IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-07-05

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kerio...i just did a pstree00:01
keriowhat the FUCK00:01
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ShadowJKvi__, I haven't investigated what it does on N8x000:05
DocScrutinizerkwtm: you can install orientation-lock on CSSU-S00:06
DocScrutinizerooh, missed Sicelo telling that00:06
zeqfreemangordon: ok00:06
zeqfreemangordon: need to merge00:08
zeqbe a few minutes00:08
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zeqfreemangordon: something weird happening with the merge... I'll get it fixed00:19
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zeqthe last rebase didn't go cleanly did it? you fixed it up.00:23
zeqI obviously pushed without noticing00:24
freemangordonhmm, it went ok00:24
freemangordonzeq: check your branch00:24
freemangordonzeq: i did some pushes, it could be that, i.e. .patch I sent you is merged. but there should be no problem aiui00:25
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zeqwith the rebase some patches are "empty" with their changes already applied.... I don't know, it's weird as I said.00:26
freemangordonyou can try to reset to HEAD and pull after that. but I am not exactly git guru, so might be talking nonsense00:27
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zeqhang on, trouble with the washing machine :S00:30
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keriodo you guys use something to watch youtube videos?00:34
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freemangordonkerio: yep, microb, qmltube00:34
keriofreemangordon: i meant apart from microb ¬.¬00:34
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zeqactually I've been meaning to mention this, but a CSSU update some time back broke the built-in qmltube-widget player00:35
freemangordonzeq: automatic fuse?00:35
zeqin the plug, 13A!00:36
zeqa little worrying00:36
freemangordonyeah :(00:36
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zeqseems to be working00:36
zeqwashing machine, that is :P00:37
freemangordonzeq: well, it has something to do with the fact marxian was trying to do it compatible for bot At 4.7.0 (stock) and 4.7.4(cssu)00:37
freemangordonzeq: if it is working, don't touch it, you know :P00:37
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MrPinguHi, (thought it would be time to pop up here again)00:45
GhostRiderV2helo desu00:46
GhostRiderV2wai wha00:47
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zeqfreemangordon: pushing it now, can you check it carefully when you pull please00:52
zeqI think it was your prepare for upstream patches conflicting00:53
zeqnot sure how that happened00:54
zeqI think I took the right versions of the code, but please do check.00:54
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freemangordonCONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in widget/qt/nsWindow.cpp ;). going to check it00:56
zeqok :)00:56
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zeqjust push whatever needs merging and I'll pull straight away so we're in sync00:58
freemangordonzeq: pushed01:00
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freemangordonzeq: why do you think orientationChanged is defined only when QTM is defined?01:02
freemangordonzeq: it seems your commits removed mine :(01:03
freemangordonI'll recheck the whole code01:05
zeqfreemangordon: somehow git confused them and tried to apply them at the same time?!?01:08
freemangordonyeah, furtunately it is not a big change01:08
zeqanyway, as for your question, it *was* because of the orientation API usage from libqtm.  For us there's no good reason actually.01:09
zeqwe should move our rotation code outside QTMOBILITY and just protect it with MAEMO==501:10
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zeqwe don't use any QTMOBILITY for rotation support01:10
zeqbut it needs to be in every file, otherwise there's build breakage if it's undefined, which is what my commit fixed.01:11
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zeqthe header declaration wasn't applied because QTMOBILTY wasn't set, while it was used in the cpp files01:12
zeqof course QTMOBILITY should have been set, but that was because I'd lost my PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable01:13
zeqmakes sense?01:13
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zeqdecaration should be QTMOBILITY || MAEMO==501:16
zeqthat's what I should have done :)01:16
zeqfreemangordon: ^01:17
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freemangordonzeq: yeah01:34
freemangordonok, going to check what's happened with the code01:34
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freemangordonzeq: it seems I should reapply some changes01:38
zeqfreemangordon: go ahead01:44
freemangordoni'm going :)01:44
