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| DocScrutinizer06 | OK :-( | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | oops, ECHAN | 00:25 |
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| RiD | DocScrutinizer06 why 06? why not 05? | 00:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i miss DocScrutinizer51 mostly | 00:30 |
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| ZogG_laptop | he was good guy | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he? | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen DocScrutinizer51 | 00:30 |
| infobot | docscrutinizer51 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #openmoko #maemo-ssu #qi-hardware #openmoko-cdevel. Has said a total of 128 messages. Is idling for 1h 46m 12s, last said: 'fine, just need to come home'. | 00:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh DocScrutinizer05 i know you are good at HW | 00:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: n950's cpu is armv7a right? | 00:32 |
| RiD | no it's armv11. slow. | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: it's the same CPU as in N9 | 00:36 |
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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: which would be the one i told above right? | 00:39 |
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| Woody14619 | Best line ever... Laughed my ass off: <vi__> I may as well be flapping at the screen like a spastic walrus. | 00:45 |
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| RiD | spastic walrus!! :D | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't have bothered to answer if it wasn't for that line | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 00:49 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: sup | 00:51 |
| RiD | wak wak | 00:55 |
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| Woody14619 | Best line ever. :) | 00:57 |
| Woody14619 | ZogG_laptop: not much... waiting between test runs. (I really need to shorten this setup routine, or at least try to init separate hardware bits in parallel where I can... I hate inherited code. :P | 00:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: so, how is OBS progress going? | 00:59 |
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| Woody14619 | Zogg_laptop: no update or real progress since the last meeting. We're working on another project right now to lower x-fade's workload. Between that and javispedro being back from his trip, we may see progress and an update soon though (I hope. :) | 01:05 |
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| ZogG_laptop | what another project? | 01:08 |
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| Woody14619 | No, taking over some of the maint issues so he has more time for other things. | 01:11 |
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| joga | I was ssh'ing and suddenly got "Operation temporarily disabled due to low memory" notification, after a while I could dismiss it without it appearing again, but never had that happen before | 08:17 |
| joga | does it do something particular when that happens? | 08:19 |
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| jacekowski | joga: it does exactly what it says on a tin | 08:51 |
| jacekowski | joga: it stops a lot of stuff when memory is low | 08:51 |
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| jacekowski | joga: but that's flash memory not ram memory | 08:52 |
| joga | oh | 08:52 |
| jacekowski | as in rootfs | 08:53 |
| jacekowski | if that runs down to 0 | 08:53 |
| jacekowski | you are going to end up with bootloop | 08:53 |
| joga | hmm, I have about 33M there | 08:53 |
| joga | not sure why it would have filled it just now | 08:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please all SB users stay tuned for Pali's mail to community/devel ML, about annoying bug in SB config | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now you could do ~# cat /scratchbox/users/*/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL.environment | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and see if there's thumb in there | 10:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: (it stops a lot of stuff when memory is low. joga: but that's flash memory not ram memory) err nope | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Operation temporarily disabled due to low memory" notification is clearly related to RAM shortage | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (incl swap) | 10:36 |
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| joga | sounds like it | 10:36 |
| joga | I added a couple widgets lately (oculo and sticky notes), maybe that contributed | 10:37 |
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| joga | (well, a week or two ago actually) | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hildon is stopping and freeing several preloaded processes like brwoserd, modest, dialer whatnot | 10:38 |
| joga | ok | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a simple htop should tell who's eating your RAM | 10:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw those stopped processes also get restarted once RAM situation is less critical | 10:39 |
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| joga | xorg and browserd are at the top currently, I couldn't look into it when I got the notification | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you did some 'silly' stuff on ssh? | 10:42 |
| joga | no, I was just ircing :) | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like piping enormous amounts of data? | 10:42 |
| joga | nah | 10:42 |
| joga | I think I'll remove qtlockscreen, it takes a few megs and seemed to bug out more than be useful | 10:43 |
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| joga | had to try it :) | 10:43 |
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| mintux | what is the last version of meamo? | 10:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pr1.3.1 official | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though: Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4.1; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo3 | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU | 11:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4.1 is of yesterday | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 11:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so pretty sure it's the latest though not last version of maemo ;-) | 11:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, or maybe you meant fremantle/maemo5 which definitely is the last maemo flavour | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some call harmattan maemo6 | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but officially that's meego harmattan (N9) | 11:07 |
