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| timeless | anyone here touch nokia/maemo/meego/qt location apis? | 00:06 |
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| timeless | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/location-overview.html | 00:08 |
| timeless | could someone please tell me what "inedi.ntcn" is in that file? :) | 00:08 |
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| kerio | zsolt: wait, what | 00:12 |
| kerio | why do you want to run dosbox on wine | 00:12 |
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| RiD | infobot, what is Nokia? | 00:30 |
| infobot | i heard nokia is a cellphone company from Finland. | 00:30 |
| RiD | infobot yes | 00:30 |
| infobot | i heard yes is the opposite of no | 00:30 |
| RiD | infobot i know | 00:30 |
| kerio | infobot: nokia is a pile of steaming crap | 00:30 |
| infobot | You know? | 00:30 |
| infobot | ...but nokia is already something else... | 00:30 |
| kerio | infobot: no | 00:31 |
| RiD | infobot, kerio is a robot | 00:31 |
| infobot | RiD: okay | 00:31 |
| kerio | D: | 00:31 |
| kerio | i'm not a robot! | 00:31 |
| RiD | i love this | 00:31 |
| kerio | infobot: kerio is not a robot | 00:31 |
| infobot | ...but kerio is already something else... | 00:31 |
| kerio | infobot: kerio is not a robot | 00:31 |
| kerio | hrmpf, how do i overwrite a factoid | 00:31 |
| RiD | you're doomed | 00:32 |
| RiD | infobot no, kerio is not a robot | 00:32 |
| infobot | okay, RiD | 00:32 |
| kerio | phew | 00:32 |
| RiD | infobot, what is kerio? | 00:32 |
| infobot | it has been said that kerio is not a robot | 00:32 |
| RiD | infobot, forget | 00:32 |
| kerio | well, at least that's true | 00:32 |
| kerio | infobot: forget about kerio | 00:32 |
| infobot | kerio: i didn't have anything called 'about kerio' to forget | 00:32 |
| kerio | infobot: forget kerio | 00:32 |
| infobot | i forgot kerio, kerio | 00:32 |
| RiD | nice | 00:32 |
| RiD | we just spammed this channel :D | 00:32 |
| kerio | meh, nobody was talking anyway | 00:33 |
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| RiD | at least we keep this busy with RELEVANT subjects | 00:33 |
| RiD | infobot, what is a pineapple | 00:33 |
| * infobot dances around with a pineapple on her head, singing o/' O pineapple, O pineapple, thy skin is very pokey o/` | 00:33 | |
| RiD | i'm shocked | 00:33 |
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| qwazix_N950 | timeless, that's probably just a typo | 00:51 |
| qwazix_N950 | Probably they just meant "in" | 00:52 |
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| qwazix_N950 | Anybody around? Bored to hell... | 01:03 |
| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, are you alive? | 01:04 |
| infobot | The dead cannot live | 01:04 |
| qwazix_N950 | action is happy that there is at least some sign of life, even mechanical | 01:05 |
| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, what is the answer to life, universe and everything? | 01:06 |
| infobot | qwazix_N950: what are you talking about? | 01:06 |
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| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, tell me a random fact | 01:07 |
| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, random | 01:07 |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... stevegoma... oh nevermind | 01:07 | |
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| Venemo | lol | 01:10 |
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| qwazix_N950 | Oh, somebody is actually alive. Howdy venemo | 01:17 |
| RiD | infobot, who is qwazix_N950 | 01:17 |
| infobot | RiD: what are you talking about? | 01:17 |
| RiD | infobot, what is qwazix_N950 | 01:17 |
| infobot | RiD: I think you lost me on that one | 01:17 |
| RiD | infobot, qwazix_N950 is a robot | 01:18 |
| infobot | RiD: okay | 01:18 |
| RiD | infobot, who is qwazix_N950 | 01:18 |
| infobot | qwazix_n950 is probably a robot | 01:18 |
| RiD | yes! :D | 01:18 |
| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, what am I? | 01:18 |
| infobot | *squeak!* get a way from me, you freak! | 01:18 |
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| RiD | infobot, what is qwazix_N950 | 01:18 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, qwazix_n950 is a robot | 01:18 |
| qwazix_N950 | Hahahaha | 01:18 |
| RiD | infobot yes | 01:18 |
| infobot | it has been said that yes is the opposite of no | 01:18 |
| RiD | oh lol | 01:18 |
| RiD | infobot is my little partner when this channel is alone | 01:19 |
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| RiD | infobot, who is RiD? | 01:19 |
| infobot | I think you lost me on that one, RiD | 01:19 |
| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, what is infobot? | 01:19 |
| infobot | qwazix_N950: what are you talking about? | 01:19 |
| RiD | infobot, infobot is an idiot | 01:19 |
| infobot | okay, RiD | 01:19 |
| RiD | infobot, who are you | 01:19 |
| infobot | RiD: what are you talking about? | 01:19 |
| RiD | infobot, what is infobot | 01:19 |
| infobot | i guess infobot is an idiot | 01:19 |
| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, what is low self esteem? | 01:19 |
| infobot | qwazix_N950: I think you lost me on that one | 01:20 |
| RiD | infobot no, infobot is me | 01:20 |
| infobot | okay, RiD | 01:20 |
| RiD | infobot, what is infobot | 01:20 |
| infobot | it has been said that infobot is me | 01:20 |
| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, seen RiD? | 01:21 |
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| infobot | rid is currently on #maemo (2h 38m 3s). Has said a total of 29 messages. Is idling for 52s, last said: 'infobot, what is infobot'. | 01:21 |
| RiD | infobot, what is wood | 01:21 |
| infobot | how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? | 01:21 |
| RiD | infobot, what is the answer to the universe | 01:21 |
| infobot | RiD: what are you talking about? | 01:21 |
| RiD | infobot, what is the answer to the universe and all that? | 01:21 |
| infobot | RiD: what are you talking about? | 01:21 |
| RiD | infobot, what is the answer to life the universe and everything | 01:22 |
| infobot | I think you lost me on that one, RiD | 01:22 |
| RiD | infobot, is 42 | 01:22 |
| RiD | infobot, the answer to life the universe and everything is 42 | 01:22 |
| infobot | RiD: that's too long | 01:22 |
| qwazix_N950 | Infobot google the answer to the universe life and everything | 01:22 |
| RiD | infobot, the answer to life the universe and everything is 4 | 01:22 |
| infobot | RiD: that's too long | 01:22 |
| RiD | infobot, the answer to life the universe and everything is 42 | 01:22 |
| infobot | that's too long, RiD | 01:23 |
| RiD | :( | 01:23 |
| RiD | he's too dumb to store bigger messages | 01:23 |
| qwazix_N950 | In fact he's too dumb to store big variable names | 01:23 |
| qwazix_N950 | It doesn't seem to have problem with longer values | 01:24 |
| RiD | he's an idiot | 01:24 |
| * RiD goes to a corner and starts crying | 01:24 | |
| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, 42 is the answer to life, universe and everything | 01:24 |
| infobot | ...but 42 is already something else... | 01:24 |
| qwazix_N950 | infobot, what is 42? | 01:24 |
| infobot | i guess 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything | 01:24 |
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| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, have a snack | 01:26 |
| RiD | oh. | 01:26 |
| RiD | idiot :( | 01:26 |
| RiD | infobot, what is InvalidHandle | 01:27 |
| infobot | RiD: what are you talking about? | 01:27 |
| RiD | lol. infobot, what is infobot | 01:27 |
| RiD | infobot, what is infobot | 01:27 |
| infobot | from memory, infobot is me | 01:27 |
| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, tell infobot what is infobot | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~query | 01:28 |
| infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) | 01:28 |
| RiD | hello DocScrutinizer | 01:28 |
| qwazix_N950 | DocScrutinizer, we have a serious discussion here don't interrupt | 01:29 |
| infobot | bye, folks! I gonna power my nose | 01:31 |
| infobot | Leaving. (courtesy of docscrutinizer). | 01:31 |
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| RiD | :( | 01:31 |
| qwazix_N950 | Okay, message received... | 01:32 |
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| infobot | DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! | 01:32 |
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| Venemo | qwazix_N950: I'm fine, thanks :) | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, redefining factoids is considered rude. Esp when those factoids are obviously not yours and even more when the factoid is ~infobot | 01:34 |
| Venemo | anyway, good night guys | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~attack RiD | 01:34 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing RiD | 01:34 | |
| qwazix_N950 | Gnight | 01:34 |
| * RiD cries | 01:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~rape qwazix_N950 | 01:35 |
| * infobot takes qwazix_N950 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 01:35 | |
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| * RiD accepts DocScrutinizer superiority | 01:35 | |
| qwazix_N950 | The infobot factoid was not defined, and RiD defined is as me, I don't see something wrong with that | 01:36 |
| qwazix_N950 | s/is/it | 01:37 |
| * RiD runs | 01:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | qwazix_N950: well, if that's the fact then yes, it's ok | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | just due to the fact *somebody* elsel_ abused the ~infobot factoid some days ago | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | which earned him a bot ignore | 01:40 |
| qwazix_N950 | Understood | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | (well, he did a few more nasty bot abuses) | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | your definition in fact is welcome | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~locl infobot | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lock infobot | 01:41 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: locking factoid infobot | 01:41 |
| FIQ|n900 | ~infobot | 01:42 |
| infobot | well, infobot is me | 01:42 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot is also http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ || The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot || apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot | 01:45 |
| infobot | i heard infobot is me | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~unlock infobot | 01:45 |
