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| zeq | freemangordon: just learnt of "about:support" | 00:15 |
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| freemangordon | and...? | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | anything helpful here? | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | *there | 00:16 |
| zeq | usefully it shows crash info (supposedly) and it confirmed for me I'm not using hw accel | 00:17 |
| kerio | in microB? | 00:19 |
| kerio | no kidding | 00:19 |
| zeq | kerio: fennec | 00:19 |
| kerio | even worse! | 00:19 |
| zeq | kerio: surely hw accel would be a good thing? :) | 00:20 |
| kerio | yeah, but i don't expect that to work on a linux desktop | 00:20 |
| kerio | let alone the n900 | 00:20 |
| zeq | romaxa has had it working (so he says) with ~60fps page rendering | 00:21 |
| kerio | sweet | 00:21 |
| zeq | that was a while ago and the patches need reworking I believe | 00:22 |
| freemangordon | zeq: I was thinking... isn't it better to use some older and stable version. | 00:22 |
| freemangordon | i.e 14 or 15 | 00:22 |
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| freemangordon | ]16 gets worse with every nightly | 00:23 |
| zeq | freemangordon: yes, and no. we're more likely going to get help from romaxa getting support mainlined with mozilla-central... but I think it might be worth taking a dual approach | 00:23 |
| freemangordon | I think we can alwasy backort whatever romaxa do | 00:24 |
| freemangordon | *backport | 00:24 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I have to say, I'm a bit surprised about the amount of churn, things applied then reverted hours later... | 00:25 |
| freemangordon | zeq: do you remember when fennec was fast? I mean around what date, so we can do bisect easy | 00:25 |
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| zeq | I suggest you look in the irc log for your previous sunspider results | 00:26 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, I think it was around 9 or 10 of July, lemme check | 00:27 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I don't remember the plugin-container taking up more memory than the main process when we started | 00:28 |
| zeq | freemangordon: we need romaxa to pass on his hw accel patchset and work from whatever the latest release that applies to | 00:30 |
| japh | ls | 00:31 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-07-04.log.html#t2012-07-04T15:36:16 | 00:35 |
| zeq | freemangordon: that was @600Mhz? | 00:36 |
| freemangordon | i think so, not sure | 00:36 |
| zeq | fwiw they seem to have fixed that https google problem now | 00:37 |
| freemangordon | but it does not matter if it is 600 or 805 | 00:37 |
| zeq | and page-loading is faster than before | 00:37 |
| freemangordon | hmm, i'll need to backport the fix to microb :D | 00:37 |
| kerio | freemangordon: but only your thumb-compiled one! | 00:38 |
| kerio | vendor lockdown, baby! | 00:38 |
| zeq | freemangordon: how similar is the mozilla codebase to microb-engine? | 00:38 |
| zeq | apart from the lower sunspider score, my current fennec build isn't too bad. most serious bug I've found is when attempting to use hw accel crashes it, I have to nuke ~/.mozilla/fennec to get it to start-up again without crashing! | 00:40 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: are you going to rebase on a commit from that date and test? | 00:42 |
| freemangordon | kerio: it works in non-thumb microb afaik, at least that is what was reported, didn't tried it myself | 00:42 |
| zeq | feel free to push it to a new branch on github | 00:43 |
| freemangordon | zeq: I am still wondering what to do, but first I will wait for current build to finish | 00:43 |
| zeq | may as well keep tracking mozilla-central on master | 00:43 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: WTF? virtual keyboard does not pop up when address bar is clicked | 00:45 |
| freemangordon | that was working, for sure | 00:45 |
| zeq | let me check | 00:45 |
| zeq | worksforme | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | aah, my fault | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | it's my second n900 with "use virtual keyboard" disabled | 00:46 |
| zeq | ah | 00:46 |
| zeq | we still need to rip out all that keyboard handling code | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | yep | 00:47 |
| zeq | going to let the dog in the garden brb | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | zeq: debian/fennec//opt/fennec-17.0a1 | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | ??? | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | this is fennec 17, LOL | 00:48 |
| zeq | they don't hang around! :P | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what the heck jollamobile quite since almost 6 hours | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually *almost* since 24 hours | 00:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Weekend secret meeting. | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: probably even close to truth | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they have private channels | 01:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but the missing noise from eventual lurkers is quite scary | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | what, is there a channel? | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | esp since yesteray morning the TV news opened with "Nokia made another 1.1 E9 EUR minus in last quartal" | 01:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | #jollamobile ? | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | oh | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, amusingly analysts took that as positive news, nokia stock went up like 18% or something crazy | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Heh. | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah ROTFL | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | There's some sliver of truth in that, the costs of downsizing are pretty extreme, but one-time in nature | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cought 18 bullets but still alive. I put all my money on the bloody guy on the floor | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | Like, Jolla itself allegedly is mostly funded by Nokia at this point? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt that | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | For sure they have received seed capital | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Contractual commitments to me ego? | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, you never know | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Or seed capital from redundancies? | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess not public. | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | According to .fi newspaper reporting, Jolla cam out of the "incubator program" that Nokia had to setup, to support former employees setting up new companies | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what are a few dozen mio if you can pay 1.1 bio per 3 months from your coffe stash | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly I guess there are other VC entities involved | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder how much money do you need to gave foxconn or someone make 50,000 devices | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that "incubator program" was about as much as "you get fired in 6 month, but you can take some time off right now" afaik | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: easy: 50,000 * sales/3 | 01:07 |
| zeq | DocScrutinizer05: funniest thing with the positve reaction to the financial report, was of the smartphones shipped, most were NOT WP7 | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that too | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: probably the reason for the +18% | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | WP7 sales did double, and they said "sales" this time, not "shipped" | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from 1000 to 2000? | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | And they said they were late to WP7 party, but have front row seats at WP8 party | 01:09 |
| zeq | sales to AT&T warehouses? | 01:09 |
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| FIQ|n900 | nokia should've realized that the wp-train was a bad idea | 01:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | oh... duh, it's elop | 01:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | nvm | 01:10 |
| zeq | DocScrutinizer05: fixed jollamobile for you ;) | 01:11 |
| freemangordon | zeq: https google still gives certificate error, probably you have tls disable in about:config | 01:13 |
| zeq | nope | 01:14 |
| zeq | interesting | 01:14 |
| zeq | freemangordon: must be fixed by my toolchain...? | 01:14 |
| zeq | weird | 01:14 |
| freemangordon | yep | 01:14 |
| freemangordon | seems toolchain related, time to switch to yours :) | 01:14 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: note though you'll need to rebuild qt4 with the gcc47 patch to build against it, including fennec | 01:15 |
| freemangordon | why i should rebuild qt? | 01:16 |
| zeq | and qt4 won't itself build with 4.7 currently, not a huge problem though | 01:16 |
| freemangordon | zeq: for what eason i need to rebuild qt with gcc 4.7 | 01:17 |
| zeq | there's a header with a bug | 01:17 |
| zeq | you could just change the header I guess | 01:17 |
| zeq | to me that's even worse ;) | 01:17 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 01:18 |
| freemangordon | and what version is yours 4.6? 4.6.3? | 01:18 |
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| zeq | which? | 01:18 |
| zeq | I built fennec with 4.7 | 01:19 |
| freemangordon | I know | 01:19 |
| freemangordon | but you said you built 4.6.x too | 01:19 |
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| freemangordon | the toolchain i mean | 01:19 |
| zeq | I have build linaro-4.6-2012.7 and linaro-4.7-2012.7 | 01:19 |
