IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-07-19

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DocScrutinizer06OK :-(00:24
DocScrutinizer06oops, ECHAN00:25
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RiDDocScrutinizer06 why 06? why not 05?00:29
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ZogG_laptopi miss DocScrutinizer51 mostly00:30
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ZogG_laptophe was good guy00:30
DocScrutinizer05~seen DocScrutinizer5100:30
infobotdocscrutinizer51 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #openmoko #maemo-ssu #qi-hardware #openmoko-cdevel. Has said a total of 128 messages. Is idling for 1h 46m 12s, last said: 'fine, just need to come home'.00:30
ZogG_laptopoh DocScrutinizer05 i know you are good at HW00:31
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: n950's cpu is armv7a right?00:32
RiDno it's armv11. slow.00:34
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DocScrutinizer05ZogG_laptop: it's the same CPU as in N900:36
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ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: which would be the one i told above right?00:39
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Woody14619Best line ever... Laughed my ass off:   <vi__> I may as well be flapping at the screen like a spastic walrus.00:45
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RiDspastic walrus!! :D00:48
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DocScrutinizer05I wouldn't have bothered to answer if it wasn't for that line00:49
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ZogG_laptopWoody14619: sup00:51
RiDwak wak00:55
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Woody14619Best line ever. :)00:57
Woody14619ZogG_laptop: not much... waiting between test runs.  (I really need to shorten this setup routine, or at least try to init separate hardware bits in parallel where I can... I hate inherited code. :P00:58
ZogG_laptopWoody14619: so, how is OBS progress going?00:59
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Woody14619Zogg_laptop: no update or real progress since the last meeting.  We're working on another project right now to lower x-fade's workload.  Between that and javispedro being back from his trip, we may see progress and an update soon though (I hope. :)01:05
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ZogG_laptopwhat another project?01:08
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Woody14619No, taking over some of the maint issues so he has more time for other things.01:11
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jogaI was ssh'ing and suddenly got "Operation temporarily disabled due to low memory" notification, after a while I could dismiss it without it appearing again, but never had that happen before08:17
jogadoes it do something particular when that happens?08:19
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jacekowskijoga: it does exactly what it says on a tin08:51
jacekowskijoga: it stops a lot of stuff when memory is low08:51
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jacekowskijoga: but that's flash memory not ram memory08:52
jacekowskias in rootfs08:53
jacekowskiif that runs down to 008:53
jacekowskiyou are going to end up with bootloop08:53
jogahmm, I have about 33M there08:53
joganot sure why it would have filled it just now08:53
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DocScrutinizer05please all SB users stay tuned for Pali's mail to community/devel ML, about annoying bug in SB config10:20
DocScrutinizer05for now you could do ~# cat /scratchbox/users/*/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL.environment10:21
DocScrutinizer05and see if there's thumb in there10:21
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DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: (it stops a lot of stuff when memory is low. joga: but that's flash memory not ram memory) err nope10:36
DocScrutinizer05"Operation temporarily disabled due to low memory" notification is clearly related to RAM shortage10:36
DocScrutinizer05(incl swap)10:36
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jogasounds like it10:36
jogaI added a couple widgets lately (oculo and sticky notes), maybe that contributed10:37
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joga(well, a week or two ago actually)10:37
DocScrutinizer05hildon is stopping and freeing several preloaded processes like brwoserd, modest, dialer whatnot10:38
DocScrutinizer05a simple htop should tell who's eating your RAM10:38
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DocScrutinizer05btw those stopped processes also get restarted once RAM situation is less critical10:39
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jogaxorg and browserd are at the top currently, I couldn't look into it when I got the notification10:40
DocScrutinizer05maybe you did some 'silly' stuff on ssh?10:42
jogano, I was just ircing :)10:42
DocScrutinizer05like piping enormous amounts of data?10:42
jogaI think I'll remove qtlockscreen, it takes a few megs and seemed to bug out more than be useful10:43
