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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: [12.07.2012 18:48:56] <DocScrutinizer05> it loads a secondary NOLO from USB to RAM, to flash the primary NOLO to NAND | 00:02 |
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| kerio | oh, from USB | 00:02 |
| kerio | i missed that part | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [12.07.2012 22:10:41] <Pali> kerio, when coldflashing, OMAP bootrom will get boot image via usb to RAM and start it. that image (2nd) will wait for next image (nolo) via usb from flasher, flash it into nand bootloader area and boot it | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [12.07.2012 22:15:18] <jacekowski> kerio: and downloaded to n900 via usb to n900 ram | 00:03 |
| kerio | and that and that | 00:03 |
| kerio | although i wasn't here for the last two | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | who's buying MY pizza? ;-P | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, no delivery service will ship at that time | 00:06 |
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| kerio | which time? this time? | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 00:07 |
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| kerio | hm, what language is "Do." for thursday? | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm curious what you got now | 00:07 |
| kerio | german? | 00:07 |
| Sicelo | who cares about DocScrutinizer05? | 00:07 |
| Sicelo | :P | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 00:07 |
| kerio | -DocScrutinizer05- TIME Do. Jul 12 23:07:17 2012 | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks about right | 00:08 |
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| kerio | yeah, it feels kinda late for dinner | 00:08 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: you already get the satisfaction of telling people how wrong they are everyday. | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm aware that's the only thing that sticks in mind of those lurkers | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | however I'll not stop the habit, as I think it's actually also helpful | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | life is too short to watch interesting projects going awry due to flase assumptions or other errors you could've stopped | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, that's slightly toxic, I think. ;) | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let people discover their own way unless you're willing to really invest the time into helping them figure it out. | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm usually not telling "idiot, that's wrong". I try to show a better alternative | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | even when I'm not aware of the correct way/method, telling I ran into this or that deadend by using the same flase method still is a friendly act in my book | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/flase/false/ anyway | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I for one usually appreciate a "we already tried this, epic fail" | 00:25 |
| vi__ | why does my swap space fill up with shit? | 00:27 |
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| Asuup | Hello, can I get some help with my n900? | 00:33 |
| Asuup | Is this the right channel or should i be somewhere else? | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is the channel. | 00:34 |
| Asuup | (the problem is with updating libcurl3 to 7.25*** and/or connecting to extras-dev | 00:34 |
| Asuup | ) | 00:34 |
| Asuup | Just trying to get my FB widget to work. | 00:34 |
| Asuup | anyway, I installed the Cssu | 00:35 |
| Asuup | Eh... maybe I should structure myself from the beginning. | 00:36 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: with the new battery modules loaded and BME stopped, how does host mode work? | 00:38 |
| Asuup | So, I wanted to get my FB widget to work. Googled my problem and found this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84443 --- I tried to use the commands sudo gainroot & apt-get libcurl3 but it didnt allow me to do it without root. Then I installed the Cssu, which didnt fix the problem, and then I installed rootsh and via that I got the terminal commands to work. Got libcurl3 installed, | 00:41 |
| Asuup | but its not up to date (it is 7.18** and it should be 7.25**). I'm now trying to get update from extras-devel but i cant connect ( * extras-devel/dists/freemantle/free/binary-armel/packages 404 not found [ip**.**.**] | 00:41 |
| Asuup | Hope my wall of text doesnt scare you. | 00:42 |
| Asuup | And my catalogue info is correct, I have checked it few times. | 00:42 |
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| Asuup | Been here, no fix. http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-35737.html | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: I'd suggest you replace/edit my booston script to do whatever Pali suggested to start boostmode (proly "echo boost >mode" or sth like that) | 00:47 |