freemangordonzeq: I still fails to see what is the reason for #if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) && defined(MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY)01:51
freemangordon         QObject::connect(QApplication::desktop(), SIGNAL(resized(int)), widget, SLOT(orientationChanged()));01:51
freemangordon #if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) should be enough01:51
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freemangordonzeq: pushed (without && defined(MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY) :) )01:55
zeqIs that what I put i there?01:55
zeqIt should be ||01:55
freemangordonbut why? we don't want this for maemo601:55
zeqsorry, wrong file01:55
freemangordonthat is in nsWindow01:56
zeqyes that should just be MAEMO501:56
freemangordonwell, you may want to pull, so we have the same code01:56
zeqand where the slot is defined should be ||01:56
zeqpulling now01:56
freemangordonin mozqwidget.h?01:56
freemangordonlemme check01:57
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freemangordonaah, i see, now it is #ifdef MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY only. But dows it make sense to build for maemo5 without QTM?01:58
freemangordonzeq: ^^^01:58
zeqit breaks the build if QTMOBILITY isn't enabled01:58
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zeqlogically it should be || even if it doesn't really make sense to build for Maemo5 without mobility01:59
freemangordonagree, will change and push it01:59
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zeqthere wasn't too much broken :)02:02
zeqthere certainly are frequent updates to m-c02:03
zeqconstant flux02:03
freemangordonyeah, lots of work is going on02:03
* DocScrutinizer higgs02:03
zeqDocScrutinizer: surprising news02:03
DocScrutinizerbooz on02:04
freemangordondid they find it?02:04
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zeqfreemangordon: they believe so02:04
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zeqor certainly a particle with the expected properties02:04
freemangordonaah, i missed that02:04
zeqthey don't yet don't if it's the only one...02:04
zeqsuch is particle physics02:05
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freemangordonzeq: pushed02:11
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freemangordonBTW Exec=LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/fennec-16.0a1:/opt/qtm12/lib /opt/fennec-16.0a1/fennec in .desktop file does not work :(02:12
freemangordonthe same works from shell02:13
zeqok, so we'll need to decide whether to:02:13
zeq1) use a script launcher02:13
zeq2) link with rpath02:13
freemangordonrpath is better I think02:13
zeq3) put /opt/qtm12/lib into
freemangordon1 or 2, but 2 seems better02:14
freemangordonif you know how to do it :)02:14
zeqI can look it up, can't remember off-hand :)02:14
freemangordoncflags in debian/rules?02:14
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freemangordonor ldflags02:15
zeqldflags probably02:15
zeqalmost certainly infact02:15
freemangordonhmm, jscript is faster than before, mmedia still broken, lets check flas02:15
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zeqwe just need to put -Wl,-rpath=/opt/libqtm12/lib into LDFLAGS I think02:18
infobotzeq meant: we just need to put -Wl,-rpath=/opt/qtm12/lib into LDFLAGS I think02:19
zeqbest get it right! :P02:19
freemangordondammit man, that is faster than microb :)02:19
zeqhw accel?02:19
freemangordonlemme try it02:20
zeqit's going to be crazy quick02:20
zeqwhen it's all working02:20
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zeqactually we already have an roath-link in mozconfig02:21
infobotzeq meant: actually we already have an rpath-link in mozconfig02:21
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zeqfreemangordon: should be able to just add qtm to the rpath-link in mozconfig02:23
freemangordonwill you do that?02:23
zeqyes, and I'll test it first02:23
freemangordonstill faster without egl02:24
zeqbuilding now02:24
zeqegl still broken then02:24
zeqprobably falling back to sw02:25
freemangordonwe need romaxa to fix it02:25
freemangordonflash still broken02:25
zeqshame :(02:25
zeqfreemangordon: do we need the fennec dir in rpath too?02:27
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zeqI've been adding it to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH, not tried without it02:27
zeqbetter stop the build and figure that out02:28
freemangordonneeds libxul.so02:28
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zeqfreemangordon: does https work for you02:33
freemangordoni think so, but not sure, lemme check02:34
zeqI think it might be linking to some of the microb libs02:35
zeqcheck ldd /opt/fennec*/libxul.so02:35
zeqlet me check with LD_LIBRARY_PATH02:36
freemangordonyes, that is what you need02:36
zeqhttps works though?02:37
zeqfor me just typing something into the url bar then selecting google search fails when it tries to use