| zeq | s/build/built/ | 01:19 |
| infobot | zeq meant: I have built linaro-4.6-2012.7 and linaro-4.7-2012.7 | 01:19 |
| freemangordon | does fennec builds with 4.6 without your patches? | 01:19 |
| zeq | should do | 01:20 |
| freemangordon | *build | 01:20 |
| zeq | haven't tried | 01:20 |
| freemangordon | well, maybe i should use that then | 01:20 |
| zeq | was more interested in testing 4.7 :) | 01:20 |
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| freemangordon | could you try to build fennec with your 4.6 to see of google https error is there? | 01:20 |
| freemangordon | zeq: I know | 01:20 |
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| zeq | ok, but it will take a while... | 01:21 |
| freemangordon | zeq: no hurry | 01:21 |
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| zeq | I really kicked things off over at #jollamobile | 01:22 |
| * zeq trolls well :P | 01:22 | |
| freemangordon | zeq: but we deffinitely should should stick to some version around 4-10 july, the current has HUGE memory consumtion and is slow as hell | 01:23 |
| freemangordon | sonspider: 8920 ms | 01:23 |
| freemangordon | *sunspider | 01:23 |
| freemangordon | @600 | 01:23 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: seems gcc 4.7 saves about 300ms | 01:25 |
| zeq | ok | 01:28 |
| zeq | not bad really, didn't expect much difference from the JIT | 01:28 |
| zeq | Where I expected to see most improvement was page layout | 01:29 |
| freemangordon | why? | 01:30 |
| zeq | very visible for a start ;) | 01:32 |
| zeq | it's also native code rather than JS (right?) | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | yeah, sounds sane | 01:33 |
| freemangordon | anyway, it is late for today, but I will try to do git bisect tomorrow | 01:34 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: it is strange there is nor release for 16a1 is not released: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ | 01:36 |
| freemangordon | I told you it is late here :D:D:D | 01:36 |
| zeq | I'll push my gcc47 build fixes for fennec, then get started on the linaro-4.6 fennec build | 01:36 |
| freemangordon | zeq: it is strange that 16a1 is not released: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ | 01:36 |
| zeq | looking | 01:36 |
| zeq | don't see 15 there either? | 01:38 |
| freemangordon | there is 15b1 | 01:38 |
| zeq | ah ok | 01:38 |
| zeq | aurora maybe? | 01:39 |
| freemangordon | but seems latest not in alpha or beta is 13 | 01:39 |
| zeq | http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all-aurora.html | 01:39 |
| zeq | there is is :) ^ | 01:39 |
| zeq | it is* | 01:39 |
| freemangordon | but "Download Firefox Aurora in your language to experience the newest features and innovations in an unstable environment even before they go to Beta" | 01:40 |
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| freemangordon | 14.01 is the latest release according to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/ | 01:41 |
| freemangordon | and it is released on 17 jul | 01:42 |
| freemangordon | i think that is a good candidate | 01:42 |
| freemangordon | b7 was performing pretty well | 01:42 |
| zeq | is there a tag in the git repo? | 01:43 |
| freemangordon | hmm, lemme try to checkout | 01:43 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I'm keeping the gf awake, going to have to sign-off... | 01:43 |
| zeq | night all! :) | 01:44 |
| * zeq waves | 01:44 | |
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| joga | hmm, that was unexpected, I ran unnethack a few times and once I quit it at some point with ctrl-c or something and it left my terminal colours like they're in-game | 10:58 |
| joga | now new terminals have those colors set, I also tried to reboot but didn't matter | 10:59 |
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| joga | not a big deal since I already changed them back but I was sort of surprised it somehow changed the colors "globally" | 10:59 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: tag FIREFOX_AURORA_16_BASE gives around 8000ms on sunspider, better than last, but worse than 4th of July version, going to bisect. | 13:19 |
| zeq | freemangordon: good luck! | 13:20 |
| freemangordon | yeah, thanks :). I ahve a bad feeling it is not only one commit :( | 13:22 |
| zeq | freemangordon: can you keep an eye on how much memory plugin-containers sucks up? | 13:22 |
| zeq | s/plugin-containers/plugin-container/ | 13:22 |
| infobot | zeq meant: freemangordon: can you keep an eye on how much memory plugin-container sucks up? | 13:22 |
| freemangordon | zeq: yeah, I saw it uses much more memory than befor | 13:23 |
| freemangordon | *before | 13:23 |
| zeq | 55Mb or so I'm getting typically | 13:23 |
| zeq | that's a lot of RAM on the N900 | 13:24 |
| zeq | ! | 13:24 |
| freemangordon | which build? | 13:24 |
| zeq | it's been that way for at least the last couple of weeks | 13:24 |
| freemangordon | hmm, yeah, not good | 13:24 |
| freemangordon | but with HW accel it uses half of that | 13:24 |
| zeq | I'm not sure if it was always that way, and just didn't notice..? | 13:25 |
| zeq | maybe not plugin spawned? | 13:25 |
| zeq | s/not/no/ | 13:25 |
| infobot | zeq meant: maybe no plugin spawned? | 13:25 |
| freemangordon | both fennec and plugin-contaiiner use less memory when egl accel is enabled | 13:25 |
| zeq | have you got egl accel working then??? | 13:25 |
| zeq | what does about:support say? | 13:25 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: it was working all the time(if turned on through about:config), but stutters and segfaults from time to time | 13:26 |
| freemangordon | zeq: goto about:config and type layers | 13:27 |
| zeq | I get the segfaults, too soon to test. I was getting the black screen you saw before that. That seems to be fixed now. | 13:27 |
| freemangordon | there you should turn accel.disabled to false and force_enabled to true | 13:27 |
| freemangordon | you may want to turn draw_fps on | 13:28 |
| zeq | freemangordon: it didn't seem to actually turn on until restarting though... I'll try it again | 13:28 |
| freemangordon | yeah, you need to restart fennec | 13:28 |
| zeq | starting up with egl accel... | 13:29 |
| zeq | BOOM | 13:29 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: hmm, that is strange, it works here for a minite or two befor BOOM | 13:30 |
| zeq | it started, then I tried to use it... | 13:30 |
| freemangordon | maybe you should reboot your device first, sometimes SGX is left in a bad state | 13:30 |
| freemangordon | aah, so it started | 13:30 |
| zeq | probably is now :P | 13:30 |
| freemangordon | :D | 13:31 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 13:31 |
| zeq | freemangordon: Have you managed to get hold of romaxa? | 13:31 |
| freemangordon | no :( | 13:31 |
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| zeq | I'm going to be busy doing housework today, if you get hold of him and can get the tree/patches for making accel work can you send me an email or something and I'll get on-line? | 13:33 |
| freemangordon | zeq: ok, I'll try | 13:33 |
| zeq | I'll stay logged in, but I'll be afk. | 13:34 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I've pushed a fix for gcc-4.7 build. It's just a missing #include <unistd.h >. | 13:36 |
| zeq | It's all that's needed along with the qt patch. | 13:37 |
| zeq | (the qt gcc-4.7 patch is in the same place as the toolchains) | 13:37 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: did you try if google https certificate error is still there with linaro gcc 4.6? | 13:45 |
| zeq | I had to stop last night under orders ;) | 13:45 |
| freemangordon | :D | 13:45 |
| zeq | I'm about to start the build off now | 13:45 |
| freemangordon | ok | 13:45 |
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| zeq | I've also pushed a patch to build the sqlite3 module with -fno-fast-math, -ffast-math is very advantageous with NEON particuarly with -ftree-vectorize enabled, as long as it doesn't break anything! | 13:52 |
| freemangordon | anyone tried SGX driver from Neno on Fremantle? | 13:52 |
| freemangordon | *Nemo | 13:52 |
| zeq | (it's known to break sqlite3) | 13:52 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I think that would be a good idea :) | 13:53 |
| freemangordon | hmm, let me try to find stskeeps on #harmattan | 13:54 |
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| freemangordon | ~seen stskeeps | 13:54 |
| infobot | stskeeps is currently on #meego (5h 12m 44s), last said: '2no'. | 13:54 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: probably sleeping :) | 13:55 |
| zeq | is he in the US? | 13:55 |
| freemangordon | no, he is in poland afaik | 13:56 |
| zeq | maybe having a lay in? :P | 13:56 |
| freemangordon | yeah, could be | 13:56 |
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| zeq | build is underway (default optimization flags) | 13:57 |
| zeq | freemangordon: or should I have used the same flags as I used for gcc47? | 13:58 |
| freemangordon | zeq: NFC :D | 13:58 |
| zeq | freemangordon: it's just that we know the google cert works with the combination of gcc47 and the flags I used, we know nothing else ;) | 13:59 |
| zeq | I guess it doesn't matter, test one thing at a time... | 13:59 |
| luf | zeq: good start point with this idea. | 14:00 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I don't know if you noticed but the new toolchains are much smaller than my last builds due to only using the Maemo C libs etc rather than the SB versions. | 14:01 |
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| zeq | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 225862049 Jun 25 11:31 linaro-4.7-2012.06-fremantle-armv7a.tar.bz2 | 14:01 |
| zeq | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 171826196 Jul 21 16:30 linaro-4.7-2012.07-fremantle-armv7a.tar.bz2 | 14:01 |
