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zsolthi there.i currently seeking a solution how to boot maemo from sd card.are there any rescue systems that boots from sd card?01:00
RaimuDang, there's a Opera Mobile 12 but maemo hasn't received its version yet.01:00
RaimuUsed to be those Nokia fans at Opera would make one for the n900 too, even though it's not an official platform target.01:01
SpeedEvilzsolt: It can be done - if you've already installed a bootloader on the main flash01:01
zsolti didn't01:01
zsolti need just a basic kernel and a busybox01:02
SpeedEvilzsolt: is your USB broken?01:02
zsoltmy filesystem is corrupted and cant boot my phone01:02
zsoltcan't reflash my phone since the battery is undercharged01:02
zsoltand got no idea what to if i am able to boot a rescue os that will do the trick i think01:03
zsolti will able to charge my battery01:04
SpeedEvilPlug it in, and start the flasher - it should do 'waiting for charge' or something01:04
SpeedEvilAnd it will charge up to the required level in the flasher01:05
zsoltproblem is that flasher cant see my phone,nor lsusb01:05
zsoltdmesg shows as nokia rom01:06
zsoltbut it says that it is disconnected01:06
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SpeedEvilyou may need to remove a USB module - it's been a while since I did this01:06
infobotsomebody said maemo-flashing was
zsoltonly nokia logo shows up darkly01:06
zsolttryed to press u button,nothing happens01:07
SpeedEvilHave you tried plugging it into the wallcharger for a day?01:07
SpeedEvilThe easy solution is to buy a cheap battery from ebay.01:08
zsoltyes,but i heard a rumor that the charging is intelligent,so if the os is messed up,it can't charge the battery01:08
SpeedEvilTo a degree, yes.01:09
qwazix_do you have any other old phone around (preferably nokia)?01:11
zsoltgot a 960001:11
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zsoltor something like that01:12
qwazix_You could try connecting the N900 battery to that, either if it partially fits, or using little cables, and charge it for a while01:12
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SpeedEvilThere are also very cheap usb chargers01:13
zsoltis it harmful?01:13
qwazix_I've successfully cross-charged nokia batteries by managing to make contact between the battery and phone even if the battery doesn't fit exactly01:13
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qwazix_the voltage is the same (you can always double-check that)01:14
zsoltgot a bl4c battery01:14
qwazix_and if you don't leave it to charge to full there should be no problem with capacity either01:14
zsoltand n900 uses bl5j01:14
zsoltthey are the same voltage :)01:15
zsoltthank you so much01:15
zsoltthere are 3 contacts in the phone01:16
SpeedEvilI'd just get a cheap one -
zsoltand in the batt01:16
SpeedEvilAt that sort of price - it's a no-brainer01:16
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potterHi there, please help me01:17
zsoltshould i contact the third one too?01:17
potterI want to flash my N900 but I dont know if I have to use the vanilla img01:17
qwazix_it seems that the +/- are differently arranged01:17
GeneralAntillespotter, what region is your N900?01:18
potterI think it is UK01:18
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GeneralAntillesCripes, somebody really uglified my pretty article. :(
SpeedEvilThey do that.01:19
potterwell, I need a little help, I am not very good with english01:20
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potterI read in a web that I dont need to use the emmc to flash it, it is only necesary with the preproduction01:21
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qwazix_zsolt, I wouldn't contact it like that, you have to match + to + - to - and ground to ground01:22
qwazix_it doesn't seem too easy. I've done it between bl4c and bl5c where at least the contacts have the same order01:23
qwazix_but you can always try, if you don't short cirquit it there should be no harm01:24
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potterGeneralAntilles, my maemo version is fremantle, is it an old version?01:34
SpeedEvilFremantle is the n900 version.01:34
SpeedEvilThere isn't a newer01:34
potterwich is the newer firmware version01:35
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qwazix_cross your fingers hildon-desktop is building on harmattan scratchbox...01:37
qwazix_let's see how it goes01:37
qwazix_bah, errors...01:37
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potterGeneralAntilles, gave me 2 links, wich one is the right one?01:47
potterone tells me to use the emmc, the other one just the firmware01:48
pottermmm, ok01:48
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potterGeneralAntilles, one more think, can I use any of the firmware regins? I am from latin america and I would like the global if it is posible01:50
GeneralAntillesI think global will be fine.01:51
GeneralAntillesJust don't use Chinese.01:51
RiDi found a weird link that redirects to maemo talk01:52
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qwazix_I've got two versions of a lib on my system, one in /usr/lib and another in /usr/local/lib, how I tell the linker which one to link against? Other dependencies are either in /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib01:58
potterto download the flasher, there are 2 versions, the 64 ver for harmattan and the 32 ver for fremantle and diablo, but the proble is that my os is a Debian 6402:00
potterwhen installin the package gives me error02:00
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zsoltproblem solved.put n900's battery inside an e90 and measured that is charging03:33
zsoltit fits great inside03:34
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zsoltnow nokia logo shows up brightly and blue led is on,but after that not booting and turns off03:46
zsoltcould somebody tell me what the hell is going on with my phone?03:47
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SpeedEvilAre you colour-blind?04:19
ShadowJKlight blue maybe04:32
prontobagel blue04:33
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zsolthi there.i reflashed my n900,but it boots slowly and lost my imei number09:39
zsoltcant do cellular calling09:39
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robbiethe1stFlash to PR1.309:46
robbiethe1stLikely you flashed an old version, which means that the modem firmware isn't compatible09:46
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robbiethe1stYou can't downgrade by flashing without losing your modem, due to the firmware incompatibilities.09:46
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zsoltproblem solved09:58
zsoltthank you09:58
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Macermy caps came :)11:20
Macerneed to fix this board tomorrow11:20
Maceri'm sure i need to practice.. hve to dig up an old board just to beta test my soldering skills on heh11:20
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zeqfreemangordon: I'm going to separate out the function changes and create new commits (and create upstreams bugs with patches).  Something really strange has happened with the rebasing, the same commits have been applied multiple times, that's why I was getting conflicts.12:01
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freemangordonzeq: yeah, git somehoe get confused. anyway, the good nes is that flash actually works, for some reason youtibe tries to sebd webm content, once disable (webm) flash kicks in and works12:04
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zeqfreemangordon: ah, ok :)12:08
zeqwebm should be working too though ;)12:08
freemangordonnow, the question is why webm does not work12:08
zeqI got video and audio for webm and x264 but it was <1fps12:08
zeqmuch less12:08
zeqlike a frame every 30s or something!12:09
Lava_Crofthows the work on fennec12:09
zeqfreemangordon: Since the video acceleration code works by sending the video direct to the compositor, I'm going to try it with the compositor enabled.12:10
freemangordonhmm, try it, sounds sane12:10
zeqbuild in progress12:10
zeqalso rebased again12:11
freemangordonshall I pull?12:11
zeqhold off pulling from github until I've cleaned it up12:11
Lava_Croftzeq: you mean SPF12:11
Lava_CroftSeconds per Frame12:11
zeqLava_Croft: it's going ok, hopefully romaxa will have the hw accelleration working soo12:11
zeqLava_Croft: yup12:12
Lava_Croftplease dont waste too much time on anything related to flash12:12
freemangordonLava_Croft: why?12:12
Lava_Croftflash doesnt really add anything to the n90012:12
freemangordonwe have pretty working plugin, why not use it.12:12
Lava_Croftbeen using it for over 2 years now, i barely ever used flash12:12
freemangordonLava_Croft: ORLY?12:12
