IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-07-04

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timelessanyone here touch nokia/maemo/meego/qt location apis?00:06
timelesscould someone please tell me what "inedi.ntcn" is in that file? :)00:08
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keriozsolt: wait, what00:12
keriowhy do you want to run dosbox on wine00:12
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RiDinfobot, what is Nokia?00:30
infoboti heard nokia is a cellphone company from Finland.00:30
RiDinfobot yes00:30
infoboti heard yes is the opposite of no00:30
RiDinfobot i know00:30
kerioinfobot: nokia is a pile of steaming crap00:30
infobotYou know?00:30
infobot...but nokia is already something else...00:30
kerioinfobot: no00:31
RiDinfobot, kerio is a robot00:31
infobotRiD: okay00:31
kerioi'm not a robot!00:31
RiDi love this00:31
kerioinfobot: kerio is not a robot00:31
infobot...but kerio is already something else...00:31
kerioinfobot: kerio is not a robot00:31
keriohrmpf, how do i overwrite a factoid00:31
RiDyou're doomed00:32
RiDinfobot no, kerio is not a robot00:32
infobotokay, RiD00:32
RiDinfobot, what is kerio?00:32
infobotit has been said that kerio is not a robot00:32
RiDinfobot, forget00:32
keriowell, at least that's true00:32
kerioinfobot: forget about kerio00:32
infobotkerio: i didn't have anything called 'about kerio' to forget00:32
kerioinfobot: forget kerio00:32
infoboti forgot kerio, kerio00:32
RiDwe just spammed this channel :D00:32
keriomeh, nobody was talking anyway00:33
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RiDat least we keep this busy with RELEVANT subjects00:33
RiDinfobot, what is a pineapple00:33
* infobot dances around with a pineapple on her head, singing o/' O pineapple, O pineapple, thy skin is very pokey o/`00:33
RiDi'm shocked00:33
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qwazix_N950timeless, that's probably just a typo00:51
qwazix_N950Probably they just meant "in"00:52
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qwazix_N950Anybody around? Bored to hell...01:03
qwazix_N950Infobot, are you alive?01:04
infobotThe dead cannot live01:04
qwazix_N950action is happy that there is at least some sign of life, even mechanical01:05
qwazix_N950Infobot, what is the answer to life, universe and everything?01:06
infobotqwazix_N950: what are you talking about?01:06
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qwazix_N950Infobot, tell me a random fact01:07
qwazix_N950Infobot, random01:07
* infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... stevegoma... oh nevermind01:07
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qwazix_N950Oh, somebody is actually alive. Howdy venemo01:17
RiDinfobot, who is qwazix_N95001:17
infobotRiD: what are you talking about?01:17
RiDinfobot, what is qwazix_N95001:17
infobotRiD: I think you lost me on that one01:17
RiDinfobot, qwazix_N950 is a robot01:18
infobotRiD: okay01:18
RiDinfobot, who is qwazix_N95001:18
infobotqwazix_n950 is probably a robot01:18
RiDyes! :D01:18
qwazix_N950Infobot, what am I?01:18
infobot*squeak!* get a way from me, you freak!01:18
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RiDinfobot, what is qwazix_N95001:18
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, qwazix_n950 is a robot01:18
RiDinfobot yes01:18
infobotit has been said that yes is the opposite of no01:18
RiDoh lol01:18
RiDinfobot is my little partner when this channel is alone01:19
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RiDinfobot, who is RiD?01:19
infobotI think you lost me on that one, RiD01:19
qwazix_N950Infobot, what is infobot?01:19
infobotqwazix_N950: what are you talking about?01:19
RiDinfobot, infobot is an idiot01:19
infobotokay, RiD01:19
RiDinfobot, who are you01:19
infobotRiD: what are you talking about?01:19
RiDinfobot, what is infobot01:19
infoboti guess infobot is an idiot01:19
qwazix_N950Infobot, what is low self esteem?01:19
infobotqwazix_N950: I think you lost me on that one01:20
RiDinfobot no, infobot is me01:20
infobotokay, RiD01:20
RiDinfobot, what is infobot01:20
infobotit has been said that infobot is me01:20
qwazix_N950Infobot, seen RiD?01:21
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infobotrid is currently on #maemo (2h 38m 3s). Has said a total of 29 messages. Is idling for 52s, last said: 'infobot, what is infobot'.01:21
RiDinfobot, what is wood01:21
infobothow much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?01:21
RiDinfobot, what is the answer to the universe01:21
infobotRiD: what are you talking about?01:21
RiDinfobot, what is the answer to the universe and all that?01:21
infobotRiD: what are you talking about?01:21
RiDinfobot, what is the answer to life the universe and everything01:22
infobotI think you lost me on that one, RiD01:22
RiDinfobot, is 4201:22
RiDinfobot, the answer to life the universe and everything is 4201:22
infobotRiD: that's too long01:22
qwazix_N950Infobot google the answer to the universe life and everything01:22
RiDinfobot, the answer to life the universe and everything is 401:22
infobotRiD: that's too long01:22
RiDinfobot, the answer to life the universe and everything is 4201:22
infobotthat's too long, RiD01:23
RiDhe's too dumb to store bigger messages01:23
qwazix_N950In fact he's too dumb to store big variable names01:23
qwazix_N950It doesn't seem to have problem with longer values01:24
RiDhe's an idiot01:24
* RiD goes to a corner and starts crying01:24
qwazix_N950Infobot, 42 is the answer to life, universe and everything01:24
infobot...but 42 is already something else...01:24
qwazix_N950infobot, what is 42?01:24
infoboti guess 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also,_the_universe,_and_everything01:24
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qwazix_N950Infobot, have a snack01:26
RiDidiot :(01:26
RiDinfobot, what is InvalidHandle01:27
infobotRiD: what are you talking about?01:27
RiDlol. infobot, what is infobot01:27
RiDinfobot, what is infobot01:27
infobotfrom memory, infobot is me01:27
qwazix_N950Infobot, tell infobot what is infobot01:28
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infobottalk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :)01:28
RiDhello DocScrutinizer01:28
qwazix_N950DocScrutinizer, we have a serious discussion here don't interrupt01:29
infobotbye, folks! I gonna power my nose01:31
infobotLeaving. (courtesy of docscrutinizer).01:31
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qwazix_N950Okay, message received...01:32
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!01:32
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Venemoqwazix_N950: I'm fine, thanks :)01:32
DocScrutinizerbtw, redefining factoids is considered rude. Esp when those factoids are obviously not yours and even more when the factoid is ~infobot01:34
Venemoanyway, good night guys01:34
DocScrutinizer~attack RiD01:34
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing RiD01:34
* RiD cries01:35
DocScrutinizer~rape qwazix_N95001:35
* infobot takes qwazix_N950 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams01:35
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* RiD accepts DocScrutinizer superiority01:35
qwazix_N950The infobot factoid was not defined, and RiD defined is as me, I don't see something wrong with that01:36
* RiD runs01:37
DocScrutinizerqwazix_N950: well, if that's the fact then yes, it's ok01:38