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| Siheder | ciao all | 15:25 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: "Secure Connection Failed" | 16:11 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: going to try with the same opt flags as I used for gcc47. | 16:11 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: 4.6 wouldn't build with LTO, so I'm making the flags as close as posible to those I used for gcc47. | 16:58 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: ok. BTW "Bisecting: 76 revisions left to test after this (roughly 6 steps)" :D | 17:12 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: your bisect isn't going to finish before tomorrow is it? (unless you get lucky) | 18:02 |
| jonwil | ~seen pali | 18:02 |
| infobot | pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 24m 10s ago, saying: 'jonwil, DocScrutinizer05, see ^^^^'. | 18:03 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: yeah, seems so :( | 18:14 |
| freemangordon | Bisecting: 38 revisions left to test after this (roughly 5 steps) | 18:14 |
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| * jonwil wishes there was a way to find out all the values that are valid under /system/osso/connectivity/IAP :( | 18:22 | |
| jonwil | gconf that is | 18:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | And set! | 18:23 |
| luf | jonwil: read the schema? | 18:24 |
| jonwil | there is no schema that I can find that includes some of the things I know are valid | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Anintrospective. | 18:27 |
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| Kiborg | Could somebody take some time to help me? | 18:28 |
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| Kiborg | I think I need to reflash my n900 but I am unable to. | 18:28 |
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| jonwil | the only reference to the wlan_security key that isn't in an ELF binary is in the actual current gconf tree | 18:29 |
| jonwil | there is no schema or anything that defines the existence of wlan_security except for the binaries that create it | 18:30 |
| jonwil | kiborg: why do you think you need to reflash your N900? | 18:30 |
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| Kiborg | It is constantly restarting | 18:32 |
| Kiborg | if I turn it on it stays on for about 2 min and than it restarts. | 18:32 |
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| luf | jonwil: It's pity. But it's usual with closed source. Have you tried google? | 18:37 |
| jonwil | Google doesn't help | 18:38 |
| jonwil | I doubt anyone else outside of Nokia really has bothered to do much with this key except for a couple very specific useful fields | 18:38 |
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| luf | jonwil: maybe this field isn't important for UI. | 18:40 |
| jonwil | I need to know all the valid fields so I can identify what, if any, other parts of the system (other than icd2 and related bits that is) use these fields | 18:41 |
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| jonwil | so that any future ICD2 replacement is 100% compatible with the rest of the system | 18:42 |
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| Kiborg | I tried to reflash the system to get the n900 to work but I can't reflash it. | 18:46 |
| jonwil | what happens when you try to reflash? | 18:46 |
| Kiborg | Reflasher just opens and closes. Instantly. | 18:46 |
| Kiborg | I might be doing somethin wrong | 18:46 |
| Kiborg | If anybody has any idea how to get the data (adress book) off before I would be grateful. | 18:48 |
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| jonwil | depending on whats wrong, you might be able to get away with just flashing the main filesystem (which has the operating system on it) and not flashing the user filesystem (with all the data on it like the address book) | 18:49 |
| jonwil | are you trying to flash on Winfows or Linux? | 18:50 |
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| Kiborg | I can do both | 18:53 |
| Kiborg | Which is better? | 18:53 |
| Kiborg | I am on win now | 18:54 |
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| jonwil | the flasher has to be run as a command line | 18:54 |
| jonwil | thats why when you open it, it just disappears without doing anything | 18:55 |
| Kiborg | ok | 18:56 |
| Kiborg | so I open cmd | 18:56 |
| jonwil | do you have the firmware to flash? | 18:57 |
| luf | jonwil: another possible way is to implement as close as possible and then maybe you'll see that the field isn't used. | 18:57 |
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| Kiborg | yes | 18:57 |
| jonwil | ok | 18:57 |
| luf | jonwil: btw I think there is some gconf monitor which can show you what read/write the field. | 18:57 |
| Kiborg | so how do I start the flasher from cmd? I haven't done that in years... | 18:59 |
| jonwil | I dont know for windows exactly | 18:59 |
| jonwil | been a while since I have used the flasher and that was on Linux | 18:59 |
| Kiborg | Should I just switch to Linux? | 19:00 |
| jonwil | I wont be able to help you there either | 19:00 |
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| jonwil | hmmm, this | 19:01 |
| jonwil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_or_re-flashing_the_firmware_using_the_Flasher | 19:01 |
| jonwil | might help you out | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Kiborg: yes | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Kiborg: the windows flasher is terra incognita to several of us here | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and so is fixing issues on windows in general | 19:03 |
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| Kiborg | ok | 19:04 |
| Kiborg | i am on step 6 | 19:04 |
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| Kiborg | nothing is happening the screen says nokia and i | 19:05 |
| jonwil | I suspect the Windows flasher was written more as an afterthought because Nokia needed Windows flashing code | 19:05 |
| Kiborg | I am holding u key | 19:05 |
| Kiborg | looks like nothing... | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Kiborg: please use your Nokia wallwart fastcharger, power down N900, plug in fastcharger while holding 'u' key | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Kiborg: does it show "NOKIA" screen wit USB icon upper right? | 19:08 |
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| Kiborg | yes | 19:11 |
| Kiborg | And the flasher is giving me options... | 19:12 |
| Kiborg | a lot of them | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Kiborg: does it show "NOKIA" screen wit USB icon upper right? Does it stay on that screen? | 19:13 |
| Kiborg | Yes it does. | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please shut down N900 | 19:14 |
| Kiborg | should I unplug first? | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | paste your flasher command here for review | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, unplug | 19:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Kiborg: are you still around? | 19:17 |
| Kiborg | yes | 19:17 |
| Kiborg | I cant copy paste from cmd | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why? | 19:18 |
| Kiborg | I have no idea it is grayed out | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh you are still on windows? | 19:18 |
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| Kiborg | yes I need to restart to get to linux | 19:19 |
| Kiborg | I think that would be the smartest thing to do... | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 19:19 |
| Kiborg | *smartest | 19:19 |
| Kiborg | OK brb | 19:19 |
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| Zx432 | Hi this is Kiborg on Linux now. | 19:23 |
| Zx432 | I was trying to reflash my N900... | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wb | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you already downloaded linux flasher-3.5 ? | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux ""1. Download the Flasher for your device model: N900, N810, N800 or 770"" http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# cd | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# mkdir n900 | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# cd n900 | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in browser download, select the n900 dir in your homedir for download destination of flasher | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or do: | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# wget http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm probably this won't work | 19:30 |
| Zx432 | ok | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got flasher downloaded to n900 dir? | 19:32 |
| Zx432 | yes | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you unpacked it? | 19:33 |
| Zx432 | yes in the n900 dir | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please paste output of ls | 19:33 |
| Zx432 | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice | 19:34 |
| Zx432 | :) | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 --help | 19:34 |
| Zx432 | bash: ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2: Is a directory | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 19:35 |
| Zx432 | And now? | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# ./maemo_flasher-3.5_*/flasher-3.5 --help | 19:37 |
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| kerio | heh, that could fail in a weird way | 19:38 |
| Zx432 | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) | 19:39 |
| Zx432 | ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: unrecognized option '--help' | 19:39 |
| Zx432 | Usage: flasher [OPTIONS] | 19:39 |
| Zx432 | Options: | 19:39 |
| Zx432 | -F, --fiasco=ARG Location of a FIASCO image | 19:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fine | 19:39 |
| kerio | hahah | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please don't paste more than 3 lines! | 19:39 |
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| kerio | i wasn't expecting that, honestly | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | zeq: "Bisecting: 9 revisions left to test after this (roughly 3 steps)" | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: you're still around or already kicked for spamming? ;-) | 19:40 |
