IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-07-05

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kerio	...i just did a pstree	00:01
kerio	what the FUCK	00:01
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ShadowJK	vi__, I haven't investigated what it does on N8x0	00:05
DocScrutinizer	kwtm: you can install orientation-lock on CSSU-S	00:06
DocScrutinizer	ooh, missed Sicelo telling that	00:06
zeq	freemangordon: ok	00:06
zeq	freemangordon: need to merge	00:08
zeq	be a few minutes	00:08
freemangordon	ok	00:08
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zeq	freemangordon: something weird happening with the merge... I'll get it fixed	00:19
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freemangordon	ok	00:22
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zeq	the last rebase didn't go cleanly did it? you fixed it up.	00:23
zeq	I obviously pushed without noticing	00:24
freemangordon	hmm, it went ok	00:24
freemangordon	zeq: check your branch	00:24
freemangordon	zeq: i did some pushes, it could be that, i.e. .patch I sent you is merged. but there should be no problem aiui	00:25
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zeq	with the rebase some patches are "empty" with their changes already applied.... I don't know, it's weird as I said.	00:26
freemangordon	ok	00:26
freemangordon	you can try to reset to HEAD and pull after that. but I am not exactly git guru, so might be talking nonsense	00:27
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zeq	hang on, trouble with the washing machine :S	00:30
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freemangordon	:)	00:32
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kerio	do you guys use something to watch youtube videos?	00:34
zeq	fuse	00:34
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freemangordon	kerio: yep, microb, qmltube	00:34
kerio	freemangordon: i meant apart from microb ¬.¬	00:34
freemangordon	qmltube	00:35
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zeq	actually I've been meaning to mention this, but a CSSU update some time back broke the built-in qmltube-widget player	00:35
freemangordon	zeq: automatic fuse?	00:35
zeq	in the plug, 13A!	00:36
zeq	a little worrying	00:36
freemangordon	yeah :(	00:36
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zeq	seems to be working	00:36
zeq	washing machine, that is :P	00:37
freemangordon	zeq: well, it has something to do with the fact marxian was trying to do it compatible for bot At 4.7.0 (stock) and 4.7.4(cssu)	00:37
freemangordon	zeq: if it is working, don't touch it, you know :P	00:37
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MrPingu	Hi, (thought it would be time to pop up here again)	00:45
GhostRiderV2	helo desu	00:46
GhostRiderV2	wai wha	00:47
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zeq	freemangordon: pushing it now, can you check it carefully when you pull please	00:52
zeq	I think it was your prepare for upstream patches conflicting	00:53
freemangordon	ok	00:54
zeq	not sure how that happened	00:54
zeq	I think I took the right versions of the code, but please do check.	00:54
freemangordon	ok	00:55
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freemangordon	CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in widget/qt/nsWindow.cpp ;). going to check it	00:56
zeq	ok :)	00:56
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zeq	just push whatever needs merging and I'll pull straight away so we're in sync	00:58
freemangordon	zeq: pushed	01:00
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freemangordon	zeq: why do you think orientationChanged is defined only when QTM is defined?	01:02
freemangordon	zeq: it seems your commits removed mine :(	01:03
freemangordon	I'll recheck the whole code	01:05
zeq	freemangordon: somehow git confused them and tried to apply them at the same time?!?	01:08
freemangordon	yeah, furtunately it is not a big change	01:08
zeq	anyway, as for your question, it was because of the orientation API usage from libqtm. For us there's no good reason actually.	01:09
zeq	we should move our rotation code outside QTMOBILITY and just protect it with MAEMO==5	01:10
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zeq	we don't use any QTMOBILITY for rotation support	01:10
zeq	but it needs to be in every file, otherwise there's build breakage if it's undefined, which is what my commit fixed.	01:11
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zeq	the header declaration wasn't applied because QTMOBILTY wasn't set, while it was used in the cpp files	01:12
zeq	of course QTMOBILITY should have been set, but that was because I'd lost my PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable	01:13
zeq	makes sense?	01:13
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zeq	decaration should be QTMOBILITY \|\| MAEMO==5	01:16
zeq	that's what I should have done :)	01:16
zeq	freemangordon: ^	01:17
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freemangordon	zeq: yeah	01:34
freemangordon	ok, going to check what's happened with the code	01:34
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freemangordon	zeq: it seems I should reapply some changes	01:38
zeq	freemangordon: go ahead	01:44
freemangordon	i'm going :)	01:44
freemangordon	zeq: I still fails to see what is the reason for #if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) && defined(MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY)	01:51
