| Estel_ | considering that I have 2 equal cells of BL-5J batteries, each current multiplied by 1,5 should be nothing it couldn't handle | 00:00 |
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| ShadowJK | sec | 00:00 |
| Estel_ | and would help with charging time on 3000 mAh capacity a LOT. Of course, if temp doesn't go so high as reported by ShadowJK | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's exactly one location to change value for current | 00:00 |
| Estel_ | thanks in advance | 00:00 |
| ShadowJK | # 7-1250 6-1150 5-1050 4-950 3-850 2-750 1-650 0-550 | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | # 7-400 6-350 5-300 4-250 3-200 2-150 1-100 0-50 | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x42; | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 00:01 |
| Estel_ | (and due to me being working on 6800 mAh battery for N900 - using 3400 mAh 18650 cells from phillips - it's getting more and more important, to experiment with higher charging currents :P) | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | so the 0x42 is 4 2, 4 = 950, 2 = 150. For power kernel 0x40 is more appropriate. | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | or 71 for full rate charge and double battery | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though ShadowJK's notation puzzles the living shit outa me ;-p | 00:02 |
| Estel_ | ough. Will try to parse that, slowly :P | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | 0x71 for powerkernel, 1.2A rate | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | there was a bug somewhere else in the script wrt pk too, i forget | 00:03 |
| Estel_ | noted, will compare it to charging script content, as I like to atleast understand what I'm changing ;) | 00:03 |
| Estel_ | hm | 00:03 |
| ShadowJK | oh the status codes are different | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | I think the comparison for full should include a check for A0 | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk, bbl | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | erm, thanks | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | maybe tomorrow I'll bhe able to parse that with understanding ;) | 00:05 |
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| ShadowJK | just find that line and change the 0x42 to 0x71 | 00:10 |
| Estel_ | sure, sure, I understand it to this part :) | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | but lets say I want, next day, to make it 1.3 | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | how the hell should I know how to calculate it for kernel-power 50 or stock kernel? | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, ^^^ | 00:13 |
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| ShadowJK | the last number is the termination current. Because the stock kernel always uses 60-100mA power when connected to charger, I add 100mA to the termination current | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | and I'm even more confused on this fix for KP about full charged. Still, I've3 used it with kp all the time, and it seemed to charge and detect full well | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | Great piece of code, btw | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | ah | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | Oh maybe that'sj ust a bug in my local version then | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | now it's clear | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | btw how do You check current used when connected to charger? | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | via measuring ammount given | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | and comparing it to reported by charging chip? | 00:15 |
| ShadowJK | Basically towards the end of charge, the charger chip will hold the voltage at 4.2V, while the current going into the battery drops. The last parameter specifies when to stop charging. About 50mA would be appropriate for a battery the size of BL-5J. However, with PR1.3 there's always 100mA draw from system, so making it 150mA instead means it'll effectively be 50mA for the battery | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | yes, I'm aware of this flaw of pr1.3 | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | but, with KP, my idle draw is about 4 mAh - 8 mAh (without charger connected) | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | so it should be safe to use 1 anyway? | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | the only way of measuring current used by device with charger connected - that I can think of - is measuring current going through charger cable, and comparing it to value reported on N900 solftware via i2cget, yes? | 00:17 |
| Estel_ | or is there more easy way? | 00:17 |
| Estel_ | and what about: | 00:18 |
| Estel_ | <ShadowJK> oh the status codes are different | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK | Current used by system when connected to charger is a very very rough estimate, based on parasitic/phantom resistance on the N900 circuit board. Basically there's about .12 ... .13 ohm resistance between charger chip and the battery, this causes a voltage drop. If we assumee that the charger chip is outputting either 950mA as ordered, or 4.2V as ordered (this assumes the input powersupply has enough power), we can from the voltage measured at the battery | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK | derive the voltage drop across that resistance path, and calculate the system use from that and reported current in/out of battery.. | 00:18 |
| Estel_ | <ShadowJK> I think the comparison for full should include a check for A0 | 00:18 |
