IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-08-02

ShadowJK	kerio / DocScrutinizer : There's indeed a way to write to bq27200. I've used it. It requires pretty specific battery conditions and use both before and afterwards, so it's no one-tap "make the numbers right" solution	00:00
trumee	Estel_, do you have the whole sdcard for swap or only a partition for swap?	00:01
kerio	trumee: i have a partition for swap	00:01
kerio	2gb	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	who would use the whole SD for swap?	00:02
trumee	kerio, and emmc swap too?	00:02
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: people with a very small SD	00:02
kerio	trumee: yeah, i put them on the same priority to get "striping" of some sorts	00:02
Estel_	trumee, partition on microSd. I have 32 Gb microiSd, so it would be overkill ;)	00:02
trumee	DocScrutinizer, dunno, something i had read on tmo/wiki	00:02
kerio	otherwise, you get decreased speeds	00:02
kerio	emmc is still a lot faster than usd	00:02
Estel_	using both emmc swpa and microSd swap is stupid	00:02
Estel_	eMMC swap always result in problems during heavy-swap load	00:02
kerio	s/lot/lot (?)/	00:02
kerio	D:	00:03
Estel_	not to mention wear&tear on unreplaceable internal memory	00:03
kerio	are you sure?	00:03
DocScrutinizer05	(faster) depends	00:03
Estel_	absolutely sure	00:03
kerio	meh, i'm disabling the internal swap then	00:03
Estel_	swap should sit on microSd ONLY - You may have backup swap on eMMC, for situations, where you newed to take microSd out, but normally it should be disabled	00:03
vi__	you could download lolcats for the rest of your life and still not wear out SD.	00:03
kerio	i'm using a sandisk sdhc class 2	00:03
vi__	This is not 1996 anymore.	00:03
kerio	vi__: :3	00:03
Estel_	SanDisk microSDHC class 4 here, 32 GB	00:03
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Estel_	genuine	00:03
kerio	i want one :c	00:04
Estel_	needed to pay 17 USD for it, including shipping!	00:04
kerio	i don't think this one is actually that good	00:04
Estel_	hunted for it for 3 weeks, though	00:04
kerio	i wonder how to benchmark it, actually	00:04
Estel_	random write matters, only	00:04
trumee	DocScrutinizer, last para of http://wiki.maemo.org/Swap_on_microSD	00:04
kerio	yeah, i wonder how to actually benchmark that	00:05
Estel_	ShadowJK, could You elaborate more about writing to bq27200?	00:05
Estel_	even if it's not fool proof, it's interesting	00:05
kerio	hrmpf, there's no way to disable internal swap with swapset	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	it's all in the datasheet	00:05
Estel_	trumee, afaik this wiki article is severy outdated	00:05
Estel_	kerio, file a feature request	00:05
trumee	Estel_, so where is the latest info?	00:06
Estel_	spread over TMO threads ;P	00:06
Estel_	see thread about ereswap and swapset	00:06
Estel_	and easy debian one, somewhere around last 20 pages, have some I/O settings proposed	00:07
Estel_	kerio, wanna be useful train? Maybe You could gather it and update wiki article?:P	00:07
DocScrutinizer05	world's wisdom and more is spread over tmo, and probably the universal formula as well	00:07
Estel_	would do it myself, although i'm fighting with Ed wheezy now	00:07
Estel_	:)	00:07
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, see cssu channel and question for You :)	00:08
kerio	i wonder if it's worth it to add another swap partition to my uSD so i can switch between the two when i want to defrag the swap	00:08
DocScrutinizer05	see my answer	00:08
kerio	Estel_: oooooh there's a class 4 microsdhc from sandisk on amazon IT	00:11
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Estel_	DocScrutinizer, Pali is sure that those nubmers should be in direct mA values	00:13
Estel_	care to elaborate more?	00:13
Estel_	from "other barrel of vine" all, please see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1246220#post1246042 and post following	00:14
Estel_	Nokia agreed to transfer maemo.org domain to hildon foundation	00:14
Estel_	hoever, as per my bets knowledge, council doesn't see referendum about bylaws their proposed (and overall, organization of foundation) as necessary	00:15
Estel_	I think that foundation, that is going to get community-belonging (as per qgil statement) databases, domain, etc, should follow acceptance of it's rules via referendum and overall community approval	00:16
Estel_	especially, that new entity will not only maintain databases and all community belongings we're able to scavenge from Nokia, but also finances of new foundation	00:16
Estel_	(i.e. money from donations). It's very important to have foundation bylaws reviewed and approved by Community, and while I don't suspect malicious purposes, Council stance (that might have changed already, or might change in future, might You) of no-referendum approach is little worrying	00:17
kerio	Estel_: just bought a sandisk 32gb class 4 µsdhc :D :D :D :D	00:23
kerio	:D :D :D :D :D	00:23
Estel_	nice :)	00:23
Estel_	how much?	00:23
Estel_	be sure to check with sandisk tech support, if it's genuine	00:23
kerio	18€ with 3€ for 1-day shipping	00:23
Estel_	(using serial numbers of card)	00:23
kerio	hell, i'm buying it from amazon	00:23
Estel_	hm?	00:23
Estel_	mind share a link?	00:24
Estel_	s/share/sharing/	00:24
kerio	http://www.amazon.it/Sandisk-SDSDQ-032G-E11M-Class-Micro-SDHC-32768/dp/B003HIWHN0/	00:24
kerio	it'll be kinda useless if you don't live in italy, though :)	00:24
Estel_	~ping	00:24
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Estel_	interesting	00:24
Gh0sty	denied!	00:24
Estel_	seems that someone spend too much time rising ego, instead of walking through woods, eh ;)	00:25
kerio	Estel_: it definetely feels genuine	00:25
Estel_	thanks, kerio	00:25
Estel_	is it new/used?	00:25
kerio	hrmpf, that model name is listed everywhere as class 2	00:25
Estel_	packages, or as card itself?	00:25
kerio	it's sold from amazon.it	00:26
kerio	so... brand new, with packaging?	00:26
Estel_	hope so	00:26
Estel_	amazod used to offer used things too	00:26
kerio	SanDisk - Carte mémoire flash - 32 Go - Class 2 -	00:26
kerio	...wtf	00:26
Estel_	;)	00:26
kerio	oh well, the class 2 32gb uSD has faster random writes anyway	00:26
Estel_	nope	00:27
kerio	and i'll complain and get my money back	00:27
Estel_	class 4 is fastest	00:27
kerio	everyone wins!	00:27
Estel_	iit goes down from 6 and through 10	00:27
Estel_	it's probably	00:27
kerio	http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5071/screenshot20110611at120.png benchmarks on xda-developers	00:27
Estel_	4>2>6>10	00:27
kerio	that's for 4k writes though	00:27
Estel_	no idea about xda fanboysd, but test with booting debian or ubuntu times proved class 4 to be fastest	00:27
Estel_	btw class 4 is hardest to get	00:28
Estel_	sandisk did some upscalling classes later	00:28
Estel_	probably making 4 -> 6	00:28
Estel_	and marking them as two-color, expensive "ultra"	00:28
Estel_	while 6 became 10, probably	00:28
jacekowski	well, i've got class 10 sandisk	00:30
kerio	jacekowski: ew	00:31
jacekowski	and it's faster than class 6 from sandisk	00:31
DocScrutinizer05	jacekowski: condolences	00:31
jacekowski	class 10 or uhs-1	00:31
jacekowski	wait a sec	00:31
jacekowski	uhs-1 class 10	00:32
jacekowski	and it's pretty fast	00:32
jacekowski	as in, so fast it's fastest of all other cards i've tried	00:32
kerio	it's incredibly fast for sequential stuff	00:32
DocScrutinizer05	in hdperf that's what?	00:32
jacekowski	that's what i need it for	00:32
jacekowski	45MB/s claimed	00:32
kerio	but... swap!	00:32
jacekowski	seems about right	00:32
jacekowski	i can shoot RAWs at around 3photos/s	00:32
jacekowski	and it's about 10-15MB/photo	00:33
DocScrutinizer05	sequential write, yeah	00:33
DocScrutinizer05	that's what they're optimized for	00:33
jacekowski	well, those are meant for cameras and camcorders	00:33
DocScrutinizer05	on random writes/reads they are inferior to 4 I heard	00:34
jacekowski	i'm just wondering how	00:34
kerio	idea: swap on EyeFi	00:35
kerio	get your ram on the cloud	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	http://hdperf.sourceforge.net/	00:35
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: E: Couldn't find package hdperf	00:36
kerio	:(	00:36
jacekowski	is there a windows version of it	00:36
kerio	you! evil!	00:36
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jacekowski	ok, i've rebooted	00:41
kerio	Estel_: right now i'm using a sandisk class 2, and it's not bad either	00:43
kerio	16gb	00:43
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kerio	hm, do microsds lose performance over time?	00:45
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jacekowski	yes	00:46
jacekowski	every flash memory does	00:46
kerio	yeah but i mean	00:46
kerio	once they're written once?	00:46
jacekowski	yes	00:47
kerio	or over time?	00:47
jacekowski	both	00:47
kerio	:c	00:47
kerio	how do we know all these microsd benchmarks were done after the cards were written to?	00:47
FIQ	~botsnack	00:47
jacekowski	it's not as much on SD cards	00:47
jacekowski	as on SSD drives and stuff	00:47
kerio	well, performance loss after write on SSD only happens if you don't properly discard	00:48
jacekowski	no	00:48
jacekowski	not only	00:48
kerio	well, mostly?	00:48
jacekowski	SSD performance degrades over time	00:48
DocScrutinizer05	http://www.heise.de/download/h2benchw.html http://www.heise.de/download/h2benchw.html	00:48
jacekowski	just because it's flash memory	00:48
FIQ	~ping	00:48
FIQ	whatever	00:48
DocScrutinizer05	oops	00:48
DocScrutinizer05	http://www.heise.de/download/as-ssd-benchmark.html	00:48
kerio	german, german everywhere	00:49
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jacekowski	ok, sandisk UHS-1	00:49
jacekowski	http://pastebin.com/iCiVGm6Y	00:49
jacekowski	i'm not patient enough to let it do all	00:49
