IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-07-14

Estel_considering that I have 2 equal cells of BL-5J batteries, each current multiplied by 1,5 should be nothing it couldn't handle00:00
Estel_and would help with charging time on 3000 mAh capacity a LOT. Of course, if temp doesn't go so high as reported by ShadowJK00:00
DocScrutinizer05there's exactly one location to change value for current00:00
Estel_thanks in advance00:00
ShadowJK  # 7-1250 6-1150 5-1050 4-950 3-850 2-750 1-650 0-55000:01
ShadowJK  # 7-400 6-350 5-300 4-250 3-200 2-150 1-100 0-5000:01
ShadowJK  i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x42;00:01
Estel_(and due to me being working on 6800 mAh battery for N900 - using 3400 mAh 18650 cells from phillips - it's getting more and more important, to experiment with higher charging currents :P)00:01
ShadowJKso the 0x42 is 4 2, 4 = 950, 2 = 150. For power kernel 0x40 is more appropriate.00:01
ShadowJKor 71 for full rate charge and double battery00:02
DocScrutinizer05though ShadowJK's notation puzzles the living shit outa me ;-p00:02
Estel_ough. Will try to parse that, slowly :P00:02
ShadowJK0x71 for powerkernel, 1.2A rate00:02
ShadowJKthere was a bug somewhere else in the script wrt pk too, i forget00:03
Estel_noted, will compare it to charging script content, as I like to atleast understand what I'm changing ;)00:03
ShadowJKoh the status codes are different00:04
ShadowJKI think the comparison for full should include a check for A000:04
DocScrutinizer05afk, bbl00:04
Estel_erm, thanks00:04
Estel_maybe tomorrow I'll bhe able to parse that with understanding ;)00:05
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ShadowJKjust find that line and change the 0x42 to 0x7100:10
Estel_sure, sure, I understand it to this part :)00:12
Estel_but lets say I want, next day, to make it 1.300:12
Estel_how the hell should I know how to calculate it for kernel-power 50 or stock kernel?00:13
Estel_ShadowJK, ^^^00:13
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ShadowJKthe last number is the termination current. Because the stock kernel always uses 60-100mA power when connected to charger, I add 100mA to the termination current00:14
Estel_and I'm even more confused on this fix for KP about full charged. Still, I've3 used it with kp all the time, and it seemed to charge and detect full well00:14
Estel_Great piece of code, btw00:14
ShadowJKOh maybe that'sj ust a bug in my local version then00:14
Estel_now it's clear00:14
Estel_btw how do You check current used when connected to charger?00:15
Estel_via measuring ammount given00:15
Estel_and comparing it to reported by charging chip?00:15
ShadowJKBasically towards the end of charge, the charger chip will hold the voltage at 4.2V, while the current going into the battery drops. The last parameter specifies when to stop charging. About 50mA would be appropriate for a battery the size of BL-5J. However, with PR1.3 there's always 100mA draw from system, so making it 150mA instead means it'll effectively be 50mA for the battery00:15
Estel_yes, I'm aware of this flaw of pr1.300:16
Estel_but, with KP, my idle draw is about 4 mAh - 8 mAh (without charger connected)00:16
Estel_so it should be safe to use 1 anyway?00:16
Estel_the only way of measuring current used by device with charger connected - that I can think of - is measuring current going through charger cable, and comparing it to value reported on N900 solftware via i2cget, yes?00:17
Estel_or is there more easy way?00:17
Estel_and what about:00:18
Estel_<ShadowJK> oh the status codes are different00:18
ShadowJKCurrent used by system when connected to charger is a very very rough estimate, based on parasitic/phantom resistance on the N900 circuit board. Basically there's about .12 ... .13 ohm resistance between charger chip and the battery, this causes a voltage drop. If  we assumee that the charger chip is outputting either 950mA as ordered, or 4.2V as ordered (this assumes the input powersupply has enough power), we can from the voltage measured at the battery00:18
ShadowJK derive the voltage drop across that resistance path, and calculate the system use from that and reported current in/out of battery..00:18
Estel_<ShadowJK> I think the comparison for full should include a check for A000:18
ShadowJKThe system use estimate will be off when you change the charge current :)00:19
ShadowJKBut also, as for the 80-100mA value, you could just connect charger and order bq24150 to not charge at all, and observe the extra powerdrain :P00:19