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| Asuup | .............................. | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Asuup: click the cat-eating first link in: | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 00:49 |
| infobot | from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:49 |
| Asuup | see my error? | 00:49 |
| Asuup | ../dists/freemantle/free/binary-armel/packages | 00:49 |
| Asuup | T_____________________________T | 00:49 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: so let me clarify... | 00:50 |
| Asuup | Free and fre... | 00:50 |
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| Asuup | Tho I will still do that, thanks DocScrutinizer | 00:51 |
| vi__ | if I have the 2 battery modules loaded and bme stopped, the n900 will behave as normal. It will charge and present mass storage/pc suite menu when I plug it into a USB host. | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | haha, yes. It won't do that without bme, usually | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there been some "trick" though, we used it in very early hostmode dev stage, when igoshin or blueled did that fake-hostmode | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly I'm amazed it shows that requesters when you plug it to host | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will it also show that requester when you plug device to a non-standard charger (missing D+- short)? | 00:59 |
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| kgu | Hi. Do any of you guys, know how to test dont-fragment bit on the ping command in maemo? | 10:37 |
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| merlin1991 | kgu: ping in maemo is busybox ping, so quite possible you'll miss the option todo that | 10:45 |
| flux | kgu, one option would be to use iptables to manipulate icmp packets so that they have the flag on | 10:46 |
| kgu | can I install another ping? | 10:46 |
| flux | no, I don't have the command off-hand :) | 10:46 |
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| flux | there appears to be iputils-ping available, perhaps it can do it | 10:47 |
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| kgu | iputils-ping did the job, thx! | 10:53 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Hi, need a recommended app for alarm/timer/stopwatch | 11:20 |
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| StyXman | LaoLang_cool: there is an alarm in the clock app, works fine (at least for me) | 11:21 |
| LaoLang_cool | StyXman, yes, but it's only for alarm, looking for timer/stopwatch | 11:22 |
| Lava_Croft | LaoLang_cool: there's a timerginny app orso | 11:26 |
| Lava_Croft | good app for what you seek | 11:26 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Lava_Croft, thanks, will try it | 11:30 |
| LaoLang_cool | oh, I can't find it at http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=timerginny&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same | 11:30 |
| LaoLang_cool | oh, find it, timerjinni ;p | 11:31 |
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| Lava_Croft | yeah, was about to type the correct name | 11:41 |
| Lava_Croft | :P | 11:41 |
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| Pali | merlin1991, are you here? | 11:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: merlin1991 is holiday@greece | 11:53 |
| Pali | ok | 11:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen merlin1991 | 12:24 |
| infobot | merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1h 38m 55s, last said: 'kgu: ping in maemo is busybox ping, so quite possible you'll miss the option todo that '. | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess that means either that even in Greece there are internet cafes or hotspots, or that he's already back | 12:26 |
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| vi_ | MohammadAG: ping | 12:38 |
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| Asoup | Hey, I was wondering that is there a way to connect to facebook as mobile, with n900? | 13:23 |
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| Asoup | I dont want to be -available- 24/7 | 13:24 |
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| chem|st | Asoup: ? | 13:33 |
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| chem|st | Asoup: you mean shown as mobile and not -available-? | 13:34 |
| Asoup | A picture is worth more than 1000 words | 13:34 |
| Asoup | http://cdn1.iconfinder.com/data/icons/facebook/mobileicon.png | 13:34 |
| Asoup | chem|st yes. | 13:34 |
| chem|st | that is on facebooks side to handle, the mobileapp in facebook vanished some time ago | 13:35 |
| Asoup | Thought so.. | 13:35 |
| chem|st | so the maemo app is no more recognized as mobile app | 13:35 |
| Asoup | any news if its going to be fixed or not? | 13:35 |
| chem|st | fixed... I doubt it | 13:36 |