jacekowski	class 6 eyefi seems to be faster according to this benchmark	00:50
jacekowski	and i know for a fact that it isn't	00:50
kerio	Regarding the microSDHC 32GB SanDisk of class-2 has been improved up to Class-4, but anyway it´s important to say that class means minimun write speed guaranteed but not máx. speed.	00:51
kerio	oh lawds	00:51
kerio	so i bought an old class2 :c	00:51
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kerio	meh, i already have a class2	00:54
kerio	i'ma cancel this	00:54
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jacekowski	according to all benchmarks done on PC that class 10 sandisk is slower	00:55
jacekowski	a lot slower	00:55
jacekowski	but on that card i can hold shutter and it will continue taking photos	00:56
jacekowski	as in, it will write it fast enough that buffer will not fill up	00:56
kerio	Estel_: is your class 4 a real class 4?	00:56
jacekowski	on eyefi or class 4 sandisk i've got it will fill up the buffer	00:56
Estel_	because it is slower for all purpoises, EXCEPT raw bulk write	00:56
Estel_	they're usable on on digital cameras/video recorders	00:57
jacekowski	i've done raw bulk write	00:57
jacekowski	copy 100MB file to it	00:57
Estel_	pioty that sandisk advertise them as good candidate for tablets and mobiles	00:57
kerio	Estel_: what's your model number, actually?	00:57
vi__	class 10 is a hoax.	00:57
DocScrutinizer05	http://www.heise.de/download/phoronix-test-suite-1156799.html	00:57
jacekowski	it takes exactly 10s on eyefi and 15s on class10 sandisk	00:57
Estel_	kerio, class 4 Sandisk 32 GB, no model numbe,r it's from times before sandisk introduced custom marketing names like UHS	00:57
kerio	meh, i'm actually going to cancel this purchase	00:57
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kerio	i already have a class 2 sandisk	00:58
kerio	this won't be much better	00:58
Estel_	well, generally, class rating is a hoax	00:58
Estel_	Sandisk have good cards	00:58
vi__	Thay have seriously fucked up the insides of the uSD just to get fast W/R sequential.	00:58
Estel_	kingston class 10 performs inferior to sandisk class 2	00:58
Estel_	etc	00:58
Estel_	sadly, card manufacturers focus on bulk write only	00:58
Estel_	while we need random write/read	00:58
kerio	we need a RAM that fits in a uSD slot	00:58
Estel_	that's why for our purposes, SanDisk class 4 owns everything. class 2 isn't bad, i used it for entire years before purchasing this class 4 32 microSD	00:59
jacekowski	Estel_: that's what most people use it for	00:59
Estel_	in fact, swappiong killed my 2 8GB class 2 ones	00:59
Estel_	jacekowski, not anymore. more cards are in mobiles and tablets, nowadays	00:59
kerio	Estel_: technically i'm buying a class 4 32gb microsd, but it's apparently a kinda recent BS change and it used to be a class 2	00:59
Estel_	than inside camcoders and cameras	00:59
vi__	there is no such thing as cheap flash memory. even amazon is full of fakes.	00:59
Estel_	price isn't bad, anyway	01:00
ds3	Kingston stuff is all over the place	01:00
vi__	if price is good, it is a fake.	01:00
kerio	hrmpf, decisions...	01:00
Estel_	and recently, sandisk stopped producing class 4 anyway, so if You're able to purchase one with C4 mark on it	01:00
Estel_	and it's genuine	01:00
Estel_	it should be OK	01:00
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: then get a RAM that fits into uSD slot!	01:00
Estel_	after BS "upgrade" 3->6,. class 4 disappeared entirely	01:00
Estel_	vi_, fake from amazon shop? ;)	01:00
Estel_	kerio is buyinmg from there	01:00
vi__	kerio: with uSD you do not get bargains.	01:00
vi__	You only get fakes.	01:00
Estel_	I bought one used for 3 months, so I checked originality with sandisk	01:00
kerio	Estel_: this is an upgraded 2->4, but i don't know if the benchmarks for class 4 sds are for the old ones	01:01
vi__	Estel_: yes, fake from amazon shop.	01:01
Estel_	vi_, well, i bought genuine 32GB class 4 for 17 usd incl. shipping	01:01
jacekowski	Estel_: used to store movies and mp3's	01:01
vi__	Estel_: sure.	01:01
Estel_	vi_, seriously :)	01:01
Estel_	before buying, assured seller (which was 16 years old junior on wanna-be-ebay polish site) that I will check originality	01:02
vi__	Estel_: if price is good, it is a fake.	01:02
Estel_	and terrorized him with Sandisk charging huge ammounts for selling fakes	01:02
Estel_	well, I got it, and checked serial nubmers with sandisk	01:02
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vi__	Estel_: if price is good, it is a fake.	01:02
Estel_	it's true, bought in media markt 3 months ago	01:02
vi__	Estel_: if price is good, it is a fake.	01:02
Estel_	s/true/genuine/	01:02
Estel_	yea, and "you won't hijack cssu"	01:03
Estel_	;)	01:03
vi__	what?	01:03
Estel_	well, it seems you were absent, then	01:03
vi__	when?	01:03
Estel_	many months ago, there was a little discussion - first of this kind - between me and DocScrutinizer abnout cssu principles. At some point, his every reply to whatever sentence wirtten by anyone - be it me, freemangordon or Woody - was "you won't hijack CSSU"	01:04
Estel_	it become kinda "contextual gag" since then	01:04
vi__	Estel_: He is a principled engineer. It goes with the turf.	01:04
Estel_	;)	01:05
Estel_	but, with enough hunting, it's possible to buy genuine sandisk class 4, from old supplied, for v. good price	01:05
Estel_	personally, I had auto-searching bot turned on fro 3 weeks, that informed me about new sd cards for sale on such sites	01:05
Estel_	wanna-be-ebays	01:05
Estel_	he wanted to sell it for more, but I convinced him that 17 USd is max that he can get	01:06
Estel_	cough	01:06
Estel_	years of rpactice on wanna-be-eaby sites	01:06
Estel_	practice, even	01:06
vi__	£(my time spent hunting for bargains)>savings	01:07
Estel_	bot hunt for me	01:07
Estel_	I just get daily raports to mail	01:07
Estel_	with new offers	01:07
Estel_	of course oens that ar ein line with my search criteria	01:07
Estel_	i.e. below certain price, and containing certan words	01:07
Estel_	btwm how collecting pledges for zeq device goes? Have they send it already?	01:08
Estel_	well, nokia is selling QT	01:10
Estel_	anyone wannja buy? I could donate 0.10 $	01:10
* DocScrutinizer05 sighs, throws in another 10ct		01:11
* kerio throws in his 0.02		01:11
DocScrutinizer05	vi__: what's with zeq's device?	01:12
DocScrutinizer05	do i need to google for tmo zeq n900?	01:13
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Estel_	rather for [call to arms!]	01:18
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Estel_	on TMO	01:18
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Estel_	DocScrutinizer, asking it last time - do You care to elaborate more about this method of calculating sysfs entries for bq2415x_charger, which Pali belives that should be direct mA values?	01:19
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DocScrutinizer05	yes	01:20
Estel_	You're probably right that it's in specification, somewhere, but if You know it already, it's kinda useless to send someone into reading 40 or more pages document	01:20
Estel_	i.e. doing the same work again :0	01:20
Estel_	i'll be thankful, if You could explain it	01:20
Estel_	of course if You remember it	01:20
Estel_	especially interesting for me, if it's bug, that termination_current is 6550 by default, but when you change it to something else, it refguse to accept own default value again...	01:20
Estel_	and is either 6500 (should mean 50 mA)	01:21
Estel_	or 6800 (no idea what is it =- max value should be 6850, which would correspond to 400 mA)	01:21
Estel_	i.e. whjatever You put there, it changes itself to either 6500 or 6800	01:21
Estel_	also, whyy such strange numbers, instead of real mA values as expected by Pali?	01:21
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, nfc	01:22
Estel_	termination_current may be a bug	01:22
Estel_	charge_current is 1750 by default, which mean 950, and it's constantly in line when changed	01:22
Estel_	i.e. 2050 is 1250	01:22
Estel_	300 more than 950, 300 more than 1750	01:22
Estel_	so maybe You remember why so strange numbers?	01:22
Estel_	1750 -> 950 mA etc?	01:23
DocScrutinizer05	lots of gibberish to me	01:23
Estel_	Pali expect it to be 950 -> 950 mA	01:23
Estel_	I see	01:23
Estel_	well, he said it's derived directly from Your implementation :p	01:23
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zeq1	Estel_: it's typical for raw hw sensor values to require processing with a formula derived from the datasheet.	01:24
DocScrutinizer05	no faintest clue what you're talking about	01:25
zeq1	Estel_: look into lm_sensors	01:25
Estel_	zeq, erxactly, thats why I'm surprised that Pali sees it as direct ma values	01:25
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, here is relevant part of source code:	01:25
Estel_	https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/bq2415x_charger.patch;hb=HEAD#l1319	01:25
DocScrutinizer05	zeq1: that's not how this API got specified by me. No idea if pali tried to implement this API the way I specified it or not	01:25
Estel_	maybe it will make it easier for black magicians ;)	01:25
Estel_	he said he tried to implement it the way You specified it	01:26
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Estel_	...to the point fo sendiong me to you about possible bugs ;p	01:26
Estel_	s/sendiong/sending/	01:26
Estel_	lol	01:26
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DocScrutinizer05	what am I supposed to do now? explain why somebody else's code behaves in a way that's not in line with my RFC?	01:27
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, seems like it's what Pali mean ;)	01:27
Estel_	judging by: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/bq24150-sysnode.spec.txt	01:27
Estel_	it should be direct mA	01:27