freemangordonyeah, seems https is broken02:39
zeqI've been just building with make -f && make deb.  That seems to work fine, but since it automatically sets the version I can't use it with rpath since I won't know the install path in advance...02:40
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freemangordon@installdir@ ?02:41
freemangordonor something like that02:41
freemangordonthat is what uses02:41
zeqmaybe... I'l try it02:41
freemangordonhave in mind that file starts with #filter substitution02:42
freemangordonhmm, but https to mozilla site works, wtf?02:43
zeqis it just that's broken then?02:44
zeqdifferent encryption type?02:45
zeqgoogle uses RC4, 128bit appaerently02:46
freemangordonits is enabled in about:config02:46
zeqsame for mozilla.org02:46
zeqnot that then02:47
freemangordonwell, that will be fixed upstream soon or later02:47
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zeq@installdir@ hasn't been expanded :(02:48
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freemangordonportrait mode is broken, damn02:49
freemangordonhmm, it is working now, wtf?02:51
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freemangordonyep, it's ok02:51
zeqyou sure?02:51
freemangordonseems i was runnung it with egl02:52
FIQ|n900googled issued certificates to themself02:52
freemangordonthe right bar was not appearing when scrolled to de left02:53
freemangordonFIQ|n900: that could be a reason02:53
freemangordonbut it fails with sec_error_no_memory :D02:54
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freemangordonlemme check gitorious02:57
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FIQ|n900is it possible to upgrade the gecko version used by microB?02:57
FIQ|n900"possible" as in "without the microB source and reverse-engineering doesn't count"02:58
freemangordonshould be02:58
FIQ|n900would it be trivial?02:59
freemangordonwell, gitorious https works, could be something with google certificates02:59
freemangordontrivial? don't think so02:59
zeqFIQ|n900: you need to match an undocumented ABI02:59
FIQ|n900ok fine03:00
zeqmaybe there's enought information it what's available, maybe not03:00
freemangordonFIQ|n900: if we get fennec working ok, I think there will be no need for updated microb. though if we update it, we will free lots of RAM03:00
zeqthere are some sources03:00
FIQ|n900freemangordon: this was my idea03:01
freemangordonI think it is possible, but not trivial, we should write our own eal03:01
zeqwhat else depends upon it? modest?03:01
ShadowJKthe gecko was heavily modified too :/03:01
freemangordonyeah, lots of stuff03:02
FIQ|n900other things used it03:02
zeqsome we have sources for though?03:02
FIQ|n900I forgot that03:02
FIQ|n900isn't maps just JS03:02
freemangordonit is03:02
FIQ|n900obfuscated JS but still Js03:02
FIQ|n900JS, even03:03
FIQ|n900how does it do os calls?03:03
freemangordonwhich calls?03:03
SpeedEvilMaps is js?03:03
SpeedEvilIt doesn't have a binary component?03:03
FIQ|n900gps, accessing taskswitcher, etc03:03
FIQ|n900directly from it03:03
FIQ|n900I think maps is all js?03:04
freemangordongps is through browser location plugin afaik03:04
SpeedEvilIt paints the screen from the maps files, and decodes them in JS?03:04
freemangordonnot sure about task switcher, dbus call maybe03:04
FIQ|n900yes, but *how*03:04
FIQ|n900JS can't do that on its' own03:05
FIQ|n900unless it's modified03:05
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zeqfreemangordon: to fix the rpath, MOZ_FIX_LINK_PATHS needs to be set up correctly via configure.  I tried to substitute the lib dir from $_QTMOBILITY_LIBS, but I couldn't get it to work.  For now I've hard-coded it as /opt/qtm12/lib if $_QTMOBILITY_LIBS is defined.  Ugly hack :(  Test building now...10:18
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zeqwill push if it works10:19
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papoI am trying to connect to a particularly resistant wifi and I am looking for logs on why this fails. I installed sysklogd and set the debug level of wlancond to 2, but the information logged is sparse and I don't see anything helpful. How can I get more debug info?11:51
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StyXmanhave tou peeked un dmesg's output? maybe, just maybe, there's some info there...11:52
papoStyXman: there is stuff in there related to the successful connection to another essid but not to the one that fails11:54
papoStyXman: The wifi in question is one with "WPA enterprise" auth (no PSK). I have a similar setup at home where this works but at work this fails instantly after I enter the credentials11:55
papowould be nice to have at least a little bit of information on why this fails :(11:55
StyXmanwell, I wouldn't even know how to debug it beyond that in a full fledged linux setup...11:57