| Asoup | Meh, well thanks anyway :) | 13:37 |
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| chem|st | Asoup: are you using the built in facebook msgr stuff? | 13:38 |
| Asoup | yes + the widget | 13:38 |
| Asoup | tried Fmobi but I hated it. | 13:39 |
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| Asoup | couldn't minimize the fmobi and the relogging is pain in the ass | 13:39 |
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| chem|st | ctrl backspace? | 13:39 |
| Asoup | oh ye, but doesnt fix the relogging | 13:40 |
| Asoup | I wan't to be connected to FB in one or two clicks | 13:40 |
| Asoup | not 35 | 13:40 |
| chem|st | it is actually so unimportant what state you show at facebook that whoever can be bothered I console... | 13:40 |
| Asoup | Well last night I tried leaving my fbook on my n900 | 13:41 |
| Asoup | 3 friends had told me to go sleep. | 13:41 |
| Asoup | so.. no. | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well :-x | 13:41 |
| chem|st | those problems I would like to trade for mine! | 13:42 |
| Asoup | 5 friends telling you to go sleep? | 13:42 |
| Asoup | :p | 13:42 |
| chem|st | people need to learn that we left the industrial era and joined the network/internet era... | 13:43 |
| chem|st | even my grandma made this step | 13:43 |
| Asoup | Wheres the problem? | 13:43 |
| chem|st | and I love to compare people with my grandma cause if even she is able to get it why should a 40year old not? | 13:44 |
| chem|st | Asoup: you complain about people telling you to go to sleep cause you left your phone logged in... | 13:45 |
| chem|st | "12:45 Irssi uptime: 71d 23h 15m 35s" is how long I am logged in... | 13:46 |
| Asoup | IRSSI, so different thing | 13:46 |
| Asoup | the users of fbook dont understand the uptime! | 13:46 |
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| chem|st | Asoup: nope in the next window is jabber and stuff, means also fb | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't understand FB users | 13:47 |
| Asoup | thats why I want the Mobile icon to show that I am away, but recieving messages! | 13:47 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: reminds me of getting sane people to use jabber and close my account! | 13:47 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: and pimp my website | 13:48 |
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| Asoup | ps. How accomplished is the android for n900? | 13:49 |
| chem|st | Asoup: tough and the pan is warm | 13:50 |
| chem|st | if you want android buy an android... | 13:51 |
| Asoup | Like melting butter? | 13:51 |
| Asoup | yeah thought so. | 13:51 |
| Asoup | >=( | 13:51 |
| Asoup | Thats maybe the biggest problem I have with n900 | 13:51 |
| Asoup | That i cant be "away" on fbook | 13:51 |
| chem|st | ~facepalm | 13:51 |
| * infobot facepalms at the situation | 13:51 | |
| Asoup | thanks. | 13:52 |
| Asoup | preciate it. | 13:52 |
| chem|st | ;) | 13:52 |
| chem|st | my biggest problem with n900s is "where to get cheap working n900s from" | 13:52 |
| Asoup | got for 100€ | 13:54 |
| Asoup | :3 | 13:54 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: new n900s on amazon-mp 265eur | 13:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: I'm broke atm | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but thanks | 14:00 |
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| vi_ | chem|st: Holy shit chemist. 71d?? Get some sleep man. | 14:01 |
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| chem|st | vi_: never! | 14:13 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: me too :/ | 14:13 |
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| dhbiker | hm | 14:26 |
| dhbiker | cleven dosent want to set wlan to monitor mode | 14:27 |
| dhbiker | wth | 14:27 |
| dhbiker | doesnt* | 14:27 |
| psycho_oreos | what's wrong with doing it all by hand? | 14:27 |
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| dhbiker | the aircrack thing ? | 14:27 |
| psycho_oreos | well yeah aircrack-ng suite via X terminal | 14:27 |
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| dhbiker | gui is quicker :P | 14:28 |
| psycho_oreos | oh yeah.. if you're lazy and/or multitasking :p | 14:28 |
| dhbiker | the first one.. | 14:28 |
| dhbiker | lazy | 14:29 |
| dhbiker | :P | 14:29 |
| * psycho_oreos imagines someone wardriving with N900 in one hand and the other hand on steering wheel lol | 14:29 | |
| dhbiker | xD | 14:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | and no.. reality-wise that'll be a ticket if you do get caught fiddling with `phone' whilst driving.. | 14:30 |
| dhbiker | indeed | 14:31 |
| dhbiker | bad idea | 14:31 |
| dhbiker | wjile driving | 14:31 |
| dhbiker | while* | 14:31 |
| psycho_oreos | I'd do it by hand to see if you can actually set it to monitor mode | 14:31 |
| dhbiker | it goe | 14:31 |
| dhbiker | s | 14:31 |