| infobot | unlocking factoid infobot, DocScrutinizer | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot is also http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ || The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot || apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker | 01:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | maybe it was too long | 01:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | nvm | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot is also http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot is http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O .oO(???) | 01:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | ~infobot is at http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot | 01:46 |
| infobot | infobot is probably me | 01:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | infobot is at http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ | 01:46 |
| RiD | maybe it's because you're using || ? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 01:46 |
| qwazix_N950 | What happened? | 01:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | try forget first | 01:47 |
| FIQ|n900 | what do I know | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | || no good idea, but seems it's not caused by that | 01:47 |
| FIQ|n900 | ~forget infobot | 01:47 |
| infobot | FIQ|n900: i forgot infobot | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo infobot | 01:47 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: there's no such factoid as infobot | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | dafaq | 01:47 |
| FIQ|n900 | ~infobot is at http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~unforget infobot | 01:48 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: Successfully recovered 'infobot'. Have fun now. | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot | 01:48 |
| infobot | docscrutinizer, i love abuse, feed me!, or whack, yo | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird shit | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~status | 01:48 |
| infobot | Since Mon Jul 2 21:26:02 2012, there have been 15 modifications, 206 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 79 commands. I have been awake for 1d 1h 22m 43s this session, and currently reference 118627 factoids. I'm using about 23716 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 300.42/9.9 child 0/0 | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo infobot | 01:48 |
| infobot | infobot -- last modified at Mon Sep 13 00:12:22 2010 by cb11; it has been requested 34 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 44s ago. | 01:49 |
| * infobot hauls FIQ up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles, courtesy of fiq|n900 | 01:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 01:50 |
| qwazix_N950 | Oops I think our little botabuse messed things up. Sorry for that. | 01:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer hates mysql databases | 01:51 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys infobot | 01:51 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'infobot' by key (15 of 32): #infobot api ;; #infobot xxx ;; #qi-hardware infobot ;; <infobot> search string ;; are you an infobot ;; arkaen's infobot entry ;; ibot, infobot ;; infobot ;; infobot avallen ;; infobot dhrazhak ;; infobot guide ;; infobot ipod ;; infobot lezia ;; infobot nickname ;; infobot no,. | 01:51 |
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| RiD | eh, sorry for the mess :o | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess mysql did a transaction rollback, or sth | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~literal infobot | 01:53 |
| infobot | "infobot" is "<reply>$who, i love abuse, feed me!, or whack, yo" | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~forget infobot | 01:53 |
| infobot | i forgot infobot, DocScrutinizer | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot is me | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird shit | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ infobot is me | 01:54 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 01:54 |
| qwazix_N950 | Yay | 01:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | um, I think that was a bad idea | 01:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | ~ | 01:54 |
| merlin1991 | ~nfc | 01:54 |
| infobot | i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, infobot is me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ || The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot || apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker | 01:54 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 01:54 |
| merlin1991 | ~bonkers | 01:54 |
| infobot | i heard bonkers is insane | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lock infobot | 01:54 |
| infobot | locking factoid infobot, DocScrutinizer | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot | 01:55 |
| infobot | hmm... infobot is apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, infobot is me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ || The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker | 01:55 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot | 01:55 |
| infobot | infobot is probably me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ | 01:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, infobot is me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker | 01:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | ~qwazix_N950 | 01:56 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 01:56 |
| infobot | qwazix_n950 is, like, a robot | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~infobot | 01:56 |
| infobot | somebody said infobot was me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker | 01:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | ~infobot no, | 01:56 |
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| qwazix_N950 | The one with the pipes was better, methinks | 01:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | factstats new | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~literal infobot no, | 01:57 |
| infobot | "infobot no," is "I love you too" | 01:57 |
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| FIQ|n900 | ~factstats new | 01:57 |
| infobot | new factoids in the last 24hours (7): infobot ;; infobot no, ;; qwazix_n950 ;; cmd: tincan (.*?) ;; primary cell ;; bupbat ;; twatty. | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo infobot no, | 01:57 |
| infobot | infobot no, -- created by RiD <~GhostRide@bl22-156-184.dsl.telepac.pt> 25m 2s ago. | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~forget infobot no, | 01:57 |
| infobot | i forgot infobot no,, DocScrutinizer | 01:57 |
| FIQ|n900 | ~ping | 01:58 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | could you please try to redefine ~infobot? | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | could you please try to redefine ~infobot ? | 01:59 |
| qwazix_N950 | Ok | 01:59 |
| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, infobot is an irc robot | 01:59 |
| infobot | cannot alter locked factoids, qwazix_N950 | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 01:59 |
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| FIQ|n900 | lets see if this works | 01:59 |
| FIQ|n900 | ~unlock infobot | 01:59 |
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| *** Guest41620 is now known as flux | 01:59 | |
| FIQ|n900 | apparently not | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't lock/unlock, except your own nick | 02:00 |
| merlin1991 | ~merlin1991 | 02:00 |
| merlin1991 | boring :D | 02:00 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer: ok | 02:00 |
| merlin1991 | ~DocScrutinizer | 02:00 |
| infobot | methinks docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 02:00 |
| qwazix_N950 | Infobot, forget qwaxix_n950 | 02:01 |
| infobot | qwazix_N950: i didn't have anything called 'qwaxix_n950' to forget | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus I'd hope you can also lock <nick>'s pager | 02:01 |
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| FIQ|n900 | infobot: forget qwazix_N950 | 02:01 |
| infobot | i forgot qwazix_n950, FIQ|n900 | 02:01 |
| qwazix_N950 | Thanks | 02:01 |
| FIQ|n900 | try tabbing more :p | 02:01 |
| FIQ|n900 | (or ctrl+i if you use a terminal) | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | or shift-space if you use xchat-n900 ;-D | 02:02 |
| qwazix_N950 | No tab on the N950 (simpleirc) | 02:02 |
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| qwazix_N950 | Remapped that to ctrl+right | 02:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer: I used irssi for a great deal of time on N900 | 02:03 |
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| FIQ|n900 | After starting to use xchat, I did ctrl+i all the time | 02:03 |
| qwazix_N950 | Used to that combo from microb | 02:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | Which was... a bit annoying | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I miss the tabs-tree there | 02:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | as ctrl+i does weird things with windows | 02:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | and may segfault xchat on n900 for some reason | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU | 02:04 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: you could lock your factoid so others can't mess with it | 02:04 |
| RiD | thanks FIQ|n900 | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | I think you had a typo there :D | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | ~ | 02:04 |
| FIQ|n900 | ? | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | ~ merlin1991 | 02:04 |
| infobot | it has been said that merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU | 02:04 |
| FIQ|n900 | what did I do | 02:05 |
| RiD | i did that and now i dont know how to revert | 02:05 |
| merlin1991 | ~merlin1991 | 02:05 |
| infobot | from memory, merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU | 02:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | oh | 02:05 |
| RiD | ctrl+i :p | 02:05 |
| merlin1991 | I thought it does not work with space | 02:05 |
| merlin1991 | weird | 02:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | try do it again | 02:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | :P | 02:05 |
| RiD | oh nice | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~merlin1991 | 02:05 |
| infobot | i heard merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU | 02:05 |
| RiD | not going to touch that anymore | 02:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | will you try everything I tell about w/o asking first? :D | 02:05 |