DocScrutinizerjust due to the fact *somebody* elsel_ abused the ~infobot factoid some days ago01:39
DocScrutinizerwhich earned him a bot ignore01:40
DocScrutinizer(well, he did a few more nasty bot abuses)01:40
DocScrutinizeryour definition in fact is welcome01:41
DocScrutinizer~locl infobot01:41
DocScrutinizer~lock infobot01:41
infobotDocScrutinizer: locking factoid infobot01:41
infobotwell, infobot is me01:42
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DocScrutinizer~infobot is also || The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot || apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker01:44
infoboti heard infobot is me01:45
DocScrutinizer~unlock infobot01:45
infobotunlocking factoid infobot, DocScrutinizer01:45
DocScrutinizer~infobot is also || The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot || apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker01:45
FIQ|n900maybe it was too long01:45
DocScrutinizer~infobot is also
DocScrutinizer~infobot is
DocScrutinizero.O .oO(???)01:46
FIQ|n900~infobot is at
infobotinfobot is probably me01:46
FIQ|n900infobot is at
RiDmaybe it's because you're using || ?01:46
qwazix_N950What happened?01:46
FIQ|n900try forget first01:47
FIQ|n900what do I know01:47
DocScrutinizer|| no good idea, but seems it's not caused by that01:47
FIQ|n900~forget infobot01:47
infobotFIQ|n900: i forgot infobot01:47
DocScrutinizer~factinfo infobot01:47
infobotDocScrutinizer: there's no such factoid as infobot01:47
FIQ|n900~infobot is at
DocScrutinizer~unforget infobot01:48
infobotDocScrutinizer: Successfully recovered 'infobot'.  Have fun now.01:48
infobotdocscrutinizer, i love abuse, feed me!, or whack, yo01:48
DocScrutinizerweird shit01:48
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infobotSince Mon Jul  2 21:26:02 2012, there have been 15 modifications, 206 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 79 commands.  I have been awake for 1d 1h 22m 43s this session, and currently reference 118627 factoids.  I'm using about 23716 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 300.42/9.9 child 0/001:48
DocScrutinizer~factinfo infobot01:48
infobotinfobot -- last modified at Mon Sep 13 00:12:22 2010 by cb11; it has been requested 34 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 44s ago.01:49
* infobot hauls FIQ up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles, courtesy of fiq|n90001:49
qwazix_N950Oops I think our little botabuse messed things up. Sorry for that.01:50
* DocScrutinizer hates mysql databases01:51
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DocScrutinizer~listkeys infobot01:51
infobotFactoid search of 'infobot' by key (15 of 32): #infobot api ;; #infobot xxx ;; #qi-hardware infobot ;; <infobot> search string ;; are you an infobot ;; arkaen's infobot entry ;; ibot, infobot ;; infobot ;; infobot avallen ;; infobot dhrazhak ;; infobot guide ;; infobot ipod ;; infobot lezia ;; infobot nickname ;; infobot no,.01:51
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RiDeh, sorry for the mess :o01:52
DocScrutinizerI guess mysql did a transaction rollback, or sth01:53
DocScrutinizer~literal infobot01:53
infobot"infobot" is "<reply>$who, i love abuse, feed me!, or whack, yo"01:53
DocScrutinizer~forget infobot01:53
infoboti forgot infobot, DocScrutinizer01:53
DocScrutinizer~infobot is me01:54
DocScrutinizerweird shit01:54
DocScrutinizer~ infobot is me01:54
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay01:54
FIQ|n900um, I think that was a bad idea01:54
infoboti guess nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications01:54
DocScrutinizerinfobot: no,  infobot is me, || The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot || apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker01:54
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay01:54
infoboti heard bonkers is insane01:54
DocScrutinizer~lock infobot01:54
infobotlocking factoid infobot, DocScrutinizer01:54
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infobothmm... infobot is apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker01:55
DocScrutinizerinfobot: no,  infobot is me, || The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker01:55
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer01:55
infobotinfobot is probably me,
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DocScrutinizerinfobot: no,  infobot is me, // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker01:56
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay01:56
infobotqwazix_n950 is, like, a robot01:56
infobotsomebody said infobot was me, // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker01:56
FIQ|n900~infobot no,01:56
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qwazix_N950The one with the pipes was better, methinks01:56
FIQ|n900factstats new01:57
DocScrutinizer~literal infobot no,01:57
infobot"infobot no," is "I love you too"01:57
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FIQ|n900~factstats new01:57
infobotnew factoids in the last 24hours (7): infobot ;; infobot no, ;; qwazix_n950 ;; cmd: tincan (.*?) ;; primary cell ;; bupbat ;; twatty.01:57
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DocScrutinizer~factinfo infobot no,01:57
infobotinfobot no, -- created by RiD <> 25m 2s ago.01:57
DocScrutinizer~forget infobot no,01:57
infoboti forgot infobot no,, DocScrutinizer01:57
DocScrutinizercould you please try to redefine ~infobot?01:58
DocScrutinizercould you please try to redefine ~infobot ?01:59
qwazix_N950Infobot, infobot is an irc robot01:59
infobotcannot alter locked factoids, qwazix_N95001:59
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FIQ|n900lets see if this works01:59
FIQ|n900~unlock infobot01:59
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FIQ|n900apparently not02:00
DocScrutinizeryou can't lock/unlock, except your own nick02:00
merlin1991boring :D02:00
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer: ok02:00
infobotmethinks docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko02:00
qwazix_N950Infobot, forget qwaxix_n95002:01
infobotqwazix_N950: i didn't have anything called 'qwaxix_n950' to forget02:01
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DocScrutinizerplus I'd hope you can also lock <nick>'s pager02:01
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FIQ|n900infobot: forget qwazix_N95002:01
infoboti forgot qwazix_n950, FIQ|n90002:01
FIQ|n900try tabbing more :p02:01
FIQ|n900(or ctrl+i if you use a terminal)02:02
DocScrutinizeror shift-space if you use xchat-n900 ;-D02:02
qwazix_N950No tab on the N950 (simpleirc)02:02
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qwazix_N950Remapped that to ctrl+right02:02
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer: I used irssi for a great deal of time on N90002:03
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FIQ|n900After starting to use xchat, I did ctrl+i all the time02:03
qwazix_N950Used to that combo from microb02:03
FIQ|n900Which was... a bit annoying02:03
DocScrutinizerI miss the tabs-tree there02:03
FIQ|n900as ctrl+i does weird things with windows02:03
FIQ|n900and may segfault xchat on n900 for some reason02:04
DocScrutinizer~ merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU02:04
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay02:04
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: you could lock your factoid so others can't mess with it02:04
