IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-07-22

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zeqfreemangordon: just learnt of "about:support"00:15
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freemangordonanything helpful here?00:16
zequsefully it shows crash info (supposedly) and it confirmed for me I'm not using hw accel00:17
kerioin microB?00:19
keriono kidding00:19
zeqkerio: fennec00:19
kerioeven worse!00:19
zeqkerio: surely hw accel would be a good thing? :)00:20
kerioyeah, but i don't expect that to work on a linux desktop00:20
keriolet alone the n90000:20
zeqromaxa has had it working (so he says) with ~60fps page rendering00:21
zeqthat was a while ago and the patches need reworking I believe00:22
freemangordonzeq: I was thinking... isn't it better to use some older and stable version.00:22
freemangordoni.e 14 or 1500:22
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freemangordon]16 gets worse with every nightly00:23
zeqfreemangordon: yes, and no.  we're more likely going to get help from romaxa getting support mainlined with mozilla-central... but I think it might be worth taking a dual approach00:23
freemangordonI think we can alwasy backort whatever romaxa do00:24
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zeqfreemangordon: I have to say, I'm a bit surprised about the amount of churn, things applied then reverted hours later...00:25
freemangordonzeq: do you remember when fennec was fast? I mean around what date, so we can do bisect easy00:25
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zeqI suggest you look in the irc log for your previous sunspider results00:26
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freemangordonhmm, I think it was around 9 or 10 of July, lemme check00:27
zeqfreemangordon: I don't remember the plugin-container taking up more memory than the main process when we started00:28
zeqfreemangordon: we need romaxa to pass on his hw accel patchset and work from whatever the latest release that applies to00:30
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zeqfreemangordon: that was @600Mhz?00:36
freemangordoni think so, not sure00:36
zeqfwiw they seem to have fixed that https google problem now00:37
freemangordonbut it does not matter if it is 600 or 80500:37
zeqand page-loading is faster than before00:37
freemangordonhmm, i'll need to backport the fix to microb :D00:37
keriofreemangordon: but only your thumb-compiled one!00:38
keriovendor lockdown, baby!00:38
zeqfreemangordon: how similar is the mozilla codebase to microb-engine?00:38
zeqapart from the lower sunspider score, my current fennec build isn't too bad.  most serious bug I've found is when attempting to use hw accel crashes it, I have to nuke ~/.mozilla/fennec to get it to start-up again without crashing!00:40
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zeqfreemangordon: are you going to rebase on a commit from that date and test?00:42
freemangordonkerio: it works in non-thumb microb afaik, at least that is what was reported, didn't tried it myself00:42
zeqfeel free to push it to a new branch on github00:43
freemangordonzeq: I am still wondering what to do, but first I will wait for current build to finish00:43
zeqmay as well keep tracking mozilla-central on master00:43
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freemangordonzeq: WTF? virtual keyboard does not pop up when address bar is clicked00:45
freemangordonthat was working, for sure00:45
zeqlet me check00:45
freemangordonaah, my fault00:46
freemangordonit's my second n900 with "use virtual keyboard" disabled00:46
zeqwe still need to rip out all that keyboard handling code00:46
zeqgoing to let the dog in the garden brb00:48
freemangordonzeq: debian/fennec//opt/fennec-17.0a100:48
freemangordonthis is fennec 17, LOL00:48
zeqthey don't hang around! :P00:48
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DocScrutinizer05what the heck jollamobile quite since almost 6 hours00:57
DocScrutinizer05actually *almost* since 24 hours00:57
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SpeedEvilWeekend secret meeting.01:00
DocScrutinizer05:nod: probably even close to truth01:00
DocScrutinizer05they have private channels01:00
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DocScrutinizer05but the missing noise from eventual lurkers is quite scary01:01
ShadowJKwhat, is there a channel?01:02
DocScrutinizer05esp since yesteray morning the TV news opened with "Nokia made another 1.1 E9 EUR minus in last quartal"01:02
FIQ|n900#jollamobile ?01:02
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, amusingly analysts took that as positive news, nokia stock went up like 18% or something crazy01:02
DocScrutinizer05yeah ROTFL01:02
ShadowJKThere's some sliver of truth in that, the costs of downsizing are pretty extreme, but one-time in nature01:03
DocScrutinizer05cought 18 bullets but still alive. I put all my money on the bloody guy on the floor01:03
ShadowJKLike, Jolla itself allegedly is mostly funded by Nokia at this point?01:03
DocScrutinizer05I doubt that01:04
ShadowJKFor sure they have received seed capital01:04
SpeedEvilContractual commitments to me ego?01:04
DocScrutinizer05though, you never know01:04
SpeedEvilOr seed capital from redundancies?01:04
SpeedEvilI guess not public.01:05
ShadowJKAccording to .fi newspaper reporting, Jolla cam out of the "incubator program" that Nokia had to setup, to support former employees setting up new companies01:05
DocScrutinizer05what are a few dozen mio if you can pay 1.1 bio per 3 months from your coffe stash01:05
DocScrutinizer05but honestly I guess there are other VC entities involved01:06
ShadowJKI wonder how much money do you need to gave foxconn or someone make 50,000 devices01:07
DocScrutinizer05and that "incubator program" was about as much as "you get fired in 6 month, but you can take some time off right now" afaik01:07
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: easy: 50,000 * sales/301:07
zeqDocScrutinizer05: funniest thing with the positve reaction to the financial report, was of the smartphones shipped, most were NOT WP701:08
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that too01:08
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DocScrutinizer05zeq: probably the reason for the +18%01:08
ShadowJKWP7 sales did double, and they said "sales" this time, not "shipped"01:09
DocScrutinizer05from 1000 to 2000?01:09
ShadowJKAnd they said they were late to WP7 party, but have front row seats at WP8 party01:09
zeqsales to AT&T warehouses?01:09
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FIQ|n900nokia should've realized that the wp-train was a bad idea01:10
FIQ|n900oh... duh, it's elop01:10
zeqDocScrutinizer05: fixed jollamobile for you ;)01:11
freemangordonzeq: https google still gives certificate error, probably you have tls disable in about:config01:13
zeqfreemangordon: must be fixed by my toolchain...?01:14
freemangordonseems toolchain related, time to switch to yours :)01:14
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zeqfreemangordon: note though you'll need to rebuild qt4 with the gcc47 patch to build against it, including fennec01:15
freemangordonwhy i should rebuild qt?01:16
zeqand qt4 won't itself build with 4.7 currently, not a huge problem though01:16
freemangordonzeq: for what eason i need to rebuild qt with gcc 4.701:17
zeqthere's a header with a bug01:17
zeqyou could just change the header I guess01:17
zeqto me that's even worse ;)01:17
freemangordonand what version is yours 4.6? 4.6.3?01:18
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zeqI built fennec with 4.701:19
freemangordonI know01:19
freemangordonbut you said you built 4.6.x too01:19