papoStyXman: Some sites claim that in order for this to work, you have to check "set username manually" for EAP. Unfortunately you can do this in the "internet connection" menu only and not when you connect as usual. These sites advise to set up the connection in "internet connection" and then use it, but if I try to use it it displays the setup routing as if it did not know about the essid11:58
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StyXmanpapo: beats me11:59
papomaybe I am lucky and there is source code around to see what's going on12:00
papo yay!12:00
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papohuh apparently this was compiled with debug flags on... nice12:05
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DocScrutinizerI doubt it'll help12:22
DocScrutinizerprobably an issue with this wlancond12:22
vi___freemangordon: email yet?12:29
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papoDocScrutinizer: so what's this wlancond doing and how is it related to IAP and other wifi-related components?12:31
DocScrutinizersorry, afk12:32
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chem|st~seen qgil13:31
infobotqgil <c0646a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 281d 11h 45m 29s ago, saying: 'ok, time to leave and join the Qt chapter - Siicon Valley. See you around!'.13:32
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Hurriandude's not an IRC person.13:36
chem|stHurrian: I know13:37
chem|stHurrian: I was thinking about those n9s being shipped for awards and competitions...13:37
Hurrianchem|st, mine's apparently held up at customs13:38
chem|stHurrian: you sure?13:38
chem|stneat idea would have been to make them some kind unique13:38
Hurrianit is, I've called up DHL, and customs doesn't want to hand over my phone because it doesn't have the magic type approval stickers13:39
chem|st64GB white or something13:39
Hurrianregulations and all that13:39
chem|stHurrian: which country are you in?13:39
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HurrianI can't imagine the PITA I'd be in should I have received a N950 instead13:41
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chem|stHurrian: have you gotten any email about the shipment cause I didn't13:41
HurrianI'm in kind of a bind right now, reading the Type Approval sticker on my N900's box… the IMEI's there.13:42
Hurrianhow the hell do I apply for a sticker without the IMEI13:42
Hurrianoh well.13:42
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chem|stHurrian: nokia knows the imei of the phone they sent to you13:42
chem|stJuozapas: hi13:43
Hurrian…unless they simply decided to pick them up out of a stack of phones they had laying around13:43
Hurrianwell, hopefully I can get this all sorted out13:43
chem|stI just hope they are 64gb...13:44
chem|st16gb is rendered useless in days13:44
Hurrianman, and I was so psyched when the DHL bike arrived.13:44
chem|stat least for a daily phone13:44
Hurrianchem|st, they're black 16GBs13:44
chem|stHurrian: how do you know?13:44
Juozapaswhen someone call me on landscape mode there is not enough space for 'reject' button, on portrait mode it starts to panic - biger buttons, smaller buttons, sometimes even blank screen (like it's locked, no matter what I press). Any fix for this bug ?13:44
chem|stdid quim state that?13:45
Hurrianmeh, I'm just going to serve my media from my N900 over adhoc wifi.13:45
chem|steven with those nokia is cheap...13:45
chem|stJuozapas: you are talking cssu problem right?13:46
chem|stis it in stable?13:46
chem|stor testing?13:46
HurrianJuozapas, check your settings in phone13:46
Juozapaschem|st: stable13:46
HurrianPower button -> Phone -> Menu -> Turning Control13:47
HurrianAutomatic is broken, fix it to Landscape13:47
JuozapasHurrian thx13:47
chem|stJuozapas: fix it to portrait, not landscape...13:48
JuozapasI will try bought, thx13:48
chem|stlandscape is anoying over time13:49
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Hurrianchem|st. not for me, I have my phone on landscape 99% of the time13:59
vi__Hurrian: hello.14:01
Hurrianvi__, got your phone yet?14:01
vi__Did you receive an email from nokia WRT receiving your CA?14:01
vi__Hurrian: Just an email from DHL about how you could not get it due to customs bullshit?14:02
Hurrianthe mailman came by around 3 hours ago to hand me a physical mail with said BS14:02
vi__I bet my N950 has been shipped to sub-saharan africa.14:02
vi__Hurrian: You live in singapore?14:03
Hurrianvi__, Philippines.14:03
vi__^/BS Spelling.14:03
vi__I just wish they would give us some feedback.14:04
Hurrianguess I'm lucky, customs' mood swings got my phone.14:04
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Hurrianat this rate, I'd have to go to the NTC office and get the sticker set by myself, and they'd have to figure out how to put it on the phone14:05