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jogahad to try it :)10:43
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mintuxwhat is the last version of meamo?10:54
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DocScrutinizer05pr1.3.1 official11:02
DocScrutinizer05though: Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4.1; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo311:02
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DocScrutinizer0521.2011.38-1Tmaemo4.1 is of yesterday11:04
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DocScrutinizer05so pretty sure it's the latest though not last version of maemo ;-)11:05
DocScrutinizer05oh, or maybe you meant fremantle/maemo5 which definitely is the last maemo flavour11:06
DocScrutinizer05some call harmattan maemo611:07
DocScrutinizer05but officially that's meego harmattan (N9)11:07
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mintuxwhat is different between COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin ?11:11
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Palimintux, combined is maemo 5 image, emmc is image for emmc (which only clean MyDocs)11:26
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Paliif you want to flash maemo, just use combined image11:27
Paliemmc is usefull only for cleaning MyDocs11:27
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infobotit has been said that maemo-flashing is
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jonwilpali: ping14:29
Palijonwil, pong14:29
jonwilanything further on the battery temperature stuff?14:30
Palijonwil, I have bad news14:31
jonwilwhich is?14:31
PaliI asked nokia devs and he told: he does not remember math formula but it depends on calibration data14:32
Palifrom CAL partition stored at factory14:32
Paliso I think reading twl madc temeprature from adcin0 is not possible...14:33
jonwilprobably some tuning done based on the value the thermistor gives vs some existing calibrated value14:33
jonwilthat is an external something at a known temprature14:33
PaliDocScrutinizer, see ^^^^14:34
jonwilActually, if we can find where in the CAL it comes from, it might make it slightly easier to reverse engineer the BME code14:34
jonwilthe bad news of course is that if it comes from the CAL, we cant just use a lookup table14:35
Palijonwil, look at calvaria code14:36
Paliit parse CAL partition and also show BME data14:36
Palibut BME data are binary hexdump14:36
Palino idea what from that is data for temperature14:37
PaliI think the best will be stop looking at twlmadc and using temperature from bq27200 chip14:37
Paliit will not be temperature of battery but temperature of chip14:37
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Palibut better then something which depends on undocumented CAL and madc...14:38
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jonwilonly things that care about BME temp are module-nokia-voice from PA, hald-addon-bme and libthermalobject_surface for dsme14:44
jonwilnot sure exactly who is reading temp from hald-addon-bme if any14:45
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jonwilI have no idea how sensitive the users of BME temp readings are to the actual temprature or whether they just need some suitable value14:51
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Palijonwil, I will write email to that (now past) nokia dev if he did not remeber something...14:55
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kerioTabletEvil: boooooooo15:10
keriogo away15:10
kerioyour device is bad and you should feel bad15:11
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SpeedEvilI'm trying to find out how to use Bluetooth for mobile net on it.15:12
SpeedEvilWith n90015:12
kerioSpeedEvil: do you want to use PAN? it's harder15:13
SpeedEvilSharing files works, but...15:13
keriootherwise, bluetooth DUN will work fine15:13
kerioyou have to install the package for it, on the n90015:13
kerioand then use it as a bluetooth gprs modem15:13
SpeedEvilNot seen that option on jellybean.15:13
SpeedEvilCurrently trying to work out pogo pins and stuff.15:14
SpeedEvilAnd if the RAM/Rom can be upgraded.15:16
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keriohm, does anyone know if the five brightness levels of the settings menu and/or the status menu applet can be changed?15:21
Palikerio, yes15:22
keriocool, how?15:23
Paliwriting directly to /sys/class/backlight/....15:23
Palias root15:23
kerioi disabled the light sensor, and now i have less granularity than i'd like15:23
kerioi wanted to use the cute lil' applet15:23
Paliecho 0 > /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness15:24
Paliecho 255 > /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness15:24
Paliyou can adjust value between 0 - 25515:24
Paliyou need to run this as root!15:24
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: Pali: strace bme (and dsme? and libcal?), check what data chunk it reads from there at startup15:26
jonwilwe know how to read the BME blob from the CAL15:27
DocScrutinizer05create a shellscript job to grep that chunk from /dev/mtd15:27
jonwilwhich BME does15:27