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freemangordonthe toolchain i mean01:19
zeqI have build linaro-4.6-2012.7 and linaro-4.7-2012.701:19
infobotzeq meant: I have built linaro-4.6-2012.7 and linaro-4.7-2012.701:19
freemangordondoes fennec builds with 4.6 without your patches?01:19
zeqshould do01:20
zeqhaven't tried01:20
freemangordonwell, maybe i should use that then01:20
zeqwas more interested in testing 4.7 :)01:20
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freemangordoncould you try to build fennec with your 4.6 to see of google https error is there?01:20
freemangordonzeq: I know01:20
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zeqok, but it will take a while...01:21
freemangordonzeq: no hurry01:21
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zeqI really kicked things off over at #jollamobile01:22
* zeq trolls well :P01:22
freemangordonzeq: but we deffinitely should should stick to some version around 4-10 july, the current has HUGE memory consumtion and is slow as hell01:23
freemangordonsonspider: 8920 ms01:23
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freemangordonzeq: seems gcc 4.7 saves about 300ms01:25
zeqnot bad really, didn't expect much difference from the JIT01:28
zeqWhere I expected to see most improvement was page layout01:29
zeqvery visible for a start ;)01:32
zeqit's also native code rather than JS (right?)01:33
freemangordonyeah, sounds sane01:33
freemangordonanyway, it is late for today, but I will try to do git bisect tomorrow01:34
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freemangordonzeq: it is strange there is nor release for 16a1 is not released:
freemangordonI told you it is late here :D:D:D01:36
zeqI'll push my gcc47 build fixes for fennec, then get started on the linaro-4.6 fennec build01:36
freemangordonzeq: it is strange that 16a1 is not released:
zeqdon't see 15 there either?01:38
freemangordonthere is 15b101:38
zeqah ok01:38
zeqaurora maybe?01:39
freemangordonbut seems latest not in alpha or beta is 1301:39
zeqthere is is :) ^01:39
zeqit is*01:39
freemangordonbut "Download Firefox Aurora in your language to experience the newest features and innovations in an unstable environment even before they go to Beta"01:40
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freemangordon14.01 is the latest release according to
freemangordonand it is released on 17 jul01:42
freemangordoni think that is a good candidate01:42
freemangordonb7 was performing pretty well01:42
zeqis there a tag in the git repo?01:43
freemangordonhmm, lemme try to checkout01:43
zeqfreemangordon: I'm keeping the gf awake, going to have to sign-off...01:43
zeqnight all! :)01:44
* zeq waves01:44
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jogahmm, that was unexpected, I ran unnethack a few times and once I quit it at some point with ctrl-c or something and it left my terminal colours like they're in-game10:58
joganow new terminals have those colors set, I also tried to reboot but didn't matter10:59
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joganot a big deal since I already changed them back but I was sort of surprised it somehow changed the colors "globally"10:59
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freemangordonzeq: tag FIREFOX_AURORA_16_BASE gives around 8000ms on sunspider, better than last, but worse than 4th of July version,  going to bisect.13:19
zeqfreemangordon: good luck!13:20
freemangordonyeah, thanks :). I ahve a bad feeling it is not only one commit :(13:22
zeqfreemangordon: can you keep an eye on how much memory plugin-containers sucks up?13:22
infobotzeq meant: freemangordon: can you keep an eye on how much memory plugin-container sucks up?13:22
freemangordonzeq: yeah, I saw it uses much more memory than befor13:23
zeq55Mb or so I'm getting typically13:23
zeqthat's a lot of RAM on the N90013:24
freemangordonwhich build?13:24
zeqit's been that way for at least the last couple of weeks13:24
freemangordonhmm, yeah, not good13:24
freemangordonbut with HW accel it uses half of that13:24
zeqI'm not sure if it was always that way, and just didn't notice..?13:25
zeqmaybe not plugin spawned?13:25
infobotzeq meant: maybe no plugin spawned?13:25
freemangordonboth fennec and plugin-contaiiner use less memory when egl accel is enabled13:25
zeqhave you got egl accel working then???13:25
zeqwhat does about:support say?13:25
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freemangordonzeq: it was working all the time(if turned on through about:config), but stutters and segfaults from time to time13:26
freemangordonzeq: goto about:config and type layers13:27
zeqI get the segfaults, too soon to test.  I was getting the black screen you saw before that.  That seems to be fixed now.13:27
freemangordonthere you should turn accel.disabled to false and force_enabled to true13:27
freemangordonyou may want to turn draw_fps on13:28
zeqfreemangordon: it didn't seem to actually turn on until restarting though... I'll try it again13:28
freemangordonyeah, you need to restart fennec13:28
zeqstarting up with egl accel...13:29
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freemangordonzeq: hmm, that is strange, it works here for a minite or two befor BOOM13:30
zeqit started, then I tried to use it...13:30
freemangordonmaybe you should reboot your device first, sometimes SGX is left in a bad state13:30
freemangordonaah, so it started13:30
zeqprobably is now :P13:30
zeqfreemangordon: Have you managed to get hold of romaxa?13:31
freemangordonno :(13:31
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zeqI'm going to be busy doing housework today, if you get hold of him and can get the tree/patches for making accel work can you send me an email or something and I'll get on-line?13:33
freemangordonzeq: ok, I'll try13:33
zeqI'll stay logged in, but I'll be afk.13:34
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zeqfreemangordon: I've pushed a fix for gcc-4.7 build.  It's just a missing #include <unistd.h >.13:36
zeqIt's all that's needed along with the qt patch.13:37
zeq(the qt gcc-4.7 patch is in the same place as the toolchains)13:37
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freemangordonzeq: did you try if google https certificate error is still there with linaro gcc 4.6?13:45
zeqI had to stop last night under orders ;)13:45
zeqI'm about to start the build off now13:45
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zeqI've also pushed a patch to build the sqlite3 module with -fno-fast-math, -ffast-math is very advantageous with NEON particuarly with -ftree-vectorize enabled, as long as it doesn't break anything!13:52
freemangordonanyone tried SGX driver from Neno on Fremantle?13:52
zeq(it's known to break sqlite3)13:52
zeqfreemangordon: I think that would be a good idea :)13:53
freemangordonhmm, let me try to find stskeeps on #harmattan13:54
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freemangordon~seen stskeeps13:54
infobotstskeeps is currently on #meego (5h 12m 44s), last said: '2no'.13:54
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zeqfreemangordon: probably sleeping :)13:55
zeqis he in the US?13:55
freemangordonno, he is in poland afaik13:56
zeqmaybe having a lay in? :P13:56
freemangordonyeah, could be13:56
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zeqbuild is underway (default optimization flags)13:57
zeqfreemangordon: or should I have used the same flags as I used for gcc47?13:58
freemangordonzeq: NFC :D13:58
zeqfreemangordon: it's just that we know the google cert works with the combination of gcc47 and the flags I used, we know nothing else ;)13:59
zeqI guess it doesn't matter, test one thing at a time...13:59
