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| ZogG_laptop | Estel_: it doesn't prove anything, as most people here donated, helped others, communicated... | 00:09 |
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| Estel_ | donated != organized donations | 00:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | there are people who did that too | 00:10 |
| Estel_ | organized donations = moved own ass to find thing required, organize gathering funds, pick it up using money,s end to recipent, and being respected enough to actually get donations | 00:10 |
| Estel_ | Sure, and almost none of them candidate for council, sadly :( | 00:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | so? | 00:10 |
| Estel_ | too busy for politics, probably. and that is problem - Council is, suprisingly, not about politics | 00:10 |
| Estel_ | well, it's a pity for community, that's all | 00:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | man, you stop right there. | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | when we end up with people "wanting" to become councilors, cause they're not occupied by actually contributing as organisers, it end up with politicians in Council | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | You asked | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | if You ask without need for getting answer, go away and don't use my time, I answered honestly and verbosely. | 00:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | but you are excatly type of person you rant about | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | Can't respect thjat someone use own time to answer your question for obvious things? gtfo. | 00:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | so you should like mne, as i'm not in Council anymore due to my decision | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | and i try to convince people that actually organsie things to candidate | 00:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | no i don't | 00:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | you just want to get back a piece of cake | 00:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's all | 00:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | just live with it | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | fine, but it is entirely your problem. Have something valuable to say, or You just going to try to prove me, that organisers like freemangordon or vi_ ar enot good for council, and You are? | 00:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | i never sad i'm good for council and never asked for that | 00:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's not me or someone else | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | honestly - I can be eprfectly honest, as i'm not p[olitician - kiss my ass. Your contributions ammount is clsoe to zero, but You like to accuse others about "Wanting a piece of cake". | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | go, do something useful Yourself. | 00:13 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Estel_: or maybe you don't know my contribution? | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | not to mention that You're quite borderline - one day You're whinning here how lfie is unfair and people bad because Your personal preoblems with work, and other day You argue jsut for sake of arguing, when someone try to convince *others* to candidate for Council | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | have problem with me convincing vi_? Sure, don't vote for him, if he agrees (which seems unlikely) | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | Estel_: lol | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | you ranting about how others are bad | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | now You can go and *** yourself with stun baton, I'm off, no need to waste time with you | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | and not only promoting vi | 00:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think he can decide for himself(c) your quote several times | 00:15 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Estel_: i hope you didn't start to drink when you quit your "job". have a good time... and btw contributing is not if you council or not, or even was kicked out of... | 00:16 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 offers +q for free | 00:17 | |
| befr0d | wanna check how my app looks ZogG_laptop? :P | 00:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i think the pal here need timel to chill out, and stop making revolutions | 00:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | befr0d: why not | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next one with an unfriendly word, notion, attitude, whatever, or the wrong md5 across his nick, earns first +q | 00:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | befr0d: but you need to make t-shirt "ZogG is da best contributor ever - he tested how my app looks like" :P | 00:18 |
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| befr0d | md5 is insecure :p | 00:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 00:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | befr0d: so i wanna test | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly guys, one whole screen full of bitchingt | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I haven't even scrolled back yet, to find more | 00:19 |
| befr0d | ZogG_laptop: hold on let me upload it | 00:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: don't read from the begining before judging | 00:20 |
| vi__ | what is +q? | 00:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi__: it means quite | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +q == STFU | 00:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | or STFU in Doc's language | 00:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | =) | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: I'm not the judge, I'm the ATF | 00:29 |
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| chem|st | ~popcorn | 01:21 |
| infobot | somebody said popcorn was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0f2YL_MThI, which is epic. | 01:21 |
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| sfdsdgfsd | ~pornstar | 01:34 |
| sfdsdgfsd | ~seen pornstar | 01:34 |
| infobot | sfdsdgfsd: i haven't seen 'pornstar' | 01:34 |
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| Estel_ | I must say, that Pali's hostmode is awesome | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | without any disregard for H-E-N and it's authors (and considering, that Pali's hostmode is derived from this code, so hats off), it made H-E-N virtually obsolete | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | and it's close to make it rpactically obsolete | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | autodetection of speed works like a charm, worked 7/70 attempts with different devices, for now | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | and during different conditions, I tried to stress it | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | even found some small bugs, like with HUBs | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | (trivial to fix, need to extend time before switchign speed during guessing, and then it works OK) | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | and to this proper integration with system, and we have obvious candidate for cssu-thumb | 01:39 |
| Estel_ | BTw, IDK what Pali did, but high-speed became completely reliable | 01:40 |
| Estel_ | no more bitching with enumerating it - I jsut fire it up with USB HD or pendrive, and forget | 01:40 |
| Estel_ | after few seconds (well, sometimes up to 15, but that's prive for auto-guessing) it's enumerated | 01:40 |
| Estel_ | maybe he use better time in script that I did manually, or twaked something during kernel integration - most important thing is that it works as it should, never expected it to happen so quickly | 01:41 |
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| kerio | Estel_: i had to increase the times a bit | 01:45 |
| kerio | but yeah, it works great for me too | 01:45 |
| Estel_ | what are Your time values? | 01:47 |
| Estel_ | times between attempts to change speed? | 01:47 |
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| Estel_ | btw see #maemo and my question | 01:56 |
| Estel_ | well, I'm starting upgrading ED to wheezy :) | 01:57 |
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| kerio | Estel_: yeah, i put them to 2 seconds between boost and enum, and 4 seconds before checking successful enumeration | 02:11 |
| kerio | perhaps they could be tightened a bit, but meh | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | between boost and enum is probably not needed, but before checking enumeration is good idea | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | which line fo script it is in? i haven't traced it yet | 02:11 |
| kerio | Estel_: i think it waits 2 seconds by default | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | and no need, if You traced it already ;) | 02:11 |
| kerio | search for usb_enum | 02:12 |
| kerio | or "if usb_attached" | 02:12 |
| kerio | there are two sleep calls | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 02:12 |
| kerio | i put them as 2 and 4, not sure what the defaults are | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | damn, Pali told me sysfs lcoation fro altering current used during charging, but it was on IRc, now need to search through logs... silly me should write it instantly | 02:14 |
| kerio | ~pali | 02:16 |
| infobot | somebody said pali was http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 02:16 |
| kerio | /sys/class/power_supply/bqwhatever | 02:17 |
| kerio | probably | 02:17 |
| Estel_ | yea, found it | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | w-wut? | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq24150-0/charge_current | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | 1750 | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | dafuq? 0_o? | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | da very, very fuck? | 02:21 |
| kerio | oh wow | 02:21 |
| kerio | neat | 02:21 |
| kerio | your battery must be really good | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | maybe it calculates it from my battery capacity | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | well, it's not calibrated yet | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | it's 3Ah, and now calibrated as 2,6Ah only | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | still, charging chip will accept 1250 max | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | and given such value jsut use default 950 i'm afraid | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq24150-0/current_limit | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | 1800 | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | suuure | 02:23 |
| kerio | Estel_: try putting it in the 500mA mode | 02:24 |
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| Estel_ | cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq24150-0/termination_current | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | 6650 | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | wut? Are the divided by smth, or what? | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | s/divided/to be divided/ | 02:25 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: wut? Are the to be divided by smth, or what? | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, any comment on those values? Do you have idea, how they should be "consumed"? | 02:27 |
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| Estel_ | here is source code that implement those entries | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/bq2415x_charger.patch;hb=HEAD#l1319 | 02:28 |
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| Estel_ | it seems, that 1750 is 950 mAh | 02:55 |
| Estel_ | 300 more than 1750 is 2050, which is what sysfs want to accept as max, so it's 1250, which is also 300 more than 950 | 02:55 |
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| Estel_ | lwoest possible value is 1350, which is 400 less than 1750 (default value), jsut like 550 is 400 less than 950 | 02:56 |
| Estel_ | and 450 is lowest possible value for chip as in mA | 02:56 |
| Estel_ | I wonder, why it translates like that iun sysfs entries | 02:56 |
| Estel_ | no idea about current_limit that is 1800 by default, and doesn't want to set itself higher | 02:56 |
| Estel_ | or termiantion_current which is 6650, no idea how to translate it to real numbers | 02:56 |
| Estel_ | maybe the same way as charge_current ;) | 02:56 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, erm, check the bq27xx datasheet? | 02:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Then, setup an i2C call snooper | 02:57 |
