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Hurrianalright, got RescueOS item in u-boot01:51
Hurriantime to have some fun with fremantle.01:51
DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: sounds interesting01:53
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Hurrianmeh, rescueos already comes with cpio initrd, all I had to do was fill in the .item file01:53
HurrianI plan to copy the maemo roots to a partition, and build kernel-power with mmc support and removed mmc power management support01:54
DocScrutinizer05I think I can't follow01:54
Hurrian*mmc and ext4 support01:54
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MrPingufreemangordon, ping01:59
MrPinguoh sorry, g2g02:02
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: calibration script confirmed not flatbatrecovering03:05
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kerio(the latest version)03:05
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Gearis the n900 dying?05:02
nox-its on life support05:03
wmarone__ depends, does it still turn on?05:03
Gearin some forums a lot of are turning them into dedicated pentesting devices05:03
Gearand not really using them as a main phone anymore05:03
wmarone__well, that's what they're doing, I suppose05:04
wmarone__I still use mine as a phone05:04
Gearme too, I bought another one for when my main one eventually dies05:04
wmarone__I'm waiting to see what Jolla does05:05
Gearwhat's jolla?05:05
nox-i guess the main q is whill jolla use this aegis thing too?05:06
Gearwhy am I looking at twitter05:06
Gearhey I was wondering if there are some repositories that I can add other than extras or extras devel05:07
GearI mean extras testing05:08
Geardevel sort of doesn't work05:08
Gearor are they still the main ones05:09
wmarone__Gear: because at this point twitter and linkedin are the primary points of communicatin for Jolla05:09
wmarone__nox-: hopefully not05:09
GearI can't talk in #electronics05:10
nox-i hope they realise their target users are geeks not $lusers...05:10
nox-and leave aegis and thelikes out05:11
Gearwhat's a $luser05:11
nox-somone who just uses stuff w/o caring how it works05:11
LaoLang_coolI hope Jolla will support N900 ;p05:11
Gearthat's why the n9 sucks so much :(05:12
Gearonly about 5% of anyone cares how anything works05:12
nox-that, and lack of kbd05:12
nox-Gear, yeah but those that dont buy iphones or android anyway05:12
Gearpeople who care how things work will hack the best devices regardless05:15
Gearbut the n900 is the best phone ever05:15
Gearand there has to be a demand for something else like it sometime in the future05:16
Gearit's a requirement for most people to be able to at least use a computer05:17
LaoLang_coolGear, n900 is far away from the best 'phone', it just is a super mini tablet05:17
LaoLang_coolMany basic phone functions is missing05:18
Gearit's the best device I can carry that will let me call and text and somewhat send pxts05:18
Gearare phones supposed to do more than that?05:19
LaoLang_coolIt's a phone, not the best phone05:19
LaoLang_coolfar away from betst05:20
Gearokey dokey05:20
nox-it does the job as a phone, its nice as a `small computer'05:21
Gearit's the best pocket sized computer that also comes with a phone05:22
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Mick_FHello everyone. Today I replaced my old lock password for my N900 with a new one.. and yes, I forgot it. I've searched around and the only technique I've found is to get the password hash over the terminal and crack it with some unix password cracker like JohnTheRipper05:29
RST38hYou forgot extra "my" before "new one".05:29
Mick_FProblem is, the device is off, I can't even start it without the pass. I've tryed to reflash it using maemo flasher and the two images, and I can't still get rid of the pass..05:30
RST38hBut see here:
Mick_FI was wondering if there's some way to reach the filesystem over the usb cable (holding u key maybe?) to get at least the hash? Or some other known solution?05:31
Mick_FRST38h: true, I need to work on my English..05:32
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Mick_FRST38h: and this thread is for people who can boot their phones without the code. As I described, I can't do it.05:37
RST38hYou only need SSH access05:38
RST38hApparently, SSH is already up when it is asking for the code05:38
Mick_Fis this network over usb cable?05:43
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RST38hObama for America campaign's new mobile app is raising privacy concerns with its Google map that recognizes one's current location, marks nearby Democratic households with small blue flags, and displays the first name, age and gender of the voter or voters who live there (e.g.,'Lori C., 58 F, Democrat').06:00
RST38hKristallnacht? THERE IS AN APP FOR THAT!06:01
GeneralAntillesI saw that there's some Facebook app that is letter users link their friends with public voting records06:19
GeneralAntillesso they can better target people who didn't vote D in previous elections.06:20
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newbie007Greetings, maemo-mapper aka mappero has stopped working for me. I always get an error "Invalid source or destination".  The GPS is on, gpsjinni seems to work, the supl server is set to (which I can ping) and I've tried setting the source to a non-gps value.... Any ideas?06:25
newbie007also, if I'm allowed a second question. The N900 is by far the best phone I've ever had, I'm thinking about getting another, Would I be able to find a n950? What's the future of this phone? I'm cool with no-further development as long as I can continue to download the currently availalbe apps06:29
nox-the n950 was never sold so there are only very few of them06:30
newbie007figured as much06:32
newbie007do you think that the open-source-ness made the n900 a target ?06:33
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nox-a target for?06:47
newbie007nox-: I would think that the powers that be would rather see a phone with backdoors rather than an opensource phone06:55
nox-well theres enough closedsource stuff on maemo as well...06:56
newbie007seems they always got the properity drivers for the screen just in case06:57
nox-or the cellmodem, or...06:58
newbie007nvidia comes to mind06:59
newbie007any idea about mappero06:59
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jonwilanyone around with a working N900 build environment?07:44
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newbie007jonwil I had gotten it working on debian once a long time ago07:54