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Estel_so   i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x00;    ,and check actual current?00:20
ShadowJKthat's actually 550mA charge00:21
ShadowJKit's something with "charger enable" in it00:21
Estel_I see00:21
Estel_but, just when I though I understand it...00:21
Estel_why the hell   i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x00;   is 550 charging?00:21
Estel_I though I just need to change last value?00:22
ShadowJKBecause that's the lowest rate of charge00:22
Estel_so keeping it at 4,2 and lowering charge to as low as 100 mA is special case?00:22
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ShadowJK42 means, 4 = 950mA charge current. 2 = stop when charge current has dropped to 150mA00:23
Estel_well, I'll check how it works with dual cell setup, thanks a lot for Your patience and explaining :)00:23
Estel_AIUI,   i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x20; means 750 full charging current, and stop when it reaches 50 mA00:24
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Estel_last question, probably - how to make more than 1250?00:24
Estel_(=7 )00:24
Gh0styfind a better job? :p00:25
* Gh0sty hides00:25
Estel_ough, I'm an idiot00:25
Estel_8 is 135000:25
Estel_9 is 145000:25
Estel_etc, yep?00:25
Estel_no, it isn't00:26
Estel_need to use hex, probably?00:26
ShadowJK1250 is maximum00:27
Estel_sorry for dumb questions, never messed up with i2c calls from hand :)00:27
Estel_absolute maximum, i.e. no way to override it?00:27
Sicelothere's actually a doc somewhere Estel_, that has the codes for the chip. ask ShadowJK :P00:27
ShadowJKbtw, here's a typical charge: the green is charge current, the red is voltage.00:27
ShadowJKThe fuzziness in the graph was because my N900 was on IRC and sending this data over wifi at the same time, causing varying power consumption :)00:28
Estel_Sicelo,  ShadowJK, thanks00:28
Estel_I see00:28
Estel_ShadowJK,  btw, where is this mentioned doc located?:P00:28
Estel_thanks a lot00:30
ShadowJKOn this graph you can see that current drops down to just under 50mA (must be a PR1.3 kernel), the battery is full and charge is stopped. As this is a bit of a shitty BL-5J, it doesn't take long before the voltage of the battery has dropped enough that the charger chip decides to do a top-up charge :)00:30
ShadowJKoh i guess that's more like 100mA and not-PR1.3..00:31
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DocScrutinizer51and chip restarts at a cell voltage that according to experience is 70..80 percent00:45
DocScrutinizer51but since PR13 kernel there's a powerhog eating 70mA as long as charger connected00:47
DocScrutinizer51this powerhog called mentorgraphics musbcore00:47
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ShadowJKdepends a bit on the battery01:04
RaimuWhat's the point of that?01:04
ShadowJKall my original bl-5j drop in voltage so fast that the charge is restarted within minutes01:04
ShadowJKthis japod from dx is phenomenal though01:05
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ShadowJKRaimu, iirc, the change is motivated in the changelog as bringing compatibility to more USB charging-only hubs, and other things that don't actually exist in real life01:05
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RaimuFair enough.01:09
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Estel_so how kernel-power fix it? By dropping this shit all-together?01:12
SpeedEvilAnyone used bluetooth to share the n900s wireless with an ICS tablet? - wondering for when my nexus arrives01:13
kerioSpeedEvil: ಠ_ಠ01:15
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kerioSpeedEvil: why bluetooth and not wifi?01:15
SpeedEvilWifi hostmode sucks power like a thing that sucks power.01:15
SpeedEvilAs in ~15%/hour or so of the battery - even without any 3g01:16
kerioit's not host mode, it still uses an ad-hoc network01:16
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kerioyeah, ad-hoc01:16
kerioSpeedEvil: can the ICS tablet connect via bluetooth DUN?01:16
keriobecause PAN support for maemo is kinda flaky, last i heard01:17
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SpeedEvilkerio: dunno :)01:18
kerioSpeedEvil: well try to find out (:01:19
SpeedEvilad-hoc is worse.01:19
SpeedEvilNeither side of an ad-hoc connection can powersave at all.01:19
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Estel_hey, N900's PAN works fine01:27