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| Estel_ | why i2c call snooper? Pali already included charging module in kernel | 03:18 |
| Estel_ | it's just about editing syfs entries for it | 03:18 |
| robbiethe1st | In that case, you've got the source | 03:19 |
| Estel_ | BTW, i've checked charge.sh script used in backupmenu, and it's indeed outdated one, not the latest and greates shadowjk prepared | 03:19 |
| Estel_ | sure: | 03:19 |
| Estel_ | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/bq2415x_charger.patch;hb=HEAD#l1319 | 03:19 |
| Estel_ | now, do you have idea how values are calculated re mA values? :) | 03:19 |
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| Estel_ | charge_current is for sur elike I described it, but termination_current doesn't want to play nicely | 03:20 |
| Estel_ | it's 6550 by default, which seems to be 100 mA | 03:20 |
| Estel_ | as lowest is 6500, which would be 50 mA, lowest accepted by chip | 03:20 |
| Estel_ | but, if You change it, you can't change it back to 6550, it jsut doesn't maccept it (!) despite it was default value | 03:21 |
| Estel_ | then, higher current accepted by chip is 400 mA, which would be 6850. But, it accept 6800 as max | 03:21 |
| Estel_ | and generally, no matter what You set, it changes itself to *either* 6800 or 6500, doesn;'t accept anything between, even default value of 6550. I wonde,r if it's bug | 03:21 |
| Estel_ | after all, default value of sysfs entry should be re-aplicable later, too? | 03:22 |
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| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, I've updated charge script in backupmenu | 03:30 |
| Estel_ | also, I've included things needed for lzma comprfession in extrafiles and, where applicable in filelist.txt (list to copy) | 03:30 |
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| Estel_ | lzma compression is much more effective than gzip for things we have in rootfs and optfs | 03:31 |
| Estel_ | and people who used compressed backup - like me - do it overnight, usually, so increased time shouldn't be a concern | 03:31 |
| robbiethe1st | OK | 03:31 |
| Estel_ | as a result, my rootfs.tar.lzma file from backupmenu is ~60 MB (!) | 03:31 |
| Estel_ | wanna me to push update to extras-devel? | 03:32 |
| robbiethe1st | Out of curiosity, can we use lzma compression in ubifs? | 03:32 |
| Estel_ | erm? how so? we're lzma'ing tar with rootfs content | 03:32 |
| Estel_ | jsut like we're gzip'ing tar with rootfs content, before | 03:32 |
| robbiethe1st | Not BM wisr | 03:33 |
| Estel_ | ah | 03:33 |
| robbiethe1st | I mean, in the FS itself? | 03:33 |
| Estel_ | no idea, honestly | 03:33 |
| Estel_ | doesn't see why not, though | 03:33 |
| Estel_ | you can put there lzma file as any other | 03:33 |
| Estel_ | but, we have compression already there, transparent one | 03:33 |
| Estel_ | IDK if putting lzma compressed file wouldn't result in file becoming *bigger* after ubifs compression on it | 03:33 |
| robbiethe1st | I mean to use LZMA as that transparent compression, instead of gzip or w/e | 03:33 |
| Estel_ | no. | 03:33 |
| Estel_ | we can't | 03:33 |
| Estel_ | and it would be GODDAMN slow | 03:34 |
| robbiethe1st | For writes, reads or both? | 03:34 |
| Estel_ | we're using gzip as ubifs transparent compression? I think that it's not true | 03:34 |
| robbiethe1st | BM wise, send me a copy of the tarball please | 03:34 |
| robbiethe1st | I recall that there's two types of transparent compression in ubifs | 03:34 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, sure, another thing - in my modification, compression is done via lzma only, no option to gz it (I jsut replaced what was needed), You may want to allow 2 types of comnpression | 03:35 |
| robbiethe1st | One which is used for new files, and one which was used on /some/ of the files in the rootfs image | 03:35 |
| Estel_ | still, I think that if someone compress it, he want msot compression, and don't care about time | 03:35 |
| robbiethe1st | Probably, yeah | 03:35 |
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| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, unfortunately, I have no idea as for ubifs compression :( | 03:35 |
| Estel_ | I wonder where it is documented, for our case of N900 rootfs | 03:35 |
| robbiethe1st | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBIFS - zlib(deflate) or LZO | 03:36 |
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| Estel_ | but no idea about our possible duality of compression types? | 03:38 |
| Estel_ | BTW, i'm all for - when we will have everything possible thumb2-compiled - optifying rest if needed, and disabling compression at all | 03:38 |
| Estel_ | should give some ncie speed boost to out lovely N900 | 03:38 |
| Estel_ | s/ncie/nice/ | 03:38 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: should give some nice speed boost to out lovely N900 | 03:38 |
| Estel_ | even now I have 70 MB free rootfs, with everything thumb2'ed, it will be more - then some optification, and we should fit rootfs there | 03:39 |
| Estel_ | then, it would be really good to put things that need to be executed quickly on rootfs | 03:39 |
| Estel_ | as now practical action is to move things that we need to execute very fast OUT of rootfs | 03:39 |
| Estel_ | like qt libs | 03:40 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon tried with putting them on rootfs, due to increased space thansk to thumb2, and measurement clearly highlighted when and how much compression hurts performance | 03:40 |
| Estel_ | ..and that as result, libs are executing faster from optfs | 03:40 |
| robbiethe1st | I wonder; could you raid together a portion of the eMMC and your SD card(raid 0, obviously) for better performance? | 03:41 |
| Estel_ | naaah, those media have different speeds | 03:41 |
| Estel_ | and raid on flash is pathetic | 03:41 |
| Estel_ | there was even some funny article about raid on usb sticks ;) | 03:41 |
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| Estel_ | theoretically it should be double speed of slowest medium, i.e. emmc | 03:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah | 03:42 |
| Estel_ | practical benefit is close to 0 | 03:42 |
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| Estel_ | swap on uncompressed rootfs would be very fast, but, it's wear&tear | 03:42 |
| Estel_ | I preffer to sue microSd for swap. It's pity, that they don't produce oens with superfast random write speed :) | 03:42 |
| Estel_ | or ones with 2 partitions, one being RAM :P | 03:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Why not look into more practical handling of memory? use zswap or w/e, possibly optimize the swap algorithms to only write in blocks etc. | 03:43 |
| Estel_ | 2 psychical ones, of course | 03:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Also, possibly change memory page size from what... 1MB down to 4K? | 03:43 |
| Estel_ | compache is sued already, and still sucks, unfortunately | 03:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Then the page size that gets swapped out is smaller? | 03:43 |
| Estel_ | optimizations are done, i use optimized settings, freemangordon too, and it makes lfie easier, but | 03:43 |
| Estel_ | rewriting swpa alghoritms to introduce proper garbage collectors is quite hard | 03:44 |
| Estel_ | possible, but no trivial task | 03:44 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK have idea how it *should* look | 03:44 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, after discussion with him, agreed that without it, we don't have much possibilities for improving it | 03:44 |
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| Estel_ | BTW, for now, refreshing swap as in package ereswap is a way to go | 03:44 |
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| Estel_ | I sue 2Gb swap partition on microSd, and refreshing it isn't bad | 03:45 |
| Estel_ | but, it never ever crerates something comparable to more RAM, obviously | 03:45 |
| Estel_ | refreshjing swap, we already have benefits that we would have with rewriting swap alghoritms (it would just eliminate need for refreshing) | 03:45 |
| Estel_ | as initially, swap is written in pure linear form, from beginning of partition to the end | 03:45 |
| Estel_ | problems start after filling whole available space and re-using previously freed portions | 03:46 |
| Estel_ | ereswap deals with that | 03:46 |
| Estel_ | by disabling and enablign swap :P | 03:46 |
| Estel_ | + introducing safety mechanisms, like backup swap to be able to boot device in case of microSd card missing/malfunctioning, etc | 03:46 |
| robbiethe1st | I wonder... what if you simply got a small(256mb or so) ram chip-board attached to some sort of controller. Attach it to the back, connect to one of the IO pins internally | 03:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Use it as a block device with custom driver. | 03:46 |
| Estel_ | good luck with connecting it to internal pins, RAM is on OneNAND chip | 03:47 |
| robbiethe1st | No, not to the ram. | 03:47 |
| Estel_ | ah, IO chips./ Well, i think they're too slow | 03:47 |
| Estel_ | no idea, though | 03:47 |
| Estel_ | and "some kind of controller" is the tricky part, probably | 03:47 |
| robbiethe1st | Likely | 03:47 |
| Estel_ | I would be first one to use 1GB notebook-sized ram in mugen cover :) | 03:47 |
| robbiethe1st | You might be able to do it over USB, though; at >20mb/sec random reads/writes | 03:48 |
| Estel_ | less, our hostmode allow 4MB/s speeds only, even in high | 03:48 |
| Estel_ | speed mode | 03:48 |
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| Estel_ | honestly, over wifi would be faster ;) | 03:48 |
| Estel_ | but it's rather faster swap than ram | 03:49 |
| nox- | haha swapping over nfs over wifi? | 03:49 |
| Estel_ | ;P | 03:49 |
| robbiethe1st | That'd be cool | 03:49 |
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| Estel_ | ?I suspect wifi ping would kill the idea | 03:49 |
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| Estel_ | probably, USB one too | 03:50 |
| nox- | probably | 03:50 |
| * nox- gets 30ms roundtrip times over wifi iirc | 03:50 | |
| robbiethe1st | Actually, though, the best idea is simply to reduce the memory & code footprint of your applications | 03:50 |
| Estel_ | i.e. it would, with much effort, prove to be beneficial, but by 10 or 15%, and using megatons of battery power :P | 03:50 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, say it to fennec developers | 03:50 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah :\ | 03:50 |
| Estel_ | but, we're doing it via thumb :) | 03:50 |
| Estel_ | Some will not admit it, but cssu-thumb is already a fork of CSSU, due to awesome slowness on adapting good things on the latter | 03:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Which I'm skeptical about, as that reduces CPU effeciency | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, it doesn't, in fact | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | theoretically, yes, rpactically, no | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | and due they introduced better compiler with thumb... | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | practical output is faster, and many placebo-prone people admit it | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | including me | 03:51 |
| Estel_ | i.e. with old compiler, there was no detectable slowdown, even by biased ones | 03:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Couldn't we just use a better compiler with ARM, then? | 03:52 |
| Estel_ | with new compiler, everyone You ask says it's faster | 03:52 |
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| Estel_ | probably, but why no with thumb, as speed loses are theoretical only, and memory advantages are huge | 03:52 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, the most important thing then: Can we get (most of) MicroB recompiled? | 03:52 |
| Estel_ | engine, for sure | 03:53 |
| Estel_ | UI, no chances | 03:53 |
| robbiethe1st | Mainly the rendering engine, which should the part that takes up the CPU | 03:53 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon and zeq are fighting with fennec to make it usable, as first step | 03:53 |
| Estel_ | allowing using it's gecko engine with microB Ui is another step | 03:53 |
| Estel_ | rendering engine - absolutely yes | 03:53 |
| robbiethe1st | Isn't that what MicroB already has? An old version of Gecko? | 03:53 |
| Estel_ | idela solution would be to use fennec gui with tabs, extensions etc for everyday use, and microB with same engine, for situations when you need microB specific features, like cursor mode | 03:54 |
| Estel_ | yes | 03:54 |
| Estel_ | but putting new gecko isn't swap-in thing | 03:54 |