jonwilwhat we dont know is the layout of that CAL blob15:27
jonwilBME reads it all at once15:27
DocScrutinizer05make 50 users run that script and post their results15:27
PaliDocScrutinizer05, I think better solution is really to use temp value from bq chip15:27
DocScrutinizer05Pali: bq temp is bogus15:27
PaliDocScrutinizer05, math formula is unknown.... it depends on data from cal15:28
Paliif we got value from cal how get that math formula??15:28
DocScrutinizer05but I expect to see very little variation on CAL for thermistor calibration15:28
jonwilthere might be no variance for thermistor15:29
Palido you disassemble bme code and find formula?15:29
jonwilbut its part of a larger blob that's read all at once15:29
DocScrutinizer05a brainfart of EE, just wanna calibarte each nonsense15:29
jonwiland other things in it will be different15:29
Pali(((((2099203 - (1LL<<31)) * level * 6000) >> 32) - ((level * 6000 << 1) >> 32) + (level * 6000)) >> 9)15:29
jonwilin fact, I see BME code writing to the same CAL block during its operation15:29
Palithis is formula for battery level15:29
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Paliwhich I disassembled from binary bsi-read15:30
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: I don't expect bme *writing* calibration data of thermistor15:30
Palisorry but this looks like nonsense!15:30
jonwilits writing other data15:30
jonwiland its impossible to know which of the many numbers in the same big monolithic CAL blob we want15:30
Palirun calvaria15:30
Paliand you see that bme block has a lot of data15:31
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: we most likely don't want any data of the blob that's written15:31
DocScrutinizer05bme will just read one blob, on startup15:31
DocScrutinizer05one blob that's never written and most likely never again read on same bme run15:32
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Palithis is my data from CAL under section bme15:32
DocScrutinizer05I mean, after all it's calibration data that is not supposed to ever change15:32
jonwilI am staring at the BME ASM right now15:32
jonwiland it seems to read that entire lot in15:33
DocScrutinizer05Pali: bme is known to write bullsh*t data about battery state to CAL15:33
jonwiland make changes to the bits that matter15:33
jonwilthen write it back as one unit15:33
PaliDocScrutinizer05, that data must be in that dump :D15:33
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: are you sure there's no other blob read at startup15:34
jonwilnope, there is only one BME blob15:35
jonwilthe one pali pasted15:35
DocScrutinizer05well, BME blob as in what?15:35
DocScrutinizer05tagged "BME"?15:35
Palibut in lower bme15:35
DocScrutinizer05could have "my lovely grandma told me to name it that way" tag15:35
DocScrutinizer05it's not relevant how it's tagged15:36
jonwiltrust me, I can see all the tags BME is reading15:36
DocScrutinizer05it matters if bme is reading it ONCE during startup15:36
jonwilvia its calls to cal_read_block15:36
jonwiland the only one it reads is bme15:36
jonwiloh wait it also reads r&d_mode15:36
SpeedEvilPali: on my device 2-255 1 is off  too15:36
jonwilbut that's clearly not what we are looking for15:36
PaliSpeedEvil, what?15:37
PaliDocScrutinizer05, other tag names which are in CAL has other meaning... they are not used for bme for sure15:38
keriohrmpf, what's the best BL-5J to buy, as of now15:38
Palitag mac address or codelock is not for bme15:38
keriothe links on TMO for the good batteries all lead to sites with no availability15:38
SpeedEvilPali: brightness15:39
Paliah, ok15:39
PaliI'm using echo 100 > /sys... in fanoush bootmenu15:40
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jonwilok, I just found the function in BME that returns the battery temperature to libbmepic15:45
jonwilthe one that fills in the emsg_battery_info_reply structure15:45
jonwilinvestigating now15:45
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Palijonwil, ok15:55
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: \o/15:59
jonwilok, so the code for reading temp calls a function and passes the value 5 to it15:59
jonwiltime to load BME into GDB again16:01
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jonwilok, that doesn't help16:09
jonwilit ends up in the same place I was trying to reverse engineer the other day16:09
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jonwilok, I think I am going to do something I have been meaning to for a while, document all the external things that the ICD WLAN plugin talks to16:40
jonwiland the other wlan related bits (security etc)16:40
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Palijonwil, better write new wlan plugin which will use wpa_supplicant :D16:45
jonwilthats what I mean16:46
jonwilwe find all the external bits16:46
Paliwpa_supplicant working fine on n900 for wl1251 driver16:46
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jonwilthen someone writes new plugin that exports the rights bits to the rest of the system16:46
Paliand I'm using it for usb ethernet 802.1X authentication16:46
Pali100MBps internet on n900 :D16:47