RiDthanks FIQ|n90002:04
merlin1991I think you had a typo there :D02:04
merlin1991~ merlin199102:04
infobotit has been said that merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU02:04
FIQ|n900what did I do02:05
RiDi did that and now i dont know how to revert02:05
infobotfrom memory, merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU02:05
RiDctrl+i :p02:05
merlin1991I thought it does not work with space02:05
FIQ|n900try do it again02:05
RiDoh nice02:05
infoboti heard merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU02:05
RiDnot going to touch that anymore02:05
FIQ|n900will you try everything I tell about w/o asking first? :D02:05
RiDnot xterm related stuff :o02:05
FIQ|n900RiD: well, I understand why :) @ not using ctrl+i02:06
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FIQ|n900if I only could disable it somehow...02:06
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RiDon the conf file?02:06
FIQ|n900is keyboard shortcuts stored there?02:07
* FIQ|n900 looks02:07
RiDi guess?02:07
qwazix_N950Check the preferences, theres a keymap page02:07
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RiDqwazix_N950 there isn't02:07
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qwazix_N950Don't have it now in front of me but I remapped completion from tab to ctrl+right yesterday02:08
FIQ|n900qwazix_N950: no?02:08
DocScrutinizerthere's even a GUI for key shortcuts02:08
DocScrutinizeroops, qwazix_N950 already said that02:08
FIQ|n900not preferences02:08
FIQ|n900but in "advanced settings"02:09
* RiD feels like a dust particle in the wind02:09
FIQ|n900brilliant UI on N90002:09
DocScrutinizerdirectly editing the conffile is better02:09
qwazix_N950It almost always is, I wonder why settings pages don't always have a search box02:10
qwazix_N950Best of both worlds02:10
DocScrutinizera "edit" button ;-P02:10
DocScrutinizerwell, RST38h refuses to hack on xchat any further :-/02:11
qwazix_N950It's always easier for example to find a setting in about:config on ff than in edit>preferences02:12
FIQ|n900C-i isn't there02:12
FIQ|n900there's C-o, C-k, C-b02:13
DocScrutinizerthen define it02:13
FIQ|n900and various other things02:13
FIQ|n900but not C-i02:13
DocScrutinizermap it to null02:13
FIQ|n900literally "null"?02:13
FIQ|n900xchat wouldn't crash or anything?02:13
DocScrutinizersome do-nuttin function02:13
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DocScrutinizerbtw what happens on C-i?02:14
FIQ|n900window goes to desktop02:14
FIQ|n900instead of uh02:14
FIQ|n900well, not desktop02:14
* FIQ|n900 suck at describing02:15
FIQ|n900but doing it risk crashing xchat02:15
FIQ|n900for some reason02:15
* DocScrutinizer feels like testing02:15
FIQ|n900don't know why02:15
FIQ|n900try holding the buttons if you don't manage to trigger it02:16
DocScrutinizerI know xchat serfaults a lot on unusual keys02:16
RiDchannel separates to a new window dedicated to that channel only02:16
FIQ|n900happens occasionally, dunno why02:16
DocScrutinizere.g try unmapping vol+/- (F7/8 ?)02:16
FIQ|n900yes, exactly02:16
RiDthat's what happens on ctrl+i02:16
FIQ|n900"to desktop" I belive it's called normally02:16
FIQ|n900but that doesn't make much sense in maemo02:16
RiDnever had any segfault with xchat but i dont go and press all the keys02:16
FIQ|n900brb restart02:17
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DocScrutinizerwell, I once thought font+/- like in xterm was nice for xchat02:17
DocScrutinizeron vol+/-02:17
DocScrutinizerso I unmapped the keys02:17
infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee02:18
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FIQ|n900hm, well02:19
FIQ|n900mapping C-i to something bogus was a *bad* idea02:19
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FIQ|n900xchat complained and broke my conf file now :p02:19
DocScrutinizeruse mine! ;-D02:19
FIQ|n900and it didn't even solve my problem02:20
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DocScrutinizer~jrtools /../xchat02:20
FIQ|n900does it contain scary new shortcuts?02:21
FIQ|n900~google jrtools xchat02:21
DocScrutinizerNB xchat only writes back any changes done in preferences when you properly quit the app02:21
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infobothmm... jrtools is
FIQ|n900=g jrtools xchat02:21
FIQ|n900um, oops02:21
FIQ|n900I lag02:21
FIQ|n900[01:21:27] <DocScrutinizer> NB xchat only writes back any changes done in preferences when you properly quit the app02:22
FIQ|n900and pressing x button isn't "proper way"?02:22
DocScrutinizerit is02:22
FIQ|n900hm, 40402:22
FIQ|n900here we go02:23
FIQ|n900fixed it02:23
DocScrutinizer~jrxchat is
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer02:24
FIQ|n900does D1:... matter? because I got two rubbish characters there02:25
FIQ|n900(C-b and C-k)02:25
qwazix_N950G'night guys02:26
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FIQ|n900ah, it's just chr(2) and 302:27
* DocScrutinizer also hits the sack02:27
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infobotSecure password and account manager for Palm Pilots.. URL:
infobotHoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no?02:33
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FIQ|n900now I'm sad for real02:35
FIQ|n900C-i was impossible to override :(02:35
FIQ|n900placed something less annoying there (insert a T in the inputbox), didn't work02:36
FIQ|n900but this time it didn't complain on unknown settings, so it isn't that02:36
RiDdirectly change the conf file02:36
FIQ|n900i did02:38
FIQ|n900it just ignored C-i02:38
FIQ|n900but other things worked02:38
FIQ|n900like changing the C-b shortcut02:38
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FIQ|n900after quick discussion with #xchat - it's impossible with current source02:42
FIQ|n900of course that can be edited, but yeah02:43
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iluminator105where in audio files located in n900 folders08:12
iluminator105where is audio files located in n900 folders08:12
ShadowJK/home/user/MyDocs/.sounds ?08:16
ShadowJKor .sound08:16
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iluminator105ShadowJK, thanks08:27
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keriowhat's up with the hidden directories for that, anyway?09:16
keriowhat's wrong with "Sounds"?09:16
jacekowskilook at file manager09:23
jacekowskiit is sounds09:23
jacekowskion english locale09:23
jacekowskibut if you go to any other locale09:23
jacekowskimaemo file manager will make the name look like it's in your local lingo09:24
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keriojacekowski: os x does that09:32
keriobut the directories are still called in a sensible way09:33
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jacekowskiosx sucks09:47
keriolol why u mad tho09:47
kerioand really, it's doing the same thing maemo filebrowser does09:47
kerioexcept without hiding the actual directories09:47
luke-jrI agree with kerio FWIW09:49
luke-jrthere could at least be symlinks09:50
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kerioluke-jr: that's actually even worse09:51
keriohm, how does windows access those directories?09:51
keriothere are some "aliases" for os x09:51
luke-jrscrew Windows09:52
luke-jrthat's half the problem with Maemo09:52
luke-jrtrying to be Windows-friendly09:52
kerioi know :s09:52
