IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-08-05

DocScrutinizer05	though, you probably should offer it over at #harmattan first (PC as far as PC goes here)	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	if you want it to go to "the right guy" offer at #harmattan, if you want to get as much as it's worth, offer at ebay	00:03
jacekowski	are they even allowed to sell n950	00:04
jacekowski	isn't that still nokia property on lease	00:04
jon_y	last I heard ebay has it for $2500	00:04
piggz	im hoping nokia never asks for mine back.....its like owning a pieve of history!	00:04
piggz	to sell it would be like selling my soul! ;)	00:05
jon_y	yeah, I wouldn't want to sell it too if I had it	00:05
RST38h	so, piggz, how much is your soul?	00:05
jon_y	about $2500?	00:05
piggz	RST38h: 3000 :P	00:05
jon_y	can I trade my sould for yours? :)	00:06
piggz	couldnt do it ... 2500-3000 is really just a short term gain anyway :)	00:08
piggz	ive made more from sale of space invaders ;)	00:08
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DocScrutinizer05	jacekowski: the CA ones are gifts	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	afaik	00:18
kerio	vi_: i'll buy it for 80€	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	nobody had to sign anything to receive his CA gift, so why wouldn't you be allowed to sell it?	00:19
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: bad form?	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	bad form, oh well, yes	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	[2012-08-04 23:01:25] <DocScrutinizer05> though, you probably should offer it over at #harmattan first (PC as far as PC goes here)	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	[2012-08-04 23:03:08] <DocScrutinizer05> if you want it to go to "the right guy" offer at #harmattan, if you want to get as much as it's worth, offer at ebay	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	regarding the statement re HARM it's almost the right thing to do	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	like sending crown of west rome caeser to the east rome caesar	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	"we don't need it anymore"	00:22
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DocScrutinizer05	I for one still have occasional use for it, via ssh and wlan, to confirm details on harmattan system when questions arise	00:25
DocScrutinizer05	also for mechanical reference	00:25
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DocScrutinizer05	so unless I'm in a pinch I won't sell mine (regardless of the fact I mustn't sell mine as it's a loaner anyway)	00:26
DocScrutinizer05	and actually there's some small hope for mer/nemo	00:27
DocScrutinizer05	though I'm afraid I never could revert to stock harmattan once I tried mer/nemo	00:27
kerio	calibrating my battery again :3	00:28
kerio	i can't get higher than -800mA	00:28
DocScrutinizer05	and so my N950 will stay what it is: probably the last and only n950 with original PR version in this universe	00:28
kerio	*lower	00:29
piggz	how do you calibrate a battery?	00:29
kerio	well, you calibrate the chip	00:29
kerio	on the battery	00:29
kerio	i mean	00:30
kerio	based on the battery	00:30
jacekowski	not on n900	00:31
jacekowski	there are no chips in the battery	00:31
kerio	yes, on the n900	00:31
kerio	the chip is on the n900	00:31
jacekowski	it's stored in CAL	00:31
jacekowski	and it's BME job to do stuff with it	00:31
kerio	wut?	00:31
DocScrutinizer05	nope	00:31
kerio	no, i'm talking about bq27200	00:31
kerio	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 here's a guide	00:31
kerio	made by doc's BFF	00:32
DocScrutinizer05	bff?	00:32
kerio	best friend forever	00:32
kerio	:P	00:32
DocScrutinizer05	pfffff	00:32
kerio	no, bff	00:32
DocScrutinizer05	was almost about to click on it	00:32
piggz	cool, my playbook connects to internet via N9 + bluetooth	00:32
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: well, it just says "charge fully and check that VDQ is 1, then drain the battery so it's below 3248mV for 15 seconds, stop bme or it'll fuck you up in the meantime"	00:34
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: you're following this witchcraft?	00:34
jacekowski	that thing isn't used anywhere	00:34
kerio	that's actually what ShadowJK_ said	00:34
jacekowski	bme is using only values from CAL	00:34
kerio	jacekowski: nobody actually uses bme, apart from the builtin battery indicator	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	who cares about bme nowadays?	00:35
kerio	i'm waiting for pali to write his hald-addon-bme replacement that uses actual bq27k data	00:35
kerio	(and the new usbmode GUI that should replace the battery icon in the statusmenu, which is - frankly - useless)	00:37
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DocScrutinizer05	~dict ho ever	00:38
infobot	could not find definition for ho ever	00:38
DocScrutinizer05	thought as much, can't stand it anymore	00:38
kerio	can't stand what?	00:39
merlin1991	piggz: that is "cool" as soon as I can do it over n9 + usb	00:47
merlin1991	in other words somebody has to explain me WTF this joikuspot kernel module does and how I can use it to achieve that :D	00:48
merlin1991	and btw I've spent some time looking at the code (and kernel code)	00:48
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RST38h	http://www.zdnet.com/why-intel-should-buy-nokia-7000002054/	00:49
RST38h	ROTFL	00:49
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kerio	meh, now the chip thinks my battery is 1500mAh	00:53
kerio	(from 1780)	00:53
kerio	i don't even :s	00:53