Estel_there is script for this, somewhere in TMO01:27
Estel_not to mention that I use DUN anyway :P01:27
SpeedEvilI was more meaning on the ICS - well - JB side.01:28
Estel_I was refering to:01:28
Estel_<kerio> because PAN support for maemo is kinda flaky, last i heard01:28
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Estel_SpeedEvil,  while using N900's Qt MobileHotspot, client can powersave?01:28
Estel_while only N900 can't?01:29
SpeedEvilIf it's host01:29
Estel_uring mobilehotspot, it is host ;)01:29
SpeedEvilif it's acting like an AP with powersaving - in principle the client can01:29
Estel_coo, I though it's just auto-configuration of ad-hoc01:29
SpeedEvili don't know if it doess support powersaving.01:29
SpeedEvilIf it's acting like ad-hoc - neither side can01:29
Estel_ell, if it could, N900 would powersave too, I think01:30
SpeedEvilAP side can't really powersave at all.01:30
* ShadowJK assumed it was adhoc01:30
Estel_ell, considering that N900's wireless host support wep only, it sounds kinda ad-hoc'ish01:30
SpeedEvilIt can just support clients powersaving.01:30
Estel_robably, easy to check - if client see it as AP or Ad-hoc. Or is it obfuscated?01:32
Estel_or obscufated01:32
Estel_or whatever01:32
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NIN101so seems microb has some hardcoded funny stuff which resets network.proxy.type to 0 on startup (thus disabling any proxies first), no matter what prefs.js /usr/lib/microb-engine stuff etc. says. Cool. Thx nokia.01:42
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DocScrutinizer05afaik wl1251 can't do AP01:59
Estel_NIN101,  maybe putting whole traffic through proxy, via ip tables?01:59
DocScrutinizer05so I'm in line with ShadowJK01:59
Estel_i.e pure ad-hoc - my experiences seems to confirm it01:59
DocScrutinizer05fake managed mode02:00
DocScrutinizer05aka fake AP02:00
DocScrutinizer05actually based on ad-hoc02:00
NIN101Estel: won't work.02:00
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NIN101good night.02:02
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Estel_bb, gn02:04
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DocScrutinizer05nice 'n' sleazy02:09
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*** Openfree` has quit IRC04:33 there something that would allow to run some program with a bigger size than fits the screen, like a virtual desktop? stuff like wireshark gets really tight with all the handles and toolbars taking half of the space04:42
jogaso I could have it running on some decent resolution and scroll around, instead of cramming all of into nearly-unusable04:43
joga*all of it04:44
jogafirst a bit sleep though04:44
SpeedEvilIn principle - easy debian'... should do that 'easily'04:44
SpeedEvilbut scrolling will not work well04:44
Hurrianjoga, vncserver -geometry 1920x1080 ?04:49
Hurrianthat, or a modified Xephyr that'll allow scrolling04:50
Hurrianmeh, it's about time Wireshark got a Hildon UI anyway04:50
Hurriantab it all.04:50
SpeedEvilxephyr with accelerometer scrolling04:51
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louisdkAnyone in there that own the N810?05:09
SpeedEvilSome here do. Not me.05:10
befordi do, but  i have not used it for a whil05:12
ShadowJKI've got one. The SD interrface appears to be dying on it.05:13
louisdkOk. Would you recommand buying it used to play with it or is the software totally buggy or dead?05:14
DocScrutinizer05I'd not worry bout the sw when buying used05:15
louisdkWell it should at least be usable right? :)05:15
DocScrutinizer05it been very usable until I switched to n90005:16
DocScrutinizer05GPS is crap though05:16
DocScrutinizer05it still serves as a SIP client in my living room, and occasionally I use it for serving mp3 or youtube to my stereo05:18
DocScrutinizer05or as radio in bathroom05:18
ShadowJKIt's seriously outdated and tired? Like the ram is insufficient these days for loading many websites05:18
* ShadowJK mostly has xchat on his05:19
DocScrutinizer05xchat was great, is great, and stays great on N81005:19
SpeedEvilI imagine the repos are bitrotting?05:19
SpeedEvilTo a degree05:20
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ShadowJKsome bitrot from when builder tried to build all fremantle things for diablo too05:20
DocScrutinizer05yeah, somebody should mirror them05:20
louisdkAs far as I see CSSU dev for N810 has been discontined (sort of) and some bugs are unresolved.05:21
louisdkBut well it's an old device :)05:21