freemangordon	QObject::connect(QApplication::desktop(), SIGNAL(resized(int)), widget, SLOT(orientationChanged()));	01:51
freemangordon	#if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) should be enough	01:51
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freemangordon	zeq: pushed (without && defined(MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY) :) )	01:55
zeq	Is that what I put i there?	01:55
freemangordon	yep	01:55
zeq	It should be \|\|	01:55
freemangordon	but why? we don't want this for maemo6	01:55
zeq	sorry, wrong file	01:55
zeq	:S	01:55
freemangordon	that is in nsWindow	01:56
zeq	yes that should just be MAEMO5	01:56
freemangordon	well, you may want to pull, so we have the same code	01:56
zeq	and where the slot is defined should be \|\|	01:56
zeq	pulling now	01:56
freemangordon	in mozqwidget.h?	01:56
freemangordon	lemme check	01:57
zeq	yes	01:57
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freemangordon	aah, i see, now it is #ifdef MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY only. But dows it make sense to build for maemo5 without QTM?	01:58
freemangordon	*does	01:58
freemangordon	zeq: ^^^	01:58
zeq	it breaks the build if QTMOBILITY isn't enabled	01:58
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zeq	logically it should be \|\| even if it doesn't really make sense to build for Maemo5 without mobility	01:59
freemangordon	agree, will change and push it	01:59
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zeq	there wasn't too much broken :)	02:02
freemangordon	yep	02:02
zeq	there certainly are frequent updates to m-c	02:03
zeq	constant flux	02:03
DocScrutinizer	higgs	02:03
freemangordon	yeah, lots of work is going on	02:03
* DocScrutinizer higgs		02:03
zeq	DocScrutinizer: surprising news	02:03
freemangordon	bozon?	02:04
DocScrutinizer	booz on	02:04
freemangordon	did they find it?	02:04
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zeq	freemangordon: they believe so	02:04
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zeq	or certainly a particle with the expected properties	02:04
freemangordon	aah, i missed that	02:04
zeq	they don't yet don't if it's the only one...	02:04
zeq	such is particle physics	02:05
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freemangordon	zeq: pushed	02:11
zeq	pulled	02:12
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freemangordon	BTW Exec=LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/fennec-16.0a1:/opt/qtm12/lib /opt/fennec-16.0a1/fennec in .desktop file does not work :(	02:12
freemangordon	the same works from shell	02:13
zeq	ok, so we'll need to decide whether to:	02:13
zeq	1) use a script launcher	02:13
zeq	2) link with rpath	02:13
freemangordon	rpath is better I think	02:13
zeq	3) put /opt/qtm12/lib into ld.so.conf	02:14
freemangordon	1 or 2, but 2 seems better	02:14
freemangordon	if you know how to do it :)	02:14
zeq	I can look it up, can't remember off-hand :)	02:14
freemangordon	cflags in debian/rules?	02:14
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freemangordon	or ldflags	02:15
zeq	ldflags probably	02:15
zeq	almost certainly infact	02:15
freemangordon	hmm, jscript is faster than before, mmedia still broken, lets check flas	02:15
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freemangordon	*flash	02:16
zeq	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rpath	02:16
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zeq	we just need to put -Wl,-rpath=/opt/libqtm12/lib into LDFLAGS I think	02:18
zeq	s/libqtm/qtm/	02:19
infobot	zeq meant: we just need to put -Wl,-rpath=/opt/qtm12/lib into LDFLAGS I think	02:19
zeq	best get it right! :P	02:19
freemangordon	dammit man, that is faster than microb :)	02:19
zeq	hw accel?	02:19
freemangordon	no	02:20
freemangordon	lemme try it	02:20
zeq	it's going to be crazy quick	02:20
zeq	when it's all working	02:20
freemangordon	yep	02:20
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zeq	actually we already have an roath-link in mozconfig	02:21
zeq	s/roath/rpath/	02:21
infobot	zeq meant: actually we already have an rpath-link in mozconfig	02:21
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zeq	freemangordon: should be able to just add qtm to the rpath-link in mozconfig	02:23
freemangordon	will you do that?	02:23
zeq	yes, and I'll test it first	02:23
freemangordon	ok	02:23
freemangordon	still faster without egl	02:24
zeq	building now	02:24
zeq	egl still broken then	02:24
zeq	probably falling back to sw	02:25
freemangordon	we need romaxa to fix it	02:25
zeq	yup	02:25
freemangordon	flash still broken	02:25
freemangordon	:(	02:25
zeq	shame :(	02:25
freemangordon	yeah	02:26
zeq	freemangordon: do we need the fennec dir in rpath too?	02:27
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freemangordon	yes	02:27
zeq	I've been adding it to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH, not tried without it	02:27
zeq	ok	02:27
zeq	better stop the build and figure that out	02:28
freemangordon	needs libxul.so	02:28
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zeq	freemangordon: does https work for you	02:33
zeq	?	02:34
freemangordon	i think so, but not sure, lemme check	02:34
zeq	I think it might be linking to some of the microb libs	02:35
zeq	check ldd /opt/fennec*/libxul.so	02:35
freemangordon	what?	02:36
zeq	let me check with LD_LIBRARY_PATH	02:36
freemangordon	yes, that is what you need	02:36
freemangordon	;)	02:36