zeqLava_Croft: as freemangordon mentioned, flash is working.  We also want webm and x264 working too, don't worry! :)12:13
Lava_Croftwell, i wouldnt want to induce any negativity over your motivation!12:13
zeqvia html video tag I mean12:13
Lava_Croftso roar! :)12:13
Lava_Croftsounds very promising12:13
Lava_Crofthows the speed as of now?12:13
Lava_Croftoverall fennec speed, that is12:14
zeqsimilar to microb12:14
freemangordonzeq: seems webm is broken, NFC why, all I get here is verry choppy sound (beyond recognition) and no video at all12:14
zeqfreemangordon: it took a while for a video frame to show for me12:15
freemangordonthere is something fubar in fennec, as I don;t see much CPU load12:15
zeqhopefully it's the compositor being disabled12:15
zeqwe'll see when my build completes12:15
zeqit doesn't explain the sound though... :S12:16
vi__zeq: freemangordon: Upload that shit to devel with a paypal link.  You will have a nice weekend.12:16
zeqfreemangordon: webm doesn't have an dsp accelerated codec does it?12:18
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freemangordonzeq: itshould have12:26
freemangordonif it is through gstreamer12:26
freemangordonwebm is actually a container AIUI12:26
zeqfreemangordon: I wasn't sure which codecs have dsp accel12:26
freemangordonor it is wp8?12:26
freemangordonzeq: h264, mp4, wmv12:27
freemangordonwhat format is video stream?12:27
zeqwebm is a container format, but I'm not sure what codec is usually used12:28
zeqit is VP812:28
zeqjust looked on wikipedia12:28
freemangordonhmm, no video accel then, but lemme check, just to be sure12:28
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zeqwhat's the DSP chip in the N900 called?12:31
freemangordondepends :). i could be TI DSP, IVA, C6440x12:31
freemangordonzeq: gimme some time to check what is the situation12:32
freemangordonoops, it is C64+, not c6440x ;)12:33
zeqif vp8 is open source, as it appears to be, we should be able to build an accelerated codec for it if there isn't already one.12:38
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freemangordonaccelerated as in?12:41
freemangordonvp8 os open source12:41
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zeqaccelerated as in using the DSP12:45
zeqor even just NEON SIMD12:47
freemangordonzeq: NEON is possible, forget about DSP codec12:47
zeqhave to check on the status of ffvp812:49
freemangordonthere is some NEON code over inet12:49
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fizzie"We are working at the moment on supporting VP8 across all our OMAP products and we will contact you directly with a schedule for your products based on OMAP3" -- TI guy in a comment in the blog post announcing VP8 support in OMAP4's video accelerator chip, in 2010; apparently (based on quick googling) nothing really came out of it.12:49
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freemangordonfizzie: yeah, saw that12:50
zeqjust been reading blog posts about :(12:51
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zeqI guess TI want to sell OMAP4s12:58
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freemangordonzeq: forget about DSP and TI, trust me on that12:59
freemangordonseems there is vp8 library on webm site13:00
freemangordonwith neon-accelerated scaler AIUI, going to pull the code13:00
saidinesh5hello guys........ i was wondering if there is any decent alternative to the personal webserver for the N913:05
saidinesh5basically i m thinking of packaging/porting
Jaffasaidinesh5: Without you defining why that *isn't* decent, I don't think we can answer13:05
saidinesh5for the N913:05
saidinesh5Jaffa:  basically a more functional client than a python -m SimpleHTTPServer13:07
Jaffasaidinesh5: Client? It's a server ;-)13:07
Jaffasaidinesh5: I'm not aware of any others, so packaging your own might be sensible.13:08
saidinesh5hehe the server part looks okay.. its just the browser client thats problematic with the first option ..13:08
saidinesh5Ah cool.. something to burn my weekend13:08
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freemangordonzeq: libvpx builds ok, it is neon accelerated, we just need gstreamer plugin13:23
zeqfreemangordon: ok, what does gst-plugins-vp8 use?13:26
freemangordonNFC, where is that?13:27
freemangordonwhat I have here is On2 VP8 decoder13:27
zeqin Gentoo portage, looking upstream...13:27
zeqit's part of the gst-plugins-bad set13:28
freemangordonyeah, the same on n90013:29
zeqthis is the lastest 0.10 version
zeqreleased 20-feb-201213:29
freemangordonzeq: actually if you donload webm file you can play it with mediaplayer, it is ok13:30
zeqnot that then :)13:30
freemangordontry to open webm test file with microb13:30
zeqI just get a box with a "X" in it13:32
freemangordonwell, try to download it in webm format13:33
zeq"Extra Decoders Support"13:34
zeqaudio is struggling13:35
zeqit's not quite managing to decode in real-time13:35
zeqI might well be with rebuilding "Extra Decoders"13:36
zeq(I tried WebM version of Big Buck Bunny trailer)13:36
freemangordonyeah, but the poin is that video is not 1/30 fps ;)13:37
zeqit's not what's causing webm not to work in Fennec though13:37
vi__freemangordon: So your thumb toolchain has neon enabled right?13:37
freemangordonvi__: not by default13:38
vi__Is it the only toolchain for the N900 with this?13:38
freemangordonvi__: no13:38
freemangordondefault toolchain supports neon too13:38
zeqneon is supported (in theory) by all the sb toolchains.13:38
freemangordonvi__: it is a different instruction set, something like MMX13:39
vi__freemangordon: So most of your speed gains in fennec are from thumb?13:39
vi__freemangordon: I know.13:39
freemangordonvi__: no13:39
zeq4.7+ is supposed to also do code generation and autovectorization for NEON too13:39
freemangordonvi__: fennec has some hand-coded neon13:39
zeqNEON SIMD intrinsics13:40
vi__So why is your version of fennec good and the older versions are bad?13:40
vi__(in terms of performance)13:40
zeqvi__: it's a combination of factors :)13:40
zeqthumb+neon, qt vs gtk, and improvements in mozilla generally13:41
vi__zeq: ok13:41
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zeqthe fennec XUL/gtk port has been bit-rotting it seems13:41
vi__What inspired you guys to start work on fennec?13:42
vi__It was practically abandoned.13:42
zeqvi__: for me, I wanted a browser with modern capabilities13:43
zeqI think the Maemo5 fennec port was abandoned because Romaxa moved to Harmattan13:44
vi__zeq: I do not know your username.  Have you worked on maemo before?  You seemed to appear just some weeks ago.13:44
zeqand that uses the qt version13:44
zeqvi__: I was lurking13:44
zeqNokia's abandonment inspired me to help out13:46
vi__If you are ever in my neck of the woods, I'll get you a beer.13:47
freemangordonzeq: gstreamer vp8 decoder uses libvpx13:48
freemangordonbut our version is very old, lemme try the new one13:49
zeqfreemangordon: is that NEON enabled?13:49
freemangordonzeq: nfc13:49
zeqvi__: some evidence of past projects can be seen on my github account (gentoo stuff)13:50
freemangordonzeq: it is, but newer hase more optimizations13:51
zeqworth having then :)13:51
zeqhopefully the newer compiler can eek out a few fps too13:52
freemangordonzeq: changelog says: 18-05-2010 - initial opensource release :D13:53
freemangordonlemme try the newer one13:53
zeqare you building gst-plugins-bad?13:53
freemangordonno, libvpx13:53
zeqthat has the gst plugin in the source?13:54
freemangordonno, that is the real decoder13:56
zeqgets called by the gst-plugin?13:57
freemangordonyep ;)13:57
zeq"making deb"13:58
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vi__~gitsmite zeq14:04
vi__~gentoosmite zeq14:04
* infobot spends 5 days recompiling zeq, and when it's all done, zeq runs 9% slower than previously14:04
vi__I like this one, the percentage changes each time.14:05
zeqjust like real-life ;)14:05
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zeqactually, it's not really true.  more like 50% faster :P14:05
jacekowski~gentoosmite aaaaaa14:07
* infobot spends 9 weeks recompiling aaaaaa, and when it's all done, aaaaaa runs 6% slower than previously14:07
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freemangordonzeq: deb build, lets see if it works14:17
zeqgood luck! :)14:17
zeqfreemangordon: did it work?14:22
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freemangordonzeq: yes14:24
freemangordonlemme restart to be sure the new lib is picked up14:24
freemangordonbut audio stutters again14:24
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zeqprobably isn't using it...14:25
zeqmaybe the gstreamer plugin is statically linked?14:25
freemangordonzeq: cpu is not loaded14:25
freemangordonit is about 50%14:25