| Estel_ | ? | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK | The system use estimate will be off when you change the charge current :) | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | But also, as for the 80-100mA value, you could just connect charger and order bq24150 to not charge at all, and observe the extra powerdrain :P | 00:19 |
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| Estel_ | so i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x00; ,and check actual current? | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | that's actually 550mA charge | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | it's something with "charger enable" in it | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | I see | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | but, just when I though I understand it... | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | why the hell i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x00; is 550 charging? | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | I though I just need to change last value? | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | Because that's the lowest rate of charge | 00:22 |
| Estel_ | ouh | 00:22 |
| Estel_ | so keeping it at 4,2 and lowering charge to as low as 100 mA is special case? | 00:22 |
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| ShadowJK | 42 means, 4 = 950mA charge current. 2 = stop when charge current has dropped to 150mA | 00:23 |
| Estel_ | well, I'll check how it works with dual cell setup, thanks a lot for Your patience and explaining :) | 00:23 |
| Estel_ | yes | 00:23 |
| Estel_ | AIUI, i2cset -y -m 0xFF 2 0x6b 0x04 0x20; means 750 full charging current, and stop when it reaches 50 mA | 00:24 |
| Estel_ | yep? | 00:24 |
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| Estel_ | last question, probably - how to make more than 1250? | 00:24 |
| Estel_ | (=7 ) | 00:24 |
| Gh0sty | find a better job? :p | 00:25 |
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| Estel_ | ough, I'm an idiot | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | 8 is 1350 | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | 9 is 1450 | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | etc, yep? | 00:25 |
| Estel_ | no, it isn't | 00:26 |
| Estel_ | need to use hex, probably? | 00:26 |
| ShadowJK | 1250 is maximum | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | sorry for dumb questions, never messed up with i2c calls from hand :) | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | absolute maximum, i.e. no way to override it? | 00:27 |
| Sicelo | there's actually a doc somewhere Estel_, that has the codes for the chip. ask ShadowJK :P | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | btw, here's a typical charge: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/N900-BL5J-bq24150-std-4200-950-100.png the green is charge current, the red is voltage. | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | The fuzziness in the graph was because my N900 was on IRC and sending this data over wifi at the same time, causing varying power consumption :) | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, ShadowJK, thanks | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | I see | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, btw, where is this mentioned doc located?:P | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.ti.com/product/bq24150 | 00:29 |
| Estel_ | thanks a lot | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | On this graph you can see that current drops down to just under 50mA (must be a PR1.3 kernel), the battery is full and charge is stopped. As this is a bit of a shitty BL-5J, it doesn't take long before the voltage of the battery has dropped enough that the charger chip decides to do a top-up charge :) | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | oh i guess that's more like 100mA and not-PR1.3.. | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and chip restarts at a cell voltage that according to experience is 70..80 percent | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | charge | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but since PR13 kernel there's a powerhog eating 70mA as long as charger connected | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this powerhog called mentorgraphics musbcore | 00:47 |
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| ShadowJK | depends a bit on the battery | 01:04 |
| Raimu | What's the point of that? | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | all my original bl-5j drop in voltage so fast that the charge is restarted within minutes | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | this japod from dx is phenomenal though | 01:05 |
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| ShadowJK | Raimu, iirc, the change is motivated in the changelog as bringing compatibility to more USB charging-only hubs, and other things that don't actually exist in real life | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 01:06 |
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| Raimu | Fair enough. | 01:09 |
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| Estel_ | so how kernel-power fix it? By dropping this shit all-together? | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone used bluetooth to share the n900s wireless with an ICS tablet? - wondering for when my nexus arrives | 01:13 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: ಠ_ಠ | 01:15 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: why bluetooth and not wifi? | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | power | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Wifi hostmode sucks power like a thing that sucks power. | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | As in ~15%/hour or so of the battery - even without any 3g | 01:16 |