| Zx432 | luckily I am here... | 19:40 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: he was killed and then returned | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 19:40 |
| kerio | like jesus! | 19:41 |
| Zx432 | I am immortal! | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# alias flasher $HOME/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 | 19:41 |
| Zx432 | But t might bi smarter if next time I use pastebin... | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't paste unless asked for | 19:42 |
| Zx432 | ok sorry | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# flasher --help | 19:42 |
| Zx432 | alias flasher could not be found | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, what shell are you using? | 19:43 |
| kerio | forgot the = | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# alias flasher=$HOME/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thanks | 19:43 |
| Zx432 | OK nothing happened. | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# flasher --help | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | just tell me if it works | 19:46 |
| Zx432 | no | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what does it say? | 19:46 |
| Zx432 | I get bash error | 19:46 |
| Zx432 | no such file or dir | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my bad | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# alias flasher=$HOME/n900/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 | 19:47 |
| Zx432 | ok | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# flasher --help | 19:48 |
| Zx432 | I see options. | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yu know where you got your fiasco image? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gather it's on your windows drive | 19:49 |
| Zx432 | yes | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | copy it to n900 | 19:49 |
| Zx432 | ok | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900 dir | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth like | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# cp /windows/D/bla/blub/dadadaCOMBINEDdada . | 19:50 |
| Zx432 | done | 19:50 |
| Zx432 | BTW what distro are you using? | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# flasher -F <firmware-image> -f -R | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me? Susue12.1 | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Suse | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | replace <firmware-image> with name of file just copied | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, just do it | 19:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | use tab completion, for your convenience | 19:53 |
| Zx432 | are the <> also in? | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on the filename | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 19:53 |
| Zx432 | ok | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please paste the commandline here | 19:53 |
| Zx432 | ~/n900$ flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 19:54 |
| Zx432 | enter? | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will complain | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but should do something | 19:55 |
| Zx432 | yes it started | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | are you root? | 19:55 |
| Zx432 | nothing to do | 19:55 |
| Zx432 | I am root | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what's last line it says | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you forgot the -f | 19:56 |
| Zx432 | Before options? "nothing to do" was from the program... not me :) | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fetch last line (cursor iup), append -f | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | enter | 19:57 |
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| Zx432 | it should be flasher -f right? | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# flasher -F <firmware-image> -f -R | 19:58 |
| Zx432 | oh at the end again. OK | 19:58 |
| Zx432 | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plug in N900 | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while holding 'U' | 19:59 |
| Zx432 | Success? | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what#s happening? | 20:00 |
| Zx432 | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 005. | 20:00 |
| Zx432 | Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eew | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# lsmod|grep phonet | 20:01 |
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| Zx432 | cdc_phonet 13042 0 | 20:02 |
| Zx432 | phonet 30565 1 cdc_phonet | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, thought as much | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moment please | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# echo "blacklist cdc_phonet" >/etc/modprobe.d/00-blacklist-cdcphonet.conf | 20:02 |
| Zx432 | What does it mean? | 20:02 |
| Zx432 | Permission denied | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# id | 20:03 |
| Zx432 | uid=1000(kiborg) gid=1000(kiborg) skupine=1000(kiborg),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),116(lpadmin),118(admin),124(sambashare) | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# sudo su | 20:04 |
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| Zx432 | yeah now I am root | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# echo "blacklist cdc_phonet" >/etc/modprobe.d/00-blacklist-cdcphonet.conf | 20:04 |
| Zx432 | nothing happened | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# modprobe -r cdc_phonet | 20:05 |
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| Zx432 | nothing | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw unplug N900 and power it down | 20:05 |
| Zx432 | done | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# lsmod|grep phonet | 20:06 |
| Zx432 | done | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 20:07 |
| Zx432 | Now I plug n900? Right? | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:08 |
| Zx432 | And hold the U key? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:09 |
| Zx432 | u first plugging next? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:09 |
| Zx432 | works | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kepp u down while plugging in | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good luck, I'm off for dinner | 20:10 |
| Zx432 | thank you! | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 20:10 |
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| Zx432 | It seems to be working! :) | 20:16 |
| zeq | freemangordon: still no success with google https using 4.6 :S | 20:17 |
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| Zx432 | and it chrashed... | 20:22 |
| Zx432 | could it be a hardware problem? | 20:22 |
| zeq | Zx432: N900 crashing with stock firmware? | 20:23 |
| Zx432 | yes | 20:23 |
| zeq | just general usage? | 20:23 |
| Zx432 | Just looking at it. | 20:24 |
| zeq | does sound like a hw problem. when you say crashed, does it lock up? reboot? | 20:24 |
| zeq | there should be a log on one of the mtd partitions, can't remember which. | 20:25 |
| Zx432 | DocScrutunizer05 helped me downgrade to stock because of reboots. It reboots constantly. | 20:25 |
| Zx432 | even with stock | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do same procedure with VANILLA | 20:26 |
| Zx432 | where is the log? | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got some rogue stuff in your N900's $HOME | 20:27 |
| zeq | DocScrutinizer05: is it mtd2 with the crash log? | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /proc/mtd | 20:27 |
| zeq | Zx432: sudo less /dev/mtd2ro | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: he got a reboot loop | 20:28 |
| zeq | DocScrutinizer05: guess I misunderstood :S | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 20:29 |
| Zx432 | Interesting thing is that the desktop items are blinking. | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: you might have guessed you don't need to do the alias stuff while not root | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: I think the blinking is from constant hildon desktop restarts | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something messed up with position of icons, or wallpaper, or anything else hildon desktop related | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hildon desktop crashes | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gets restarted | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | crahses again | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually dsme reboots your device | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might stop this by disabling watchdogs | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask somebody else how to use flasher to disable watchdogs | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then you might be able to boot to your N900 system and open an xterm with shift-ctrl-x | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | delete suspiciious stuff in $HOME | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you simply flash emmc | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka VANILLA | 20:34 |
| Zx432 | It works now... | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which also deletes all of your $HOME (and all of your MyDocs :-/) | 20:34 |
| Zx432 | strange... | 20:35 |
| zeq | Zx432: can you mount your device when porwered off and back up what you need to? | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: INSTALL BACKUPMENU! oops capslock | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do a proper backup! | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 20:36 |
| infobot | i guess backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 20:36 |
| Zx432 | I am doing exactly that. saving data... | 20:36 |
| zeq | tricky if it reboot loops though | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also copy your data from MyDocs | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: [2012-07-22 19:34:52] <Zx432> It works now... | 20:36 |