| RiD | not xterm related stuff :o | 02:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | RiD: well, I understand why :) @ not using ctrl+i | 02:06 |
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| FIQ|n900 | if I only could disable it somehow... | 02:06 |
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| RiD | on the conf file? | 02:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | wut | 02:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | is keyboard shortcuts stored there? | 02:07 |
| * FIQ|n900 looks | 02:07 | |
| RiD | i guess? | 02:07 |
| RiD | lol | 02:07 |
| qwazix_N950 | Check the preferences, theres a keymap page | 02:07 |
| FIQ|n900 | hm | 02:07 |
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| RiD | qwazix_N950 there isn't | 02:07 |
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| qwazix_N950 | Don't have it now in front of me but I remapped completion from tab to ctrl+right yesterday | 02:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | qwazix_N950: no? | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's even a GUI for key shortcuts | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops, qwazix_N950 already said that | 02:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | oh | 02:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | not preferences | 02:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | but in "advanced settings" | 02:09 |
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| FIQ|n900 | brilliant UI on N900 | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | directly editing the conffile is better | 02:09 |
| RiD | haha | 02:10 |
| qwazix_N950 | It almost always is, I wonder why settings pages don't always have a search box | 02:10 |
| qwazix_N950 | Best of both worlds | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | a "edit" button ;-P | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, RST38h refuses to hack on xchat any further :-/ | 02:11 |
| qwazix_N950 | It's always easier for example to find a setting in about:config on ff than in edit>preferences | 02:12 |
| FIQ|n900 | um | 02:12 |
| FIQ|n900 | C-i isn't there | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:12 |
| FIQ|n900 | there's C-o, C-k, C-b | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | then define it | 02:13 |
| FIQ|n900 | and various other things | 02:13 |
| FIQ|n900 | but not C-i | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | map it to null | 02:13 |
| FIQ|n900 | literally "null"? | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 02:13 |
| RiD | 02:13 | |
| FIQ|n900 | xchat wouldn't crash or anything? | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | some do-nuttin function | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw what happens on C-i? | 02:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | window goes to desktop | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | segv? | 02:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | instead of uh | 02:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | well, not desktop | 02:14 |
| * FIQ|n900 suck at describing | 02:15 | |
| FIQ|n900 | but doing it risk crashing xchat | 02:15 |
| FIQ|n900 | for some reason | 02:15 |
| FIQ|n900 | segfault | 02:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels like testing | 02:15 | |
| FIQ|n900 | don't know why | 02:15 |
| FIQ|n900 | try holding the buttons if you don't manage to trigger it | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know xchat serfaults a lot on unusual keys | 02:16 |
| RiD | channel separates to a new window dedicated to that channel only | 02:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | happens occasionally, dunno why | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g try unmapping vol+/- (F7/8 ?) | 02:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | yes, exactly | 02:16 |
| RiD | that's what happens on ctrl+i | 02:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | "to desktop" I belive it's called normally | 02:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | but that doesn't make much sense in maemo | 02:16 |
| RiD | never had any segfault with xchat but i dont go and press all the keys | 02:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | brb restart | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I once thought font+/- like in xterm was nice for xchat | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | on vol+/- | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I unmapped the keys | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ->SEGV | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 02:18 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee | 02:18 |
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| FIQ|n900 | hm, well | 02:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | mapping C-i to something bogus was a *bad* idea | 02:19 |
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| FIQ|n900 | xchat complained and broke my conf file now :p | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | use mine! ;-D | 02:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | and it didn't even solve my problem | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools /../xchat | 02:20 |
| FIQ|n900 | does it contain scary new shortcuts? | 02:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | ~google jrtools xchat | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB xchat only writes back any changes done in preferences when you properly quit the app | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools | 02:21 |
| infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 02:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | =g jrtools xchat | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ../xchat | 02:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | um, oops | 02:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | I lag | 02:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | [01:21:27] <DocScrutinizer> NB xchat only writes back any changes done in preferences when you properly quit the app | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | or: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat | 02:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | and pressing x button isn't "proper way"? | 02:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | ty | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is | 02:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | hm, 404 | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 02:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | ah | 02:23 |
| FIQ|n900 | here we go | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/ | 02:23 |
| FIQ|n900 | yes | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ | 02:23 |
| FIQ|n900 | fixed it | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~jrxchat is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ | 02:24 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 02:24 |
| FIQ|n900 | does D1:... matter? because I got two rubbish characters there | 02:25 |
| FIQ|n900 | (C-b and C-k) | 02:25 |
| qwazix_N950 | G'night guys | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 02:27 |
| FIQ|n900 | ah, it's just chr(2) and 3 | 02:27 |
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| RiD | sack | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~strip | 02:33 |
| infobot | Secure password and account manager for Palm Pilots.. URL: http://www.zetetic.net/products.html#strip | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~striptease | 02:33 |
| infobot | Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? | 02:33 |
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| FIQ|n900 | now I'm sad for real | 02:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | C-i was impossible to override :( | 02:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | placed something less annoying there (insert a T in the inputbox), didn't work | 02:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | but this time it didn't complain on unknown settings, so it isn't that | 02:36 |
| RiD | directly change the conf file | 02:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | i did | 02:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | it just ignored C-i | 02:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | but other things worked | 02:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | like changing the C-b shortcut | 02:38 |
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| FIQ|n900 | after quick discussion with #xchat - it's impossible with current source | 02:42 |
| FIQ|n900 | of course that can be edited, but yeah | 02:43 |
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| iluminator105 | where in audio files located in n900 folders | 08:12 |
| iluminator105 | where is audio files located in n900 folders | 08:12 |
| ShadowJK | /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds ? | 08:16 |
| ShadowJK | or .sound | 08:16 |
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| iluminator105 | ShadowJK, thanks | 08:27 |
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| kerio | what's up with the hidden directories for that, anyway? | 09:16 |
| kerio | what's wrong with "Sounds"? | 09:16 |
| jacekowski | look at file manager | 09:23 |
| jacekowski | it is sounds | 09:23 |
| jacekowski | on english locale | 09:23 |
| jacekowski | Sound* | 09:23 |
| jacekowski | but if you go to any other locale | 09:23 |
| jacekowski | maemo file manager will make the name look like it's in your local lingo | 09:24 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: os x does that | 09:32 |
| kerio | but the directories are still called in a sensible way | 09:33 |
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| jacekowski | osx sucks | 09:47 |
| kerio | lol why u mad tho | 09:47 |
| kerio | and really, it's doing the same thing maemo filebrowser does | 09:47 |
| kerio | except without hiding the actual directories | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | I agree with kerio FWIW | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | there could at least be symlinks | 09:50 |
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| kerio | luke-jr: that's actually even worse | 09:51 |
| kerio | hm, how does windows access those directories? | 09:51 |
| kerio | there are some "aliases" for os x | 09:51 |
| luke-jr | screw Windows | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | that's half the problem with Maemo | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | trying to be Windows-friendly | 09:52 |
| kerio | i know :s | 09:52 |