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| mintux | what is different between COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin ? | 11:11 |
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| Pali | mintux, combined is maemo 5 image, emmc is image for emmc (which only clean MyDocs) | 11:26 |
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| Pali | if you want to flash maemo, just use combined image | 11:27 |
| Pali | emmc is usefull only for cleaning MyDocs | 11:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 11:32 |
| infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 11:32 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/19/java_java_everywhere/ | 12:33 |
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| jonwil | hi | 14:08 |
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| jonwil | pali: ping | 14:29 |
| Pali | jonwil, pong | 14:29 |
| jonwil | anything further on the battery temperature stuff? | 14:30 |
| Pali | jonwil, I have bad news | 14:31 |
| jonwil | which is? | 14:31 |
| Pali | I asked nokia devs and he told: he does not remember math formula but it depends on calibration data | 14:32 |
| jonwil | ok | 14:32 |
| Pali | from CAL partition stored at factory | 14:32 |
| Pali | so I think reading twl madc temeprature from adcin0 is not possible... | 14:33 |
| jonwil | probably some tuning done based on the value the thermistor gives vs some existing calibrated value | 14:33 |
| jonwil | that is an external something at a known temprature | 14:33 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, see ^^^^ | 14:34 |
| jonwil | Actually, if we can find where in the CAL it comes from, it might make it slightly easier to reverse engineer the BME code | 14:34 |
| jonwil | the bad news of course is that if it comes from the CAL, we cant just use a lookup table | 14:35 |
| Pali | jonwil, look at calvaria code | 14:36 |
| Pali | it parse CAL partition and also show BME data | 14:36 |
| Pali | but BME data are binary hexdump | 14:36 |
| Pali | no idea what from that is data for temperature | 14:37 |
| Pali | I think the best will be stop looking at twlmadc and using temperature from bq27200 chip | 14:37 |
| Pali | it will not be temperature of battery but temperature of chip | 14:37 |
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| Pali | but better then something which depends on undocumented CAL and madc... | 14:38 |
| jonwil | yeah | 14:38 |
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| jonwil | only things that care about BME temp are module-nokia-voice from PA, hald-addon-bme and libthermalobject_surface for dsme | 14:44 |
| jonwil | not sure exactly who is reading temp from hald-addon-bme if any | 14:45 |
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| jonwil | I have no idea how sensitive the users of BME temp readings are to the actual temprature or whether they just need some suitable value | 14:51 |
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| Pali | jonwil, I will write email to that (now past) nokia dev if he did not remeber something... | 14:55 |
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| jonwil | ok | 14:58 |
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| kerio | TabletEvil: boooooooo | 15:10 |
| kerio | go away | 15:10 |
| kerio | your device is bad and you should feel bad | 15:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm trying to find out how to use Bluetooth for mobile net on it. | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | With n900 | 15:12 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: do you want to use PAN? it's harder | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Sharing files works, but... | 15:13 |
| kerio | otherwise, bluetooth DUN will work fine | 15:13 |
| kerio | you have to install the package for it, on the n900 | 15:13 |
| kerio | and then use it as a bluetooth gprs modem | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Not seen that option on jellybean. | 15:13 |
| kerio | \_o_/ | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Currently trying to work out pogo pins and stuff. | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | And if the RAM/Rom can be upgraded. | 15:16 |
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| kerio | hm, does anyone know if the five brightness levels of the settings menu and/or the status menu applet can be changed? | 15:21 |
| Pali | kerio, yes | 15:22 |
| kerio | cool, how? | 15:23 |
| Pali | writing directly to /sys/class/backlight/.... | 15:23 |
| Pali | as root | 15:23 |
| kerio | i disabled the light sensor, and now i have less granularity than i'd like | 15:23 |
| kerio | ¬.¬ | 15:23 |
| kerio | i wanted to use the cute lil' applet | 15:23 |
| Pali | echo 0 > /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness | 15:24 |
| Pali | echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness | 15:24 |
| Pali | you can adjust value between 0 - 255 | 15:24 |
| Pali | you need to run this as root! | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: Pali: strace bme (and dsme? and libcal?), check what data chunk it reads from there at startup | 15:26 |
| jonwil | we know how to read the BME blob from the CAL | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | create a shellscript job to grep that chunk from /dev/mtd | 15:27 |
| jonwil | which BME does | 15:27 |
| jonwil | what we dont know is the layout of that CAL blob | 15:27 |
| jonwil | BME reads it all at once | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make 50 users run that script and post their results | 15:27 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I think better solution is really to use temp value from bq chip | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: bq temp is bogus | 15:27 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, math formula is unknown.... it depends on data from cal | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 15:28 |