zeq	https works though?	02:37
zeq	for me just typing something into the url bar then selecting google search fails when it tries to use https://www.google.com	02:37
freemangordon	yeah, seems https is broken	02:39
zeq	I've been just building with make -f client.mk && make deb. That seems to work fine, but since it automatically sets the version I can't use it with rpath since I won't know the install path in advance...	02:40
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freemangordon	@installdir@ ?	02:41
freemangordon	or something like that	02:41
freemangordon	that is what .desktop.in uses	02:41
zeq	maybe... I'l try it	02:41
freemangordon	have in mind that file starts with #filter substitution	02:42
freemangordon	hmm, but https to mozilla site works, wtf?	02:43
zeq	interesting	02:43
zeq	is it just https://www.google.com that's broken then?	02:44
freemangordon	no	02:44
zeq	different encryption type?	02:45
zeq	google uses RC4, 128bit appaerently	02:46
freemangordon	its is enabled in about:config	02:46
zeq	same for mozilla.org	02:46
zeq	not that then	02:47
freemangordon	well, that will be fixed upstream soon or later	02:47
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zeq	@installdir@ hasn't been expanded :(	02:48
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freemangordon	portrait mode is broken, damn	02:49
zeq	:(	02:49
freemangordon	hmm, it is working now, wtf?	02:51
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freemangordon	yep, it's ok	02:51
zeq	you sure?	02:51
freemangordon	yees	02:52
FIQ\|n900	hmm	02:52
freemangordon	seems i was runnung it with egl	02:52
FIQ\|n900	googled issued certificates to themself	02:52
freemangordon	the right bar was not appearing when scrolled to de left	02:53
freemangordon	FIQ\|n900: that could be a reason	02:53
freemangordon	but it fails with sec_error_no_memory :D	02:54
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freemangordon	lemme check gitorious	02:57
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FIQ\|n900	is it possible to upgrade the gecko version used by microB?	02:57
FIQ\|n900	"possible" as in "without the microB source and reverse-engineering doesn't count"	02:58
freemangordon	should be	02:58
FIQ\|n900	would it be trivial?	02:59
freemangordon	well, gitorious https works, could be something with google certificates	02:59
freemangordon	trivial? don't think so	02:59
zeq	FIQ\|n900: you need to match an undocumented ABI	02:59
FIQ\|n900	ok fine	03:00
zeq	maybe there's enought information it what's available, maybe not	03:00
freemangordon	FIQ\|n900: if we get fennec working ok, I think there will be no need for updated microb. though if we update it, we will free lots of RAM	03:00
zeq	there are some sources	03:00
FIQ\|n900	freemangordon: this was my idea	03:01
freemangordon	I think it is possible, but not trivial, we should write our own eal	03:01
zeq	what else depends upon it? modest?	03:01
ShadowJK	the gecko was heavily modified too :/	03:01
zeq	conversations?	03:01
ShadowJK	Maps	03:02
zeq	ok	03:02
freemangordon	yeah, lots of stuff	03:02
FIQ\|n900	right	03:02
FIQ\|n900	other things used it	03:02
zeq	some we have sources for though?	03:02
FIQ\|n900	I forgot that	03:02
FIQ\|n900	isn't maps just JS	03:02
freemangordon	it is	03:02
FIQ\|n900	obfuscated JS but still Js	03:02
FIQ\|n900	JS, even	03:03
FIQ\|n900	how does it do os calls?	03:03
freemangordon	which calls?	03:03
SpeedEvil	Maps is js?	03:03
FIQ\|n900	well	03:03
SpeedEvil	It doesn't have a binary component?	03:03
FIQ\|n900	gps, accessing taskswitcher, etc	03:03
FIQ\|n900	directly from it	03:03
FIQ\|n900	I think maps is all js?	03:04
freemangordon	gps is through browser location plugin afaik	03:04
SpeedEvil	It paints the screen from the maps files, and decodes them in JS?	03:04
freemangordon	not sure about task switcher, dbus call maybe	03:04
FIQ\|n900	yes, but how	03:04
FIQ\|n900	JS can't do that on its' own	03:05
FIQ\|n900	unless it's modified	03:05
freemangordon	NFC	03:05
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zeq	freemangordon: to fix the rpath, MOZ_FIX_LINK_PATHS needs to be set up correctly via configure. I tried to substitute the lib dir from $_QTMOBILITY_LIBS, but I couldn't get it to work. For now I've hard-coded it as /opt/qtm12/lib if $_QTMOBILITY_LIBS is defined. Ugly hack :( Test building now...	10:18
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zeq	will push if it works	10:19
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papo	hello	11:49
papo	I am trying to connect to a particularly resistant wifi and I am looking for logs on why this fails. I installed sysklogd and set the debug level of wlancond to 2, but the information logged is sparse and I don't see anything helpful. How can I get more debug info?	11:51
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StyXman	have tou peeked un dmesg's output? maybe, just maybe, there's some info there...	11:52
papo	checking	11:52
papo	StyXman: there is stuff in there related to the successful connection to another essid but not to the one that fails	11:54
papo	StyXman: The wifi in question is one with "WPA enterprise" auth (no PSK). I have a similar setup at home where this works but at work this fails instantly after I enter the credentials	11:55
papo	would be nice to have at least a little bit of information on why this fails :(	11:55
StyXman	:\	11:56
StyXman	well, I wouldn't even know how to debug it beyond that in a full fledged linux setup...	11:57