louisdkStill fun for hacking and playing I think :P05:21
DocScrutinizer05I think I recall some year ago somebody did an awesome work boosting gfx performance by new drivers to unknown heights05:22
ShadowJKi think that was on smartq05:23
DocScrutinizer05or something like that (and most probably that someone been Stskeeps)05:23
ShadowJKOr then you're thinking of lcuk's liqbase, which benefits from 12 bits per pixel05:23
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, what, you haven't been mirroring them? :>05:23
SpeedEvilI've never had a n8*05:25
SpeedEvilOr even a n7*05:25
DocScrutinizer05anyway I still love to use N810 for maintaining dsl-routermodems etc05:25
psycho_oreosI think they were technically known as 770, not N770 or n770 for that matter05:25
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DocScrutinizer05even with the friggin useless bottom bar in xterm05:26
ShadowJKThe one with pgup/pgdn?05:26
DocScrutinizer05nah, there's sth about kbd05:26
ShadowJKAh i dont have that one05:27
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DocScrutinizer05 a fsckng useless empty bar with "abc" on right hand side05:28
louisdkDoes anyone know when Nokia will stop supporting and what'll happen next?05:28
DocScrutinizer05might vanish when you disable vkbd05:28
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, were you chasing up chinook/diablo old stuff? :)05:28
DocScrutinizer05nowhere, I don't service this N810 anymore, just use it as is05:29
ShadowJKlouisdk, dont know, but I predict dozens of people all claiming to represent "community" will argue endlessly about what to do05:29
DocScrutinizer05diablo, no chinook. chinook is really dead for good05:29
DocScrutinizer05while half a dozen of sane people silently created mirrors05:30
louisdkHopefully Jolla will make a forum when the spirit will live on. I asume that some people are dumping the site often...05:31
louisdk*the maemo-site05:31
psycho_oreosthough it would be nice if one could get a little more access to some parts of such as wiki, tmo, bugs, etc05:31
DocScrutinizer05for mirroring?05:32
psycho_oreosyup, read-only tarballed and compressed archive05:32
DocScrutinizer05though, such a thing bitrots in 1 week05:33
DocScrutinizer05esp tmo05:33
psycho_oreosalready nokia has officially stated they are not willing to beat around a dead dog. so maemo is already dead manufacturer-wise, like openmoko but the community is still there.. who knows when they'll finally pull the plug on maemo.org05:33
DocScrutinizer05don't compare OM to Nokia, please!05:34
* psycho_oreos withdraws that portion of the statement05:35
DocScrutinizer05esp OM infra is *still* up05:35
DocScrutinizer05even more than 3 month ago05:36
DocScrutinizer05well, not all05:36
psycho_oreosthough truth be told that when manufacturers cease to support such products, they usually don't publicise their timeline for destruction of support on old sites.. and so the sites silently disappear05:36
DocScrutinizer05definitely dead vservers like the buildserver got scrapped05:37
DocScrutinizer05luckily we never had such thing like tmo05:38
DocScrutinizer05well, there's been nabble05:39
louisdkWell. There're are still coding competitions and so on with devices donated by Nokia so it can't be totally dead yet.05:40
DocScrutinizer05maemo not dead05:40
psycho_oreosthose are meego-instances devices05:40
psycho_oreoswell not totally05:40
* DocScrutinizer05 beats psycho_oreosaround the block with cssu05:41
psycho_oreosthough fremantle is pretty much dead.. I think its joining its ranks with diablo, chinook, sardine, herring, etc05:41
psycho_oreosI meant manufacturer-wise lol05:41
psycho_oreosnot community-wise05:41
psycho_oreosi.e. no new N900 rolled out05:42
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louisdkpsycho_oreos: The fact that Nokia is donating devices to Maemo for developments of both MeeGo and Maemo apps is in my opinion showing that they care just a little bit about the Maemo community.05:55
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psycho_oreoslouisdk, if such is the case, I must admit that your perception is fairly diminuitive. Considering the fact that: 1) the way nokia handled the microUSB fault on N900 was really poor, 2) the way n9 was to be sold (i.e. in specific countries only), 3) the fact that n9 is also removed from the shelves because of poor lumia sales06:11