| Pali | if we got value from cal how get that math formula?? | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I expect to see very little variation on CAL for thermistor calibration | 15:28 |
| jonwil | there might be no variance for thermistor | 15:29 |
| Pali | do you disassemble bme code and find formula? | 15:29 |
| jonwil | but its part of a larger blob that's read all at once | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a brainfart of EE, just wanna calibarte each nonsense | 15:29 |
| jonwil | and other things in it will be different | 15:29 |
| Pali | (((((2099203 - (1LL<<31)) * level * 6000) >> 32) - ((level * 6000 << 1) >> 32) + (level * 6000)) >> 9) | 15:29 |
| jonwil | in fact, I see BME code writing to the same CAL block during its operation | 15:29 |
| Pali | this is formula for battery level | 15:29 |
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| Pali | which I disassembled from binary bsi-read | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: I don't expect bme *writing* calibration data of thermistor | 15:30 |
| Pali | sorry but this looks like nonsense! | 15:30 |
| jonwil | its writing other data | 15:30 |
| jonwil | and its impossible to know which of the many numbers in the same big monolithic CAL blob we want | 15:30 |
| Pali | run calvaria | 15:30 |
| Pali | and you see that bme block has a lot of data | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: we most likely don't want any data of the blob that's written | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bme will just read one blob, on startup | 15:31 |
| Pali | http://pastebin.com/1AHa7N2e | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one blob that's never written and most likely never again read on same bme run | 15:32 |
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| Pali | this is my data from CAL under section bme | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, after all it's calibration data that is not supposed to ever change | 15:32 |
| jonwil | I am staring at the BME ASM right now | 15:32 |
| jonwil | and it seems to read that entire lot in | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: bme is known to write bullsh*t data about battery state to CAL | 15:33 |
| jonwil | and make changes to the bits that matter | 15:33 |
| jonwil | then write it back as one unit | 15:33 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, that data must be in that dump :D | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: are you sure there's no other blob read at startup | 15:34 |
| jonwil | nope, there is only one BME blob | 15:35 |
| jonwil | the one pali pasted | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, BME blob as in what? | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tagged "BME"? | 15:35 |
| Pali | yes | 15:35 |
| Pali | but in lower bme | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could have "my lovely grandma told me to name it that way" tag | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not relevant how it's tagged | 15:36 |
| jonwil | trust me, I can see all the tags BME is reading | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it matters if bme is reading it ONCE during startup | 15:36 |
| jonwil | via its calls to cal_read_block | 15:36 |
| jonwil | and the only one it reads is bme | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 15:36 |
| jonwil | oh wait it also reads r&d_mode | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Pali: on my device 2-255 1 is off too | 15:36 |
| jonwil | but that's clearly not what we are looking for | 15:36 |
| Pali | SpeedEvil, what? | 15:37 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, other tag names which are in CAL has other meaning... they are not used for bme for sure | 15:38 |
| kerio | hrmpf, what's the best BL-5J to buy, as of now | 15:38 |
| kerio | ? | 15:38 |
| Pali | tag mac address or codelock is not for bme | 15:38 |
| kerio | the links on TMO for the good batteries all lead to sites with no availability | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Pali: brightness | 15:39 |
| Pali | ah, ok | 15:39 |
| Pali | I'm using echo 100 > /sys... in fanoush bootmenu | 15:40 |
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| jonwil | ok, I just found the function in BME that returns the battery temperature to libbmepic | 15:45 |
| jonwil | the one that fills in the emsg_battery_info_reply structure | 15:45 |
| jonwil | investigating now | 15:45 |
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| Pali | jonwil, ok | 15:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: \o/ | 15:59 |
| jonwil | ok, so the code for reading temp calls a function and passes the value 5 to it | 15:59 |
| jonwil | time to load BME into GDB again | 16:01 |
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| jonwil | ok, that doesn't help | 16:09 |
| jonwil | it ends up in the same place I was trying to reverse engineer the other day | 16:09 |
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| jonwil | ok, I think I am going to do something I have been meaning to for a while, document all the external things that the ICD WLAN plugin talks to | 16:40 |
| jonwil | and the other wlan related bits (security etc) | 16:40 |
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| Pali | jonwil, better write new wlan plugin which will use wpa_supplicant :D | 16:45 |
| jonwil | thats what I mean | 16:46 |
| jonwil | we find all the external bits | 16:46 |
| Pali | wpa_supplicant working fine on n900 for wl1251 driver | 16:46 |
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| jonwil | then someone writes new plugin that exports the rights bits to the rest of the system | 16:46 |
| Pali | and I'm using it for usb ethernet 802.1X authentication | 16:46 |
| Pali | 100MBps internet on n900 :D | 16:47 |
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| kerio | Pali: haha, neat | 17:04 |
| kerio | hmm, how much power does a usb ethernet card require? | 17:05 |
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| Pali | kerio, my working without external hub | 17:08 |
| kerio | Pali: does it work with 200mA? | 17:08 |
| kerio | yay | 17:08 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I'm preparing new toolchains with the libc+kernel-cssu-headers straight from the SDK. | 17:29 |