freemangordonseems like some sync issue14:25
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freemangordonzeq: the same after the reboot14:31
zeqso it made no difference? or is cpu utilization lower?14:32
freemangordoncpu load is about 60% locked @ 60014:32
zeqdo you remember what it was before?14:32
freemangordoncould you check?14:33
zeqI can, let me just finish up with the git repo14:33
freemangordonhmm, actually CPU stays around 50% according to top14:34
freemangordonmafw-dbus-wrapper uses 33%14:35
zeqcolourspace conversion?14:44
zeqfreemangordon: Where you changed !MOZ_PLATORM_MAEMO == 5 to >5, are you sure that's okay for MEEGO/MER???14:46
zeq(as in !harmattan)14:47
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zeqjust checked in on #mer, they do the same as Harmattan, so I'll assume MAEMO>5 is true...14:54
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zeqfreemangordon: I can't determine whether fennec for mer is built with --with-maemo-version15:33
zeqfreemangordon: there a lots of cases where existing MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO has braces added.  That seems almost like white-space change in the patch, shall I drop those bits?15:43
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vi__freemangordon: Email yet?15:53
vi__How come the N900 does NOT announce the arrival of a new message (SMS) with an alert if you have the conversatsions already open?15:54
vi__It is utterly annoying as fuck.15:54
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vi__DocScrutinizer05: so you know what I am talking about?16:01
Macerwhat kind of solder do they use on these boards?16:01
DocScrutinizer05vi__: sure thing16:01
Macermy 35W soldering iron doesn't seem to be doing it16:01
Macerthat's what it says on it... it isn't mine16:01
DocScrutinizer05Macer: probably lead-free16:01
vi__What are you using? A beer cooler?16:01
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MacerDocScrutinizer05: :-/ i was testing my desoldering skills on an old modem and taking some capacitors off16:02
Macerto see how difficult it would be and it has proven more difficult than i thought16:02
DocScrutinizer05Macer: wrapping soldering iron with a cloth or paper towel might help increase temperature to the needed values16:02
Maceri figured it would be heat.. melt... pull... done16:02
vi__heat.. melt+pull.. done16:03
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Maceri only had 1 come off clean16:03
vi__heat.. melt+pool+pull.. done16:03
Macerand it didn't leave clean holes heh16:03
DocScrutinizer05Macer: desoldering components usually isn't a simple task, esp when you can't heat up all solder points/pins concurrently16:03
Maceryeah... i sure can't heh... i tried .. it's a wider tip16:04
vi__Yup, sometimes it is best to chop the component in half.16:04
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Macerand like i said.. only 1 capacitor came out clean16:04
Maceri was so proud.. the other 4 were a pain16:04
Macerand that was just the practice board heh16:04
Maceri feel lame :-/16:04
DocScrutinizer05commonly used tools: desolder wick, vacuum solder pump16:04
zeqfreemangordon: I've finished redoing the patches.  Shall I push now, or test build it first?16:04
MacerDocScrutinizer05: an actual constant pump?16:05
Maceri have one of those charge and suck ones16:05
Macerwhich sucks because of the recoil16:05
DocScrutinizer05I usually have to heat up each pin of e.g. a capacitor like 8 times, each time bending out capacitor another 0.2mm16:05
Maceryeah.. i did that to one16:05
Macerbut the holes didn't come clean :-/16:06
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DocScrutinizer05jumoing pinA->pinB->pinA->pinB...16:06
Macercan i just wrap a paperclip around the iron and poke through the holes?16:06
DocScrutinizer05last step: blow holes clean16:06
zeqMacer: I fixed a graphics card after a couple of components exploded after PSU failure, not sure how I managed to solder those surface mount diodes on...? I don't think I could do it now!16:06
DocScrutinizer05Macer: no, but you can heat up the hole from one side and poke in e paperclip from the other16:07
Macerzeq: patience i suppose. but it is a lot more difficult than i thought16:07
MacerDocScrutinizer05: ah ok... i was considering that as well16:07
Macerelectronic engineers can probably do this in like 3 mins heh16:07
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zeqMacer: helps to have the right gear16:08
vi__Macer: no, electronics technicians.16:08
vi__EE do the design ;)16:08
DocScrutinizer05honestly blowing sharply, or simply snipping against the PCB so tin comes out of hole by mere innertia works usually better16:08
Macerah heh16:08
Macerzeq: yeah probably16:08
DocScrutinizer05use a straw, blow to hole from component side after/while heating from solder side16:09
Maceri just have a charge and suck solder sucker and a 35W wide tipped iron16:09
DocScrutinizer05even better16:09
zeqfreemangordon: since I've not heard from you, I'm assuming you're too busy working to pull at once anyway, so I'm going to make sure everything works before pushing.16:09
Maceryeah but to do that i'd have to put the board in a vice or something16:09
DocScrutinizer05solder sucker works great for that16:09
Macerto keep it steady16:10
Maceri'm working freehand ;)16:10
Macermy buddy can do this with his eyes closed.. i guess it takes a bit of practice16:10
DocScrutinizer05I usuall do as well. Sometimes worth a photo or video ;-P16:10
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Macerwell. i will dig up another crap board from my drawers and keep practicing before i try on the actual motherboard i need to fix16:11
Macerthe solder seems a big harder to melt than most tho16:11
Macerthese guys can't use gold solder? :)16:11
DocScrutinizer05if you're fast, place the sucker tip next to hole, then heat up the solder, in 0.5s remove soldering iron and place sucker nozzle on hole and fire sucker, that usually works without vice16:12
DocScrutinizer05(solder) pb-free RoHS solder16:12
DocScrutinizer05a PITA16:12
MacerDocScrutinizer05: tried that ;)16:12
Macerseems to cool too quickly16:13
Macerplus. like i said.. the recoil on this damn sucker16:13
DocScrutinizer05yeah, speed is the key here16:13
Macermight as well use a shotgun16:13
DocScrutinizer05try a paperclip or a pencil16:13
Macerand just poke it out?16:14
vi__I was fortunate enough to get like 1kg of lead solder when the production guys where binning it at my work.16:14
DocScrutinizer05after melting, yes16:14
Macervi__: heh.. buddy of mine gave me some16:14
vi__I now only use lead solder.16:14
vi__Fuck dem EU haterz.16:14
DocScrutinizer05vi__: still no problem to get pb-solder here16:15
Macerat least if i do manage to get this to work... i'll have softer solder16:15
DocScrutinizer05easier than non-pb-solder16:15
vi__w00t.  It is now officially the weekend.16:15
vi__Imma go and get drunk16:15
vi__see you in 72 hours!16:16
DocScrutinizer05Macer: adding pb-solder to the joint to desolder changes eutecticum and thus makes desoldering easier16:16
Macerso add lead solder to it and desolder it?16:17
DocScrutinizer05yep, that's the idea16:17
DocScrutinizer05add "lots" of pb-solder and remove. do agin16:17
Macerlol! it would take less time to just try to get the stuff on the board off ;)16:18
DocScrutinizer05after 3 or 4 times "rinsing with pb-solder" it should be noticeably easier to desolder16:18
Maceri will practice some more soon16:18
Maceri haven't tried the board yet... for all i knkow it uses lead solder16:18
Macerbut i guess they tried hard to not use lead16:18
Macerfor obvious reasons16:18
DocScrutinizer05anyway, a pracice tip: don't forget to add solder even while desoldering16:19
Maceri'll try that on the next one ;)16:19
Maceri need to dig out another crap board i don't need16:19
Maceri was melting the caps on the old modem i dug up16:19
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Macerdesoldering failure16:20
Macernah well.. thanks.. i'm going to sleep.. i'll see how difficult it is to melt the solder on the board itself when i wake up16:21
Macerand if it is just as difficult i will just buck down and patiently repair it if i can16:21
Macerotherwise ebay a new mboard heh16:21
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DocScrutinizer05Macer: tip #1: wrap soldering iron with same warming cloth (even alu foil will do, some layers not too tightly wound around)16:24
DocScrutinizer05let iron heat up properly before touching the board16:24
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zeqfreemangordon: new master branch is pushed16:32
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freemangordonzeq: thanks16:43
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zeqfreemangordon: np16:44