| kerio | fucking fat32 mydocs | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | but to answer, Windows actually names your directories in your locale | 09:53 |
| luke-jr | and has registry keys that tell programs what they're called | 09:53 |
| luke-jr | (that's for the OS user dirs, not accessing Maemo's… not sure on the latter) | 09:53 |
| kerio | no, i don't really care about its directories :) | 09:53 |
| kerio | os x has empty ".localized" files in the directories that have to be renamed | 09:54 |
| kerio | and then it has its own lookup table | 09:54 |
| kerio | by name | 09:54 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: there is a massive back out in fennec from yesterday, seems not only we were hit by the scrolling/performance problem. could you pull the latest code from mercurial and push it on github? | 11:34 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: there's a mirror of mozilla-central on github btw. I've rebased it on the current upstream. | 12:08 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: great. btw you may want to join #mobile, romaxa is there and there is an interesting discussion going on ;) | 12:15 |
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| vi__ | I went to #mobile to read interestings discussions. | 12:50 |
| vi__ | I was dissapointed. | 12:50 |
| zeq | freemangordon: not everything for CSSU-thumb installs cleanly in the SDK. | 12:51 |
| freemangordon | zeq: for example? | 12:51 |
| zeq | I'll go through it all again and take proper notes :) | 12:51 |
| freemangordon | once you have the correct repos in place it should be ok | 12:52 |
| zeq | it was something to do with the flasher | 12:52 |
| freemangordon | vi__: #mobile in mozilla? | 12:52 |
| zeq | not even relevent to the SDK | 12:52 |
| zeq | vi__: irc.mozilla.org | 12:52 |
| freemangordon | vi__: you're not interested to get fennec running on n900? | 12:53 |
| freemangordon | :P | 12:53 |
| zeq | @60fps ;) | 12:53 |
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| vi__ | freemangordon: Yes I am very interested. I went to #mobile on freenode. | 13:03 |
| vi__ | I was the only one there. | 13:03 |
| vi__ | Forever alone. | 13:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | vi__, you meant ##mobile :) | 13:03 |
| freemangordon | vi__: irc.mozilla.org | 13:03 |
| psycho_oreos | oh wait | 13:04 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: email yet? | 13:04 |
| freemangordon | vi__: no | 13:06 |
| zeq | freemangordon: soo many mozilla bugs... looking to see if there's a suitable on for our fremantle patch | 13:07 |
| freemangordon | zeq: ok. | 13:07 |
| freemangordon | zeq: building the latest | 13:07 |
| freemangordon | and going off for lunch :) | 13:08 |
| zeq | I'm kinda hungry too now you mention it... | 13:08 |
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| vi__ | freemangordon: how do I enable backing swap? I tried insmod /path/to/ramzswap.ko backing_swap=/path/to/backingswap disksize=soem_disksize | 13:09 |
| vi__ | but I have NFC ho to see if it has worked without stats from rzcontrol. | 13:09 |
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| vi__ | also, how does it compress without the LZO module? | 13:11 |
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| vi__ | ok. There seems to be some useful discussion on the google code page: | 13:17 |
| vi__ | https://code.google.com/p/compcache/wiki/CompilingAndUsingNew | 13:17 |
| vi__ | although the lzo question still stands. | 13:17 |
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| vi__ | insmod /lib/modules/current/ramzswap.ko backing_swap=/dev/mmcbl | 13:47 |
| vi__ | k0p3 memlimit_kb=63556 | 13:47 |
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| freemangordon | vi__:lzo iz compiled in kernel | 14:23 |
| freemangordon | *is | 14:23 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: latest m-c fennec works ok | 14:30 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: hw accel? | 14:30 |
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| freemangordon | without. and it is FASTER than before, lemme check if HW accel works | 14:34 |
| zeq | faster is good :) | 14:36 |
| zeq | how's memory usage? | 14:37 |
| freemangordon | hmm, HW accel works too, despite those "couldn't create EGL image errors", and it is FAST | 14:38 |
| freemangordon | cannot assess memory usage :( | 14:38 |
| zeq | nice! :D | 14:38 |
| freemangordon | well, fwnnwc uses 47.6 MB, TMO loaded | 14:39 |
| freemangordon | *fennec | 14:39 |
| freemangordon | plugin-container uses 31.3MB | 14:39 |
| freemangordon | that is according to conky | 14:39 |
| zeq | why so much for plugin-container? that's flash? | 14:39 |
| freemangordon | NFC | 14:40 |
| freemangordon | there is no flash content on TMO, so I don't know. lemme check yotube | 14:40 |
| freemangordon | crashed :D | 14:42 |
| zeq | oops! | 14:42 |
| freemangordon | trying without hw accel | 14:42 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: ty | 14:43 |
| freemangordon | vi__: np | 14:44 |
| freemangordon | zeq: SF rendering seems still to be faster than HW, will have to wai romaxa to fix that | 14:45 |
| freemangordon | s/SF/SW/ | 14:45 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: zeq: SW rendering seems still to be faster than HW, will have to wai romaxa to fix that | 14:45 |
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| zeq | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=770845 | 14:53 |
| povbot_ | Bug 770845: was not found. | 14:53 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: ^ | 14:53 |
| freemangordon | Platform: x86_64 Linux | 14:53 |
| freemangordon | :D:D:D | 14:53 |
| zeq | oops! :/ | 14:54 |
| zeq | better :) | 14:54 |
| freemangordon | yeah, much better :) | 14:55 |
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| zeq | linaro 4.7-2012.07 is expected on the 12th | 15:01 |
| zeq | freemangordon: do you think it's worth trying to build a "proper" scratchbox toolchain from it, or just update the kernel headers and C lib from CSSU-thumb and build another "alien toolchain"? | 15:03 |
| zeq | (Definitely need to update the kernel headers!) | 15:03 |
| freemangordon | zeq: I am not the correct person to answer that :(. It seems you're much more experienced than me on that matter - take my "toolchain" as a proof :D. | 15:04 |
| freemangordon | But anything that works should be ok | 15:05 |
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| vi__ | backingswap...ouch. | 15:05 |
| freemangordon | vi__: toldya ;) | 15:06 |
| vi__ | but why?? | 15:06 |
| vi__ | wtf did nokia do to the VM? | 15:06 |
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| freemangordon | NFC | 15:06 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: well, flash is totally broken in latest :(. | 15:21 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: did you look at what romaxa pointed us at? | 15:26 |
| freemangordon | zeq: which one? | 15:26 |
| zeq | for the flash plugin | 15:27 |
| freemangordon | that should be enabled | 15:27 |
| zeq | it probably uses a completely different codepath | 15:27 |
| zeq | maybe | 15:27 |
| freemangordon | and while it was slow before, now it is totally broken | 15:27 |
| zeq | freemangordon: looking for what romaxa said... | 15:28 |
| freemangordon | ok | 15:28 |
| zeq | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598868 | 15:29 |
| povbot_ | Bug 598868: was not found. | 15:29 |
| zeq | freemangordon: see mMaemoImageRendering in dom/plugins/ipc/ | 15:30 |
| zeq | (romaxa said ^) | 15:30 |
| freemangordon | yeah, but what about it? | 15:32 |
| kerio | huh, how does maemo figure out what's the sim's number? | 15:32 |
| zeq | freemangordon: looks like a MAEMO=6 needs changing | 15:32 |
| zeq | freemangordon: it only enables qt stuff for HARM | 15:32 |
| freemangordon | zeq: naah | 15:32 |
| freemangordon | it is ok | 15:33 |
| zeq | dom/plugins/ipc/PluginInstanceChild.cpp | 15:33 |
| freemangordon | #if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) || (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 6) | 15:33 |
| freemangordon | it isok | 15:33 |
| zeq | if defined(MOZ_WIDGET_QT) && (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 6) | 15:33 |
| zeq | at the top | 15:33 |
| zeq | re Qt includes | 15:33 |
| ShadowJK | vi__, backing swap of ramzswap seems to use very random access patterns for write requests, whereas the nokia modified default swapout tries to keep writes as sequential as possible. This is a bit different from mainline linux, which tries to put writes near last read OR write access. | 15:34 |
| ShadowJK | random write requests == slow on flash | 15:34 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I guess you're right, it mostly seems to refer to keyboard modifiers | 15:35 |
| freemangordon | zeq: yes, but that is some key handling, on all other places it is #if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) || (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 6) | 15:35 |
| freemangordon | yep | 15:35 |
| freemangordon | BTW sunspider scores even better, now it is 5095 | 15:36 |
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| zeq | N900 hw is pretty nice when running optimal code :) | 15:37 |
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| Lava_Croft | cant wait for nonsucking fennec | 15:37 |
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| freemangordon | yep. dang, my desktop scores 6 times faster. 4 phenom2 955 3.2G cores. it is pretty impressive result | 15:38 |
| vi__ | ShadowJK: ty | 15:38 |
| zeq | yeah.. embarassing really | 15:38 |
| zeq | ARM Cortex-A8 that much better clock for clock? | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK | mainline linux is optimized for hd, nokia mods optimized for flash, and ramzswap backing swap seems unoptimized ;) | 15:39 |
| vi__ | ShadowJK: bah! | 15:39 |
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| vi__ | ~awesome | 15:40 |
| infobot | hmm... awesome is JoshBang | 15:40 |
| freemangordon | zeq: who knows. | 15:40 |
| freemangordon | but values are those | 15:40 |
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| freemangordon | you may try to run it too | 15:40 |
| zeq | I will :) | 15:41 |
| zeq | going to re-merge my gstreamer config patch too, see if that works | 15:41 |
| freemangordon | what i cannot understand is why it loads pages so slow. | 15:42 |
| zeq | I had to move the Maemo config block above the codecs in configure.in | 15:42 |
| freemangordon | zeq: pull it first | 15:42 |
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| freemangordon | i've commited the .patch | 15:42 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I think something is timing out on page GET | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, btw, signatures aren't displayed in default maemo.org theme | 15:43 |