keriofucking fat32 mydocs09:52
luke-jrbut to answer, Windows actually names your directories in your locale09:53
luke-jrand has registry keys that tell programs what they're called09:53
luke-jr(that's for the OS user dirs, not accessing Maemo's… not sure on the latter)09:53
keriono, i don't really care about its directories :)09:53
kerioos x has empty ".localized" files in the directories that have to be renamed09:54
kerioand then it has its own lookup table09:54
kerioby name09:54
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freemangordonzeq: there is a massive back out in fennec from yesterday, seems not only we were hit by the scrolling/performance problem. could you pull the latest code from mercurial and push it on github?11:34
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zeqfreemangordon: there's a mirror of mozilla-central on github btw.  I've rebased it on the current upstream.12:08
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freemangordonzeq: great. btw you may want to join #mobile, romaxa is there and there is an interesting discussion going on ;)12:15
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vi__I went to #mobile to read interestings discussions.12:50
vi__I was dissapointed.12:50
zeqfreemangordon: not everything for CSSU-thumb installs cleanly in the SDK.12:51
freemangordonzeq: for example?12:51
zeqI'll go through it all again and take proper notes :)12:51
freemangordononce you have the correct repos in place it should be ok12:52
zeqit was something to do with the flasher12:52
freemangordonvi__: #mobile in mozilla?12:52
zeqnot even relevent to the SDK12:52
zeqvi__: irc.mozilla.org12:52
freemangordonvi__: you're not interested to get fennec running on n900?12:53
zeq@60fps ;)12:53
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vi__freemangordon: Yes I am very interested.  I went to #mobile on freenode.13:03
vi__I was the only one there.13:03
vi__Forever alone.13:03
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psycho_oreosvi__, you meant ##mobile :)13:03
freemangordonvi__: irc.mozilla.org13:03
psycho_oreosoh wait13:04
vi__freemangordon: email yet?13:04
freemangordonvi__: no13:06
zeqfreemangordon: soo many mozilla bugs... looking to see if there's a suitable on for our fremantle patch13:07
freemangordonzeq: ok.13:07
freemangordonzeq: building the latest13:07
freemangordonand going off for lunch :)13:08
zeqI'm kinda hungry too now you mention it...13:08
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vi__freemangordon: how do I enable backing swap?  I tried insmod /path/to/ramzswap.ko backing_swap=/path/to/backingswap disksize=soem_disksize13:09
vi__but I have NFC ho to see if it has worked without stats from rzcontrol.13:09
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vi__also, how does it compress without the LZO module?13:11
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vi__ok.  There seems to be some useful discussion on the google code page:13:17
vi__although the lzo question still stands.13:17
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vi__ insmod /lib/modules/current/ramzswap.ko backing_swap=/dev/mmcbl13:47
vi__k0p3 memlimit_kb=6355613:47
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freemangordonvi__:lzo iz compiled in kernel14:23
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freemangordonzeq: latest m-c fennec works ok14:30
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zeqfreemangordon: hw accel?14:30
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freemangordonwithout. and it is FASTER than before, lemme check if HW accel works14:34
zeqfaster is good :)14:36
zeqhow's memory usage?14:37
freemangordonhmm, HW accel works too, despite those "couldn't create EGL image errors", and it is FAST14:38
freemangordoncannot assess memory usage :(14:38
zeqnice! :D14:38
freemangordonwell, fwnnwc uses 47.6 MB, TMO loaded14:39
freemangordonplugin-container uses 31.3MB14:39
freemangordonthat is according to conky14:39
zeqwhy so much for plugin-container? that's flash?14:39
freemangordonthere is no flash content on TMO, so I don't know. lemme check yotube14:40
freemangordoncrashed :D14:42
freemangordontrying without hw accel14:42
vi__freemangordon: ty14:43
freemangordonvi__: np14:44
freemangordonzeq: SF rendering seems still to be faster than HW, will have to wai romaxa to fix that14:45
infobotfreemangordon meant: zeq: SW rendering seems still to be faster than HW, will have to wai romaxa to fix that14:45
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povbot_Bug 770845: was not found.14:53
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zeqfreemangordon: ^14:53
freemangordonPlatform: x86_64 Linux14:53
zeqoops! :/14:54
zeqbetter :)14:54
freemangordonyeah, much better :)14:55
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zeqlinaro 4.7-2012.07 is expected on the 12th15:01
zeqfreemangordon: do you think it's worth trying to build a "proper" scratchbox toolchain from it, or just update the kernel headers and C lib from CSSU-thumb and build another "alien toolchain"?15:03
zeq(Definitely need to update the kernel headers!)15:03
freemangordonzeq: I am not the correct person to answer that :(. It seems you're much more experienced than me on that matter - take my "toolchain" as a proof :D.15:04
freemangordonBut anything that works should be ok15:05
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freemangordonvi__: toldya ;)15:06
vi__but why??15:06
vi__wtf did nokia do to the VM?15:06
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freemangordonzeq: well, flash is totally broken in latest :(.15:21
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zeqfreemangordon: did you look at what romaxa pointed us at?15:26
freemangordonzeq: which one?15:26
zeqfor the flash plugin15:27
freemangordonthat should be enabled15:27
zeqit probably uses a completely different codepath15:27
freemangordonand while it was slow before, now it is totally broken15:27
zeqfreemangordon: looking for what romaxa said...15:28
povbot_Bug 598868: was not found.15:29
zeq freemangordon: see mMaemoImageRendering in dom/plugins/ipc/15:30
zeq(romaxa said ^)15:30
freemangordonyeah, but what about it?15:32
keriohuh, how does maemo figure out what's the sim's number?15:32
zeqfreemangordon: looks like a MAEMO=6 needs changing15:32
zeqfreemangordon: it only enables qt stuff for HARM15:32
freemangordonzeq: naah15:32
freemangordonit is ok15:33
freemangordon#if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) || (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 6)15:33
freemangordonit isok15:33
zeqif defined(MOZ_WIDGET_QT) && (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 6)15:33
zeqat the top15:33
zeqre Qt includes15:33
ShadowJKvi__, backing swap of ramzswap seems to use very random access patterns for write requests, whereas the nokia modified default swapout tries to keep writes as sequential as possible. This is a bit different from mainline linux, which tries to put writes near last read OR write access.15:34
ShadowJKrandom write requests == slow on flash15:34
zeqfreemangordon: I guess you're right, it mostly seems to refer to keyboard modifiers15:35
freemangordonzeq: yes, but that is some key handling, on all other places it is #if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) || (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 6)15:35
freemangordonBTW sunspider scores even better, now it is 509515:36