DocScrutinizer05	we might argue whether that should be uA like on all other power/battery related stuff, but beyond that I dunno what to do	01:28
Estel_	well, as author of this formula, maybe You would be able to spot where Pali's code fail to follow it? His intentions was to follow it	01:28
* Estel_ nods		01:28
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Estel_	I'll forward irc log to him and try to convince him into looking for bugs inc doe himself, I've described behavior with details in bug report (which value act how and when)	01:29
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DocScrutinizer05	I might proofread the source	01:29
DocScrutinizer05	but not today	01:29
* DocScrutinizer05 is on vacancy today		01:30
Estel_	I know, have a nice holiday :)	01:31
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Estel_	and don't discuss with squirrels about ABI compatibility!	01:32
Estel_	;)	01:32
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Estel_	I'm starting my holidays day after tommorow - with lake, woods, river, fishing and possibility of being out of mobile network coverage	01:33
DocScrutinizer05	zeq1: raw values are in R0 .. Rnn register sysnodes	01:35
DocScrutinizer05	the value sysnodes however are bitmasked and normalized plain values	01:35
DocScrutinizer05	evrything else is neither raw nor plain, and thus insane	01:36
DocScrutinizer05	USB-curlimr/w1[7:6]"100"(00) 100mA USB input current limit	01:37
DocScrutinizer05	"500"(01) 500mA	01:37
DocScrutinizer05	"800"(10) 800mA	01:37
DocScrutinizer05	"1200"(11) unlimited	01:37
zeq1	more useful that way. I think the only reason that's not the norm with most sensor drivers is the configuration is usually board specific	01:37
DocScrutinizer05	what else could you expose/accept in this sysnode, for example? 0 .. 3 ?	01:37
DocScrutinizer05	there's one board config specific parameter: RS (shunt resistor). I suggested module takes a sane default that you can override with module loadtime parameter	01:39
DocScrutinizer05	modprobe bq24150 RS=68	01:40
zeq1	nice solution	01:40
zeq1	I'm off to sleep now, night everybody!	01:40
DocScrutinizer05	n8	01:41
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DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: actually the two values affected by this RS are chterm_thld and CC	01:43
DocScrutinizer05	so if RS is way off, you'll see way off values in those sysnodes	01:43
nox-	https://twitter.com/SadaoTurner/status/230737352958566401/photo/1/large	01:43
DocScrutinizer05	o/	01:44
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, thanks	01:44
Estel_	will investigate it. I wonder if modprobe bq24150 RS=68 works now	01:45
Estel_	9in current implementation)	01:45
Estel_	but I wonder how insane values we would need to make 950 -> 1750	01:45
Estel_	and termiantion current 100 -> 6550	01:45
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DocScrutinizer05	please ponjt me to the proper ticker addr	01:47
DocScrutinizer05	point*	01:47
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DocScrutinizer05	it's per design that driver picks min valid value when you set a too low value, and it picks max valid if you write a too high one	01:48
DocScrutinizer05	min and max valid are determined by RS	01:48
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DocScrutinizer05	Battery low threshold, 3V4+200mV+100mV	01:50
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DocScrutinizer05	writing valid positive base10	01:50
DocScrutinizer05	<3400 ->3400	01:50
DocScrutinizer05	>3700 ->3700	01:50
DocScrutinizer05	nn00..nn99 ->nn00	01:50
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DocScrutinizer05	this one NOT related to RS	01:50
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kerio	Estel_: does ereswap use "swap2" to cycle the swap?	01:57
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, values with voltage are OK	01:57
Estel_	ticket? there is no ticker, kernel-power 51r1 is in -devel, and bq2415x_charger is even more develish, everything is resolve din TMO thread, for now	01:58
Estel_	See this: modprobe bq24150 RS=68	01:59
Estel_	damn	01:59
Estel_	not this	01:59
Estel_	this:	01:59
Estel_	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1245675&postcount=82	01:59
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Estel_	this:	01:59
Estel_	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1245675&postcount=82	01:59
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Estel_	and this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1245675&postcount=82	01:59
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, ^^	01:59
Estel_	despite possible problems with RS, which is good point, I think that there is additional bug with termination_current	02:00
Estel_	as it doesn't only fix itself to max and min possible values...	02:00
Estel_	but also accept ONLY min and max values, nothing in between, even value that was set by default	02:00
Estel_	if You touch it once, You can't get back, until you reload module	02:00
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DocScrutinizer51	yeah, bug	02:03
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ShadowJK	Estel_; basically you charge full, disconnect charger, immediately write AR, write command register, write the execute to command reg pair.. discharge battery to empty (6%, edv1 1)	02:22
Estel_	ShadowJK, thanks, but "write AR"? By which means?	02:24
Estel_	same for "register"	02:24
Estel_	and, basically, which values we're able to edit, this way?	02:24
ShadowJK	re flash, I have sandisk c4, sandisk c2 in older braniding, and sandisk c4 new branding. the new c4 is slowe than old c2 for 4k random write :P	02:24
kerio	:c	02:25
ShadowJK	so class rating seems pretty useless	02:25
Estel_	but new c4isn't black card with C4 mark, yep?	02:25
ShadowJK	thosw xda dev results look more like old sandisk in the top	02:26
Estel_	Estel_> ShadowJK, thanks, but "write AR"? By which means?	02:29
Estel_	just in case it slipped from Your attention :)	02:29
kerio	Estel_: the new c4 is a black card with a c4 mark	02:29
kerio	ShadowJK: meh, i'll make use of the extra space i guess	02:29
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Estel_	suuuure... dist-upgrade to wheezy - as said earlier, 875 MB to download, 725 more used after installation. But now, I purged network-manager and network-manager-gnome, and replaced it with wicd...	02:30
Estel_	result - 175 less space used	02:31
Estel_	due to auto-removing 2353245432543 of gnome-related packages	02:31
Estel_	gnome, ffs	02:31
* Estel_ is updating Easy Debian image to wheezy)		02:31
ShadowJK	Estel_; there are like 3 registers on bq27w00 that must be written in the correct order with the correct values, without risk of kernel drivers or bme accessing the chip simultaneously, and also the battery state must be fully charged (within 98%+ actually), then after a full discharge must be performed, after which the chip will set battery capacity when full to measured discharge +-6% of the value written into the AR register	02:33
Estel_	I see. Written via i2cset?	02:34
ShadowJK	so this means it's a shortcut to, if you know actual battery capacity beforehand, learn the capacity with only one cycle instead of 4	02:35
Estel_	also, what is gain of that? If we charge fully, then discharge to edv1 with VDQ1, it updates capacity anyway. so what use is for writing something manuallu? What we can write, actually?	02:35
Estel_	ahhh	02:35
Estel_	so I can have current value 2000, then call 3000 when batteyr is full, discharge to edv1, and it will register 3000 without bitching about too big change in capacity?	02:35
ShadowJK	well that's the easiest tool available :P	02:36
Estel_	so last question, if You don't mind - do you have, somewhere nearby, registers that we need to access, and order of doing so?	02:38
Estel_	would like to experiment with it, after charging battery to full	02:38
Estel_	I suppose it's in datasheet, but if You already know it, no use in searching for it again...	02:38
Estel_	we can't change things like edv1 treshold, and so goes on, via any means?	02:38
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ShadowJK	I don't remembe it, and it took me 5 passes through datasheet to figure it out	02:40
Estel_	:) thanks, i'll search for it on my own	02:40
Estel_	(thought that You've written it somewhere)	02:40
ShadowJK	one thing I do remember is that some of the registers have different meaning/contents/function depending on whether you read or write	02:41
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Estel_	hm	02:43
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DocScrutinizer51	,you can't change stuff like EDV threshold	03:07
DocScrutinizer51	hardcoded	03:07
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RiD	woah what happened to infobot?	03:28
RiD	He's called povbot now?	03:28
uroskn	quick question: how come nice values are not always inherited?	03:37
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LaoLang_cool	Hi	04:03
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* ShadowJK wonders if ohmd is readjusting nice values and other limits		04:07
ShadowJK	Estel_; i havent published anything because I worried people would try to run it same time as bme, battery modules, or indeed simultaneous with bq27200 or charge script	04:07
ShadowJK	and/or on pk versions allowing simultaneous access	04:08
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ShadowJK	:)	04:09
* RST38h moos		04:10
jonwil	ShadowJK, read this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83447&page=5	04:10
jonwil	specifrically the post by kli (who did the various OHM work in the N900)	04:10
RST38h	Nokia closes off Australian unit responsible for QtMobile and friends	04:10
jonwil	it confirms that yes, the OHM daemon (and specifically the policy stuff) does affect CPU allocation depending on what events happen	04:11