papo	StyXman: Some sites claim that in order for this to work, you have to check "set username manually" for EAP. Unfortunately you can do this in the "internet connection" menu only and not when you connect as usual. These sites advise to set up the connection in "internet connection" and then use it, but if I try to use it it displays the setup routing as if it did not know about the essid	11:58
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StyXman	papo: beats me	11:59
papo	maybe I am lucky and there is source code around to see what's going on	12:00
papo	https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-wlan/trees/master yay!	12:00
StyXman	\o/	12:00
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papo	huh apparently this was compiled with debug flags on... nice	12:05
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DocScrutinizer	I doubt it'll help	12:22
DocScrutinizer	probably an issue with this wlancond	12:22
vi__	_freemangordon: email yet?	12:29
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papo	DocScrutinizer: so what's this wlancond doing and how is it related to IAP and other wifi-related components?	12:31
DocScrutinizer	sorry, afk	12:32
papo	np	12:33
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chem\|st	~seen qgil	13:31
infobot	qgil <c0646a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.106.40> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 281d 11h 45m 29s ago, saying: 'ok, time to leave and join the Qt chapter - Siicon Valley. See you around!'.	13:32
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Hurrian	dude's not an IRC person.	13:36
chem\|st	Hurrian: I know	13:37
chem\|st	Hurrian: I was thinking about those n9s being shipped for awards and competitions...	13:37
Hurrian	chem\|st, mine's apparently held up at customs	13:38
chem\|st	Hurrian: you sure?	13:38
chem\|st	neat idea would have been to make them some kind unique	13:38
Hurrian	it is, I've called up DHL, and customs doesn't want to hand over my phone because it doesn't have the magic type approval stickers	13:39
chem\|st	64GB white or something	13:39
Hurrian	regulations and all that	13:39
chem\|st	Hurrian: which country are you in?	13:39
Hurrian	Philippines.	13:39
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Hurrian	I can't imagine the PITA I'd be in should I have received a N950 instead	13:41
chem\|st	hehe	13:41
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chem\|st	Hurrian: have you gotten any email about the shipment cause I didn't	13:41
Hurrian	nooope.	13:41
Hurrian	I'm in kind of a bind right now, reading the Type Approval sticker on my N900's box… the IMEI's there.	13:42
Hurrian	how the hell do I apply for a sticker without the IMEI	13:42
Hurrian	oh well.	13:42
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chem\|st	Hurrian: nokia knows the imei of the phone they sent to you	13:42
Juozapas	hi	13:43
chem\|st	Juozapas: hi	13:43
Hurrian	…unless they simply decided to pick them up out of a stack of phones they had laying around	13:43
Hurrian	well, hopefully I can get this all sorted out	13:43
chem\|st	I just hope they are 64gb...	13:44
chem\|st	16gb is rendered useless in days	13:44
Hurrian	man, and I was so psyched when the DHL bike arrived.	13:44
chem\|st	at least for a daily phone	13:44
Hurrian	chem\|st, they're black 16GBs	13:44
chem\|st	Hurrian: how do you know?	13:44
Juozapas	when someone call me on landscape mode there is not enough space for 'reject' button, on portrait mode it starts to panic - biger buttons, smaller buttons, sometimes even blank screen (like it's locked, no matter what I press). Any fix for this bug ?	13:44
Hurrian	threads	13:44
chem\|st	did quim state that?	13:45
Hurrian	meh, I'm just going to serve my media from my N900 over adhoc wifi.	13:45
chem\|st	even with those nokia is cheap...	13:45
chem\|st	Juozapas: you are talking cssu problem right?	13:46
Juozapas	yes	13:46
chem\|st	is it in stable?	13:46
chem\|st	or testing?	13:46
Hurrian	Juozapas, check your settings in phone	13:46
Juozapas	chem\|st: stable	13:46
Hurrian	Power button -> Phone -> Menu -> Turning Control	13:47
Hurrian	Automatic is broken, fix it to Landscape	13:47
Juozapas	Hurrian thx	13:47
Juozapas	:)	13:48
chem\|st	Juozapas: fix it to portrait, not landscape...	13:48
Juozapas	I will try bought, thx	13:48
Juozapas	*both	13:48
chem\|st	landscape is anoying over time	13:49
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Hurrian	chem\|st. not for me, I have my phone on landscape 99% of the time	13:59
vi__	Hurrian: hello.	14:01
Hurrian	vi__, got your phone yet?	14:01
vi__	Did you receive an email from nokia WRT receiving your CA?	14:01
Hurrian	nope.	14:01
vi__	Hurrian: Just an email from DHL about how you could not get it due to customs bullshit?	14:02
Hurrian	the mailman came by around 3 hours ago to hand me a physical mail with said BS	14:02
vi__	Oh...god.	14:02
vi__	I bet my N950 has been shipped to sub-saharan africa.	14:02
vi__	Hurrian: You live in singapore?	14:03
vi__	Phillapeans?	14:03
Hurrian	vi__, Philippines.	14:03
vi__	^/BS Spelling.	14:03
vi__	I just wish they would give us some feedback.	14:04
Hurrian	guess I'm lucky, customs' mood swings got my phone.	14:04
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Hurrian	at this rate, I'd have to go to the NTC office and get the sticker set by myself, and they'd have to figure out how to put it on the phone	14:05