lufzeq: good start point with this idea.14:00
zeqfreemangordon: I don't know if you noticed but the new toolchains are much smaller than my last builds due to only using the Maemo C libs etc rather than the SB versions.14:01
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zeq-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 225862049 Jun 25 11:31 linaro-4.7-2012.06-fremantle-armv7a.tar.bz214:01
zeq-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 171826196 Jul 21 16:30 linaro-4.7-2012.07-fremantle-armv7a.tar.bz214:01
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Sihederciao all15:25
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zeqfreemangordon: "Secure Connection Failed"16:11
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zeqfreemangordon: going to try with the same opt flags as I used for gcc47.16:11
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zeqfreemangordon: 4.6 wouldn't build with LTO, so I'm making the flags as close as posible to those I used for gcc47.16:58
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freemangordonzeq: ok. BTW "Bisecting: 76 revisions left to test after this (roughly 6 steps)" :D17:12
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zeqfreemangordon: your bisect isn't going to finish before tomorrow is it? (unless you get lucky)18:02
jonwil~seen pali18:02
infobotpali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 24m 10s ago, saying: 'jonwil, DocScrutinizer05, see ^^^^'.18:03
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freemangordonzeq: yeah, seems so :(18:14
freemangordonBisecting: 38 revisions left to test after this (roughly 5 steps)18:14
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* jonwil wishes there was a way to find out all the values that are valid under /system/osso/connectivity/IAP :(18:22
jonwilgconf that is18:23
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SpeedEvilAnd set!18:23
lufjonwil: read the schema?18:24
jonwilthere is no schema that I can find that includes some of the things I know are valid18:25
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KiborgCould somebody take some time to help me?18:28
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KiborgI think I need to reflash my n900 but I am unable to.18:28
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jonwilthe only reference to the wlan_security key that isn't in an ELF binary is in the actual current gconf tree18:29
jonwilthere is no schema or anything that defines the existence of wlan_security except for the binaries that create it18:30
jonwilkiborg: why do you think you need to reflash your N900?18:30
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KiborgIt is constantly restarting18:32
Kiborgif I turn it on it stays on for about 2 min and than it restarts.18:32
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lufjonwil: It's pity. But it's usual with closed source. Have you tried google?18:37
jonwilGoogle doesn't help18:38
jonwilI doubt anyone else outside of Nokia really has bothered to do much with this key except for a couple very specific useful fields18:38
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lufjonwil: maybe this field isn't important for UI.18:40
jonwilI need to know all the valid fields so I can identify what, if any, other parts of the system (other than icd2 and related bits that is) use these fields18:41
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jonwilso that any future ICD2 replacement is 100% compatible with the rest of the system18:42
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KiborgI tried to reflash the system to get the n900 to work but I can't reflash it.18:46
jonwilwhat happens when you try to reflash?18:46
KiborgReflasher just opens and closes. Instantly.18:46
KiborgI might be doing somethin wrong18:46
KiborgIf anybody has any idea how to get the data (adress book) off before I would be grateful.18:48
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jonwildepending on whats wrong, you might be able to get away with just flashing the main filesystem (which has the operating system on it) and not flashing the user filesystem (with all the data on it like the address book)18:49
jonwilare you trying to flash on Winfows or Linux?18:50
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KiborgI can do both18:53
KiborgWhich is better?18:53
KiborgI am on win now18:54
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jonwilthe flasher has to be run as a command line18:54
jonwilthats why when you open it, it just disappears without doing anything18:55
Kiborgso I open cmd18:56
jonwildo you have the firmware to flash?18:57
lufjonwil: another possible way is to implement as close as possible and then maybe you'll see that the field isn't used.18:57
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lufjonwil: btw I think there is some gconf monitor which can show you what read/write the field.18:57
Kiborgso how do I start the flasher from cmd? I haven't done that in years...18:59
jonwilI dont know for windows exactly18:59
jonwilbeen a while since I have used the flasher and that was on Linux18:59
KiborgShould I just switch to Linux?19:00
jonwilI wont be able to help you there either19:00
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jonwilhmmm, this19:01
jonwilmight help you out19:01
DocScrutinizer05Kiborg: yes19:01
DocScrutinizer05Kiborg: the windows flasher is terra incognita to several of us here19:03
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DocScrutinizer05and so is fixing issues on windows in general19:03
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Kiborgi am on step 619:04
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Kiborgnothing is happening the screen says nokia and i19:05
jonwilI suspect the Windows flasher was written more as an afterthought because Nokia needed Windows flashing code19:05
KiborgI am holding u key19:05
Kiborglooks like nothing...19:06
DocScrutinizer05and particularly
DocScrutinizer05Kiborg: please use your Nokia wallwart fastcharger, power down N900, plug in fastcharger while holding 'u' key19:07
DocScrutinizer05Kiborg: does it show "NOKIA" screen wit USB icon upper right?19:08
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KiborgAnd the flasher is giving me options...19:12
Kiborga lot of them19:12
DocScrutinizer05Kiborg: does it show "NOKIA" screen wit USB icon upper right? Does it stay on that screen?19:13
KiborgYes it does.19:14
DocScrutinizer05please shut down N90019:14
Kiborgshould I unplug first?19:15
DocScrutinizer05paste your flasher command here for review19:15
DocScrutinizer05yes, unplug19:15
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DocScrutinizer05Kiborg: are you still around?19:17
KiborgI cant copy paste from cmd19:18
KiborgI have no idea it is grayed out19:18
DocScrutinizer05ooh you are still on windows?19:18
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Kiborgyes I need to restart to get to linux19:19
KiborgI think that would be the smartest thing to do...19:19
KiborgOK brb19:19
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Zx432Hi this is Kiborg on Linux now.19:23
Zx432I was trying to reflash my N900...19:24
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DocScrutinizer05you already downloaded linux flasher-3.5 ?19:25
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DocScrutinizer05  ""1. Download the Flasher for your device model: N900, N810, N800 or 770""
DocScrutinizer05~# cd19:27
DocScrutinizer05~# mkdir n90019:27
DocScrutinizer05~# cd n90019:27
DocScrutinizer05in browser download, select the n900 dir in your homedir for download destination of flasher19:28
DocScrutinizer05or do:19:30