| kerio | it's not host mode, it still uses an ad-hoc network | 01:16 |
| kerio | er | 01:16 |
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| kerio | yeah, ad-hoc | 01:16 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: can the ICS tablet connect via bluetooth DUN? | 01:16 |
| kerio | because PAN support for maemo is kinda flaky, last i heard | 01:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | kerio: dunno :) | 01:18 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: well try to find out (: | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ad-hoc is worse. | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Neither side of an ad-hoc connection can powersave at all. | 01:19 |
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| Estel_ | hey, N900's PAN works fine | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | there is script for this, somewhere in TMO | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | not to mention that I use DUN anyway :P | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I was more meaning on the ICS - well - JB side. | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | I was refering to: | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | <kerio> because PAN support for maemo is kinda flaky, last i heard | 01:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, while using N900's Qt MobileHotspot, client can powersave? | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | while only N900 can't? | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's host | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | uring mobilehotspot, it is host ;) | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | if it's acting like an AP with powersaving - in principle the client can | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | coo, I though it's just auto-configuration of ad-hoc | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | i don't know if it doess support powersaving. | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's acting like ad-hoc - neither side can | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | ell, if it could, N900 would powersave too, I think | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | AP side can't really powersave at all. | 01:30 |
| * ShadowJK assumed it was adhoc | 01:30 | |
| Estel_ | ell, considering that N900's wireless host support wep only, it sounds kinda ad-hoc'ish | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | It can just support clients powersaving. | 01:30 |
| Estel_ | robably, easy to check - if client see it as AP or Ad-hoc. Or is it obfuscated? | 01:32 |
| Estel_ | or obscufated | 01:32 |
| Estel_ | or whatever | 01:32 |
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| NIN101 | so seems microb has some hardcoded funny stuff which resets network.proxy.type to 0 on startup (thus disabling any proxies first), no matter what prefs.js /usr/lib/microb-engine stuff etc. says. Cool. Thx nokia. | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik wl1251 can't do AP | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | NIN101, maybe putting whole traffic through proxy, via ip tables? | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I'm in line with ShadowJK | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | i.e pure ad-hoc - my experiences seems to confirm it | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fake managed mode | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka fake AP | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually based on ad-hoc | 02:00 |
| NIN101 | Estel: won't work. | 02:00 |
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| NIN101 | good night. | 02:02 |
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| Estel_ | bb, gn | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYqllpnyWrY | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice 'n' sleazy | 02:09 |
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| joga | hmm...is there something that would allow to run some program with a bigger size than fits the screen, like a virtual desktop? stuff like wireshark gets really tight with all the handles and toolbars taking half of the space | 04:42 |
| joga | so I could have it running on some decent resolution and scroll around, instead of cramming all of into nearly-unusable | 04:43 |
| joga | *all of it | 04:44 |
| joga | first a bit sleep though | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle - easy debian'... should do that 'easily' | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | but scrolling will not work well | 04:44 |
| Hurrian | joga, vncserver -geometry 1920x1080 ? | 04:49 |
| Hurrian | that, or a modified Xephyr that'll allow scrolling | 04:50 |
| Hurrian | meh, it's about time Wireshark got a Hildon UI anyway | 04:50 |
| Hurrian | tab it all. | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | xephyr with accelerometer scrolling | 04:51 |
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| louisdk | hi | 05:06 |
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| louisdk | Anyone in there that own the N810? | 05:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Some here do. Not me. | 05:10 |
| beford | i do, but i have not used it for a whil | 05:12 |
| beford | e | 05:12 |
| ShadowJK | I've got one. The SD interrface appears to be dying on it. | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 | 05:13 |
| louisdk | Ok. Would you recommand buying it used to play with it or is the software totally buggy or dead? | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not worry bout the sw when buying used | 05:15 |