| dhbiker | but not in cleven | 14:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | not for some people who either: 1) like to multi-task, 2) can't stop fiddling with other things, 3) needs to `twit' real quick... | 14:31 |
| dhbiker | i also see this | 14:31 |
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| dhbiker | chmod: /etc/sudoers.d/cleven.sudoers: No such file or directory | 14:32 |
| dhbiker | i tried to reinstall it | 14:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | hmm.. I'm sure its a few lines (probably only one if anything..) in sudoers file | 14:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | if you tried reinstalling and there's no such file within the package then I suppose it was never included in the first place | 14:34 |
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| dhbiker | yeah but why does it say this then | 14:36 |
| dhbiker | x | 14:36 |
| dhbiker | XD | 14:37 |
| psycho_oreos | say what exactly? | 14:37 |
| dhbiker | no such file or directory | 14:37 |
| dhbiker | the other line is chown: /etc/sudoers.d/cleven.sudoers: No such file or directory | 14:38 |
| psycho_oreos | did you check to see if the package actually includes such file? | 14:38 |
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| dhbiker | not yet | 14:38 |
| dhbiker | i will now | 14:38 |
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| dhbiker | cleven experimental works | 14:41 |
| dhbiker | ill stick with this then :P | 14:41 |
| psycho_oreos | heh | 14:41 |
| dhbiker | yes i know i'm lazy :P | 14:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | well at least your problem is solved :p | 14:45 |
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| dhbiker | true :P | 14:47 |
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| FIQ|n900 | oh | 14:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | apparently I hit the time when the dpkg GUI checks for updates | 14:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | long time no see, which is just good | 14:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | hm | 14:53 |
| FIQ|n900 | this warez-thread on tmo, why isn't it removed yet? :p | 14:54 |
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| vi_ | is there anyone here who likes psy? | 14:55 |
| FIQ|n900 | hm | 14:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | why can't I just pay via my phone bill through ovi... | 14:57 |
| psycho_oreos | ask nokia lol | 14:58 |
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| chem|st | FIQ|n900: warez thread? | 15:05 |
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| FIQ|n900 | chem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81133 that one | 15:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | created over a half year ago lol | 15:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | duh, too late :-/ | 15:13 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: want the links? | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure ;-) | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki warez thread | 15:14 |
| infobot | I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=warez+thread&go=Go | 15:14 |
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| vi__ | does anyone know where maemo file manager gets its filetype icons from? | 15:26 |
| vi__ | Also, does anyone else type in the 'unknown' part of captcha just to fuk with the database? | 15:27 |
| vi__ | ^incorrectly | 15:27 |
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| jargon- | i keep reading on tmo that .mkv is supported on n900,but none of my mkv's are playable on my phone | 15:47 |
| StyXman | apt-get install mplayer? | 15:50 |
| kerio | "supported", he says | 15:50 |
| Lava_Croft | jargon-: your best bet is mplayer or kmplayer (which is just a gui for mplayer) | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | .mkv is also just a container aiui, what codec actually is inside may differ vasty | 15:52 |
| Lava_Croft | yes | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not all codecs may be supported by N900 | 15:52 |
| kerio | hm, why doesn't mafw support it? | 15:52 |
| kerio | i mean, it's a pretty kickass container | 15:52 |
| Lava_Croft | it's also not that widely used | 15:53 |
| kerio | isn't mafw just a gstreamer wrapper, anyway? | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.mkv | 15:55 |
| jargon- | Lava_Croft: any idea what (k)mplayer battery consumption is like? | 15:55 |
| Lava_Croft | jargon-: nope :< | 15:55 |
| jargon- | DocScrutinizer05: how do i find out what the actual codec is? | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no idea | 15:55 |
| kgu | yeah digsby going opensource :) Wonder if a port to maemo would be possible | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try handbrake, I heard that name several times now, I'd think a transcoder has also some diagnostic output | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe just trying to play it in mplayer cli shows the actual codec | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | as mplayer loads the file and prints info | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and, in case, might tell "no decoder for XY format" | 15:57 |