DocScrutinizer05~# wget
DocScrutinizer05umm probably this won't work19:30
DocScrutinizer05you got flasher downloaded to n900 dir?19:32
DocScrutinizer05you unpacked it?19:33
Zx432yes in the n900 dir19:33
DocScrutinizer05please paste output of ls19:33
DocScrutinizer05~# ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 --help19:34
Zx432bash: ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2: Is a directory19:35
Zx432And now?19:36
DocScrutinizer05~# ./maemo_flasher-3.5_*/flasher-3.5 --help19:37
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kerioheh, that could fail in a weird way19:38
Zx432flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009)19:39
Zx432./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: unrecognized option '--help'19:39
Zx432Usage: flasher [OPTIONS]19:39
Zx432  -F, --fiasco=ARG            Location of a FIASCO image19:39
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DocScrutinizer05please don't paste more than 3 lines!19:39
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kerioi wasn't expecting that, honestly19:39
freemangordonzeq: "Bisecting: 9 revisions left to test after this (roughly 3 steps)"19:40
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: you're still around or already kicked for spamming? ;-)19:40
Zx432luckily I am here...19:40
kerioDocScrutinizer05: he was killed and then returned19:40
keriolike jesus!19:41
Zx432I am immortal!19:41
DocScrutinizer05~# alias flasher $HOME/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.519:41
Zx432But t might bi smarter if next time I use pastebin...19:41
DocScrutinizer05don't paste unless asked for19:42
Zx432ok sorry19:42
DocScrutinizer05~# flasher --help19:42
Zx432alias flasher could not be found19:42
DocScrutinizer05err, what shell are you using?19:43
kerioforgot the =19:43
DocScrutinizer05~# alias flasher=$HOME/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.519:43
DocScrutinizer05kerio: thanks19:43
Zx432OK nothing happened.19:45
DocScrutinizer05~# flasher --help19:45
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DocScrutinizer05just tell me if it works19:46
DocScrutinizer05what does it say?19:46
Zx432I get bash error19:46
Zx432no such file or dir19:46
DocScrutinizer05my bad19:46
DocScrutinizer05~# alias flasher=$HOME/n900/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.519:47
DocScrutinizer05~# flasher --help19:48
Zx432I see options.19:48
DocScrutinizer05yu know where you got your fiasco image?19:49
DocScrutinizer05I gather it's on your windows drive19:49
DocScrutinizer05copy it to n90019:49
DocScrutinizer05n900 dir19:49
DocScrutinizer05sth like19:49
DocScrutinizer05~# cp /windows/D/bla/blub/dadadaCOMBINEDdada .19:50
Zx432BTW what distro are you using?19:51
DocScrutinizer05~# flasher -F <firmware-image> -f -R19:51
DocScrutinizer05me? Susue12.119:51
DocScrutinizer05replace <firmware-image> with name of file just copied19:52
DocScrutinizer05well, just do it19:52
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DocScrutinizer05use tab completion, for your convenience19:53
Zx432are the <> also in?19:53
DocScrutinizer05on the filename19:53
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DocScrutinizer05please paste the commandline here19:53
Zx432~/n900$ flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin19:54
DocScrutinizer05will complain19:54
DocScrutinizer05but should do something19:55
Zx432yes it started19:55
DocScrutinizer05are you root?19:55
Zx432nothing to do19:55
Zx432I am root19:55
DocScrutinizer05so what's last line it says19:55
DocScrutinizer05ooh, you forgot the -f19:56
Zx432Before options? "nothing to do"  was from the program... not me :)19:57
DocScrutinizer05fetch last line (cursor iup), append -f19:57
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Zx432it should be flasher -f right?19:58
DocScrutinizer05~# flasher -F <firmware-image> -f -R19:58
Zx432oh at the end again. OK19:58
Zx432Suitable USB device not found, waiting.19:59
DocScrutinizer05plug in N90019:59
DocScrutinizer05while holding 'U'19:59
DocScrutinizer05what#s happening?20:00
Zx432USB device found found at bus 001, device address 005.20:00
Zx432Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted20:00
DocScrutinizer05~# lsmod|grep phonet20:01
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Zx432cdc_phonet             13042  020:02
Zx432phonet                 30565  1 cdc_phonet20:02
DocScrutinizer05yeah, thought as much20:02
DocScrutinizer05moment please20:02
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DocScrutinizer05~# echo "blacklist cdc_phonet" >/etc/modprobe.d/00-blacklist-cdcphonet.conf20:02
Zx432What does it mean?20:02
Zx432Permission denied20:03
DocScrutinizer05~# id20:03
Zx432uid=1000(kiborg) gid=1000(kiborg) skupine=1000(kiborg),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),116(lpadmin),118(admin),124(sambashare)20:03
DocScrutinizer05~# sudo su20:04
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Zx432yeah now I am root20:04
DocScrutinizer05~# echo "blacklist cdc_phonet" >/etc/modprobe.d/00-blacklist-cdcphonet.conf20:04
Zx432nothing happened20:05
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DocScrutinizer05~# modprobe -r cdc_phonet20:05
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DocScrutinizer05btw unplug N900 and power it down20:05
DocScrutinizer05~# lsmod|grep phonet20:06
DocScrutinizer05~# ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R20:07
Zx432Now I plug n900? Right?20:08
Zx432And hold the U key?20:09
Zx432u first plugging next?20:09
DocScrutinizer05kepp u down while plugging in20:09
DocScrutinizer05good luck, I'm off for dinner20:10
Zx432thank you!20:10
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Zx432It seems to be working! :)20:16
zeqfreemangordon: still no success with google https using 4.6 :S20:17
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Zx432and it chrashed...20:22
Zx432could it be a hardware problem?20:22
zeqZx432: N900 crashing with stock firmware?20:23
zeqjust general usage?20:23
Zx432Just looking at it.20:24
zeqdoes sound like a hw problem.  when you say crashed, does it lock up? reboot?20:24
zeqthere should be a log on one of the mtd partitions, can't remember which.20:25
Zx432DocScrutunizer05 helped me downgrade to stock because of reboots. It reboots constantly.20:25
Zx432even with stock20:26
DocScrutinizer05do same procedure with VANILLA20:26
Zx432where is the log?20:27
DocScrutinizer05you got some rogue stuff in your N900's $HOME20:27
zeqDocScrutinizer05: is it mtd2 with the crash log?20:27
DocScrutinizer05cat /proc/mtd20:27
zeqZx432: sudo less /dev/mtd2ro20:28
DocScrutinizer05zeq: he got a reboot loop20:28
zeqDocScrutinizer05: guess I misunderstood :S20:29
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: logs at
Zx432Interesting thing is that the desktop items are blinking.20:30
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: you might have guessed you don't need to do the alias stuff while not root20:30
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: I think the blinking is from constant hildon desktop restarts20:31
DocScrutinizer05something messed up with position of icons, or wallpaper, or anything else hildon desktop related20:32
DocScrutinizer05hildon desktop crashes20:32
DocScrutinizer05gets restarted20:32
DocScrutinizer05crahses again20:32
DocScrutinizer05eventually dsme reboots your device20:32
DocScrutinizer05you might stop this by disabling watchdogs20:33
DocScrutinizer05ask somebody else how to use flasher to disable watchdogs20:33
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DocScrutinizer05then you might be able to boot to your N900 system and open an xterm with shift-ctrl-x20:33