| zeq | need to check what goes over the wire | 15:43 |
| zeq | it's fast once the page starts loading | 15:43 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I need to walk my dog now... I'll be back later :) | 15:44 |
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| freemangordon | in the meantime: ACTA is doomed in EU | 15:57 |
| vi__ | yippee! | 15:58 |
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| sheepbat | dammit, jake lloyd | 16:03 |
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| vi__ | wtf is faster N9? | 16:50 |
| vi__ | Is it like the new speedpatch? | 16:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | vi__: tweaks and transitions for n9 | 16:56 |
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| RiD | dont talk about "speedpatch" :( | 17:01 |
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| kerio | yo vi__ | 17:13 |
| kerio | gimme a prebuilt reaver-wps | 17:13 |
| zeq | freemangordon: fennec build underway... | 17:14 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer et al.: what's the "correct" way of compiling stuff on the n900? | 17:21 |
| vi__ | kerio: you what? | 17:22 |
| kerio | vi__: nevermind, found one | 17:23 |
| kerio | a thing to bruteforce wps pins | 17:23 |
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| vi__ | I know what it is. | 17:36 |
| vi__ | 1. Hello <fellow user> | 17:36 |
| vi__ | 2. Banal platitude. | 17:37 |
| vi__ | 3. <your request here> | 17:37 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: maps.google.com does not turn gps on. are you aware of something specioal we should do to enable geolocation? | 17:51 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I would have thought it should work. | 18:07 |
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| zeq | Anybody here with an N9? | 18:07 |
| vi__ | zeq #harmattan | 18:07 |
| vi__ | zeq: #harmattan | 18:07 |
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| zeq | vi__: thx | 18:08 |
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| zeq | lots of the same faces over there :) | 18:10 |
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| qwazix_900 | seems my previous messages never got posted | 18:16 |
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| qwazix_900 | freemangordon: do you have your builds hosted somewhere? I'd love to do some testing. | 18:17 |
| qwazix_900 | btw, using cssu-thumb for about a week and I haven't got any single problem or crash | 18:17 |
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| qwazix_900 | zeq: have a N9 what can I do? | 18:18 |
| zeq | qwazix_900: if you could install fennec, and report back whether gps works on maps.google.com | 18:20 |
| qwazix_900 | just a minute | 18:21 |
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| qwazix_900 | zeq: asks for location only after tapping on the dot above the little guy in the map | 18:24 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: did you do that? ^ | 18:24 |
| qwazix_900 | above the zoom bar (desktop website) | 18:24 |
| qwazix_900 | then position works as expected | 18:25 |
| zeq | qwazix_900: using gps? | 18:25 |
| qwazix_900 | trying. I'm inside | 18:25 |
| qwazix_900 | let me get on the balcony | 18:26 |
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| vi__ | ShadowJK: but then how did backing swap work on the N8X0? | 18:26 |
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| qwazix_900 | I enabled mapsgl to see what'll happen and now I can't press the dot. Other controls work | 18:29 |
| qwazix_900 | got it, its pretty small and without a stylus... | 18:30 |
| zeq | qwazix_900: it's using gps though, right? | 18:32 |
| zeq | I'll test it if my fennec build ever completes :) | 18:32 |
| qwazix_900 | Can't say. The icon in status bar has not appeared | 18:33 |
| qwazix_900 | Im trying to guess from accuracy but handling is a pain | 18:33 |
| zeq | Kozzi on #harmattan tested and seems to think it's working..? | 18:34 |
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| zeq | apparently had a couple of confirmations for sharing location | 18:34 |
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| qwazix_900 | from accuracy it does NOT seem to be using gps | 18:36 |
| qwazix_900 | gives me about 50 meters radius circle | 18:36 |
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| zeq | qwazix_900: any gps indicator? | 18:37 |
| qwazix_900 | no | 18:37 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: did it attempt to get location at all? | 18:37 |
| qwazix_900 | I opened nokia maps to force the gps on, but accuracy on google maps still the same. It does ask for location, I answered yes and gives me an approximation | 18:38 |
| zeq | thanks qwazix_900 | 18:39 |
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| qwazix_900 | np | 18:42 |
| qwazix_900 | btw MapsGL works but it's slow and now I can boil an egg on the N9 | 18:45 |
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| zeq | Probably no webgl hw acceleration | 18:46 |
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| _freemangordon | zeq: just clicked on that dot, lets see | 19:20 |
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| _freemangordon | yep, GPS is on :) | 19:20 |
| zeq | :D | 19:21 |
| _freemangordon | what's MapsGL? | 19:21 |
| zeq | libqtm works then :) | 19:21 |
| zeq | it's supposed to be 3d hw accelerated google maps | 19:22 |
| _freemangordon | yep, it geave me my correct location, even I am indoors, let me go outside to check the accuracy | 19:22 |
| zeq | like a cut down web version of googleearth | 19:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | _freemangordon: zeq you are too stuborn ants, working all the time i see you here | 19:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | =) | 19:23 |
| _freemangordon | hmm"your computer is running webgl slowly..." | 19:23 |
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| zeq | I saw a bug in moz bugzilla mentioning lack of hw accel on harm | 19:24 |
| _freemangordon | I hope to find a way to disable it afterwards :D | 19:24 |
| zeq | ZogG_laptop: LOL | 19:24 |
| _freemangordon | I still faile to see why it loads the sites so slow | 19:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw zeq _freemangordon you update the newest fennec? afaik new one for android has better UI | 19:25 |
| zeq | ZogG_laptop: new one for Android has a native Android UI | 19:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | so in order to have one we need to reqrite the UI only? | 19:26 |
| zeq | _freemangordon: did you try running a packet sniffer? | 19:26 |
| _freemangordon | no | 19:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | in similuar way damagedspine is doing for wazr | 19:26 |
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| zeq | ZogG_laptop: microb is pretty much equivilent, but stuck with an old version of Gecko | 19:28 |
| zeq | not much we can do with that unless Nokia release the source | 19:28 |
| zeq | so, yes a new UI would have to be written to make it like the Android version. | 19:29 |
| qwazix_900 | "your computer is running webgl slowly..." also on N9 | 19:29 |
| _freemangordon | zeq: did you see romaxa's questions for native Qt UI? | 19:29 |
| zeq | no, what did he say? | 19:29 |
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| freemangordon | aah :P | 19:30 |
| zeq | is he writing one? | 19:30 |
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| freemangordon | [12:07] <romaxa> freemangordon: not sure how much you interested in qt development UI, but I have qtmozembed project which basically does things similar to webkit2, startup equivalent to microb or normal qt application, scrolling zooming 60fps, similar to android native fennec, but using Qt embedding APIS | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | [12:08] <freemangordon> romaxa: having microb replaced with a modern browser is our ultimate goal ;) | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | [12:08] <freemangordon> not that microb is bad, its just gecko behind it getting old | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | [12:09] <freemangordon> plus I prefer Qt over GTK for new development | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | [12:09] <romaxa> freemangordon: yep, main problem with qtembedding APIs is that someone need to write Qt browser UI... like moz guys did with android native UI | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | [12:10] <freemangordon> yep, I saw your patches, any intention to upstream that? | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | [12:10] <romaxa> freemangordon: I was talking about qtmozembed which is using all latest tech from mozilla central, off main thread compositing et.c. | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | [12:10] <freemangordon> yes, I look at your wiki page where are the instruction for building for harm | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | [12:10] <romaxa> freemangordon: I tried to push it into upstream, but bsmedberg by some unclear reason against that | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | [12:11] <freemangordon> yeah, saw the bug :) | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | [12:11] <freemangordon> *I saw | 19:31 |
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| freemangordon | It is not very clear what intensions romaxa has, but the fact that he set up my toolchain in his SB sounds promising | 19:33 |
| zeq | I wonder why the upstream resistance? | 19:33 |
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| qwazix_900 | I'm interested in building the ui if you're looking for hands, that is if it's possible to do it in QML | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | you ask? why upstream guys reject patches? comeon buddy :P | 19:33 |
| zeq | politics :) | 19:34 |
| zeq | qwazix_900: More hands are certainly welcome | 19:34 |
| zeq | freemangordon: do you think QML would be fast enough? | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | but romaxa deffinitely shows interest in helpng us with n900 port | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | zeq | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | oops | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | zeq: I don't think we need anything but Qt for that | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | qwazix_900: ^^^ | 19:35 |
| qwazix_900 | you mean qtwidget? | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | Qt in CSSU is hildonized to the point you only need to setup the correct object name | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | qwazix_900: yes | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | or QtGraphicsWidget more precisely | 19:36 |