| Estel_ | well, even with new engine, microB won't be comaptible with addons, sadly | 03:54 |
| Estel_ | I'm happy that freemangordon and zeq took fighting with gecko and fennec, but OTOH sometimes I wonder if proper port of chromium wouldn't be more beneficial, in long run | 03:55 |
| Estel_ | it have cursor mode out of box... | 03:55 |
| robbiethe1st | We already have a couple of addons(like flash click-to-play) | 03:55 |
| Estel_ | extensions compatibility | 03:55 |
| Estel_ | and isn't as much of memory hog as fennec | 03:55 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, yea, but not most important ones :P and no tab browsing | 03:55 |
| robbiethe1st | Couldn't we implement a wrapper for "proper" addons? | 03:55 |
| Estel_ | nah, every addon need own re-write | 03:55 |
| Estel_ | their work on engine level, but not in Ui one | 03:56 |
| Estel_ | blame Nokia | 03:56 |
| robbiethe1st | Tab browsing, though, really isn't a priority for me - Maemo's switcher is better than the tabs I've seen | 03:56 |
| Estel_ | fennec tabsd are more convenient, but I agree that it isn't a priority | 03:56 |
| Estel_ | it's jsut fuckin irritating that You can't open new tab in background, without switching to it | 03:56 |
| Estel_ | in microB | 03:56 |
| Estel_ | new tab = auto-switch, minimizing, going back to where You've been reading | 03:56 |
| Estel_ | 7x more time spent | 03:56 |
| Estel_ | on chromium I just click a link wioth 3th mosue button modifier (shift + fn in my case) | 03:57 |
| Estel_ | and it gently opens in background, as another tab | 03:57 |
| Estel_ | chromium via easy debian - I suspect, that if it would get same treatment as fennec got from freemangordon and zeq, it would work quite fast | 03:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Chromium port would be useful; I've got the 'desktop' chromium port which would be perfectly good | 03:57 |
| Estel_ | with spell checking, things like lazarus form recovery etc installable | 03:57 |
| Estel_ | well, i use chromium via easy debian, and it's OK - especially, when You have more RAM available, thanksw to thumb2 | 03:58 |
| Estel_ | but proper port would be even better | 03:58 |
| Estel_ | when we're speaking about browsers, I finally must test this unreleased, end-product quality flash 10 plugin, discovered not so long ago | 03:58 |
| robbiethe1st | Ooh, link~! | 03:59 |
| Estel_ | no idea, it was quite a "conspiracy" for some time | 03:59 |
| Estel_ | it started with some random dude discovering Nokia's internal repo | 03:59 |
| Estel_ | available for public | 03:59 |
| Estel_ | idiot started to send links to many people | 03:59 |
| Estel_ | wanting only flash 10 from it, as he found it there | 03:59 |
| Estel_ | Pali, me and other guys decided to not announce it unless repos will be mirrored | 04:00 |
| Estel_ | and domain searched for other repos | 04:00 |
| Estel_ | AFAIk no additional ones were found | 04:00 |
| Estel_ | it was mirrored weeks ago, though, and still no one announced it officialy, despite it's already spoken topic, on IRC | 04:00 |
| Estel_ | (that's why i'm not afraid of talking about it) | 04:00 |
| Estel_ | no chances of uploading it to cSSU, though | 04:00 |
| Estel_ | stupid Nokians, it was finished in 2010 | 04:00 |
| robbiethe1st | Ah. Just give me a link. | 04:01 |
| Estel_ | never released, though | 04:01 |
| robbiethe1st | Dun care if it's released, I want to mess with it. ;) | 04:01 |
| Estel_ | Don't have it handy, ask freemangordon or Pali in normal hours | 04:01 |
| Estel_ | i msut do same thing | 04:01 |
| Estel_ | I have this link "somewhere" | 04:01 |
| Estel_ | can't recall now, though | 04:01 |
| robbiethe1st | k | 04:01 |
| Estel_ | which will end in me asking for link too ;) | 04:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | how large a repo? | 04:05 |
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| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, it was quite big IIRC | 04:10 |
| Estel_ | although, haven't heard of anything useful beyond flash 10 found there | 04:10 |
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| Estel_ | BTw I wonder if this "random guy" sending link haven't got it from some Nokian, that didn't wanted it to waste itself when they pull the plug | 04:11 |
| Estel_ | who knows | 04:11 |
| Estel_ | pester Pali and freemangordon for it, it's due time to announce something in public :) | 04:11 |
| Estel_ | You can skip pestering Council - it's good if they have any idea about it, actually. when I was councilor I've sent a mail about it to Council mailing list, but no one ever replied | 04:12 |
| Estel_ | interest was close to 0, if You don't count Woody14_something being angry that he haven't been considered "worthy" to receive link from said "one who found it" ;) | 04:13 |
| Estel_ | nah, lets stop her,e until I'll say too much about Council internals :) | 04:13 |
| Estel_ | It's udnerstandable that such file, as being not nokia copyrighted, won't be available for installation oficially, from repos | 04:13 |
| Estel_ | although, wget script setting it up and downloading + torrent should be applicable | 04:14 |
| jonwil | I checked the repository file of this repo vs the normal repo and didn't find anything interesting except the Flash plugin | 04:14 |
| Estel_ | at best, private repo, hosted by someone in country where sharing such thing in PRIVATE repo isn't forbidden | 04:14 |
| Estel_ | jonwil, exactly, that was what I knew | 04:14 |
| Estel_ | jonwil, btw, have You link handy? | 04:14 |
| Estel_ | for flash? | 04:14 |
| jonwil | that I dont | 04:14 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, iI've finished code cleanup for backupmenu | 04:15 |
| Estel_ | sending it | 04:15 |
| jonwil | I have no interest in Flash on the N900, never had a reason to use it | 04:15 |
| Estel_ | although, you know me, it's not path, just updated version of scripts and extrafiles.tar.gz, everything bundled together :) | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | For a while, it worked very well with Iplayer | 04:15 |
| Estel_ | jonwil, same here, mostly | 04:15 |
| ds3 | Flash might work well to turn the N900 into a hand warmer app | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | fullscreen video worked well | 04:15 |
| jonwil | I think the only other thing in this repo that was even remotely interesting was some extra feedservice plugins like feedservice-plugin-cnn and feedservice-plugin-reuters | 04:16 |
| Estel_ | jonwil, although sometimes, I run animated films for my son, via things like youtube | 04:16 |
| Estel_ | hm | 04:17 |
| RST38h | Ha ha ha ha http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/01/nexus_q_preorders_halted/ | 04:18 |
| * RST38h cackles | 04:18 | |
| robbiethe1st | You ordered one? | 04:19 |
| RST38h | nope | 04:21 |
| RST38h | why? | 04:21 |
| Estel_ | free beer | 04:21 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st: http://lorienart.pl/backupmenu_estel-patch.tar.lzma | 04:21 |
| robbiethe1st | ty | 04:22 |
| Estel_ | np, it works for me and changes are not dramatic - updated charger and .lzma compression instead of tar, as said (+ required libraries copied via filelist.txt and lzma added to extrafiles), but as always You may want to check it on own device | 04:24 |
| robbiethe1st | What charger improvements? | 04:24 |
| Estel_ | afaik it's based on backupmenu 1.1-1_all.deb | 04:24 |
| Estel_ | no idea, as script was almsot totally re-written - m | 04:24 |
| Estel_ | for sure betetr sense resistance of chip | 04:24 |
| Estel_ | 21 mOhm | 04:24 |
| Estel_ | charging current adjusted | 04:25 |
| Estel_ | other than that, ask ShadowJK | 04:25 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, BTW, maybe in future, for KP suers, You would want to use kernel charging module :) | 04:25 |
| robbiethe1st | ok | 04:25 |
| Estel_ | s/suers/users/ | 04:25 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: robbiethe1st, BTW, maybe in future, for KP users, You would want to use kernel charging module :) | 04:25 |
| robbiethe1st | There's a kernel charging module? How does that work? | 04:26 |
| Estel_ | well, see kp51r1 changelog. It's base don same logic as charge.sh script, but properly implemente dinto kernel | 04:26 |
| Estel_ | we're getting bme replacement, it's first step | 04:26 |
| Estel_ | huge step | 04:26 |
| Estel_ | well, now it works like that - you stop bme and load module, then connect charger ;) | 04:26 |
| Estel_ | it jsut works, charge | 04:26 |
| Estel_ | current and other things controllable via sysfs, I was writing about it when you arrived | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | it detects plugging/unplugging | 04:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Ah | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | works during hostmode | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | i.e. hostmdoe + charging without script | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | generally, eliminates need for scripts | 04:27 |
| robbiethe1st | So all I have to do is load a specific kernel module and it does it all? sweet! | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | next step - userland things like charging diode, low battery warnings, etc | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, yes | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | I suspect it will work in such early stage as backupmenu? | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | it's called bq2415x_charger | 04:28 |
| Estel_ | module | 04:28 |
| Estel_ | side effect - for now, bright yellow diode like emergency charging is ON (at least in Maemo), but it charges OK | 04:28 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, you could simply replace the 'charge.sh' line in bm.item with modprobe bq2415x_charger or w/e... | 04:28 |
| Estel_ | also, remember that it's for kp users only - but I think that kp users are only one that You should care for, anyway :) | 04:28 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, yes | 04:29 |
| Estel_ | I uploaded You version with charge script, that uses i2c, as backupmenu isn't dependent on kernel-power? | 04:29 |
| robbiethe1st | So, just make a test if the .ko file exist, if it does use that, otherwise use the script | 04:29 |
| Estel_ | also, there are older versions of KP | 04:29 |
| Estel_ | good idea | 04:29 |
| Estel_ | so, new version of backupmenu is soon to arrive?:) | 04:30 |
| robbiethe1st | Hm... Do you know how to implement conditional package requirements? like KP v 49 OR i2c_tools etc... | 04:30 |
| Estel_ | oh god, no idea, but such ocmbination seems impossible. It's rather depending on something like "kernel_feature_charging", and then, every variation that have it, specify "Provides: kernel_feature_charging" | 04:31 |
| Estel_ | but nothing bad in depending on i2ctools | 04:31 |
| Estel_ | You may want to wait for kp51r1 entering extras | 04:31 |
| Estel_ | and then, drop support for non-kernel-power at all | 04:31 |
| robbiethe1st | Is i2ctools in extras? | 04:31 |
| Estel_ | sure, but no idea if in -testing- or -devel or -main | 04:32 |
| Estel_ | but it is | 04:32 |
| robbiethe1st | Nah, I won't do that. Mainly because BM is very useful as you can use flasher to load the stock kernel back again. | 04:32 |
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| Estel_ | my bnf package depenjds on it | 04:32 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, true | 04:32 |
| robbiethe1st | I'd be looking at main/testing; devel we all know has it | 04:32 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, but backups from kernel power doesn't work with stock anyeway, due to modules | 04:32 |
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| Estel_ | so someone who want load stock kernel msut start from scratch anyway | 04:33 |
| robbiethe1st | Eh. ot dpes/ | 04:33 |
| robbiethe1st | It still does | 04:33 |
| robbiethe1st | Because you still have the stock modules, unless you delete them | 04:33 |
| jonwil | bah, this eapd daemon is turning out to be a pain in the ass to reverse engineer :( | 04:33 |
| jonwil | Doesn't help that it appears to have been written in C++ | 04:33 |
| robbiethe1st | When BM starts, it copies the currently running kernel's modules over | 04:33 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, AFAIK it doesn't from practice, see psots in Your thread, but | 04:33 |
| Estel_ | kernel with thumb2 support indeed deloete stock one | 04:33 |
| Estel_ | and it's modules | 04:33 |
| Estel_ | and you know as good as me that it's the future :) | 04:33 |
| Estel_ | no wait, not kernel with thumb support | 04:34 |
| robbiethe1st | I've done it several times. What doesn't work is a backup with stock modules and a PK kernel partition | 04:34 |
| Estel_ | cssu-thumb deletes it | 04:34 |
| Estel_ | yes yes, agreed | 04:34 |