| zeq | Once that's done it should make it much easier to set up an SB env with the new compilers without kernel header issues. | 17:31 |
| zeq | Ideally I'd like to build libc as part of the process based on the sb toolchain build process including thumb2 libc libraries, but that can wait. | 17:32 |
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| jonwil | ok, looks like someone already wrote libicd-network-wpa :) | 18:12 |
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| Pali | jonwil, I remember that there is some code which calling wpa_supplicant | 18:21 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: sounds good, but you'd better not touch libc | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | zeq: which gcc is that, 4.7.2? | 18:27 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: is it a problem to rebuild libc from the maemo libc source pkg? | 18:28 |
| zeq | right now I'm just extracting the maemo libc bin pkg into my build tree. | 18:29 |
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| trx | zeq when you do that, can it be inserted into scratchbox as a new target? | 18:30 |
| zeq | but for a _proper_ sb toolchain it's necessary to (re-)build libc. | 18:30 |
| zeq | trx: yes, that's the usual method | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | zeq: ok, if you say so. I told you I am not SB guru. | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | :) | 18:31 |
| trx | zeq great | 18:31 |
| trx | please let me know when you complete it, i would like to have it :) | 18:31 |
| zeq | freemangordon: neither am I, I've just been reading the docs ;) | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | zeq: which toolchain is that, linaro gcc 4.7.2? | 18:34 |
| zeq | I'll make multiple builds | 18:34 |
| zeq | the new linaro toolchains | 18:34 |
| zeq | and vanila 4.6 maybe vanilla 4.7 | 18:35 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: why? | 18:36 |
| zeq | at least the neon intrinsics bug in linaro 4.6 has been fixed | 18:36 |
| zeq | don't know whether 4.7 is now good too | 18:36 |
| freemangordon | lets just stick to latest (so far) that does the job | 18:36 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: what was that 12.07 we were expecting? | 18:36 |
| zeq | that's probably linaro-4.6, maybe linaro-4.7. Need to test. | 18:37 |
| zeq | yep, new linaro's are out | 18:37 |
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| freemangordon | well, lets try them, and if they work, stick to them, why do we need 10 toolchains? | 18:38 |
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| zeq | of we don't :) it's just I need to build them to test them :P | 18:38 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: :) | 18:40 |
| freemangordon | zeq: BTW not that I am trying to push you or something, but isn't it better to update the bug report for fennec, I think romaxa wats for some progress from our side. Unfortunately I don't have time now to do it, as I am preparing a new cssu-thumb update | 18:42 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: you're right, I should. | 18:42 |
| zeq | I'll get on and do that shortly | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | zeq: fennec on n950 stutters in the same way as on n900 with HW accel enabled :( | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | I tried to disable it (on n950) but it is giving me white image, only while scrolling there is something | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | so it seems EGL is FUBAR on SGX | 18:45 |
| zeq | probably should ask romaxa about that | 18:49 |
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| zeq | I expected it to work on HARM | 18:49 |
| zeq | perhaps it's because the N950 has an older sgx driver? | 18:49 |
| zeq | (compared to N9) | 18:50 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: don't think so | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | they should one and the same | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | *should have | 18:53 |
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| zeq | N9 has seen a lot more updates hasn't it? | 18:57 |
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| zeq | need somebody with a N9 to compare | 18:57 |
| zeq | I need to go mow the grass before the gf gets back. I'll get onto that bug afterwards :) | 18:58 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: ok | 18:59 |
| RiD | real men cut grass one by one | 18:59 |
| RiD | they don't use mowers | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 19:00 |
| RiD | or "real men use flamethrowers to cut grass" | 19:00 |
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| zeq | might have been easier one blade at a time, tricky avoiding all the frogs! | 19:57 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: shall I attach the patches as they stand to new bugs, or change the defines as romaxa suggested first? | 20:06 |
| zeq | Romaxa felt it would be better to have a specific define for need_client_rotation | 20:07 |
| zeq | specificall he said USE_ORIENTATION_SENSOR_FOR_WIDGET | 20:08 |
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| zeq | I just made up the previous from memory :) | 20:09 |
| zeq | clearly it can't be trusted :P | 20:09 |
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| jonwil | does anyone here have an N900 that is (or has been in the past) connected to a WiFi network with any kind of security other than plain WEP? | 20:24 |
| jonwil | e.g. WPA | 20:24 |
| Sc0rpius | I use WPA2 | 20:24 |
| jonwil | ok | 20:25 |
| Pali | WPA2 | 20:25 |
| wmarone_ | WPA2 at home for the... entirety I've had my N900 | 20:25 |
| Sc0rpius | actually, who uses WEP anymore? | 20:26 |
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| jonwil | I do | 20:26 |
| Sc0rpius | :S | 20:26 |
| jonwil | my router is old | 20:26 |
| vi__ | you know something is up when you are ssh'ing from you n900 to you n950 because it is easier to fiddle that way! | 20:27 |
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| jonwil | ok, so for the guys who are using WPA, anyone here have only one WiFi network defined in their phone? | 20:28 |
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| user | no, sorry. | 20:28 |