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papoI am looking for NB#159194 which appears to be a ticket number of some sort of a bug. I got this from the oss-wlan changelog14:22
papowhere is that bug ticket?14:22
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ShadowJKinternal nokia tracker14:30
ShadowJKsometimes you can find them aliased in the public bugzillas14:31
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papoShadowJK: bah that is annoying14:35
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papoShadowJK: but thank you for the info14:38
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iDont_freemangordon, busybox-power in community-thumb is working flawlessly, thanks a lot!14:55
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JaffaiDont: "flawlessly" is strong. "*seems* to be working flawlessly" is far safer ;-)15:05
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iDontJaffa, I suppose so. Well, let's hope no issues will pop up then :)15:08
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papoCould anyone check whether the section on WEP on is in line with any rules for the wiki? This is the first time I contributed to the wiki and investigating the whole thing was a massive pain, so I just want to be done with it and would like to avoid that this section gets removed because of any violations of some rules15:13
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kwtmWhat's the easiest way for me to add a status area icon on the N900, from within a script? I'm hoping for a command-line thing I can call in shell, e.g. 'addicon -i MyIconFile.png' but would be happy with a python library or something. Hoping to avoid C/C++ or other compiled things.15:40
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Juozapasskype works for u on n900 ? for me it's 'network error' for few days already (and no, it's not network problem15:43
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merlin1991papo: that entry looks fine16:12
merlin1991also in general we rather adjust than remove content on the wiki, we're not the editor nazis over @ wikipedia ;)16:13
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papomerlin1991: thank you16:25
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Jaffapapo: There aren't many rules - and people are unlikely to remove useful information if, for example, a new page is camel cased rather than multi-worded.16:27
Jaffapapo: It's not Wikipedia ;-)16:27
papoJaffa: Yeah that's nice do now. Anything else would have been somewhat disappointing though because digging this whole stuff out was really not a pleasure. Somehow "Network connection error. Try again?" is not a very helpful error message16:31
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kwtmNeed a hint here: I wrote in my notes that ~/desktop_hildon is where all the icons for those desktop widgets are, except I can't seem to find that directory.  What is the correct location of that directory?  (I also tried ~/.*desk* and ~/*desk* )16:36
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kwtm(referring to N900 in my question above)16:38
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Jaffa...and /home/user/.local/share/applications/...16:45
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infobot- Uptime for purl -18:06
infobotNow: 1h 29m 22s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux18:06
infobot1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 201018:06
infobot2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 200918:06
infobot3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 200918:06
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zeqfreemangordon: cleanest solutiuon I've come up with for rpath is to set the qtm12 path in the LDFLAGS from mozconfig, and have a custom MOZ_FIX_LINK_PATHS with '-Wl,-rpath,$(prefix)/$(MOZ_APP_NAME)-$(MOZ_APP_VERSION)' in configure.in18:18
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zeqfreemangordon: I've pushed the change.  Make sure you add "-Wl,-rpath,/opt/qtm12/lib" to the LDFLAGS in mozconfig.18:28
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vi__DocScrutinizer51: what is a typical input impedance of a CMOS chip?  I.e. The GPIO on a PIC microcontroller?18:54
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vi__jacekowski: in the order of megaohms?18:55
jacekowskiwell, a lot more in reality18:56
jacekowskiyou are more in gigaohms range than megaohms18:56
vi__and this is due to the resistance of 'off' resistance the mosfets?18:56
jacekowskimosfets have very high resistance18:57
jacekowskiall there is is small capacitor18:57
jacekowskiand it's leakage current ( resistance)18:57
SpeedEvilREad the datasheet.18:57
SpeedEvilIt depends strongly on the design.18:57
jacekowskii think they more often specify leakage current than impedance18:57
SpeedEvilIt may be very far from gigohms for a GPIO pin.18:57
* vi__ is already reading...18:58
