yeah YouTube should never have bowed down to the content producers and introduced the automatic content blocking, they should have stuck to the letter of the law and manually removed things only when asked to by the copyright holder, i.e. a human being having to review every removal request before the content is removed | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: I guess they pondered that, but found they could neither find nor pay that number of staff they'd need for accomplishing this task | 18:04 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if they (NASA) took the opportunity to observe seismic event of SkyCrane inpact on Mars surface | 18:06 | |
| jonwil | it would depend if they had a seismograph handy to take the measurements | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | curiosity might have one on board, possibly even just g-meters in the wheels | 18:08 |
| jonwil | quite possible | 18:09 |
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| jonwil | if there is (or was) life on mars, I bet the NASA guys will do whatever it takes to find it | 18:10 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders asking NASA/ESA if there's maybe a vacancy for Senior Negatron | 18:12 | |
| jonwil | Still nothing yet on fixing my N900 (the damage is only minor, I need a new "A Cover Assy" and a new "A Cover Framing" | 18:15 |
| jonwil | Place that quoted and told me they could fix it said today they are having trouble sourcing the frame parts | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 18:16 |
| jonwil | but that they had some more leads to try | 18:16 |
| jonwil | Google finds plenty of sites listing the exact parts for sale | 18:16 |
| jonwil | but there is the question of whether those parts are legit or fake | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, prolly they looked in the outback for it | 18:16 |
| jonwil | especially when they are being sold for as low as 5E | 18:16 |
| jonwil | anyone selling a part like that for such a low price is automatically suspicious | 18:17 |
| jonwil | especially if they also have LCD assemblies for about 30E | 18:17 |
| jonwil | or back covers for 10E | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I bought quite definitely original bare PCB for ~7EUR | 18:18 |
| jonwil | hmmm maybe they arent dodgy | 18:18 |
| jonwil | I will wait the 10 days the guy told me to wait | 18:18 |
| jonwil | then go back in and see what they say | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 18:18 |
| jonwil | worst that happens is I will get my deposit back | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | always think "would it look like a business model to fake those parts?" | 18:19 |
| jonwil | Yeah I bet there is little money in faking N900 front bezels | 18:20 |
| jonwil | now iPhone front bezels on the other hand would be worth faking | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a friggin plastic frame @ 5$ it probably would | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same for front bezel which probably costs like 2ct production in China, and sales are possibly high enough | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for LCD the calculation is way more difficult, as you have to find existing cheap parts you could rework | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no use in building all new fake LCD | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or is there? | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in China they can do things in a economically sensible way you never even would think about they could be done at all | 18:23 |
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| jonwil | hmmm yeah | 18:26 |
| jonwil | If these guys cant find the parts it might be worth looking into finding someone with totally broken N900 (e.g. broken USB port, broken screen, whatever) and buying one to salvage the bezel parts from | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they might mill the front bezel from massive steel blocks second mined from e.g. tanks, by hand | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in China | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sell @ 5EUR and still make a bargain from it | 18:27 |
| jonwil | I have no idea what the going rate on broken N900s is these days | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | working used ones are ~100EUR | 18:28 |
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| jonwil | I bet the going rate for one with a broken USB or a broken screen would be much lower then | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so no way you pay more than 50 bucks for a defect one | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are always fools selling parts of broken used ones for way more than the whole broken device is worth, and also they find buying fools. | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's normal for all spare part market | 18:30 |
| jonwil | lots of people on ebay selling new screens and touchpanels | 18:30 |
| Azog | i am trying to run mtkbabel, but it needs libdevice-serialport-perl. unfortunately i have problems with the sdk and perl. does someone have this package? | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | get a defect Mercedes 500 for 4k, sell engine for 2k, seats for 500 each, and the rest for 3k ;-P | 18:31 |