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DocScrutinizer05	review appreciated: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh	01:33
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ZogG_laptop	vi_: you selling n950? sooo sad =\	01:56
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DocScrutinizer05	someone deparately searching for one would disagree	02:27
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Viltzu	vi_, I'll buy it	02:27
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Viltzu	Oh must offer	02:29
Viltzu	Well meh. I don't know what to offer so I'll pass ;P	02:29
DocScrutinizer05	Viltzu: you're out. vi_ said "only serious offers"	02:32
DocScrutinizer05	so next one to fun-bid earns 24h +q (maybe more, depending on my time to remove the ban)	02:33
Viltzu	Huh. Well I didn't know that he was taking offers and didn't have any direct price for it.	02:34
DocScrutinizer05	[2012-08-04 22:09:39] <vi__> WTS:1x950. Serous offers only.	02:35
Viltzu	Yes. But I just saw that Zog said that vi is selling the N950 :P	02:35
DocScrutinizer05	I took that into account, otherwise you already were +q	02:36
Viltzu	Well thanks :P	02:37
DocScrutinizer05	yw :-)	02:37
DocScrutinizer05	01:38 3678 47 47 -340 541 541 541 65535 95 39 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:1 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0	02:38
DocScrutinizer05	if you wonder: 95 is TTE, so in 1:30 my calib-script should trigger charging	02:39
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DocScrutinizer05	if you wonder: 01:38 is time of day	02:40
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DocScrutinizer05	duh, bq27 die temp went down from 40°C to 38°C during last 45min. No change in load though. I wonder if that's the delightful chill of the night, or actually something working with higher efficiency in N900 while battery volatge drops	02:53
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK_: ^^^ one for you	02:54
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DocScrutinizer05	or is this still the natural chillout from the 49°C it pushed it up by childspin?	02:55
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DocScrutinizer05	yoh, seems to work	04:06
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh	04:06
DocScrutinizer05	even conveniently shuts down backlight on re-enabling bme to charge after complete discharge ;-D	04:07
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.session.log	04:12
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DocScrutinizer05	actually the very last line is BS, the learning cycle is already finished, charging now is a mere 'convenience' thing	04:15
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nagato	Is it possible to make N900 as a live CD ? I want to put Ubuntu or etc linux on N900, to startup on computer when plugin N900 to computer with USB.	04:28
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DocScrutinizer05	nagato: should probably be possible	04:49
DocScrutinizer05	well, or maybe not	04:50
DocScrutinizer05	n900 MyDocs gets exposed as VFAT formatted mass storage, like a usual USB memory stick. However I dunno if PC needs some special formatting other than a partition with VFAT to boot from a USB memstick	04:51
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DocScrutinizer05	might need superflopy rather than a partition	04:52
RiD	what is the stock n900 mydocs reading speed, through usb?	04:52
RiD	i mean writing* sorry	04:52
DocScrutinizer05	some 14MB/s iirc	04:52
DocScrutinizer05	oops writing, dunno for sure	04:53
RiD	well, shouldn't change much i guess	04:53
RiD	i heard wifi was faster (at writing), is that true? I find it hard to believe lol	04:54
DocScrutinizer05	well, the linux on N900 does quite some buffering and caching, so yes, it might be almost same speed like reading	04:54
RiD	54Mb/s are like 6MB/s	04:55
RiD	6,75 actually	04:55
DocScrutinizer05	err, maybe you mean N900 writing TO a USB memestick attached to h-e-n hostmode	04:56
DocScrutinizer05	this might in fact be slow	04:56
RiD	oh, maybe you're right.	04:57
DocScrutinizer05	I heard of a terrible 4MB/s transfer speed in h-e-n	04:57
RiD	Fragmented memory, my brain needs to defrag	04:57
DocScrutinizer05	if that's true then actually accessing any storage via wifi might be faster than direct access to a storage media via h-e-n USB hostmode	04:59
RiD	oh wait, i think i remember now	04:59
RiD	it was about someone comparing copying usb memstick files to n900	04:59
RiD	with wifi	04:59
RST38h	...Deeds has been relaying your questions to me and taking dictation of my response - I assume that once he has done so, he is returning to the telegraph office and wiring my answers to the central offices of this World-Wide Web for distribution.	05:00
DocScrutinizer05	lol	05:01
RiD	what did i just read	05:01
RiD	I'm way out of that expensive english	05:01
DocScrutinizer05	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1247595&postcount=1369	05:02
DocScrutinizer05	calibrate-bq27k.sh ^^^	05:02
jon_y	DocScrutinizer05: booting a VFAT requires the 0xEB boot signature on the first sector	05:10
jon_y	not sure if N900 can expose something like that	05:10
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Macer	Win8 on N900?	05:12
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RiD	Macer: where did you read that?	05:14
Macer	i didn't ... jut thinking about it when someone said "boot from vfat"	05:15
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DocScrutinizer05	Macer: actually any OS on N900, as long as PC can boot it from mass storage mode	05:20
DocScrutinizer05	I think I heard about users doing it	05:20