SpeedEvilAs the leakage from the output switches - even in 'off' state may be significant.18:58
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freemangordonzeq: ping20:29
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ketaswhat's window manager similar to matchbox, for single window low resource ("embedded") system20:39
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zeqfreemangordon: pong20:42
freemangordonzeq: did you succeed with rpath?20:47
freemangordonbtw romaxa is on #mobile, we are having some chatter20:47
zeqyes, after a fashion20:47
zeqsee the commit20:48
zeqfreemangordon: I've pushed the change.  Make sure you add "-Wl,-rpath,/opt/qtm12/lib" to the LDFLAGS in mozconfig.20:48
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zeqfrom earlier ^20:48
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zeqthere wasn't a clean way to get the installdir automatically in mozconfig20:49
zeqI attempted to hack something up to get the qtm12 lib dir in but I couldn't get that working.20:50
zeqIt's okay in mozconfig though IMO since the PKG_CONFIG_PATH is set there anyway.20:50
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zeqfreemangordon: anyway, it is working :)20:51
freemangordonzeq: yeah, sounds just a little bit hackish :)20:52
freemangordonshould be ok that way20:52
zeqrpath is kind of hackish anyway :)20:54
freemangordonzeq: you're missing the fun on #mobile :P20:58
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freemangordon[20:39] <romaxa> freemangordon: I just got stuff compiled, will reflash maemo5, and try to figure out what is the status of Qt fennec on maemo520:59
freemangordon[20:35] <romaxa> freemangordon: btw, found fix for building with maemo5 native compiler
povbot_Bug 771222: was not found.20:59
freemangordonzeq: ^^^20:59
freemangordonwtf? stupid wifi router :(21:02
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zeq_freemangordon: romaxa building with 4.2?21:09
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_freemangordonzeq: yep. and you'd better join #mobile as I am going out adn wont be available for the next few hours21:11
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zeqfreemangordon: I was having my dinner :P21:11
freemangordonok, sorry to interrupt21:12
freemangordonanyway I am afk21:12
zeqsee you later :)21:12
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freemangordonzeq: I had some network issues here, don;t know if that message ever made it21:14
freemangordon[20:56] <freemangordon> romaxa: here is the source me and zeq are using, it contains volume keys zoom patch, debian/, some changes in, patch for old maemo5 gstreamer, etc. Would you like to have commit rights?21:14
zeqI can't see it on #mobile21:15
freemangordonyeah, that is what I mean21:16
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zeqfreemangordon: I've pasted your missing offer on #mobile21:18
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qwazix_zeq, freemangordon: found why Nokia disabled rotation on harm outside qt22:02
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qwazix_"So there is a fair bit of xrandr functionality in the driver, but it's22:04
qwazix_not utilized by the upper layers. The main reason for that was that the22:04
qwazix_UI designers wanted the transitions to be glitch free, and there just22:04
qwazix_wasn't enough time to make that happen with xrandr."22:04
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* RST38h moos, sacrifices a user to the Tentacled One22:16
DocScrutinizer51vi__: (typ Z-in) infinite22:16
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zeqqwazix_: rush job22:16
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zsolthi a nokia n900.i installed yesterday synaptic.something went wrong now can't boot up my phone22:17
qwazix_zeq, and they didn't stay to that, they crippled X to NOT support xrandr22:17
qwazix_why the hell did they do that?22:18
DocScrutinizer51vi__: for all that matters in practice22:18
qwazix_now I can't build hildon desktop22:18
zsoltthe nokia logo shows up dark,and yellow led switches on and off22:18
* qwazix_ bangs his head desperately on the wall22:19
zsoltcant set to flashing mode,usb not recognized22:19
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DocScrutinizer51vi__: if it actually starts to matter for your design, then rethink your design22:19
zeqqwazix_: can't you replace the xserver?22:19
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zsoltcould somebody tell me what's next?22:20
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qwazix_zeq, seems out of my league to do that, I could give it a try though22:20
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pepperzsolt what is the os your using for flashing?22:22
pepperunder windows 7 it may not recognize the usb, use a linux distro or follow the usb installation instructions on the flasher page.22:23