| Estel_ | what i mean is that cssu-thumb deletes stock kernel (as it's useless for thumb system, anyway, it won't work reliably with stock kernel) | 04:34 |
| Estel_ | (due to requiment for thumb silicon erratum) | 04:35 |
| robbiethe1st | But as it is now, thumb is a very... specialized thing. Only for expert tweakers | 04:35 |
| Estel_ | frankly? Everyone with single brain cell use it, sometime,s when noobs take it, with dramatic results ;) | 04:35 |
| Estel_ | but I agree, you may as well wait with it until it becomes stable | 04:35 |
| jonwil | I am not using thumb yet :) | 04:35 |
| jonwil | heck, I dont even use CSSU yet | 04:36 |
| Estel_ | or for community kernel, that will happen, sooner or later anyway | 04:36 |
| Estel_ | in this or another form | 04:36 |
| robbiethe1st | Same. I'm using PK, because it's very important(Need OC), but CSSU, so far... | 04:36 |
| robbiethe1st | Mainly because I'd likely need to make a new system image, start from scratch etc. | 04:36 |
| Estel_ | IMHO, it depends on "how soon freemangordon witll lost patience for useless discussions with DocScrutinizer" and either convince CSSu maintainers to community kernel, or continue to work on thumb fork of CSSU | 04:37 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, why yopu need OC? i'm using it too, but I wonder | 04:37 |
| Estel_ | kernel-power have many things even more important bundled in | 04:37 |
| Estel_ | tons of bugfiuxes | 04:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Makes the system actually usable. | 04:37 |
| Estel_ | just like CSSU ;) | 04:37 |
| robbiethe1st | 600mhz is just way too slow. 950mhz is actually decent. | 04:37 |
| Estel_ | cssu-thumb, to be precise | 04:37 |
| Estel_ | why so? 900 is great, and smart reflex works thanks to freemangordon | 04:38 |
| robbiethe1st | Even with that, Slashdot brings the system to a crawl when loading a page. It can take 30s to load. | 04:38 |
| Estel_ | 950 or 1000 is psychological achi9evment, not practical one | 04:38 |
| robbiethe1st | (with CPU pegged) | 04:38 |
| Estel_ | well, blame slashdot | 04:38 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah, but the whole /purpose/ of the device is to do what I need, right? | 04:38 |
| Estel_ | it depends, if You need to fly to mars sitting on it, then, no ;p | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | seriously though, sure | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | SR with 900 mhz have muuuch better battery life, though | 04:39 |
| robbiethe1st | If I didn't need it's webbrowser and such, I could just as soon use my N950, or heck, N770. | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | 950 may be unstable with both SR ON | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | no no, I'm rather allergic to bloated useles pages like slashdot or faceshit ;P | 04:39 |
| robbiethe1st | My current setup is 100% stable, at full load for long periods of time. | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | of course everyone is free to use whatever feel fancy | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | are You using SR? | 04:40 |
| robbiethe1st | No | 04:40 |
| Estel_ | so it's tradeoff between 50 mhz and *much* battery life | 04:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Custom voltages, slightly above the crashing level at each speed. | 04:40 |
| Estel_ | your choice, of course | 04:40 |
| Estel_ | no need, Sr does it better, anyway | 04:40 |
| Estel_ | (custom voltages) | 04:40 |
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| robbiethe1st | Considering that 90% of my battery life is used when the device is sleeping, I don't really notice it. | 04:40 |
| robbiethe1st | That and the display. | 04:40 |
| Estel_ | huh? why so? | 04:40 |
| Estel_ | probably, because lack of SR | 04:41 |
| Estel_ | my device uses 3-4 mA per hour, when idle | 04:41 |
| Estel_ | 4-7 with GSM on | 04:41 |
| Estel_ | 5-9 with GSM + wifi | 04:41 |
| robbiethe1st | It lasts about a day, possibly two with no use for me. | 04:41 |
| Estel_ | divice 3000 mAh, and You will see how much standby time it is | 04:41 |
| robbiethe1st | But I've also got a stock battery | 04:42 |
| Estel_ | so i'm even more surprised, that You waste standby battery life, to get 50 mhz more | 04:42 |
| Estel_ | as Sr would undervolt it as hell during standby | 04:42 |
| Estel_ | rising voltage to Your current levels only during heavy usage | 04:42 |
| Estel_ | as Your static voltage settings are OK for heavy usage, doesn't crash | 04:42 |
| robbiethe1st | I've already done that. Major manual undervolting at low speeds | 04:42 |
| Estel_ | so for idle they're overkill too huge | 04:42 |
| Estel_ | not even half as effective a smartreflex, though | 04:43 |
| Estel_ | not to mention risk of filesystem corruption | 04:43 |
| robbiethe1st | It's still tiny, compared to, say, the screen. | 04:43 |
| Estel_ | + thing that monitors it running constantly | 04:43 |
| Estel_ | eating more power than you ghain | 04:43 |
| Estel_ | well, You've said that most power is sued when idle, though | 04:43 |
| Estel_ | used, damn* | 04:43 |
| Estel_ | well, do whatever You want, but i'm sure You're wasting at least whole day of power availability | 04:43 |
| Estel_ | and gain from 50 mhz is neglible, if any | 04:44 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, I know it's better than stock/ | 04:44 |
| Estel_ | but worse than it could be, without any effort required :) | 04:44 |
| robbiethe1st | Plus, erm, why would that 50mhz hurt? it should never get to that speed when idle | 04:44 |
| robbiethe1st | Shouldn't get above 500. | 04:44 |
| robbiethe1st | ever.\ | 04:44 |
| Estel_ | because You need voltage set up for it for 500, 600, 720, 800, 850 mhz too | 04:44 |
| Estel_ | as your custom undervolting is OK only for lowest states, probably | 04:45 |
| Estel_ | also,monitor frequencies and undervolting then eats more power than You gain | 04:45 |
| Estel_ | it's kinda batterypatch-like way of doing things | 04:45 |
| Estel_ | (it did same thing - undervolting on loiw speed, + additionaly, custom speeds when idle) | 04:45 |
| Estel_ | = you're wasting more power for sole act of monitoring - it goes even when device is idle... | 04:45 |
| Estel_ | than you gain | 04:45 |
| robbiethe1st | I just use the kernel-settings thing. | 04:45 |
| Estel_ | trust me on that (tm) | 04:46 |
| Estel_ | ah, this kind of undervolting | 04:46 |
| Estel_ | no way | 04:46 |
| Estel_ | it's static undervolting, then | 04:46 |
| robbiethe1st | And locked each speed, then undervolted till it crashed, upped it by three notches. | 04:46 |
| Estel_ | Sr udnervolts not only basing on speed, but also on load | 04:46 |
| Estel_ | Your settings are what is required for max load on such speed | 04:46 |
| Estel_ | so you avoid crash | 04:46 |
| robbiethe1st | So I have settings for everything between 250 and 1150mhz. | 04:46 |
| Estel_ | SR does it constantly, and does it good, after freemangordon fixed it | 04:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Which seems importantly. | 04:46 |
| robbiethe1st | I.e. no risk of crashing. | 04:47 |
| Estel_ | = for every speed, You must have constant HIGHEST load value, to avoid crash | 04:47 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes | 04:47 |
| Estel_ | well, Sr uses LOWEST values when approriate, highest when approriate, and everything in between the same way | 04:47 |
| Estel_ | without risk of crash ;) | 04:47 |
| Estel_ | at the cost of 50 mhz? BTW, this single step from 900 to 950 mhz stress Your CPU much more than you gain | 04:47 |
| Estel_ | 900 is considered max "sane" frequency | 04:48 |
| Estel_ | (that's why Sr is calculated only up to 900 mhz) | 04:48 |
| Estel_ | (it could be higher, but no real gain on using more than 900 mhz, and much risk) | 04:48 |
| robbiethe1st | I am not using SR, and my settings work perfectly nicely. Next best thing: Reducing the amount of time my CPU spends in any state other than 0mhz at idle. | 04:48 |
| robbiethe1st | Honestly, I'd be using 1.15ghz, if it didn't heat up so much... even 1ghz makes the device warm under max load. | 04:48 |
| Estel_ | not likely, as your device seems to eat lotta shit of power when idle | 04:48 |
| Estel_ | well, if you burtn your device out and wouldnb't be happy with android shit, remember, I have N900's with reinforced USB port for sale, 180 euro one :) | 04:49 |
| Estel_ | look, on power-save savyy device, You should get - with worn battery... | 04:49 |
| Estel_ | 1000 mAh / 10 mAh | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | with GSM on | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | wifi ON | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | 24/7 | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | + some idiotic widget that east power too | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | it's 100 hours of idle time | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | more than 4 days | 04:50 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, lets see... 19 hours went from 1210mAh down to 720mAh. That's idle, with wifi on, no cell or bluetooth | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | on worn battery | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | well, i counted with cell on | 04:50 |
| RST38h | Estel_:you talk too much. | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | + rounded it up in + for ease of calculations | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | RST38h - IRc have nice little "close" button on top right corner | 04:51 |
| Estel_ | thumbs up for using it, when You don't like it | 04:51 |
| robbiethe1st | RST38h, sadly, you're right. But meh. | 04:51 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, after calculations, your device used 26-30 mA per hour | 04:51 |
| Estel_ | on idle | 04:51 |
| Estel_ | it's ~3x too much | 04:52 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes. And I believe it's due to apps running when they shouldn't. | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | well, robbiethe1st, ythe same apply to you - I've already told you that it's Your device, and You're free to do whatever You wabt | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | You still try to convince me, that it's power savy, though | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | quite possible, but at least half of it is due to unoptimized settings like lack of Sr and stupid max frequency | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | anyway, it's true that I have better things to do, so see ya | 04:53 |
| robbiethe1st | Can you run powertop for me? | 04:53 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm curious. | 04:53 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, sure | 04:53 |
| Estel_ | I have 97% time in C4 | 04:53 |
| Estel_ | I'm very oriented toward power saving, so I use it quite often ;) | 04:53 |
| Estel_ | any specific data You're interested in? | 04:54 |
| robbiethe1st | That's likely my problem then... 93% of time in C4 | 04:54 |
| ShadowJK | 20-30mA is approx my idle with the usual stuff i have open | 04:54 |
| robbiethe1st | 3.1 and 3.7% in c2-3 | 04:54 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, sure, but for robbiethe1st, it's 26 mA with only wifi on, no celullar, no things | 04:54 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, 93% in C4 is good too | 04:54 |
| Estel_ | and for sure doesn't explain why You're wasting 4x more power than should (when I said 3x, I forget about cellular being off) | 04:54 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, your times are in normal averages | 04:55 |
| Estel_ | I don't understand why You insist, that Your settins re frequency and SR effects in this power wastage | 04:55 |
| robbiethe1st | ShadowJK, what kernel are you using, and are you using SR? | 04:55 |
| Estel_ | just curious, as it's well proved and researched fact | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder when channel in general will lose patience with useless estel | 04:55 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, overreactive again? Sorry if You don't like it, but i'm free to express my opinion about Your stane re community kernel | 04:56 |
| Estel_ | like You're free to rise your ego via attacking me due chat with Woody14_something | 04:56 |
| Estel_ | deal? | 04:56 |
| ShadowJK | robbiethe1st; stock | 04:57 |
| robbiethe1st | ShadowJK, and no OC? | 04:57 |
| LaoLang_cool | I'm learning ssh to control n900 on pc, from the wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/SSH, I need to run 'ssh root@tablet ip' on pc, how to know what my n900 was called? | 04:57 |
| Estel_ | but, DocScrutinizer, actually, you could be very useful here - explain robbiethe1st why 950 mhz isn't healthy frequency ;) | 04:57 |
| ShadowJK | nope | 04:57 |