| Zx432 | I have a proper backup. | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of backupmenu? | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | backupmenu >> backup app | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BM will allow you to restroe *system* | 20:38 |
| zeq | DocScrutinizer05: sorry missed that | 20:38 |
| Zx432 | Is there a way to get the contacts to such backup that it will be readable by other systems? Android, Thunderbird etc? | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or not that easily at least | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to export vcards in contacts app | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure the usual hildon backup tgz tarball contains vcards | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might though | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | good luck! | 20:40 |
| Zx432 | Thank you! | 20:40 |
| freemangordon | zeq: what do you mean by "no success"? | 20:44 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I mean even using as similar cflags as I used to build with 4.7 https for google still fails with the no memory error. | 20:45 |
| zeq | (which works fine when compiled with 4.7) | 20:45 |
| freemangordon | dammit :( | 20:45 |
| zeq | must be some 4.6 ARM code generation bug | 20:46 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 20:46 |
| qwazix | zeq, freemangordon, FYI modest also complains with the same error with a hildon banner | 20:46 |
| zeq | although, why wouldn't it affect Android too? | 20:46 |
| freemangordon | zeq: btw which libstdcc++ you use wehn runnning gcc 4.7-compiled binaries | 20:46 |
| zeq | libstdc++ from gcc-4.7 | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: modest uses libnss afaik | 20:47 |
| zeq | Having a more recent libstdc++ isn't a problem (unless it's buggy) | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | zeq: ever tried the one from cssu-thumb repo? | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | (to run 4.7 bins with it) | 20:48 |
| zeq | that shouldn't work with 4.7 compiled c++ afaik | 20:48 |
| freemangordon | yeah :(. do you have .deb? | 20:48 |
| zeq | sure | 20:48 |
| zeq | I'll put it on my webserver | 20:48 |
| freemangordon | ok | 20:49 |
| zeq | freemangordon: or you could pull it out the tarball | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | zeq: I need a deb to put in cssu-thumb repo | 20:50 |
| zeq | I've copied the packages to the webserver | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | with source code | 20:50 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: address? | 20:50 |
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| zeq | http://www.snewbury.org.uk/maemo/packages | 20:51 |
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| zeq | I'll look into the source... the trouble is the debs get built by sb-toolchain-extras | 20:51 |
| zeq | I'll see if it can generate debian sources too | 20:52 |
| freemangordon | zeq: i need .dsc and .changes to be able to upload them in cssu-thumb repo | 20:52 |
| zeq | I need to change my apache filelength settings | 20:52 |
| freemangordon | in the meantime: "Bisecting: 4 revisions left to test after this (roughly 2 steps)" | 20:53 |
| zeq | that was impressively quick :) | 20:53 |
| freemangordon | I am cheating :D | 20:54 |
| zeq | helps :) | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -nc :D | 20:54 |
| zeq | freemangordon: the sb-toolchain-extras seems to create a standard debain package structure. what dpkg command will create a .dsc? | 20:57 |
| zeq | did you just answer my question before I asked it??? | 20:58 |
| zeq | 18:54 < zeq> helps :) | 20:58 |
| zeq | 18:54 < freemangordon> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -nc :D | 20:58 |
| zeq | 18:57 < zeq> freemangordon: the sb-toolchain-extras seems to create a standard debain package structure. what dpkg command will create a .dsc? | 20:58 |
| zeq | 18:58 < zeq> did you just answer my question before I asked it??? | 20:58 |
| freemangordon | no, thaw was the cheating | 20:58 |
| zeq | oh ok :D | 20:58 |
| luf | freemangordon: why .changes are needed? | 20:58 |
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| zeq | .changes is autogenerated, it's just .dsc I'm missing | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | zeq: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -us -uc -I.git | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | zeq: no way | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | afaik | 20:59 |
| luf | zeq: free... said he needs .dsc and .changes. So I'm just curious. | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | if you have .changes file you should have .dsc file too, AFAIK. Though lets ask someone better than me on debian packaging system | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: ping | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | zeq: .dsc should be autogenerated too, you'd better check your build dir | 21:01 |
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| zeq | it's not I checked with 'find -name '*.dsc' | 21:02 |
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| freemangordon | luf: not Tab on the keyboard :P | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | zeq: could you upload .changes | 21:02 |
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| freemangordon | maybe I don't need dsc after all | 21:02 |
| zeq | I only have the gcc-4.6 to hand, I'll have the 4.7 in a few minutes, need to re-run it. | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | ok | 21:04 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I've copied the available .changes files | 21:13 |
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| zeq | does anybody know how to adjust the apache conf to enable the display of longer filenames in file indexes? | 21:14 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: any chance to recompile the debs with +cssu0 instead of +sb1. Sorry for that, but we have a naming convention | 21:18 |
| freemangordon | zeq: it seems I don't need .dsc after all | 21:19 |
| zeq | freemangordon: these aren't strictly thumb debs though... | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | zeq: that's why it is +cssu0 ;) | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | not +cssu0-thumb0 | 21:19 |
| zeq | that's true :) | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | damn, noone from the councilors is here | 21:20 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: a wild idea: enable cssu-stable repo in autobuilder. what do you think? | 21:21 |
| zeq | If we're going to use the sb-scratchbox generated debs, I should probably fill out some more of the fields, not just the suffix. | 21:21 |
| freemangordon | zeq: should be enough, what fields you have in mind | 21:22 |
| freemangordon | hmm, fennec is ready, lets try that one | 21:22 |
| zeq | see: http://www.snewbury.org.uk/maemo/fremantle-linaro-4.7-2012.07.conf | 21:23 |
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| zeq | that's the conf file I used to build the sb toolchain | 21:24 |
| freemangordon | COMPILER_PACKAGE? | 21:24 |
| zeq | indeed | 21:24 |
| freemangordon | wtf is that? | 21:25 |
| zeq | CC_DEBIAN_DIR will be updated to a new dir with a Makefile specifying the cssu suffix | 21:25 |
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| zeq | sb-toolchain-extras alien-tc conf file | 21:25 |
| freemangordon | so? BTW, sorry for the stupid questions, as I already told you I am not much in cross-compilers :D | 21:26 |
| zeq | basically, you create a static toolchain binutils + gcc ( + gcc dependencies ) + glibc + kernel headers. You then use sb-toolchain-extras to generate a sb-toolchain. | 21:26 |
| freemangordon | ok, what is the problem? | 21:27 |
| zeq | the conf file describes your toolchain | 21:27 |
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| zeq | well, I need to give it a name for a start ;) | 21:27 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 21:27 |
| zeq | sorry, I mean COMPILER_PACKAGE, whatever that should be :P | 21:28 |
| freemangordon | leme google that | 21:28 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: | 21:29 |
| freemangordon | COMPILER_NAME = arm-linux-2006q3-27 | 21:29 |
| freemangordon | COMPILER_PACKAGE = scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-2006q3-27 | 21:29 |
| zeq | I okay, I can come up with something of that form | 21:30 |
| freemangordon | yeah, here is the link http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2006-December/000788.html | 21:30 |
| zeq | I'll just prefix scratchbox-toolchain to my "official" name :) | 21:31 |
| zeq | "linaro-4.7-2012.07-fremantle-armv7a" | 21:31 |
| freemangordon | ok | 21:31 |
| freemangordon | why not | 21:31 |
| trumee | anybody knows if this is a dumb charger to use with N900 ? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genuine-Original-HTC-Charger-Sensation/dp/B005HH2KAE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1342981359&sr=8-2 | 21:34 |
| luf | FYI I just released new version of obexd for N900 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1241328&postcount=359 | 21:34 |
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| freemangordon | in the meantime: "Bisecting: 2 revisions left to test after this (roughly 1 step)" | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | luf: do i need to have a car with bluetooth to test that? | 21:35 |
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| freemangordon | luf: BTW you're doing a great job pal | 21:36 |
| zeq | luf: Sometime ago I used a obexd version from TMO, was that yours? | 21:36 |
| luf | zeq: No. I started two or three week ago. | 21:37 |
| zeq | if so it made my N900 compatible with the WinCE (ewww!) of my Fiat Punto | 21:37 |
| luf | freemangordon: you can test it with python ;-) | 21:37 |