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DocScrutinizer05	somebody been on a BBQ party and his device been busy with installing some stuff to a PC	05:22
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merlin1991	hm you'd have to call the right scripts to export mass storage prior to plugging in usb though	05:23
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DocScrutinizer05	can't recall other details, except it might have been chem\|st or cetebe	05:23
merlin1991	have had pretty bad results when the sate of indecision took too long	05:23
DocScrutinizer05	seems to me mass storage gets exported already while requester still showing	05:24
merlin1991	depends on what you selected the last time	05:24
merlin1991	though afaik mass storage is the default	05:24
DocScrutinizer05	mhm	05:24
DocScrutinizer05	dafaq 261 users	05:26
merlin1991	#maemo ftw	05:27
DocScrutinizer05	< 270 :-/	05:27
merlin1991	over @ -ssu we have 49 :/	05:27
DocScrutinizer05	weekend?	05:27
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: you seen http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1247595&postcount=1369 ?	05:28
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DocScrutinizer05	it worked fine	05:28
merlin1991	now I have	05:28
* RiD pats DocScrutinizer05 . It's ok... It's ok...		05:28
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RiD	they will be back, i promise	05:29
DocScrutinizer05	(though I admit I used the ineliner posted here)	05:29
DocScrutinizer05	one-liner	05:29
merlin1991	looks interesting though	05:29
merlin1991	btw about battery calibration	05:29
merlin1991	our "external contractor" at the office wanted to put the new ups on the servers into the system without even running a calibration run once	05:30
DocScrutinizer05	even while CI=1 my chip was pretty accurate both in time prediction and capacity	05:31
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: lol	05:31
DocScrutinizer05	could use my script, eh? ;-D	05:32
merlin1991	I guess we got kinda lucky that I happened to be at the office for the first time in a few weeks at exactly the right time :D	05:32
nagato	DocScrutinizer05: what about let computer read live CD system like ubuntu into computer memory, that will reduce the time of exchanging with N900 USB.	05:33
merlin1991	nagato: we'll you'll need a proper live cd system, not everything runs out of the box from usb	05:33
merlin1991	there is some slight difference between boot from usb and boot from cd (though it beats me what exactly it is)	05:34
nagato	merlin1991: I heard that Ubuntu can read things into memory, but not sure.	05:34
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merlin1991	yeah ubuntu cds work like that afaik	05:34
nagato	merlin1991: yes, I want to boot from N900, So I guess is boot from USB	05:35
* merlin1991 darkly remembers somehting about debian not working all that will with this approach		05:35
merlin1991	shit	05:35
merlin1991	s/somehitng/somehting/ s/will/well/ ....	05:35
merlin1991	:D	05:35
nagato	Maybe I should create a new thread on Maemo Talk, let people contribute ideas ?	05:38
merlin1991	i'd try with a ubuntu live disk first	05:39
merlin1991	though in order to boot from that you'll have to have a proper boot sector on your "usb device" which might yield all sorts of difficulties for the n900 itself	05:40
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merlin1991	also that might get stomped on by the g_mass_storage (or what's it called) kernel driver, but again I have no idea about the actual internals of that	05:41
nagato	I want to take only one N900, instead of N900 and a USB, that's why I come up with this idea.	05:41
DocScrutinizer05	I'd guess one of those helper programs to format a usb stick to hold a bootable system will 'just work' from your PC when N900 plugged in	05:41
nagato	DocScrutinizer05: seems possible	05:42
* merlin1991 wonders what $average bios actually does when "booting from usb"		05:42
DocScrutinizer05	and yes, I think there are even usb sticks that don't work for that purpose	05:42
merlin1991	on hdd / cd / dvd I have a good idea of what happens, but I have nfc about usb stuff	05:42
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: yes, those with bad sectors (had 2 linux instalations that died this way shortly after going into use)	05:43
nagato	cool, I will collect more info about this.	05:43
DocScrutinizer05	http://www.experto.de/b2b/computer/hardware/machen-sie-ihren-usb-stick-bootfaehig.html	05:45
merlin1991	nagato: btw the n900 can also export the microsd card over usb as mass storage device (actually does so automatically if it's formated with an vfat partition)	05:45
nagato	merlin1991: I see	05:45
merlin1991	and also yields all kind of funky errors on windows in case the microsd does not have vfat but something else :D	05:45
DocScrutinizer05	http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/	05:46
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: that is a guide to use $random binary from the interwebtz to create a bootable usb device but still says nothing about the internals of what happenes	05:46
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merlin1991	hm unetbootin uses syslinux in oder to get the usb drives booting	05:48
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merlin1991	bah wherever google looks there are silly docs of use $x in order to achieve your goal, I just want the tech internals to see how todo it via the n900	05:50
DocScrutinizer05	http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/unetbootin/wiki/howitworks	05:51
merlin1991	For the Live USB creation mode, UNetbootin generates an appropriate syslinux config file in /syslinux.cfg, and makes your USB drive bootable using syslinux.	05:51