freemangordonzeq: WTF? conflicts again :(16:45
zeqthat's because I made some changes, probably16:46
zeqI removed the dependence on QTMOBILITY for the maemo5 rotation support16:47
zeqfreemangordon: I'm off out in a minute.  I'll be back later.16:48
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freemangordonzeq: you've removed noncomposited too16:50
freemangordonzeq: if (mIsTopLevel || mListenForResizes) ???16:52
zeqokay, so I missed a couple of things16:53
* zeq is off now16:54
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freemangordonzeq: pushed, you may want to pull when you're back16:57
keriowill no video play if i (re)move every .conf in /etc/hildon-welcome.d?17:01
kerioat boot time, i mean17:02
kerioor will stuff break if i don't have at least one there?17:02
DocScrutinizer05will be as simple as that17:02
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DocScrutinizer05or at least that's what I'd expect17:05
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ¬.¬17:05
DocScrutinizer05could you please that emoticon to western style?17:05
DocScrutinizer05translate that*17:05
kerioU+00AC NOT SIGN, U+002E FULL STOP, U+00AC NOT SIGN17:06
DocScrutinizer05means "it's not"?17:07
DocScrutinizer05or not not?17:07
keriothe not sign is like a L mirrored against the \ diagonal17:08
kerioso it's shifty eyes, kinda17:08
DocScrutinizer05I see that17:08
keriothe full stop is a nose17:08
DocScrutinizer05I fail to get the meaning17:08
DocScrutinizer05since my eyes never look like not-signs17:08
keriomeh, nevermind17:09
DocScrutinizer05iow I understand the facial mimic expressed by :-)17:09
DocScrutinizer05or :-(17:09
kerioanyway, let's break the boot17:09
DocScrutinizer05or even :-/17:09
DocScrutinizer05but I fail to associate any emotion to  ¬.¬17:10
kerioi suppose that it's like -.-, but looking slightly at a side17:10
DocScrutinizer05even o.O isn't all strange to me17:11
keriohm, can i just remove hildon-welcome-default-logo?17:12
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kerioprobably not17:12
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keriohuh, nothing actually depends on it17:13
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: "Factory Default Logo" "The factory default animation to show during bootup."17:14
kerioi bet that removing hildon-welcome *will* break shit though17:15
DocScrutinizer05aah, the jumping dots ?17:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: no, i think it's the shaking hands17:15
kerionot sure, how do you see the installed files of a package?17:15
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DocScrutinizer05dpkg -L ?17:17
keriodoes that work with package names, or only .debs?17:17
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DocScrutinizer05dpkg -L hildon-welcome17:18
dhbikerkerio: you can replace that vid17:18
dhbikeri have it replaced17:19
DocScrutinizer05yeah, me too17:19
kerioyep, hildon-welcome-default-logo is hands-v32-h264.avi and hildon-welcome.d/default.conf17:19
infobotfrom memory, jrtools is
kerioi just don't want a video there17:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i had dontpanic for a while, but it's kinda bad17:19
dhbikeri have a blank file17:19
keriothe font choice is awful, the color choice is horrid, and the video is stuttery17:19
DocScrutinizer05not stuttery here, anyway create a better video and share it to me ;-D17:20
DocScrutinizer05as this one also been shared to me only17:20
kerioDocScrutinizer05: my video is already on your device17:21
kerioyou can find it at /dev/null17:21
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kerioanyway, i'm not going to remove the package17:21
kerioi'm just going to move the file in the config directory17:21
dhbikeryou can change it in config17:22
dhbikerno need to move it17:22
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you need to move any files in etc/hildon-welcome.d/ out of that location17:23
kerion900 minor annoyance #74: after shutting it down, you can't immediately turn it back on once the screen is off, because it's still shutting down, even if you have no way to know that17:23
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah, moved it in a "nope" subdirectory17:23
kerioand it works! :D17:23
dhbikeranyone still interested in equalizer ?17:23
DocScrutinizer05subdir should probably work, yeah17:24
DocScrutinizer05equalizer? tell me more!17:24
keriodhbiker: i'm interested in making sure pulseaudio can't harm my phone anymore17:24
dhbikeri was asking you DocScrutinizer05 like 6 months ago if you still remember17:24
DocScrutinizer05not really17:25
dhbikeri have it written... but still needs polishing17:25
dhbiker31 band :>17:25
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DocScrutinizer05a gstreamer plugin?17:25
keriowhy not 32 :C17:25
dhbikeri can make 32 too17:25
dhbikergstreamer plugin17:26
DocScrutinizer05\o/ even17:26
dhbikerwas quite annoying to get it to work -.-17:26
keriois there a way to make mafw use the dsp chip for audio too?17:26
dhbikerill look into that17:26
dhbikerDocScrutinizer05 teaser video soon ! :P17:27
kerioi'm not sure it'll spare battery, but at least i'd have the cpu mostly free when listening to music17:27
dhbikeryeah exactly17:27
keriooh, and having it not go through pulseaudio would be a plus17:27
kerioit takes about the same amount of cpu of the mp3 decoding17:27
dhbikerthat can be a problem17:28
kerioeven something custom would be nice17:28
dhbikerdo you use original media player ?17:28
keriotake mp3/m4a, put it through the dsp, push it to the bluetooth chip17:28
DocScrutinizer05there's still the hw-parametric-eq in ac3417:28
kerioor something17:28
keriodhbiker: not the interface, i use openmediaplayer17:28
keriobut it's just another interface to mafw, isn't it17:29
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: you usually don't want to use DSP for such "simple" tasks ;-D17:29
DocScrutinizer05I have to admit I got no faintest clue how mafw is playing e.g. flac files17:31
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DocScrutinizer05isn't it like mafw is only a wrapper around gstreamer?17:32
keriowelp, lost a bunch of messages i think17:32
keriocan someone pastebin the last minute or so17:32
DocScrutinizer05last 3 minutes had no posts basically17:32
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i think so, but with moar nokia17:32
keriolike, since my last message or so?17:33
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you usually don't want to use DSP for such "simple" tasks ;-D17:33
kerioDocScrutinizer05: why not?17:33
kerioDocScrutinizer05: there's only much cpu, and i can't use the DSP for browserd17:34
DocScrutinizer05since DSP afaik isn't really coupled nicely to audio stream17:34
kerioso it would still suck17:34
keriogot it17:34
keriohow about changing pulseaudio for dmix?17:34
dhbikerif you route music to alsa... it wouldnt take so much cpu17:34
keriodhbiker: indeed17:35
dhbikerbut then again...17:35
DocScrutinizer05the McBSP interface to AC34 codec is still under CPU domain aiui17:35
dhbikeryou cant have equalizer :P17:35
DocScrutinizer05and is seen from system as a ALSA audio card17:35
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DocScrutinizer05DSP probably can't directly talk to that ALSA card17:36
DocScrutinizer05but there *is* an EQ in AC3417:36
dhbikerits worth trying though17:36
DocScrutinizer05real dedicated audio dsp17:37
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keriohow does bluetooth audio work?17:37
dhbikern900 is like that beagleboard right ?17:37
keriois it still the CPU doing the work, or is there support in the bluetooth chip?17:37
dhbikerit uses the same chipset17:38
DocScrutinizer05PA using different ALSA card for BT17:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah but where is audio reencoded before being pushed through the bt radio?17:38
DocScrutinizer05the BT alsa card might as well be a generic PA plugin without any ALSa17:38
DocScrutinizer05(re-encoded) I guess bluez or PA does that17:39
kerioso it's still CPU D:17:39
keriopoor cpu17:39
kerioi really need to overclock it >:D17:39
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dhbikerif i overclock mine its unstable17:40
dhbikernot sure why17:40
keriodhbiker: you don't say? :o17:40
japhbecause you overclocked the cpu17:40
* kerio is sarcastic17:40
DocScrutinizer05because that's what OC does17:40
dhbikerDocScrutinizer05: not really :P17:40
keriodhbiker: not all CPUs are equal17:40
dhbikerthats true :P17:41
RiDi fried my N900 with OC17:41
keriodhbiker: some can stand a bit of overclocking, some can't17:41
dhbikerthat sucks :(17:41
RiDjoke :D17:41
DocScrutinizer05the upper limit for CPU freq isn't based on CPU failing to work correctly at higher freq17:41