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| Estel_ | You're good in arguing just for sake of arguing, and i'll finish dist-upgrading easy debian to wheezy, in meantime | 04:58 |
| robbiethe1st | He's tried. | 04:58 |
| robbiethe1st | Once things get a bit more tested, I might try out SR if I get my second N900 back running again(broken USB) | 04:58 |
| ShadowJK | oc/sr is less relevant for idle | 04:58 |
| ShadowJK | because in idle it's 0MHz 0V anyway :P | 04:58 |
| RST38h | Mourning, ShadowJK | 04:58 |
| LaoLang_cool | I know the question is naive | 04:59 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, yea, but You know that this idle isn't perfect, and higher voltage during it wastes power anyway (during wakeups) | 04:59 |
| LaoLang_cool | But how to? | 04:59 |
| Estel_ | especially, if it's highest voltage required to run 250 without crash | 04:59 |
| robbiethe1st | ShadowJK, yeah. But he at least thinks he's getting away with 4ma at idle | 04:59 |
| Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, install qnetman from repositories | 05:00 |
| Estel_ | it have widget that tells You IP ;) | 05:00 |
| Estel_ | much better and faster ways to | 05:00 |
| Estel_ | but this one is convenient | 05:00 |
| robbiethe1st | ...I wonder if having BatteryEye installed adds a noticible reduction in power? | 05:00 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, Estel_ I know how to get my ip, but I don't know how to get my n900's name | 05:00 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, unless You have it open all the time, no | 05:00 |
| Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, you don't need name for ssh | 05:00 |
| robbiethe1st | How does it track, then? | 05:00 |
| RiD | hey sweethearts | 05:01 |
| Estel_ | if You have openssh installed | 05:01 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, it doesn't it just suxx info from hal, like bme | 05:01 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, ah, thank you, learning it :) | 05:01 |
| Estel_ | no problem | 05:01 |
| Estel_ | just use | 05:01 |
| Estel_ | ssh root@ip | 05:01 |
| Estel_ | no need for name :) | 05:01 |
| Estel_ | BTw, remember, password authentication is quite unsecure | 05:01 |
| ShadowJK | Now at 125mA powerdraw. 20 chans irc on 2g, gpodder through bluetooth a2dp | 05:02 |
| Estel_ | after learning basics, You should switch to public key authentication, as in wiki | 05:02 |
| Estel_ | Hello RiD | 05:02 |
| RiD | i got an old infobot running on my phone. Doesn't seem to be writing the factoids, even when as root | 05:02 |
| Estel_ | remind me, which timezone You're in? | 05:02 |
| RiD | GMT. | 05:02 |
| RiD | London/Lisbon | 05:02 |
| Estel_ | RiD, once I tried to make infobot running from my wrt54gl router ;) | 05:02 |
| Estel_ | RiD, go back to bed ;) | 05:02 |
| RiD | lol | 05:02 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, thank you! Learning it follows wiki instruction :) | 05:03 |
| Estel_ | no problem, ask if You have other concerns :) | 05:03 |
| RiD | Estel_: a router where you can run perl? | 05:03 |
| Estel_ | RiD, sure | 05:04 |
| Estel_ | you can run debian on it, if willing to | 05:04 |
| Estel_ | its wrt54g* | 05:04 |
| Estel_ | family | 05:04 |
| RiD | lol, crazy routers then | 05:04 |
| Estel_ | actually, I run openwrt on it | 05:04 |
| Estel_ | 20$ used | 05:04 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 05:04 |
| RiD | mine is the dumbest there is | 05:04 |
| Estel_ | well, maybe 30 | 05:04 |
| Estel_ | well, my router runs dircproxy (irc bouncer) for me | 05:04 |
| RiD | anyways, a (super) noobish question. How to set file write/read permissions? | 05:05 |
| Estel_ | I plan to install voip PCBX on it | 05:05 |
| Estel_ | chmod | 05:05 |
| Estel_ | and file owners - chown | 05:05 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, wow, I'm using n900 via my pc, feel exciting! | 05:06 |
| Estel_ | great thing, i know this feeling :) | 05:06 |
| Estel_ | wait until you will use Your Pc from your N900 via vnc through ssh tunnel ;) | 05:07 |
| RiD | it's a bit slow for that | 05:07 |
| Estel_ | or n900 from Pc with visual interface via x11vnc on N900 and VNC viewer on PC, also through ssh tunnel | 05:07 |
| Estel_ | RiD, with correct settings it isn't bad | 05:07 |
| Estel_ | I use TigerVNC on desktop | 05:07 |
| RiD | well, there are not miracles | 05:07 |
| Estel_ | and presence on device | 05:07 |
| Estel_ | yep | 05:08 |
| RiD | rdesktop is faster overall, but no 3d accel or w/e | 05:08 |
| RiD | so you're limited | 05:08 |
| robbiethe1st | I've controlled my desktop from my N900... via straight SSH | 05:08 |
| Estel_ | interestingl;y, with properly configured x11vnc on N900 and tigervnc viewer on computer, it's so fast that tux racer is playable from PC ;) | 05:08 |
| robbiethe1st | who needs GUI? | 05:08 |
| RiD | anyways, you told me to go and I will...out of battery | 05:08 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, GUI programs need gui ;) | 05:08 |
| RiD | Estel_: how many fps would you say? | 05:08 |
| Estel_ | RiD, 5? | 05:08 |
| Estel_ | smth like that, maybe more | 05:09 |
| Estel_ | or not | 05:09 |
| Estel_ | as for vnc, it was quite good ;P | 05:09 |
| RiD | try on 320x240 | 05:09 |
| RiD | :D | 05:09 |
| Estel_ | would need to put device in such mode, too much hassle | 05:09 |
| LaoLang_cool | I don't want to use all of my n900's function via pc, just to edit file or something like that :) | 05:09 |
| RiD | you mean pc? | 05:09 |
| Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, via vi? | 05:09 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, yes | 05:09 |
| Estel_ | RiD, no, N900 | 05:09 |
| LaoLang_cool | vim | 05:09 |
| Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, sure, why not | 05:09 |
| RiD | oh, you're talking about controlling n900 from pc? | 05:10 |
| Estel_ | RiD, yes | 05:10 |
| LaoLang_cool | RiD, yes :) | 05:10 |
| RiD | i misunderstood it | 05:10 |
| Estel_ | in this scenario tux racer was playable from n90 visible on desktop | 05:10 |
| RiD | i was thinking the other way | 05:10 |
| Estel_ | other way, it was slower | 05:10 |
| RiD | but maybe the other way while forcing a terrible resolution on pc it might not be so slow | 05:10 |
| Estel_ | well, enough to play heroes 3 in multiplayer, on desktop 1000 miles away | 05:10 |
| Estel_ | possible | 05:10 |
| RiD | with nvidia cards (idk with ati) you can add custom resolutions | 05:11 |
| LaoLang_cool | A question, I'm using putty on windows to connect n900, can I copy some files from n900 to my pc? | 05:11 |
| Estel_ | it was funny to play Heroes with someone sitting on PC, in qwuasi-locally setup | 05:11 |
| Estel_ | being connected to same desktop | 05:11 |
| RiD | only for fullscreen programs though. For desktop i guess you'll have to override the drivers | 05:11 |
| Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, using scp | 05:11 |
| LaoLang_cool | I want to backup some files under /root and /home/user | 05:11 |
| Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, but most conveinent way is to use WinSCP on windows | 05:11 |
| Estel_ | for that | 05:11 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, need another tools?... | 05:11 |
| Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, no, SCP is bundled in SSH | 05:11 |
| RiD | anyways, out of battery so I'll leave sooner than i thought | 05:12 |
| LaoLang_cool | I thought putty can do it :( | 05:12 |
| Estel_ | but much, much more conveinent way is to use WinSCP program, which is another tool | 05:12 |
| Estel_ | (sharing code with putty, btw) | 05:12 |
| RiD | 3...2...1... power off | 05:12 |
| Estel_ | bb rid | 05:12 |
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| Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, as said, using command scp, You can | 05:12 |
| * LaoLang_cool will download winscp | 05:12 | |
| Estel_ | but there is program on top of it, winSCPO, that makes it very conveinent | 05:12 |
| Estel_ | WinSCP* | 05:12 |
| Estel_ | Maemo wiki have some info about winscp IIRC | 05:13 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, yes, under the page about ssh, it tells benifit of wiscp and the download link | 05:14 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, I'm using winscp, what protocol I should use? sftp, scp, ftp | 05:16 |
| Estel_ | sftp | 05:16 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, I'm using it, seems easy to use :) | 05:17 |
| Estel_ | yea, it's great | 05:18 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, Is there a console version like it? actually, I'd like to use rsync on n900, and rsync directories on n900 with directories on pc | 05:18 |
| Estel_ | rsync on n900 can be used over network as ios, IIRC | 05:19 |
| Estel_ | and for console like, well, you have ssh client and scp command, as said | 05:19 |
| Estel_ | WinSCP just combines smart using of LS with commands to transfer files | 05:19 |
| Estel_ | ls to list them | 05:19 |
| Estel_ | + it uses sftp as more powerful protocol than scp | 05:19 |
| Estel_ | but You can use scp command in ssh too | 05:20 |
| Estel_ | although you need to manually write locations etc, see scp --help | 05:20 |
| Estel_ | winscp is much more conveinent | 05:20 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, hard to understand :( what I want is, I can run rsync in n900, and n900 can access my pc filesystem, for example, on /media/windows, then I can 'rsync /root /media/windows/backup/root' | 05:22 |
| Estel_ | for that see rsync manual, it can work voer network | 05:23 |
| Estel_ | but I haven't used it much | 05:23 |
| robbiethe1st | LaoLang_cool, do you have a Linux desktop PC? | 05:23 |
| Estel_ | so can't help here, search for rsync articles on wiki or TMO | 05:23 |
| Estel_ | windoze | 05:23 |
| LaoLang_cool | Both of pc and n900 are connecting to the internet | 05:23 |
| robbiethe1st | Create a windows share | 05:23 |
| robbiethe1st | on your desktop | 05:23 |
| LaoLang_cool | robbiethe1st, I have only windows :( | 05:23 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, thank you all the same! | 05:23 |
| LaoLang_cool | If it's not so easy to set up, then I stick to winscp | 05:24 |
| robbiethe1st | What you'll need to do is mount the windows network share as a directory on your N900, then you can just rsync to it easily. | 05:24 |
| robbiethe1st | check http://maemo.org/packages/view/wizard-mounter/ | 05:25 |
| robbiethe1st | See if that will allow you to mount it. | 05:26 |
| robbiethe1st | Once it's mounted, you can just type 'mount' in the N900's terminal to see where it's mounted, then rsync to that directory | 05:26 |
| LaoLang_cool | robbiethe1st, thank you, will read it. | 05:27 |
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| LaoLang_cool | oh, samba, nfs, too advanced concept, I think it takes sometime to understand them, I will read them later | 05:28 |
| Estel_ | Samba on n900 is quite easy, actually | 05:29 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, I need to set up samba on windows firstly, then let n900 know samba, then mount the samba, then use it, right? | 05:30 |
| robbiethe1st | Estel, help him please | 05:30 |
| robbiethe1st | Isn't samba just a Windows share? | 05:30 |
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| Estel_ | no idea, never used it | 05:31 |
| Estel_ | but I remember reading about it and it was easy + popular | 05:31 |
| LaoLang_cool | oh, will learn it later, use winscp at present, thank you Estel_ and robbiethe1st ! | 05:32 |
| Estel_ | no problem, have fun :) | 05:32 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, lame question | 05:32 |
| Estel_ | I have package set on hold, via | 05:32 |
| Estel_ | echo libpulse0 "hold" | dpkg --set-selections | 05:33 |
| Estel_ | could You remind me command to unset hold for it? | 05:33 |
| Estel_ | i.e. unlock it? | 05:33 |
| LaoLang_cool | :) | 05:33 |
| robbiethe1st | Absolutely no clue. | 05:33 |
| Estel_ | never messed with apt mor dpkg selections too much | 05:33 |
| Estel_ | huh, thanks anyway | 05:33 |
| robbiethe1st | Try "release" | 05:33 |
| Estel_ | OK'ish | 05:33 |
| Estel_ | release is unknown state :P | 05:35 |
| robbiethe1st | "unlock"? | 05:35 |
| robbiethe1st | "unhold". | 05:36 |
| gn00b | does maemo have a repo for oovoo for the n900? | 05:36 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh, "install" to unlock. | 05:36 |
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| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, thanks | 05:38 |
| Estel_ | dist-upgrade to wheezy - 825 MB to download, 725 more will be used | 05:41 |
| Estel_ | 0_o | 05:41 |
| robbiethe1st | xd | 05:42 |
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| LaoLang_cool | I'm learning phone control via dbus at http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Start_vibrating, a question, why I need to tweak vibrating for each pattern? | 05:51 |
| LaoLang_cool | do I need: | 05:51 |