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zeqN900 hw is pretty nice when running optimal code :)15:37
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Lava_Croftcant wait for nonsucking fennec15:37
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freemangordonyep. dang, my desktop scores 6 times faster. 4 phenom2 955 3.2G cores. it is pretty impressive result15:38
vi__ShadowJK: ty15:38
zeqyeah.. embarassing really15:38
zeqARM Cortex-A8 that much better clock for clock?15:39
ShadowJKmainline linux is optimized for hd, nokia mods optimized for flash, and ramzswap backing swap seems unoptimized ;)15:39
vi__ShadowJK: bah!15:39
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infobothmm... awesome is JoshBang15:40
freemangordonzeq: who knows.15:40
freemangordonbut values are those15:40
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freemangordonyou may try to run it too15:40
zeqI will :)15:41
zeqgoing to re-merge my gstreamer config patch too, see if that works15:41
freemangordonwhat i cannot understand is why it loads pages so slow.15:42
zeqI had to move the Maemo config block above the codecs in configure.in15:42
freemangordonzeq: pull it first15:42
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freemangordoni've commited the .patch15:42
zeqfreemangordon: I think something is timing out on page GET15:42
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, btw, signatures aren't displayed in default theme15:43
zeqneed to check what goes over the wire15:43
zeqit's fast once the page starts loading15:43
zeqfreemangordon: I need to walk my dog now... I'll be back later :)15:44
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freemangordonin the meantime: ACTA is doomed in EU15:57
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sheepbatdammit, jake lloyd16:03
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vi__wtf is faster N9?16:50
vi__Is it like the new speedpatch?16:50
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ZogG_laptopvi__: tweaks and transitions for n916:56
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RiDdont talk about "speedpatch" :(17:01
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kerioyo vi__17:13
keriogimme a prebuilt reaver-wps17:13
zeqfreemangordon: fennec build underway...17:14
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kerioDocScrutinizer et al.: what's the "correct" way of compiling stuff on the n900?17:21
vi__kerio: you what?17:22
keriovi__: nevermind, found one17:23
kerioa thing to bruteforce wps pins17:23
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vi__I know what it is.17:36
vi__1. Hello <fellow user>17:36
vi__2. Banal platitude.17:37
vi__3. <your request here>17:37
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freemangordonzeq: does not turn gps on. are you  aware of something specioal we should do to enable geolocation?17:51
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zeqfreemangordon: I would have thought it should work.18:07
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zeqAnybody here with an N9?18:07
vi__zeq #harmattan18:07
vi__zeq: #harmattan18:07
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zeqvi__: thx18:08
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zeqlots of the same faces over there :)18:10
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qwazix_900seems my previous messages never got posted18:16
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qwazix_900freemangordon: do you have your builds hosted somewhere? I'd love to do some testing.18:17
qwazix_900btw, using cssu-thumb for about a week and I haven't got any single problem or crash18:17
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qwazix_900zeq: have a N9 what can I do?18:18
zeqqwazix_900: if you could install fennec, and report back whether gps works on
qwazix_900just a minute18:21
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qwazix_900zeq: asks for location only after tapping on the dot above the little guy in the map18:24
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zeqfreemangordon: did you do that? ^18:24
qwazix_900above the zoom bar (desktop website)18:24
qwazix_900then position works as expected18:25
zeqqwazix_900: using gps?18:25
qwazix_900trying. I'm inside18:25
qwazix_900let me get on the balcony18:26
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vi__ShadowJK: but then how did backing swap work on the N8X0?18:26
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qwazix_900I enabled mapsgl to see what'll happen and now I can't press the dot. Other controls work18:29
qwazix_900got it, its pretty small and without a stylus...18:30
zeqqwazix_900: it's using gps though, right?18:32
zeqI'll test it if my fennec build ever completes :)18:32
qwazix_900Can't say. The icon in status bar has not appeared18:33
qwazix_900Im trying to guess from accuracy but handling is a pain18:33
zeqKozzi on #harmattan tested and seems to think it's working..?18:34
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zeqapparently had a couple of confirmations for sharing location18:34
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qwazix_900from accuracy it does NOT seem to be using gps18:36
qwazix_900gives me about 50 meters radius circle18:36
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zeqqwazix_900: any gps indicator?18:37
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zeqfreemangordon: did it attempt to get location at all?18:37
qwazix_900I opened nokia maps to force the gps on, but accuracy on google maps still the same. It does ask for location, I answered yes and gives me an approximation18:38
zeqthanks qwazix_90018:39
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qwazix_900btw MapsGL works but it's slow and now I can boil an egg on the N918:45
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zeqProbably no webgl hw acceleration18:46
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_freemangordonzeq: just clicked on that dot, lets see19:20
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_freemangordonyep, GPS is on :)19:20
_freemangordonwhat's MapsGL?19:21
zeqlibqtm works then :)19:21
zeqit's supposed to be 3d hw accelerated google maps19:22
_freemangordonyep, it geave me my correct location, even I am indoors, let me go outside to check the accuracy19:22
zeqlike a cut down web version of googleearth19:23
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ZogG_laptop_freemangordon: zeq you are too stuborn ants, working all the time i see you here19:23
_freemangordonhmm"your computer is running webgl slowly..."19:23
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zeqI saw a bug in moz bugzilla mentioning lack of hw accel on harm19:24
_freemangordonI hope to find a way to disable it afterwards :D19:24
zeqZogG_laptop: LOL19:24
_freemangordonI still faile to see why it loads the sites so slow19:25
ZogG_laptopbtw zeq _freemangordon you update the newest fennec? afaik new one for android has better UI19:25
zeqZogG_laptop: new one for Android has a native Android UI19:25
ZogG_laptopso in order to have one we need to reqrite the UI only?19:26
zeq_freemangordon: did you try running a packet sniffer?19:26
ZogG_laptopin similuar way damagedspine is doing for wazr19:26
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zeqZogG_laptop: microb is pretty much equivilent, but stuck with an old version of Gecko19:28