japhI did this to my n900 today
japhworks great!17:41
kerioDocScrutinizer05: huh?17:41
DocScrutinizer05it's based on lifetime and wear done to CPU at certain freq17:41
RiDjaph what the hell is that?17:42
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dhbikerDocScrutinizer05: yeah i heard that somewhere17:42
keriohahahaha what the hell is that17:42
RiDjaph you jammed a radio freq?17:42
keriois that an antenna for the fmtx17:42
RiDlooks silly17:42
RiDhow far it goes?17:42
japhit's an actual antenna, from ericsson 86817:42
kerioon the headphone jack?17:42
RiDyour screen is full of sh** too17:43
keriowon't you get better transmission with a pair of headphones?17:43
dhbikerkerio: sometimes headphones suck17:45
keriodhbiker: but they're still longer17:45
keriomaybe a good audio cable?17:45
dhbikertrue xD17:45
RiDkerio you could figure out a way to use the FM transmitter with that antenna17:45
* kerio has no idea how stuff works17:46
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DocScrutinizer05AV connector is antenna for FMRX only17:46
DocScrutinizer05any improvements for FMTX are mere incidental17:47
kerioisn't fmtx the same as the bluetooth antenna?17:47
kerio(and *why*?)17:47
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: oh right, it's fmrx that wants me to turn on the bluetooth17:47
keriowhy, btw?17:47
DocScrutinizer05because it's same *chip*17:48
keriohow silly17:49
jacekowskiit's cheaper that way17:49
kerioyou wouldn't expect bluetooth to have anything to do with fm radio17:49
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DocScrutinizer05what's silly with intergration?17:49
DocScrutinizer05oh well...17:49
kerioapart from the fact that they both use radio waves17:49
DocScrutinizer05they both use audio PCM17:50
kerioanyway, does that mean that i can improve my bluetooth reception by plugging in something in the av connector?17:50
kerioDocScrutinizer05: oooh17:50
keriowell, so does the fmtx though17:51
DocScrutinizer05err wait17:51
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DocScrutinizer05now I'm confused which of RX/TX is implemented where17:52
kerioDocScrutinizer05: fmrx turns on bluetooth17:52
keriofmtx doesn't17:52
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keriohm, does this mean that i can't listen to the radio with my bluetooth headphones? :(17:56
kerioi never tried17:56
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kerioanyway, now that we got into this kind of discussion17:59
keriowhat's the "best" way of pushing fmtx's limits?17:59
DocScrutinizer05actually status of FMRX->BT is unclear18:00
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DocScrutinizer05(fmtx limits) there's an app for that. The dedicated FMTX chip has a register to set TX power18:02
keriofrequency range?18:02
kerioyes, you can use v4l2-ctl, but it's kinda annoying18:02
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DocScrutinizer05with iirc PR1.2 kernel, the kernel driver module somehow tried to lock that register down18:02
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keriowell, who the hell uses the stock kernel anyway?18:02
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RiDi use it now, since i'm going to send it to warranty lol18:03
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DocScrutinizer05there been packages like fmtxboost or the like18:03
DocScrutinizer05RiD: warranty?? are you mad?18:04
RiDwasn't fmtx set for full power (120 or so) on the newest kernel?18:04
DocScrutinizer05or do you want to get a N8 instead?18:04
RiDNokia portugal is greedy18:04
RiDthey will NOT want to give you a phone18:04
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keriosell N8, buy two used N90018:04
RiDDocScrutinizer and the issues aren't N900-specific. It's the right speaker and the earspeaker so18:05
RiDafaik they're used in many other Nokia phones18:05
DocScrutinizer05well, at least those are actually fixable18:05
keriohm, does fmradio-wide actually work?18:06
DocScrutinizer05I even got spare speakers here ;-D18:06
RiDyou blew a couple of them?18:06
DocScrutinizer05nah, just baught a few just in case18:06
RiDOh i see. Well, my warranty ends in august, somewhere between day 20 and 3018:06
DocScrutinizer05@ $1.80 or sth per speaker, I thought "oh why not"18:07
RiDand you bought 100 :D18:07
DocScrutinizer05just 418:07
RiDyou know, i hate to be in portugal sometimes. I once tried to buy a keyboard from amazon18:07
DocScrutinizer05and got one for free, probably fitting for the earpiece speaker18:07
RiDIt was perfect, good price and all.18:08
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RiDWhen i set it to ship to portugal.18:08
RiD"Sorry, this item is not available for the shipping address you set"18:08
RiDYet spain gets it. :(18:08
dhbikerguy on warranty said that i get N9 instead of N818:08
RiDhow is the n9 price currently? It was 600~700 here18:09
RiDthat's enough for a couple n900s18:09
dhbiker400 euros here18:09
RiDoh, 549,90€ here18:10
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RiDif they gave me a n9 and i could sell it for 500€, it would be a full refund + extra18:10
RiDsorry, i'm not german. what gebraucht means?18:11
DocScrutinizer05yesterday they had one new for 277EUR18:11
qwazix_900kerio: bit late, but you can get rid of nokia hands by just deleting the avi18:11
RiDwait, danish*18:11
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix_900: obviously18:11
DocScrutinizer05but that's a rather nasty way18:11
DocScrutinizer05it's like "you can switch off the light by shooting the light bulb"18:12
RiDlol, an operator on my country had a n900 for sell at 682€18:12
RiDthat was 3 months ago18:12
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RiDnow they sell an used unit for 359€. They're crazy18:13
dhbikerway too pricy18:13
RiDif i bought my N900 a week before18:13
RiDi would have saved 100€18:13
dhbikeri gave 150 euros for mine :))18:13
RiDit was for sell at 350€ or so.18:13
dhbikerstill in warranty till september 2013 :P18:13
RiDwoah that's kind of a new n90018:13
DocScrutinizer05"new" ones should be no more than 280EUR, used ones no more than 15018:14
RiD"new" as in refurbished japanese units18:14
qwazix_900DocScrutinizer: yeah, but it's tested and doesn't cause other problems. I would be afraid uninstalling the package18:14
DocScrutinizer05as in exposed units unused but without original package18:14
RiDanyways, i guess it's time to go and send my sweetie to hell18:15
RiDshould i stay with the cover and the little pen?18:15
RiDand battery18:15
qwazix_900RiD: they're going to reflash it and do nothing more18:15
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RiDqwazix lol. i reflashed it yesterday18:15
dhbikeryou can do this by yourself too18:16
qwazix_900I sent it for bupbat and I just got a full reflash18:16
RiDToo much personal information to give away to them18:16
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qwazix_900bupbat still broken18:16
DocScrutinizer05qwazix_900: they won't fix bupbat18:16
infobothmm... bupbat is, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months18:16
RiDwhat is that18:16
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RiDlooks like a small bios battery18:17
qwazix_900why didn't they tell me from the beginning then? morons...18:17
DocScrutinizer05it is18:17
RiDoh , lol18:17
dhbikerit has a bios battery o.O ?18:17
DocScrutinizer05it *should* allow swapping main bat without losing date/time18:17
qwazix_900yep, that's the one that breaks and the N900 stops remembering time after battery switch18:18
RiD*should*, because it isn't working for me18:18
RiDfor the last year lol18:18
dhbikermine works :P18:18
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DocScrutinizer05bupbat defect on 95% devices older 12 months18:18
qwazix_900mine came already dead18:18
RiDnot that i care18:18
DocScrutinizer05(on a sidenote now *all* n900 are older 12 months)18:18
keriowhat are other/50 and other/75?18:18
RiDso hold on, qwazix_900 you sent your n900 just for that?18:19
DocScrutinizer05kerio: ???18:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: fmtx-faker modes18:19
qwazix_900when you leave your phone batteryless, bupbat probably discharges below the 5% security point and refuses to charge18:19
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DocScrutinizer05no such point18:20
DocScrutinizer05the friggin coins just leak after 12 months18:20
qwazix_900I bought a PR1.0 (or 1.1) N900 during 2011 so it was already dead18:20
DocScrutinizer05some earlier18:21
RiDmeh it's just time and date18:21
RiDsure it's annoying for those who constantly swap batteries18:21
qwazix_900RiD: I do a lot of battery-swapping and I hate having to set the dtime/date every day18:21