| louisdk | Well it should at least be usable right? :) | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it been very usable until I switched to n900 | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GPS is crap though | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it still serves as a SIP client in my living room, and occasionally I use it for serving mp3 or youtube to my stereo | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or as radio in bathroom | 05:18 |
| ShadowJK | It's seriously outdated and tired? Like the ram is insufficient these days for loading many websites | 05:18 |
| * ShadowJK mostly has xchat on his | 05:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xchat was great, is great, and stays great on N810 | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I imagine the repos are bitrotting? | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | To a degree | 05:20 |
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| ShadowJK | some bitrot from when builder tried to build all fremantle things for diablo too | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, somebody should mirror them | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAAH!!!!!! | 05:21 |
| louisdk | As far as I see CSSU dev for N810 has been discontined (sort of) and some bugs are unresolved. | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | W*T*F?!?! | 05:21 |
| louisdk | But well it's an old device :) | 05:21 |
| louisdk | Still fun for hacking and playing I think :P | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think I recall some year ago somebody did an awesome work boosting gfx performance by new drivers to unknown heights | 05:22 |
| ShadowJK | i think that was on smartq | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or something like that (and most probably that someone been Stskeeps) | 05:23 |
| ShadowJK | Or then you're thinking of lcuk's liqbase, which benefits from 12 bits per pixel | 05:23 |
| psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, what, you haven't been mirroring them? :> | 05:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never had a n8* | 05:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Or even a n7* | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I still love to use N810 for maintaining dsl-routermodems etc | 05:25 |
| psycho_oreos | I think they were technically known as 770, not N770 or n770 for that matter | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | even with the friggin useless bottom bar in xterm | 05:26 |
| ShadowJK | The one with pgup/pgdn? | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, there's sth about kbd | 05:26 |
| ShadowJK | Ah i dont have that one | 05:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a fsckng useless empty bar with "abc" on right hand side | 05:28 |
| louisdk | Does anyone know when Nokia will stop supporting Maemo.org and what'll happen next? | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might vanish when you disable vkbd | 05:28 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, were you chasing up chinook/diablo old stuff? :) | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nowhere, I don't service this N810 anymore, just use it as is | 05:29 |
| ShadowJK | louisdk, dont know, but I predict dozens of people all claiming to represent "community" will argue endlessly about what to do | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | diablo, no chinook. chinook is really dead for good | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while half a dozen of sane people silently created mirrors | 05:30 |
| louisdk | Hopefully Jolla will make a forum when the spirit will live on. I asume that some people are dumping the site often... | 05:31 |
| louisdk | *where | 05:31 |
| louisdk | *the maemo-site | 05:31 |
| psycho_oreos | though it would be nice if one could get a little more access to some parts of maemo.org such as wiki, tmo, bugs, etc | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for mirroring? | 05:32 |
| psycho_oreos | yup, read-only tarballed and compressed archive | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, such a thing bitrots in 1 week | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | esp tmo | 05:33 |
| psycho_oreos | already nokia has officially stated they are not willing to beat around a dead dog. so maemo is already dead manufacturer-wise, like openmoko but the community is still there.. who knows when they'll finally pull the plug on maemo.org | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't compare OM to Nokia, please! | 05:34 |
| * psycho_oreos withdraws that portion of the statement | 05:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | esp OM infra is *still* up | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even more than 3 month ago | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, not all | 05:36 |
| psycho_oreos | though truth be told that when manufacturers cease to support such products, they usually don't publicise their timeline for destruction of support on old sites.. and so the sites silently disappear | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | definitely dead vservers like the buildserver got scrapped | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily we never had such thing like tmo | 05:38 |
| psycho_oreos | ..yet | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, there's been nabble | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *burp* | 05:39 |
| louisdk | Well. There're are still coding competitions and so on with devices donated by Nokia so it can't be totally dead yet. | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo not dead | 05:40 |