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| Pali | no, I have a lot of APs | 20:28 |
| jonwil | ok | 20:28 |
| jonwil | actually thats still useful | 20:29 |
| zeq | vi___: keyboard not nice? | 20:29 |
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| zeq | vi___: no landscape? | 20:29 |
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| vi___ | zeq: landscape is...uh...poorly supported. | 20:32 |
| vi___ | and the xterm sucks | 20:32 |
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| zeq | you could port a better xterm? | 20:32 |
| vi___ | there is a 10-30mS lag on typing. | 20:33 |
| vi___ | zeq: ha | 20:33 |
| zeq | yuck | 20:33 |
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| zeq | rotation is client-side so it depends if the xterm is using pixman accel | 20:33 |
| vi___ | I literally have no idea. | 20:34 |
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| vi___ | I have had about 45 minutes to play with it in 2 days so far. | 20:34 |
| vi___ | It seems too fragile to risk as using as my primary fone. | 20:34 |
| zeq | vi___: MeeGo/Mer guys are convinced client-side rotation is the way to go. | 20:35 |
| vi___ | n900 4 lyf! | 20:35 |
| vi___ | zeq: that is the applications dealing with rotation themselves right? | 20:35 |
| zeq | yes | 20:36 |
| zeq | on Fremantle the xserver does it AFAIK | 20:36 |
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| zeq | so as far as client apps are concerned just the size changes | 20:37 |
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| vi___ | zeq: that seems kinda logical I guess. | 20:38 |
| zeq | each has its pros and cons | 20:39 |
| vi___ | however what happens if xorg tries to rotate AND the application tries to rotate? | 20:39 |
| zeq | I don't think the xserver on HARM/MeeGo supports it | 20:39 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ~bylaws | 20:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~future | 20:41 |
| infobot | future is probably bright | 20:41 |
| zeq | vi___: orientation transitions should be faster, are they? | 20:41 |
| vi___ | ~caniedit | 20:41 |
| vi___ | ~icanedit | 20:41 |
| vi___ | yes. | 20:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi___: did you get phone or not, you ignored me few times already =\ | 20:42 |
| vi___ | zogg, I leave my irc logged in at work. | 20:42 |
| vi___ | it is running through opera browser to get around them banning my work ip | 20:42 |
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| vi___ | so I miss al sorts of messages. | 20:43 |
| vi___ | yes. | 20:43 |
| vi___ | I have a sexy n950. | 20:43 |
| qwazix | kerio, find battery yet? | 20:43 |
| vi___ | it is the sexiest piece of hardware I have ever seen. | 20:43 |
| qwazix | s/find/found | 20:43 |
| vi___ | it is made of metal ffs! | 20:44 |
| vi___ | who builds a metal phone these days? | 20:44 |
| zeq | vi___: hopefully the Jolla devices will be as nice | 20:44 |
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| qwazix | vi___, i'm afraid the screen bezel is going to wear off | 20:44 |
| vi___ | zeq: agreed. Hopefully they will not have such a gimpy, girls OS as well. | 20:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: your pcam on github right? | 20:45 |
| qwazix | did you see that the paint is so thin the led shines through it? | 20:45 |
| vi___ | zeq: are you uk? | 20:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: on harmattan org repo | 20:45 |
| qwazix | right, | 20:45 |
| zeq | vi___: yes | 20:45 |
| qwazix | github.com/qwazix/rawcam | 20:45 |
| vi___ | I assume you do not have one? | 20:45 |
| qwazix | and also a fork at harmattan organization | 20:45 |
| zeq | vi___: me? I only have an N900 | 20:46 |
| zeq | (my 3rd N900!) | 20:46 |
| vi___ | well if you are ever in edinburgh, you can come and have a good play on it. | 20:46 |
| zeq | vi___: My gf loves Edinburgh ;) | 20:47 |
| vi___ | what city are you? | 20:47 |
| zeq | vi___: Bracknell, Berkshire | 20:47 |
| vi___ | berks! | 20:48 |
| vi___ | ...I have never been. | 20:48 |
| zeq | vi___: Right next to Ascot, SE of Reading. | 20:48 |
| vi___ | Or perhaps I went through on a canal boat once. I cannot remember. | 20:48 |
| vi___ | ZogG_laptop: as a new harmattan user, what are the must do/have things I should install/do first. | 20:49 |
| vi___ | ZogG_laptop: right now I am attempting to remap the keyboard. | 20:49 |
| vi___ | ~icaneditthis | 20:49 |
| vi___ | goddammit | 20:50 |
| zeq | I've only been to Edinburgh once. Visited with my girlfriend of the time. | 20:50 |
| vi___ | DocScrutinizer06: ping | 20:50 |
| qwazix | vi___, home screen settings for landscape | 20:50 |
| vi___ | zeq: tis a nice city. | 20:50 |
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| vi___ | qwazix: where is it? | 20:50 |
| qwazix | ovi | 20:50 |
| vi___ | do I have to enable extra repos? | 20:50 |
| vi___ | are there any extra repos? | 20:51 |
| vi___ | which is the best xterm? | 20:51 |
| qwazix | rzr's community repo and martink's gtk repo are a must | 20:51 |
| vi___ | is there an easy way to get debian chroot scripts up and running? | 20:51 |
| qwazix | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82114 | 20:52 |
| vi___ | qwazix: how does one add repos? do I edit sources.list? | 20:52 |
| qwazix | yep | 20:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi___: battery usage, filebox, iception, meecode(qr code), screenshots, imgrup(my app to uload imgs to imgur), there is reddit app. i dunno what else | 20:52 |
| qwazix | did you flash open mode? | 20:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi___: there are few really good games | 20:52 |
| vi___ | also, where the F* can Install vim from? | 20:52 |
| qwazix | vi___, no idea about vim | 20:52 |
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| vi___ | qwazix: not yet. | 20:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi___: on OBS there is vim. as well u might like finger term | 20:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | drop cache and apps4meego repo | 20:53 |
| qwazix | you 'd better do it now because it requires full reflash | 20:53 |
| qwazix | and you'll lose everything | 20:53 |
| qwazix | also debian chroot is blazingly fast | 20:53 |
| vi___ | I still have not found a proper pros/cons of each mode. | 20:53 |
| merlin1991 | vi___: it's easy | 20:54 |