merlin1991	oh sooooo much detail	05:51
merlin1991	I totally know now how it works	05:51
LaoLang_cool	How to active mass storage mode before plugin usb wire with pc?	05:52
LaoLang_cool	s/plugin/connect/	05:52
infobot	LaoLang_cool meant: How to active mass storage mode before connect usb wire with pc?	05:52
merlin1991	there's a script on the system (it has mass storage in the name, but I can't recall the full name atm)	05:53
LaoLang_cool	And how to deactive it?	05:53
LaoLang_cool	merlin1991, in which directory?	05:53
merlin1991	well other than enabling pc-suite mode or g_ether instead you can't "deactivate" it, the n900 kernel always does one of the 3	05:53
merlin1991	LaoLang_cool: it's inside $PATH	05:53
DocScrutinizer05	http://forum.mindfactory.de/windows/55078-tutorial-usb-stick-bootbar.html	05:54
LaoLang_cool	mas<tab> gets nothing :(	05:54
DocScrutinizer05	not much but at least partition and format are there	05:55
merlin1991	LaoLang_cool: I think it was along the lines of enable*	05:55
LaoLang_cool	merlin1991, ena<tab> still gets nothing :(	05:57
merlin1991	ah sorry, it might start with osso-enable*	05:57
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merlin1991	nokia naming policy for stuff inside maemo can be weird at times :D	05:57
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DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: that's the one for you, no? http://tuxtweaks.com/2009/05/create-a-bootable-usb-drive-ubuntu-freedos/	05:58
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: this looks good: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/usb_msc_boot_1.0.pdf	05:58
LaoLang_cool	merlin1991, thank you, I found osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh, after I run it, nothing happened, no any statusbar indicator or notification	06:00
DocScrutinizer05	Typ: application/binary WTF?!	06:01
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merlin1991	LaoLang_cool: that's expected	06:01
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: probably bad mimetypes on their apache, but it's a valid pdf	06:01
LaoLang_cool	merlin1991, hmm, how to test if it works? I still can use file manager to access my file systems	06:02
merlin1991	LaoLang_cool: you should be able to access any vfat partitions on your n900 from the pc now (if it's connected via usb)	06:02
merlin1991	hm seems that pdf is a tic too low level	06:04
merlin1991	but apparently one needs a parition flagged as bootable and a bootloader on it	06:04
merlin1991	in which case I'd probably slap grub2 onto it because I know it	06:04
LaoLang_cool	merlin1991, but without running the script, I can access file system on n900 too...	06:05
DocScrutinizer05	it seems to me there are special requirements regarding naming and location of such bootloader	06:05
LaoLang_cool	No the difference at all, when I connect n900 with usb, a prompt of mode choice will pop up	06:06
merlin1991	LaoLang_cool: that always pops up, actually if you press mass storage there it just executes the script again	06:06
LaoLang_cool	merlin1991, oh, but if I can't let n900 act like a usb before connected via usb, then boot from n900 will be impossible, right?	06:07
merlin1991	LaoLang_cool: theoretically it should act like usb when you plug it in and executed the script beforehand	06:08
merlin1991	you probably should tap outside the selection screen when it pops up though to avoid reseting anything that was already in the making	06:09
LaoLang_cool	merlin1991, no, after I launch the script, it still not work like a usb if I don't choice the mass storage mode in the pop up menu	06:09
merlin1991	that's strange	06:09
LaoLang_cool	It will be in charging only mode	06:10
LaoLang_cool	I'm using cssu stable version, not sure if it's relative	06:10
DocScrutinizer05	05:17 4153 92 92 109 1074 1074 1074 75 65535 36 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:0 EDV1:0 EDVF:0	06:17
DocScrutinizer05	I think it's time to awake it from act_bricked mode ;-)	06:18
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DocScrutinizer05	who's been asking yesterday how to re-establish proper bat icon function after `start bme`? I dunno, except unplug and replug USB charger	06:30
DocScrutinizer05	there's some test program... lemme find it	06:31
DocScrutinizer05	it might be able to simulate a mating round on USB	06:32
DocScrutinizer05	oh sure: ke-recv-test	06:32
DocScrutinizer05	p - enable PC Suite	06:33
DocScrutinizer05	c - enable charging mode	06:33
DocScrutinizer05	m - enable USB mass storage	06:33
DocScrutinizer05	maybe nothing for bat icon but for LaoLang_cool	06:34
DocScrutinizer05	?	06:34
DocScrutinizer05	LaoLang_cool: ^^^	06:35
DocScrutinizer05	LaoLang_cool: ke-recv-test m	06:35
DocScrutinizer05	LaoLang_cool: and since that's finally ke-recv there might indeed be a relation to cssu, though I think cssu-stable still has original ke-recv	06:41
DocScrutinizer05	cssu-t though has a patched version iirc	06:42
LaoLang_cool	DocScrutinizer05, I'm have something to be done, will see your reply, sorry :(	06:43
DocScrutinizer05	np	06:43
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LaoLang_cool	DocScrutinizer05, after run the cmd, still the same here :(	06:45
LaoLang_cool	oh, I run it as user, maybe I should try run as root	06:46
LaoLang_cool	still the same..	06:46
DocScrutinizer05	LaoLang_cool: iirc from early hostmode R&D days, you need to rmmod a module, to stop requester from popping up. After that you can run osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh after plugging USB	06:49
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DocScrutinizer05	it's NOT g_file_storage module which actually already exports mass storage afaik	06:50