| Lava_Croft | yup | 15:57 |
| Lava_Croft | iirc i had trouble with mkv files before | 15:57 |
| Lava_Croft | i just quit bothering with em | 15:57 |
| jargon- | Lava_Croft: i quit mkv too,but i've run out of compatible files to watch. down to just mkv's now :-( | 15:59 |
| Lava_Croft | :< | 15:59 |
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| Lava_Croft | i bet theres always some nerd who can cough up 1001 reasons why mkv is better than any other container | 15:59 |
| Lava_Croft | but for me, mkv is just related to 'trouble with playback' | 15:59 |
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| jargon- | ^ | 16:03 |
| jacekowski | Lava_Croft: that's mostly because of codecs inside | 16:04 |
| Lava_Croft | jacekowski: yeah | 16:04 |
| jacekowski | Lava_Croft: and codes commonly used with mkv are ussualy HD codecs | 16:04 |
| jacekowski | and not so many devices can deal with them | 16:05 |
| Lava_Croft | im an end user, i just want shit to work:) | 16:05 |
| jacekowski | well, get faster device | 16:05 |
| Lava_Croft | cheaper is just to avoid mkv files:) | 16:05 |
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| jacekowski | if you want HD | 16:07 |
| jacekowski | then you can't really avoid MKV | 16:07 |
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| Raimu | Even the LQ material is in Matroska nowadays. | 16:15 |
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| kerio | and rightfully so | 16:37 |
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| mhoye | Hello, everyone. I don't know if this is the right channel for this question, but I'm wondering if it's possible to run the Hildon interface on x86. | 17:45 |
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| jacekowski | no | 18:03 |
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| jargon- | what about subtitles? | 18:10 |
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| jargon- | nevermind,it's sorted. :-) | 18:47 |
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| Estel_ | Woody14619, could You, kindly, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84647&page=11 | 19:48 |
| Estel_ | ...I think that commenting and clearing it is quite important thing to do before today's Council's meeting :) | 19:48 |
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| Estel_ | BTW, I would like to remind everyone interested, that Council meetings - open for participation of any interested Community member - as held every Friday on 18 UTC | 19:49 |
| Estel_ | = 1 hour and 10 minute from now | 19:49 |
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| Estel_ | We are honored and pleased, everytime Community members show up to chat with us (or bash us a little ;) ) | 19:50 |
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| jean_brat | hi DocScrutinizer | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hi jean_brat . sorry still busy at work | 20:04 |
| jean_brat | just 1 question | 20:05 |
| Sicelo | hi rcg | 20:05 |
| jean_brat | http://shopping.rediff.com/product/nokia-ca-157-cable--pen-drive-to-nokia-n8-mobile/10754911 | 20:05 |
| jean_brat | this can be used instead of F & F converter? | 20:05 |
| jean_brat | don know its N8 cable | 20:05 |
| Sicelo | jean_brat: yah, but, u will have to file the sides off | 20:06 |
| jean_brat | i need your Go, before i order this | 20:06 |
| jean_brat | micro usb pins at the bottom? | 20:06 |
| jean_brat | notches* you mean? | 20:06 |
| Sicelo | N8 cable is rectangular at device end, so you will need to file the 'top' sides to be trapezoid like your CA-101 | 20:07 |
| jean_brat | ohh ok | 20:07 |
| Sicelo | otherwise it is reported to work. i have the F-F adapater, and a diy Y-cable for those times i need external power | 20:08 |
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| rcg | Sicelo: hi | 20:08 |
| Sicelo | rcg: i assume you're in SA :) | 20:12 |
| Sicelo | mind a pm? | 20:12 |
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| rcg | Sicelo: i am | 20:14 |
| rcg | sure, go on | 20:14 |
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| Sicelo | kewl. i'm in Swaziland | 20:15 |
| rcg | well, am leaving tomorrow.. was just here for a conference | 20:16 |
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| rcg | "here" being south africa ;) | 20:16 |
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| kerio | jean_brat: i've been told it's really not worth filing a N8 adapter, considering that a F-F costs like two bucks | 20:22 |
| kerio | if you really want to buy something, buy the galaxy s2 adapter, the plug should fit in the n900 | 20:22 |
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| jean_brat | kerio, problem is i find this cable cheaper then F 2 F converter.. since its un conventional in my place. its available at a very premium price | 20:24 |