jonwilok, I am mostly looking for someone who can compile something for me since my own build environment is out of action right now07:54
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lartza_has someone fixed this already
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keriohow big is a bl-5j from nokia supposed to be?12:02
StyXman Size: 60 mm x 38 mm x 5.5 mm12:04
kerioStyXman: heh, i meant in charge12:06
kerioi mean, capacity12:06
StyXmankerio: ah, no idea12:08
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kerio1320mAh, it's on that wiki12:09
jon_ykerio: iirc 1250mAH12:09
jon_yor there abouts12:09
jon_ykerio: you working on a fast charger?12:09
keriohm, mine is at 1313mAh12:10
jon_ymaybe it's time to stock up on it before it becomes a rarity12:11
keriojon_y: 1320, says that wiki12:11
kerioand eventually i'll move to a dual scud or something12:12
kerioif i find a way of putting them12:12
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kerioif i find a way of putting two batteries in an otterbox12:12
jaskaproblem with stocking up on li-ion/lipoly is that they decay over time12:12
jon_ykerio: yeah, battery eye says 1200 on mine, its a bit old12:12
jon_yjaska: even if half charged?12:12
keriojon_y: i calibrated bq27k like thrice in a row12:12
jaskaslower half-charged in low-ish (not freezing).. but they still do12:12
kerioit's definetely accurate :)12:12
jon_yiirc most manufacturers store it at 50% charge12:12
jon_ykerio: DocScrutinizer05's script?12:13
kerioi thought the best way was 70% charge and in the freezer12:13
keriojon_y: once manually and twice with that, yes12:13
jon_ywhat does the script actually do?12:13
jon_yand how long does a cycle take?12:13
keriowell, i usually run it after charging fully and once it's a bit empty12:14
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jon_ykerio: how long? complete discharge in 10 minutes? :)12:15
jon_yI made that happen once before, phone was flaming hot, some process got stuck in the background, phone not responding12:15
jon_ybtw, anybody know if there are downsides to using the wifi injector drivers over the stock ones?12:16
keriojon_y: more like 4-5 hours from full12:24
kerioit doesn't do anything to discharge12:24
kerioyou're supposed to leave it with nothing open except for maybe the network connected (not offline mode)12:24
kerioand the backlight at level 5, always on12:24
kerioa constant-ish discharge is better for calibration12:25
jon_yok, I might do that over the weekends, it won't cause a lowbat reboot right?12:25
keriothe injection drivers have crappy powersaving12:25
kerioespecially in monitor mode12:25
jon_ywhat about over normal use?12:26
keriobme won't reboot the phone if the charger is connected :)12:26
kerioeeh, i don't know12:26
kerioare the stock drivers bad in some way?12:26
jon_ynope, just too lazy to call the load/unload script :)12:26
keriojon_y: it's supposed to be used overnight12:26
jon_yyou mean the calibration script?12:27
kerioit (charges until vdq is 1, then )stops charging and waits for edv1 to turn on12:27
keriothen reenables charging12:27
kerio(it charges with bme, so no problems there)12:27
jon_ywell, my n900 can't start properly if rebooted without my attention, but I still love it12:28
jon_yuboot won't start any of the kernels properly :(12:28
kerioyour fault for using uboot12:29
keriowhy bother with anything except kp51, for the thumb workaround?12:29
jon_yI'm using kp5112:29
jon_yI play a game of shuffling with the usb cable and flasher to start the phone12:29
jon_ytakes a few tries, like an old car engine starting up12:30
jon_yn900 is still the goddamn best phone ever12:30
kerioand they say that tethered jailbreak of the iphone is bad12:31
jon_yI like it that way, it builds character, now get of my lawn :)12:32
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vi_bl-5j was 1350.12:42
vi_Recently nokia have updated it to 1450.12:42
vi_You can aqcuire 'scud' batteries from china with 1500.12:42
vi_However scud have started ripping themselves off with counterfeits of their own products and making the 1500 a 'new' product.12:43
vi_china, never go full retard.12:43
jon_yso is it 1500mAH or not?12:44
vi_which one?12:44
jon_yscud 1500s12:44
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vi_Scud 'blue' USED to be 1500 back when they cost like $10 for 2.12:45
vi_They then made the scud blue 1350 with all the same packaging as before without telling anyone.12:45
jon_yit even says 1500 on the packaging??12:46
vi_Then they introduced scud 'yellow' at like $20 for 2.12:46
vi_The yellow was the 1500.12:46
vi_like I said.  They counterfeited their own product to try and make a short term gain.12:46
vi_There are no words to describe how fucked that is.12:47
jon_yhow much are Nokia's?12:47
vi_I don't even know.12:47
vi_$40 for a real one.12:47
vi_$5 for a fake.12:47
jon_yfake ones come with smaller capacities?12:48
vi_jon_y: You never know what you will get with a fake.12:48
vi_generally smalelr capacity, yes.12:48
jon_ymy brother bought a fake nokia battery once, it expanded and misshaped after charging :(12:48
vi_kerio: of course monitor mode has no power saving. DERP.12:49
vi_jon_y: lesson learned the hard way.12:49
jon_ywell, I'm still using the original BL-5J from 200912:49
jon_ynot sure if it's time to change12:49
StyXmanI have two generic chinese batts. both had the plastic header, where the connectors are, detached from the body, and one has swollen to a point I refuse to put it in my n90012:51
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vi_fuck dat.12:51
vi_protip: cheap batteries and flash memory are junk.12:53
* StyXman takes note12:54
jonwilwhen it comes to mobile devices, anything cheap is likely to be junk12:54
jonwillike someone selling a N900 front bezel for 5eur, it cant be genuine at that price12:54
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jon_yI bought a 4GB microSD for $6, works fine :)13:01
ShadowJK_The Japod I got from dealextreme is still clocking in 1430mAh at 130 cycles of use13:01
ShadowJK_It's amazing, it has lost less capacity than Original BL-5J's, and as a bonus, it started off much higher than the original BL-5J's too13:02
jon_ykerio: btw, should I recalibrate if I get a new battery?13:02
jonwilanyone here have a wireless network that supports WiFi protected setup?13:04
ShadowJK_I do it just because I want to find out its capacity, and then after I do it every 10-20 cycles, and note down the capacity just to track how the battery is doing13:04