DocScrutinizer05	I think it's some g_nokia_* module	06:50
robbiethe1st	You mean for usb mass storage?	06:51
DocScrutinizer05	yep	06:51
DocScrutinizer05	for the requester	06:51
DocScrutinizer05	there's one module to watch USB and pop up the requester, another module for mass storage, and a third one for phonet	06:52
DocScrutinizer05	and other PC suite mode stuff	06:52
robbiethe1st	Yeah.	06:52
robbiethe1st	g_file_storage actually does the exporting	06:52
DocScrutinizer05	to make requester never come up you first need to rmmod the initial module	06:53
DocScrutinizer05	then you can simulate clicking "mass storage" button in the now missing requester by running osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh	06:54
DocScrutinizer05	logger "$0: removing g_nokia"	06:55
DocScrutinizer05	initctl emit G_NOKIA_REMOVE	06:55
DocScrutinizer05	(from osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh)	06:56
DocScrutinizer05	this should remove the requester	06:56
DocScrutinizer05	(if you're root)	06:57
DocScrutinizer05	/sbin/rmmod g_nokia	06:58
DocScrutinizer05	if [ $? != 0 ]; then	06:58
DocScrutinizer05	logger "$0: failed to rmmod g_nokia!"	06:58
DocScrutinizer05	exit 1	06:58
DocScrutinizer05	fi	06:58
LaoLang_cool	DocScrutinizer05, wow, too advanced to me	07:02
DocScrutinizer05	LaoLang_cool: run osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh as root, it should doo all that's needed AIUI	07:05
DocScrutinizer05	LaoLang_cool: there's also osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh	07:06
DocScrutinizer05	LaoLang_cool: I just said "osso-usb-mass-storage-ensable.sh actually does what I had in mind: /sbin/rmmod g_nokia"	07:08
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LaoLang_cool	DocScrutinizer05, I mensioned before that I've tried osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh, without luck :(	07:57
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kerio	DocScrutinizer: about your automatic calibration script...	10:57
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kerio	are you sure the voltage won't drop enough to make bme shut down the phone, once it gets started again for charging?	10:58
LaoLang_cool	Can I control usb charging starts only when the battery level is under 30%?	11:01
LaoLang_cool	And stop charging when level is up to 90%	11:02
kerio	those percentages...	11:03
kerio	i do not think they mean what you think they mean	11:03
LaoLang_cool	kerio, can I set the usb charging behavior? I think it's always charging when connected to usb, maybe it hurts battery life in the way	11:04
kerio	ask ShadowJK_	11:07
kerio	and/or pali	11:07
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DocScrutinizer05	lol	12:15
DocScrutinizer05	sure, ask them!	12:15
LaoLang_cool	O_o	12:15
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jon1012	hi	13:44
jon1012	I got back my n900 from the friend I lended it, but the touchscreen doesn't work anymiore (a scratch broke it)	13:45
jon1012	problem is, when I power it up, it asks for the unlock password which can't be entered with the keyboad	13:45
jon1012	is there anyway to force unlock, or to unlock with keyboard at least ?	13:45
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jacekowski	you can flash it	13:48
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jon1012	or can I install another linux distribution ? (maybe some kind of ubuntu or whatever)	13:49
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jon1012	jacekowski: from what I've header reflashing doesn't remove the activation code	13:50
jon1012	heard*	13:50
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kerio	it's stored in CAL	14:09
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ZogG_laptop	BCMM: missed you =)	14:41
ZogG_laptop	you more and more disappear from #maemo =)	14:41
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BCMM	ZogG_laptop: been on holiday	14:43
BCMM	that reminds me, i've got questions i've been meaning to ask -cssu	14:44
ZogG_laptop	i bet i dunno the answer but people here can asnwer, so ask =)	14:46
DocScrutinizer05	I suggest to /join #maemo-ssu	14:46
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vi__	luke-jr: ping	16:32
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MrPingu	Hello	16:55
MrPingu	Back from 3 weeks holiday	16:55
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MrPingu	Now I shot some videos with a gopro cam, downloaded the baseline3.0 handbrake config for playback on my N900	16:57
MrPingu	Don't know much about video-conversion but I heard 2-pass encoding was better, is it really worth to encode it with 2-pass?	17:00
MrPingu	In terms of quality, idc about filesize and/or conversiontime	17:00
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MrPingu	Yeah, reaver is finaly in the repos :)	17:02
kerio	MrPingu: all hail Pali! o/	17:02
ShadowJK_	kerio; bme behaves a bit differently with charger connected, I used to do it approximately that way, manually	17:03
ShadowJK_	if bme is started with charger connected, it turns off the backlight and stuff though, which cn be confusing	17:04
merlin1991	MrPingu: generally if you do a proper 2-pass encoding you can get more quality per byt	17:04
MrPingu	Lots of good surprises were here after my holidy, some new cssu-thumb releases, kp51 released and reaver in the repos	17:04
merlin1991	s/byt/byte/	17:04
infobot	merlin1991 meant: MrPingu: generally if you do a proper 2-pass encoding you can get more quality per byte	17:04
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MrPingu	What avg bitrate is recommended for n900? Something about 6500 kbps?	17:06