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papo	I am looking for NB#159194 which appears to be a ticket number of some sort of a bug. I got this from the oss-wlan changelog	14:22
papo	where is that bug ticket?	14:22
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ShadowJK	internal nokia tracker	14:30
ShadowJK	sometimes you can find them aliased in the public bugzillas	14:31
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papo	ShadowJK: bah that is annoying	14:35
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papo	ShadowJK: but thank you for the info	14:38
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iDont	_freemangordon, busybox-power in community-thumb is working flawlessly, thanks a lot!	14:55
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Jaffa	iDont: "flawlessly" is strong. "seems to be working flawlessly" is far safer ;-)	15:05
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iDont	Jaffa, I suppose so. Well, let's hope no issues will pop up then :)	15:08
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papo	Could anyone check whether the section on WEP on http://wiki.maemo.org/PEAP%2BMSCHAPv2_WiFi_authentication_setup is in line with any rules for the wiki? This is the first time I contributed to the wiki and investigating the whole thing was a massive pain, so I just want to be done with it and would like to avoid that this section gets removed because of any violations of some rules	15:13
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kwtm	What's the easiest way for me to add a status area icon on the N900, from within a script? I'm hoping for a command-line thing I can call in shell, e.g. 'addicon -i MyIconFile.png' but would be happy with a python library or something. Hoping to avoid C/C++ or other compiled things.	15:40
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Juozapas	skype works for u on n900 ? for me it's 'network error' for few days already (and no, it's not network problem	15:43
freemangordon_	wfm	15:43
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merlin1991	papo: that entry looks fine	16:12
merlin1991	also in general we rather adjust than remove content on the wiki, we're not the editor nazis over @ wikipedia ;)	16:13
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papo	merlin1991: thank you	16:25
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Jaffa	papo: There aren't many rules - and people are unlikely to remove useful information if, for example, a new page is camel cased rather than multi-worded.	16:27
Jaffa	papo: It's not Wikipedia ;-)	16:27
papo	Jaffa: Yeah that's nice do now. Anything else would have been somewhat disappointing though because digging this whole stuff out was really not a pleasure. Somehow "Network connection error. Try again?" is not a very helpful error message	16:31
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kwtm	Need a hint here: I wrote in my notes that ~/desktop_hildon is where all the icons for those desktop widgets are, except I can't seem to find that directory. What is the correct location of that directory? (I also tried ~/.desk and ~/desk )	16:36
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kwtm	(referring to N900 in my question above)	16:38
vi__	/usr/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop	16:41
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Jaffa	...and /home/user/.local/share/applications/...	16:45
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enpi	film	17:22
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DocScrutinizer51	~+uptime	18:06
infobot	- Uptime for purl -	18:06
infobot	Now: 1h 29m 22s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux	18:06
infobot	1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010	18:06
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zeq	freemangordon: cleanest solutiuon I've come up with for rpath is to set the qtm12 path in the LDFLAGS from mozconfig, and have a custom MOZ_FIX_LINK_PATHS with '-Wl,-rpath,$(prefix)/$(MOZ_APP_NAME)-$(MOZ_APP_VERSION)' in configure.in	18:18
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zeq	freemangordon: I've pushed the configure.in change. Make sure you add "-Wl,-rpath,/opt/qtm12/lib" to the LDFLAGS in mozconfig.	18:28
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vi__	DocScrutinizer51: what is a typical input impedance of a CMOS chip? I.e. The GPIO on a PIC microcontroller?	18:54
jacekowski	input	18:54
jacekowski	MOhms	18:54
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vi__	jacekowski: in the order of megaohms?	18:55
jacekowski	yes	18:56
jacekowski	well, a lot more in reality	18:56
jacekowski	you are more in gigaohms range than megaohms	18:56
vi__	and this is due to the resistance of 'off' resistance the mosfets?	18:56
jacekowski	mosfets have very high resistance	18:57
jacekowski	all there is is small capacitor	18:57
jacekowski	and it's leakage current ( resistance)	18:57
SpeedEvil	REad the datasheet.	18:57
SpeedEvil	It depends strongly on the design.	18:57
jacekowski	i think they more often specify leakage current than impedance	18:57
SpeedEvil	It may be very far from gigohms for a GPIO pin.	18:57
* vi__ is already reading...		18:58
SpeedEvil	Indeed.	18:58
SpeedEvil	As the leakage from the output switches - even in 'off' state may be significant.	18:58
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freemangordon	zeq: ping	20:29