| psycho_oreos | those are meego-instances devices | 05:40 |
| psycho_oreos | well not totally | 05:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 beats psycho_oreosaround the block with cssu | 05:41 | |
| psycho_oreos | though fremantle is pretty much dead.. I think its joining its ranks with diablo, chinook, sardine, herring, etc | 05:41 |
| psycho_oreos | I meant manufacturer-wise lol | 05:41 |
| psycho_oreos | not community-wise | 05:41 |
| psycho_oreos | i.e. no new N900 rolled out | 05:42 |
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| louisdk | psycho_oreos: The fact that Nokia is donating devices to Maemo for developments of both MeeGo and Maemo apps is in my opinion showing that they care just a little bit about the Maemo community. | 05:55 |
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| psycho_oreos | louisdk, if such is the case, I must admit that your perception is fairly diminuitive. Considering the fact that: 1) the way nokia handled the microUSB fault on N900 was really poor, 2) the way n9 was to be sold (i.e. in specific countries only), 3) the fact that n9 is also removed from the shelves because of poor lumia sales | 06:11 |
| louisdk | psycho_oreos, Well Nokia is still giving N9's away to seminars like KDE Academy and has helped Jolla to start their company. So it strange that they are both reacting and supporting the platform at the same time. | 06:17 |
| louisdk | sleeptime | 06:19 |
| louisdk | bbml | 06:19 |
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| MohammadAG | vi__: Pong? | 12:28 |
| MohammadAG | 23 hours late | 12:28 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 hands MohammadAG a glass of tea | 13:21 | |
| pronto | O_O | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pronto: what? if you want one as well, just ask! | 13:22 |
| pronto | :D | 13:23 |
| pronto | <damands> | 13:23 |
| pronto | o_o | 13:23 |
| pronto | i had this really weith thai iced tea thing yesterday | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you need a nice glass of tea as well. :-D | 13:24 |
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| pronto | weith= weird | 13:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 prepares another glass of sweet moroccan nana-tea for pronto | 13:26 | |
| pronto | never had that | 13:26 |
| * pronto drinks | 13:26 | |
| pronto | (i mainly drink yerba mate) :p | 13:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope sun dried one | 13:31 |
| rZr | is meego.com down ? | 13:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/meego.com | 13:34 |
| rZr | up and dead ... | 13:36 |
| rZr | well | 13:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably moving to maemo.org infra ;-P | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | back up again, funny enough under https | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "thank you for attending Meego SF2011" WTF?! | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | What's Next for MeeGo | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Submitted by Imad Sousou on 27 September, 2011 - 20:01 | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohwell | 13:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MeeGo planet Latest posts from the community MWKN Weekly News for Monday, 13 Feb 2012 21 weeks 4 days ago | 13:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd say meego is "down" since Feb. 11. | 13:47 |
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| saidinesh5 | hey guys.i think i m having trouble setting up scratchbox for harmattan development | 14:16 |
| saidinesh5 | basically my Xephyr's display seems to be black | 14:16 |
| saidinesh5 | when i do a meego-sb-session start | 14:16 |
| saidinesh5 | http://paste.kde.org/517496/ | 14:17 |
| saidinesh5 | thats my scratchbox output | 14:17 |
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| Dynamit | I hate my N900 right now I Can't get U-boot to load omap1 kernel'n or kernel power 50 but every thing is right in the settings for U-boot what I can see | 14:18 |
| saidinesh5 | http://paste.kde.org/517502/ | 14:18 |
| saidinesh5 | and this is my Xephyr's output | 14:18 |
| saidinesh5 | ooooookay | 14:19 |
| saidinesh5 | nevermind | 14:19 |
| saidinesh5 | found the solution | 14:19 |
| saidinesh5 | didnt think the nokia docs are outdated | 14:19 |
| saidinesh5 | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3613 | 14:20 |
| Dynamit | Somebody that think they have a solution for my problem? | 14:22 |
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| kerio | Dynamit: sure, don't use uboot | 14:26 |
| Dynamit | haha | 14:26 |
| Dynamit | I have U-boot to dual-boot | 14:26 |
| Dynamit | daa | 14:27 |
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| saidinesh5 | okay this is weird... the Xerphyr's window size is bigger than my laptop's height and i cant seem to view half the applications :\ | 14:29 |
| saidinesh5 | any work around for this guys? | 14:30 |
| saidinesh5 | (apart from getting a bigger external display) | 14:30 |
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| Dynamit | change the display when writing in the terminal | 14:31 |
| Dynamit | stupid explanation on that | 14:31 |
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| marbru | i'm searching for the qt4.8 on maemo | 14:33 |
| marbru | for my n900 | 14:33 |
| Dynamit | saidinesh5: -screen 854x480x16 reduce that to maybe ½ of that | 14:34 |
| saidinesh5 | Dynamit: i changed the 480x854x16 to 854x480x16 | 14:34 |
| saidinesh5 | assuming it would take it as a horizontal device | 14:34 |
| saidinesh5 | but thats even worse | 14:35 |
| saidinesh5 | it looks like the window manager in N9 has a hardcoded screensize or something | 14:35 |
| * saidinesh5 still gives the halving thing a try | 14:36 | |