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kerioPali: haha, neat17:04
keriohmm, how much power does a usb ethernet card require?17:05
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Palikerio, my working without external hub17:08
kerioPali: does it work with 200mA?17:08
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zeqfreemangordon: I'm preparing new toolchains with the libc+kernel-cssu-headers straight from the SDK.17:29
zeqOnce that's done it should make it much easier to set up an SB env with the new compilers without kernel header issues.17:31
zeqIdeally I'd like to build libc as part of the process based on the sb toolchain build process including thumb2 libc libraries, but that can wait.17:32
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jonwilok, looks like someone already wrote libicd-network-wpa :)18:12
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Palijonwil, I remember that there is some code which calling wpa_supplicant18:21
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freemangordonzeq: sounds good, but you'd better not touch libc18:25
freemangordonzeq: which gcc is that, 4.7.2?18:27
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zeqfreemangordon: is it a problem to rebuild libc from the maemo libc source pkg?18:28
zeqright now I'm just extracting the maemo libc bin pkg into my build tree.18:29
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trxzeq when you do that, can it be inserted into scratchbox as a new target?18:30
zeqbut for a _proper_ sb toolchain it's necessary to (re-)build libc.18:30
zeqtrx: yes, that's the usual method18:31
freemangordonzeq: ok, if you say so. I told you I am not SB guru.18:31
trxzeq great18:31
trxplease let me know when you complete it, i would like to have it :)18:31
zeqfreemangordon: neither am I, I've just been reading the docs ;)18:31
freemangordonzeq: which toolchain is that, linaro gcc 4.7.2?18:34
zeqI'll make multiple builds18:34
zeqthe new linaro toolchains18:34
zeqand vanila 4.6 maybe vanilla 4.718:35
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freemangordonzeq: why?18:36
zeqat least the neon intrinsics bug in linaro 4.6 has been fixed18:36
zeqdon't know whether 4.7 is now good too18:36
freemangordonlets just stick to latest (so far) that does the job18:36
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freemangordonzeq: what was that 12.07 we were expecting?18:36
zeqthat's probably linaro-4.6, maybe linaro-4.7. Need to test.18:37
zeqyep, new linaro's are out18:37
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freemangordonwell, lets try them, and if they work, stick to them, why do we need 10 toolchains?18:38
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zeqof we don't :) it's just I need to build them to test them :P18:38
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freemangordonzeq: :)18:40
freemangordonzeq: BTW not that I am trying to push you or something, but isn't it better to update the bug report for fennec, I think romaxa wats for some progress from our side. Unfortunately I don't have time now to do it, as I am preparing a new cssu-thumb update18:42
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zeqfreemangordon: you're right, I should.18:42
zeqI'll get on and do that shortly18:43
freemangordonzeq: fennec on n950 stutters in the same way as on n900 with HW accel enabled :(18:44
freemangordonI tried to disable it (on n950) but it is giving me white image, only while scrolling there is something18:44
freemangordonso it seems EGL is FUBAR on SGX18:45
zeqprobably should ask romaxa about that18:49
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zeqI expected it to work on HARM18:49
zeqperhaps it's because the N950 has an older sgx driver?18:49
zeq(compared to N9)18:50
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freemangordonzeq: don't think so18:53
freemangordonthey should one and the same18:53
freemangordon*should have18:53
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zeqN9 has seen a lot more updates hasn't it?18:57
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zeqneed somebody with a N9 to compare18:57
zeqI need to go mow the grass before the gf gets back. I'll get onto that bug afterwards :)18:58
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freemangordonzeq: ok18:59
RiDreal men cut grass one by one18:59
RiDthey don't use mowers18:59
RiDor "real men use flamethrowers to cut grass"19:00
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zeqmight have been easier one blade at a time, tricky avoiding all the frogs!19:57
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zeqfreemangordon: shall I attach the patches as they stand to new bugs, or change the defines as romaxa suggested first?20:06
zeqRomaxa felt it would be better to have a specific define for need_client_rotation20:07
zeqspecificall he said USE_ORIENTATION_SENSOR_FOR_WIDGET20:08
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zeqI just made up the previous from memory :)20:09
zeqclearly it can't be trusted :P20:09
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jonwildoes anyone here have an N900 that is (or has been in the past) connected to a WiFi network with any kind of security other than plain WEP?20:24