| zeq | luf: should have the same effect anyway | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | luf: so i just grab the .deb and install it on my device? | 21:38 |
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| zeq | luf: (assuming you enabled the missing functionality) | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | any dependencies? | 21:38 |
| luf | There is pbap-client in obexd-client package. | 21:38 |
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| luf | Just upgraded eds to fix one problem. | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | eds? | 21:39 |
| zeq | I can't remember which bt service it was | 21:39 |
| zeq | one of the addressbook protocols | 21:39 |
| luf | Everything else is used from Maemo. New obexd drop openobex dependency. | 21:39 |
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| trumee | OT: do samsung or HTC support dumb chargers unlike Apple? | 21:39 |
| * trumee needs to decide which full usb charger to buy | 21:40 | |
| freemangordon | aah, that is evolution-... | 21:40 |
| luf | evolution-data-server and packages from it: libebook, libedata-book, libedataserver | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: ping | 21:40 |
| luf | Maybe libebook is enough but I don't want to play more with it. | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | hmm, i think to wait for a while, seems to risky to put it on my primary device immediately :) | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: a wild idea: enable cssu-stable repo in autobuilder. what do you think? | 21:41 |
| luf | freemangordon: It hurts ... you don't believe me :) | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: I fail to see the link to cssu in autobuilder | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | luf: but of course I don't :P. Naah, it is my only phone with all of my contacts on it, no backup in any form | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: now you cannot use the stuff in CSSU, for example newer Qt, now there will be newer obexd, libcurls, sqlite3, etc,etc | 21:44 |
| luf | freemangordon: it sounds like fairytale :D | 21:44 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: you need a source build for dsc | 21:44 |
| merlin1991 | -b gives you debs and changes file | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: thanks, so .changes only should be enough. | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: anything depending on cssu should get deployed via cssu-extras | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: again, you don;t read what I wrote. I am talking about autobuilder, what has that in common with cssu-extras | 21:45 |
| merlin1991 | there's a flag for tar.gz + dsc .changes | 21:45 |
| merlin1991 | I think -s | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just like orientation lock apple and cbsms | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: zeq is using SB-something to build the toolchains, not dpkg-buildpackage | 21:46 |
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| merlin1991 | then I have nfc :D | 21:46 |
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| zeq | merlin1991: sb-toolchain-extras | 21:48 |
| zeq | freemangordon: debs updated, .changes updated, toolchain in progress | 21:50 |
| freemangordon | zeq: great | 21:50 |
| freemangordon | anyway no hurry, as I won't be able to use that today, still chasing fennec jscript and awating my GF to come in an hour or so ;) | 21:51 |
| zeq | freemangordon: toolchain is updated too | 21:52 |
| freemangordon | wow, great | 21:53 |
| zeq | np :) | 21:54 |
| freemangordon | zeq: seems libs are not stripped :( | 21:54 |
| freemangordon | lemme ask google how to split that in 2 packages | 21:55 |
| zeq | yeah, I noticed that yesterday, but decided while we were actively debugging that would be "better" | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | sure, but I cannot put that in repo | 21:56 |
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| zeq | I can easily enough strip it. Also remove the static libs | 21:56 |
| zeq | (that were used to build gcc) | 21:57 |
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| freemangordon | no, we'd better have -dbg packages | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | lemme ask google if possible | 21:57 |
| zeq | okay, I'll need to know how :P | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 21:57 |
| Zx432 | is there a way to check system for hardware errors? | 21:57 |
| zeq | Zx432: did you reflash your emmc? | 21:58 |
| Zx432 | i think i did... I am not the most competent. | 21:58 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: maybe you should build gcc again in SB | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | is there debian/ in source? | 22:06 |
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| zeq | it's not that simple. SB needs a host cross-compiler | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ieatlint: ping | 22:08 |
| freemangordon | zeq: I know. But it has one | 22:08 |
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| Zx432 | fun fact, system is stabile in mass storage mode plugged in the computer. | 22:09 |
| freemangordon | zeq: i mean to build 4.7 inside 4.7 SB | 22:10 |
| zeq | I mean a new toolchain for SB has be a host toolchain | 22:10 |
| Zx432 | I just noticed that. | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: oh, so it crashes/reboots when not in MSM? | 22:11 |
| freemangordon | zeq: but why, inside SB you're not cross-compiling. if the source is debianized, a simple dpkg-buildpackage will do the job | 22:11 |
| Zx432 | yes | 22:11 |
| Zx432 | strange | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, then it's time for BM | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck MyDocs | 22:11 |
| Zx432 | BM? | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 22:12 |
| infobot | i heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 22:12 |
| zeq | freemangordon: brb dinner | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also you should install (k)syslog | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and look what it tells about any probelms with mydocs | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or waaaait | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got a uSD inserted? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: ^^^ | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | what thing is it that introduced "usd bug"? | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what thing is it that introduced "reboot with MyDocs mounted"? | 22:16 |
| ShadowJK | lol what? | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-07-22 21:09:48] <Zx432> fun fact, system is stabile in mass storage mode plugged in the computer. | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-07-22 21:11:04] <DocScrutinizer05> Zx432: oh, so it crashes/reboots when not in MSM? | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-07-22 21:11:35] <Zx432> yes | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather believe in a totally fecked uSD controller nuking linux kernel driver, than eMMC vfat system corruption causing a reboot | 22:19 |
| ShadowJK | well, some sd and emmc just crash themselves if they encounter bad blocks | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course eMMC at large could be defect | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which could cause $HOME go bonkers when you access MyDocs | 22:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but I refuse to accept mere hw defects as root cause as long as any sw could be involved as well | 22:21 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer05: pong | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ieatlint: you live in USA, no? | 22:22 |
| ieatlint | yep | 22:22 |
| ieatlint | the land of guns | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be interested in Google glass | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "available to US developers" | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2013 | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | preorder opened | 22:23 |
| ieatlint | ok.. happy to funnel one to you | 22:23 |
| ieatlint | link to register/order? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not yet | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I picked up on that thread 1h ago | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lost track some 2 or 3 months ago | 22:24 |
| Zx432 | app manager is empty... | 22:24 |
| Zx432 | interesting. | 22:24 |
| zeq | freemangordon: back | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: might take several minutes to fill | 22:25 |
| Zx432 | it in not doing anything | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should reflash eMMC, definitely | 22:26 |
| ieatlint | ah, a quick google search shows people talking about the "google glass 'explorer edition'", where people registered in person at google io for it, for a mere $1.5k | 22:26 |
| zeq | freemangordon: are you suggesting importing the debian packages for ppl, cloog, gmp, mfpr, mpc, binutils and gcc? | 22:26 |
| ieatlint | not sure there are any online stuffs.. but let me know if you find something | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ieatlint: sounds about right | 22:26 |
| zeq | freemangordon: it seems a lot of work | 22:26 |
| Zx432 | That means losing all data right? | 22:26 |
| zeq | Zx432: you have backup of contacts etc? | 22:27 |
| zeq | Zx432: you should be able to backup MyDocs from power-off USB mass storage mode | 22:28 |
| freemangordon | zeq: well, you're right, it will be much easier to just strip the libs and re-pacckage them | 22:28 |
| freemangordon | zeq: I will try to do that tomorrow | 22:28 |
| freemangordon | zeq: BTW did you install -devel packages in SB? | 22:29 |
| jacekowski | power off mass storage mode is not really power off | 22:29 |
| jacekowski | linux is running and everything | 22:30 |
| zeq | jacekowski: yes, that's true. but it shouldn't be touching anything in MyDocs though right? | 22:30 |