| LaoLang_cool | dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:PatternIncomingCall | 05:51 |
| LaoLang_cool | dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:PatternCommunicationSMS | 05:52 |
| LaoLang_cool | ? | 05:52 |
| LaoLang_cool | vibrating is global option, I can't find where I can set it for call, sms, im respectively | 05:52 |
| LaoLang_cool | The section "Set a profile value" at http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Set_a_profile_value , there is another way to start vibrating: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.set_value string:"general" string:"vibrating.alert.enabled" string:"On" | 05:55 |
| LaoLang_cool | I'm confused with them | 05:55 |
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| LaoLang_cool | oh, I think I got it | 06:01 |
| LaoLang_cool | the 'start vibrating' means start it right now :) | 06:01 |
| LaoLang_cool | Oh, yes! | 06:01 |
| robbiethe1st | <_< | 06:01 |
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| robbiethe1st | If I had a perverted mind... I might take that last comment in a different way ;) | 06:03 |
| robbiethe1st | But, /obviously/ I don't. | 06:03 |
| Estel_ | haha | 06:06 |
| Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, I'm not sure, as I never needed it, but it's possible that using mce.ini, you could assign different vibrating pattern to different things | 06:06 |
| Estel_ | on stock, same led pattern is used for mail, sms, etc, which doesn't mean you can't make it different. Same for vibra, IIRC | 06:07 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, hmm, got it! | 06:07 |
| Estel_ | and | 06:07 |
| LaoLang_cool | Cool | 06:07 |
| Estel_ | LaoLang_cool> the 'start vibrating' means start it right now :) | 06:07 |
| Estel_ | <LaoLang_cool> Oh, yes! | 06:07 |
| Estel_ | <robbiethe1st> <_< | 06:07 |
| Estel_ | made my day | 06:07 |
| LaoLang_cool | Estel_, My English is almost broken, haha | 06:08 |
| robbiethe1st | Exactly. :P | 06:08 |
| LaoLang_cool | ;p | 06:08 |
| robbiethe1st | So... completely off topic, but do your N900s act like this transitions wise? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0naeSt9BTFY&feature=related | 06:08 |
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| Estel_ | which detail exactly you mean? | 06:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Like, the FPS/responsivness | 06:10 |
| Estel_ | no, this one on video is sluggish | 06:10 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm not sure if I've just gotten spoiled, or this guy's just way overloaded it. | 06:11 |
| Estel_ | blame faceshit webpage, probably | 06:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Because I get /smooth/ transitions, probably a good 20+fps | 06:11 |
| Estel_ | also, he may be running on stock | 06:11 |
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| Estel_ | this video is pathetic | 06:11 |
| Estel_ | the think that 6 opened browser windows is 6 different programs running | 06:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Ok, good enough. | 06:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah, just ran across it on the edge of Youtube somehow | 06:12 |
| Estel_ | well, my device is responsive even during creation of 4GB lzma archive | 06:12 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 06:12 |
| robbiethe1st | What IO tweaks did you do? | 06:12 |
| Estel_ | one day freemangordon asked me to do something, and I was surprised that it's little sluggish, then I realized i totally forget about lzma archive creating for few hours already | 06:13 |
| Estel_ | was using device as normal all this time | 06:13 |
| Estel_ | swap on microSd ONLY | 06:13 |
| Estel_ | and swapiness settings as in easy debian thread | 06:13 |
| robbiethe1st | Ah, and you were creating the archive on the eMMC? | 06:13 |
| Estel_ | (two versions there - one by freemangordon, one by me, mine are little more conservative approach) | 06:13 |
| Estel_ | yea | 06:13 |
| Estel_ | no, not | 06:14 |
| Estel_ | actually, on microSd that time | 06:14 |
| Estel_ | but it doesn't matter much | 06:14 |
| Estel_ | BTW, mine and freemangordon settings, while different, are both even more different from swapiness recommended ones, which are depreciated | 06:14 |
| Estel_ | s/swapiness/swapollube/ | 06:14 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: BTW, mine and freemangordon settings, while different, are both even more different from swapollube recommended ones, which are depreciated | 06:14 |
| Estel_ | BTW, sulu, despite using such settings for swapiness on his device, wasn't able to dist-upgrade easy debian to wheezy even with -nice 19, watchdog killed him. OTOH, I not only upgrade it without problems, but I'm doing other things on device | 06:15 |
| Estel_ | so microSd swap is a must | 06:16 |
| robbiethe1st | Is there any way to disable watchdog in software? | 06:16 |
| robbiethe1st | Like, without R&D mode? | 06:16 |
| Estel_ | OTOh again, some people using swap on microSd without tweaked swap settings also reported crfashes, so probably, both things are required for vallaha | 06:16 |
| Estel_ | something was ther,e probably, but either I don't remember it, or made it up | 06:16 |
| Estel_ | anyway, R&D mdoe can be changed on the fly | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | during device runtime | 06:17 |
| robbiethe1st | Good enough | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | thanks to Mentalist Traceur's program/script | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st, speaking about backupmenu, I got feature request - shouldn't be very, very hard to code | 06:18 |
| Estel_ | it's possible to have arbitraty config file, with locations specified, that would be ignored from backup? | 06:18 |
| Estel_ | for example, I have /home/user/games, where I have 2GB of weboss games | 06:18 |
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| Estel_ | such things actually never change, and don't compress well... | 06:18 |
| Estel_ | it's PITA to have it in every backup | 06:19 |
| Estel_ | I would backup it once manually, and perform backupmenu backups without this location | 06:19 |
| Estel_ | doable? | 06:19 |
| Estel_ | afaik it's single argument in tar command, so parsing config file for it, jsut like for compression it's parsed from menu, should be trivial, yep? | 06:19 |
| Estel_ | this feature would, actually, made many people happy | 06:20 |
| Estel_ | others requested something similar in backupmenu's threads | 06:20 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st ^^^ | 06:20 |
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| robbiethe1st | Out of curiosity, wouldn't you keep those files either in your fat32 mydocs or in a seperate partition? | 06:28 |
| robbiethe1st | If they're just symlinked from MyDocs, then it won't pick them up | 06:28 |
| Estel_ | yea, but having such things in non-posix filesystem isn't fun | 06:38 |
| Estel_ | \half of them must be in ext anyway | 06:38 |
| Estel_ | permissions, such stuff | 06:38 |
| Estel_ | \and separate partition just for games is lame | 06:38 |
| Estel_ | can't estimate how much space I will need in 6 months, so either wasting much, or having to resize often | 06:39 |
| Estel_ | keeping them in /home/user/games is most logical thing to do, alongside other games | 06:39 |
| Estel_ | and simple config file for lsit of ignored locations, for backupmenu, would be definitelly useful for other things too | 06:40 |
| Estel_ | not to mentionm that such config file could also keep data about, lets say, fi9lesystem of optfs | 06:40 |
| Estel_ | so no more editing backupmenu files by hand to have ext4 partition rebuild during restoration | 06:40 |
| Estel_ | robbiethe1st | 06:40 |
| Estel_ | ^^ | 06:40 |
| Estel_ | !!! BTw, fire, fire! | 06:41 |
| Estel_ | backuypmenu scripts I have sent You have ext4 coded inside | 06:41 |
| Estel_ | sorry, forget about it | 06:41 |
| Estel_ | it's ok for kernel-power users, but others could be unpleasantly surprised | 06:41 |
| Estel_ | so be sure to fix it | 06:41 |
| Estel_ | before pushing it to -devel ;) | 06:41 |
| Estel_ | You see? config file would save us from situations like this too | 06:41 |
| Estel_ | not to mention, that such config file is editable from backupmenu's root console (after mountroot), so it's absolutely convenient thing | 06:42 |
| Estel_ | ok, i'm off for few hours | 06:42 |
| Estel_ | have nice morning | 06:42 |
| robbiethe1st | K | 06:46 |
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| Macer | http://pastebin.com/86McznNA | 08:11 |
| Macer | heh | 08:11 |
| Macer | call barrack! | 08:12 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: there's a clone of you in #bitcoin-dev | 08:30 |
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| Macer | meh | 08:47 |
| Macer | cant say i hang out in bitcoin-dev ;) | 08:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:06 |
| chem|st | o/ | 11:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | morning | 11:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: any news on apps4meego? | 11:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: should we panic? | 11:14 |
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| X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: No, fixing. | 11:15 |
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| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: btw, can you make backup of all deps or as stskeep started to help me with script to do it, but we never finished | 11:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: as i understand it's hosted by Nokia too, so if we want at some point own repos... | 11:17 |
| X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Backup of what? | 11:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: all deps of testing and stable | 11:17 |
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| X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Ah, that is no problem. We are migrating the servers to another datacenter and have backups at both locations now. | 11:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: good, any help needed? | 11:19 |
| X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Nah, it just ran out of disk because of a backup filling the space :) | 11:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: lol | 11:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: btw what servers are you moving too? somebodie's personal? | 11:23 |
| X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Servers owned by Nemein. | 11:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok | 11:25 |
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| kerio | yo Estel_ | 11:40 |
| teotwaki | "somebodie" /facepalm | 11:40 |
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| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: it's back online :) Venemo_N9 and qwazix now can upload their apps \o/ | 11:43 |
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| Venemo_N9 | wat? | 11:45 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N9: apps4meego is back online | 11:55 |
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| Pali | ZogG_laptop, when apps4meego is online, you can use apt-mirror to backup full repository | 11:56 |
| Venemo_N9 | awesome | 11:57 |
| Pali | ZogG_laptop, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror | 11:57 |
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| kerio | what would it take to add diffindex support to extras-devel? | 12:01 |
| kerio | 20kB instead of 9MB is a big difference | 12:01 |
| jacekowski | as far as i know repo management software used there can't do that | 12:05 |
| kerio | D: | 12:06 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Pali: thanks | 12:12 |
| Pali | ZogG_laptop, if there are more official/unofficial harmattan repositories, update wiki | 12:13 |
| Pali | I was not able to find OVI apt repository | 12:13 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Pali: did you add MohammadAG's one? and there are a lot on OBS but they are for few packages only | 12:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pali: i think ovi is not repo anymore like in maemo, in pr1.0 or even 1.1 there was no update thru manager, only thru ovi. | 12:14 |
| Pali | add some usefull which contains key harm software... | 12:15 |
| Pali | and how is ovi sw installed? | 12:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | no idea | 12:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pali: MohammadAG's has all the system-ui related stuff | 12:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | toggles and music control and so on | 12:16 |
| Pali | ok, then add it to harmattan list | 12:16 |
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| qwazix | <qwazix> what is the recommended way to enable smart reflex permanently? | 12:54 |