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DocScrutinizer05	povbot: seen infobot	04:15
povbot	DocScrutinizer05: infobot was last seen in #maemo 7 hours, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at canonical ... Bâ¢â¢M!	04:15
DocScrutinizer05	RST38h: moo	04:16
DocScrutinizer05	jonwil: hi fella	04:16
jonwil	hi	04:16
* DocScrutinizer05 hands out a few virtual invitations to a very realy BBQ in 18h		04:17
ShadowJK	I'm not at my octo-core 8gig ram supercomputer atm, so huge slow js layout heavy pages like tmo are a pain to load :P	04:18
robbiethe1st	The BBQ roasting on a bunch of OC'd N900s?	04:18
DocScrutinizer05	robbiethe1st: hey hi!!!	04:18
robbiethe1st	...Or maybe Xboxes?	04:18
DocScrutinizer05	charcoal	04:18
robbiethe1st	No fun. :(	04:19
DocScrutinizer05	but best quality argentinian or irish beef	04:19
robbiethe1st	Cool	04:19
DocScrutinizer05	anybody near north bavaria?	04:20
robbiethe1st	Other side of the world, man.	04:21
DocScrutinizer05	I'll keep some few 100g and pastebin it to you	04:22
robbiethe1st	:D	04:22
ShadowJK	dunno if tmo does it, but so many webforums upgraded software and firefox started hanging for 5 secs per page view on my qyadcore desktop, so I've mostly stopped reading webforums alltogether to avoid frustration	04:22
jonwil	I do love a good piece of steak :)	04:22
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: dafaq I encountered same BS	04:24
DocScrutinizer05	jonwil: we all should meet at Werner Almesberger's place. He has an awesome grill and the best meat on this globe ;-)	04:26
DocScrutinizer05	jonwil: Werner won't let you go unless you ate 500g minimum ;-D	04:27
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DocScrutinizer05	somehow it feels like we should make happen a meeting without Nokia patronage. Just those of us who wanna have a good time and love N900	04:29
DocScrutinizer05	prolly too late for my 10 ndays vacancy	04:30
jonwil	I just wish Australia wasn't so far away from everywhere else	04:32
DocScrutinizer05	that's a genuine problem of australians ;-P	04:33
DocScrutinizer05	jonwil: ask Rasterman how he handles that!	04:34
RST38h	Hey Doc	04:34
RST38h	Doc: Raster handled it by moving to .KR	04:34
DocScrutinizer05	hey RST38h	04:34
LaoLang_coo_	Missing an importand canlendar function: copy an event	04:34
DocScrutinizer05	temporaraily	04:34
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RST38h	But .AU and .NZ are on my emergency list in case The Big One starts	04:35
DocScrutinizer05	LaoLang_coo_: not first one. I bitched about it 2 years ago	04:35
jonwil	I like Australia and dont want to move	04:35
RST38h	Nobody will ever want to bomb NZ	04:35
RST38h	jonwil: 50% chance of skin cancer though? No?	04:35
LaoLang_coo_	DocScrutinizer05, not any changed 2 years long!	04:35
DocScrutinizer05	RST38h: wasted money	04:35
RST38h	Doc?	04:36
RST38h	got yourself a win7 phone or what?	04:36
DocScrutinizer05	eh???	04:36
jonwil	Australia is a great place to move, we have good internet	04:36
RST38h	what was the "wasted money" remark about?	04:36
jonwil	good food	04:36
jonwil	and good culture	04:37
DocScrutinizer05	got vacancy and way too litle ethanol	04:37
DocScrutinizer05	wasted money for bombs, RST38h	04:37
jonwil	Australia also has a great drinking culture if thats ya thing :)	04:38
DocScrutinizer05	yep!!!	04:38
DocScrutinizer05	ask Rasterman!	04:38
DocScrutinizer05	Hw'll tellya	04:39
DocScrutinizer05	he*	04:39
merlin1991	jonwil: and silly game regulations	04:39
* DocScrutinizer05 afk for TV		04:39
jonwil	yeah those were recently changed	04:39
DocScrutinizer05	and Steak BBQ local invitations	04:40
merlin1991	really? I thought you still had 16+ as maximum rating?	04:40
DocScrutinizer05	hi merlin1991	04:40
jonwil	We are in the process of passing laws introducing an R18+ classification	04:40
jonwil	i.e. its going to happen, just hasn't happened yet	04:40
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: come over for a really tasty steak?	04:40
merlin1991	ah yeah not to mention REALLY WEIRD voluntary censorship by isps	04:41
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: I'd love too but I'm stuck here till saturday :D	04:41
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merlin1991	s/too/to/	04:41
DocScrutinizer05	a pity	04:41
jonwil	What happened was that the government attempted to pass legislation to force ISPs to censor (presumably things like terrorist sites, hate groups, child porn etc)	04:41
jonwil	but public outcry, various leaks of blacklists and things caused this not to happen	04:42
DocScrutinizer05	(infobot got raped by some hooligan)	04:42
merlin1991	I remember a really interesting list of urls, that mainly seemed to censor in the interest of media producing corporations	04:42
jonwil	The government then said "ok, we will review the censorship proposals"	04:43
merlin1991	review usually means pass it a year later ;)	04:43
DocScrutinizer05	Thank God I'm not the facebook fan	04:43
jonwil	thankfully the current makeup of our parliament makes it very hard for the government to pass laws like this	04:43
DocScrutinizer05	otherwise our little garden would get trampled to the ground by 10.000	04:44
jonwil	They have to negotiate with other parties who (last I checked) are not censorship friendly	04:44
DocScrutinizer05	o/	04:44
merlin1991	jonwil: though other than that I currently can't name any bad points about your homecountry :D	04:44
jonwil	What did happen is that a few ISPs (including Telstra, the biggest one) agreed to voluntarily filter against an Interpol blacklist	04:45
jonwil	me, I trust that an	04:45
jonwil	an Interpol blacklist is likely to be better than one decided by a government department	04:45
RiD	lol	04:46
RiD	i guess i'm not safe anymore	04:46
jonwil	since Interpol presumably is more likely to put the genuinely bad stuff (child porn, hate sites etc) on the list and not just the stuff that might embarrass someone or whatever	04:46
* RiD runs from Interpol		04:46
DocScrutinizer05	Australia being the biggest coal exporter worldwide...	04:46
jonwil	personally I think coal is dirty evil stuff and the less of it we burn, the better	04:47
jonwil	We should be looking at ways to generate our electricity using anything but coal	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	~seen raster	04:47
RiD	dead bot is dead	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	meh!	04:47
RiD	what happened to infobot?	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	yeah she's dead	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	sb killed tim's server	04:48
merlin1991	hm with all the deserts you have you should be able to generate quite some electricity via alternative methods?	04:48
DocScrutinizer05	povbot: seen raster	04:48
povbot	DocScrutinizer05: raster was last seen in #maemo 2 years, 1 week, 1 day, 14 hours, 42 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <raster> moo	04:48
DocScrutinizer05	LOLWUIT!?"!	04:48
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RiD	o_o	04:49
jonwil	well the governments dont want to spend the money to implement alternatives to coal	04:49
RiD	povbot: seen DocScrutinizer05	04:49
povbot	RiD: DocScrutinizer05 was last seen in #maemo 19 seconds ago: <DocScrutinizer05> LOLWUIT!?"!	04:49
jonwil	government/private business	04:49
jonwil	because coal is cheap and reliable	04:49
jonwil	although the local power company around here does have a few wind turbines around the place	04:49
jonwil	and also a bunch of power plants using natural gas	04:49
DocScrutinizer05	TV/stereo	04:49
jonwil	as well as the coal	04:49
DocScrutinizer05	o/	04:49
RiD	what has tv/stereo to do with coal and power companies?	04:50
DocScrutinizer05	that's what I gonna do now	04:50
jonwil	and I think some announcement happened recently that they were going to power the local naval base with some sort of tidal power plant	04:50
DocScrutinizer05	cya	04:50
merlin1991	the tidal stuff is crazy :D	04:51
jonwil	:)	04:51
merlin1991	allthough a tad more reliable than wind turbines	04:51
jonwil	Australia is also building a nice fast broadband network	04:51
jonwil	much faster than what most of the US has access to	04:52
RiD	and google started their 1000mbps service	04:52
merlin1991	jonwil: if I'd compare with the US I'd start with their energy grid	04:52
RiD	im stuck with 7/0.5 Mb	04:52
jonwil	I am currently getting 16 down 1 up	04:54
jonwil	or so	04:54
jonwil	on ADSL2+	04:54
jonwil	and unlike most of the US I have genuine choice in providers	04:54
RiD	lol	04:55
RiD	3g network here works at 5/3....	04:55
merlin1991	and unlike most of the us citizens I live in europe :)	04:55
RiD	3g being better than adsl on my home	04:55
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jonwil	I get 500GB a month download quota and have not come anywhere near that amount	04:56
RiD	when signal is strong it's 5/5	04:56
RiD	i have "9999999"	04:56
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RiD	a few more 9 or zeros. really.	04:56
merlin1991	hm I have 32 / 2 Mbps here	04:57
RiD	my school has 20/23. This was before they gave the wifi password and usernames to everyone	04:57
RiD	ever since it's been 2/1 because everyone is using it	04:57
jonwil	When the new National Broadband Network hits my area (which is in the next batch of areas to be rolled out) I will be able to get up to 100Mbps	04:58
jonwil	depending on how much I want to pay	04:58
merlin1991	here one can get 100/100 already, though my street doesn't have the cables yet	04:59
RiD	i'm going	04:59
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jonwil	prices are reasonable too, I am paying $25 a month for a home phone line (which I need for ADSL even though I don't make phone calls on it at all), $49.99 for internet and $14.99 for my mobile phone plan	05:01