| vi___ | qwazix: that is what has convinced me to keep the n950. | 20:54 |
| merlin1991 | closed mode: aegis | 20:54 |
| merlin1991 | open mode: no aegis | 20:54 |
| merlin1991 | nothing else | 20:54 |
| vi___ | merlin1991: but what do I lose? | 20:54 |
| merlin1991 | nothing | 20:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | qwazix: i have funtoo chroot now | 20:54 |
| merlin1991 | except for "security" | 20:54 |
| vi___ | merlin1991: what about paid for ovi content? | 20:54 |
| merlin1991 | still works | 20:54 |
| qwazix | the only problem I had (don't know if it's open mode related for sure) is that twitter auth went bonkers | 20:54 |
| qwazix | yep that I can confirm | 20:54 |
| vi___ | ~gentoosmite ZogG_laptop | 20:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: just install inception and aegisctl and than ariande aegisctl -s =) | 20:54 |
| * infobot spends 5 weeks recompiling ZogG_laptop, and when it's all done, ZogG_laptop runs no faster than previously | 20:54 | |
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| qwazix | and you gain a BSW :) | 20:55 |
| vi___ | so do I lose access to paid ovi store content with open mode? | 20:55 |
| qwazix | no, paid content works fine | 20:55 |
| vi___ | echo 3 > /opt/vm/drop_caches | 20:56 |
| vi___ | ^can i haz monies for my app naow? | 20:56 |
| vi___ | is there a harmattan equivalent of alarmed? | 20:57 |
| vi___ | it sounds like open mode is THE way to go. | 20:57 |
| qwazix | it has something called timed | 20:57 |
| qwazix | not sure if it is really equivalent | 20:57 |
| vi___ | qwazix: can I run scripts in a cron like fashion? | 20:57 |
| vi___ | doc|home: ping | 20:57 |
| qwazix | I don't know | 20:58 |
| vi___ | ~ificanedit | 20:58 |
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| vi___ | ffs | 20:58 |
| vi___ | what is it called? | 20:58 |
| qwazix | All I know it's the recommended api for apps if they want to do things in the background in an interval | 20:58 |
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| vi___ | qwazix: ty | 20:58 |
| vi___ | tiny debian laptop. | 20:59 |
| vi___ | I have literally waited decades for this device. | 20:59 |
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| qwazix | (and looks like a mac too) | 20:59 |
| vi___ | is ~/.profile aegis protected? | 21:00 |
| vi___ | ~icanedit | 21:00 |
| vi___ | ~ificanedit | 21:00 |
| vi___ | ~ificaneditthis | 21:00 |
| vi___ | ffs | 21:00 |
| vi___ | ~list | 21:00 |
| infobot | one warez list being sent | 21:00 |
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| vi___ | ~stfu infobot | 21:00 |
| qwazix | ehm, I think I saw that editing .profile results in bad things | 21:01 |
| qwazix | but I'm not sure it was harmattan | 21:01 |
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| qwazix | I bought this http://thenokiareview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Nokia-Capacitive-Stylus-SU-39-Nokias-Universal-Stylus.jpg, thought would be awesome with the N950 but it doesn't work (it apparently works only on C6's) It needs bigger touch area, and I wonder if filing the tip down would make it work (or destroy it) | 21:10 |
| qwazix | It does work if you touch the side of it to the screen though... | 21:10 |
| vi___ | .profile... | 21:12 |
| vi___ | edited! | 21:12 |
| vi___ | step 1. Colour xterm prompt. | 21:12 |
| vi___ | That is much more civillised. | 21:12 |
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| zeq | vi___: maybe you could tweak the touchscreen driver? | 21:39 |
| zeq | sorry qwazix I mean | 21:39 |
| zeq | it's probably a threshold in the driver, rather than a hardware feature | 21:40 |
| qwazix | zeq, to make the stylus work? | 21:40 |
| zeq | yeah | 21:40 |
| qwazix | nice idea, any pointers? do we know anything about the driver? is it open? | 21:40 |
| zeq | qwazix: no idea :) | 21:40 |
| qwazix | i'll have a look | 21:41 |
| zeq | chances are it's the X input driver | 21:41 |
| zeq | rather than the kernel module | 21:41 |
| zeq | just guessing though | 21:41 |
| qwazix | let's see what google has to say | 21:41 |
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| vi___ | I am frankly astounded at the sheer volume of shit in the ovi store. | 21:50 |
| Gh0sty | there is an ovi store? | 21:51 |
| Gh0sty | and you use it? | 21:51 |
| Gh0sty | never used it :p | 21:52 |
| Gh0sty | did i mis out? :p | 21:52 |
| wmarone_ | ovi store? | 21:52 |
| wmarone_ | heh | 21:52 |
| wmarone_ | my transactions were always rejected when buying... anything... from Nokia | 21:52 |
| qwazix | vi___, most of the apps are ovi app wizard rss readers, with misleading titles and high prices just to increase app count | 21:52 |
| vi___ | 1GBP for a 'wallpaper'. WTF. | 21:52 |
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| qwazix | Not only Nokia doesn't confine them to a category, it allows those misleading titles like cpubooster etc. | 21:53 |
| vi___ | Is that your mighty 1000000 appz apple? | 21:53 |
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| qwazix | zeq, google has absolutely nothing on the N9 touchscreen configuration, and only one result relevant to capacitive touchscreen sensitivity on linux, which gives a nice idea (find /sys | grep sensitivity) but that returns nothing | 21:54 |
| qwazix | neither find /sys | grep touchscreen or capacitive or touch | 21:55 |
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| vi___ | qwazix: it will not be listed as nicely as that. | 21:56 |
| vi___ | search for 'input0' | 21:56 |
| qwazix | hmm, lets see... | 21:56 |
| vi___ | or the name of the driver chip | 21:56 |
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| beford | probably #mer or #nemomobile people know i | 22:03 |
| beford | it* | 22:03 |
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| qwazix | ha! I found /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-2/2-004b/microamps_requested_AVdd | 22:10 |
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| qwazix | and microamps requested_Vdd | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~tell vi_ about may-i-edit | 22:10 |
| qwazix | and gains | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | qwazix: never occurred to me you could need to pipe find output to grep | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I always thought the -iname parameter was meant for that | 22:15 |