jonwile.g. WPA20:24
Sc0rpiusI use WPA220:24
wmarone_WPA2 at home for the... entirety I've had my N90020:25
Sc0rpiusactually, who uses WEP anymore?20:26
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jonwilI do20:26
jonwilmy router is old20:26
vi__you know something is up when you are ssh'ing from you n900 to you n950 because it is easier to fiddle that way!20:27
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jonwilok, so for the guys who are using WPA, anyone here have only one WiFi network defined in their phone?20:28
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userno, sorry.20:28
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Palino, I have a lot of APs20:28
jonwilactually thats still useful20:29
zeqvi___: keyboard not nice?20:29
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zeqvi___: no landscape?20:29
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vi___zeq: landscape is...uh...poorly supported.20:32
vi___and the xterm sucks20:32
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zeqyou could port a better xterm?20:32
vi___there is a 10-30mS lag on typing.20:33
vi___zeq: ha20:33
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zeqrotation is client-side so it depends if the xterm is using pixman accel20:33
vi___I literally have no idea.20:34
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vi___I have had about 45 minutes to play with it in 2 days so far.20:34
vi___It seems too fragile to risk as using as my primary fone.20:34
zeqvi___: MeeGo/Mer guys are convinced client-side rotation is the way to go.20:35
vi___n900 4 lyf!20:35
vi___zeq: that is the applications dealing with rotation themselves right?20:35
zeqon Fremantle the xserver does it AFAIK20:36
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zeqso as far as client apps are concerned just the size changes20:37
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vi___zeq: that seems kinda logical I guess.20:38
zeqeach has its pros and cons20:39
vi___however what happens if xorg tries to rotate AND the application tries to rotate?20:39
zeqI don't think the xserver on HARM/MeeGo supports it20:39
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infobotfuture is probably bright20:41
zeqvi___: orientation transitions should be faster, are they?20:41
ZogG_laptopvi___: did you get phone or not, you ignored me few times already =\20:42
vi___zogg, I leave my irc logged in at work.20:42
vi___it is running through opera browser to get around them banning my work ip20:42
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vi___so I miss al sorts of messages.20:43
vi___I have a sexy n950.20:43
qwazixkerio, find battery yet?20:43
vi___it is the sexiest piece of hardware I have ever seen.20:43
vi___it is made of metal ffs!20:44
vi___who builds a metal phone these days?20:44
zeqvi___: hopefully the Jolla devices will be as nice20:44
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qwazixvi___, i'm afraid the screen bezel is going to wear off20:44
vi___zeq: agreed.  Hopefully they will not have such a gimpy, girls OS as well.20:44
ZogG_laptopqwazix: your pcam on github right?20:45
qwazixdid you see that the paint is so thin the led shines through it?20:45
vi___zeq: are you uk?20:45
ZogG_laptopqwazix: on harmattan org repo20:45
zeqvi___: yes20:45
vi___I assume you do not have one?20:45
qwazixand also a fork at harmattan organization20:45
zeqvi___: me? I only have an N90020:46
zeq(my 3rd N900!)20:46
vi___well if you are ever in edinburgh, you can come and have a good play on it.20:46
zeqvi___: My gf loves Edinburgh ;)20:47
vi___what city are you?20:47
zeqvi___: Bracknell, Berkshire20:47
vi___...I have never been.20:48
zeqvi___: Right next to Ascot, SE of Reading.20:48
vi___Or perhaps I went through on a canal boat once.  I cannot remember.20:48
vi___ZogG_laptop: as a new harmattan user, what are the must do/have things I should install/do first.20:49
vi___ZogG_laptop: right now I am attempting to remap the keyboard.20:49
zeqI've only been to Edinburgh once.  Visited with my girlfriend of the time.20:50
vi___DocScrutinizer06: ping20:50
qwazixvi___, home screen settings for landscape20:50
vi___zeq: tis a nice city.20:50
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vi___qwazix: where is it?20:50
vi___do I have to enable extra repos?20:50
vi___are there any extra repos?20:51
vi___which is the best xterm?20:51
qwazixrzr's community repo and martink's gtk repo are a must20:51
vi___is there an easy way to get debian chroot scripts up and running?20:51
vi___qwazix: how does one add repos? do I edit sources.list?20:52
ZogG_laptopvi___: battery usage, filebox, iception, meecode(qr code), screenshots, imgrup(my app to uload imgs to imgur), there is reddit app. i dunno what else20:52
qwazixdid you flash open mode?20:52
ZogG_laptopvi___: there are few really good games20:52
vi___also, where the F* can Install vim from?20:52
qwazixvi___, no idea about vim20:52
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vi___qwazix: not yet.20:52
ZogG_laptopvi___: on OBS there is vim. as well u might like finger term20:53