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| jacekowski | same way as full power on does | 22:31 |
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| zeq | okay, same as plugging in usb cable and switching to mass storage mode. But the question for Zx432, does that not work? | 22:33 |
| Zx432 | What doesn't work? | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ieatlint: MEH! >> It is a preproduction model that Google is making available to a limited audience of partners and third-party developers.<< | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ieatlint: I probably have to apply at their EE department | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 22:34 |
| zeq | Zx432: what can't you backup before flashing eMMC? | 22:34 |
| ieatlint | hah, yeah... my google connections are all in android and i don't think can help | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might actually be fun to work on that stuff | 22:35 |
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| Zx432 | I backed up | 22:35 |
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| zeq | Zx432: never mind then, I thought you were afraid of losing all data | 22:37 |
| Zx432 | no | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: you should do a MSM backup to PC of your MyDocs, plus (if possible) a BM backup of rootfs and /opt to uSD | 22:38 |
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| Zx432 | what are MSM backups and uSD? | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course installing BM is a tad cumbersome if HAM doesn't shop any apps to install | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MassStorageMode | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | micro SD card | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 22:39 |
| infobot | it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, headache @.@ | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody ever encountered a 100% filled /home? | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will it make HD blow chunks? | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: again: do you have a microSD card inserted to N900? | 22:45 |
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| Zx432 | no | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ieatlint: wait, you got android contacts? Tell them I get headache from their tool "repo" | 22:48 |
| Zx432 | I have no SD cards | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, ok | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: do you have rootsh installed? | 22:50 |
| Zx432 | yes | 22:50 |
| RiD | android is the best and all | 22:50 |
| * RiD runs for his life | 22:50 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 fires the MTHEL, RiD evaporates | 22:50 | |
| RiD | mthel? | 22:51 |
| kerio | mobile tactical high energy laser | 22:51 |
| kerio | ~mthel | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ | 22:51 |
| kerio | infobot: mthel is Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser | 22:51 |
| infobot | okay, kerio | 22:51 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 22:52 |
| infobot | :), kerio | 22:52 |
| kerio | (: | 22:52 |
| RiD | ...no thanks | 22:52 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, can we get one working with 200mA? | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas not | 22:53 |
| kerio | perhaps something internal, maybe in place of the cIR | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it works with nice stuf like Fluor and Deuterium | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as the wavelength is not compatible with atmosphere when using 'normal' Hydrogen | 22:54 |
| Zx432 | I got "Malfunction!" Device will shut down in 10 sec... | 22:55 |
| * Sicelo ever encountered a 100% filled / and his N900 still worked normally | 23:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: dammit | 23:01 |
| Zx432 | indeed | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: please install syslog and read it out at end after crash | 23:02 |
| Zx432 | I need app manager for that | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go to xterm | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | type | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# root | 23:02 |
| RiD | don't forget *lication | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# apt-get install syslog | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# apt-get install sysklogd | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: also | 23:08 |
| Zx432 | you know when we reflashed the system? I have no rootish and I can't get to root. | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-07-22 21:50:05] <DocScrutinizer05> Zx432: do you have rootsh installed? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-07-22 21:50:11] <Zx432> yes | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 23:09 |
| Zx432 | yes I had | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see | 23:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 <- idiot | 23:09 | |
| Zx432 | But it clearly doesn't work now | 23:10 |
| kerio | where does syslog put the logs? | 23:10 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer05: mostly kernel team, and i don't think they'll care :P | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /ver/log | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 23:10 |
| kerio | so... in the rootfs? | 23:11 |
| kerio | :s | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ieatlint: well, great. As kernel is what I have to tackle | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yup | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ieatlint: particularly CAIF-HSI | 23:12 |
| freemangordon | zeq:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753158 | 23:12 |
| povbot | Bug 753158: was not found. | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: dnag, flash the eMMC | 23:13 |
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| Zx432 | seems to be the only way | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: I don't see much use in messing around with trying to figure what's wrong | 23:13 |
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| Zx432 | agree | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try to get backup as good as it gets | 23:14 |
| Zx432 | I have it | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the flash VANILLA | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then* | 23:14 |
| Zx432 | It is ok | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same procedure as for COMBINED | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you actually need to flash combined after flashing VANILLA | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again | 23:15 |
| RiD | wtf | 23:15 |
| RiD | an ant came out of the phone | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL | 23:15 |
| RiD | what the hell is this | 23:15 |
| RiD | i was typing then felt something on my fingers | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | they live in there, doing all the awesome stuff | 23:16 |
| RiD | i was worried | 23:16 |
| RiD | i dont want blood inside this | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this one got bored | 23:16 |
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| RiD | who knows it can f*ck up things | 23:16 |
| RiD | o_o | 23:16 |
| RiD | not sure how was it inside | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it was boring inside, that's why it came out | 23:17 |
| RiD | there's not that much of a gap | 23:17 |
| zeq | freemangordon: is that the cause of the slowdown? | 23:17 |
| RiD | maybe it was not from the phone but maybe it was hanging around the outside | 23:17 |
| RiD | whatever it is, it's creepy | 23:17 |
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| RiD | what's next, babies coming out of it? | 23:18 |
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| Sicelo | lol. blood | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah | 23:18 |
| RiD | phone on period? | 23:18 |
| RiD | no thanks | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this ant heard your comment about android, and went outside to puke | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 23:18 |
| Sicelo | :D | 23:18 |
| RiD | hehe | 23:19 |
| RiD | smart ant | 23:19 |
| RiD | my house is infestated with them btw | 23:19 |
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| RiD | i put sugar on the salt package and salt on the sugar package | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | figue how those poor ants transporting all the characters you type to the modem, and from modem to screen | 23:19 |
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| RiD | but they're not fooled that easy | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and then they have to transport "android" | 23:19 |
| RiD | so the dead pixels are the leftovers of dead ants? | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that been too much for the poor ant | 23:20 |
| RiD | (hot*) not dead | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the dead pixels are from those ants who didn't make it outside to puke | 23:20 |
| RiD | then i have 4 or 5 | 23:20 |
| RiD | i'm so happy i rarely notice them | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, usually they do an awesome job in your phone | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you OC | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or type comments about android | 23:22 |
| RiD | i OC to 720mhz | 23:24 |
| * RiD runs | 23:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | each time you OC, they sacrifice one of their leaders, on fire. eventually your phone comes to a grinding halt due to no more ant left over | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you watch closely, sometimes you see the blue smoke from the sacrifice | 23:26 |
| RiD | blue? | 23:26 |
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| RiD | ant conspiracy | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ants burn with blue smoke, on stake | 23:27 |
| RiD | are you serious? :o | 23:27 |