louisdkpsycho_oreos, Well Nokia is still giving N9's away to seminars like KDE Academy and has helped Jolla to start their company. So it strange that they are both reacting and supporting the platform at the same time.06:17
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MohammadAGvi__: Pong?12:28
MohammadAG23 hours late12:28
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* DocScrutinizer05 hands MohammadAG a glass of tea13:21
DocScrutinizer05pronto: what? if you want one as well, just ask!13:22
prontoi had this really weith thai iced tea thing yesterday13:23
DocScrutinizer05yes, you need a nice glass of tea as well. :-D13:24
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prontoweith= weird13:24
* DocScrutinizer05 prepares another glass of sweet moroccan nana-tea for pronto13:26
prontonever had that13:26
* pronto drinks13:26
pronto(i mainly drink yerba mate) :p13:26
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DocScrutinizer05I hope sun dried one13:31
rZris down ?13:33
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rZrup and dead ...13:36
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DocScrutinizer05probably moving to infra ;-P13:39
DocScrutinizer05back up again, funny enough under https13:40
DocScrutinizer05"thank you for attending Meego SF2011" WTF?!13:41
DocScrutinizer05What's Next for MeeGo13:42
DocScrutinizer05Submitted by Imad Sousou on 27 September, 2011 - 20:0113:42
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DocScrutinizer05MeeGo planet Latest posts from the community    MWKN Weekly News for Monday, 13 Feb 2012 21 weeks 4 days ago13:44
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DocScrutinizer05I'd say meego is "down" since Feb. 11.13:47
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saidinesh5hey guys.i think i m having trouble setting up scratchbox for harmattan development14:16
saidinesh5basically my Xephyr's display seems to be black14:16
saidinesh5when i do a meego-sb-session start14:16
saidinesh5thats my scratchbox output14:17
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DynamitI hate my N900 right now I Can't get U-boot to load omap1 kernel'n or kernel power 50 but every thing is right in the settings for U-boot what I can see14:18
saidinesh5and this is my Xephyr's output14:18
saidinesh5found the solution14:19
saidinesh5didnt think the nokia docs are outdated14:19
DynamitSomebody that think they have a solution for my problem?14:22
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kerioDynamit: sure, don't use uboot14:26
DynamitI have U-boot to dual-boot14:26
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saidinesh5okay this is weird... the Xerphyr's window size is bigger than my laptop's height and i cant seem to view half the applications :\14:29
saidinesh5any work around for this guys?14:30
saidinesh5(apart from getting a bigger external display)14:30
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Dynamitchange the display when writing in the terminal14:31
Dynamitstupid explanation on that14:31
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marbrui'm searching for the qt4.8 on maemo14:33
marbrufor my n90014:33
Dynamitsaidinesh5: -screen 854x480x16 reduce that to maybe ½ of that14:34
saidinesh5Dynamit: i changed the 480x854x16 to 854x480x1614:34
saidinesh5assuming it would take it as a horizontal device14:34
saidinesh5but thats even worse14:35
saidinesh5it looks like the window manager in N9 has a hardcoded screensize or something14:35
* saidinesh5 still gives the halving thing a try14:36
saidinesh5it doesnt work14:37
saidinesh5it only clips the view14:37
saidinesh5it doesnt scale anything14:37
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DocScrutinizer05saidinesh5: /topic14:44
saidinesh5DocScrutinizer05: ?14:44
DocScrutinizer05saidinesh5: you know, this chan has a topic, visible in usual IRC client at least via cmd /topic14:45
DocScrutinizer05marbru: i'm not aware of qt4.8 for maemo - might be me14:48
saidinesh5oh my bad.. didnt notice that...14:48
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NIN101 I connected some dots, this is how you can get microb to speak with socks proxies...15:26
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infobothmm... ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
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* DocScrutinizer05 ugts teotwaki15:57
kerioteotwaki: merry christmas15:57
teotwakihappy easter kerio15:58
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DocScrutinizer05~google google teotwaki16:01