ZogG_laptopdrop cache and apps4meego repo20:53
qwazixyou 'd better do it now because it requires full reflash20:53
qwazixand you'll lose everything20:53
qwazixalso debian chroot is blazingly fast20:53
vi___I still have not found a proper pros/cons of each mode.20:53
merlin1991vi___: it's easy20:54
vi___qwazix: that is what has convinced me to keep the n950.20:54
merlin1991closed mode: aegis20:54
merlin1991open mode: no aegis20:54
merlin1991nothing else20:54
vi___merlin1991: but what do I lose?20:54
ZogG_laptopqwazix: i have funtoo chroot now20:54
merlin1991except for "security"20:54
vi___merlin1991: what about paid for ovi content?20:54
merlin1991still works20:54
qwazixthe only problem I had (don't know if it's open mode related for sure) is that twitter auth went bonkers20:54
qwazixyep that I can confirm20:54
vi___~gentoosmite ZogG_laptop20:54
ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: just install inception and aegisctl and than ariande aegisctl -s =)20:54
* infobot spends 5 weeks recompiling ZogG_laptop, and when it's all done, ZogG_laptop runs no faster than previously20:54
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qwazixand you gain a BSW :)20:55
vi___so do I lose access to paid ovi store content with open mode?20:55
qwazixno, paid content works fine20:55
vi___echo 3 > /opt/vm/drop_caches20:56
vi___^can i haz monies for my app naow?20:56
vi___is there a harmattan equivalent of alarmed?20:57
vi___it sounds like open mode is THE way to go.20:57
qwazixit has something called timed20:57
qwazixnot sure if it is really equivalent20:57
vi___qwazix: can I run scripts in a cron like fashion?20:57
vi___doc|home: ping20:57
qwazixI don't know20:58
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vi___what is it called?20:58
qwazixAll I know it's the recommended api for apps if they want to do things in the background in an interval20:58
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vi___qwazix: ty20:58
vi___tiny debian laptop.20:59
vi___I have literally waited decades for this device.20:59
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qwazix(and looks like a mac too)20:59
vi___is ~/.profile aegis protected?21:00
infobotone warez list being sent21:00
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vi___~stfu infobot21:00
qwazixehm, I think I saw that editing .profile results in bad things21:01
qwazixbut I'm not sure it was harmattan21:01
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qwazixI bought this, thought would be awesome with the N950 but it doesn't work (it apparently works only on C6's) It needs bigger touch area, and I wonder if filing the tip down would make it work (or destroy it)21:10
qwazixIt does work if you touch the side of it to the screen though...21:10
vi___step 1.  Colour xterm prompt.21:12
vi___That is much more civillised.21:12
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zeqvi___: maybe you could tweak the touchscreen driver?21:39
zeqsorry qwazix I mean21:39
zeqit's probably a threshold in the driver, rather than a hardware feature21:40
qwazixzeq, to make the stylus work?21:40
qwazixnice idea, any pointers? do we know anything about the driver? is it open?21:40
zeqqwazix: no idea :)21:40
qwazixi'll have a look21:41
zeqchances are it's the X input driver21:41
zeqrather than the kernel module21:41
zeqjust guessing though21:41
qwazixlet's see what google has to say21:41
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vi___I am frankly astounded at the sheer volume of shit in the ovi store.21:50
Gh0stythere is an ovi store?21:51
Gh0styand you use it?21:51
Gh0stynever used it :p21:52
Gh0stydid i mis out? :p21:52
wmarone_ovi store?21:52
wmarone_my transactions were always rejected when buying... anything... from Nokia21:52
qwazixvi___, most of the apps are ovi app wizard rss readers, with misleading titles and high prices just to increase app count21:52
vi___1GBP for a 'wallpaper'.  WTF.21:52
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qwazixNot only Nokia doesn't confine them to a category, it allows those misleading titles like cpubooster etc.21:53
vi___Is that your mighty 1000000 appz apple?21:53
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qwazixzeq, google has absolutely nothing on the N9 touchscreen configuration, and only one result relevant to capacitive touchscreen sensitivity on linux, which gives a nice idea (find /sys | grep sensitivity) but that returns nothing21:54
qwazixneither find /sys | grep touchscreen or capacitive or touch21:55
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vi___qwazix: it will not be listed as nicely as that.21:56
vi___search for 'input0'21:56
qwazixhmm, lets see...21:56
vi___or the name of the driver chip21:56
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befordprobably #mer or #nemomobile people know i22:03
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qwazixha! I found /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-2/2-004b/microamps_requested_AVdd22:10
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qwazixand microamps requested_Vdd22:10
DocScrutinizer06~tell vi_ about may-i-edit22:10