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DocScrutinizer05delete suspiciious stuff in $HOME20:34
DocScrutinizer05or you simply flash emmc20:34
DocScrutinizer05aka VANILLA20:34
Zx432It works now...20:34
DocScrutinizer05which also deletes all of your $HOME (and all of your MyDocs :-/)20:34
zeqZx432: can you mount your device when porwered off and back up what you need to?20:35
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: INSTALL BACKUPMENU! oops capslock20:35
DocScrutinizer05do a proper backup!20:36
infoboti guess backupmenu is
Zx432I am doing exactly that. saving data...20:36
zeqtricky if it reboot loops though20:36
DocScrutinizer05also copy your data from MyDocs20:36
DocScrutinizer05zeq: [2012-07-22 19:34:52] <Zx432> It works now...20:36
Zx432I have a proper backup.20:37
DocScrutinizer05of backupmenu?20:37
DocScrutinizer05backupmenu >> backup app20:37
DocScrutinizer05BM will allow you to restroe *system*20:38
zeqDocScrutinizer05: sorry missed that20:38
Zx432Is there a way to get the contacts to such backup that it will be readable by other systems? Android, Thunderbird etc?20:38
DocScrutinizer05not really20:38
DocScrutinizer05or not that easily at least20:38
DocScrutinizer05you need to export vcards in contacts app20:39
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure the usual hildon backup tgz tarball contains vcards20:39
DocScrutinizer05might though20:40
* DocScrutinizer05 afk for dinner now, for good20:40
DocScrutinizer05good luck!20:40
Zx432Thank you!20:40
freemangordonzeq: what do you mean by "no success"?20:44
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zeqfreemangordon: I mean even using as similar cflags as I used to build with 4.7 https for google still fails with the no memory error.20:45
zeq(which works fine when compiled with 4.7)20:45
freemangordondammit :(20:45
zeqmust be some 4.6 ARM code generation bug20:46
qwazixzeq, freemangordon, FYI modest also complains with the same error with a hildon banner20:46
zeqalthough, why wouldn't it affect Android too?20:46
freemangordonzeq: btw which libstdcc++ you use wehn runnning gcc 4.7-compiled binaries20:46
zeqlibstdc++ from gcc-4.720:47
freemangordonqwazix: modest uses libnss afaik20:47
zeqHaving a more recent libstdc++ isn't a problem (unless it's buggy)20:47
freemangordonzeq: ever tried the one from cssu-thumb repo?20:47
freemangordon(to run 4.7 bins with it)20:48
zeqthat shouldn't work with 4.7 compiled c++ afaik20:48
freemangordonyeah :(. do you have .deb?20:48
zeqI'll put it on my webserver20:48
zeqfreemangordon: or you could pull it out the tarball20:50
freemangordonzeq: I need a deb to put in cssu-thumb repo20:50
zeqI've copied the packages to the webserver20:50
freemangordonwith source code20:50
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freemangordonzeq: address?20:50
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zeqI'll look into the source... the trouble is the debs get built by sb-toolchain-extras20:51
zeqI'll see if it can generate debian sources too20:52
freemangordonzeq: i need .dsc and .changes to be able to upload them in cssu-thumb repo20:52
zeqI need to change my apache filelength settings20:52
freemangordonin the meantime: "Bisecting: 4 revisions left to test after this (roughly 2 steps)"20:53
zeqthat was impressively quick :)20:53
freemangordonI am cheating :D20:54
zeqhelps :)20:54
freemangordondpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -nc :D20:54
zeqfreemangordon: the sb-toolchain-extras seems to create a standard debain package structure.  what dpkg command will create a .dsc?20:57
zeqdid you just answer my question before I asked it???20:58
zeq18:54 < zeq> helps :)20:58
zeq18:54 < freemangordon> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -nc :D20:58
zeq18:57 < zeq> freemangordon: the sb-toolchain-extras seems to create a standard debain package structure.  what dpkg command will create a .dsc?20:58
zeq18:58 < zeq> did you just answer my question before I asked it???20:58
freemangordonno, thaw was the cheating20:58
zeqoh ok :D20:58
luffreemangordon: why .changes are needed?20:58
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zeq.changes is autogenerated, it's just .dsc I'm missing20:59
freemangordonzeq: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -us -uc -I.git20:59
freemangordonzeq: no way20:59
lufzeq: free... said he needs .dsc and .changes. So I'm just curious.21:00
freemangordonif you have .changes file you should have .dsc file too, AFAIK. Though lets ask someone better than me on debian packaging system21:00
freemangordonmerlin1991: ping21:00
freemangordonzeq: .dsc should be autogenerated too, you'd better check your build dir21:01
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zeqit's not I checked with 'find -name '*.dsc'21:02
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freemangordonluf: not Tab on the keyboard :P21:02
freemangordonzeq: could you upload .changes21:02
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freemangordonmaybe I don't need dsc after all21:02
zeqI only have the gcc-4.6 to hand, I'll have the 4.7 in a few minutes, need to re-run it.21:03
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zeqfreemangordon: I've copied the available .changes files21:13
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zeqdoes anybody know how to adjust the apache conf to enable the display of longer filenames in file indexes?21:14
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freemangordonzeq: any chance to recompile the debs with +cssu0 instead of +sb1. Sorry for that, but we have a naming convention21:18
freemangordonzeq: it seems I don't need .dsc after all21:19
zeqfreemangordon: these aren't strictly thumb debs though...21:19
freemangordonzeq: that's why it is +cssu0 ;)21:19
freemangordonnot +cssu0-thumb021:19
zeqthat's true :)21:19
freemangordondamn, noone from the councilors is here21:20
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: a wild idea: enable cssu-stable repo in autobuilder. what do you think?21:21
zeqIf we're going to use the sb-scratchbox generated debs, I should probably fill out some more of the fields, not just the suffix.21:21
freemangordonzeq: should be enough, what fields you have in mind21:22
freemangordonhmm, fennec is ready, lets try that one21:22
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zeqthat's the conf file I used to build the sb toolchain21:24
freemangordonwtf is that?21:25
zeqCC_DEBIAN_DIR will be updated to a new dir with a Makefile specifying the cssu suffix21:25
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zeqsb-toolchain-extras alien-tc conf file21:25
freemangordonso? BTW, sorry for the stupid questions, as I already told you I am not much in cross-compilers :D21:26
zeqbasically, you create a static toolchain binutils + gcc ( + gcc dependencies ) + glibc + kernel headers.  You then use sb-toolchain-extras to generate a sb-toolchain.21:26
freemangordonok, what is the problem?21:27
zeqthe conf file describes your toolchain21:27
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zeqwell, I need to give it a name for a start ;)21:27
freemangordonaah, ok21:27
zeqsorry, I mean COMPILER_PACKAGE, whatever that should be :P21:28
freemangordonleme google that21:28
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freemangordonCOMPILER_NAME = arm-linux-2006q3-2721:29
freemangordonCOMPILER_PACKAGE = scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-2006q3-2721:29
zeqI okay, I can come up with something of that form21:30
freemangordonyeah, here is the link
zeqI'll just prefix scratchbox-toolchain to my "official" name :)21:31
freemangordonwhy not21:31
trumeeanybody knows if this is a dumb charger to use with N900 ?