DocScrutinizer05I guess there's a good reason for chanset _default doesn't include google16:02
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DocScrutinizer05~+chanset google16:04
infobotShowing google values on all channels...16:04
infobot  google = NOT-SET(155): # ##bspress ##bz-inc ##debian-br ##ducleague ##essy ##guleague ##icf ##kierra ##ols ##pxe ##stouteriks ##t42 #aegis #android #arl #arm-netbook #asterisk #asterisk-bugs #asterisk-dev #asterisk-doc #asterisk-scf #asterisk-scf-dev #botpark #brits #brlcad #buglabs #byumug #bz-inc #bzflag #bzflag-chat #bzleague #bzmods #casualti #catroid #crosstool-ng #curseforge #cyrannus #dbgc #debian #debian-bots #debian-br #debian-france ...16:04
infobotEnd of list.16:04
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marbruhow can i get qt4.8 on maemo17:39
marbrufor my n900?17:39
keriowhat for?17:42
Lava_Croftcuriousity killed the cat17:46
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marbruthe latest version of qt seems 4.717:48
marbruthere is possibilty to reach 4.8?17:48
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keriowhat for?17:58
marbrui've a n900 with maemo18:00
kerioyeah, that's what most people here have18:01
marbrui want to know even for future18:01
marbruwhen qt5 is ready18:02
marbruhow procede?18:02
Stskeeps4.8 and qt5 only works on Mer/Nemo for n90018:02
marbrumer and nemo are different from maemo 5?18:03
marbruin which?18:04
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Lava_Croftthe first two are meego, the second is maemo18:27
Lava_Crofter third18:28
Lava_Croftmy math is good18:28
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Sicelohmm, i think i finally got to bork my N90018:47
Sicelowhat is the /media/mmc1 mount point for?18:47
Siceloi mistakenly did a 'mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1' and copied about 1.5GB of stuff to /media/mmc118:49
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Sicelonow, i notice rootfs is 100% full (my N900 still boots fine, lol). and there are no other partitions in df -h output, eg, /home, /home/user/MyDocs are missing18:50
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Sicelowhat's interesting is that all these partitions are still intact. i suppose they got mounted under /18:52
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Siceloas for why, i don't know18:52
ShadowJKif emmc can't be mounted, a new blank /home is created on rootfs18:53
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Sicelomakes sense. but how is it that i can still access everything, eg Documents dir.18:55
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Siceloand i didn't mount anything manually now18:55
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sicelo|n900hmm, so let me check syslog for an answer18:58
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sicelo|n900nothing informative there19:15
sicelo|n900the generated fstab is fine, and has all the partitions19:16
* sicelo|n900 considers a reboot + fsck of emmc19:17
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keriohm, what generates /etc/fstab at boot, and how can you change it?19:18
ShadowJKsome scripts..19:19
ShadowJKfstab is generated after things have been mounted19:19
kerio...i don't even19:20
ShadowJKso its contents is rather pointless19:20
ShadowJKi could be wrong :P19:20
Siceloyeah, it is autogenerated. so you mean it will generate crap, lol ;)19:21
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Siceloi'm relieved that at least it boots19:26
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Sicelojeez! now absolutely no output for mount and df commands19:27
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Siceloeew, and Pali isn't here19:31
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Sicelowell, /proc/mounts seems to show i have a healthy system19:38
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Siceloquestion is.. why would 'mount' and 'df' not show that19:39
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Siceloand N900 still behaves as normal when i connect to usb19:39
Sicelocan one of you please paste me their /proc/mounts19:40
kerioSicelo: because of mtab silliness?19:44
Sicelomy /etc/mtab is blank. what about yours?19:44
ShadowJK1000+ bytes19:45
Siceloplease paste19:46
kerioSicelo: just ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab19:52
keriobtw, i have NO IDEA of what's going to happen if you do that19:52
kerioi mean, it *should* work19:53