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ketas	what's window manager similar to matchbox, for single window low resource ("embedded") system	20:39
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zeq	freemangordon: pong	20:42
freemangordon	zeq: did you succeed with rpath?	20:47
freemangordon	btw romaxa is on #mobile, we are having some chatter	20:47
zeq	yes, after a fashion	20:47
zeq	see the commit	20:48
zeq	freemangordon: I've pushed the configure.in change. Make sure you add "-Wl,-rpath,/opt/qtm12/lib" to the LDFLAGS in mozconfig.	20:48
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zeq	from earlier ^	20:48
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zeq	there wasn't a clean way to get the installdir automatically in mozconfig	20:49
zeq	I attempted to hack something up to get the qtm12 lib dir in configure.in but I couldn't get that working.	20:50
zeq	It's okay in mozconfig though IMO since the PKG_CONFIG_PATH is set there anyway.	20:50
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zeq	freemangordon: anyway, it is working :)	20:51
freemangordon	zeq: yeah, sounds just a little bit hackish :)	20:52
freemangordon	should be ok that way	20:52
zeq	rpath is kind of hackish anyway :)	20:54
freemangordon	zeq: you're missing the fun on #mobile :P	20:58
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freemangordon	[20:39] <romaxa> freemangordon: I just got stuff compiled, will reflash maemo5, and try to figure out what is the status of Qt fennec on maemo5	20:59
freemangordon	[20:35] <romaxa> freemangordon: btw, found fix for building with maemo5 native compiler https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771222	20:59
povbot_	Bug 771222: was not found.	20:59
freemangordon	zeq: ^^^	20:59
freemangordon	wtf? stupid wifi router :(	21:02
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zeq	_freemangordon: romaxa building with 4.2?	21:09
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_freemangordon	zeq: yep. and you'd better join #mobile as I am going out adn wont be available for the next few hours	21:11
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zeq	freemangordon: I was having my dinner :P	21:11
freemangordon	:)	21:12
freemangordon	ok, sorry to interrupt	21:12
freemangordon	anyway I am afk	21:12
zeq	see you later :)	21:12
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freemangordon	zeq: I had some network issues here, don;t know if that message ever made it	21:14
freemangordon	[20:56] <freemangordon> romaxa: here https://github.com/sjnewbury/fennec-qt-maemo5.git is the source me and zeq are using, it contains volume keys zoom patch, debian/, some changes in configure.in, patch for old maemo5 gstreamer, etc. Would you like to have commit rights?	21:14
freemangordon	bb	21:14
zeq	I can't see it on #mobile	21:15
freemangordon	yeah, that is what I mean	21:16
freemangordon	:(	21:16
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zeq	freemangordon: I've pasted your missing offer on #mobile	21:18
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qwazix_	zeq, freemangordon: found why Nokia disabled rotation on harm outside qt	22:02
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qwazix_	"So there is a fair bit of xrandr functionality in the driver, but it's	22:04
qwazix_	not utilized by the upper layers. The main reason for that was that the	22:04
qwazix_	UI designers wanted the transitions to be glitch free, and there just	22:04
qwazix_	wasn't enough time to make that happen with xrandr."	22:04
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* RST38h moos, sacrifices a user to the Tentacled One		22:16
DocScrutinizer51	vi__: (typ Z-in) infinite	22:16
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zeq	qwazix_: rush job	22:16
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zsolt	hi there.got a nokia n900.i installed yesterday synaptic.something went wrong now can't boot up my phone	22:17
qwazix_	zeq, and they didn't stay to that, they crippled X to NOT support xrandr	22:17
qwazix_	why the hell did they do that?	22:18
DocScrutinizer51	vi__: for all that matters in practice	22:18
qwazix_	now I can't build hildon desktop	22:18
zsolt	the nokia logo shows up dark,and yellow led switches on and off	22:18
* qwazix_ bangs his head desperately on the wall		22:19
zsolt	cant set to flashing mode,usb not recognized	22:19
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DocScrutinizer51	vi__: if it actually starts to matter for your design, then rethink your design	22:19
zeq	qwazix_: can't you replace the xserver?	22:19
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zsolt	could somebody tell me what's next?	22:20
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qwazix_	zeq, seems out of my league to do that, I could give it a try though	22:20
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pepper	zsolt what is the os your using for flashing?	22:22
pepper	under windows 7 it may not recognize the usb, use a linux distro or follow the usb installation instructions on the flasher page.	22:23
zsolt	debian	22:23
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pepper	Hmm bugger.	22:23
pepper	I dont know enough then about that.	22:23
pepper	You said synaptic package maanger?	22:23
zsolt	win7 recognized as flashing driver	22:23
DocScrutinizer51	vi__: btw usually for SoC GPIO you can switch pullup/pulldown R at your discretion	22:24