ShadowJK_	Now there is indeed some lower level, which bme with charger connected on startup will consider too low, but then it quits/aborts immediately	17:06
ShadowJK_	meego ce was especially good at triggering this.	17:06
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LaoLang_cool	In http://wiki.maemo.org/Battery_consuming_and_memory_leaking_applications, I find that flashlight consumes battery, so any alternative way (from cli?) to enable flashlight effect?	17:10
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ShadowJK_	I haven't noticed that	17:13
ShadowJK_	hm	17:14
* ShadowJK_ has flashlight-applet		17:14
kerio	>flashlight consumes battery	17:15
kerio	you don't say?	17:15
kerio	:P	17:15
kerio	ShadowJK_: what's that lower level?	17:16
kerio	and how do you exit it?	17:16
ShadowJK_	claims it causes ohmd to use cpu	17:16
ShadowJK_	kerio; dunno, I just ported my script to meego and used that to recover. took about 7 boot-brownout cycles	17:16
kerio	woah	17:16
LaoLang_cool	flashlight is not flashlight-applet?	17:17
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ShadowJK_	there's no mention of it in flashlight-applet's bugtracker either	17:18
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kerio	unrelated: is Catorise still harmful?	17:19
ShadowJK_	probably not with cssu?	17:20
ShadowJK_	atleast I'd hope that hildon-desktop bug would've been fixed in cssu	17:20
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LaoLang_cool	anyway to get a flashlight effect?	17:21
MrPingu	I read on TMO (somewhere) That flashlight-extra was bad while the "normal" flashlight was just fine. Never suspected and investigated further flashlight	17:26
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DocScrutinizer05	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1247595#post1247595 bq24150 semi-automatic calibration	17:45
vi__	if only the author would have released flashlight without the stupid status menu plugin thing.	17:48
vi__	is there a way to disable status menu plugins?	17:50
vi__	where are they located?	17:51
vi__	the status menu plugins that is.	17:52
ShadowJK_	there's no other interface for the flashlight app?	17:52
vi__	ShadowJK_: dbus	17:52
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vi__	which talks to the status menu applet.	17:54
vi__	FAIL	17:54
vi__	an alternative is to run:	17:54
vi__	gst-launch v4l2src ! filesink location=/dev/null	17:55
luke-jr	vi__: pong	17:55
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vi__	then to turn on LED with v412ctl	17:55
vi__	then monitor dbus for the camera cover to close.	17:55
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vi__	this allows for flashlight without that shitty applet.	17:58
* ShadowJK_ is unconviced there's any powerdraw issue anyways		17:59
vi__	ShadowJK_: what do you mean powerdraw issues?	17:59
vi__	with flashlight?	17:59
Wizzup	Has anyone here ever transferred a tar(or any file) over sms?	17:59
ShadowJK_	The original claim that installing flashlight app drains battery	17:59
Wizzup	I want to message a friend who is currently in sweden without internet, but has a n900 which can recieve sms	17:59
Wizzup	I was thinking about base64 encoding a tar.xz	18:00
ShadowJK_	An N900 without internet is like a car without engine. You can tow it with donkeys, but it makes you look as silly as Borat.	18:01
vi__	ShadowJK_: it does cause a bunch of ectra wakeups per second however checking average power use with bq27x00 shows no higher average current drawn.	18:01
ShadowJK_	why is it waking up	18:01
Wizzup	ShadowJK_: Still, it's a fun idea	18:01
vi__	Wizzup: that would be fucking sweet.	18:01
Wizzup	It's only 9000 bytes	18:01
Wizzup	6000, even	18:01
ShadowJK_	and is it waking up at the same time as other stuff (i.e. device already awake)..	18:02
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ShadowJK_	So roughly 50 sms	18:02
Wizzup	Yeah	18:03
Wizzup	I just hope sms doesn't enter extra characters	18:03
vi__	ShadowJK_: as I said. It shows no extra power use in terms of ma drawn however powertop shows extra wakeups.	18:03
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vi__	luke-jr: ping	18:04
ShadowJK_	if it's listening to dbus messages it'd show as wakeup, I think, but as dbus was awake anyway to receive that dbus message and distribute it further...	18:04
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK_: flashlight-extra or whatever been the name raped dbus	18:04
ShadowJK_	?	18:04
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DocScrutinizer05	I had it installed, noticed all kinds of WTF?! and deinstalled it again - which I seem to recall been a pita in itself	18:05
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DocScrutinizer05	plain flashlight app however is ok	18:05
ShadowJK_	there's a plain flashlight app?	18:07
* ShadowJK_ has one that appears in statusmenu when cam door is opened		18:07
DocScrutinizer05	err that's what I got I thought	18:07
DocScrutinizer05	yep that one	18:07
ShadowJK_	flashlight-applet	18:08
ShadowJK_	never heard of flashlight-extra?	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	while the flashlight-extra was about doing all that in a semi-autzomatic way, via accelerometer or whatever	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	and I gather it polled mce or sysfs for that	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	NFC	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	anyway it raped the whole phone	18:09
ShadowJK_	wtf?	18:09