zeqnot much we can do with that unless Nokia release the source19:28
zeqso, yes a new UI would have to be written to make it like the Android version.19:29
qwazix_900"your computer is running webgl slowly..." also on N919:29
_freemangordonzeq: did you see romaxa's questions for native Qt UI?19:29
zeqno, what did he say?19:29
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freemangordonaah :P19:30
zeqis he writing one?19:30
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freemangordon[12:07] <romaxa> freemangordon:  not sure how much you interested in qt development UI, but I have qtmozembed project which basically does things similar to webkit2, startup equivalent to microb or normal qt application, scrolling zooming 60fps, similar to android native fennec, but using Qt embedding APIS19:30
freemangordon[12:08] <freemangordon> romaxa: having microb replaced with a modern browser is our ultimate goal ;)19:30
freemangordon[12:08] <freemangordon> not that microb is bad, its just gecko behind it getting old19:31
freemangordon[12:09] <freemangordon> plus I prefer Qt over GTK for new development19:31
freemangordon[12:09] <romaxa> freemangordon: yep, main problem with qtembedding APIs is that someone need to write Qt browser UI... like moz guys did with android native UI19:31
freemangordon[12:10] <freemangordon> yep, I saw your patches, any intention to upstream that?19:31
freemangordon[12:10] <romaxa> freemangordon: I was talking about qtmozembed which is using all latest tech from mozilla central, off main thread compositing et.c.19:31
freemangordon[12:10] <freemangordon> yes, I look at your wiki page where are the instruction for building for harm19:31
freemangordon[12:10] <romaxa> freemangordon: I tried to push it into upstream, but bsmedberg by some unclear reason against that19:31
freemangordon[12:11] <freemangordon> yeah, saw the bug :)19:31
freemangordon[12:11] <freemangordon> *I saw19:31
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freemangordonIt is not very clear what intensions romaxa has, but the fact that he set up my toolchain in his SB sounds promising19:33
zeqI wonder why the upstream resistance?19:33
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qwazix_900I'm interested in building the ui if you're looking for hands, that is if it's possible to do it in QML19:33
freemangordonyou ask? why upstream guys reject patches? comeon buddy :P19:33
zeqpolitics :)19:34
zeqqwazix_900: More hands are certainly welcome19:34
zeqfreemangordon: do you think QML would be fast enough?19:35
freemangordonbut romaxa deffinitely shows interest in helpng us with n900 port19:35
freemangordonzeq: I don't think we need anything but Qt for that19:35
freemangordonqwazix_900: ^^^19:35
qwazix_900you mean qtwidget?19:36
freemangordonQt in CSSU is hildonized to the point you only need to setup the correct object name19:36
freemangordonqwazix_900: yes19:36
freemangordonor QtGraphicsWidget more precisely19:36
qwazix_900I'll have to brush my skills on that19:36
freemangordonfoe egl HW acceleration19:36
zeqit's great we've encouraged romaxa to rejoin the N900 efforts :)19:37
zeqwasted on Harmattan ;)19:37
qwazix_900I just thought that qml would be portable to harmattan and nemo too19:37
dhbikerfreemangordon: where's your gravity gun :P19:38
qwazix_900(And I like it more)19:38
freemangordonqwazix_900: yeah, you have your point19:38
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freemangordonlets see, what theme QML apps use?19:38
zeqqwazix_900: qt is just a portable, considering the rest has to be compiled anyway19:38
zeqfreemangordon: afaik they're native too19:38
zeq(might be wrong????)19:39
freemangordonzeq: Nokia in their ethernal wisdom made pure Qt apps not looking very well on Harm AFAIK19:39
qwazix_900hildonizing qt-components is another good-looking project19:39
qwazix_900freemangordon: yep, that's the problem. We'd have to skin the whole UI by hand19:39
freemangordondhbiker: in my hand of course19:39
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freemangordonqwazix_900: and it does not make sense, as we will have enough problems even without that ;)19:40
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freemangordonhmm, on the other hand... right now fennec xul Qt uses pure QWidget19:41
qwazix_900and that's why all the mess with rotation19:41
zeqqwazix_900: we (freemangordon) finally got that working properly19:42
freemangordonzeq: Qt on harm is not aware of orientation changes. Smart , ain't?19:42
zeqfreemangordon: really? explains why we hit problems19:43
qwazix_900zeq: yeah, I noticed, congrats19:43
freemangordonso you either use MT or listen to the sensors19:43
zeqhow does that work with MT?19:43
freemangordonNFC, I never write an app for Harm19:44
zeqI remember seeing in the code som MT 180deg rotation thing19:44
* freemangordon feels hes English skills reduced by half as a result of his birthday night :D19:44
zeqit was good then? :)19:45
zeqfennec is finally built19:45
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freemangordonzeq: but of course, a rock bar with friends, JD and tabble football, what could be better19:45
zeqsounds good19:46
freemangordonhmm, i am going to try egl with the changes romaxa proposed19:47
zeqanyway, congrats on your birthday :)19:47
zeqfreemangordon: what changes?19:48
vi__freemangordon: shipit19:48
freemangordonvi__: what?19:48
ZogG_laptopzeq: why wasted on harmattan, it can be made for both in Qt i think =)19:49
freemangordonZogG_laptop: not really19:49
freemangordonfor harm it must use MTI19:49
qwazix_900on the ui front, qml is much faster to code, runs in simulator so no need for building each time you move something a pixel left/right, doesn't need scratchbox, and doesn't have all the c++ limitations. AFAIK we can load assets from maemo theme so it should look native. If it turns out to be too slow19:49
ZogG_laptopfreemangordon: because of hildon and MTF thing?19:49
qwazix_900we'll know early enough to move to Qt-widget19:49
keriooh hey, there's actually a gcc for the n900 now19:49
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ZogG_laptopfreemangordon: but i think it can still be done with less sweat than writting everything separetly19:50
keriowtf, why is gcc not installed as "gcc"?19:50
vi__ZogG_laptop: the git is public, go right ahead.19:51
qwazix_900by c++ limitations I mean having the widges parented correctly etc, not actual programming limitations19:51
ZogG_laptopvi__: after you sir19:51
vi__ZogG_laptop: o019:51
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vi__person1: I want you to do this thing my way!19:52
vi__person2: You are free to do it your way if you wish.19:52
ZogG_laptopvi__: i was discussing my point of view, i have noot enuf skills for doing anything useful, and just asked few questions. And i don't believe that — you can always fork or do it yourslef is always useful, that's all19:52
vi__person1: NO, U DO IT.19:52
vi__person2: eh?19:52
ZogG_laptopvi__: i didn't enforce or asked to do it for me19:53
ZogG_laptopvi__: afaik for now harmattan ui was rewritten or partly rewritten as understand for harmattan and maemo part is missing. I made a proposal and just said my opinion. no more no less. i think you got me wrong, pal =)19:54
qwazix_900Another crazy idea would be to go chromeless and write the ui in html/js19:55