| jacekowski | that's what people do | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or remove outer mirrors and sell for 250 each, then the glass windows for 100 each, the doors for 500 each, the motor lid and storage lid for 300 | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and still sell the rest for 2.5k | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Azog: sorry, all gibberish to me | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Azog: only known word: perl | 18:35 |
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| Azog | maybe http://paste.debian.net/182407 explains it a bit better | 18:43 |
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| kerio | ok, i changed the name of my script to swapswap | 19:36 |
| kerio | and now it has a -f switch | 19:36 |
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| kerio | is someone interested? | 19:40 |
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| StyXman | kerio: does what? | 19:59 |
| StyXman | (sorry I'm late) | 19:59 |
| kerio | StyXman: "toggles" between two swap partitions when it has to | 20:00 |
| kerio | like reswap/ereswap, but it moves stuff just once, each time | 20:00 |
| kerio | i'm using two 4gb partitions on the sd | 20:00 |
| StyXman | nice | 20:02 |
| StyXman | I say put it up with an explanation to what it does in t.m.o | 20:02 |
| kerio | maybe in the ereswap thread | 20:02 |
| kerio | someone was asking for something like this | 20:02 |
| StyXman | ... and point me to it 'cause I'm not a t.m.o reader :-P | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK_: kerio: just in case you're interested: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_chargefloat2_log | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: WAIT WUT? 4GB swap? | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | insane | 20:04 |
| kerio | haters gonna hate | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gonna hate the 15min your reswap process will take | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | during which device is unresponsive basically | 20:05 |
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| kerio | lolnope | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the 768k original swap are rather to the upper end | 20:06 |
| r00t|home | 768k? ;) enough for everyone? | 20:07 |
| kerio | why would it need to read the whole 4gb? | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since device can't really handle it when they got used | 20:07 |
| kerio | it just needs to read the used space | 20:07 |
| kerio | i made them 4gb so i don't need to reswap too often | 20:07 |
| kerio | and i can afford it | 20:07 |
| kerio | 23gb vfat, 4gb swap, 4gb swap | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | used space = max swapsize (with gaps), otherwise criterion for fragmentation and thus reswap not kicking in | 20:08 |
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| kerio | yeah but you don't need to swapoff the gaps :) | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you (the kernel) needs to read the chunks containing the used fragments anyway | 20:09 |
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| kerio | so? | 20:09 |
| kerio | it would do that regardless of the swap size | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and swap meta data (tables) grow proportional to real max swapsize | 20:10 |
| kerio | meh | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you don't get it, eh? kernel needs to read 4GB anyway when you swapoff a 4GB swap, no matter how many bytes >0 out of each page got used | 20:11 |
| kerio | ...wat | 20:11 |
| kerio | why? | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because that's how flash works | 20:11 |
| kerio | it's a uSD | 20:11 |
| kerio | it's a perfect block device | 20:12 |
| kerio | what it does internally is none of my business | 20:12 |
| kerio | i have good random reads and good random writes | 20:12 |
| kerio | well, it has | 20:12 |
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| kerio | besides, this is all assuming i make it to 4gb of written swap without rebooting | 20:13 |
| kerio | :) | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you have 5 times as many fragments to read as on a 768k swap. And temporarily 10 times as much metadata (tables) in RAM | 20:14 |
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| kerio | and i have like a week before i have to reswap | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so what's the practical use of all this then? | 20:17 |
| kerio | besides, idk what to do with all this space :D | 20:17 |
| kerio | a week is a lot | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fill RAM with swap allocation tables? | 20:18 |
| kerio | ok, give me a size then | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 * 512k | 20:18 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: you mean m, not k, no? | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since, as already mentioned, the 768k probably were over the top already, to do what you did: reduce fragmentation by increasing swapsize | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M, yeah | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 20:19 |
| kerio | with 512M i'd have to defragment the swap *a lot* | 20:20 |
| kerio | i mean, often | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what your defrag script is all about, no? | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it's fast, it's also painless | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it will be fast on 512M | 20:21 |
| kerio | it's fast now too | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | only because you haven't really *used* any significant part of your insane 4GB | 20:21 |