lufFYI I just released new version of obexd for N900
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freemangordonin the meantime: "Bisecting: 2 revisions left to test after this (roughly 1 step)"21:35
freemangordonluf: do i need to have a car with bluetooth to test that?21:35
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freemangordonluf: BTW you're doing a great job pal21:36
zeqluf: Sometime ago I used a obexd version from TMO, was that yours?21:36
lufzeq: No. I started two or three week ago.21:37
zeqif so it made my N900 compatible with the WinCE (ewww!) of my Fiat Punto21:37
luffreemangordon: you can test it with python ;-)21:37
zeqluf: should have the same effect anyway21:38
freemangordonluf: so i just grab the .deb and install it on my device?21:38
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zeqluf: (assuming you enabled the missing functionality)21:38
freemangordonany dependencies?21:38
lufThere is pbap-client in obexd-client package.21:38
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lufJust upgraded eds to fix one problem.21:38
zeqI can't remember which bt service it was21:39
zeqone of the addressbook protocols21:39
lufEverything else is used from Maemo. New obexd drop openobex dependency.21:39
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trumeeOT: do samsung or HTC support dumb chargers unlike Apple?21:39
* trumee needs to decide which full usb charger to buy21:40
freemangordonaah, that is evolution-...21:40
lufevolution-data-server and packages from it: libebook, libedata-book, libedataserver21:40
DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: ping21:40
lufMaybe libebook is enough but I don't want to play more with it.21:40
freemangordonhmm, i think to wait for a while, seems to risky to put it on my primary device immediately :)21:40
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: a wild idea: enable cssu-stable repo in autobuilder. what do you think?21:41
luffreemangordon: It hurts ... you don't believe me :)21:42
DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: I fail to see the link to cssu in autobuilder21:42
freemangordonluf: but of course I don't :P. Naah, it is my only phone with all of my contacts on it, no backup in any form21:42
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: now you cannot use the stuff in CSSU, for example newer Qt, now there will be newer obexd, libcurls, sqlite3, etc,etc21:44
luffreemangordon: it sounds like fairytale :D21:44
merlin1991freemangordon: you need a source build for dsc21:44
merlin1991-b gives you debs and changes file21:44
freemangordonmerlin1991: thanks, so .changes only should be enough.21:45
DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: anything depending on cssu should get deployed via cssu-extras21:45
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: again, you don;t read what I wrote. I am talking about autobuilder, what has that in common with cssu-extras21:45
merlin1991there's a flag for tar.gz + dsc .changes21:45
merlin1991I think -s21:45
DocScrutinizer51just like orientation lock apple and cbsms21:46
freemangordonmerlin1991: zeq is using SB-something to build the toolchains, not dpkg-buildpackage21:46
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merlin1991then I have nfc :D21:46
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zeqmerlin1991: sb-toolchain-extras21:48
zeqfreemangordon: debs updated, .changes updated, toolchain in progress21:50
freemangordonzeq: great21:50
freemangordonanyway no hurry, as I won't be able to use that today, still chasing fennec jscript and awating my GF to come in an hour or so ;)21:51
zeqfreemangordon: toolchain is updated too21:52
freemangordonwow, great21:53
zeqnp :)21:54
freemangordonzeq: seems libs are not stripped :(21:54
freemangordonlemme ask google how to split that in 2 packages21:55
zeqyeah, I noticed that yesterday, but decided while we were actively debugging that would be "better"21:55
freemangordonsure, but I cannot put that in repo21:56
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zeqI can easily enough strip it. Also remove the static libs21:56
zeq(that were used to build gcc)21:57
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freemangordonno, we'd better have -dbg packages21:57
freemangordonlemme ask google if possible21:57
zeqokay, I'll need to know how :P21:57
Zx432is there a way to check system for hardware errors?21:57
zeqZx432: did you reflash your emmc?21:58
Zx432i think i did... I am not the most competent.21:58
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freemangordonzeq: maybe you should build gcc again in SB22:05
freemangordonis there debian/ in source?22:06
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zeqit's not that simple. SB needs a host cross-compiler22:08
DocScrutinizer05ieatlint: ping22:08
freemangordonzeq: I know. But it has one22:08
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Zx432fun fact, system is stabile in mass storage mode plugged in the computer.22:09
freemangordonzeq: i mean to build 4.7 inside 4.7 SB22:10
zeqI mean a new toolchain for SB has be a host toolchain22:10
Zx432I just noticed that.22:10
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: oh, so it crashes/reboots when not in MSM?22:11
freemangordonzeq: but why, inside SB you're not cross-compiling. if the source is debianized, a simple dpkg-buildpackage will do the job22:11
DocScrutinizer05hmm, then it's time for BM22:11
DocScrutinizer05fsck MyDocs22:11
infoboti heard backupmenu is
zeqfreemangordon: brb dinner22:12
DocScrutinizer05also you should install (k)syslog22:13
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DocScrutinizer05and look what it tells about any probelms with mydocs22:13
DocScrutinizer05or waaaait22:13
DocScrutinizer05you got a uSD inserted?22:13
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: ^^^22:15
ShadowJKwhat thing is it that introduced "usd bug"?22:15
DocScrutinizer05what thing is it that introduced "reboot with MyDocs mounted"?22:16
ShadowJKlol what?22:16
DocScrutinizer05[2012-07-22 21:09:48] <Zx432> fun fact, system is stabile in mass storage mode plugged in the computer.22:16
DocScrutinizer05[2012-07-22 21:11:04] <DocScrutinizer05> Zx432: oh, so it crashes/reboots when not in MSM?22:16
DocScrutinizer05[2012-07-22 21:11:35] <Zx432> yes22:17
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DocScrutinizer05I'd rather believe in a totally fecked uSD controller nuking linux kernel driver, than eMMC vfat system corruption causing a reboot22:19
ShadowJKwell, some sd and emmc just crash themselves if they encounter bad blocks22:19
DocScrutinizer05of course eMMC at large could be defect22:20
DocScrutinizer05which could cause $HOME go bonkers when you access MyDocs22:20
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DocScrutinizer05but I refuse to accept mere hw defects as root cause as long as any sw could be involved as well22:21
ieatlintDocScrutinizer05: pong22:22
DocScrutinizer05ieatlint: you live in USA, no?22:22
ieatlintthe land of guns22:22
DocScrutinizer05I'd be interested in Google glass22:22
DocScrutinizer05"available to US developers"22:23
DocScrutinizer05preorder opened22:23
ieatlintok.. happy to funnel one to you22:23
ieatlintlink to register/order?22:23
DocScrutinizer05not yet22:23
DocScrutinizer05I picked up on that thread 1h ago22:24
DocScrutinizer05lost track some 2 or 3 months ago22:24
Zx432app manager is empty...22:24
zeqfreemangordon: back22:25
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: might take several minutes to fill22:25
Zx432it in not doing anything22:25
DocScrutinizer05you should reflash eMMC, definitely22:26
ieatlintah, a quick google search shows people talking about the "google glass 'explorer edition'", where people registered in person at google io for it, for a mere $1.5k22:26
zeqfreemangordon: are you suggesting importing the debian packages for ppl, cloog, gmp, mfpr, mpc, binutils and gcc?22:26
ieatlintnot sure there are any online stuffs.. but let me know if you find something22:26