DocScrutinizer05qwazix_900: so fix it yourself18:21
RiDqwazix_900 you should connect your n900 to a nuclear plant18:21
qwazix_900will do18:21
DocScrutinizer05an arbitrary goldcap will do18:21
RiDalways carry a bit of uranium on it18:21
dhbikerhow long does your n900 hold on  original battery ?18:21
qwazix_900barely a day18:22
SpeedEvilOriginal batteries are gettinbg close to uselessness now.18:22
SpeedEvilReplace them.18:22
dhbikermine holds max 2 days18:22
SpeedEvilUnless you happen to have kept it in the freezer at 40% charge since new18:22
DocScrutinizer05my original batteries are still wuite ok'ish18:22
qwazix_900I've changed up to 3 bl5j's during a 7 hour trip18:22
DocScrutinizer05and on WLAN without GSM/SIM it holds like 5 days18:22
RiDmine lost about 10~20% of it's durabilty.18:23
SpeedEvilWell - close to uselessness = under half uptime, and wierd effects at times.18:23
dhbikeri have it set up on 2G18:23
DocScrutinizer05RiD: soundsa about right18:23
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RiDwell, there are many batteries out there better than the nokia stock ones anyways. and cheaper18:23
SpeedEvilFor example, if you play a movie with half battery life left, it shuts off after 10 min18:23
RiDSpeedEvil uranium will fix that issue18:23
RiDand give you cancer18:24
RiDand your body battery will stop working 3 months later18:24
dhbikergood to know18:24
DocScrutinizer05pah, I'm carrying atomic waste with me all day since > 1 year now18:24
DocScrutinizer05always a nice glow in the dark18:25
dhbikerDocScrutinizer05: like what ?18:25
RiDDocScrutinizer05 i know that feeling. it's harder to sleep18:25
RiDi sleep with the help of my n900 charging pattern light18:25
RiDmy doctor recommended it18:25
dhbikerhuh ?18:26
keriojacekowski: ever thought of releasing your patch to fmtxd in a package?18:27
DocScrutinizer05I'd hope it's already in powerkernel?18:27
kerioDocScrutinizer05: huh?18:27
kerioit's a modified /usr/sbin/fmtxd18:27
DocScrutinizer05err, fmtxd is not exactly kernel domain, yeah18:27
jacekowskikerio: nah18:29
keriojacekowski: do you also use fmtx-faker?18:29
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jacekowskikerio: packages are not supposed to modify system files18:30
DocScrutinizer05RiD: dhbiker:
kerioso does the UI actually reflect your changes? or do you have to use v4l2-ctl to change frequencies?18:30
jacekowskiit does18:30
jacekowskiui pulls frequency range from fmtxd18:31
qwazix_900kerio: fmtx-faker is AFAIK only for greek N900's where the fmtx came disabled18:31
jacekowskiqwazix_900: and asian18:31
qwazix_900fortunately me 2nd one is UK for some reason18:31
qwazix_900jacekowski: oh, didn't know18:31
qwazix_900the other one (exhibition unit) they had there had the fmtx disabled18:32
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qwazix_900who knows18:32
RiDDocScrutinizer05 won't breaking those things be dangerous, as you could inhale the glowing gas?18:32
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dhbikerRiD: yeah it's dangerous18:33
RiDnice, i want to eat some18:33
RiDglowing dumps18:33
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jacekowskino it's not18:34
jacekowskiRiD: that gas is not glowing18:34
jacekowskithere is a phosphorous layer that is glowing18:35
dhbikeroh... then its not what i think it is18:35
RiDwell, i could use that thing to have a 10-year glowing tron suit18:35
jacekowskiand that's just bit of tritium with half life of 12 years18:35
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keriojacekowski: modified fmtxd++18:35
kerioand, by extension, jacekowski++18:35
RiDbetter than carrying a fat ass lithion battery on the suit18:35
RiDthat only lasts 12 minutes18:35
RiD"The suits worn by the actors proved to be problematic on set. Every single one of them was fitted with a small lithium battery that powered the circuitry for the embedded light strips, but each battery only lasted 12 minutes. "18:37
RiDand "The wardrobe budget for this film was $13 million. One custom suit alone for the racers cost $60,000. "18:38
qwazix_900imagine how many bl5j's you could buy with that kind of money18:39
dhbikerone BL5J costs 10 euro here18:40
dhbikerso a buttload of them18:40
RiDit costs 40€here !!18:42
qwazix_900you could put 100 on each suit for less than a 60th of that suit's price18:42
RiDqwazix_900 but they're made of leather or so.18:42
RiDthe suit i mean, not the batteries lol18:42
qwazix_900I bet they'd last more than 12 minutes18:42
dhbiker40 € ? wow thats expensive18:42
RiDwelcome to Portugal18:42
qwazix_900RiD: human leather?18:42
RiDRiD yes18:43
qwazix_900that explains it18:43
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dhbikerwhat ? the price ?18:43
RiD"<RiD> RiD yes" *fail*18:44
qwazix_900yeah, how many humans you have to traffick to make one suit...18:44
RiDi have to go18:44
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dhbikerlol good quit message18:44
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keriojacekowski: well, if fmtx is open source you can just make a package that conflicts with the builtin one and installs your modified fmtxd19:59
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: will purge meta-pr aiui, which in turn basically uninstalls 95% of maemo ;-P20:06
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you suck at apt20:06
keriounless it depends on exact versions of exact packages20:06
DocScrutinizer05you bet I do ;-D20:06
kerioin which case they suck at apt20:06
jacekowskikerio: it's not open source20:07
DocScrutinizer05you bet they do as well XP20:07
kerioeven then, i'm not sure how Provides: works for packages that depend on exact versions20:07
keriojacekowski: so, the hypothetical redistribution of a modified version...20:07
jacekowskikerio: illegal20:07
jacekowskiit's illegal as it is20:07
keriooh golly gee, let's hope nobody does that20:07
jacekowskibut well, nobody sent mae c&d yet20:07
jacekowskitalking about c&d's20:08
jacekowskii got one myself20:08
jacekowskiif somebody remember the red bend case20:08
jacekowskiwhen nokia got c&d letter some time ago20:08
jacekowskiand courgette20:08
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jacekowskired bend vs google20:09
jacekowskinokia and other places got C&D's20:09
DocScrutinizer05prolly missed that20:09
jacekowskiafter nokia got C&D they deleted chrome from repository20:09
DocScrutinizer05red bend patented chrome?20:09
DocScrutinizer05the name?20:09
jacekowskiupdates mechanism chrome uses20:10
jacekowskithey've sent me C&D in january20:10
jacekowskiwhich i've ignored20:10
DocScrutinizer05to c and d what exactly?20:10
jacekowskistop distributing it20:10
jacekowskiquoting american patent numbers20:11
kerioisn't chromium open source? :O20:11
jacekowskiit is20:11
keriothen what the fuck do they want20:11
DocScrutinizer05open source helps exactly nuttin against patents and (C)20:11
jacekowskiit can still be patented20:11
DocScrutinizer05prior art would, maybe20:11
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keriooh, it wasn't a c&d from google20:11
kerionvm, i can't read20:12
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DocScrutinizer05I'm yet to see Nokia sending anybody a c&d regarding Nokia blobs20:13
jacekowskiwell nobody sent me anything about fmtxd20:13
jacekowskiand besides, those service manuals are confidential20:13
DocScrutinizer05after all they did just as much as they needed to not *receive* a c&d themselves20:14
jacekowskiyet nobody even tried to remove links from wiki20:14
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer05: they did get c&d20:14
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, for chrome20:14
DocScrutinizer05not for distributing stuff like BME, or dialer, or whatever else they got from 2nd source20:15
jacekowskithey probably have licence for that20:15
DocScrutinizer05not sure about that20:15
DocScrutinizer05anyway the IMEI query is a joke20:15
DocScrutinizer05not meant to stop any proliferation of the binaries20:16
DocScrutinizer05just meant to establish a legal status20:16
kerioIMEI query?20:16
keriooh, i see20:16
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DocScrutinizer05and I never heard of Nokia ever sending a c&d to anybody about semi-public re-distribution of their blobs20:17
DocScrutinizer05shipping stuff via extras though might be just a bit over the top20:19
DocScrutinizer05or not20:19
keriohuh, i didn't know we had a nitdroid-installer20:22
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DocScrutinizer05nitdroid-installer aka "nuke your maemo the silly way"20:31
DocScrutinizer05in my book nitdroid is at least as greedy about posessing whole device and not tolerating any other OS besides itself, as is windows20:32