keriobut it mightn't19:53
Sicelowell, i noticed that mtab doesn't have the 'continue' options that are in /proc/mounts19:54
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Sicelokerio, ShadowJK, please check what's in /media/mmc120:01
kerio...none of your business20:01
kerioit's my sd20:01
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Siceloah, thaks.20:02
keriodon't mention it :)20:03
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* Sicelo does a nice 'rm -rf /media/mmc1'20:03
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Siceloreboot time, again20:04
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Sicelogreat! this the the most useful 'rm -rf' out there20:11
Siceloall is fine now20:11
Sicelonow i know what happened. my earlier mounting mistake caused me to now i know what happened.20:12
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Sicelo/media/mmc1 was not mounted, but i copied to it about 1GB of stuff (actually an image of debian), in effect, saving to /20:13
Sicelonow, 71% free on rootfs20:14
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kerioSicelo: ubifs is weird as shit20:16
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: LOL20:47
DocScrutinizer05age old pun20:47
DocScrutinizer05[general advice] NEVER write anything to MyDocs or uSD from device, as ölong as those are actually mass-storage mounted20:48
kerioDocScrutinizer05: wat20:49
DocScrutinizer05btw I wonder if you could umount MyDocs; chmod a-w MyDocs; mount MyDocs20:49
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Siceloi actually had done a mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 but i guess it didn't succeed. either way, it was irresponsible of me not to look carefully at output of that mount21:03
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DocScrutinizer05df -h /media/mmc121:30
DocScrutinizer05run for shelter! spam homing in21:32
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# df -h /media/mmc121:32
DocScrutinizer05Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on21:33
DocScrutinizer05/dev/mmcblk1p1          483.6M    219.8M    263.8M  45% /media/mmc121:33
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# df -h /media/mmc121:33
DocScrutinizer05Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on21:33
DocScrutinizer05rootfs                  227.9M    218.5M      5.2M  98% /21:33
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# ls -l /media/mmc121:33
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r--    1 root     root           15 Apr  9 16:17 this-will-vanish-but-eat-your-stoage-nevertheless21:33
DocScrutinizer05>:-( unix-file-permissions21:35
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# stat /media/mmc1/  -> Access: (0555/dr-xr-xr-x)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)21:36
DocScrutinizer05still writes to /media/mmc1/foo happily21:38
DocScrutinizer05even creates  /media/mmc1/foo happily21:38
DocScrutinizer05WTF root can't forbid root to write to any dir?21:39
DocScrutinizer05whatever, make sure you write to mounted media, not to the mountpoint dir!21:40
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if friggin ke-recv (or whatever the "automounter" on the particular distro) couldn't also _clean_ _up_ on umounting a volume - I.I. delete the mountpoint dir21:44
Siceloat that time there was zero percent free space. not even to edit the mtab file21:44
jacekowskimount as ro21:45
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DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: you missed the point21:45
jacekowskiroot is supposed to be able to do everything21:45
DocScrutinizer05I wnna mount rw on a ro-dir21:45
jacekowskiincluding writing to unwriteable file21:46
jacekowskiand folders21:46
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DocScrutinizer05which actually seems no problem, modulo the ro-dir doesn't guarantee nobody writes to that rootfs-dir-mountpoint21:46
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DocScrutinizer05if ke-recv would nuke the mountpoint dir in /media on umounting sdcard, you had a trouble less as user21:47
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DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: I'd expect root to be alowed everything on chmod(1,2) but not on fopen(2)21:50
DocScrutinizer05well, ambivalent21:51
DocScrutinizer05probably I meant: root supposed to obey unset write perm bit of owner when owner is root21:52