qwazixand gains22:10
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DocScrutinizer06qwazix: never occurred to me you could need to pipe find output to grep22:14
DocScrutinizer06I always thought the -iname parameter was meant for that22:15
qwazixfind alone fills your screen with permission denied's22:15
DocScrutinizer06uhuh, and piping stdout to grep doesn't?22:15
DocScrutinizer06find /sys -iname '*sensitivity*' 2>/dev/null | less22:16
qwazixyes it's stupid, I just copied it from a website and it's late so I didn't think about it22:17
qwazixI use find -name whatever when I write it by myself22:18
qwazixI just saw it didn't throw permission denieds and I thought that's why he did that22:18
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qwazixhmm, nothing obvious, anyway I give up for now22:29
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freemangordonto anyone who is interested - new cssu-thumb is out, includes thumb-compiled microb-engine22:34
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vi__freemangordon: your my hero22:37
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vi__I am going to go full retard here...22:38
vi__is kp51 thump compatable?22:38
vi__freemangordon: also, have you become so frustrated you have mapped tab onto your n900 kbd yet?22:39
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freemangordonvi__: kp51 should be compatible, but thumb mp- thingie is not ready yet, I am wating Pali to push changes to kernel-cssu22:42
StyXman_more about jolla:
keriovi__: not on this n900, but i used to have it on fn+bksp22:42
kerioand esc on shift+bksp22:43
kerioand pgup/pgdn/home/end on fn+up/down/left/right22:43
DocScrutinizer06on a sidenote, pali not only spotted a bug in scratchbox today, but also ships a cssu-uninstaller now22:44
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer06: the bug Pali spotted is the same one that causes MAG to ship thumb-compiled binaries and is known for about an year ;)22:45
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DocScrutinizer06yep, but not known it's genuine22:46
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freemangordonvi__: I didn't understand the "tab" question22:46
freemangordonvi__: BTW how do you like your n950 after playng with it for a while?22:48
* DocScrutinizer06 burps22:48
kerioDocScrutinizer06: does a hub connected to the n900 correctly report devices plugged in/removed?22:48
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kerioso... why is nobody selling one-port hubs with a microusb B plug for the host and a microusb B port for power yet?22:49
DocScrutinizer05at least that's the tale22:50
kerio(also, how much power does the typical usb hub require for itself?)22:50
kerioso... 100+500+500?22:50
DocScrutinizer05by definition more than real life22:50
keriothe wallcharger is 1100, in theory22:51
DocScrutinizer05is it?22:51
kerioi thought it was22:51
DocScrutinizer05well, a proper externally powered USB hub should 'need' 0 from host, and deliver 500 to all downstream ports22:52
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vi__kerio: this will blow your mind22:53
DocScrutinizer05though I'm not sure if it still negotiates 100mA for itself, with host22:53
kerioyeah but can you make a proper externally powered USB hub with one port that also delivers 500 upstream, if you only have the n900 wallcharger for power?22:53
vi__freemangordon: I meant re-mapping n950 keyboard to include important keys like esc and tab22:54
keriovi__: oh god don't do this to me22:54
DocScrutinizer05kerio: in theory: yes22:54
kerioi'm pretending the default layout is enough because otherwise i have to start working on my layout again22:55
kerioto also add compositing accents and programming symbols22:55
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vi__kerio: I have every conceivable key on the n900 board, including right and middle mouse clicks!22:55
DocScrutinizer05WOOHOOO \o/22:55
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DocScrutinizer05RMB MMB awesome!22:56
vi__DocScrutinizer05: it allows MMB pasting in xterm.22:56
vi__which rules.22:57
kerioi might skip F1...F1222:57
kerioso i have more space to fit italianities on the top row22:57
vi__no more opening menu and clicking paste like a chimp22:57
ZogG_laptop - nice sdcard with WiFi22:57
vi__kerio: well there are rumours even more than 4 levels.22:57
DocScrutinizer05vi__: cooool22:57
vi__X K B C E P T I O N22:58
keriovi__: yeah but you have to use the russian layout or some shit22:58
vi__kerio: yeah.22:58
vi__F6 is worth it though.22:58
keriofor what?22:58
vi__it allows you to switch between xterm fullscreen on/off22:59
kerio...shit, i need that22:59
kerioisn't F6 one of the volume keys?22:59
vi__kerio: you certainly do.22:59
keriohmm, i wonder if it's doable with shortcutd, with the camkey focus longpress22:59
keriohow fullscreen?22:59
keriodoes the stupid toolbar stay?22:59
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vi__once you have all this, you can go FULL full screen ALL THE TIME.23:01
vi__none of that retarded pop-up symbols bullshit.23:01
vi__no pressing tab on the soft row.23:01