jonwil	well reasonable by .au standards anyway :P	05:02
jonwil	although my phone line rental cost is going to go up by $2 a few months :(	05:02
jonwil	in a few months	05:02
jonwil	greedy bastards :P	05:02
merlin1991	hm 35€ for landline, tv (with digital hd stuff) and 35/4 Internet + add another 9€ for my mobile plan	05:03
jonwil	I dont pay for TV, I get enough TV as it is for free over the air	05:04
jonwil	and for anything else there is always YouTube :P	05:05
merlin1991	while technically it is free over the air it's impossible to get a sattelite dish on the roof	05:05
merlin1991	s/sattelite/satellite/	05:06
jonwil	this is just over-the-air with a normal TV antenna	05:06
merlin1991	tv antenna contains only 5 channels here, and also impossible to mount in this house	05:06
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Estel_	well, here in Poland we have "agressive" DVB-T mpeg4 campaing	05:10
Estel_	agressive as in "analog will be turned off in few months at all"	05:10
Estel_	it's a pity, though, that even with custom made fractal, I can't get all stations in center of Poznan. although, it's local problem, as rest of the city have it in fork inserted into antenna socket	05:11
jonwil	I get about 17 channels over-the-air from 5 networks plus a local "community" station	05:11
Estel_	I needed to construct MEGA big fractal antenna and hang it out 3 meter out of balcony, to have what I have, even ;)	05:11
Estel_	well, net isn't bad, I have 100 MB/s for reasonable price	05:12
Estel_	and 50 MB for even more reasonable one	05:12
Estel_	upload sucks a little, 5MB	05:12
Estel_	mb	05:12
Estel_	and 50 and 100 also mb	05:12
Estel_	not MB	05:12
Estel_	mobile one sucks, though, limits are terribly low	05:12
Estel_	and 3G coverage only in cities, most of the time	05:12
Estel_	ShadowJK, I understand, but You know, everyone is free to burn own device with i2cset anyway...:p	05:13
jonwil	Pay TV here would cost me $45 per month for the base package and even more to get the good channels	05:13
jonwil	which is why I dont have it	05:13
Estel_	publicizing knowledge isn't bad ;)	05:13
Estel_	paytv quite cheap here, although I don't watch Tv at all, basically	05:13
Estel_	I'm just pissed off that they've took radio stations out of DVB-T mux'es	05:13
Estel_	it was my maion rationale behind paying hard earned 30 USD for ideal condition winfat digital/analog hybrid :(	05:14
Estel_	It's great, anyway	05:14
Estel_	need to pestfer Pali for modules into KP, one day	05:14
Estel_	USB one, but have both digital and analog TV + radio, mpeg4 and mpeg2 all-together, basically everything, except fubarish US standards	05:15
Estel_	]+ weight something like 50 gram, and does decoding in hardware :P	05:15
* nox- has phone + adsl 2 Mbit for ~40 eur w/o cap, sat tv astra 19E2 with about 30 fta hd channels (some duplicates with local programming at times tho) and lots more sd		05:17
Estel_	net acces sounds ridicolously expensive	05:17
Estel_	2 Mb here is... like 7 usd?	05:18
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Estel_	but ADSL generally get on my nerves	05:18
nox-	yeah there are cheaper isps but service there is even worse (and i probably could upgrade to 8 Mbit or so at this one)	05:18
Estel_	need to buy 50 Mb/s package from cable TV, as soon as i'll stop using open network, that by luck is nearby	05:19
Estel_	it's exacty 2Mb/s download 376 kbps upload	05:19
Estel_	and surprisingly, works very reliably	05:19
Estel_	my wrt54gl is sucking this net, and another one propagates it under my own, encrypted ssid for rest of house, as it's available in only one part of house :P	05:20
Estel_	and by open, i mean really open, no wep, no anything	05:20
nox-	:)	05:20
Estel_	no mac filtering even	05:20
* nox- uses wifi only for the smartphone		05:20
Estel_	sounds like card nubmer phishing candidate ;p	05:20
jonwil	I only use the WiFi for the N900 also	05:21
Estel_	same here	05:21
jonwil	Ethernet is faster and better to connect the Gentoo box, the Windows box and the PVR	05:21
Estel_	my notebook (which act as desktop, 995 of time) is connected via ethernet cable	05:21
Estel_	tmo down?	05:22
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jonwil	TMO is working for me	05:29
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Estel_	started to work a while ago	05:42
Estel_	zeq, ping	05:42
Estel_	I've installed fennec from thumb, and it segfaults jsut a few seconds after openin	05:43
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ShadowJK	Estel_, completed a few tests. Chargerate 1250 vs 950 results a few months ago. Difference in chargetime 1250mA: 2 hours 12 minutes, 950mA: 2 hours 17 minutes	07:48
ShadowJK	:P	07:48
ShadowJK	redoing 950	07:48
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vi__	DocScrutinizer05: 23:12 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: what's with zeq's device?	09:09
vi__	read [call to arms!] post on tmo. check your TMO PMs. Paypal me that 20 euro. I am hoping to pick it up this friday, probably mail it saturday.	09:10
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vi_	DocScrutinizer05: ping	10:52
vi_	DocScrutinizer51: ping	10:52
vi_	doc\|home: ping	10:52
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doc\|home	vi_: ?	10:55
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vi_	doc\|home: Guten tag!	10:57
vi_	Did you read the thread [call to arms!]?	10:57
vi_	and your PMs?	10:57
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doc\|home	vi_: I think you have me confused with someone else	10:58
vi_	DocScrutinizer?	11:00
kerio	haha	11:00
vi_	doc\|home!=docScrutinizer?	11:01
vi_	I understand.	11:01
vi_	Please carry on with your day.	11:01
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* jonwil doubts that there is anyone out there who can figure out this sim related stuff I have been trying to figure out (function calls in libconnui-cell which lead to dbus messages which lead to ISI messages) :'(		11:14
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qwazix	vi_: how did it go? recieved all the pledges yet?	11:24
qwazix	s/recieved/received/	11:25
infobot	qwazix meant: vi_: how did it go? received all the pledges yet?	11:25
qwazix	~botsnack	11:25
infobot	qwazix: thanks	11:25
vi_	jonwil: If anyone can, it is you!	11:31
vi_	I believe in jonwil!	11:31
vi_	The reverser we need.	11:31
jonwil	I have run out of options	11:31
vi_	But not the reverser we deserve :(	11:32
jonwil	I have tried every trick in the book	11:32
vi_	qwazix: There is still one pledge to be paid.	11:32
vi_	I am hoping to pick it up tomorrow.	11:32
vi_	Then mail it on saturday.	11:32
vi_	zeq: ping	11:32
jonwil	the problem stems from not knowing what the cellular modem passes back to userspace as part of these messages	11:32
vi_	qwazix: You asked yesterday about smart reflex.	11:33
vi_	specifically how to permanently turn it on.	11:33
qwazix	vi_: nice, if it doesn't come through, I can chip in up to 20	11:34
vi_	cheers bro!	11:34
qwazix	about sr, I modified pmconfig	11:34
vi_	qwazix: The best way to turn on SR is to edit /etc/pmconfig	11:34
qwazix	yep, I asked because there was a seperate entry for kernel power in the wiki without instructions	11:35
qwazix	maybe I should delete that? It's confusing and not very helpful anyway	11:36
vi_	qwazix: link please.	11:36
qwazix	w8	11:36
qwazix	http://wiki.maemo.org/Smartreflex#Terminal	11:37
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vi_	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-461703/Whale-survives-harpoon-attack-130-years-ago-worlds-oldest-mammal.html	11:38
vi_	...I wrote that article.	11:39
vi_	It explains in very simple terms at least 3 ways of enabling smart reflex.	11:39
vi_	It also explains what SR is.	11:39
jacekowski	does it explain how to fix it	11:40
vi_	No, 4 ways.	11:40
vi_	jacekowski: Hah hah!	11:40
qwazix	I am talking about the line "Assuming you are using Kernel Power the instruction for use are:- "	11:40
vi_	I did not write that bit.	11:41
qwazix	and there is a link to a page where smartreflex is not mentioned at all	11:41
vi_	I thought it was ass as well.	11:41
qwazix	That is what I propose we should delete	11:41
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zeq	vi_: pong	11:42
freemangordon	jacekowski: what needs to be fixed in smartreflex in KP/KCSSU? Is there any bug I am not aware of?	11:43
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freemangordon	qwazix: vi_: are you going to update wiki article about OC/SR?	11:46
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qwazix	freemangordon: If vi agrees I can remove that unhelpful line	11:48
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freemangordon	it will be good if someone updates both that and KP documentation, esp the deprecated profiles	11:49
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LaoLang_cool	Hi, how to copy a conversation?	11:50
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freemangordon	push-n-hold	11:50
freemangordon	iirc	11:50
qwazix	freemangordon: I'm not an overclocker so I'd better not mess with the profiles. Other than removing the line I mentioned above what else should be modified re SR	11:51
vi_	zeq: Can you email me your postal address please?	11:51
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freemangordon	qwazix: lemme check	11:53
vi_	freemangordon: It is a tough on. The whole power kernel/overclock/SR articles need an overhaul.	11:53
freemangordon	vi_: yes, i know	11:53
vi_	freemangordon: I wrote that article on SR, however it has been edited to include faggotry.	11:53
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qwazix	I'm tempted to create a crawler in php that tries to retrieve mail addresses circumventing every new creative snti-spam method I encounter	11:54
freemangordon	qwazix: "Using the stock Nokia kernel it can only be activated up to 805MHz at most" is incorrect	11:54