ShadowJK_jonwil, I do13:04
ShadowJK_but I don't know if I've used it13:04
ShadowJK_iirc it asked about PINs or to press button on router, and I thought fuck that I'm not getting up from the couch, and just did normal WPA2 key instead13:05
jon_yShadowJK_: does it actually affect the battery life?13:05
jon_yor does it calibrate the charging IC on the battery capacity?13:06
ShadowJK_reclibrations and such does not change battery life at all13:06
ShadowJK_and it does nothing at all to charging13:06
jon_yso, more accurate graphs on battery eye?13:07
ShadowJK_No, battery eye uses the data provided by bme, and bme doesn't use the data provided by bq27200 (the charge metering chip)13:07
ShadowJK_So it doesn't do anything at all to the default standard battery meters and battery apps13:07
jonwilbasically I am trying to see if I can find someone who can connect a N900 to WiFi protected setup and log the dbus signals that get sent when you connect :)13:08
ShadowJK_The N900 has 3.5 different battery meters. There's the bq27200, unused by default software. bme, which does its own metering. And the 3g modem, which also does its own, unused. The .5 is the "battery full" indicator when charging, this seems to run independently of both the charging chip and the bme battery meter.13:09
jon_yhow is bq27200 different from bme?13:10
jon_ymore accurate readings?13:10
ShadowJK_Out of these, the bq27200, when properly calibrated, is the most accurate. bme can give a reasonable estimate most of the time even without any calibration, but it can also go very wrong13:10
jon_ywhere does the calibration data live?13:11
ShadowJK_Another benefit of bq27200 is that we can get realtime power consumption data, on a 5 second by 5 second basis. With bme, we can sort of derive it, but the data arrives irregulary, sometimes hours in between.13:11
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ShadowJK_It's inside the chip itself13:11
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ShadowJK_The chip is actually designed to be a part of the battery itself, not designed to sit inside the phone.. Also, the chip is programmed with defaults that would be appropriate for a 2000mAh battery... so by default, it's way off in telling you how many % is left13:12
ShadowJK_It's also designed to keep a track of battery capacity, as the battery ages.. This doesn't work too well either, because normally in a normal system, bme switches the device off before battery reaches the "empty" mark at which bq27200 would "learn" the capacity of the battery13:13
ShadowJK_There are some cases where bme absolutely fails, like when you use a very large battery, like Estel's 3000mAh battery :P13:13
jon_yoh, I heard of that battery13:14
jon_ycan't find it in retail stores13:14
ShadowJK_No estel constructed his own13:14
ShadowJK_Apart from DIY, there's an expensive 2400mAh "Mugen" battery13:15
ShadowJK_Mugen probably doesn't have their stuff in any retail stores at all13:15
ShadowJK_wow, time is running. Need to get ready for work13:16
vi_FWIW the bq27x00 is not the charging controller chip.13:18
jon_yShadowJK_: I thought I saw a giant N900 battery before13:23
jon_yit came with its own cover case, since the factory case wouldn't fit13:23
jon_yyeah, probably the Mugen battery13:23
jon_yvi_: just the monitoring chip?13:23
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narcosHi all. Has anyone had luck upgrading wireshark/tshark on the maemo?13:26
narcosVersion 1.2.6 is super old.13:26
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sambo7Hi,nandtester here...wasn't able to recover my N900 yet-still waiting for my external usb charger to arrive14:38
sambo7started with the coldflash process & display responded14:38
sambo7since it's important that the battery is fully charged-what could happen in the worst case, if I start the recovery & the battery is not fully charged...can it get any worse that it is already?14:40
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keriojon_y: note that calibrating bq27k will offer you no change in behavior regarding bme15:04
keriobq27k data isn't actually used, you have to ask for it manually15:04
jon_ymore like better estimation on how much battery life I have left?15:05
kerioeeh, i don't know15:05
keriobme is really stupid15:05
kerioit thinks it knows better than anyone else15:05
jon_ybme doesn't know anything other than the default Nokia batteries?15:06
keriobme doesn't know anything, period15:07
keriobq27200 is actually a pretty fucking good battery meter15:07
sambo7Hi,nandtester here...wasn't able to recover my N900 yet-still waiting for my external usb charger to arrive15:08
sambo7started with the coldflash process & display responded15:08
keriosambo7: ohai15:08
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sambo7since it's important that the battery is fully charged-what could happen in the worst case, if I start the recovery & the battery is not fully charged...can it get any worse that it already is?15:08
keriosambo7: i doubt you can make it *worse*15:09
keriobut hey, it could15:09
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sambo7don't want to risk that it gets even worse,because I have hope now15:09
jon_ykerio: bme just measures by the voltage?15:09
keriojon_y: there's actually some calibration data stored in CAL i believe15:09
Lava_Croftsambo7: i had to buy a DT-33 to get my N900 batteries charged15:10
Lava_Croftsince I emptied them:<15:10
keriojon_y: /dev/mtd115:10
Lava_Croftiirc you can flash/recover whatever fine with a 50% battery level15:10
jon_yLava_Croft: flatbatrecover not helping?15:10
Lava_Croftjon_y: no idea that existed, im talking about a year ago now:)15:10
Lava_Croftand DT-33 looks so cute15:10
jon_ykerio: flash mtd?15:10
kerioflatbatrecovery won't help you if you bork the booting at the same time as you discharge the battery15:10
Lava_Crofttoo bad the N9 comes with a shit battery solution15:11
keriojon_y: yeah, it's one of the "partitions" of the mtd15:11
sambo7I ordered an external usb charger but I guess, it will take some more days till it's here15:11
Lava_Croftsambo7: you ordered DT-33?15:11
Lava_Croftas in, Nokia external battery charger?15:11
Lava_CroftN900 cannot charge batteries if it isnt booted15:11
jon_yLava_Croft: I remembered a colleague of mine used a deliberately lower voltage to fool the charger into charging a very dead battery15:12
Lava_Croftjon_y: i also heard about people using other Nokia and some cheap hacking to charge the BL5J15:12