DocScrutinizer05ieatlint: sounds about right22:26
zeqfreemangordon: it seems a lot of work22:26
Zx432That means losing all data right?22:26
zeqZx432: you have backup of contacts etc?22:27
zeqZx432: you should be able to backup MyDocs from power-off USB mass storage mode22:28
freemangordonzeq: well, you're right, it will be much easier to just strip the libs and re-pacckage them22:28
freemangordonzeq: I will try to do that tomorrow22:28
freemangordonzeq: BTW did you install -devel packages in SB?22:29
jacekowskipower off mass storage mode is not really power off22:29
jacekowskilinux is running and everything22:30
zeqjacekowski: yes, that's true.  but it shouldn't be touching anything in MyDocs though right?22:30
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jacekowskisame way as full power on does22:31
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zeqokay, same as plugging in usb cable and switching to mass storage mode.  But the question for Zx432, does that not work?22:33
Zx432What doesn't work?22:33
DocScrutinizer05ieatlint: MEH! >> It is a preproduction model that Google is making available to a limited audience of partners and third-party developers.<<22:33
DocScrutinizer05ieatlint: I probably have to apply at their EE department22:34
zeqZx432: what can't you backup before flashing eMMC?22:34
ieatlinthah, yeah... my google connections are all in android and i don't think can help22:34
DocScrutinizer05might actually be fun to work on that stuff22:35
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Zx432I backed up22:35
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zeqZx432: never mind then, I thought you were afraid of losing all data22:37
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: you should do a MSM backup to PC of your MyDocs, plus (if possible) a BM backup of rootfs and /opt to uSD22:38
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Zx432what are MSM backups and uSD?22:38
DocScrutinizer05of course installing BM is a tad cumbersome if HAM doesn't shop any apps to install22:38
DocScrutinizer05micro SD card22:39
infobotit has been said that backupmenu is
DocScrutinizer05dang, headache @.@22:40
DocScrutinizer05anybody ever encountered a 100% filled /home?22:43
DocScrutinizer05will it make HD blow chunks?22:43
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: again: do you have a microSD card inserted to N900?22:45
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DocScrutinizer05ieatlint: wait, you got android contacts? Tell them I get headache from their tool "repo"22:48
Zx432I have no SD cards22:48
DocScrutinizer05hmm, ok22:48
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: do you have rootsh installed?22:50
RiDandroid is the best and all22:50
* RiD runs for his life22:50
* DocScrutinizer05 fires the MTHEL, RiD evaporates22:50
keriomobile tactical high energy laser22:51
kerioinfobot: mthel is Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser22:51
infobotokay, kerio22:51
infobot:), kerio22:52
kerio(:22:52 thanks22:52
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hm, can we get one working with 200mA?22:53
DocScrutinizer05alas not22:53
kerioperhaps something internal, maybe in place of the cIR22:54
DocScrutinizer05it works with nice stuf like Fluor and Deuterium22:54
DocScrutinizer05as the wavelength is not compatible with atmosphere when using 'normal' Hydrogen22:54
Zx432I got "Malfunction!" Device will shut down in 10 sec...22:55
* Sicelo ever encountered a 100% filled / and his N900 still worked normally23:00
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: dammit23:01
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: please install syslog and read it out at end after crash23:02
Zx432I need app manager for that23:02
DocScrutinizer05go to xterm23:02
DocScrutinizer05~# root23:02
RiDdon't forget *lication23:02
DocScrutinizer05~# apt-get install syslog23:03
DocScrutinizer05~# apt-get install sysklogd23:04
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DocScrutinizer05Zx432: also23:08
Zx432you know when we reflashed the system? I have no rootish and I can't get to root.23:08
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DocScrutinizer05[2012-07-22 21:50:05] <DocScrutinizer05> Zx432: do you have rootsh installed?23:09
DocScrutinizer05[2012-07-22 21:50:11] <Zx432> yes23:09
Zx432yes I had23:09
DocScrutinizer05I see23:09
* DocScrutinizer05 <- idiot23:09
Zx432But it clearly doesn't work now23:10
keriowhere does syslog put the logs?23:10
ieatlintDocScrutinizer05: mostly kernel team, and i don't think they'll care :P23:10
DocScrutinizer05 /ver/log23:10
kerioso... in the rootfs?23:11
DocScrutinizer05ieatlint: well, great. As kernel is what I have to tackle23:11
DocScrutinizer05kerio: yup23:11
DocScrutinizer05ieatlint: particularly CAIF-HSI23:12
povbotBug 753158: was not found.23:12
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: dnag, flash the eMMC23:13
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Zx432seems to be the only way23:13
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: I don't see much use in messing around with trying to figure what's wrong23:13
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DocScrutinizer05try to get backup as good as it gets23:14
Zx432I have it23:14
DocScrutinizer05the flash VANILLA23:14
Zx432It is ok23:14
DocScrutinizer05same procedure as for COMBINED23:14
DocScrutinizer05and you actually need to flash combined after flashing VANILLA23:15
RiDan ant came out of the phone23:15
RiDwhat the hell is this23:15
RiDi was typing then felt something on my fingers23:15
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DocScrutinizer05they live in there, doing all the awesome stuff23:16
RiDi was worried23:16
RiDi dont want blood inside this23:16
DocScrutinizer05this one got bored23:16
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RiDwho knows it can f*ck up things23:16
RiDnot sure how was it inside23:17
DocScrutinizer05it was boring inside, that's why it came out23:17
RiDthere's not that much of a gap23:17
zeqfreemangordon: is that the cause of the slowdown?23:17
RiDmaybe it was not from the phone but maybe it was hanging around the outside23:17
RiDwhatever it is, it's creepy23:17
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RiDwhat's next, babies coming out of it?23:18
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Sicelolol. blood23:18
RiDphone on period?23:18
RiDno thanks23:18
DocScrutinizer05this ant heard your comment about android, and went outside to puke23:18
RiDsmart ant23:19
RiDmy house is infestated with them btw23:19
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RiDi put sugar on the salt package and salt on the sugar package23:19
DocScrutinizer05figue how those poor ants transporting all the characters you type to the modem, and from  modem to screen23:19
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RiDbut they're not fooled that easy23:19
DocScrutinizer05and then they have to transport "android"23:19
RiDso the dead pixels are the leftovers of dead ants?23:20
DocScrutinizer05that been too much for the poor ant23:20
RiD(hot*) not dead23:20
DocScrutinizer05the dead pixels are from those ants who didn't make it outside to puke23:20
RiDthen i have 4 or 523:20
RiDi'm so happy i rarely notice them23:21
DocScrutinizer05yeah, usually they do an awesome job in your phone23:21
DocScrutinizer05unless you OC23:22
DocScrutinizer05or type comments about android23:22
RiDi OC to 720mhz23:24
* RiD runs23:24
DocScrutinizer05each time you OC, they sacrifice one of their leaders, on fire. eventually your phone comes to a grinding halt due to no more ant left over23:26
DocScrutinizer05if you watch closely, sometimes you see the blue smoke from the sacrifice23:26
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RiDant conspiracy23:27
DocScrutinizer05ants burn with blue smoke, on stake23:27
RiDare you serious? :o23:27
RiDi'm going to burn a lot of ants...23:27