freemangordon	not to say bullshit	11:54
freemangordon	first of all you cannot clock stock kernel to 805	11:54
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qwazix	haha ofcourse...	11:55
zeq	vi_: done	11:55
freemangordon	and SR is supported in driver up to 600	11:55
zeq	:D	11:55
qwazix	hadn't noticed	11:55
vi_	zeq: cheers zeq.	11:55
vi_	freemangordon: 'Traditionally' It would only work up to around 805MHz on stock nokia kernel.	11:55
vi_	For some people, lower for others.	11:56
vi_	805MHz was the value reported by kernel-config.	11:56
freemangordon	vi_: how the fuck you run stock @ 805?	11:56
qwazix	freemangordon: ok I'll reread and edit out any obvious bs	11:56
vi_	Very good point.	11:56
vi_	DERP	11:56
vi_	What it actually should say is prior to you fixing the driver, it would work upto 805MHz.	11:57
vi_	WITH PK.	11:57
freemangordon	also even for KP, the range it is rock-stable is 125-600, you are not guaranteed above that	11:57
freemangordon	if DSP is OC that is	11:57
freemangordon	if DSP is not OC, you should be ok for the rang 125-900	11:58
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qwazix	freemangordon: in whick kp version was the driver fixed?	11:58
freemangordon	*range	11:58
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freemangordon	qwazix: 49 or 50 iirc, but let it be 50, just in case	11:59
freemangordon	anyway you cannot install 49 from extras	11:59
qwazix	kk, but due to pre-palis' uboot situation many dualbooters are on old kp's	12:00
freemangordon	ok, lemme check	12:00
qwazix	too much hassle to build combined images and flash each time a new kp is out	12:00
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freemangordon	qwazix: it is 50, 49 is not guaranteed to be stable. from KP50 changelog "* efuse calibrations are re-calculated - using linear approximation instead of hard-coded increments"	12:02
qwazix	freemangordon: ok, going to edit now	12:02
freemangordon	thanks a lot	12:02
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qwazix	btw, you have raised the bar for fennec yourselves pretty high, thumb microb is ultra-fast	12:03
freemangordon	qwazix: I know :D	12:03
freemangordon	but that is a good think after all	12:03
freemangordon	thing even	12:03
* jonwil wishes the microb UI was open, I bet thumb microb-UI would be even better :P		12:04
freemangordon	qwazix: re SR wiki: that GUI at the end, does it work?	12:04
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freemangordon	luca_: yeah, but me begging them does not seem to help, as there are still "gurus" like kerio using apt-get :P	12:17
vi_	qwazix: TY qwaz	12:17
kerio	fu	12:17
kerio	:c	12:17
qwazix	see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1157835&postcount=180	12:17
kerio	HAM takes 12 minutes to start working, for me	12:17
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freemangordon	kerio: I don't care if it takes not 12 but 24 minutes, this is how it should be done. And I can bet you can just leave it in background while doing other things with your device	12:19
kerio	no, because it's 12 minutes of 100% cpu	12:20
luca_	btw, I think I already commented this problem here, but I didn't get a good answer and google and some DD friends couldn't help me either, so here is it again:	12:21
vi_	kerio: OH GAWD. YOU WILL HAVE TO FIND SOMTHING THAT IS NOT YOUR N900 TO DO FOR 12 MINUTES.	12:21
kerio	free	12:21
kerio	er	12:21
vi_	FML	12:21
luca_	I'm uploading my first maemo app and I'm getting an error in the builder but just for i386	12:21
kerio	freemangordon: besides, apt works fine for me	12:21
kerio	and for a long time i had been just using thumb2 binaries without the mp	12:21
vi_	kerio: Then you have no recourse when we rip on you when your device is broken.	12:21
luca_	dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory	12:22
vi_	If you use apt, your IRC warrenty is broken.	12:22
luca_	debian/files is not included in the repo, as the debian mantainers guide mandates	12:22
luca_	and when building on armel, the file is properly generated by dpkg-genchanges	12:22
luca_	why could this be not working for i386?	12:23
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luca_	(I never tried to build my package for i386)	12:23
freemangordon	luca_: try it then, just switch the target	12:24
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luca_	freemangordon: change the target where?	12:30
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freemangordon	luca_: in scratchbox	12:34
luca_	freemangordon: but if dpkg-genchanges don't generate the debian/files file I'm screwed, what can I do about it? :S	12:34
* freemangordon expects luca_ is using scratchbox		12:35
freemangordon	luca_: run "sb-menu" and select FREMANTLE_X86 target	12:36
luca_	freemangordon: I am, but I setted it up a long time ago and don't remember how to change the arch, I'll refresh my memory :)	12:36
luca_	freemangordon: ok, that was easier than start googleing :P	12:36
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luca_	ok, it wasn't that easy, is asking a lot of stuff and ask me to install some rootstrap	12:38
freemangordon	what?	12:38
freemangordon	no, don't do that	12:38
freemangordon	use "select target" from the menu	12:39
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luca_	yeah, I think I selected the wrong option, setup instead of select	12:39
luca_	I switched now, building	12:39
freemangordon	:)	12:39
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luca_	worked locally (dpkg-buidpackage	12:42
luca_	)	12:42
luca_	how can I convince the builder that this should work? :P	12:43
luca_	and why is i386 being built at all?	12:43
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qwazix	freemangordon, vi_, please see http://wiki.maemo.org/Smartreflex	12:47
teotwaki	fuck fuck fuck a doodle doo.	12:51
teotwaki	Why is it that the best libraries are bloody GPL, or 10 grant.	12:51
teotwaki	s/ant/and/	12:51
infobot	teotwaki meant: Why is it that the best libraries are bloody GPL, or 10 grand.	12:51
* teotwaki is seriously considering hacking a GPL-circumvention mechanism into his project.		12:52
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jonwil	what library do you need?	12:52
teotwaki	ODB>	12:52
teotwaki	s/>//	12:52
infobot	teotwaki meant: ODB	12:53
qwazix	gtg, low battery	12:55
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teotwaki	My project is a C++ application server, which is defined by the modules it loads. By default, it doesn't provide anything, except for the ability to load components.	12:55
teotwaki	I think that I'm going to add the feature that if the module that is being loaded is GPL, it is spawned into its own process/context (or sent to the GPL-enabled context for loading). IPC is done over ZMQ, so there is no tainting involved.	12:56
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luca_	freemangordon: ok, I'll start the update, I have installed KP 51r1 but uname just says 2.6.28.10-power51, is that ok or even when I have installed the r1 kernel is not the one being booted?	12:59
luca_	I guess from the date in uname (Jul 23) it is r1	12:59
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* jonwil wonders if there is anyone in the community who has any interest in rewriting the wl1251 driver to not use netlink		13:02
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luca_	freemangordon: I'm upgrading from the stable cssu and I don't see any Community SSU icon on the applications menu, is that ok?	13:19
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luca_	kerio: maybe you know? should I proceed with the update even if the Community SSU icon is not present in the applications menu?	13:42
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luca_	freemangordon: ping?	14:13
jonwil	ok, I am going to go out and buy some supplies for tonights all-night Maemo hacking and IRC-chatting session, I need some caffeine for this task :)	14:18
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narcos	Hi all - what's the best way to go about installing rsync on my n900?	14:27
narcos	(given it's rooted etc)	14:27
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narcos	I found this - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rsync/	14:27
narcos	But I'm unsure of what to do with that file	14:27
narcos	I figure I should be looking for a .deb?	14:27
LaoLang_cool	How big does size of maemo source have?	14:28
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vi_	narcos: It should be available from the repositories.	14:32
vi_	Just apt-get it.	14:32
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narcos	vi_: Nokia-N900:~# apt-get install rsync	14:34
narcos	E: Couldn't find package rsync	14:34
narcos	vi_: Where do I see a list of repos configured for my device?	14:34
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narcos	vi_: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ka8HvGLF	14:36
narcos	(or anyone else who feels like helping :) )	14:36
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narcos	I see rsync listed in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages	14:40
narcos	and according to my paste of repos above I think that should be included....?	14:40
narcos	I guess I could dpkg install http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/r/rsync/rsync_3.0.4-3maemo3_armel.deb	14:42
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narcos	Hmm	14:49
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narcos	My friend with an N900 can apt-get install rsync. WTF have I done to mine.	14:58
narcos	After doing a dpkg -i of the above .deb file, and trying rsync, I get the error:	14:59
narcos	sh: rsync: not found	14:59
narcos	rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender]	14:59