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pepperHmm bugger.22:23
pepperI dont know enough then about that.22:23
pepperYou said synaptic package maanger?22:23
zsoltwin7 recognized as flashing driver22:23
DocScrutinizer51vi__: btw usually for SoC GPIO you can switch pullup/pulldown R at your discretion22:24
niwakame|afkzsolt: your battery is full? ^^22:24
Sicelosynaptic ..hmmm, i bet it did some apt-get autoremove or apt-get dist-upgrade22:24
DocScrutinizer51vi__: those are in the range 1k...100k22:24
pepperproblem is is that if you cant boot into the os it will not charge.22:24
pepperyeah but that shouldnt brick a device, just bork the app manager.22:25
zsolti measured about 3,422:25
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pepperI think full is 4. been a while though.22:25
DocScrutinizer51pepper: not completely correct22:25
zsoltaffraid that only fbox can do the trick :( but if it is possible want to repair on my own22:26
zsoltthe problem is that dmesg shows nokia phone22:26
Sicelofbox? zsolt you don't need to panic here22:26
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Sicelothe easiest way out is to flash device22:27
DocScrutinizer51zsolt: at 3.4 your battery is too flat22:27
RST38hDoc: What is new and exciting in this industry-forgotten corner of the Net?22:27
DocScrutinizer51zsolt: at 3.4 your battery is too flat22:28
Sicelozsolt: ^^22:28
zsoltdmesg shows : Product:Nokia USB ROM22:28
zsoltManufacturer: Nokia22:28
DocScrutinizer51RST38h: dunno, industry hogs my time22:28
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zsoltconfiguration #1 chosen from 1 choice22:28
DocScrutinizer51zsolt: at 3.4 your battery is too flat22:28
zsoltusb disconnect,address 10922:28
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niwakameDocScrutinizer51: one more time!22:29
Sicelozsolt: in short, he means charge the battery using other means22:29
zsoltlsusb shows nothing22:29
DocScrutinizer51zsolt: at 3.4 your battery is too flat22:29
zsoltthank you22:29
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zsoltthan what's next?22:29
RST38hMeanwhile: First iOS Malware Discovered In Apple's App Store22:29
DocScrutinizer51charge i22:29
niwakamezsolt: you have access to a N97?22:30
Siceloor 5800 :P22:30
DocScrutinizer51if N900 doesn't boot up, you actually need another means to charge22:30
SiceloRST38h: link, if you may22:30
niwakametheres also a wall charger available somewhere, I think22:31
DocScrutinizer51niwakame: eh?22:31
zsoltmy phone switches on and off,and yellow led sometimes lights up,vibrates and nokia logo appears darkly22:31
* RST38h mays:
Sicelothanks. :)22:32
DocScrutinizer51zsolt: symthoms of too low battery and botked rootfs22:32
niwakameDocScrutinizer51: something like this?
niwakameshould be available from bay also22:32
Sicelosomeone was just today telling me that iStuff is best because everything you install is well tested and malware free22:32
zsoltgot a wall charger and a data cable22:32
zsolti going to charge it to full22:33
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zsoltbut after that what can I do?22:33
niwakamezsolt: problem is, n900 needs cpu to be active to charge (or charging processor thingy)22:33
niwakamezsolt: if it's too flat, it won't charge, because it loses power when trying to activate the circuits22:34
niwakame(simple version, ask DocScrutinizer51 for a half hour explanation :P)22:34
niwakameno pun intended!22:34
zsoltunderstand,thank you22:34
niwakameask your friends if someone has a compatible battery or nokia 5800 or n9722:34
zsoltthank you22:35
niwakameOr get McGyver, jumper cables, a chewing gum paper and a car battery22:35
Sicelohmm, been a long time22:36
niwakameinfobot is busy atm22:36
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover22:36
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DocScrutinizer51this applies only when your rootfs not fecked22:37
zsolti think that messed up my system with synaptic sysupdate :(22:39
niwakamehuh, out of my league, but shouldn't do that22:40
DocScrutinizer51that's why every expereinced N900 user always as a charged spare battery22:40
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zsoltthank you for advices22:41
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keriois there a way to make fapman default to "All packages" in the filter?22:51
kerio*as the filter22:51
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kerioalso, did someone change the shell for root without breaking anything22:54
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RiDfapman is a terrible name22:57
keriofapman is an awesome name22:58
jacekowskifap fap fap23:00
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RiDfaster app faster app faster app. that's what you said23:02
DocScrutinizerkerio: for root it's basically safe23:04
DocScrutinizernot though for user23:04
kerioDocScrutinizer: wait, what?23:04