jon_ynot sure if the same trick can work with any external chargers15:12
Lava_Croftbut DT-33 was cheap and it charges just about any Nokia battery, so meh15:12
Lava_Crofteasy solution:)15:12
jon_yI might get one too :)15:13
Lava_Crofti have 4 N900 batteries, so having a few charging and a few discharging is quite handy indeed15:13
jon_yis it easy to get?15:13
Lava_Crofti ordered it at the store i always use15:13
jon_yfrom any Nokia dealer?15:13
Lava_Croftits a stock nokia thing, i bet its easy to get a hold of15:13
Lava_Croftor any non-nokia dealer, as long as they sell it:)15:13
jon_yhmm, hopefully its not gray market goods, it can get hard15:14
kerioanyway, i have a 32gb sandisk microsd15:14
Lava_Croftjust google for Nokia DT-33 site:[your country's TLD]15:14
Lava_Croftkerio: 64gb here:)15:14
Lava_Croftunmarked shit thing15:14
Lava_Croftim not using it15:14
Lava_Crofti got it for free15:14
sambo7the one I ordered is BL-5J BP-6MT15:14
Lava_Crofti think a tape recorder is faster15:14
kerioeven a sandisk mobile ultra 64gb is awful15:15
Lava_Croftsambo7: that sounds like it only charges BL5J's15:15
kerio(for random writes, which is what matters for swap)15:15
Lava_Croftkerio: i use an 8gb one now, works fine15:15
Lava_Croftits not like the N900 has a lack of storage:)15:15
kerioi'm actually going to modify the ereswap script to toggle between... idk, two 4gb swap partitions15:15
Lava_Crofti dont even use ereswap15:15
keriothat leaves me 23gb15:15
Lava_Crofti just use my own simple bash shit15:15
kerioLava_Croft: ereswap is a simple bash shit :)15:15
Lava_Crofti know15:16
jon_yeh, I use sshfs :)15:16
Lava_Croftsambo7: wtf15:16
jon_ygranted access is sloooow15:16
Lava_Croftcancel order15:16
Lava_Croftif you are going to spend money on external charger, really get a DT-3315:16
kerioLava_Croft: on the other hand, 3€15:16
jon_yI have 4TBs to my n90015:16
keriojon_y: hahaha15:16
kerioput swap there!15:16
Lava_Croftlook how cute!15:16
Lava_Croftand you can rotate the top 45degrees15:17
Lava_Croftand other nokia batteries will fit then15:17
jon_yits like a card holder!15:17
sambo7Actually I don't like other Nokia I don't need a charger for other Nokia devices;-)15:18
Lava_Crofti like nokia quality tho15:19
jon_yis $10 overpriced for a DT-33?15:20
Lava_Crofti paid about 8e orso15:21
Lava_Croftso not really i guess15:21
jon_yok, thanks15:21
jon_ypostage costs about 50% :|15:22
sambo7you can get it in Germany on ebay for 12€ - no postage costs15:22
jon_yI live on the other side of the world though15:23
jon_ywell, in East Asia15:24
jon_yHong Kong Sellers on eBay are plentiful enough though15:25
sambo79,30$+4,20$ from hongkong15:26
jon_ysambo7: there is a seperate adapter for the charger?15:29
Lava_Croftjon_y: no15:29
Lava_Croftyou need one of those standard nokia chargers15:29
Lava_Croftof which anyone i know has at least 10 of15:29
sambo7found a disassembled N900 with a damaged display for 45€..but decided not to get that one, because I feel confident that mine will work again15:29
jon_yLava_Croft: I mean, does the charger need a wall wart to plug into?15:30
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keriogoddammit i hate fdisk15:30
Lava_Croftyou mean a power plug?15:30
kerioand i hate this compatibility bullshit15:31
Lava_Croftit cannot draw power from thin air:<15:31
keriowhat do you guys use for partitioning?15:31
Lava_Croftcfdisk on a linux distro15:31
Lava_Crofton my desktop PC15:31
kerioLava_Croft: oh you15:31
jon_yLava_Croft: the eBay listings don't come with a wall wart :(15:31
keriomeh, i'll install cfdisk15:31
jon_ycan't charge without a plug to begin with15:31
Lava_Croftjon_y: they dont15:32
Lava_Croftbut those nokia chargers, heh15:32
Lava_Crofti bet anyone is willing to give you to them for free15:32
Lava_Croftbefore they hang themselves with it15:32
Lava_Crofti have about 12 of those things orso15:32
Lava_Crofti never even owned 12 nokias15:33
Lava_Croftits like dvd drives orso15:33
Lava_Crofti dont know where the heck they come from, but the accumulate in my closet15:33
jon_ythey breed like rabids in there?15:33
jon_yyou have a DT-33 farm in your closet?15:33
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StyXmanlike rabid rabbits?15:41
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Lava_Croftjon_y: no, i mean the chargers for phones15:42
Lava_Croftthe one you need to power the actual dt-3315:42
Lava_Croftthose standard nokia chargers with a small round plug15:43
jon_yoh, the ancient thingamabobs15:43
Lava_Croftthey arent ancient15:43
Lava_Croftat all15:43
jon_ysame one since 31xx?15:43
jacekowskiit was bigger back then15:44
jacekowskithen it shrunk15:44
jon_ythere was one bigger than the 3310 charger?15:44
jacekowski3310 was the big one15:44
jacekowskiand then there was smaller one used by like N8 or N9515:44
jon_yok, might be hard to find it15:45
jacekowskiconverter that came with n900 is taking those smaller plugs15:45
kerio92how do i make ke-recv mount something?15:46
jon_yheh, actually, you could draw power out of thin air, though any minute/tiny draw will alert the radio broadcast groups15:46
kerio92hm, ke-recv-test cb15:46
kerio92no, doesn't work D:15:47
Lava_Croftjon_y: :)15:49
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LaoLang_coolIs the NemoMobile porting to n900?15:50
jon_yLava_Croft: well, for every action, there is a reaction, likewise for radio power draw :)15:50
LaoLang_coolI'm reading
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keriohrmpf, i suck at shell scripting :c16:03
kerioi need to toggle between two swap partitions if there's a need to16:03
keriosaving iostat data somewhere16:03
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kerioshould i do this with python, i wonder?16:04
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keriowhere does iostat data come from?16:05
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jon_ykerio: for i in /dev/mmc1p*; do mkdir -p /media/$i && mount /dev/$i /media/$i; done?16:06
jon_yoh, swap16:06
keriojon_y: no, i wanted the "official" mounting16:06
keriofor mmc116:06
keriobut that's less important, i don't really care16:07
jon_yI need more sleep16:07
jon_ymkswap && swapon16:07
kerioi want a script that swaps (sic!) swap partitions when it's useful to16:07
jon_yswapoff before disconnecting it16:07
jon_yswapoff /dev/<emmc part>16:08
jon_ywell, you could poll for an mmc insert16:08
jon_yor dbus16:08