narcos	rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(632) [sender=3.0.4]	14:59
narcos	(but I can ssh to the box I want to rsync to)	15:00
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ruskie	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/02/interdigital_nokia_patent_spat_revived/ <-- hmm	15:03
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narcos	Hmm - when I start the GUI package manager and select 'Download' I get the error "Application list partially refreshed. Some catalogues unavailable. Check catalogue details"	15:05
jonwil	ok, caffeine acquired. Time to start on my all-night Maemo-hacking-and-IRC-chatting session	15:07
freemangordon	:)	15:08
vi_	narcos: 1. install fapman	15:11
vi_	narcos: 2. Enable 'extras repository' (google it)	15:12
vi_	narcos: 3. start fapman, install rsync	15:12
narcos	vi_: I think I already have the extras repo - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ka8HvGLF	15:13
narcos	So, it seems I can't apt-get install anything	15:14
vi_	what is the result of apt-cache search rsync?	15:15
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vi_	Possibly rsync is in extras-devel	15:16
vi_	enable extras-devel and try apt-get install rsyn again.	15:16
jonwil	hmmm, now I gotta decide what which N900 thing to work on next	15:16
narcos	vi_: No results for apt-cache search rsync	15:16
vi_	narcos: enable extras-devel	15:17
freemangordon	jonwil: recently I started to RE vkbrenderer.so	15:17
* vi_ munch crunch		15:17
jonwil	anything interesting?	15:18
freemangordon	jonwil: there is x86 version in SB, hexrays decompiled looks possible to RE	15:18
jonwil	yes that I know	15:19
freemangordon	though I didn't get much further, lack of time, you know	15:19
jonwil	ok	15:19
freemangordon	nothing new actually.	15:20
narcos	vi_: I'm Googling but not finding - how I do I go about adding extras-devel?	15:21
kerio	luca_: no, i started from a cssu-testing install	15:22
vi_	narcos: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free	15:25
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jonwil	Thinking about whether to do wl1251 stuff, icd-wlan stuff, systemui stuff or something else...	15:27
kerio	jonwil: yes!	15:28
jonwil	not sure which of those items I should do...	15:29
narcos	vi_: Hmm, running and 'apt-get update' seems to have sorted everything out.	15:29
vi_	jonwil: systemui	15:29
vi_	nobody seems to have any clue how that works.	15:30
vi_	narcos: good	15:30
narcos	i.e. I can how apt-get install rsync (without adding the extras devel)	15:30
jonwil	hmmm, well I did document parts of the systemui for the touchscreen/keypad lock	15:30
jonwil	i.e. the side flick button	15:30
jonwil	not sure where I can go from there	15:30
vi_	hmmmm	15:31
vi_	perhaps you could hack the gibson?	15:31
jonwil	:P	15:31
vi_	or somthing a little larger maybe?	15:31
vi_	The planet for example.	15:32
jonwil	I was planning to do N900 stuff only :P	15:33
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jonwil	ok, so what N900 work should I do then? :P	15:35
freemangordon	jonwil: mce? :P	15:36
jonwil	I already gave up on MCE	15:37
jonwil	its too complex :P	15:37
jonwil	I could do wl1251 stuff or icd-wlan stuff or connectivity	15:38
jonwil	connectivity UI stuff	15:38
freemangordon	wwll, why not, after all no matter what it is, it is one less closed source piece	15:38
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groszek	hi. is there any working sharing plugin for imgur (or other good image hosting)? the obvious one http://maemo.org/packages/view/imgur/ always fails to upload ...	15:42
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c3sso	hello	16:06
c3sso	I am trying to copy root filesystem to mmc	16:06
c3sso	anyone here to guide me trough?	16:07
c3sso	I followed http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=444600&postcount=45 from fanoush, but ot won't boot up..	16:08
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c3sso	hello, am trying to copy root filesystem to mmc, according to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=444600&postcount=45	16:35
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c3sso	anyone has experience with that?	16:35
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kerio	~m32g	16:36
kerio	no, wait	16:36
kerio	~m32gb	16:36
infobot	i guess m32gb is https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_M32GB	16:36
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kerio	^ that	16:36
kerio	also bug Pali for details	16:36
Pali	c3sso, see M32GB	16:38
Pali	copy files from bzr repository to n900	16:38
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c3sso	ok	16:39
kerio	Pali: can i untar a backupmenu backup instead of copying stuff?	16:39
Pali	and call ./M32GBinit.sh and then ./M32GBboot.sh	16:39
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kerio	Pali: it kinda sucks that you have to make sure to always boot on the secondary bootmenu entry, though	16:40
Pali	kerio, I do not know what backupmenu doing...	16:40
kerio	Pali: just tar	16:40
kerio	:)	16:40
c3sso	ok, I will try, thx	16:40
kerio	rootfs in a file, optfs in another	16:40
kerio	Pali: do you reckon there's a way to simply move /usr/ away from the rootfs, instead of having to boot the whole system from mmc?	16:42
Pali	/usr/ must be on rootfs	16:42
kerio	why? :c	16:42
Pali	because maemo use udev too	16:42
Pali	udev needs /usr/lib mounted	16:43
kerio	you don't need udev to mount /usr/	16:43
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Pali	but you need udev in maemo	16:44
kerio	you just need the device file for mmcblk0p1	16:44
Pali	without udev maemo is not working	16:44
kerio	Pali: sure, so launch it after you mount /usr/	16:44
Pali	and without /usr/lib udev is not working	16:44
kerio	i mean, i realize that it has to be done really ealry	16:44
kerio	early	16:44
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kerio	Pali: the thing is, the whole root on emmc requires a lot of changes in the boot process	16:45
Pali	you can move maemo to eMMC/SD card, then patch kernel to boot from mmcblkX and you will not use mtd rootfs	16:45
kerio	you need to boot with a different bootmenu entry, for instance	16:45
c3sso	my sdcard is 2x 4gb ext2 partitions, is that ok?	16:46
kerio	Pali: meh, maemo sucks :c	16:47
Pali	c3sso, that scripts copy maemo system to /home/maemo5	16:47
Pali	to eMMC not to SD card	16:47
Pali	but you can modify it for SD card	16:47
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Pali	you need to patch genfstab (that which generate /etc/fstab) to have some /home and /opt entires	16:48
kerio	Pali: can't you use a different /home and /opt?	16:48
kerio	(and copy those too, ofc)	16:49
Pali	and you need to patch rcS-late to not try rootfs / opt / home from eMMC	16:49
Pali	I do not remember what was needed to patch	16:49
Pali	but M32GB scripts for eMMC working	16:49
kerio	Pali: by the way, your script doesn't disable the various optifications	16:51
kerio	is that intended?	16:51
kerio	(apart from the libraries)	16:51
Pali	it copy also /opt it is ok	16:51
Pali	it mount bind /opt	16:51
kerio	Pali: if i wanted to do something like that, i'd keep the systems completely separate, actually	16:52
kerio	so maemo5/home and maemo5/opt would just be directories	16:52
Pali	ther is mount bind /home/opt /opt	16:56
kerio	Pali: yeah	16:56
kerio	but if i decided to put the rootfs on emmc, i wouldn't enable that	16:56
kerio	i would make my own /opt	16:56
kerio	i mean, a new /opt	16:56
kerio	and a new /home too	16:57
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kerio	so the original system would be left untouched, apart from kernel modules and bootmenu+bootmenu entries	16:57
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kerio	so there would be no confusion if i accidentally booted off the standard system	16:57
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c3sso	as long as my n900 works again - my flash memory is corrupted...	16:59
c3sso	but I am now using the n900 of a friend to get a working rootfs	16:59
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c3sso	now I wanted to copy that to sd	17:00
c3sso	but internal eMMC is ok, too	17:00
c3sso	can I just copy over /home/maemo5?	17:01
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DocScrutinizer05	keep in mind there's some weird limitation of number of partitions kernel can handle on mmc	17:01
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: it's the same amount of partitions	17:01
kerio	c3sso: sure, how are you accessing the emmc?	17:02
DocScrutinizer05	total number of partitions I guess that is	17:02
kerio	bootmenu has usb mass storage support i think	17:02
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DocScrutinizer05	the mmc driver has to detect all partitions on a mmc, so you could mount mmcblk1p14 which you actually can't afaik	17:03
DocScrutinizer05	I think 8 partitions is max	17:03
c3sso	I can boot my n900 when I reflash it, so I can get the /home/maemo from the one of my friend via network I suppose	17:04
kerio	...so why do you think the flash memory is corrupted?	17:04
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c3sso	I get io errors, afer second boot, the icons are gone etc	17:06
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kerio	eeew :(	17:08
kerio	sorry for you	17:08
kerio	anyway, if you have a properly working n900, use that as the basis of your new system	17:08
DocScrutinizer05	damn reconnects	17:08
kerio	i would use backupmenu, anyway	17:08
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: <c3sso> I get io errors, afer second boot, the icons are gone etc	17:08
DocScrutinizer05	aaah that one	17:09
DocScrutinizer05	I remember	17:09
kerio	c3sso: you're assuming that the emmc works fine	17:09
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c3sso	well, it seems so, at least I could to my backups	17:10