| jean_brat | these cables i will get for 3$ | 20:24 |
| kerio | jean_brat: the n900 microusb receptable is really something you don't want to dick around with, though | 20:24 |
| kerio | considering it's stupidly frail | 20:24 |
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| kerio | buy the samsung galaxy s2 one | 20:25 |
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| Sicelo | jean_brat: if you really can't source this, you could try the usb port's from otherboard trick. not the best soultion, but helps if you have no other option | 20:28 |
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| jean_brat | hmm ok | 20:28 |
| kerio | http://shopping.rediff.com/product/usb-otg-adapter-pen-drive-cable-samsung-galaxy-s2/11126114 this one looks fine | 20:28 |
| kerio | 2.80€, sounds about right | 20:29 |
| kerio | oh, hey, what do you know | 20:29 |
| kerio | compatible with nokia n900/n810 | 20:29 |
| jean_brat | cool..i will order this one | 20:31 |
| jean_brat | so this is flawless according to you? | 20:31 |
| kerio | there's a world between "flawless" and that cable | 20:31 |
| kerio | but it should work, yes | 20:31 |
| jean_brat | lol ok | 20:32 |
| kerio | flawless would be a tiny adapter that includes a 1-port usb hub and has a port for the wallcharger that provides .5A to the usb port and .5A to the n900 | 20:34 |
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| kerio | or, hell | 20:34 |
| kerio | a 2-port usb hub | 20:34 |
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| jean_brat | regular micro_usb goes fine with N8 is it? without any filing? | 21:01 |
| Sicelo | yes | 21:02 |
| Sicelo | might not feel tight though | 21:02 |
| jean_brat | hmm ok | 21:03 |
| Sicelo | and OTG will probably not work | 21:03 |
| jean_brat | OTG ? | 21:04 |
| Sicelo | N8 equivalent of host-mode | 21:04 |
| kerio | OTG needs a grounded pin, i think | 21:05 |
| jean_brat | which is not present? | 21:05 |
| kerio | \_o_/ | 21:06 |
| kerio | why do you want to use a n8 anyway? | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jean_brat: (usb hostmode adapter) a nice DIY is: get a *cheap* usb 4 port hub, preferably with micro-usb upstream receptacle. Cut one of the downstrem ports (A-receptacle) datalines, cut upstream port, solder upstrem traces to chip to the isolated downstrem A port, | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mark that port as "to N900" | 21:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | make sure VBUS (and GND ;D ) are common to all FOUR A receptacles and to hip trace to cut upstream port | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on such a mod-o-fied usb hub you can coonect one host (N900) and 3 peripherals, all with pretty standard A-M->(micro)B-M cables | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | otherwise listen to other users here, seems they were mostly right | 21:28 |
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| jean_brat | http://www.ebay.in/itm/Belkin-USB-4-Port-Powered-Desktop-Hub-F4U040sa-3yrwty-/261063024655?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3cc891a00f | 21:35 |
| jean_brat | i have this | 21:35 |
| jean_brat | and i ordered s2 cable with female connector to micro usb cable | 21:35 |
| jean_brat | this hub has micro usb port on the right also a power adopter pin | 21:36 |
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| jean_brat | and a cable micro usb male to USB male | 21:36 |
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| jean_brat | so what i have in mind is .. n900 -> s2 cable -> USB male cable to micro usb male-> to hub | 21:37 |
| jean_brat | and peripherals to other ports of the hub | 21:38 |
| jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, is this synthesise ? | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | sounds correct | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 21:50 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: thanks | 21:50 |
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| jean_brat | cool.. Thanks DocScrutinizer | 21:52 |
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| jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, few days ago i told you about the n900 keypad issue? | 22:05 |
| jean_brat | some keys are not working on my keyboard? | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | yep | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | UCOL4 iirc | 22:06 |
| jean_brat | whats that? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | QROW4? | 22:06 |
| jean_brat | yes it narrow down to some random keys.. its got nothing to do with row 4 | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ooh, good | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | means it's not (necessarily) twl4030 GAIA chip | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | could even be software then | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | or actually domesheet | 22:10 |