DocScrutinizer05sure root should override all other user's perms, but when a file is root root 444 then I'd not expect root to be allowed to write to it21:54
NIN101try it.21:54
Macermy tyan board has bad caps too21:54
Macerno wonder it acts flakey21:54
Sicelohmm, then that file would almost be a ghost, i suppose. because no one has higher privileges than root, right?21:54
DocScrutinizer05NIN101: I did :-(21:54
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: see my comment about chattr/chmod above21:55
DocScrutinizer05nobody except root could set a file to root root 44421:55
DocScrutinizer05so root could also set it to root root 77721:56
DocScrutinizer05but as long as it's 444, root shouldn't be allowed to cheat on own decision21:56
DocScrutinizer05I.E a file is owned by root. Root says: chmod u-w. So after that user is supposed to not write to that file, no?21:58
DocScrutinizer05even when that user is root21:59
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DocScrutinizer05IOW to root, root is a normal user21:59
DocScrutinizer05I won't fix unix, I guess ;-P22:00
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DocScrutinizer05anyway for a file owner=root the first 4 bit of perms are useless (actually 2nd 4 bit)22:02
DocScrutinizer05except for sticky bit, so in fact the rwx 3 bits are useless22:02
* DocScrutinizer05 feels like it's time for a re-read of manpages and docs about unix file permissions and ACLs22:07
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louisdkHi. I have promised a friend to setup his newlybrought used N900. Without checking for updates or SSU-version I just installed CSSU which failed. The SSU version is 1.1.1. Should I try to updates packages via apt or just reflash?22:58
ShadowJKI don't know about ssu, but normally you never want to use apt23:00
DocScrutinizer05If you haven't done yet (unlikely): Upgrade to at least PR1.3, Nokia's last official major Maemo 5 update. PR1.3.1 is fine as well. If you're unsure if you have, Settings > About product should show Version beginning with 20.2010.36(PR1.3) or 21.2011.38(PR1.3.1).23:01
louisdkI've 3.2010.02-8 which seems to be PR1.1.1. In the update manager I have an updated called Maemo 5 Community SSU Package 21.2011.38-1Smaemo3 which fails.23:05
louisdkWell. Tries to upgrade though apt and see for fun what happens. Just reflash it if it goes wrong.23:07
ShadowJKapt isn't even designed to work23:08
louisdkHmm. Maybe I should try to uninstall CSSU and then upgrade to PR1.3(.1).23:10
louisdkWell. I'll try "apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr". It was written at the CSSU faq23:12
qpxif you still have PR1.1 you should update as soon as possible :)23:14
qpxbut reading your initial question23:14
qpxyou should simply flash PR1.3.1 (latest) and go ahead with CSSU23:15
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louisdkOff-topic. You installed sudser via root though SSH and got this message "Please read and close the popup dialog". LOL.23:16
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louisdkRunning apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr and x-ing my fingers.23:18
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louisdkYes. My device now reboots in loop. Think it's time for reflashing.23:24
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DocScrutinizer05louisdk: uninstalling CSSU is not supported. You should flash right away23:28
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DocScrutinizer05louisdk: instructions on are no kind suggestions, and are meant to get followed sequentially from start to end23:31
louisdkDocScrutinizer05, I'm already on it. Have setup/flashed a frew N900's over the years ;)23:32
louisdkDocScrutinizer05, I mean I've tried some things at this page:  but now I'm reflashing23:34
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DocScrutinizer05installation-faq are not a generic installation instruction - that's
DocScrutinizer05 actually23:36
DocScrutinizer05only if you got >>Problems? Check the Installation FAQ<<23:37
DocScrutinizer05so obviously in the Installation FAQ there won't be any instructions or problem workarounds that are already clearly explained in main page
qpxlouisdk: simply make sure you flash the latest PR1.3.123:47
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qpxand while installing CSSU you need some patience as it's sometimes not clear if/what it's doing23:50
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