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DocScrutinizer05	Flashlight-Extra	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	Use camera shutter to control Flashlight	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	Use camera shutter (lens cover) to control what to launch:	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	Flashlight or Camera application.	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	.	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	Flashlight	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	Allows you to use flash LEDs as a flashlight.	18:11
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DocScrutinizer05	honestly I - thanks S.Freud - forgot details why flashlight-extra is EVIL	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	the description alone makes no sense: either camera or flashlight kicks in when camera lens cover closed(!!) ?? WTF?!	18:15
luke-jr	vi__: pong	18:15
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DocScrutinizer05	uhuh http://thecodecentral.com/flashlight-extra-for-maemo-nokia-n900, so I wonder what was so damn fsckdup with this silly useful little thing	18:19
DocScrutinizer05	>> Marcus October 28, 2010 8:20 am This program drains my battery This was difficult to trace. Apparently the /etc/event.d/flashlight-extra script is started every 2 seconds. Could there possibly be some wrong registration? Btw: Deinstalling solved the thing	18:21
DocScrutinizer05	>> Mike December 6, 2010 5:26 pm I don't know about pr1.2, but this does not play nice with pr1.3, including with Titan's power kernel. Upon installation, it worked but I noticed everything became real laggy. CPU util went way up. On de-installation the system was somewhat more responsive but CPU is still high: it has apparently done something to make ohmd eat cycles which persists between reboots. I'm trying to fix this and there are	18:22
DocScrutinizer05	seversl TMO threads on the subject. This is a nice app, but you guys really need to fix this major bug!	18:22
DocScrutinizer05	so doc's advice: don't touch it, it's been a PITA to fix	18:23
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narcos	sed on busybox doesn't have the -u flag (unbuffered)	18:24
jonwil	obvious question is to examine what it does and see why what its doing causes the bad things to happen	18:24
narcos	Any ideas if I can update sed easily, or another way to make it unbuffered?	18:24
DocScrutinizer05	narcos: why you need unbuffered? anyway get gnu-sed	18:25
DocScrutinizer05	~messybox	18:25
infobot	messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils	18:25
narcos	DocScrutinizer: I need unbuffered output because my script is infinite.	18:26
narcos	DocScrutinizer: Can I get gnu-sed for busybox...?	18:26
DocScrutinizer05	err no	18:26
DocScrutinizer05	there's no such thing since busybox is monolitic	18:27
DocScrutinizer05	sed-gnu	18:27
DocScrutinizer05	apt-get install sed-gnu	18:27
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narcos	DocScrutinizer: Gotcha, installed	18:28
narcos	Hmm	18:29
narcos	Should that replace my existing sed, or create a new binary sed-gnu?	18:29
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narcos	('cos neither seem to have happened)	18:29
DocScrutinizer05	hmm? invoke as gsed or /usr/bin/gnu/sed	18:30
narcos	Ah, yeah, just found it with dpkg -L	18:31
narcos	And it has the -u flag, awesome.	18:31
narcos	Thank you DocScrutinizer	18:31
DocScrutinizer05	yw	18:33
narcos	Epic, script works lovely now.	18:33
kerio	yay messybox removal	18:33
DocScrutinizer05	narcos: or - better - set your path appropriately	18:33
DocScrutinizer05	see:	18:33
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	18:33
infobot	i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	18:33
DocScrutinizer05	which does that for bash	18:33
DocScrutinizer05	/gnu/ overriding /	18:34
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: there's no mention of sed-gnu	18:34
narcos	ah nice	18:34
DocScrutinizer05	and no, kerio. nobody removes messybox	18:34
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: there's also no mention of rice crackers	18:35
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kerio	is /usr/bin/gnu optified?	18:38
kerio	i mean, the stuff that ends up there	18:38
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DocScrutinizer05	afaik not	18:50
DocScrutinizer05	lemme check	18:50
DocScrutinizer05	all optified, except 3 or 4 binaries	18:51
DocScrutinizer05	I actually did that test like a week before	18:51
DocScrutinizer05	cmp diff diff3 rgrep sdiff updatedb	18:53
DocScrutinizer05	43 Mar 19 2010 rgrep	18:54
DocScrutinizer05	so forget that 43byte thingie	18:54
kerio	how much does a symlink weigh?	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	6	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jul 26 2010 md5sum.textutils -> md5sum	18:56
kerio	"/opt/grep/rgrep" is longer than 6 characters	18:56
DocScrutinizer05	~ # file /usr/bin/gnu/rgrep	18:57
DocScrutinizer05	/usr/bin/gnu/rgrep: Bourne shell script text executable	18:57
DocScrutinizer05	will eat a whole block anyway	18:57
DocScrutinizer05	no matter if 6 or 43 or 200	18:57
DocScrutinizer05	unless ubi is special here	18:58
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kerio	ubi is a way of dealing with flash memory	18:59
kerio	ubifs is a fs that works on ubi	18:59
kerio	and yes, it's "special"	18:59
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DocScrutinizer05	there are a number of "special" fs: some store very small data chunks to the inode directly, thus not eating _any_ additional disk space	19:05
DocScrutinizer05	others like reiserfs do basically not use blocks at all	19:06
DocScrutinizer05	and ubifs does some compression	19:06
DocScrutinizer05	honestly, I couldn't care less	19:07
DocScrutinizer05	...looking at that 43 byte scriptie called egrep	19:07