| qwazix_900 | I'll have to brush my skills on that | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | foe egl HW acceleration | 19:36 |
| zeq | it's great we've encouraged romaxa to rejoin the N900 efforts :) | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | yes | 19:37 |
| zeq | wasted on Harmattan ;) | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | :P | 19:37 |
| qwazix_900 | I just thought that qml would be portable to harmattan and nemo too | 19:37 |
| dhbiker | freemangordon: where's your gravity gun :P | 19:38 |
| qwazix_900 | (And I like it more) | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | qwazix_900: yeah, you have your point | 19:38 |
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| freemangordon | lets see, what theme QML apps use? | 19:38 |
| zeq | qwazix_900: qt is just a portable, considering the rest has to be compiled anyway | 19:38 |
| zeq | freemangordon: afaik they're native too | 19:38 |
| zeq | (might be wrong????) | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | zeq: Nokia in their ethernal wisdom made pure Qt apps not looking very well on Harm AFAIK | 19:39 |
| qwazix_900 | hildonizing qt-components is another good-looking project | 19:39 |
| zeq | oh | 19:39 |
| zeq | Nokia.... | 19:39 |
| qwazix_900 | freemangordon: yep, that's the problem. We'd have to skin the whole UI by hand | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | dhbiker: in my hand of course | 19:39 |
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| freemangordon | qwazix_900: and it does not make sense, as we will have enough problems even without that ;) | 19:40 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, on the other hand... right now fennec xul Qt uses pure QWidget | 19:41 |
| qwazix_900 | and that's why all the mess with rotation | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | yes | 19:42 |
| zeq | qwazix_900: we (freemangordon) finally got that working properly | 19:42 |
| freemangordon | zeq: Qt on harm is not aware of orientation changes. Smart , ain't? | 19:42 |
| zeq | freemangordon: really? explains why we hit problems | 19:43 |
| qwazix_900 | zeq: yeah, I noticed, congrats | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | so you either use MT or listen to the sensors | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | *MTI | 19:43 |
| zeq | how does that work with MT? | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | NFC, I never write an app for Harm | 19:44 |
| zeq | I remember seeing in the code som MT 180deg rotation thing | 19:44 |
| * freemangordon feels hes English skills reduced by half as a result of his birthday night :D | 19:44 | |
| zeq | :D | 19:45 |
| zeq | it was good then? :) | 19:45 |
| zeq | fennec is finally built | 19:45 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: but of course, a rock bar with friends, JD and tabble football, what could be better | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | *table | 19:46 |
| zeq | sounds good | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | hmm, i am going to try egl with the changes romaxa proposed | 19:47 |
| zeq | anyway, congrats on your birthday :) | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | thanks | 19:47 |
| zeq | freemangordon: what changes? | 19:48 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: shipit | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | vi__: what? | 19:48 |
| vi__ | fennec | 19:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | zeq: why wasted on harmattan, it can be made for both in Qt i think =) | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | ZogG_laptop: not really | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | for harm it must use MTI | 19:49 |
| qwazix_900 | on the ui front, qml is much faster to code, runs in simulator so no need for building each time you move something a pixel left/right, doesn't need scratchbox, and doesn't have all the c++ limitations. AFAIK we can load assets from maemo theme so it should look native. If it turns out to be too slow | 19:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: because of hildon and MTF thing? | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | yep | 19:49 |
| qwazix_900 | we'll know early enough to move to Qt-widget | 19:49 |
| kerio | oh hey, there's actually a gcc for the n900 now | 19:49 |
| kerio | neat | 19:49 |
| * freemangordon is afk | 19:50 | |
| ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: but i think it can still be done with less sweat than writting everything separetly | 19:50 |
| kerio | wtf, why is gcc not installed as "gcc"? | 19:50 |
| vi__ | ZogG_laptop: the git is public, go right ahead. | 19:51 |
| qwazix_900 | by c++ limitations I mean having the widges parented correctly etc, not actual programming limitations | 19:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi__: after you sir | 19:51 |
| vi__ | ZogG_laptop: o0 | 19:51 |
| qwazix_900 | s/widges/widgets | 19:51 |
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| vi__ | person1: I want you to do this thing my way! | 19:52 |
| vi__ | person2: You are free to do it your way if you wish. | 19:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi__: i was discussing my point of view, i have noot enuf skills for doing anything useful, and just asked few questions. And i don't believe that — you can always fork or do it yourslef is always useful, that's all | 19:52 |
| vi__ | person1: NO, U DO IT. | 19:52 |
| vi__ | person2: eh? | 19:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi__: i didn't enforce or asked to do it for me | 19:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi__: afaik for now harmattan ui was rewritten or partly rewritten as understand for harmattan and maemo part is missing. I made a proposal and just said my opinion. no more no less. i think you got me wrong, pal =) | 19:54 |
| qwazix_900 | Another crazy idea would be to go chromeless and write the ui in html/js | 19:55 |
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| qwazix_900 | don't know how better that would be than xul though. I suspect xul's heaviness is due to all the multiplatform code legacy it has acquired | 19:56 |
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| qwazix_900 | If that's the case we would see major improvement | 19:56 |
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| zeq | it's not that XUL can't be, or isn't fast. It's just different. It's pretty much another whole toolkit. | 20:03 |
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| qwazix_900 | they say that camino is pretty faster than ff on mac (camino is native cacao+gecko) | 20:05 |
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| qwazix_900 | microb faster than fennec | 20:05 |
| qwazix_900 | native android ui faster by scales than fennec-xul on android | 20:06 |
| qwazix_900 | seems to me that xul is the culprit here | 20:06 |
| zeq | qwazix_900: actually, once we get hw accel working properly in fennec, it should be faster than microb | 20:06 |
| zeq | at the moment, there isn't much it it | 20:06 |
| zeq | microb is slightly faster | 20:06 |
| zeq | although that depends heavily on what you're measuring | 20:07 |
| zeq | for JS fennec blows microb away | 20:07 |
| qwazix_900 | zeq: of course but yo have to take into consideration how much faster gecko is now vs 1.9x | 20:07 |
| qwazix_900 | *you | 20:07 |
| zeq | for just interactive response microb is slightly ahead | 20:07 |
| qwazix_900 | ofc microb is preloaded so something for the microb scale there | 20:08 |
| zeq | and uses less memory | 20:09 |
| zeq | or at least, less additional memory | 20:09 |
| zeq | since the backend is always loaded | 20:09 |
| qwazix_900 | how hard would it be to try building chromeless and seeing what's the relative speed? | 20:10 |
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| kerio | why is microb closed-source, btw? | 20:13 |
| qwazix_900 | because it seems nokia closed down every maemo version more and more | 20:15 |
| kerio | is it elop's fault? | 20:15 |
| qwazix_900 | it was fully open back in the N8x0 days | 20:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | kerio, it's a differentiation thing. | 20:16 |
| qwazix_900 | It was to be opened, but never did. Could be his fault but I doubt he'll even know the word microb. | 20:18 |
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| zeq | he probably did set policy though | 20:19 |
| zeq | otherwise, where did meltemi go? | 20:19 |
| qwazix_900 | GeneralAntilles: It could be argued that hildon-desktop is a differentiation thing but that's open | 20:19 |
| qwazix_900 | zeq: south | 20:19 |
| qwazix_900 | meltemi is a north wind blowing late summer over the aegean sea | 20:20 |
| zeq | :) | 20:20 |
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| zeq | perfectly named | 20:21 |
| qwazix_900 | indeed | 20:21 |
| qwazix_900 | infobot, what is meltemi? | 20:22 |
| infobot | qwazix_900: what are you talking about? | 20:22 |
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| qwazix_900 | infobot, meltemi is is a north wind blowing late summer over the aegean sea | 20:22 |
| infobot | qwazix_900: okay | 20:22 |
| qwazix_900 | infobot no, meltemi is a north wind blowing late summer over the aegean sea | 20:24 |
| infobot | qwazix_900: okay | 20:24 |
| qwazix_900 | infobot, what is meltemi? | 20:24 |
| infobot | [meltemi] a north wind blowing late summer over the aegean sea | 20:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwazix_900, the widgets aren't open. | 20:25 |
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| qwazix_900 | zeq: any idea if we could hack cursor mode into fennec? Saw any relevant code? | 20:26 |
| qwazix_900 | maybe fennec has code upstreamed from microb, | 20:27 |
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| zeq | I didn't see anything, but you can select and copy text | 20:28 |
| zeq | by touch-hold | 20:28 |
| qwazix_900 | yes but you cant use websites that need hover (and not click eg pulldown menus) or drag (eg drawing) | 20:29 |
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| zeq | qwazix_900: I do like that feature in microb | 20:29 |
| zeq | although, you could always use a mouse ;) | 20:30 |
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| qwazix_900 | does a mouse behave like a mouse in fennec? or like a finger? never tried that | 20:30 |
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| zeq | I think my gf has a bt mouse, maybe I'll give it a go later. | 20:32 |
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| qwazix_900 | I bet it works like a finger. Hover will work but not drag. | 20:33 |