| qwazix | the wiki redirects to kernel-power-configuration which does not mention smartreflex anywhere | 12:54 |
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| narcos | Hi all. Is there a command line tool to fetch GPS co-ordinates on the N900? | 15:11 |
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| bindi | yes | 15:14 |
| bindi | http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API | 15:14 |
| narcos | bindi: Yeah found that already - I was hoping for a package that someone had already created, but I shall take the Python route. | 15:16 |
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| narcos | Nokia-N900:~# apt-get install python-location | 15:22 |
| narcos | E: Couldn't find package python-location | 15:22 |
| narcos | 15:22 | |
| narcos | Hmm | 15:22 |
| narcos | Do I need to add extra repos...? | 15:24 |
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| narcos | Doing a dpkg -i from http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python-location/0.2-1/ seemed to work... | 15:28 |
| narcos | Any ideas on the battery drain of leaving the GPS running? | 15:29 |
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| luca_ | hello there | 15:51 |
| luca_ | I've uploaded my first package to extras-devel | 15:51 |
| luca_ | but it's failing to build in i386 | 15:51 |
| kerio | narcos: a lot, or something like that | 15:51 |
| luca_ | here is the log https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/status-area-displayblanking-applet_0.9-1/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt | 15:52 |
| luca_ | the error is: dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory | 15:52 |
| luca_ | which is not very descriptive unfortunatelly | 15:52 |
| luca_ | does anybody know what could be the reason? | 15:52 |
| luca_ | it builds ok for armel | 15:53 |
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| chem|st | luca_: include debhelper, or write debian/files your own | 16:31 |
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| luca_ | chem|st: sorry, include debhelper where exactly? | 16:42 |
| chem|st | debian/rules | 16:43 |
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| kerio | whoops | 16:54 |
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| kerio | is someone familiar with how /sbin/preinit works? | 16:57 |
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| vi_ | kerio: what is the problem? | 17:02 |
| vi_ | If you have screwed up preinit you will need to reflash rootfs. | 17:02 |
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| kerio | vi_: no, i want to know if there's a good-ish way of putting the whole of /usr/ somewhere else | 17:03 |
| kerio | specifically, in emmc | 17:03 |
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| kerio | to get rid of fucking ~optification | 17:05 |
| kerio | ~optification | 17:05 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 17:05 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer! you're back! | 17:06 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05! you're back too! | 17:06 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: let's move /usr/ to the emmc | 17:06 |
| vi_ | kerio: ... | 17:09 |
| vi_ | kerio: good luck with that. | 17:09 |
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| kerio | vi_: thanks :( | 17:09 |
| vi_ | kerio: lookup matans moveroot.sh script | 17:09 |
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| kerio | vi_: moveroot.sh doesn't move root! :c | 17:13 |
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| Pali | kerio, I there is project M32GB which can copy full maemo into /home/maemo5 | 17:13 |
| Pali | and with fanoush bootmenu you can choose to start maemo from rootfs or maemo from eMMC | 17:13 |
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| Pali | infobot, M32GB is https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_M32GB | 17:15 |
| infobot | Pali: okay | 17:15 |
| Pali | ~M32GB | 17:15 |
| infobot | somebody said m32gb was https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_M32GB | 17:15 |
| Pali | kerio, see ^^^ | 17:15 |
| kerio | the thing is, all of those things are heavily nonstandard | 17:16 |
| vi_ | did you get your otterbox yet? | 17:16 |
| kerio | vi_: nope | 17:17 |
| vi_ | gay | 17:17 |
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| kerio | do you think it'll help with the rootfs move? | 17:17 |
| kerio | >:D | 17:17 |
| Pali | M32GB will copy full maemo system to eMMC (/home) | 17:19 |
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| kerio | hm | 17:23 |
| kerio | it looks kludgy :c | 17:23 |
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| kerio | besides, i don't want another copy of maemo 5 | 17:24 |
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| luca_ | chem|st: which program exactly? I'm not a packaging expert but AFAIK debhelper is composed from a lot of dh_* programs | 17:26 |
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| LaoLang_cool | How to disable mce from commandline? I want to disable them when night from fcron | 17:33 |
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| vi_ | LaoLang_cool: why do you want to do that? | 17:36 |
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| LaoLang_cool | vi_: for power saving, to turn mce off, i.e. to turn led notification off | 17:42 |
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| LinuxCode | as I am here, any of you know where the lock file is for apt-get space ? | 17:49 |
| LinuxCode | I dont think it is apt-get actually, it might be the maemo app installer, claiming there is no free space | 17:49 |
| LinuxCode | so, there has to be a lock file somewhere | 17:49 |
| edheldil | maybe you are just running apt-get and application manager at once? | 18:00 |
| vi_ | LaoLang_cool: Turning MCE off to kill the notifiations led will not save you any power. | 18:02 |
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| LaoLang_cool | vi_: really? I have set led always on for notification, still need power cost I think | 18:04 |
| LaoLang_cool | Is there a way to turn led notification off from dbus? | 18:05 |
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| vi_ | You could define a blank pattern and assign it the highes priority available. | 18:10 |
| vi_ | Then trigger that pattern from dbus. | 18:10 |
| vi_ | However notification LED power use is negligable. | 18:11 |
| vi_ | Besides it only flashes when you are being notified of somthing! | 18:11 |
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| LaoLang_cool | vi_: The main power usage is phone call and screen displaying, right? | 18:14 |
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| LaoLang_cool | oh, time to sleep ,p | 18:28 |
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| bindi | any apps that let me stream my n900's camera? | 18:51 |
| bindi | 'phonestream' .. let's try this | 18:52 |
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| bindi | not sure how to use this | 18:57 |
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| bindi | PoS doesn't work | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | vi_: tanks for answering :D | 19:14 |
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| bindi | psst DocScrutinizer51 | 19:18 |
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| bindi | i heard you are able to help me with phonestreamer or getting my n900 to work as an ip cam | 19:18 |
| bindi | it's been sitting dead for a year | 19:18 |
| bindi | almost | 19:19 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Have you seen http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85816 ? | 19:23 |
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| kerio | Pali: what handles the notification led while charging with your module? | 19:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 is @ vacation | 19:35 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: \o/ | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so the question now is: stay 10 days @ IRC 24h/d, or walk the woods each day and ignore IRC for 10 days | 19:37 |
| Venemo_N9 | hm, tough one | 19:37 |
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| Venemo_N9 | are they mutually excusive? | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afraid they're not ;-P | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got a N900 ;) | 19:38 |
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| Venemo_N9 | you can walk the woods and you can occasionally check in to IRC | 19:39 |
| kerio | Pali: what turns on the notification led on charge, with your battery module? | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or put espeak to purpose XP | 19:39 |
| Venemo_N9 | lol | 19:39 |
| Pali | kerio, stat pin (connected to bq24150 chip) | 19:40 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, correct me if I'm wrong | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | listen what's that? A bird? A wolf? An alien? - It's Joerg walking the woods with his N900 listening to IRC | 19:40 |
| kerio | hm | 19:40 |
| Venemo_N9 | although I'm a bit concerned about your battery DocScrutinizer05 | 19:40 |
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| kerio | so why does charging with bme have the blinking pattern when the screen is locked? | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: because that's what defined for that scenario at mce.ini | 19:41 |
| Pali | bq2415x_charger module enable EN_STAT | 19:41 |
| kerio | oh ok so it's just a matter of configuring the correct pattern in mce? | 19:41 |
| Venemo_N9 | my N900 never was able to stay connected to IRC for more than a couple of hours before it ran out of battery | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo_N9: depending on traffic 6..18h on 2G | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more like 18 | 19:42 |
| kerio | irc is awful for battery life on gprs | 19:42 |
| Venemo_N9 | DocScrutinizer05, that's nice! | 19:43 |
| kerio | Pali: will your future bme replacement handle stuff like that so your charging module acts like bme wrt the interface? | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: for now you weren't exactly wrong (though the factoid was a bit fuzzy) | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: oooh you answered to kerio - then you were wrong | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's emergency steady amber only | 19:45 |
| kerio | emergency? D: | 19:46 |
| Pali | kerio, bme replacement will also call mce dbus functions for charging pattern (maybe in hal bme plugin) | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell kerio about flatbatrecover | 19:47 |
| kerio | i know about flatbatrecover | 19:47 |
| kerio | but it's definetely not emergency | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: how T bloody F will you call dbus from kernel module? | 19:47 |
| kerio | 950mA until the battery is full is not emergency | 19:48 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, with an userland daemon | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 19:48 |
| kerio | hald-addon-fakebme | 19:48 |
| kerio | or whatevs | 19:48 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, from hald-addon-bme | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I occasionally call hardware recovery charging "emergency charging" | 19:49 |
| kerio | k | 19:49 |
| kerio | it's an emergency charge that's quite un-emergency-y | 19:49 |
| Pali | I think it is right place, because hald-addon-bme will be only one bme replacement daemon | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 19:50 |
| kerio | once that's running, and bq24whatever is correctly calibrated, the battery indicator will actually match the battery, right? | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ke-recv or other kevent-listeners come to mind, but they aren't exactly linked to bme | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: bq27200 isn't meant to get mounted to device, so it will fail miserably when battery gets swapped | 19:52 |
| kerio | never swap the battery! | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 27x00 is for mounting *inside* battery | 19:52 |
| kerio | install two batteries! | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia 'absuded' the bq27200 | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | abused even | 19:53 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well, it'll just reset once the battery is removed and bupbat fails as usual, right? | 19:53 |