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keriono, i just want to toggle between two partitions on my sd16:09
kerioi have a bigass one, i want to use it :)16:09
jon_yhmm, I'm sure there are cpan modules :)16:09
kerioreswap/ereswap, by default, use a backup partition to do the deswapping/reswapping16:09
kerioi just want to move between the two, because i can16:09
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jon_ywell, modules to probe partition size16:11
keriojon_y: nah, you just need to grep/awk the output of iostat for that16:11
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keriomeh, i don't know how to shellscript :c16:14
* jon_y never liked shell scripting16:15
jon_ytoo fragile16:15
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DocScrutinizer05dunno, I always found shellscripts to work most cross-platform, OSrev independant and the easiest to fix IF sth goes awry16:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i have 32gb of µSD :D16:39
DocScrutinizer05most likely all your linux even boots on shellscripts (well, not exactly anymore in days of upstart and systemd)16:39
keriohm, what's the best way to "iw reg set JP" at boot time and every time the stock drivers are loaded?16:39
kerio(i assume the injection drivers don't have a region problem)16:39
keriohm, there's definetely *something* that changed the regulatory domain from US to EU here16:41
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vi_kerio: You do not want JP, you want EU.16:42
DocScrutinizer05[2012-08-06 15:07:25] <kerio> i want a script that swaps (sic!) swap partitions when it's useful to))) go for ShadowJK_'s reswap.sh16:42
kerioisn't JP even better?16:42
vi_because JP has power restrictions on 12+1316:42
vi_n900 hardware does not go to 14.16:43
vi_therefore JP is pointless.16:43
vi_unless of course you want to comply with the law when you are in JP of course.16:43
keriomeh, the fact that they default to US kinda sucks for me16:44
kerioi can update cleven's script, but i'm not sure about mobilehotspot16:44
vi_US sucks for everyone.16:44
vi_Especially if you are even a little bit brown.16:44
DocScrutinizer05errrr wut?16:44
keriooh you16:45
DocScrutinizer05a hw that doesn't go to chan14?16:45
vi_DocScrutinizer05: N900 will not go to channel 1416:45
Corsacmaybe the firmware more than the hw16:45
kerioDocScrutinizer05: only allow you to refresh the swap by disabling/enabling the same partition16:45
kerioi want to move between two partitions16:45
keriobecause i can16:45
CorsacI bough a laptop in the US few years ago, and I think it has some hardcoded limitations in the wireless card which forced me to the US bands :(16:46
DocScrutinizer05kerio: incorrect16:46
vi_Corsac: Suck it down you communist.16:46
DocScrutinizer05last I looked switched between two swap partitions16:46
kerioDocScrutinizer05: no, it checks /root/reswap.stat to see if there's a need to reswap - if so, it enables mmc swap, disables sd swap, updates reswap.stat, enables sd swap, disables mmc swap16:47
DocScrutinizer05everything else was nonsense anyway, as you can't simply swapoff without prior providing a spare swap16:47
DocScrutinizer05kerio: exactly16:48
kerioi want to check if i have to defragment the swap, write stats for mmcblk1p3, enable mmcblk1p3, disable mmcblk1p216:48
CorsacDocScrutinizer05: oh? why?16:48
kerioand then, much later, check if i have to defragment mmcblk1p3, write stats for mmcblk1p2, enable mmcblk1p2, disable mmcblk1p316:48
DocScrutinizer05Corsac: what wiill your processes do that use the swap?16:48
Corsacthe kernel will move what it can to ram16:49
Corsacand OOM the rest :)16:49
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i want to actually move between two partitions16:49
kerioCorsac: oh you :)16:49
DocScrutinizer05kerio: the nice part about shellscripts, you adapt it in 5 min16:49
Corsacthe linux kernel is surely able to handle swapoff, though I'm not sure how it's handled on n90016:49
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah but i'm crap at writing shellscripts16:50
kerioCorsac: it does exactly that16:50
DocScrutinizer05Corsac: that's what I meant though16:50
keriobut OOM killing stuff is... less than ideal16:50
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it would be a lot more fragile, sadly :c16:51
DocScrutinizer05Corsac: btw the behaviour of swapoff is undefined (as in specs) regarding that, either it never comes back until all swapped out of the swap partition, or it simply fails when it can't free the swap. And OOM isn't really any part of that manpage either16:51
DocScrutinizer05OR swapoff comes back immediately no matter if swap got freed and unlinked or not16:52
keriocan tac reverse a file inplace?16:53
DocScrutinizer05kerio: is jodl a truple?16:54
kerioalfred jodl?16:54
Corsackerio: I don't think cat can, so I wouldn't bet on tac16:55
DocScrutinizer05up to you - while I try figuring out what's tac16:55
Corsactac is the reverse of cat :)16:55
kerioDocScrutinizer05: like cat, but in reverse16:55
keriopart of gnu coreutils16:55
DocScrutinizer05kerio: so your question is mere nonsense, since not a single filter is meant to work on own input, in unix16:56
keriok :c16:56
Corsackerio: not that if you have moreutils you can use sponge16:57
DocScrutinizer05tail -n10 foo >foo16:58
keriothat just kills foo, right?16:58
DocScrutinizer05will NOT give you last 10 lines of foo16:59
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keriobecause sh will open it before tail is even started16:59
DocScrutinizer05for sed you have special parameter -i for that16:59
BCMMwonder what tail -f foo >> foo would do...17:03
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kerioi'm feeling stupid now - "if grep -q mmcblk1 /proc/swaps" will enter the "then" block if there's *no* mmcblk1 in /proc/swaps, right?17:04
DocScrutinizer05BCMM: obviously explode your fs17:05
keriono, i *am* stupid17:05
BCMMyes, that would make sense17:05
dump_01hi ppl! my n900 reboots unexpectedly every time i open back cover. how to investigate this?17:06
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keriodump_01: are you doing something with the sd?17:07
kerioi mean, have you installed something important there?17:07
DocScrutinizer05you've put some important file/partition on the uSD17:07
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DocScrutinizer05probably swap ;-P17:08
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dump_01kerio: yep, it's not standart formated17:08
keriodump_01: is your swap there?17:08
dump_01yeah, swap is on sd17:08