niwakame\|afk	zsolt: your battery is full? ^^	22:24
Sicelo	synaptic ..hmmm, i bet it did some apt-get autoremove or apt-get dist-upgrade	22:24
DocScrutinizer51	vi__: those are in the range 1k...100k	22:24
pepper	problem is is that if you cant boot into the os it will not charge.	22:24
pepper	yeah but that shouldnt brick a device, just bork the app manager.	22:25
zsolt	i measured about 3,4	22:25
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pepper	I think full is 4. been a while though.	22:25
DocScrutinizer51	pepper: not completely correct	22:25
zsolt	affraid that only fbox can do the trick :( but if it is possible want to repair on my own	22:26
zsolt	the problem is that dmesg shows nokia phone	22:26
Sicelo	fbox? zsolt you don't need to panic here	22:26
zsolt	sorry	22:27
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Sicelo	the easiest way out is to flash device	22:27
DocScrutinizer51	zsolt: at 3.4 your battery is too flat	22:27
RST38h	Doc: What is new and exciting in this industry-forgotten corner of the Net?	22:27
DocScrutinizer51	zsolt: at 3.4 your battery is too flat	22:28
Sicelo	zsolt: ^^	22:28
zsolt	dmesg shows : Product:Nokia USB ROM	22:28
zsolt	Manufacturer: Nokia	22:28
DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: dunno, industry hogs my time	22:28
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zsolt	configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice	22:28
DocScrutinizer51	zsolt: at 3.4 your battery is too flat	22:28
zsolt	usb disconnect,address 109	22:28
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niwakame	DocScrutinizer51: one more time!	22:29
Sicelo	zsolt: in short, he means charge the battery using other means	22:29
zsolt	lsusb shows nothing	22:29
DocScrutinizer51	zsolt: at 3.4 your battery is too flat	22:29
zsolt	ok	22:29
zsolt	thank you	22:29
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zsolt	than what's next?	22:29
RST38h	Meanwhile: First iOS Malware Discovered In Apple's App Store	22:29
Sicelo	gawd!	22:29
DocScrutinizer51	charge i	22:29
Sicelo	link?	22:29
DocScrutinizer51	it	22:30
niwakame	zsolt: you have access to a N97?	22:30
zsolt	nope	22:30
Sicelo	or 5800 :P	22:30
niwakame	yeah	22:30
DocScrutinizer51	if N900 doesn't boot up, you actually need another means to charge	22:30
Sicelo	RST38h: link, if you may	22:30
niwakame	theres also a wall charger available somewhere, I think	22:31
DocScrutinizer51	niwakame: eh?	22:31
zsolt	my phone switches on and off,and yellow led sometimes lights up,vibrates and nokia logo appears darkly	22:31
* RST38h mays: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/359898/20120705/first-ios-malware-discover-find-call.htm		22:31
Sicelo	thanks. :)	22:32
DocScrutinizer51	zsolt: symthoms of too low battery and botked rootfs	22:32
niwakame	DocScrutinizer51: something like this? http://yby.en.alibaba.com/product/487055410-213635588/Battery_wall_charger_for_Nokia_5800_N900_X6.html	22:32
DocScrutinizer51	hmmm	22:32
niwakame	should be available from bay also	22:32
Sicelo	someone was just today telling me that iStuff is best because everything you install is well tested and malware free	22:32
zsolt	got a wall charger and a data cable	22:32
Sicelo	:P	22:32
zsolt	i going to charge it to full	22:33
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zsolt	but after that what can I do?	22:33
niwakame	zsolt: problem is, n900 needs cpu to be active to charge (or charging processor thingy)	22:33
niwakame	zsolt: if it's too flat, it won't charge, because it loses power when trying to activate the circuits	22:34
niwakame	(simple version, ask DocScrutinizer51 for a half hour explanation :P)	22:34
niwakame	no pun intended!	22:34
zsolt	understand,thank you	22:34
niwakame	ask your friends if someone has a compatible battery or nokia 5800 or n97	22:34
zsolt	thank you	22:35
niwakame	Or get McGyver, jumper cables, a chewing gum paper and a car battery	22:35
niwakame	;)	22:35
zsolt	:)	22:35
Sicelo	~flatbat-recover	22:35
niwakame	forgot	22:35
Sicelo	hmm, been a long time	22:36
Sicelo	~flat-bat-recover	22:36
niwakame	infobot is busy atm	22:36
DocScrutinizer51	~flatbatrecover	22:36
infobot	Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover	22:36
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DocScrutinizer51	this applies only when your rootfs not fecked	22:37
zsolt	i think that messed up my system with synaptic sysupdate :(	22:39
niwakame	huh, out of my league, but shouldn't do that	22:40
DocScrutinizer51	that's why every expereinced N900 user always as a charged spare battery	22:40
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niwakame	;)	22:41
zsolt	thank you for advices	22:41
niwakame	welcome	22:42
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kerio	is there a way to make fapman default to "All packages" in the filter?	22:51
kerio	*as the filter	22:51
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kerio	also, did someone change the shell for root without breaking anything	22:54
kerio	?	22:54
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RiD	fapman is a terrible name	22:57
kerio	fapman is an awesome name	22:58
jacekowski	fap fap fap	23:00
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RiD	faster app faster app faster app. that's what you said	23:02
DocScrutinizer	kerio: for root it's basically safe	23:04
DocScrutinizer	not though for user	23:04
kerio	DocScrutinizer: wait, what?	23:04
kerio	D:	23:04