| saidinesh5 | nope | 14:37 |
| saidinesh5 | it doesnt work | 14:37 |
| saidinesh5 | it only clips the view | 14:37 |
| saidinesh5 | it doesnt scale anything | 14:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | saidinesh5: /topic | 14:44 |
| saidinesh5 | DocScrutinizer05: ? | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | saidinesh5: you know, this chan has a topic, visible in usual IRC client at least via cmd /topic | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | marbru: i'm not aware of qt4.8 for maemo - might be me | 14:48 |
| saidinesh5 | oh my bad.. didnt notice that... | 14:48 |
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| NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1237403#post1237403 I connected some dots, this is how you can get microb to speak with socks proxies... | 15:26 |
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| teotwaki | ~utg | 15:50 |
| teotwaki | ~ugt | 15:50 |
| infobot | hmm... ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 15:50 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 ugts teotwaki | 15:57 | |
| kerio | teotwaki: merry christmas | 15:57 |
| teotwaki | happy easter kerio | 15:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~google google teotwaki | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess there's a good reason for chanset _default doesn't include google | 16:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset google | 16:04 |
| infobot | Showing google values on all channels... | 16:04 |
| infobot | google = NOT-SET(155): # ##bspress ##bz-inc ##debian-br ##ducleague ##essy ##guleague ##icf ##kierra ##ols ##pxe ##stouteriks ##t42 #aegis #android #arl #arm-netbook #asterisk #asterisk-bugs #asterisk-dev #asterisk-doc #asterisk-scf #asterisk-scf-dev #botpark #brits #brlcad #buglabs #byumug #bz-inc #bzflag #bzflag-chat #bzleague #bzmods #casualti #catroid #crosstool-ng #curseforge #cyrannus #dbgc #debian #debian-bots #debian-br #debian-france ... | 16:04 |
| infobot | End of list. | 16:04 |
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| Lava_Croft | spamtastic | 16:35 |
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| marbru | so | 17:38 |
| marbru | how can i get qt4.8 on maemo | 17:39 |
| marbru | for my n900? | 17:39 |
| kerio | what for? | 17:42 |
| Lava_Croft | curiousity killed the cat | 17:46 |
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| marbru | the latest version of qt seems 4.7 | 17:48 |
| marbru | there is possibilty to reach 4.8? | 17:48 |
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| kerio | what for? | 17:58 |
| marbru | i've a n900 with maemo | 18:00 |
| kerio | yeah, that's what most people here have | 18:01 |
| marbru | ok | 18:01 |
| marbru | i want to know even for future | 18:01 |
| marbru | when qt5 is ready | 18:02 |
| marbru | how procede? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | 4.8 and qt5 only works on Mer/Nemo for n900 | 18:02 |
| marbru | mmm | 18:03 |
| marbru | mer and nemo are different from maemo 5? | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | very | 18:04 |
| marbru | in which? | 18:04 |
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| Lava_Croft | the first two are meego, the second is maemo | 18:27 |
| Lava_Croft | er third | 18:28 |
| Lava_Croft | my math is good | 18:28 |
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| qpx | :) | 18:31 |
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| HtheB | yo | 18:44 |
| Sicelo | hmm, i think i finally got to bork my N900 | 18:47 |
| Sicelo | what is the /media/mmc1 mount point for? | 18:47 |
| HtheB | sdcard? | 18:49 |
| Sicelo | i mistakenly did a 'mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1' and copied about 1.5GB of stuff to /media/mmc1 | 18:49 |
| HtheB | lol | 18:49 |
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| Sicelo | now, i notice rootfs is 100% full (my N900 still boots fine, lol). and there are no other partitions in df -h output, eg, /home, /home/user/MyDocs are missing | 18:50 |
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| Sicelo | what's interesting is that all these partitions are still intact. i suppose they got mounted under / | 18:52 |
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| Sicelo | as for why, i don't know | 18:52 |
| ShadowJK | if emmc can't be mounted, a new blank /home is created on rootfs | 18:53 |
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| Sicelo | makes sense. but how is it that i can still access everything, eg Documents dir. | 18:55 |
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| Sicelo | and i didn't mount anything manually now | 18:55 |
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| sicelo|n900 | hmm, so let me check syslog for an answer | 18:58 |
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| sicelo|n900 | nothing informative there | 19:15 |
| sicelo|n900 | the generated fstab is fine, and has all the partitions | 19:16 |
| * sicelo|n900 considers a reboot + fsck of emmc | 19:17 | |
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| kerio | hm, what generates /etc/fstab at boot, and how can you change it? | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | some scripts.. | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | fstab is generated after things have been mounted | 19:19 |
| kerio | ...i don't even | 19:20 |
| ShadowJK | so its contents is rather pointless | 19:20 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 19:20 |
| ShadowJK | i could be wrong :P | 19:20 |
| Sicelo | yeah, it is autogenerated. so you mean it will generate crap, lol ;) | 19:21 |
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| Sicelo | i'm relieved that at least it boots | 19:26 |