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qwazix_900don't know how better that would be than xul though. I suspect xul's heaviness is due to all the multiplatform code legacy it has acquired19:56
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qwazix_900If that's the case we would see major improvement19:56
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zeqit's not that XUL can't be, or isn't fast.  It's just different.  It's pretty much another whole toolkit.20:03
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qwazix_900they say that camino is pretty faster than ff on mac (camino is native cacao+gecko)20:05
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qwazix_900microb faster than fennec20:05
qwazix_900native android ui faster by scales than fennec-xul on android20:06
qwazix_900seems to me that xul is the culprit here20:06
zeqqwazix_900: actually, once we get hw accel working properly in fennec, it should be faster than microb20:06
zeqat the moment, there isn't much it it20:06
zeqmicrob is slightly faster20:06
zeqalthough that depends heavily on what you're measuring20:07
zeqfor JS fennec blows microb away20:07
qwazix_900zeq: of course but yo have to take into consideration how much faster gecko is now vs 1.9x20:07
zeqfor just interactive response microb is slightly ahead20:07
qwazix_900ofc microb is preloaded so something for the microb scale there20:08
zeqand uses less memory20:09
zeqor at least, less additional memory20:09
zeqsince the backend is always loaded20:09
qwazix_900how hard would it be to try building chromeless and seeing what's the relative speed?20:10
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keriowhy is microb closed-source, btw?20:13
qwazix_900because it seems nokia closed down every maemo version more and more20:15
keriois it elop's fault?20:15
qwazix_900it was fully open back in the N8x0 days20:15
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GeneralAntilleskerio, it's a differentiation thing.20:16
qwazix_900It was to be opened, but never did. Could be his fault but I doubt he'll even know the word microb.20:18
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zeqhe probably did set policy though20:19
zeqotherwise, where did meltemi go?20:19
qwazix_900GeneralAntilles: It could be argued that hildon-desktop is a differentiation thing but that's open20:19
qwazix_900zeq: south20:19
qwazix_900meltemi is a north wind blowing late summer over the aegean sea20:20
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zeqperfectly named20:21
qwazix_900infobot, what is meltemi?20:22
infobotqwazix_900: what are you talking about?20:22
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qwazix_900infobot, meltemi is is a north wind blowing late summer over the aegean sea20:22
infobotqwazix_900: okay20:22
qwazix_900infobot no, meltemi is a north wind blowing late summer over the aegean sea20:24
infobotqwazix_900: okay20:24
qwazix_900infobot, what is meltemi?20:24
infobot[meltemi] a north wind blowing late summer over the aegean sea20:24
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GeneralAntillesqwazix_900, the widgets aren't open.20:25
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qwazix_900zeq: any idea if we could hack cursor mode into fennec? Saw any relevant code?20:26
qwazix_900maybe fennec has code upstreamed from microb,20:27
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zeqI didn't see anything, but you can select and copy text20:28
zeqby touch-hold20:28
qwazix_900yes but you cant use websites that need hover (and not click eg pulldown menus) or drag (eg drawing)20:29
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zeqqwazix_900: I do like that feature in microb20:29
zeqalthough, you could always use a mouse ;)20:30
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qwazix_900does a mouse behave like a mouse in fennec? or like a finger? never tried that20:30
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zeqI think my gf has a bt mouse, maybe I'll give it a go later.20:32
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qwazix_900I bet it works like a finger. Hover will work but not drag.20:33
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freemangordonqwazix_900: it works like finger for scrolling, otherwise it works like mouse. Not tested it much though20:37
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freemangordonok, thumb2-compiled busybox-power is in cssu-thumb repo, not tested it, just compiled the code iDont sent me20:46
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zeqwebm doesn't seem to be working20:51
zeqfreemangordon: although it has revealed something interesting20:53
zeqI selected fullscreen, an when I managed to exit, fennec was running with Hildon status bar, and reduced chrome.20:54
zeqboth portrait and landscape20:54
freemangordonzeq: any idea which .desktop to edit so fennec to start from applications?20:54
freemangordonvi__: let me correct that .desktop entry and I will upload it in cssu-thumb for you ;)20:54
zeqI'll have a look20:55
freemangordonzeq: something bad is happening with my inet, not sure I have all of your mesages20:55
freemangordon[20:51] <freemangordon> zeq: any idea which .desktop to edit so fennec to start from applications?20:55
freemangordon[20:52] <freemangordon> vi__: let me correct that .desktop entry and I will upload it in cssu-thumb for you ;)20:55
freemangordonzeq: where did you select fulscreen?20:55
zeqI got those20:55
freemangordonaah, ok20:55
zeqI was testing webm20:55
zeqvideo never started, just the spinner20:56
freemangordonhow to test that?20:56
zeqI held on the "video" and selected fullscreen20:56
zeqI googled for a webm test :)20:57
freemangordonnow it's better :D20:57
zeqtested in firefox on my laptop first20:57
zeqyou did the same?20:57
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zeqweird huh?20:58
zeqhow can we toggle that???20:58
freemangordonno, i meant telling me "how" instead of pasting the link20:58
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zeqI did supposedly compile it with gstreamer enabled though20:59
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zeqMy chrome is now like the Hamattan version without the close and dashboard buttons21:00
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freemangordonguys, am I allowed to put LD_LIBRARY_PATH in exec line in .desktop file?21:02
zeqdoesn't maemo use
freemangordonit uses, but qtm12 is not there21:03
zeqshouldn't it be? or not?21:03
zeqwhat is the policy?21:04
freemangordonzeq: NFC, don;t want to lose time on that now, just want it working21:05
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keriocan i disable the Ovi repository safely?21:06
zeqwell LD_LIBRARY_PATH works21:09
zeqdo we have a webm codec?21:09
freemangordonhmm, but I don't know which file to edit, seems .desktop file is generated in runtime21:10
freemangordonzeq: don't know21:10
freemangordonzeq: it could be that missing signal ;)21:11
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zeqfreemangordon: could be21:11
zeqthe video player runs, but the video never starts21:11
freemangordonooh, blind me, i looked in that directory 10 times, didn't see that file :D21:12
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keriomeh, HAM just found some updates that aren't updates21:14
keriosilly HAM21:14