| jean_brat | a y x c e c t k o: a: including row 4 elements | 22:11 |
| jean_brat | i actually try to shift the domesheet and try to press the failing buttons | 22:14 |
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| jean_brat | but still no go | 22:14 |
| jean_brat | so its not the domesheet i feel | 22:14 |
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| jean_brat | btw.. i found a diagram on an arabic site | 22:15 |
| jean_brat | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-goH4sNWJUpA/Ts3YO3YfKUI/AAAAAAAABkk/VRt8ZSSQi6U/s1600/NOKIA+N900+KEYPAD.jpg | 22:15 |
| jean_brat | if you could explain where the GPIO stuff you were talking about? | 22:15 |
| jean_brat | btw what are the dotts on 1st row 3rd collumn.. about the key patch? | 22:16 |
| jean_brat | this has to be in contact with dome sheet? | 22:17 |
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| jean_brat | am off now . plz leave your reply | 22:22 |
| jean_brat | good night | 22:22 |
| jean_brat | or have a good day | 22:22 |
| NIN101 | eh, there doesn't seem to be a non-pita way to make microb talk with socks proxies, right? | 22:22 |
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| kerio | NIN101: microb uses icd, doesn't it | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jean_brat: please check http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic | 22:49 |
| NIN101 | I am trying to set some gconf value now... | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: how would you accomplish it for firefox? | 22:53 |
| NIN101 | going into the options, but there isn't anything. about:config isn't convinient. Some plugins I usually use don't work on microb. So... | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm | 22:55 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, on one of my newly aquired N900's "z" key is ove3r-reactive - i.e. it registers, on even slightiest touch | 23:07 |
| Estel_ | doesnt wait for actual clicking sound (which happens, if I press like normal) | 23:08 |
| Estel_ | I'm perfectly sure that it doesn't register "z" when I press ny other button, but due to being so over-reactive, it's very hard to write "a" without a glance touch on z | 23:08 |
| Estel_ | what could produce such outcome? | 23:08 |
| Estel_ | I'm sure it's nothing about chip. It just need touching with feather to register "z" pressed :P | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | worn domesheet | 23:11 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, ping | 23:11 |
| Estel_ | huh? | 23:12 |
| Estel_ | this white thing on PCB? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 23:12 |
| Estel_ | damn, I wonder if there are any chance to tear it and fix, or need to buy new overpriced one | 23:12 |
| Estel_ | and take PITA to replace it | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed a PITA | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some user claimed to have *ironed* his crumpled domesheet and fixed it that way. Hard to believe | 23:13 |
| Estel_ | any instructables about replacing, anywhere? | 23:13 |
| Estel_ | lol, ironed?! | 23:13 |
| Estel_ | could as good try hammering | 23:14 |
| Woody14619 | Heat applied to it could in fact fix it. Much like one can use heat to pop a dent in a car pannel. | 23:14 |
| Woody14619 | Usually it's the transistion (cold/hot/cold) that causes it. Makes the metal want to return to it's cast form. | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, it will need close inspection to decide what to do about it | 23:14 |
| Estel_ | i.e. cutting through white thing? Or taking it apart somehow? | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's sticky-attached | 23:15 |
| Estel_ | sticky as in easidly-removable, or sticky as it cant-unstick-it-without-tearing-to-pieces? | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably can peel off *carefully* | 23:15 |
| Estel_ | thanks godness z is close to beginning | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heat will help, as usual with sticky tape | 23:16 |
| Estel_ | well, nothing to lose when trying to heat via soldering iron, then stick ice to it :) | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moderate heat | 23:16 |
| Estel_ | after removing white thing | 23:16 |
| Estel_ | yea. If not repairable, domesheet is to be trashed anyway | 23:16 |
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| Estel_ | never tried to remove anything deeper than this white sticker | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I expect some conductive pad "inside" dome of 'z' came off | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc about actual build of domesheet "dark side" though, as I never removed any | 23:18 |
| Estel_ | hm, I'll investigate it carefuly, and report back | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | don't bend it too hard, it might deform | 23:19 |
| Estel_ | Despite intensive work on DIY CNC machine (it's working, just tuning it up for precision) I'm going to have *much* more free time now :) | 23:19 |