DocScrutinizer05so, what was your question? XD17:08
dump_01thanx, now i know the source :)17:08
DocScrutinizer05sth like "why does my PC reboot when I unplug the HDD?" ?17:09
keriodump_01: removing the backcover actually cuts data coming from/to the uSD17:09
keriowhich is fucking stupid17:09
keriobut hey, stupid users can't be expected to learn what "unmount" is17:09
dump_01kerio: is there a way to prevent it? or it is hardware based17:10
keriohardware based, i think17:10
DocScrutinizer05yeah, stupid Nokia, they could have built a electric lock to the backcover ;-P17:10
keriosome silly people glue a tiny magnet on the sensor17:10
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you think the backcover sensor can be tricked in a software way?17:11
DocScrutinizer05low level mmc driver built-in property17:11
dump_01kerio: thats nice. where is that stupid sensor?17:11
keriohrmpf, does iostat use MB or MiB? i can't figure it out17:11
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keriodump_01: check the actual backcover, there's a tiny magnet there17:12
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DocScrutinizer05so answer is "of course, when you rebuild the mmc kernel module"17:12
kerioor look on TMO17:12
DocScrutinizer05low level mmc driver built-in property17:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: oh17:12
DocScrutinizer05yeah, stupid Nokia, they could have built a electric lock to the backcover ;-P17:12
kerioneat, why hasn't anyone changed that yet?17:12
DocScrutinizer05because it's actually a semi-sane thing17:13
DocScrutinizer05ask pali to get a parameter for KP17:13
DocScrutinizer05probably in mmc_core.ko17:14
DocScrutinizer05also mcheck out ke-recv-test17:15
DocScrutinizer05it's probably not exactly trivial to neuter in a sane way17:16
DocScrutinizer05too many subsystems involved17:17
DocScrutinizer05of course you can try some hackery around /sys/class/GPIO17:18
DocScrutinizer05redefine the pin that connects to the hall-sensor/reed-switch to be OUT, then set to the level that meets your needs17:19
DocScrutinizer05might fail due to "GPIO occupied" or sth17:19
DocScrutinizer05if you can come up with a nice solution like that, I suggest appname "virtual magnet"17:20
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DocScrutinizer05the very first 4 syslog lines relevant:17:25
DocScrutinizer05Aug  6 16:33:42 t900 kernel: [ 8729.865753] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible17:25
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DocScrutinizer05Aug  6 16:33:43 t900 ke_recv[1316]: prop_modified:1889: udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_mmci_omap_hs_0_mmc_host modified button.state.value17:25
DocScrutinizer05Aug  6 16:33:43 t900 kernel: [ 8730.176025] mmc0: card e624 removed17:25
DocScrutinizer05Aug  6 16:33:43 t900 ke_recv[1316]: event_in_cover_closed:1209: E_OPENED for ext-MMC17:25
DocScrutinizer05so not even on kernel level it's handled like a normal "switch"17:27
DocScrutinizer05which makes /sys/class/GPIO approach questionable17:27
* DocScrutinizer05 notices t900 sysclock is way too fast17:28
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# uptime17:29
DocScrutinizer05 16:38:44 up 128 days, 17:34, load average: 0.06, 0.09, 0.0317:29
DocScrutinizer0510 min ahead in 128 days (given I set the clock correctly when I booted last time)17:29
kerioyay, i have a "doubleswap" script now17:30
keriooh my god, double swap all the way17:30
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RST38hMeanwhile: NASA's Official Mars Landing Video Got Taken Off YouTube Over Bogus Copyright Claims17:34
jacekowskiRST38h: link?17:35
kerioif anyone is interested:
DocScrutinizer05YAY, card_detect is a line of mmc-interface17:37
DocScrutinizer05they made smooth touchdown, RST38h?17:37
kerioi wonder if it's worth publishing somewhere17:38
kerioprobably not17:38
DocScrutinizer05kerio: card_detect is GPIO16017:38
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: gpio160 already there in /sys/class/gpio/17:39
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you might try to do what I toldya, redefine gpio as OUT, set level to the one of "backcover closed"17:40
RST38hDoc: Yeah, watched it last night17:41
DocScrutinizer05kerio: beware! I'm not taking responsibility of ANY hw damage resulting from that17:41
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: nice17:41
RST38hDoc: The people in the control center went bonkers over this17:41
DocScrutinizer05I guess as much17:41
DocScrutinizer057 minutes of terror were enough of suspense for them17:42
DocScrutinizer05now we got a Mitsubishi on Mars, nice17:43
jonwilThe video take-down is an example of why the balance is tipped too far in favor of the content producers.17:43
jonwilThe whole automated content removal BS is the problem17:43
DocScrutinizer05I hope will have the video still17:43
jonwilaparently it got put back up17:44
jonwilonce NASA complained17:44
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* DocScrutinizer05 goes youtubing (is that the right word analog to "googling"?)17:45
vi_DocScrutinizer05: I wonder if they made there mars lander with imperial parts?17:46
jonwilit was never removed from nor would it be17:46
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vi_If so, it will be a bitch to get spare parts.17:46
DocScrutinizer05vi_: ooh, mars gasstations only have imperial parts17:47
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DocScrutinizer05Satellite's gone way up to Mars17:49
DocScrutinizer05Soon it will be filled with parking cars17:49
vi_Did the Americans make their part of the ISS with imperial parts?17:49
DocScrutinizer05dafq infobot!!17:49
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vi_wow, it is.17:50
vi_Fucking retards.17:50
jonwilbut yeah YouTube should never have bowed down to the content producers and introduced the automatic content blocking, they should have stuck to the letter of the law and manually removed things only when asked to by the copyright holder, i.e. a human being having to review every removal request before the content is removed17:51
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: I guess they pondered that, but found they could neither find nor pay that number of staff they'd need for accomplishing this task18:04
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if they (NASA) took the opportunity to observe seismic event of SkyCrane inpact on Mars surface18:06
jonwilit would depend if they had a seismograph handy to take the measurements18:08