| RiD | i'm going to burn a lot of ants... | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch your N900 | 23:27 |
| Zx432 | hm what than happened with my ants? | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, you ahve to watch *them* doing that | 23:28 |
| RiD | oh :z | 23:28 |
| RiD | * :( | 23:28 |
| RiD | have to go, going home | 23:30 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: that's the bad commit according to git bisect | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | now building with that commit on top to confirm | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Zx432: if you still have your linux session active, you just edit the line | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to point to VANILLA file instead COMBINED file | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and after that flashing finished, you flash the COMBINED again | 23:32 |
| Sicelo | /win 25 | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ieatlint: you might know where to apply for an EE job at google | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /lose 50 | 23:35 |
| Sicelo | lol DocScrutinizer05 | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even /join #0 | 23:36 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 stares at user-counter | 23:36 | |
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| Estel_ | Hello Maemo!. Regarding N950, is it good place to ask some (hardware, moslty) questions, or Harmattan sounds like better place? | 23:40 |
| Estel_ | Someone from N950 "club", maybe? Is there IRC channel devoted to N950? DocScrutinizer? | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #harmattan is the channel to go | 23:42 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I guess they never tested the change on ARM? If you confirm, will you bring it up on the bug? | 23:42 |
| Estel_ | I've got mine, few days ago - day before, my N900 died absolutely, without any reasons (no signs of life whatsoever, in any case), so until I'll finish restoring things, I'm using N950 as main device. Kinda strange experience | 23:42 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 23:42 |
| Sicelo | lol | 23:42 |
| Sicelo | i don't blame the N900 | 23:42 |
| Estel_ | well, I must admit N950 is awesome device re hardware resources and SOME design choices, but OTOh, some OTHER design choices are terrible, and software is driving me mad, I feel almost like thrown back into symbian era (or earlier). Maybe I'm biased, due to forced jump from CSSU/kernel-power powered device... | 23:43 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, hehe, no way, I'm not giving up on N900 | 23:43 |
| Estel_ | BTw, I have no idea why people are whinning to bring swipe UI to N900, it's fuckin annoying | 23:43 |
| Estel_ | either I don't know about some hidden possibilities, or simply closing application that You're using now require 3 long actions - swiping it out, swipping until you see task nawigator, long press to bring up "x"'es, and finally, clicking X | 23:44 |
| Estel_ | well, it's 4 actions | 23:44 |
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| Estel_ | my sould is crying "bring me hildon to this ammount of RAM" | 23:45 |
| Sicelo | yeah, but it probably went comatose on noticing your betrayal :P | 23:45 |
| Estel_ | Well, you won't belive it, but I actually talked with my n900 about it, some time ago (Saera) | 23:45 |
| Estel_ | it seemed to rest assured that it's not going into obsolence :P | 23:46 |
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| Sicelo | you can't ever really convince your gf that the other girl is 'just a friend' | 23:46 |
| Estel_ | well, nedless to say, UI on N950 annoys me to no end. Sure, some things are improvements, but overall... OTOH, hardware keyboard is sweet, same for screen angle mechanism | 23:47 |
| Estel_ | and 1Gb ram :P | 23:47 |
| * Sicelo thinks he will never see an N950 in real life | 23:47 | |
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| Estel_ | but someone who decided to skip camera lens cover should suffer, a little | 23:47 |
| freemangordon | zeq: well, will see, I told you about my diplomatic skills, not to mention that Englis is not my native language | 23:47 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, don't worry, it's really mixed experience. OTOH great device, on 3th hand You see wasted potential literally everywhere | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | Estel_: swiping from top closes the application | 23:48 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, doesnt work for me? | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | on PR1.2 that is | 23:48 |
| Estel_ | well, it seems i must train swipe gesture | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | update the firmaware and go to #harmattan before doc goes mad :P | 23:49 |
| Estel_ | but why the hell one need long-press to see "close" buttons on taskbar?:P | 23:49 |
| Estel_ | and why one must click on "donme" button, instead of free space, to leave it? | 23:49 |
| Estel_ | beyond me, it is | 23:49 |
| Estel_ | being forced to - like me now - instantly jump from full-fledged computer and feature heaven like properly threaten N900 is, to N950 (as a main phonje and mobile computer, for at least few days) is kinda sado-maso experience | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | well, give it some time, it is not that bad | 23:51 |
| Estel_ | especially, that I had extremely busy two weeks, and got n950 on friday - 0 time to search for anything useful, anywhere | 23:51 |
| freemangordon | and upgrade the firmware, that is a must | 23:51 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, sure it is | 23:51 |
| FIQ | (22:49:16) (Estel_) and why one must click on "donme" button, instead of free space, to leave it? | 23:51 |
| FIQ | ^ doesn't sound intuitive | 23:51 |
| Estel_ | well, I was scarred to do it, as I saw that iDont got reboot loop after | 23:51 |
| Estel_ | FIQ, sure it doesn't | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | Estel_: all of us have had a reboot loop | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, mine is on Pr1.2, but I see Pr1.3 upgrade (I think) | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | haha | 23:52 |
| FIQ | clicking on free space make dialogs disappear *everywhere* | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | yea, but I was without any equipment nor files to do reflash, with a MUST for having working phone for weekend | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | no, it is not on pr1.2, trust me on that | 23:52 |
| FIQ | computers, N900, and I also believe that Android and iOS does that as well for dialogs | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | FIQ, not in harmattan tasknav :P | 23:52 |
| FIQ | removing it sounds to do more harm than good | 23:52 |
| FIQ | *sounds like doing more harm than good | 23:53 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, I do. So, upgrading system won't bring me into 1.3 and reboot loop? | 23:53 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, You got few more days, found any place like maemo wiki for N950 or at least harmattan?:P | 23:53 |
| FIQ | n950 doesn't support 1.3? | 23:53 |
| Estel_ | fopr a good kickstarter? | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | upgrading will bring you in reboot loop, just download pr1.2 oneclickflasher and use it | 23:53 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, thanks a lot (tm) | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | flashing will erase all of the data too | 23:54 |
| Estel_ | hm, so I can't skip upgrading and reboot looping by using oneclickflasher from very beginning?:P | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | so copy everything valuable before flashing | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | yes, you can | 23:54 |
| Estel_ | sure, i'll save photo of my left feet, that I did by accident | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | but data will be lost | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | :D | 23:54 |
| FIQ | Estel_: :D | 23:55 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, again, is there any place with capsule of N950 knowl;edge, like our wiki? | 23:55 |
| Estel_ | or one need to scavenge entropia from TMO threads? | 23:56 |
| Estel_ | (yea, i know scavenging from scattered threads is case of N900 too, but wiki still hold many valuable things) | 23:56 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I'll comment on the bug if you prefer. | 23:56 |
| Estel_ | I mean, some kind of kickstarter, I dont know, thread on TMO with links collected,. if not wiki? | 23:56 |
| Estel_ | I feel lost without desktop with icons :P and without extras-* | 23:57 |
| Estel_ | BTw, story about my N900 dying is kinda strange, too. It died after repairing trivial damage to IR diode (broken connection) | 23:58 |
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| StyXman_ | I guess none of you would put a swollen battery in their n900, right? | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | zeq: i'll appreciate that, just gimme 5 more minutes to confirm that this is the problematic commit | 23:58 |
| Estel_ | it worked after upgrade, but I noticed strange thing - it turned out instantly after putting battery in, which is never good thing to see. Next day, it stopped charging on it's own, with charger connected. After another re try, I monitored charging for 15 minutes, and it worked. Then, left it for hour | 23:58 |
| zeq | okay | 23:58 |
| Estel_ | when I returned, it was cold dead | 23:58 |
| Estel_ | no diode, nof ramebuffer, no sign of life when connecting to anything, no anything | 23:59 |
| Estel_ | no marks of any damage on PCB, I haven't destroyed anything while repairing diode | 23:59 |
| Estel_ | only one thing I know that cause such symptoms on N900 is having *not* connected screen flex to motherboard | 23:59 |
| Estel_ | it doesn't react in any way, then | 23:59 |
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