| Estel_ | and less grief :P | 23:19 |
| Estel_ | will try... | 23:19 |
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| user_ | why does swap fill up with shit, over time? | 23:37 |
| Estel_ | it doesn't, it just get fragmented | 23:38 |
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| ShadowJK | are you talking abotu device getting slower and sdlower | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | or the "Swap" value in top and whatever never going down? | 23:39 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, nice to see You. Some time ago, You told me about experiments with higher charging current, and risk of overheating. OTOH, DocScrutinizer is sure, that charging chip have thermal security, so there is no way to fry anything by messing via software | 23:41 |
| Estel_ | any comments, etc? I would like to be sure before trying to mess myself ;) | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't like the entire device getting warm | 23:41 |
| Estel_ | same here | 23:42 |
| Estel_ | the question is, when charging chip cut it off. If at 90 C degrees, it isn't fun anyway | 23:42 |
| Estel_ | it's related to work currently done on replacing BME (we're almost ready to throw it out for good :) ) | 23:43 |
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| Estel_ | we as Community, no me as writing this :P | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | Also the datasheet for the likely cell inside bl-5j specifies 0.7C charging current, or about 950mA, which is what bme does | 23:44 |
| Estel_ | thats not the problem in dual-cell setup. I'm worried about chip itself | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the chip is rugged solid | 23:45 |
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| ShadowJK | After the cellmo vanishing syndromes I'm not that keen on generating lots of extra heat inside N900 :P | 23:46 |
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| Estel_ | ShadowJK, swap-related question: | 23:50 |
| Estel_ | someone got idea of making two swaps on microSD, and instead ofg disabling and enabling them, he think about just enabling 2nd with higher priority... | 23:51 |
| Estel_ | Then, when reswap.stat report hitting swap size limit, just giving higher priority to first one... | 23:51 |
| Estel_ | well, it's going to still be fragmented, yep? | 23:51 |
| Estel_ | I'm thinking about implementing it in a way that doesn't introduce waiting time due to data being moved between swaps | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | maybe enabling 2nd with higher priority, adn disabling, then enabling again (with lower priority) 1st one, after some time (so it should have low amkmount of data on it) | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: actually the heat generated by bq24150 should be not that much, regardless of charging current. It's a step down converter | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | so it's "refreshed" and ready for getting higfher priority, after 2nd swap hits limit... and so goes on? | 23:52 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ShadowJK tried with just 1050 and temperature change was quite high, as compared to 950 (mA) | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most heat probably generated in cell itself | 23:53 |
| Estel_ | why so? | 23:53 |
| Estel_ | ok, I'm eager to try charging with 1200 mA on my dual-cell setting, it should be only 600 mA per cell. Of course, I'll monitor charging chip's reported temperature, closely | 23:54 |
| Estel_ | and cut it out on any sign of something bad happening | 23:54 |
| Woody14619 | Off for a bit... | 23:54 |
| Estel_ | what should I edit in charge.sh? | 23:54 |
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| ShadowJK | Estel_, yeah I used to do that on N8x0, which has different swap algorithm of course, but also on N900 it seems that it doesn't cut off all writes from the lower priority swap completely, which is sort of equivalent to fragmentation | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: no need to monitor temperature of chip, it shuts down when temp is too high | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | Estel_, at one point I had a script which created 64 swapfiles, and constantly rotated them.. each swapfile being small, so swapoff on it being fast.. didn't really work that well | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 64 :-o | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | might've been 128, I forget | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 23:58 |
| Estel_ | thanks for answer, ShadowJK... BTW, those 64 or 128 swapfiles sounds nice :D | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, scary | 23:59 |
| Estel_ | and for charge.sh? Any easy way to boost all current to 1.5 of their normal value, without destrying integrity and sensibility of charging script? | 23:59 |
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