vi__you can get rid of stupid toolbar with a gconf setting23:01
vi__it allows for a completely full fullscreen.23:01
kerioyeah, i used to do that23:01
vi__f6 lets you come back23:02
vi__...and your the first person I have ever told.23:02
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kerio <-- this is how i feel23:02
keriovi__: i might try to do something with shortcutd23:02
keriomaybe camkey focus longpress23:03
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vi__kerio: no way.  save that for skip music track!23:04
keriovi__: bitch please23:04
kerioi use bluetooth headphones23:04
keriowith full controls and shit23:04
vi__I like the stock headphones...23:05
vi__is that so wrong?23:05
Sicelostock N900 or N950?23:05
keriovi__: you suck23:05
vi__n900, the n950 does not come with headphones.23:06
Siceloah (well, didn't know about N950, lol)23:06
Siceloanyway, vi__ .. i also like my N900 stock headphones :)23:06
vi__n950 accessories include a usb cable and a cardboard cox.23:06
kerioalso, you haven't thought about using the proximity sensor for an extra mute key23:07
keriomaybe alt23:07
keriovi__: how do i run something that pretends i inputted a key?23:07
vi__or somthing23:07
keriovi__: no, i want answers!23:08
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keriohm, xdotool23:10
vi__I cant remember what it is called.  what are you trying to do?23:10
kerioshortcutd has a "run shell command" setting23:10
kerioso i can make camkey focus longpress act as a F6 key23:11
vi__how novel.23:11
vi__why not just use the keyboard?23:11
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keriobecause i have no idea whatsoever of what to do with the F keys23:11
kerioneat, it works23:12
vi__you can use them with programs in easy debian.23:12
kerioxdotool key F623:12
keriovi__: easy debian is bullshit23:12
vi__kerio: that was fast.23:12
vi__kerio: I beg you pardon?23:12
vi__kerio: easy debian is possibly the greatest thing on the n900.23:13
vi__full access to the debian repos...23:13
vi__just think about that for a moment.23:14
keriovi__: by the way, your layout is ass23:14
keriofourth level z and fourth level x are the same key23:14
kerioi mean, they're sent at the same time23:14
keriovi__: easy debian is just a novelty23:15
kerioyou really don't want to use those programs anyway23:15
keriounless it's terminal stuff23:15
vi__kerio: my layout is not ass you rude little fuckwit.23:15
keriowhich runs fine in maemo23:15
keriovi__: :c23:15
vi__go read how the keyboard works.23:15
keriovi__: i did, and i made tests23:15
vi__there are certain 4th level bugs.23:16
keriofn+shift+z and fn+shift+x do the same stuff for me23:16
kerioso mapping {} on them is useless23:16
vi__that send pairs23:16
kerioat most you can map a key to one, and set the other to none23:16
kerio(the 4th level, i mean)23:16
jonwilok, I posted all the notes on the things you would need to know to completly replace the Maemo5 WiFi infrastructure without breaking things23:16
vi__well in my experiance, you rarely use a [ without a ] later.  So this takes advantage of this and puts them both up.23:17
vi__kerio: have a good think about it.  you will see it is the best that can be made of an annoying hardware bug.23:18
vi__jonwil: where?23:18
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keriovi__: ...still dirty23:18
Sicelojonwil: \0/23:18
jonwilto maemo-developers23:18
kerioalso it wouldn't work at all for nethack23:18
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vi__jonwil: ty23:19
jonwilThis is what you need to replace osso-wlan, osso-wlan-security, libicd-network-wlan, libicd-network-wps and libicd-network-eap23:19
vi__kerio: it works fine for NH23:19
jonwilI suggest libicd-network-wpa is a good place to start for any new M5 wlan work23:20
keriovi__: no, because i can't type ( to choose weapons in the menus and not tools23:20
kerioer, wrong way around23:20
keriono, ( and )23:20
vi__work fine23:21
keriotools open stuff, weapons close them (in a way)23:21
keriovi__: yeah, if you can backspace and delete one of the two :)23:21
keriooh right23:21
keriowait, why did you add that to 4th level j/k then?23:21
jonwilhopefully the info I posted will be of value to someone23:21
keriooh, for coding23:22
kerioi see23:22
vi__because that pair has the same bug.23:22
kerioi want to say the same thing about [ and ], but you never want to select mimics anyway23:22
vi__so you may as well make use of it.23:22
kerio(your layout has no {} btw)23:22
vi__yes it does23:22
keriooh, braceleft/braceright23:23
vi__4th n and m23:23
kerioi see23:23
jonwilok, its 4am here, zzz time23:23
jonwillater guys23:23
vi__bb jonwil23:23
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vi__kerio: you are basically being told 3 years of tweaks hacks and scripts right off the bat here.  whatever you think of has already been tried.23:24
kerioyeah, i used to have that kind of stuff on my old n900 (with a heavily modded italian layout)23:25
vi__that xdotool on a shortcut? allready suggested to send a space character so stock media player would pop up virtual keyboard.23:25
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