DocScrutinizer05well, ok, nitdroid allows multiboot, but we all know multiboot is EVIL20:33
DocScrutinizer05and will nuke maemo if you ever dare to un-install it20:33
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keriois nitdroid faster than maemo?20:40
DocScrutinizer05sure! segfaults twice as fast20:42
DocScrutinizer05faster on what? on compiling it?20:43
DocScrutinizer05on booting the system? to sth without dialer/phone?20:43
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keriooh, "something"20:45
keriodoesn't the phone part work?20:46
DocScrutinizer05I never touched that nitdroid stuff20:47
dhbikerwhy would you run android on N900 ?20:47
DocScrutinizer05if I want android I get me a Samsung20:47
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keriodhbiker: idk, maybe it works better as a phone platform20:48
dhbikernot really20:48
dhbikerhad android phone before n90020:48
DocScrutinizer05more recent hw, cheaper, and my company built the modemchip most probably20:48
dhbikerseems like some1 did it before20:49
DocScrutinizer05kerio: android working better as a phone than maemo - on a maemo NIT? c'mon stopp kidding yourself20:49
dhbiker10 bands20:49
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dhbikernot sure if it works20:49
kerioDocScrutinizer05: dude, maemo on a maemo NIT sucks balls at being a phone20:49
jacekowskinitdroid can't do phone anything on n90020:50
jacekowskias far as i know20:50
* DocScrutinizer05 doesn't have any major complaints about N900 as a phone20:50
* dhbiker agrees with DocScrutinizer05 20:50
DocScrutinizer05on maemo520:50
dhbikerDocScrutinizer05: maybe we're too old school :P20:51
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DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: that's what I seem to recall as well20:52
DocScrutinizer05hell, if anybody managed to write a decent dialer and phone-audio-daemon on nitdroid, I bet it would've get ported to maemo5 in really zero time20:53
RaimuI have no problems with n900 as a phone either.20:54
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DocScrutinizer05I however know the trouble we've seen with similar plans on SHR-N90020:54
RiDafter all i was wrong about my warranty... it ended up last month, day 26.20:54
keriogaaah fucking fmradio-wide20:55
kerioi bet it's the same issue cleven and cssufeatures have20:55
RiDit's around 25€ to repair it in nokia care. i guesss i will try to repair it on my own20:55
Raimukerio: What's "the cleven issue" ?20:55
keriogoddammit, do i really have to remove the password request for sudo?20:55
keriooh no, it's not that20:56
DocScrutinizer05RiD: happy you, so you don't have to swap it for a N9 just to hop the hoops to sell that N9 on fleaBay to find a new N90020:56
kerioRaimu: it expects "sudo $foo" to work, without ever specifying the $foo it's going to use in a file in /etc/sudoers.d/20:56
kerioso if your sudo asks for a password, in general, it doesn't work20:56
RiDDocScrutinizer05 lol. I guess it's around 5€ for a speaker and the earphone speaker20:57
keriofix: put the commands it's going to use in /etc/sudoers.d/cleven or something20:57
RiDIF the earphone speaker is damaged. it might be some magnetic dust20:57
Raimukerio, ah, figures.20:57
DocScrutinizer05RiD: eeeeek, nasty20:57
RiDDocScrutinizer05 what's so nasty20:57
DocScrutinizer05magnetic dust in speakers IS nasty20:58
RiDthe sound gets terrible :(20:58
keriohuh... fmradio-wide started without turning on the bluetooth20:58
RiDit's like trying to understand a chinese talking portuguese20:58
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keriooh no, nvm20:58
RiDDocScrutinizer05 you disassembled it so, how easy it is to change the speaker?20:59
RiDor should i say how hard?20:59
DocScrutinizer05changing spreakers is very "easy". Changing earpiece a bit more involved20:59
RiDOk. But overall, it's not the end of the world, is it?21:00
keriooh man, fmradio-wide is horrible21:00
DocScrutinizer05easy as in "will usually get processes in shop, not at Nokia service center"21:00
RiDprocessed you mean?21:01
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure about earpiece21:01
DocScrutinizer05yep, processed21:01
keriohow do i update the icons in hildon-desktop?21:01
DocScrutinizer05earpiece *might* be soldered to FPC21:02
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DocScrutinizer05though I seem to recall it's not21:02
RiDi don't like anythign that involves soldering21:03
DocScrutinizer05I never disassembled the screen half of N90021:03
kerio...and qradio asks to install rootsh21:03
kerioi don't fucking even21:03
kerioYOU DUMB FUCK21:04
kerioAND YOU'RE A RADIO21:04
DocScrutinizer05but given the very common nature of earpiece breaking I'd expect Nokia hasn't soldered that part - would be a rather insane design21:04
Raimukerio: So... you're screaming at radio, bro. Chill.21:04
kerioRaimu: i mad D:21:04
qwazix_kerio, try cradio21:05
qwazix_I like it better21:05
kerioqwazix_: that's what i'm installing :)21:05
RiDDocScrutinizer05 maybe it's an adhesive21:05
DocScrutinizer05kerio: though I sympathise with your reasoning, i'd like to ask you to stop shouting21:05
qwazix_It doesn't force you to have earphones plugged in21:05
DocScrutinizer05RiD: yep, I think so21:05
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qwazix_Signal is really bad without them, but not so bad to require a complete cutoff21:06
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: but people are wrong! :(21:06
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DocScrutinizer05CAPITALS won't change that21:06
qwazix_I can listen to 3-4 stations here fine without it21:06
kerioDocScrutinizer05: but they make me feel better :)21:07
RiDthis is scary21:07
kerioqwazix_: c fm radio doesn't have rds support :(21:07
keriooh no it does21:08
DocScrutinizer05kerio: then damn *fix* the qradio rootsh issue!21:08
RiDi'm starting to think that wasting 20€ might be a good idea o_o21:08
kerioqwazix_: an actual complaint: there's no way to output the audio to the speakers21:09
DocScrutinizer05RiD: well, that's it. And no, that's not exactly scary21:10
DocScrutinizer05RiD: which 20EUR btw?21:10
RiDDocScrutinizer05 the guy said the repair would be around 20€21:11
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DocScrutinizer05RiD: THIS is scrary21:13
RiDoh so nice . I will have to do that i guess21:14
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NavenPLhello, i got nokia n90021:15
NavenPLand i just broken my micro usb input21:15
NavenPLhow can i charge battery21:15
NavenPLdirectly from wires of charger?21:15
kerioNavenPL: you're screwed21:15
RiDyou can fix it21:16
RiD... if you didn't f_ck it hard21:16
kerioNavenPL: external battery charger, or fix your n90021:16
kerioor use another phone that uses BL-5Js21:16
kerioand it's a known problem, so it's not your fault21:16
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DocScrutinizer05RiD: here you see one of the speakers:
NavenPLbut cant i charge battery directly from wires?21:17
NavenPLwhere are + and - pin21:17
DocScrutinizer05no, you shouldn't21:17
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NavenPLbut can i?21:17
RiDDocScrutinizer05 it's that square bright thing on the right?21:17
DocScrutinizer05unless you want a fireworks at your hands21:17
NavenPLin old nokias this method worked21:17
keriolithium batteries are not to be fucked with21:17
DocScrutinizer05RiD: right21:17
DocScrutinizer05NavenPL: old nokias used old walwart PSU21:18
DocScrutinizer05and those had a proper characteristics to charge battery directly, with less control than is needed when using a USB PSU to try and charge a LiIon21:19
DocScrutinizer05even then this method is a terrible nasty botch you might do ince when in a pinch21:20
DocScrutinizer05and only if you KNOW what you're doing21:20
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RiDtyping on your n900? :)21:21
DocScrutinizer05NavenPL: bottom line: NO you MUST NOT charge LiIon from any improvised contraption21:21
DocScrutinizer05NavenPL: see21:22
infoboti heard usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)21:22
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kerioqwazix_: i'm not so sure that screwing around with alsamixer is a good idea, considering how stupidly fragile the n900 speakers are21:22
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qwazix_kerio, Yep, it's easy to fry them if you boost volume >=88 which is the default value, like someone did in that thread. But just turning them on shouldn't be a problem21:26
kerioanyway, i just decided that i don't need fmrx :)21:27
RiDqwazix_ don't blow a speaker like me21:27
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kerioqwazix_: the thing is, you force a change in the output device but the UI isn't aware of it21:29