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| Sicelo | jeez! now absolutely no output for mount and df commands | 19:27 |
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| Sicelo | eew, and Pali isn't here | 19:31 |
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| Sicelo | well, /proc/mounts seems to show i have a healthy system | 19:38 |
| Sicelo | hmm | 19:38 |
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| Sicelo | question is.. why would 'mount' and 'df' not show that | 19:39 |
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| Sicelo | and N900 still behaves as normal when i connect to usb | 19:39 |
| Sicelo | can one of you please paste me their /proc/mounts | 19:40 |
| kerio | Sicelo: because of mtab silliness? | 19:44 |
| Sicelo | my /etc/mtab is blank. what about yours? | 19:44 |
| ShadowJK | 1000+ bytes | 19:45 |
| Sicelo | please paste | 19:46 |
| Sicelo | :- | 19:46 |
| ShadowJK | http://pastebin.com/fzcJaZ7V | 19:51 |
| Sicelo | thanks | 19:52 |
| kerio | Sicelo: just ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab | 19:52 |
| kerio | btw, i have NO IDEA of what's going to happen if you do that | 19:52 |
| Sicelo | heh | 19:53 |
| kerio | i mean, it *should* work | 19:53 |
| kerio | but it mightn't | 19:53 |
| Sicelo | well, i noticed that mtab doesn't have the 'continue' options that are in /proc/mounts | 19:54 |
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| Sicelo | kerio, ShadowJK, please check what's in /media/mmc1 | 20:01 |
| kerio | ...none of your business | 20:01 |
| kerio | it's my sd | 20:01 |
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| Sicelo | ah, thaks. | 20:02 |
| kerio | don't mention it :) | 20:03 |
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| * Sicelo does a nice 'rm -rf /media/mmc1' | 20:03 | |
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| Sicelo | reboot time, again | 20:04 |
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| Sicelo | great! this the the most useful 'rm -rf' out there | 20:11 |
| Sicelo | all is fine now | 20:11 |
| Sicelo | now i know what happened. my earlier mounting mistake caused me to now i know what happened. | 20:12 |
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| Sicelo | /media/mmc1 was not mounted, but i copied to it about 1GB of stuff (actually an image of debian), in effect, saving to / | 20:13 |
| Sicelo | now, 71% free on rootfs | 20:14 |
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| kerio | Sicelo: ubifs is weird as shit | 20:16 |
| Sicelo | agreed. | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: LOL | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | age old pun | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [general advice] NEVER write anything to MyDocs or uSD from device, as ölong as those are actually mass-storage mounted | 20:48 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wat | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I wonder if you could umount MyDocs; chmod a-w MyDocs; mount MyDocs | 20:49 |
| kerio | oic | 20:49 |
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| Sicelo | i actually had done a mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 but i guess it didn't succeed. either way, it was irresponsible of me not to look carefully at output of that mount | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | df -h /media/mmc1 | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | run for shelter! spam homing in | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# df -h /media/mmc1 | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mmcblk1p1 483.6M 219.8M 263.8M 45% /media/mmc1 | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# df -h /media/mmc1 | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rootfs 227.9M 218.5M 5.2M 98% / | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# ls -l /media/mmc1 | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15 Apr 9 16:17 this-will-vanish-but-eat-your-stoage-nevertheless | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 21:33 |
| Sicelo | SPAM | 21:33 |
| Sicelo | :P | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >:-( unix-file-permissions | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# stat /media/mmc1/ -> Access: (0555/dr-xr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still writes to /media/mmc1/foo happily | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even creates /media/mmc1/foo happily | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF root can't forbid root to write to any dir? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, make sure you write to mounted media, not to the mountpoint dir! | 21:40 |
| Sicelo | yeah | 21:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if friggin ke-recv (or whatever the "automounter" on the particular distro) couldn't also _clean_ _up_ on umounting a volume - I.I. delete the mountpoint dir | 21:44 | |
| Sicelo | at that time there was zero percent free space. not even to edit the mtab file | 21:44 |
| jacekowski | mount as ro | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: you missed the point | 21:45 |
| jacekowski | ahm | 21:45 |
| jacekowski | root is supposed to be able to do everything | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wnna mount rw on a ro-dir | 21:45 |
| jacekowski | including writing to unwriteable file | 21:46 |