DocScrutinizer05curiosity might have one on board, possibly even just g-meters in the wheels18:08
jonwilquite possible18:09
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jonwilif there is (or was) life on mars, I bet the NASA guys will do whatever it takes to find it18:10
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* DocScrutinizer05 ponders asking NASA/ESA if there's maybe a vacancy for Senior Negatron18:12
jonwilStill nothing yet on fixing my N900 (the damage is only minor, I need a new "A Cover Assy" and a new "A Cover Framing"18:15
jonwilPlace that quoted and told me they could fix it said today they are having trouble sourcing the frame parts18:15
jonwilbut that they had some more leads to try18:16
jonwilGoogle finds plenty of sites listing the exact parts for sale18:16
jonwilbut there is the question of whether those parts are legit or fake18:16
DocScrutinizer05yep, prolly they looked in the outback for it18:16
jonwilespecially when they are being sold for as low as 5E18:16
jonwilanyone selling a part like that for such a low price is automatically suspicious18:17
jonwilespecially if they also have LCD assemblies for about 30E18:17
jonwilor back covers for 10E18:18
DocScrutinizer05well, I bought quite definitely original bare PCB for ~7EUR18:18
jonwilhmmm maybe they arent dodgy18:18
jonwilI will wait the 10 days the guy told me to wait18:18
jonwilthen go back in and see what they say18:18
jonwilworst that happens is I will get my deposit back18:18
DocScrutinizer05always think "would it look like a business model to fake those parts?"18:19
jonwilYeah I bet there is little money in faking N900 front bezels18:20
jonwilnow iPhone front bezels on the other hand would be worth faking18:20
DocScrutinizer05for a friggin plastic frame @ 5$ it probably would18:20
DocScrutinizer05same for front bezel which probably costs like 2ct production in China, and sales are possibly high enough18:21
DocScrutinizer05for LCD the calculation is way more difficult, as you have to find existing cheap parts you could rework18:22
DocScrutinizer05no use in building all new fake LCD18:22
DocScrutinizer05or is there?18:22
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DocScrutinizer05in China they can do things in a economically sensible way you never even would think about they could be done at all18:23
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jonwilhmmm yeah18:26
jonwilIf these guys cant find the parts it might be worth looking into finding someone with totally broken N900 (e.g. broken USB port, broken screen, whatever) and buying one to salvage the bezel parts from18:26
DocScrutinizer05they might mill the front bezel from massive steel blocks second mined from e.g. tanks, by hand18:26
DocScrutinizer05in China18:26
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DocScrutinizer05sell @ 5EUR and still make a bargain from it18:27
jonwilI have no idea what the going rate on broken N900s is these days18:28
DocScrutinizer05working used ones are ~100EUR18:28
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jonwilI bet the going rate for one with a broken USB or a broken screen would be much lower then18:28
DocScrutinizer05so no way you pay more than 50 bucks for a defect one18:28
DocScrutinizer05there are always fools selling parts of broken used ones for way more than the whole broken device is worth, and also they find buying fools.18:29
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DocScrutinizer05but that's normal for all spare part market18:30
jonwillots of people on ebay selling new screens and touchpanels18:30
Azogi am trying to run mtkbabel, but it needs libdevice-serialport-perl. unfortunately i have problems with the sdk and perl. does someone have this package?18:30
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DocScrutinizer05get a defect Mercedes 500 for 4k, sell engine for 2k, seats for 500 each, and the rest for 3k ;-P18:31
jacekowskithat's what people do18:32
DocScrutinizer05or remove outer mirrors and sell for 250 each, then the glass windows for 100 each, the doors for 500 each, the motor lid and storage lid for 30018:33
DocScrutinizer05and still sell the rest for 2.5k18:33
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DocScrutinizer05Azog: sorry, all gibberish to me18:35
DocScrutinizer05Azog: only known word: perl18:35
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Azogmaybe explains it a bit better18:43
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keriook, i changed the name of my script to swapswap19:36
kerioand now it has a -f switch19:36
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keriois someone interested?19:40
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StyXmankerio: does what?19:59
StyXman(sorry I'm late)19:59
kerioStyXman: "toggles" between two swap partitions when it has to20:00
keriolike reswap/ereswap, but it moves stuff just once, each time20:00
kerioi'm using two 4gb partitions on the sd20:00
StyXmanI say put it up with an explanation to what it does in t.m.o20:02
keriomaybe in the ereswap thread20:02
keriosomeone was asking for something like this20:02
StyXman... and point me to it 'cause I'm not a t.m.o reader :-P20:03
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK_: kerio: just in case you're interested:
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: WAIT WUT? 4GB swap?20:04
keriohaters gonna hate20:05
DocScrutinizer05gonna hate the 15min your reswap process will take20:05
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DocScrutinizer05during which device is unresponsive basically20:05
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DocScrutinizer05actually the 768k original swap are rather to the upper end20:06
r00t|home768k? ;) enough for everyone?20:07
keriowhy would it need to read the whole 4gb?20:07
DocScrutinizer05since device can't really handle it when they got used20:07
kerioit just needs to read the used space20:07
kerioi made them 4gb so i don't need to reswap too often20:07
kerioand i can afford it20:07
kerio23gb vfat, 4gb swap, 4gb swap20:08
DocScrutinizer05used space = max swapsize (with gaps), otherwise criterion for fragmentation and thus reswap not kicking in20:08
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kerioyeah but you don't need to swapoff the gaps :)20:08
DocScrutinizer05but you (the kernel) needs to read the chunks containing the used fragments anyway20:09