| qwazix | find alone fills your screen with permission denied's | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | uhuh, and piping stdout to grep doesn't? | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | find /sys -iname '*sensitivity*' 2>/dev/null | less | 22:16 |
| qwazix | yes it's stupid, I just copied it from a website and it's late so I didn't think about it | 22:17 |
| qwazix | I use find -name whatever when I write it by myself | 22:18 |
| qwazix | I just saw it didn't throw permission denieds and I thought that's why he did that | 22:18 |
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| qwazix | hmm, nothing obvious, anyway I give up for now | 22:29 |
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| freemangordon | to anyone who is interested - new cssu-thumb is out, includes thumb-compiled microb-engine | 22:34 |
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| vi__ | freemangordon: your my hero | 22:37 |
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| vi__ | I am going to go full retard here... | 22:38 |
| vi__ | is kp51 thump compatable? | 22:38 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: also, have you become so frustrated you have mapped tab onto your n900 kbd yet? | 22:39 |
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| freemangordon | vi__: kp51 should be compatible, but thumb mp- thingie is not ready yet, I am wating Pali to push changes to kernel-cssu | 22:42 |
| StyXman_ | more about jolla: http://www.intomobile.com/2012/07/11/interview-jussi-hurmola-ceo-jollamobile-audio-and-text-available/ | 22:42 |
| kerio | vi__: not on this n900, but i used to have it on fn+bksp | 22:42 |
| kerio | and esc on shift+bksp | 22:43 |
| kerio | and pgup/pgdn/home/end on fn+up/down/left/right | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | on a sidenote, pali not only spotted a bug in scratchbox today, but also ships a cssu-uninstaller now | 22:44 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer06: the bug Pali spotted is the same one that causes MAG to ship thumb-compiled binaries and is known for about an year ;) | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | yep, but not known it's genuine | 22:46 |
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| freemangordon | vi__: I didn't understand the "tab" question | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | vi__: BTW how do you like your n950 after playng with it for a while? | 22:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer06 burps | 22:48 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer06: does a hub connected to the n900 correctly report devices plugged in/removed? | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | yes | 22:48 |
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| kerio | so... why is nobody selling one-port hubs with a microusb B plug for the host and a microusb B port for power yet? | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's the tale | 22:50 |
| kerio | (also, how much power does the typical usb hub require for itself?) | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 100mA | 22:50 |
| kerio | so... 100+500+500? | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by definition more than real life | 22:50 |
| kerio | the wallcharger is 1100, in theory | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is it? | 22:51 |
| kerio | i thought it was | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, a proper externally powered USB hub should 'need' 0 from host, and deliver 500 to all downstream ports | 22:52 |
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| vi__ | kerio: this will blow your mind | 22:53 |
| vi__ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I'm not sure if it still negotiates 100mA for itself, with host | 22:53 |
| kerio | yeah but can you make a proper externally powered USB hub with one port that also delivers 500 upstream, if you only have the n900 wallcharger for power? | 22:53 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: I meant re-mapping n950 keyboard to include important keys like esc and tab | 22:54 |
| kerio | vi__: oh god don't do this to me | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: in theory: yes | 22:54 |
| vi__ | kerio | 22:55 |
| kerio | i'm pretending the default layout is enough because otherwise i have to start working on my layout again | 22:55 |
| kerio | to also add compositing accents and programming symbols | 22:55 |
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| vi__ | kerio: I have every conceivable key on the n900 board, including right and middle mouse clicks! | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WOOHOOO \o/ | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RMB MMB awesome! | 22:56 |
| kerio | neat | 22:56 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: it allows MMB pasting in xterm. | 22:56 |
| vi__ | which rules. | 22:57 |
| kerio | i might skip F1...F12 | 22:57 |
| kerio | so i have more space to fit italianities on the top row | 22:57 |
| vi__ | no more opening menu and clicking paste like a chimp | 22:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://www.electricimp.com/product/ - nice sdcard with WiFi | 22:57 |
| vi__ | kerio: well there are rumours even more than 4 levels. | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: cooool | 22:57 |
| vi__ | X K B C E P T I O N | 22:58 |
| kerio | vi__: yeah but you have to use the russian layout or some shit | 22:58 |
| vi__ | kerio: yeah. | 22:58 |
| vi__ | F6 is worth it though. | 22:58 |
| kerio | for what? | 22:58 |
| vi__ | it allows you to switch between xterm fullscreen on/off | 22:59 |
| kerio | ...shit, i need that | 22:59 |
| kerio | isn't F6 one of the volume keys? | 22:59 |
| vi__ | kerio: you certainly do. | 22:59 |
| kerio | hmm, i wonder if it's doable with shortcutd, with the camkey focus longpress | 22:59 |
| kerio | how fullscreen? | 22:59 |
| kerio | does the stupid toolbar stay? | 22:59 |
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| vi__ | once you have all this, you can go FULL full screen ALL THE TIME. | 23:01 |
| vi__ | none of that retarded pop-up symbols bullshit. | 23:01 |
| vi__ | no pressing tab on the soft row. | 23:01 |
| vi__ | you can get rid of stupid toolbar with a gconf setting | 23:01 |
| vi__ | it allows for a completely full fullscreen. | 23:01 |