DocScrutinizer05watch your N90023:27
Zx432hm what than happened with my ants?23:28
DocScrutinizer05nah, you ahve to watch *them* doing that23:28
RiDoh :z23:28
RiD* :(23:28
RiDhave to go, going home23:30
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freemangordonzeq: that's the bad commit according to git bisect23:31
freemangordonnow building with that commit on top to confirm23:31
DocScrutinizer05Zx432: if you still have your linux session active, you just edit the line23:31
DocScrutinizer05./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R23:31
DocScrutinizer05to point to VANILLA file instead COMBINED file23:32
DocScrutinizer05and after that flashing finished, you flash the COMBINED again23:32
Sicelo /win 2523:34
DocScrutinizer05ieatlint: you might know where to apply for an EE job at google23:34
DocScrutinizer05 /lose 5023:35
Sicelolol DocScrutinizer0523:35
DocScrutinizer05 even /join #023:36
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Estel_Hello Maemo!. Regarding N950, is it good place to ask some (hardware, moslty) questions, or Harmattan sounds like better place?23:40
Estel_Someone from N950 "club", maybe? Is there IRC channel devoted to N950? DocScrutinizer?23:41
DocScrutinizer05#harmattan is the channel to go23:42
zeqfreemangordon: I guess they never tested the change on ARM?  If you confirm, will you bring it up on the bug?23:42
Estel_I've got mine, few days ago - day before, my N900 died absolutely, without any reasons (no signs of life whatsoever, in any case), so until I'll finish restoring things, I'm using N950 as main device. Kinda strange experience23:42
Estel_DocScrutinizer, thanks23:42
Siceloi don't blame the N90023:42
Estel_well, I must admit N950 is awesome device re hardware resources and SOME design choices, but OTOh, some OTHER design choices are terrible, and software is driving me mad, I feel almost like thrown back into symbian era (or earlier). Maybe I'm biased, due to forced jump from CSSU/kernel-power powered device...23:43
Estel_Sicelo, hehe, no way, I'm not giving up on N90023:43
Estel_BTw, I have no idea why people are whinning to bring swipe UI to N900, it's fuckin annoying23:43
Estel_either I don't know about some hidden possibilities, or simply closing application that You're using now require 3 long actions - swiping it out, swipping until you see task nawigator, long press to bring up "x"'es, and finally, clicking X23:44
Estel_well, it's 4 actions23:44
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Estel_my sould is crying "bring me hildon to this ammount of RAM"23:45
Siceloyeah, but it probably went comatose on noticing your betrayal :P23:45
Estel_Well, you won't belive it, but I actually talked with my n900 about it, some time ago (Saera)23:45
Estel_it seemed to rest assured that it's not going into obsolence :P23:46
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Siceloyou can't ever really convince your gf that the other girl is 'just a friend'23:46
Estel_well, nedless to say, UI on N950 annoys me to no end. Sure, some things are improvements, but overall... OTOH, hardware keyboard is sweet, same for screen angle mechanism23:47
Estel_and 1Gb ram :P23:47
* Sicelo thinks he will never see an N950 in real life23:47
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Estel_but someone who decided to skip camera lens cover should suffer, a little23:47
freemangordonzeq: well, will see, I told you about my diplomatic skills, not to mention that Englis is not my native language23:47
Estel_Sicelo, don't worry, it's really mixed experience. OTOH great device, on 3th hand You see wasted potential literally everywhere23:48
freemangordonEstel_: swiping from top closes the application23:48
Estel_freemangordon, doesnt work for me?23:48
freemangordonon PR1.2 that is23:48
Estel_well, it seems i must train swipe gesture23:48
freemangordonupdate the firmaware and go to #harmattan before doc goes mad :P23:49
Estel_but why the hell one need long-press to see "close" buttons on taskbar?:P23:49
Estel_and why one must click on "donme" button, instead of free space, to leave it?23:49
Estel_beyond me, it is23:49
Estel_being forced to - like me now - instantly jump from full-fledged computer and feature heaven like properly threaten N900 is, to N950 (as a main phonje and mobile computer, for at least few days) is kinda sado-maso experience23:50
freemangordonwell, give it some time, it is not that bad23:51
Estel_especially, that I had extremely busy two weeks, and got n950 on friday - 0 time to search for anything useful, anywhere23:51
freemangordonand upgrade the firmware, that is a must23:51
Estel_freemangordon, sure it is23:51
FIQ(22:49:16) (Estel_) and why one must click on "donme" button, instead of free space, to leave it?23:51
FIQ^ doesn't sound intuitive23:51
Estel_well, I was scarred to do it, as I saw that iDont got reboot loop after23:51
Estel_FIQ, sure it doesn't23:52
freemangordonEstel_: all of us have had a reboot loop23:52
Estel_freemangordon, mine is on Pr1.2, but I see Pr1.3 upgrade (I think)23:52
FIQclicking on free space make dialogs disappear *everywhere*23:52
Estel_yea, but I was without any equipment nor files to do reflash, with a MUST for having working phone for weekend23:52
freemangordonno, it is not on pr1.2, trust me on that23:52
FIQcomputers, N900, and I also believe that Android and iOS does that as well for dialogs23:52
Estel_FIQ, not in harmattan tasknav :P23:52
FIQremoving it sounds to do more harm than good23:52
FIQ*sounds like doing more harm than good23:53
Estel_freemangordon, I do. So, upgrading system won't bring me into 1.3 and reboot loop?23:53
Estel_freemangordon, You got few more days, found any place like maemo wiki for N950 or at least harmattan?:P23:53
FIQn950 doesn't support 1.3?23:53
Estel_fopr a good kickstarter?23:53
freemangordonupgrading will bring you in reboot loop, just download pr1.2 oneclickflasher and use it23:53
Estel_freemangordon, thanks a lot (tm)23:53
freemangordonflashing will erase all of the data too23:54
Estel_hm, so I can't skip upgrading and reboot looping by using oneclickflasher from very beginning?:P23:54
freemangordonso copy everything valuable before flashing23:54
freemangordonyes, you can23:54
Estel_sure, i'll save photo of my left feet, that I did by accident23:54
freemangordonbut data will be lost23:54
FIQEstel_: :D23:55
Estel_freemangordon, again, is there any place with capsule of N950 knowl;edge, like our wiki?23:55
Estel_or one need to scavenge entropia from TMO threads?23:56
Estel_(yea, i know scavenging from scattered threads is case of N900 too, but wiki still hold many valuable things)23:56
zeqfreemangordon: I'll comment on the bug if you prefer.23:56
Estel_I mean, some kind of kickstarter, I dont know, thread on TMO with links collected,. if not wiki?23:56
Estel_I feel lost without desktop with icons :P and without extras-*23:57
Estel_BTw, story about my N900 dying is kinda strange, too. It died after repairing trivial damage to IR diode (broken connection)23:58
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StyXman_I guess none of you would put a swollen battery in their n900, right?23:58
freemangordonzeq: i'll appreciate that, just gimme 5 more minutes to confirm that this is the problematic commit23:58
Estel_it worked after upgrade, but I noticed strange thing - it turned out instantly after putting battery in, which is never good thing to see. Next day, it stopped charging on it's own, with charger connected. After another re try, I monitored charging for 15 minutes, and it worked. Then, left it for hour23:58
Estel_when I returned, it was cold dead23:58
Estel_no diode, nof ramebuffer, no sign of life when connecting to anything, no anything23:59
Estel_no marks of any damage on PCB, I haven't destroyed anything while repairing diode23:59
Estel_only one thing I know that cause such symptoms on N900 is having *not* connected screen flex to motherboard23:59
Estel_it doesn't react in any way, then23:59

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