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kerioit would do that regardless of the swap size20:10
DocScrutinizer05and swap meta data (tables) grow proportional to real max swapsize20:10
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you don't get it, eh? kernel needs to read 4GB anyway when you swapoff a 4GB swap, no matter how many bytes >0 out of each page got used20:11
DocScrutinizer05because that's how flash works20:11
kerioit's a uSD20:11
kerioit's a perfect block device20:12
keriowhat it does internally is none of my business20:12
kerioi have good random reads and good random writes20:12
keriowell, it has20:12
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keriobesides, this is all assuming i make it to 4gb of written swap without rebooting20:13
DocScrutinizer05and you have 5 times as many fragments to read as on a 768k swap. And temporarily 10 times as much metadata (tables) in RAM20:14
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kerioand i have like a week before i have to reswap20:17
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DocScrutinizer05so what's the practical use of all this then?20:17
keriobesides, idk what to do with all this space :D20:17
kerioa week is a lot20:18
DocScrutinizer05fill RAM with swap allocation tables?20:18
keriook, give me a size then20:18
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DocScrutinizer052 * 512k20:18
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: you mean m, not k, no?20:19
DocScrutinizer05since, as already mentioned, the 768k probably were over the top already, to do what you did: reduce fragmentation by increasing swapsize20:19
DocScrutinizer05M, yeah20:19
keriowith 512M i'd have to defragment the swap *a lot*20:20
kerioi mean, often20:20
DocScrutinizer05that's what your defrag script is all about, no?20:20
DocScrutinizer05if it's fast, it's also painless20:21
DocScrutinizer05it will be fast on 512M20:21
kerioit's fast now too20:21
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DocScrutinizer05only because you haven't really *used* any significant part of your insane 4GB20:21
keriohm :(20:22
DocScrutinizer05once you got a fragmented 4GB swap, reswap will take ages. That's what I try to tell you since... 30min?20:22
kerioi just don't get why20:23
DocScrutinizer05also for each GB of swap, you need like maybe 1MB of RAM borne metadata in swaptables etc20:23
kerioif i have 50mb of used swap, why can't i swapoff it by reading 50mb?20:23
DocScrutinizer05if your swap is fragmented, you have chunks of data scattered all over the place of your whole 4GB20:24
DocScrutinizer05no more nice sequential reads20:25
kerioso it's a matter of random reads20:25
DocScrutinizer05that's why fragmentation is evil, first place20:25
keriojoke's on you, my usd sucks at sequential reads20:25
DocScrutinizer05I bet it sucks more on randon reads20:25
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kerioonly because there's no ram uSD!20:26
DocScrutinizer05also mere OS IO calls explode20:26
DocScrutinizer05mind you, swap can't really get cached20:27
keriooh really20:27
DocScrutinizer05since that's using RAM the swap is meant to *free*, not use for buffers/cache20:27
kerioyeah, i figured :)20:28
keriobut... i like my 4gb of swap :(20:28
DocScrutinizer05so each of your zillion 256byte chunks to read from fragmented swap is an own IO op20:28
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DocScrutinizer05(well maybe 4k chunks)20:28
DocScrutinizer05dunno what's swap pagesize20:29
DocScrutinizer05for a system with 256MB RAM it's for sure not 512k pages20:29
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kerioso your advice is to use 512M partitions?20:30
keriomeh, can do20:30
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keriobut this µSD is huge! what am i supposed to do with the rest of it?20:34
DocScrutinizer05give it to the poor20:34
kerioi need more music20:34
DocScrutinizer05or get some decent p0rn20:34
keriobut... there's the internet...20:35
keriohm, good point, there could be no coverage20:35
DocScrutinizer05I use mine as player for DrHouse avi, to my TV20:35
keriowhen is /tmp mounted?20:35
DocScrutinizer05during boot20:36
keriobefore or after the swapon in rcS-late?20:36
kerioit's all "boot", technically20:36
DocScrutinizer05quite probably after20:37
keriohm, it refers to /tmp before20:37
keriobut i don't know if it's *the* tmp20:37
DocScrutinizer05swapon should be rather early20:37
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DocScrutinizer05tmp/ isn't supposed to change during a system uptime20:37
DocScrutinizer05there might already be processes having pipes and whatnot there20:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: /tmp/ is mounted as a tmpfs right after proc and sysfs, in preinit20:38
DocScrutinizer05since a lot of stuff, also during boot, needs it20:39
keriohm, i wonder if /tmp/reswap.stat is a good location20:39
keriooh well, it's good enough20:39
DocScrutinizer05check FHS if curious (not that Nokia ever even heard of that)20:39
DocScrutinizer05sounds absolutely sane to me20:40
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keriois "test -e /tmp/reswap.stat || echo 0 > /tmp/reswap.stat" idiomatic?20:42
DocScrutinizer05looks like20:47
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: by 512M you mean 512MiB right?20:49
DocScrutinizer05whatever you like20:50
DocScrutinizer05MB MiB MaB MuB20:50
keriohm, concurrent sd+emmc access is still slow as fuck20:54
kerio(using emmc swap)20:54
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ShadowJK_echo 8192 > /sys/block/mmc*/queue/nr_requests21:25
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kerioShadowJK_: why isn't that the default?22:12
keriobad effects for leaving it like that all the time?22:12
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jon_yhey guys, why is the new kp51 wifi injection driver installed to /opt instead of /lib/modules?23:36
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Hurrianjon_y, injection was never in /lib/modules23:55
Hurrianit's being kept out of inline kernel-power build because of power-saving mode issues23:56
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jon_yHurrian: ok23:58
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jon_yI was just wondering if it made advanced interface switcher not able to switch to the injection drivers over the stock drivers23:59
HurrianAIS just needs to be updated for the new path23:59
jon_yor a symlink?23:59

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