| kerio | you can just recalibrate again | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it however can't be more off than after a reste | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reset | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq I haven't even slightest idea to which values it resets. Since reset isn't any usecase specified in 'normal' datashett usage patterns | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for design / last messured capacity which gets reset to some 2500mAh | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or somesuch | 19:56 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is there a way to manually reset it? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure, but think that yes | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a command register that's writeable | 19:59 |
| kerio | what about saving/loading data? | 19:59 |
| kerio | i see | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | some commands don't need special programming mode that only gets enabled with Vpp on a pin | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reset might be one of them | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | setting calibration data isn't afaik | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK or SpeedEvil tried it | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask them | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but nah, I think there's no way to write anything except the "user" calculating registers, without programming mode | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | read the datasheet, it's only some 40pp | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | won't take longer than... errr... you maybe 1h? | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe this one also has something for you: | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~batteryfaq | 20:05 |
| infobot | from memory, batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers | 20:05 |
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| teotwaki | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/SQL-Splits.aspx | 20:22 |
| teotwaki | this is probably one of the worst WTFs I've seen. | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | W**T**F??!! | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha, made my day | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this and B52's-Lava(partymix) | 20:25 |
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| piggz | teotwaki: DocScrutinizer05: @work, i looked through some contractors code, and to not get a div-by-zero, zero was defined as 0.0001 | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LOL | 20:27 |
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| piggz | something like, #define newZero 0.0001 //Lets not get a divide by zero error | 20:27 |
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| teotwaki | piggz: the one I saw was: int pi = 22/7; | 20:28 |
| piggz | i was appauled, becuase the code was littered with try/catch blocks, and it could have been easily caught! | 20:28 |
| teotwaki | piggz: there is no C++ exception for division by 0. | 20:29 |
| piggz | teotwaki: it was c# | 20:29 |
| piggz | is there one there? | 20:29 |
| teotwaki | oh, right, I didn't know C# used #define, my bad. | 20:30 |
| piggz | might have been a const | 20:30 |
| teotwaki | anyway | 20:31 |
| teotwaki | I'm going home | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: WUT?? int(!!) pi? | 20:33 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: oh yeah. | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cool shit! | 20:33 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 goes celebrating first *real* day of vacation | 20:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, well. First real evening of vacation | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since officially I'm in vacation since monday, but just came from work 1h ago | 20:36 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: also: if (strlen(somestring) == true) // throw exception with message "Configuration value not set" | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YAY | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lint will explode | 20:37 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: enjoy your holiday, I'll have my first holiday in nearly 2 years in October :) | 20:37 |
| teotwaki | or one of my favourite, which still is in our codebase: | 20:37 |
| teotwaki | #define 1 TRUE | 20:37 |
| teotwaki | #define 0 FALSE | 20:37 |
| teotwaki | #define -1 NOTSURE | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, what do you do? does each of those voip cals manual asistance? | 20:37 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: I'm the head of engineering, in a company that hasn't had anyone in that position for as long as the company has existed. Work and challenges is not what is lacking. | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 20:39 |
| teotwaki | anyway | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're terribly failing on HR | 20:39 |
| teotwaki | 'later (actually, just going home, so should be back in a few minutes) | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get a stand-in, dude! | 20:39 |
| teotwaki | eh? Why are we (or me?) failing? | 20:39 |
| teotwaki | Oh. | 20:40 |
| teotwaki | Well, I just need to get rid of one guy to get some more resources, then we'll see. | 20:40 |
| teotwaki | Him alone costs as much to the company as the three other engineers on the voip stack. | 20:40 |
| teotwaki | (all three together, obviously) | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (HR -> Human Resources) | 20:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | WTF is going on here? =) | 20:41 |
| piggz | MohammadAG: i have responded to your plea ;) | 20:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: hey | 20:41 |
| teotwaki | So when he goes, my budget will be a lot healthier, and I'll be able to hire someone who can really manage the engineering department | 20:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waves and heads out, shopping and boozetime | 20:42 | |
| ZogG_laptop | i want beer | 20:43 |
| piggz | i probably should log out/in now kde 4.9 had installed.... | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq WUT? | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kde 4.9???? | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omg! | 20:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | piggz: 4.9 is out already? | 20:44 |
| piggz | yes | 20:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | is there roadmap or plans for 5.0? | 20:45 |
| piggz | today i think, there is an opensuse repo with it in | 20:45 |
| piggz | though, the opensuse repo appeared on the 27th, probably when it got tagged | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 4.7.2 here | 20:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | 4.8.4 is here | 20:46 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and i'm on funtoo, which uses gentoo portage as well | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is most recent openSuse! | 20:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | opensuse is more recent than gentoo. where is this world going? | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe as of 4 weeks ago | 20:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | opensuse is most recent dist for 4 weeks or what? | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? when my kde is 4.7.2 how's that more recent than your 4.8.4? | 20:48 |
| piggz | its actually 4.8.97, so, a late rc | 20:48 |
| piggz | http://kde.org/announcements/4.9/ | 20:48 |
| piggz | my machine is now a bastardized mix of 12.1, tumbleweed and an 4.9-rc repo :) | 20:49 |
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| piggz | sudo zypper ar http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/49/openSUSE_12.1/KDE:Release:49.repo && sudo zypper ref && sudo zypper dup | 20:51 |
| piggz | should do it ;) | 20:51 |
| piggz | brb | 20:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: there are most times 0.999 version in gentoo or git version straight from git/svn/other. So it's wierd to see opensuse getting it before us | 20:54 |
| kerio | ~seen robbiethe1st | 20:54 |
| infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-37-128-155.mscw.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14h 8m 18s ago, saying: 'K'. | 20:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyway i don't use KDE | 20:54 |
| kerio | hm | 20:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i hate actually KDE =) | 20:55 |
| kerio | backupmenu installing itself in /usr/ is against FHS | 20:55 |
| luca_ | ;3Q | 20:55 |
| kerio | or something like that | 20:55 |
| luca_ | woops, sorry :P | 20:55 |
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| piggz | well, its still working ;) | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: quite | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification | 20:57 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 20:57 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: backupmenu is really small, and (could be) needed to boot | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | definitely needs to go to /8s)bin | 20:58 |
| kerio | well if nobody starts respecting FHS we'll never get rid of optification | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (s)bin even | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh we will, as soon as Lennart poetterings us with systemd | 20:59 |
| kerio | what's systemd? | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a brainfuck | 21:00 |
| kerio | oh, upstart replacement? | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the upstartd ala poettering | 21:00 |
| kerio | why does that help with optification? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it declares /usr obsolete | 21:01 |
| kerio | wat | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah :-S | 21:01 |
| kerio | sure, if you have a bigass / | 21:01 |
| kerio | ...why don't we have a bigass /? | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | my fedora on CF-29 already has no /usr anymore | 21:05 |
| kerio | no seriously | 21:05 |
| kerio | there's plenty of space on emmc | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/sbin just symlink to /sbin (or was it other way round?) | 21:05 |
| kerio | is the nand much faster? | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my WTF when I checked that friggin fedora distri | 21:07 |
| kerio | try gobolinux >:D | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: (faster?) no, earlier | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if this continues that some retards fsckup linux, I have to do the Linux and fork Joergux | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/the Linux/the Linus/ | 21:09 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: if this continues that some retards fsckup linux, I have to do the Linus and fork Joergux | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or switch to BSD | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~nuke redhat | 21:11 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at redhat ... Bâ¢â¢M! | 21:11 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~nuke canonical | 21:11 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at canonical ... Bâ¢â¢M! | 21:11 | |
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| Estel_ | Re bq27200 - after reset it defaults to 2048 mAh | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | it's true that it gets confused after swapping battery | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | OTOH, I'm glad that Nokians put it inside device, because with simial;r chip sitting ionside battery a) batteries would be more expensive and less modable) b) vendors could impose shit limits like "refuse to work after 500 charge cycles" | 21:24 |
| Estel_ | sitting inside N900, and with batteries containing only basic safety PCB, we're at least sure than no one f*** us on faking data about battery, which is common in notebook world (where such chips *always* sit inside battery) | 21:25 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ping | 21:36 |
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| MohammadAG | Fucking Mac os x | 22:31 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: don't do it, you are too young for this | 22:44 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop: I'll pretend I didn't hear that :P | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | I really don't get, I got to the setup and all, and it shows me a weird animation | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | An image of a mac(?) with an arrow pointing to the power key | 23:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: btw sorry to bug you, but do you still want to give out extra n900 and did you check if you can? | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | Didn't check :/ | 23:04 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: would you advise for and/or against rootfs on emmc? | 23:08 |
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