kerio	i changed it for user	23:04
DocScrutinizer	changing shell in itself doesn't mean a lot either	23:05
RST38h	fap fap fap	23:05
RST38h	fsck fsck fsck	23:06
DocScrutinizer	it's alternatives for fubar messybox builtin unix tools that will "break" stuff for user	23:06
kerio	meh, i don't give a shit about that	23:06
RST38h	or even touch;finger;fsck;clear	23:06
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DocScrutinizer	kerio: oh?	23:07
DocScrutinizer	so what is it then you want from a "better" shell?	23:07
kerio	gnu tools, for instance :)	23:07
kerio	i followed jrtools	23:07
DocScrutinizer	THAT'S WHAT I TALK ABOUT, foooool!	23:07
kerio	seriously though	23:08
kerio	i've changed user's shell since forever	23:08
kerio	and had no problems	23:08
DocScrutinizer	some pretty basic command like ls doesn'T behave posix conforming in messybox, and user/hildon startup scripts relied on that. Dunno if it changed	23:09
kerio	i'm just going to go ahead and assume that scripts are correctly shebanged to run in busybox and not just "sh"	23:09
kerio	because i live in a world of fantasy where everyone is happy c:	23:09
DocScrutinizer	bwahaha	23:09
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* RST38h quietly considers sacrificing kerio to the Tentacled One. A little morsel indeed, but will count for something.		23:11
DocScrutinizer	LOL	23:11
kerio	i really hope i didn't break backupmenu now	23:11
kerio	it would suck to lose that	23:11
kerio	(changed root's shell now	23:12
DocScrutinizer	nah, that should be fine	23:12
kerio	aaargh mismatched parentheses)	23:12
RST38h	Meanwhile: Linux Played a Vital Role In Discovery of Higgs Boson (guess the source of this headline without googling)	23:12
kerio	slashdot?	23:12
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RST38h	RRRIGHT	23:12
kerio	fuck yeah	23:12
kerio	stuff like that is one of the reasons i stopped reading /.	23:12
kerio	another is that reddit takes up too much time anywayt	23:12
kerio	*anyway	23:12
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RiD	RST38h what fsck stands for	23:13
RST38h	RiD: Google?	23:13
RiD	infobot, what is fapman	23:13
infobot	I think you lost me on that one, RiD	23:13
merlin1991	kerio: I ususally skip directly to the comments section and read it for personal amusement :D	23:13
* DocScrutinizer fires a higgs boson gun at RST38h general direction		23:13
RiD	RST38h no thanks	23:13
* RST38h eats that higgs boson whole		23:13
kerio	dammit RST38h	23:13
RiD	higgs boson should be a name for a high calory cake	23:13
kerio	aren't you fat enough already	23:13
kerio	RiD: exactly	23:13
DocScrutinizer	this will cause quite some mass in your stomach ;-P	23:13
RST38h	No, I am not fat.I am evil.	23:14
kerio	RiD: or a protein shake	23:14
RiD	infobot no, fapman is Faster Application Manager, an alternative to the bulky and slow one that comes by default on the N900	23:14
infobot	okay, RiD	23:14
RiD	smart boy	23:14
kerio	~fapman	23:14
infobot	[fapman] Faster Application Manager, an alternative to the bulky and slow one that comes by default on the N900	23:14
kerio	~botsnack	23:14
infobot	kerio: :)	23:14
kerio	infobot: :)	23:14
infobot	(:	23:14
kerio	d'awwwwwwwwwwww~	23:14
RiD	infobot what is opera	23:15
infobot	i guess opera is at http://www.opera.com or opera ends when the fat lady sings.	23:15
kerio	so cute ^^	23:15
RiD	good.	23:15
infobot	kicks RiD's ass with a cowboy boot	23:15
RiD	DocScrutinizer / DocScrutinizer51 don't be mad :(	23:15
RST38h	~fsck	23:15
infobot	No devices specified to be checked!	23:15
RST38h	~fsck RiD	23:16
infobot	e2fsck /dev/RiD : warning! filesystem contains dickheads!	23:16
RiD	wha	23:16
RST38h	Hmmmmmmm	23:16
RiD	sorry i just reflashed my brain	23:16
RST38h	can you rollback to the previous version?	23:16
RiD	no, this is android	23:16
kerio	of course you can! with backupmenu!	23:16
RiD	i don't have a backupmenu	23:16
RiD	this is life or death, kid	23:16
RST38h	do you also have nitroid installed there?	23:17
RiD	or infinite reboots until the death	23:17
kerio	hehehe, Mr. RSTti	23:17
kerio	hrmpf, can someone give me a link to download opera mobile for maemo?	23:18
RiD	use their repositories	23:18
kerio	the website tells me to go to m.opera.com	23:18
kerio	i go there, i get redirected to a desktop site	23:18
kerio	that tells me to go to m.opera.com on my device	23:18
RiD	kerio try this http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?sub=++++&id=32891&location=270&nothanks=yes	23:18
kerio	silly opera, user agents don't work that way	23:18
kerio	RiD: hahaha, nothanks=yes always makes me crack	23:19
RiD	no thanks.	23:19
kerio	is it worth installing?	23:19
kerio	or is microB still better?	23:19
RiD	Well, it really depends on what you're browsing	23:19
RiD	Let's say that Opera is usually faster at loading pages, doesn't screw up with big images unlike microb, but doesn't have flash and the scrolling can be stutterish	23:20
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RiD	i find myself using opera more and more because of the site desktop "updates". They put all that fancy transition moving things and stuff, but their mobile version is always TOO basic	23:22
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ShadowJK	I think opera is also in extras?	23:24
ShadowJK	maybe devel only	23:24
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kerio	ShadowJK: it appears so	23:46
kerio	yay	23:46
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