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| freemangordon | qwazix_900: it works like finger for scrolling, otherwise it works like mouse. Not tested it much though | 20:37 |
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| freemangordon | ok, thumb2-compiled busybox-power is in cssu-thumb repo, not tested it, just compiled the code iDont sent me | 20:46 |
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| zeq | webm doesn't seem to be working | 20:51 |
| zeq | freemangordon: although it has revealed something interesting | 20:53 |
| zeq | I selected fullscreen, an when I managed to exit, fennec was running with Hildon status bar, and reduced chrome. | 20:54 |
| zeq | ?!? | 20:54 |
| zeq | both portrait and landscape | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | zeq: any idea which .desktop to edit so fennec to start from applications? | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | vi__: let me correct that .desktop entry and I will upload it in cssu-thumb for you ;) | 20:54 |
| zeq | I'll have a look | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | zeq: something bad is happening with my inet, not sure I have all of your mesages | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | [20:51] <freemangordon> zeq: any idea which .desktop to edit so fennec to start from applications? | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | [20:52] <freemangordon> vi__: let me correct that .desktop entry and I will upload it in cssu-thumb for you ;) | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | zeq: where did you select fulscreen? | 20:55 |
| zeq | I got those | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 20:55 |
| zeq | I was testing webm | 20:55 |
| zeq | video never started, just the spinner | 20:56 |
| freemangordon | how to test that? | 20:56 |
| zeq | I held on the "video" and selected fullscreen | 20:56 |
| zeq | http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CF8QFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wellesley.edu%2F~kenny%2Fhtml5%2Fvp8.html&ei=E4L0T_WWC8yL4gTLyb3SBg&usg=AFQjCNFD7JSVPU5iH6-or6xX-q9Nmz5jsA&sig2=ZOqfQhBi76zO-MHvJ5EAeQ | 20:56 |
| zeq | yuck | 20:56 |
| zeq | I googled for a webm test :) | 20:57 |
| freemangordon | now it's better :D | 20:57 |
| zeq | tested in firefox on my laptop first | 20:57 |
| zeq | you did the same? | 20:57 |
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| zeq | weird huh? | 20:58 |
| zeq | how can we toggle that??? | 20:58 |
| freemangordon | no, i meant telling me "how" instead of pasting the link | 20:58 |
| zeq | http://www.webmfiles.org/demo-files/ | 20:59 |
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| zeq | another | 20:59 |
| zeq | I did supposedly compile it with gstreamer enabled though | 20:59 |
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| zeq | My chrome is now like the Hamattan version without the close and dashboard buttons | 21:00 |
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| zeq | ./mobile/xul/installer/debian/fennec/usr/share/applications/hildon/fennec.desktop | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | guys, am I allowed to put LD_LIBRARY_PATH in exec line in .desktop file? | 21:02 |
| zeq | doesn't maemo use ld.so.conf? | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | it uses, but qtm12 is not there | 21:03 |
| zeq | shouldn't it be? or not? | 21:03 |
| zeq | what is the policy? | 21:04 |
| zeq | rpath? | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | zeq: NFC, don;t want to lose time on that now, just want it working | 21:05 |
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| kerio | can i disable the Ovi repository safely? | 21:06 |
| zeq | well LD_LIBRARY_PATH works | 21:09 |
| zeq | do we have a webm codec? | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | hmm, but I don't know which file to edit, seems .desktop file is generated in runtime | 21:10 |
| freemangordon | zeq: don't know | 21:10 |
| zeq | /mobile/xul/installer/debian/fennec.desktop.in | 21:10 |
| freemangordon | zeq: it could be that missing signal ;) | 21:11 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: could be | 21:11 |
| zeq | the video player runs, but the video never starts | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | ooh, blind me, i looked in that directory 10 times, didn't see that file :D | 21:12 |
| zeq | :) | 21:12 |
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| kerio | meh, HAM just found some updates that aren't updates | 21:14 |
| kerio | silly HAM | 21:14 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I think it must be the missing signal | 21:17 |
| freemangordon | yep | 21:18 |
| zeq | what a pita | 21:18 |
| freemangordon | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/gstreamer-commits/2011-February/047159.html | 21:19 |
| zeq | freemangordon: what speed did you say you got for your desktop? | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | zeq: should not be, just find a way to workaround it with what we have | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | zeq: 820ms | 21:19 |
| zeq | we could patch the support into our gstreamer | 21:19 |
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| freemangordon | but today i tested google chrome, it did about 450 ms | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | zeq: not, don't :) | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | better patch fennec | 21:20 |
| zeq | I got 715.2ms with firefox on my laptop | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | that will become unmaintainable | 21:20 |
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| zeq | this is highly optimized Gentoo though :) | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | well, this is wondoze xp here | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | could be the reason | 21:21 |
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| zeq | core2duo 2.4GHz | 21:21 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, it could be optimized for intel, not AMD ;) | 21:21 |
| zeq | probably | 21:22 |
| zeq | you don't want to see my CFLAGS/LDFLAGS ;) | 21:22 |
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| freemangordon | as phenom II should go circles around core2 | 21:22 |
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| zeq | gcc-4.7.1 with every go-faster switch turned on :) | 21:23 |
| freemangordon | zeq: I am compiling right now, could you grep for "source-setup"? | 21:23 |
| zeq | ok | 21:24 |
| freemangordon | to see which file to modify | 21:24 |
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| zeq | depend on >= 0.10.33 as that's when the playbin2 source-setup signal was | 21:24 |
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| zeq | yup | 21:24 |
| zeq | content/media/gstreamer/nsGStreamerReader.cpp: | 21:25 |
| freemangordon | thanks | 21:25 |
| zeq | you think this would be better than patching in support maemo side? | 21:25 |
| freemangordon | yep | 21:26 |
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| freemangordon | lemme try to workaround it | 21:26 |
| zeq | ok, just just checking :) | 21:26 |
| jean_brat | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85242 | 21:26 |
| jean_brat | no more maemo device from now on? | 21:27 |
| freemangordon | jean_brat: you are surprised? | 21:27 |
| jean_brat | yes kinda | 21:28 |
| qwazix_900 | fennec 9a1 did 3207 on the N900 oc'ed to 1Ghz | 21:28 |
| jean_brat | was hoping N950 official release | 21:28 |
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| zeq | qwazix_900: sunspider? | 21:28 |
| freemangordon | qwazix_900: 16a1 does 5000 OC to 805 | 21:29 |
| zeq | I'm not going to test at 1Ghz | 21:29 |
| qwazix_900 | yep | 21:29 |
| freemangordon | :D | 21:29 |
| zeq | I like my N900 working ;) | 21:29 |
| qwazix_900 | stock got to 5140 | 21:29 |
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| zeq | ok | 21:29 |
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| zeq | so we're slightly behind the old js jit | 21:30 |
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| zeq | but this is with software only rendering atm | 21:30 |
| zeq | hw offload will give the CPU more time | 21:30 |
| freemangordon | zeq: there is no rendering in sunspider ;) | 21:31 |
| zeq | freemangordon: but if the CPU is busy rendering... | 21:31 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 21:32 |
| zeq | for some reason fennec never sleeps... | 21:32 |
| zeq | we'll have to look into that at some point | 21:32 |
| qwazix_900 | let's see how does the N9 | 21:32 |
| zeq | I'm going to see if I can get that fullscreen exit button working from the qt example code | 21:32 |
| zeq | (since I now know there is a non-fullscreen mode already there!) | 21:33 |
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| qwazix_900 | 5632 on the N9, 4328 on the N950 | 21:47 |
| freemangordon | hmm, that's funny | 21:50 |
| freemangordon | 1GHz,meh | 21:50 |
| zeq | ??? | 21:50 |
| zeq | doesn't it use hardfloat? | 21:50 |
| freemangordon | yes, it uses | 21:50 |
| zeq | I expected it to be faster | 21:51 |
| freemangordon | BTW i think I workarounded gstreamer | 21:51 |
| zeq | :D | 21:51 |
| zeq | shall I push the configure.in change? | 21:51 |
| freemangordon | lemme check it | 21:51 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: yes | 21:51 |
| zeq | ok pushed | 21:53 |
| zeq | it just moves things around a little so it knows it's building for maemo5 before it tests for gstreamer | 21:53 |
| freemangordon | thanks | 21:53 |
| freemangordon | zeq: WTF? 1 files changed, 154 insertions(+), 150 deletions(-) | 21:54 |
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| zeq | like I said, moves things around a little :) | 21:54 |
| freemangordon | a little moves around? | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | :D | 21:55 |
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| qwazix_900 | samsung galaxy note 1539 !!! | 21:56 |
| * zeq is afk for a bit | 21:56 | |
| zeq | qwazix_900: ff? | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | qwazix_900: what CPU is that? | 21:57 |
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| qwazix_900 | 1.5 dual exynos | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | well, seems reasonable then | 21:57 |
| qwazix_900 | zeq: yep | 21:57 |
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| qwazix_900 | after a reboot, N9 dropped insignificantly to 4973 | 22:02 |
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| freemangordon | ok, lets check google maps with egl enabled | 22:02 |
| kerio | is the ovi* stuff removable? | 22:06 |
| kerio | what about mediaplayer? | 22:06 |