| jacekowski | and folders | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | which actually seems no problem, modulo the ro-dir doesn't guarantee nobody writes to that rootfs-dir-mountpoint | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if ke-recv would nuke the mountpoint dir in /media on umounting sdcard, you had a trouble less as user | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: I'd expect root to be alowed everything on chmod(1,2) but not on fopen(2) | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, ambivalent | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably I meant: root supposed to obey unset write perm bit of owner when owner is root | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure root should override all other user's perms, but when a file is root root 444 then I'd not expect root to be allowed to write to it | 21:54 |
| Macer | blah | 21:54 |
| NIN101 | try it. | 21:54 |
| Macer | my tyan board has bad caps too | 21:54 |
| Macer | no wonder it acts flakey | 21:54 |
| Macer | sigh | 21:54 |
| Sicelo | hmm, then that file would almost be a ghost, i suppose. because no one has higher privileges than root, right? | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: I did :-( | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: see my comment about chattr/chmod above | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody except root could set a file to root root 444 | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so root could also set it to root root 777 | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but as long as it's 444, root shouldn't be allowed to cheat on own decision | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E a file is owned by root. Root says: chmod u-w. So after that user is supposed to not write to that file, no? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even when that user is root | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW to root, root is a normal user | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't fix unix, I guess ;-P | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway for a file owner=root the first 4 bit of perms are useless (actually 2nd 4 bit) | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for sticky bit, so in fact the rwx 3 bits are useless | 22:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 feels like it's time for a re-read of manpages and docs about unix file permissions and ACLs | 22:07 | |
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| louisdk | Hi. I have promised a friend to setup his newlybrought used N900. Without checking for updates or SSU-version I just installed CSSU which failed. The SSU version is 1.1.1. Should I try to updates packages via apt or just reflash? | 22:58 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know about ssu, but normally you never want to use apt | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 23:00 |
| infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If you haven't done yet (unlikely): Upgrade to at least PR1.3, Nokia's last official major Maemo 5 update. PR1.3.1 is fine as well. If you're unsure if you have, Settings > About product should show Version beginning with 20.2010.36(PR1.3) or 21.2011.38(PR1.3.1). | 23:01 |
| louisdk | I've 3.2010.02-8 which seems to be PR1.1.1. In the update manager I have an updated called Maemo 5 Community SSU Package 21.2011.38-1Smaemo3 which fails. | 23:05 |
| louisdk | Well. Tries to upgrade though apt and see for fun what happens. Just reflash it if it goes wrong. | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | apt isn't even designed to work | 23:08 |
| louisdk | Hmm. Maybe I should try to uninstall CSSU and then upgrade to PR1.3(.1). | 23:10 |
| louisdk | Well. I'll try "apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr". It was written at the CSSU faq | 23:12 |
| qpx | if you still have PR1.1 you should update as soon as possible :) | 23:14 |
| qpx | but reading your initial question | 23:14 |
| qpx | you should simply flash PR1.3.1 (latest) and go ahead with CSSU | 23:15 |
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| louisdk | Off-topic. You installed sudser via root though SSH and got this message "Please read and close the popup dialog". LOL. | 23:16 |
| qpx | lol | 23:17 |
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| louisdk | Running apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr and x-ing my fingers. | 23:18 |
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| louisdk | Yes. My device now reboots in loop. Think it's time for reflashing. | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | louisdk: uninstalling CSSU is not supported. You should flash right away | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | louisdk: instructions on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU are no kind suggestions, and are meant to get followed sequentially from start to end | 23:31 |
| louisdk | DocScrutinizer05, I'm already on it. Have setup/flashed a frew N900's over the years ;) | 23:32 |
| louisdk | DocScrutinizer05, I mean I've tried some things at this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ but now I'm reflashing | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | installation-faq are not a generic installation instruction - that's http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation actually | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only if you got >>Problems? Check the Installation FAQ<< | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so obviously in the Installation FAQ there won't be any instructions or problem workarounds that are already clearly explained in main page http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation | 23:38 |
| qpx | louisdk: simply make sure you flash the latest PR1.3.1 | 23:47 |
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| qpx | and while installing CSSU you need some patience as it's sometimes not clear if/what it's doing | 23:50 |
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