kerioi changed it for user23:04
DocScrutinizerchanging shell in itself doesn't mean a lot either23:05
RST38hfap fap fap23:05
RST38hfsck fsck fsck23:06
DocScrutinizerit's alternatives for fubar messybox builtin unix tools that will "break" stuff for user23:06
keriomeh, i don't give a shit about that23:06
RST38hor even touch;finger;fsck;clear23:06
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DocScrutinizerkerio: oh?23:07
DocScrutinizerso what is it then you want from a "better" shell?23:07
keriognu tools, for instance :)23:07
kerioi followed jrtools23:07
DocScrutinizerTHAT'S WHAT I TALK ABOUT, foooool!23:07
kerioseriously though23:08
kerioi've changed user's shell since forever23:08
kerioand had no problems23:08
DocScrutinizersome pretty basic command like ls doesn'T behave posix conforming in messybox, and user/hildon startup scripts relied on that. Dunno if it changed23:09
kerioi'm just going to go ahead and assume that scripts are correctly shebanged to run in busybox and not just "sh"23:09
keriobecause i live in a world of fantasy where everyone is happy c:23:09
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* RST38h quietly considers sacrificing kerio to the Tentacled One. A little morsel indeed, but will count for something.23:11
kerioi really hope i didn't break backupmenu now23:11
kerioit would suck to lose *that*23:11
kerio(changed root's shell now23:12
DocScrutinizernah, that should be fine23:12
kerioaaargh mismatched parentheses)23:12
RST38hMeanwhile: Linux Played a Vital Role In Discovery of Higgs Boson (guess the source of this headline without googling)23:12
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keriofuck yeah23:12
keriostuff like that is one of the reasons i stopped reading /.23:12
kerioanother is that reddit takes up too much time anywayt23:12
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RiDRST38h what fsck stands for23:13
RST38hRiD: Google?23:13
RiDinfobot, what is fapman23:13
infobotI think you lost me on that one, RiD23:13
merlin1991kerio: I ususally  skip directly to the comments section and read it for personal amusement :D23:13
* DocScrutinizer fires a higgs boson gun at RST38h general direction23:13
RiDRST38h no thanks23:13
* RST38h eats that higgs boson whole23:13
keriodammit RST38h23:13
RiDhiggs boson should be a name for a high calory cake23:13
kerioaren't you fat enough already23:13
kerioRiD: exactly23:13
DocScrutinizerthis will cause quite some mass in your stomach ;-P23:13
RST38hNo, I am not fat.I am evil.23:14
kerioRiD: or a protein shake23:14
RiDinfobot no, fapman is Faster Application Manager, an alternative to the bulky and slow one that comes by default on the N90023:14
infobotokay, RiD23:14
RiDsmart boy23:14
infobot[fapman] Faster Application Manager, an alternative to the bulky and slow one that comes by default on the N90023:14
infobotkerio: :)23:14
kerioinfobot: :)23:14
RiDinfobot what is opera23:15
infoboti guess opera is at or opera ends when the fat lady sings.23:15
kerioso cute ^^23:15
infobotkicks RiD's ass with a cowboy boot23:15
RiDDocScrutinizer / DocScrutinizer51 don't be mad :(23:15
infobotNo devices specified to be checked!23:15
RST38h~fsck RiD23:16
infobote2fsck /dev/RiD : warning! filesystem contains dickheads!23:16
RiDsorry i just reflashed my brain23:16
RST38hcan you rollback to the previous version?23:16
RiDno, this is android23:16
kerioof course you can! with backupmenu!23:16
RiDi don't have a backupmenu23:16
RiDthis is life or death, kid23:16
RST38hdo you also have nitroid installed there?23:17
RiDor infinite reboots until the death23:17
keriohehehe, Mr. RSTti23:17
keriohrmpf, can someone give me a link to download opera mobile for maemo?23:18
RiDuse their repositories23:18
keriothe website tells me to go to m.opera.com23:18
kerioi go there, i get redirected to a desktop site23:18
keriothat tells me to go to on my device23:18
RiDkerio try this;id=32891&amp;location=270&amp;nothanks=yes23:18
keriosilly opera, user agents don't work that way23:18
kerioRiD: hahaha, nothanks=yes always makes me crack23:19
RiDno thanks.23:19
keriois it worth installing?23:19
kerioor is microB still better?23:19
RiDWell, it really depends on what you're browsing23:19
RiDLet's say that Opera is usually faster at loading pages, doesn't screw up with big images unlike microb, but doesn't have flash and the scrolling can be stutterish23:20
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RiDi find myself using opera more and more because of the site desktop "updates". They put all that fancy transition moving things and stuff, but their mobile version is always TOO basic23:22
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ShadowJKI think opera is also in extras?23:24
ShadowJKmaybe devel only23:24
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kerioShadowJK: it appears so23:46
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