| Lava_Croft | cant you just stop removing packages | 22:06 |
| kerio | no, i better keep that | 22:06 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: but... ovi is evil! | 22:06 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: and i'm keeping backups now | 22:07 |
| Lava_Croft | its not evil, its just badly made | 22:07 |
| kerio | EVIL | 22:07 |
| Lava_Croft | well, badly presented mostly | 22:07 |
| kerio | also, having a store on an apt repo is silly | 22:07 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: ovi store, aka angry birds download server | 22:09 |
| kerio | and did anyone ever use any of the other stuff? | 22:09 |
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| Lava_Croft | whats wrong with angry birds, apart from being a bit of a silly game? | 22:09 |
| Lava_Croft | well, yeah, thats another point:) | 22:10 |
| kerio | angry birds is great | 22:10 |
| kerio | was angry birds space released for maemo? | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | well, with egl enabled fennec crashen in a 1-2 minutes | 22:11 |
| kerio | ooh, what's "usb console" in backupmenu? | 22:12 |
| kerio | ftdi serial console? | 22:12 |
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| _freemangordon | WTF is with my inet? | 22:24 |
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| kerio | when you guys say to file down the "teeth" of the microusb part of the cables | 22:31 |
| kerio | does it have to be completely flat at the end? | 22:31 |
| Sicelo | mine is | 22:31 |
| freemangordon | mine is not | 22:32 |
| kerio | i still have two kinda bumps | 22:32 |
| Sicelo | :) | 22:32 |
| kerio | but they're small | 22:32 |
| kerio | at least, much smaller than the standard teeth | 22:32 |
| Sicelo | btw, today marks 1 year of ownership of my N900 | 22:32 |
| Sicelo | \m/ | 22:32 |
| Sicelo | my usb is still good. battery is now just about 1200mAh, and N900 is still my primary internet & phone device ;) | 22:34 |
| Sicelo | cssu-stable + kp5- | 22:34 |
| Sicelo | kp50 | 22:34 |
| qwazix_900 | http://wiki.maemo.org/BrowserBenchmarks | 22:35 |
| NIN101 | hmm, this N900 I have here also turned 1 year recently (24 june). So far, USB seems to be ok (unlike the first one which died after 6 months). But I also filed those barbs on the cable in the hope it increases the lifetime a bit. No moving around when it is charging etc. | 22:39 |
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| zeq | N9 stock browser is fast | 22:45 |
| kerio | any tips for dealing with technology and sand? | 22:46 |
| qwazix_900 | it is but it has a nasty bug | 22:46 |
| kerio | and most importantly, the mix of both | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | qwazix_900: nice, you can add n900 fennec16a1 6438ms @ stock frequency | 22:47 |
| qwazix_900 | when you delete a word with backspace it comes back from the grave after you've deleted the space before it and that goes into endless loop | 22:47 |
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| qwazix_900 | freemangordon: doing it asap | 22:47 |
| Sicelo | i might add, this baby has been flashed only once (the day it was bought). in the meantime, i had a couple of kernel upgrades and downgrades, loss of many /dev/ nodes (while playing with the bootmenu+uboot combo) .. for the last issue, i'm eternally grateful for RescueOS | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | zeq: why it is so slow compared to v9? | 22:48 |
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| zeq | AFAIK they changed the jit engine | 22:49 |
| zeq | s/jit/JIT/ | 22:50 |
| infobot | zeq meant: AFAIK they changed the JIT engine | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | aah | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | with a slower one? nice move :D | 22:50 |
| zeq | depends on the CPU target | 22:50 |
| kerio | omfg so smooth | 22:50 |
| kerio | i filed down the barbs on the cable | 22:51 |
| zeq | I just retested my laptop set at highest (stock) frequency | 22:51 |
| zeq | 634.7ms +/- 39.5% | 22:51 |
| zeq | (rather than ondemand) | 22:51 |
| peetah | freemangordon: not a slower one, but some c++ version of some piece of code used for arm are not as fast as ssx version of the same code used for x86 | 22:51 |
| zeq | freemangordon: are you testing the N900 with ondemand governor? | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | peetah: but it is supposed to be NEON optimized | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | zeq: yes | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | maybe I should lock the frequency? | 22:52 |
| peetah | freemangordon: yes but for x86 it is directly written in assembly | 22:52 |
| Sicelo | kerio: i think you lose nothing by filing them smooth (unless you want to hoist your N900 ;) | 22:52 |
| peetah | it' not just c++ compiler optimization | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | peetah: the same for arm | 22:52 |
| zeq | I think the published benchmarks are with locked frequency | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | aah, lemme try then | 22:52 |
| kerio | Sicelo: it's not completely smooth though | 22:53 |
| kerio | there's still a tiny bump | 22:53 |
| kerio | is it ok? | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | it is, otherwise you risk cable falling when you move the device | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | I am using mine more than 2 years that way | 22:54 |
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| kerio | so... let's say i have a n8's OTG usb adapter | 22:55 |
| kerio | how would i make it fit on the n900's port? | 22:55 |
| qwazix_900 | freemangordon: done | 22:56 |
| qwazix_900 | kerio: order one that fits (galaxy S2) | 22:56 |
| kerio | qwazix_900: failing that? | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | qwazix_900: thanks, I will edit it if there is a difference with locked frequency | 22:57 |
| qwazix_900 | I wouldn't mess with DIY plugs in the fragile N900 port | 22:57 |
| qwazix_900 | given that they're almost free | 22:57 |
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| kerio | qwazix_900: k | 22:58 |
| kerio | wait, how can the galaxy s2 have such an adapter? | 22:58 |
| kerio | isn't that against the specs? | 22:58 |
| freemangordon | qwazix_900: yes, there is, 6133 ms | 22:59 |
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| qwazix_900 | okay, shall I change it? | 23:00 |
| freemangordon | I will | 23:00 |
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| qwazix_900 | kerio: I think it is, they don't have an official otg logo | 23:00 |
| qwazix_900 | but the extra pin is there cause the normal cable with F-F adapter didn't work (not recognised) | 23:01 |
| freemangordon | ready | 23:01 |
| qwazix_900 | however you won't need it on the N900 | 23:02 |
| qwazix_900 | I mean the 5th cable in the port | 23:02 |
| qwazix_900 | lemme check if it actually works | 23:02 |
| qwazix_900 | I know it fits, but haven't run hen with it | 23:02 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: it's slower? | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | zeq: no, faster, by about 300 ms | 23:06 |
| zeq | I thought you had 5xxx? | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | was 6438ms | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | seems gcc 4.7 will be of benefit here | 23:07 |
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| freemangordon | unfortunately I am on a vacation from 10th to 16th | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | hmm, well, not unfortunately :D | 23:08 |
| kwtm | I installed the latest stable CSSU firmware. No orientation lock? I had previously installed CSSU and it had orientation lock. Is that because that was not a stable version? I should not limit myself to the stable version if I am to get the orientation lock features? | 23:16 |
| Sicelo | it's a separate install | 23:17 |
| qwazix_900 | hen is in devel? | 23:18 |
| zeq | freemangordon: going somewhere nice? | 23:21 |
| zeq | should have the compiler ready for when you return :) | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | yeah, kavarna rock fest. though no good bands this year :(. But still, sea, sand, beer, stuff like that :P | 23:22 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: but of course | 23:22 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: did your gstreamer compatibilty changes work? | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | not from the first try, i used the wrong function, g_object_connect instead of g_signal_connect, now re-compiling with correct one | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | BTW how we exit fullscreen? | 23:30 |
| zeq | I used fn-backspace I think | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | though I am not sure whether to do g_object_unref in callback for source object, zeq, any thoughts? | 23:31 |
| zeq | I'll take another look at the patch introducing the feature | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | zeq: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758338 | 23:34 |
| povbot_ | Bug 758338: was not found. | 23:34 |
| qwazix_900 | kerio: I can confirm it works with a $2 galaxy S2 hostmode cable | 23:35 |
| kerio | neat | 23:35 |
| kerio | well, i suppose that it doesn't violate usb specs if it's actually proper host mode | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | zeq: http://pastebin.com/qZJgJUYY | 23:35 |
| kerio | it sounds weird though, if it's the same port then it should be OTG | 23:35 |
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| zeq | serialisation of requests? | 23:38 |
| zeq | re. 758338 | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | zeq: i have sound :P | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | but mmedia is broken in nighly anywa, flash behaves in the same way | 23:40 |
| qwazix_900 | i think it violates in in the sense that hosts should be usb-a not usb-b but I havent read the spec | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | only a stuttering sound, the same for webm | 23:40 |
| zeq | :D | 23:41 |
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| freemangordon | going to commit and push | 23:41 |
| zeq | could well be the same bug | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | could be | 23:41 |
| qwazix_900 | otherwise it behaves according to spec: if it detects the extra pin it enables host | 23:42 |
| zeq | looks ok to me. | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | zeq: pushed | 23:46 |
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| freemangordon | zeq; could you pull the latest changes from m-c? lets hope mmedia is fixed. | 23:59 |
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