| kerio | hm :( | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once you got a fragmented 4GB swap, reswap will take ages. That's what I try to tell you since... 30min? | 20:22 |
| kerio | i just don't get why | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also for each GB of swap, you need like maybe 1MB of RAM borne metadata in swaptables etc | 20:23 |
| kerio | if i have 50mb of used swap, why can't i swapoff it by reading 50mb? | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if your swap is fragmented, you have chunks of data scattered all over the place of your whole 4GB | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no more nice sequential reads | 20:25 |
| kerio | so it's a matter of random reads | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why fragmentation is evil, first place | 20:25 |
| kerio | joke's on you, my usd sucks at sequential reads | 20:25 |
| kerio | uSD | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet it sucks more on randon reads | 20:25 |
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| kerio | only because there's no ram uSD! | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also mere OS IO calls explode | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mind you, swap can't really get cached | 20:27 |
| kerio | oh really | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since that's using RAM the swap is meant to *free*, not use for buffers/cache | 20:27 |
| kerio | yeah, i figured :) | 20:28 |
| kerio | but... i like my 4gb of swap :( | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so each of your zillion 256byte chunks to read from fragmented swap is an own IO op | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (well maybe 4k chunks) | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno what's swap pagesize | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a system with 256MB RAM it's for sure not 512k pages | 20:29 |
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| kerio | so your advice is to use 512M partitions? | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:30 |
| kerio | meh, can do | 20:30 |
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| kerio | but this µSD is huge! what am i supposed to do with the rest of it? | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | give it to the poor | 20:34 |
| kerio | i need more music | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or get some decent p0rn | 20:34 |
| kerio | but... there's the internet... | 20:35 |
| kerio | hm, good point, there could be no coverage | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I use mine as player for DrHouse avi, to my TV | 20:35 |
| kerio | when is /tmp mounted? | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | during boot | 20:36 |
| kerio | before or after the swapon in rcS-late? | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 20:36 |
| kerio | it's all "boot", technically | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite probably after | 20:37 |
| kerio | hm, it refers to /tmp before | 20:37 |
| kerio | but i don't know if it's *the* tmp | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swapon should be rather early | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tmp/ isn't supposed to change during a system uptime | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there might already be processes having pipes and whatnot there | 20:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: /tmp/ is mounted as a tmpfs right after proc and sysfs, in preinit | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since a lot of stuff, also during boot, needs it | 20:39 |
| kerio | hm, i wonder if /tmp/reswap.stat is a good location | 20:39 |
| kerio | oh well, it's good enough | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check FHS if curious (not that Nokia ever even heard of that) | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds absolutely sane to me | 20:40 |
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| kerio | is "test -e /tmp/reswap.stat || echo 0 > /tmp/reswap.stat" idiomatic? | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks like | 20:47 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: by 512M you mean 512MiB right? | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever you like | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MB MiB MaB MuB | 20:50 |
| kerio | hm, concurrent sd+emmc access is still slow as fuck | 20:54 |
| kerio | (using emmc swap) | 20:54 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK_: why isn't that the default? | 22:12 |
| kerio | bad effects for leaving it like that all the time? | 22:12 |
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| jon_y | hey guys, why is the new kp51 wifi injection driver installed to /opt instead of /lib/modules? | 23:36 |
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| Hurrian | jon_y, injection was never in /lib/modules | 23:55 |
| Hurrian | it's being kept out of inline kernel-power build because of power-saving mode issues | 23:56 |
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| jon_y | Hurrian: ok | 23:58 |
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| jon_y | I was just wondering if it made advanced interface switcher not able to switch to the injection drivers over the stock drivers | 23:59 |
| Hurrian | AIS just needs to be updated for the new path | 23:59 |
| jon_y | or a symlink? | 23:59 |
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