DocScrutinizer05	I heard of a few broken/borked eMMC, never heard of a broken NAND so far	17:10
c3sso	well I also did not find much	17:11
DocScrutinizer05	btw what became of our deliberate unvoluntary NANDtester guinea pig?	17:11
DocScrutinizer05	he ever came back reporting if CAL can get restored?	17:12
c3sso	having everything on sd card would be the way I wanted to go... but fanoush's method did not work out, it simply did not boot...	17:13
DocScrutinizer05	well, you basically can't boot from uSD card (afaik) you at very least need a uBoot in /dev/mtd0	17:14
DocScrutinizer05	kernel partition of NAND	17:14
c3sso	I followed http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=444600&postcount=45	17:14
c3sso	with bootmenu ..	17:14
DocScrutinizer05	so from there you could switch to uSD aka mmcblk0(!) and fetch kernel and rootfs from there	17:15
DocScrutinizer05	bootmenu runs in maemo rootfs userland	17:15
vi_	DocScrutinizer05: !	17:16
DocScrutinizer05	it gets invoked after kernel got loaded and init started and /sbin/preinit executed	17:16
DocScrutinizer05	vi_: ???	17:16
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c3sso	oh well .. It seems I am a bit undereducated in kernel and boot issues...	17:18
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DocScrutinizer05	c3sso: that's what I thought as well, from your descriptions (no offense intended)	17:21
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DocScrutinizer05	alas I'm terribly in a hurry, but nevertheless I suggest you get help here from experienced users like vi_ jacekowski ShadowJK etc, and you re-evaluate your problem first, only THEN project a solution	17:22
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DocScrutinizer05	honestly to me that (breaks on second boot) sounds like your auto-optification fails	17:28
DocScrutinizer05	which means the basic problem is with your eMMC, not NAND	17:28
phoohb	I wanto pull the source of packages, this one have worked before: "apt-get source package_name"	17:29
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phoohb	Do I need to fill in the deb-src list by hand, or what?	17:29
phoohb	that, or git, or brake the phone. any hint, whats most amusing?	17:33
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phoohb	Hello world!	17:34
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phoohb	Made a post on the forum.	17:45
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jonwil	hmm, I would continue with my wl1251-cal work but as of now no-one else seems to be interested in it. There is little point in reverse engineering this if no-one else will actually do anything with it beyond maybe throwing it into CSSU.	17:49
narcos	Has anyone played around with python-location? (http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API)	17:50
narcos	Running the sample script I get terrible accuracy	17:50
phoohb	I wanto rewrite the fmradio (so I can use a bug outside ordinary fm range)	17:51
narcos	i.e. off by 1000kms	17:51
vi_	DocScrutinizer05: Remember your pledge to the zeq developer device?	17:51
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kolp	seeing that the N900's phone app is closed source... Are there any unsurmountable obstacles in rewriting it?	18:04
kolp	I guess incoming calls might be difficult?	18:05
kolp	Just curious... .)	18:05
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narcos	Hmm, horizontal accuracy of NaN.	18:11
narcos	Why aren't you working mr gps	18:11
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teotwaki	tell him to Get Real?	18:12
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narcos	LOL	18:14
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kerio	narcos: gpsrecorder?	18:17
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narcos	kerio: apt-gettin' :)	18:21
kerio	it's really neat, it even updates your time	18:21
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narcos	Dang, bad day for tech.	18:30
narcos	kerio: Sorry my connection timed out - in case you replied I didn't get it	18:30
kerio	<kerio> it's really neat, it even updates your time	18:31
narcos	k ta	18:34
narcos	My GPS seems borked - it doesn't give any results in this app either	18:34
narcos	"Status: Stopped, Acquiring".	18:35
narcos	I assumed in the GUI version, if the CELL button appears black, it means selected, and it's therefore not only relying on satelites, but also assisted GPS.	18:36
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narcos	Hmm @ https://troshlyak.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/fixing-n900-gps-locking/	18:39
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vi_	narcos: if your time is wrong, or you have not used the GPS for a long time it can take ages to lock.	18:44
vi_	In all my n900 ownership time it has only taken a really long time once and that was like 10 minutes.	18:45
narcos	vi_: I've never used the GPS before. I know that if you only use satelites it can take minutes to lock (50 bits per seconds is slooooww), but the point of assisted GPS (supl) is that it should get a fix instantly :(	18:46
narcos	vi_: How's your satellite reception inside..?	18:47
narcos	Maybe I should leave it on the roof and go out for dinner.	18:47
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narcos	Odd how running tcpdump filtering for supl.google.com I don't see traffic.	18:49
narcos	It's not even trying.	18:49
narcos	Work with me mr n900.	18:49
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joga	for me I feel that when I got the n900 it got a gps fix very quickly, but now it seems to take forever sometimes	18:56
narcos	joga: I've read a lot of complaints about that over the last 30 mins. Try changing your supl server in the GPS settings to supl.google.com	18:58
narcos	joga: It seems to work for most people	18:59
narcos	Alas not for me.	18:59
narcos	joga: With any GPS device, only using satellites will take a long time to fix - the data rate is super slow.	18:59
joga	ye	18:59
joga	I'll try that..	18:59
narcos	joga: But with assisted GPS (A-GPS) we can get a super fast fix. That's what that supl thing is about.	19:00
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narcos	Secure User Plane Location	19:00
joga	narcos yeah, I'm aware, it's just that it doesn't seem to use it properly or something, but maybe it's a problem with supl.nokia.com?	19:00
joga	anyway, I switched it to google's, I'll see if it helps the next time I go out	19:01
joga	thanks	19:01
narcos	Yeah I suspect so.	19:01
narcos	Doesn't seem to help me though.	19:01
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narcos	Interesting - on the reboot I see traffic going to supl.google.com in tcpdump, but still can't get a damn location.	19:12
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narcos	Too bad it's encrypted.	19:18
zeq	narcos: make sure your clock is accurate	19:20
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narcos	zeq: Yeah it's accurate - and I suspect set by the cell network	19:27
narcos	Been waiting for 20 mins now for a fix...	19:27
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narcos	Right - laptop battery is almost out - gotta run. Thanks for the help all. Catch you later.	19:38
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Tofe	Hello !	19:48
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RiD	now we got two bots?	19:58
RiD	~povbot	19:58
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Tofe	Does someone know of some code using dbus in an hildon plugin wich registers to signals on the session bus ?	20:19
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kerio	how do i set the wifi region?	20:25
kerio	it thinks i'm in the us	20:25
kerio	but i'm noy	20:25
kerio	*"95	20:25
kerio	wtf	20:25
kerio	*not	20:26
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zeq	kerio: it should get discovered automatically from RAs I think	20:28
zeq	kerio: Apparently I've got IPv6 on the brain, I mean AP announces	20:31
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Tofe	Actually, in all the results I got from google, people couldn't make it work when they tried. One tip was to use hd_status_plugin_item_get_dbus_g_connection, but really, when we see the implementation of that function, it doesn't do much more than a basic dbus_g_bus_get... So, it may just be that it does not work at all with the session bus in an hildon plugin. However, I don't see why it would be so.	20:36
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kerio	...let's say i feel like a weeaboo and want to pretend i'm in japan...	20:42
kerio	how would i achieve that, wrt wifi region?	20:42
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bonehead	hi	20:50
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vi__	jonwil: ping	21:56
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jonwil	hi	22:12
vi__	jonwil: how is the hacking frenzy proceeding?	22:15
jonwil	haven't done any, cant find anything actually worth doing	22:16
jonwil	i.e. that others will care abiut	22:16
javispedro	hey jonwil	22:18
jonwil	hi	22:18
javispedro	maybe you could give a look to some apt-X encoder/decoder binaries I have around here ;)	22:18
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javispedro	but RE'ing a codec is hell, even if it's mostly pumped-on ADPCM	22:22
jonwil	heh yeah codecs are annoying	22:23
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bonehead	hello	22:54
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vi__	bonehead: hello	23:21
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DocScrutinizer05	vi__: I missed your answer re zeq's device	23:42
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DocScrutinizer05	please toss an URL, I won't search tmo for any particular thread	23:42
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