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qwazix_RiD, not planning to... but have been using those scripts successfully watching movies with the pico projector. Now I've many months to do that.21:29
keriothat's kinda lame21:29
qwazix_It isn't but the max value is still 88. In fact if you turn the sound on to full without the script the sound from the loudspeaker is significantly louder than with the script. That 88 value is probably only for earphones (to protect your eardrums)21:31
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: hmm, nice finding about MAFW-Equalizer21:31
DocScrutinizer05wasn't aware of that21:31
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DocScrutinizer05seems on that page there are version conflicts mentioned in PR1.321:31
RiDpico projector?21:32
qwazix_RiD, what about it?21:33
RiDwhat is that? :o21:33
RiD lol this?21:33
qwazix_that's the one I have21:34
RiDnow i am interested on those things , damn it21:34
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qwazix_RiD, battery operated :)21:35
DocScrutinizer05qwazix_: there's a problem with speakers in N900, that's why Nokia fixed MAFW last minute to include XPROT21:36
RiD370€, no thanks21:36
RiDI wonder if some different speakers would work on it21:36
qwazix_RiD, no, I got it for less than 150eur, and now you can find even cheaper ones21:36
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qwazix_DocScrutinizer05, XPROT?21:37
DocScrutinizer05qwazix_: XPROT should probably filter out VLF (<50Hz, and DC) and do some limiting on max volume21:37
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DocScrutinizer05it's part of the gst-pipe MAFW sets up21:38
RiDnitdroid doesn't do that so well, thats how my speaker blew21:38
qwazix_aha, and when does that kick in? only when loudspeakers are on?21:38
DocScrutinizer05RiD: yep21:38
DocScrutinizer05qwazix_: should21:38
qwazix_yeah but on what level (mediaplayer, codec, pulseaudio or alsamixer)?21:39
qwazix_btw somebody crammed 5800 speakers in N900 over @tmo21:39
DocScrutinizer05o-tone Nokia shop when I asked when T F they gonny send my N900 (well anybody's N900): "you wouldn't want to find your N900 breaking during first 2 weeks, no? So give us some time to fix a probelm with audio we found"21:40
kylanpaj_5800 speakers are pretty good for a phone21:40
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RiDqwazix_ how hard was it to do that :O21:41
DocScrutinizer05errr WUT?21:41
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DocScrutinizer05isn't that just a fake? I ordered my N900 speakers at a shop where they were actually advertised as 5800 compatible21:42
DocScrutinizer05as they messed up some photos21:42
dhbikerDocScrutinizer05: i will look into sourcecode ... maybe i can polish mine with help of it21:42
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DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: nice idea21:43
qwazix_5800 speakers are so much better than the N900 ones. No way they are the same.21:43
qwazix_I had a 5800 before the N900. I put the same song on both, 5800 was twice as loud, and at mid-volume, twice as good21:43
qwazix_both tincans ofc @full volume21:44
DocScrutinizer05I'd also appreciate very much an automatic selection of "preset" depending on what's active right now - e.g. I don't want same EQ settings for headphones, music playback via speakers, ringtone playback21:44
DocScrutinizer05qwazix_: you're aware that speaker != "box"21:44
dhbikerDocScrutinizer05: that's not a problem21:45
DocScrutinizer05qwazix_: a speaker sounding brilliant in one box can sound like a tin can in another box/compartment21:46
dhbikerDocScrutinizer05: control panel would be nice ? or not ?21:46
DocScrutinizer05it's not just the transducer to determine the sound quality21:46
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: sure a control pannel would be nice21:47
dhbikerok ...21:47
DocScrutinizer05but I'd hope ringtone would use ringtone preset, and mp3player would use music-preset21:47
* dhbiker is off... checking the code 21:47
qwazix_DocScrutinizer05, true but this photo doesn't look like a fake and why would somebody fake it
DocScrutinizer05yep, this is a different transducer21:48
kerio"why would someone fake" - cuz they're dickheads21:48
DocScrutinizer05but that doesn't mean it sounds in N900 like it does in 580021:48
DocScrutinizer05au contraire it might sound like shite when you mess with that black plastic thingie too much21:49
qwazix_kerio, I understand somebody to go and fake running crysis on iphone for YT views, but photoshopping the 5800 speaker to make it look bigger is lamer than lame21:49
qwazix_DocScrutinizer05, it doesn't. But it's still a bit better according to the modder21:50
kerioare the openpandora speakers any good?21:50
DocScrutinizer05just a bigger transducer means nothing if it isn't matching the compartment21:50
zeqfreemangordon: sorry about leaving a couple of patches out earlier, I was in a hurry to get out.  It's my grandmothers 90th today, I was up against the clock.21:51
qwazix_DocScrutinizer05, sry, actually he said louder, not better21:51
DocScrutinizer05I will easily admit it might be louder on treble21:51
RiDuh oh, wrong channel again21:52
DocScrutinizer05while not exactly fitting into the compartment will short front and back of membrane and cause lots *less* of bass21:52
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qwazix_RiD, NFSU?21:53
RiDundercover? not even close o_o21:53
qwazix_Porshe Unleashed21:53
RiDlol. Porsche Unleashed? that's from 2000 :O21:53
qwazix_Porsche Unleashed21:53
qwazix_yep, best NFS ever21:54
RiDthe image certainly doesn't look like NFSPU21:54
RiD Grand Theft Auto IV21:55
qwazix_except the crappy detail of the car21:56
RiDlol, the graphics aren't even close. Sure, the environment is similar21:57
qwazix_it's not, that it shows their 10 year difference, I'd say 2-3 years tops, or even the same game with all settings on/off21:59
qwazix_(ofc excluding the model of the car)21:59
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zeqfreemangordon: huh? what happened with the merge?
zeq370 changed files with 7,131 additions and 5,310 deletions.22:00
zeqall the old commits got re-introduced!22:01
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zeqfreemangordon: I've locally restored the missing commits in a clean tree.  Where you merged and pushed all the old commits got inserted back into the history.  I'll re-push a clean master with all the commits this time, if you could then rebase on that, it should give us both a clean base with any pushed changes you might have.22:15
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DocScrutinizer05btw just in case anybody recalls the 40s-delay issue we discussed lately: it's gone on my laptop since I changed to a x64 system. Seems the 32bit OS has real trouble with my 8GB RAM22:24
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dhbikerDocScrutinizer05: why the hell do you have 32bit OS on 8 gigs of ram ?22:30
DocScrutinizer05because I'm a moron22:30
DocScrutinizer05in the old days 64bit was MEH, because of instabilities with drivers and whatnot22:31
dhbikernot anymore22:31
zeqDocScrutinizer05: that's not really surprising!22:31
DocScrutinizer05I crossed the 3GB barrier without taking notice22:31
zeq8G is a lot for 32bit22:31
dhbikerit can use 3.5 gigs or something like that22:32
DocScrutinizer05so let's just say "you WANT to use x64 if you got more than 3GB of RAM"22:32
dhbiker4 gigs works normally22:33
DocScrutinizer05yeah, but one of those gets lost for mapping22:33
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dhbikerfor the beginning i can fix that plugin to work on PR1.322:34
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DocScrutinizer05funny enough *nothing* complained on that 32bit-linux22:34
dhbikerand then upgrades22:34
DocScrutinizer05it even reported 8GB RAM just fine22:34
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: yeah, please do!22:34
qwazix_anybody knows how can I force hildon-desktop to build with gles and not vanilla opengl? tried --with-flavour and --with-gles but configure doesn't recognise those flags22:35
DocScrutinizer05also seems those nasty artifacts in X/plasma are gone22:35
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ShadowJKiirc a tone point the threshold was at 2G22:37
ShadowJKat one*22:37
ShadowJKBecause of the way memory is split between kernel and userspace22:38
DocScrutinizer05anyway now that T500 is really awesome22:41
DocScrutinizer05esp since some nice guy in here pointed me at that bios hack to swap that silly Fn|Ctrl keybd layout22:42
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