DocScrutinizer05	rgrep even	19:07
DocScrutinizer05	#!/bin/sh	19:08
DocScrutinizer05	exec /usr/bin/gnu/grep -r "$@"	19:08
DocScrutinizer05	I think there's funnier stuff to deal with	19:09
DocScrutinizer05	e.g. "why is cmp/diff* not optified?"	19:09
DocScrutinizer05	18680 Apr 21 2010 cmp 61316 Apr 21 2010 diff 18960 Apr 21 2010 diff3 18204 Apr 21 2010 sdiff	19:11
DocScrutinizer05	117k if my math still works	19:12
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DocScrutinizer05	I might ignore 9779 Apr 8 18:10 updatedb	19:13
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kerio	updatedb is a shell script	19:15
kerio	diff probably needs to be optified	19:15
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: by the way, updatedb with the change written in ~jrtools doesn't actually work for me	19:15
kerio	it calls gnu find by default, now	19:15
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: I know, I fixed it	19:17
kerio	=3	19:17
DocScrutinizer05	;-P	19:17
kerio	then update your wiki page!	19:17
DocScrutinizer05	huh?	19:17
kerio	~jrtools	19:18
DocScrutinizer05	well, dafaq	19:18
kerio	oh balls	19:18
DocScrutinizer05	indeed	19:18
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DocScrutinizer05	she's out again	19:18
DocScrutinizer05	seems she needs a secretary, or loong holiday	19:18
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DocScrutinizer05	povbot: seen infobot	19:19
povbot	DocScrutinizer05: infobot was last seen in #maemo 45 minutes and 37 seconds ago: <infobot> i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	19:19
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nox-	http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/business-it/nokia-closes-australian-development-office-20120803-23kc4.html	21:07
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Gh0sty	in a couple of months	21:07
Gh0sty	nokia closes its books!	21:07
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RST38h	"They will become popular when we get away from the word insects and use something like mini-livestock"	21:11
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DocScrutinizer05	400g mini-livestock fried, with potatoes, please	21:42
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Wizzup	so to anyone who is interested, I pretty much figured out the sms tar	22:36
Wizzup	Luckily the sms db is sqlite3, so we can easily concat the sms'es with sqlite3	22:36
Wizzup	with smssend it is easy to send a batch of sms, so it's pretty much done	22:36
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ShadowJK_	how did you coordinate this without internets	22:39
Wizzup	I sms'd him	22:39
Wizzup	:D	22:39
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DocScrutinizer05	huh?	23:00
* DocScrutinizer05 thinks he has a tiny bit less than zarro context		23:01
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DocScrutinizer05	I might make some sense out of Wizzup's first line. 2nd gets hard, 3rd & 4th is mere gibberish	23:03
ShadowJK_	He was in here earlier today, wanting to send a tarball over sms	23:03
DocScrutinizer05	do what?	23:03
ShadowJK_	Use SMS text messages as data transport, to move a .tar.xz from one N900 in america to another N900 in sweden	23:03
DocScrutinizer05	duh	23:04
ShadowJK_	I told him a N900 without internet connectivity is like a car without engine, you can use donkeys to pull it, but then you look as stupid as borat	23:04
DocScrutinizer05	my old Nokia 6210 had multi-sms as transport for WAP	23:04
DocScrutinizer05	even for generic data	23:04
DocScrutinizer05	seems 15 years ago it been a valid alternative to GPRS	23:05
r00t\|n900	yay for WAP 1.x	23:05
DocScrutinizer05	and HSCSD	23:05
DocScrutinizer05	anyway seems a layer mess when sqlite db gets involved	23:06
DocScrutinizer05	pnatd for sender side, direct dbus interface on RX side to skim the raw text	23:07
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Wizzup	@ rx side, sqlite seemed like a nice way to do it seeing I am not in direct contact with him atm	23:12
Wizzup	ShadowJK_: also, I don't live in America :)	23:14
ShadowJK_	oops	23:14
ShadowJK_	Well too far away for sneakernet	23:14
Wizzup	yep, amsterdam	23:15
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DocScrutinizer05	wait, one SMs is how much? 160char? for 2ct? 0.1ct?	23:28
Wizzup	Well, I got about 1000 sms/month anyway, and I never really use them	23:28
Wizzup	This was 57 sms	23:28
DocScrutinizer05	at least 10 char for CRC and sequence number	23:28
Wizzup	start_time should be enough @ seq num	23:29
DocScrutinizer05	damn small .tgz	23:29
Wizzup	yeah, it's three patches	23:29
DocScrutinizer05	you probably should use a reed solomon code instead of plain .tgz snippets with some kind of serial number and CRC	23:31
DocScrutinizer05	;-D	23:31
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DocScrutinizer05	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Solomon	23:33
DocScrutinizer05	particularly good when bursts of e.g. 160 symbols are error	23:34
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Wizzup	DocScrutinizer05: jw, why do you expect an error?	23:39
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DocScrutinizer05	SMS may get lost	23:48
DocScrutinizer05	unless you want to use a acknowledging protocol, some kind of forward error correction might help	23:49
DocScrutinizer05	otoh SMS actually offers some level of ACK for free. If you ask for reception ack	23:51
Wizzup	ah, nice	23:51
DocScrutinizer05	then it's often the feedback for reception ack that gets lost in international SMs transfer	23:52
Wizzup	lol	23:52
Venemo	~seen SfietKonstantin	23:55
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