| kerio | yeah, i used to do that | 23:01 |
| vi__ | f6 lets you come back | 23:02 |
| vi__ | ...and your the first person I have ever told. | 23:02 |
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| kerio | http://i.imgur.com/UoeZM.png <-- this is how i feel | 23:02 |
| vi__ | hah | 23:02 |
| kerio | vi__: i might try to do something with shortcutd | 23:02 |
| kerio | maybe camkey focus longpress | 23:03 |
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| vi__ | kerio: no way. save that for skip music track! | 23:04 |
| kerio | vi__: bitch please | 23:04 |
| kerio | i use bluetooth headphones | 23:04 |
| kerio | with full controls and shit | 23:04 |
| vi__ | -_- | 23:04 |
| vi__ | I like the stock headphones... | 23:05 |
| vi__ | is that so wrong? | 23:05 |
| Sicelo | stock N900 or N950? | 23:05 |
| kerio | vi__: you suck | 23:05 |
| vi__ | n900, the n950 does not come with headphones. | 23:06 |
| Sicelo | ah (well, didn't know about N950, lol) | 23:06 |
| Sicelo | anyway, vi__ .. i also like my N900 stock headphones :) | 23:06 |
| vi__ | n950 accessories include a usb cable and a cardboard cox. | 23:06 |
| vi__ | ^box | 23:06 |
| kerio | also, you haven't thought about using the proximity sensor for an extra mute key | 23:07 |
| kerio | maybe alt | 23:07 |
| kerio | vi__: how do i run something that pretends i inputted a key? | 23:07 |
| vi__ | xdo | 23:07 |
| vi__ | or somthing | 23:07 |
| kerio | vi__: no, i want answers! | 23:08 |
| kerio | D: | 23:08 |
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| kerio | hm, xdotool | 23:10 |
| vi__ | I cant remember what it is called. what are you trying to do? | 23:10 |
| kerio | shortcutd has a "run shell command" setting | 23:10 |
| kerio | so i can make camkey focus longpress act as a F6 key | 23:11 |
| vi__ | how novel. | 23:11 |
| kerio | :3 | 23:11 |
| vi__ | why not just use the keyboard? | 23:11 |
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| kerio | because i have no idea whatsoever of what to do with the F keys | 23:11 |
| kerio | anywhere | 23:11 |
| kerio | neat, it works | 23:12 |
| vi__ | you can use them with programs in easy debian. | 23:12 |
| kerio | xdotool key F6 | 23:12 |
| kerio | vi__: easy debian is bullshit | 23:12 |
| vi__ | kerio: that was fast. | 23:12 |
| vi__ | kerio: I beg you pardon? | 23:12 |
| vi__ | kerio: easy debian is possibly the greatest thing on the n900. | 23:13 |
| vi__ | full access to the debian repos... | 23:13 |
| vi__ | just think about that for a moment. | 23:14 |
| kerio | vi__: by the way, your layout is ass | 23:14 |
| kerio | fourth level z and fourth level x are the same key | 23:14 |
| kerio | i mean, they're sent at the same time | 23:14 |
| kerio | vi__: easy debian is just a novelty | 23:15 |
| kerio | you really don't want to use those programs anyway | 23:15 |
| kerio | unless it's terminal stuff | 23:15 |
| vi__ | kerio: my layout is not ass you rude little fuckwit. | 23:15 |
| kerio | which runs fine in maemo | 23:15 |
| kerio | vi__: :c | 23:15 |
| vi__ | go read how the keyboard works. | 23:15 |
| kerio | vi__: i did, and i made tests | 23:15 |
| vi__ | there are certain 4th level bugs. | 23:16 |
| kerio | fn+shift+z and fn+shift+x do the same stuff for me | 23:16 |
| kerio | so mapping {} on them is useless | 23:16 |
| vi__ | that send pairs | 23:16 |
| kerio | at most you can map a key to one, and set the other to none | 23:16 |
| kerio | (the 4th level, i mean) | 23:16 |
| jonwil | ok, I posted all the notes on the things you would need to know to completly replace the Maemo5 WiFi infrastructure without breaking things | 23:16 |
| vi__ | well in my experiance, you rarely use a [ without a ] later. So this takes advantage of this and puts them both up. | 23:17 |
| vi__ | kerio: have a good think about it. you will see it is the best that can be made of an annoying hardware bug. | 23:18 |
| vi__ | jonwil: where? | 23:18 |
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| kerio | vi__: ...still dirty | 23:18 |
| Sicelo | jonwil: \0/ | 23:18 |
| jonwil | to maemo-developers | 23:18 |
| kerio | also it wouldn't work at all for nethack | 23:18 |
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| vi__ | jonwil: ty | 23:19 |
| jonwil | This is what you need to replace osso-wlan, osso-wlan-security, libicd-network-wlan, libicd-network-wps and libicd-network-eap | 23:19 |
| vi__ | kerio: it works fine for NH | 23:19 |
| jonwil | I suggest libicd-network-wpa is a good place to start for any new M5 wlan work | 23:20 |
| kerio | vi__: no, because i can't type ( to choose weapons in the menus and not tools | 23:20 |
| kerio | er, wrong way around | 23:20 |
| vi__ | what? | 23:20 |
| vi__ | ( | 23:20 |
| vi__ | and | 23:20 |
| vi__ | ( | 23:20 |
| kerio | no, ( and ) | 23:20 |
| vi__ | work fine | 23:21 |
| vi__ | ) | 23:21 |
| vi__ | ( | 23:21 |
| kerio | tools open stuff, weapons close them (in a way) | 23:21 |
| vi__ | () | 23:21 |
| kerio | vi__: yeah, if you can backspace and delete one of the two :) | 23:21 |
| vi__ | blue+h=( | 23:21 |
| kerio | oh right | 23:21 |
| vi__ | blue+j=) | 23:21 |
| kerio | wait, why did you add that to 4th level j/k then? | 23:21 |
| jonwil | hopefully the info I posted will be of value to someone | 23:21 |
| kerio | oh, for coding | 23:22 |
| kerio | i see | 23:22 |
| kerio | ...hrmpf | 23:22 |
| vi__ | because that pair has the same bug. | 23:22 |
| kerio | i want to say the same thing about [ and ], but you never want to select mimics anyway | 23:22 |
| vi__ | so you may as well make use of it. | 23:22 |
| kerio | (your layout has no {} btw) | 23:22 |
| vi__ | yes it does | 23:22 |
| kerio | oh, braceleft/braceright | 23:23 |
| vi__ | 4th n and m | 23:23 |
| kerio | i see | 23:23 |
| jonwil | ok, its 4am here, zzz time | 23:23 |
| jonwil | later guys | 23:23 |
| vi__ | bb jonwil | 23:23 |
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| vi__ | kerio: you are basically being told 3 years of tweaks hacks and scripts right off the bat here. whatever you think of has already been tried. | 23:24 |
| kerio | yeah, i used to have that kind of stuff on my old n900 (with a heavily modded italian layout) | 23:25 |
| vi__ | that xdotool on a shortcut? allready suggested to send a space character so stock media player would pop up virtual keyboard. | 23:25 |
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