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zeqfreemangordon: I think it must be the missing signal21:17
zeqwhat a pita21:18
zeqfreemangordon: what speed did you say you got for your desktop?21:19
freemangordonzeq: should not be, just find a way to workaround it with what we have21:19
freemangordonzeq: 820ms21:19
zeqwe could patch the support into our gstreamer21:19
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freemangordonbut today i tested google chrome, it did about 450 ms21:19
freemangordonzeq: not, don't :)21:20
freemangordonbetter patch fennec21:20
zeqI got 715.2ms with firefox on my laptop21:20
freemangordonthat will become unmaintainable21:20
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zeqthis is highly optimized Gentoo though :)21:20
freemangordonwell, this is wondoze xp here21:20
freemangordoncould be the reason21:21
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zeqcore2duo 2.4GHz21:21
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freemangordonhmm, it could be optimized for intel, not AMD ;)21:21
zeqyou don't want to see my CFLAGS/LDFLAGS ;)21:22
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freemangordonas phenom II should go circles around core221:22
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zeqgcc-4.7.1 with every go-faster switch turned on :)21:23
freemangordonzeq: I am compiling right now, could you grep for "source-setup"?21:23
freemangordonto see which file to modify21:24
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zeqdepend on >= 0.10.33 as that's when the playbin2 source-setup signal was21:24
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zeqyou think this would be better than patching in support maemo side?21:25
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freemangordonlemme try to workaround it21:26
zeqok, just just checking :)21:26
jean_bratno more maemo device from now on?21:27
freemangordonjean_brat: you are surprised?21:27
jean_bratyes kinda21:28
qwazix_900fennec 9a1 did 3207 on the N900 oc'ed to 1Ghz21:28
jean_bratwas hoping N950 official release21:28
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zeqqwazix_900: sunspider?21:28
freemangordonqwazix_900: 16a1 does 5000 OC to 80521:29
zeqI'm not going to test at 1Ghz21:29
zeqI like my N900 working ;)21:29
qwazix_900stock got to 514021:29
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zeqso we're slightly behind the old js jit21:30
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zeqbut this is with software only rendering atm21:30
zeqhw offload will give the CPU more time21:30
freemangordonzeq: there is no rendering in sunspider ;)21:31
zeqfreemangordon: but if the CPU is busy rendering...21:31
zeqfor some reason fennec never sleeps...21:32
zeqwe'll have to look into that at some point21:32
qwazix_900let's see how does the N921:32
zeqI'm going to see if I can get that fullscreen exit button working from the qt example code21:32
zeq(since I now know there is a non-fullscreen mode already there!)21:33
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qwazix_9005632 on the N9, 4328 on the N95021:47
freemangordonhmm, that's funny21:50
zeqdoesn't it use hardfloat?21:50
freemangordonyes, it uses21:50
zeqI expected it to be faster21:51
freemangordonBTW i think I workarounded gstreamer21:51
zeqshall I push the change?21:51
freemangordonlemme check it21:51
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freemangordonzeq: yes21:51
zeqok pushed21:53
zeqit just moves things around a little so it knows it's building for maemo5 before it tests for gstreamer21:53
freemangordonzeq: WTF? 1 files changed, 154 insertions(+), 150 deletions(-)21:54
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zeqlike I said, moves things around a little :)21:54
freemangordona little moves around?21:55
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qwazix_900samsung galaxy note 1539 !!!21:56
* zeq is afk for a bit21:56
zeqqwazix_900: ff?21:57
freemangordonqwazix_900: what CPU is that?21:57
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qwazix_9001.5 dual exynos21:57
freemangordonwell, seems reasonable then21:57
qwazix_900zeq: yep21:57
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qwazix_900after a reboot, N9 dropped insignificantly to 497322:02
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freemangordonok, lets check google maps with egl enabled22:02
keriois the ovi* stuff removable?22:06
keriowhat about mediaplayer?22:06
Lava_Croftcant you just stop removing packages22:06
keriono, i better keep that22:06
kerioLava_Croft: but... ovi is evil!22:06
kerioLava_Croft: and i'm keeping backups now22:07
Lava_Croftits not evil, its just badly made22:07
Lava_Croftwell, badly presented mostly22:07
kerioalso, having a store on an apt repo is silly22:07
kerioLava_Croft: ovi store, aka angry birds download server22:09
kerioand did anyone ever use any of the other stuff?22:09
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Lava_Croftwhats wrong with angry birds, apart from being a bit of a silly game?22:09
Lava_Croftwell, yeah, thats another point:)22:10
kerioangry birds is great22:10
keriowas angry birds space released for maemo?22:10
freemangordonwell, with egl enabled fennec crashen in a 1-2 minutes22:11
kerioooh, what's "usb console" in backupmenu?22:12
kerioftdi serial console?22:12
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_freemangordonWTF is with my inet?22:24
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keriowhen you guys say to file down the "teeth" of the microusb part of the cables22:31
keriodoes it have to be completely flat at the end?22:31
Sicelomine is22:31
freemangordonmine is not22:32
kerioi still have two kinda bumps22:32
keriobut they're small22:32
kerioat least, much smaller than the standard teeth22:32
Sicelobtw, today marks 1 year of ownership of my N90022:32
Sicelomy usb is still good. battery is now just about 1200mAh, and N900 is still my primary internet & phone device ;)22:34
Sicelocssu-stable + kp5-22:34
NIN101hmm, this N900 I have here also turned 1 year recently (24 june). So far, USB seems to be ok (unlike the first one which died after 6 months). But I also filed those barbs on the cable in the hope it increases the lifetime a bit. No moving around when it is charging etc.22:39
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zeqN9 stock browser is fast22:45
kerioany tips for dealing with technology and sand?22:46
qwazix_900it is but it has a nasty bug22:46
kerioand most importantly, the mix of both22:46
freemangordonqwazix_900: nice, you can add n900 fennec16a1 6438ms @ stock frequency22:47
qwazix_900when you delete a word with backspace it comes back from the grave after you've deleted the space before it and that goes into endless loop22:47
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qwazix_900freemangordon: doing it asap22:47
Siceloi might add, this baby has been flashed only once (the day it was bought). in the meantime, i had a couple of kernel upgrades and downgrades, loss of many /dev/ nodes (while playing with the bootmenu+uboot combo) .. for the last issue, i'm eternally grateful for RescueOS22:47
freemangordonzeq: why it is so slow compared to v9?22:48
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zeqAFAIK they changed the jit engine22:49
infobotzeq meant: AFAIK they changed the JIT engine22:50
freemangordonwith a slower one? nice move :D22:50
zeqdepends on the CPU target22:50
kerioomfg so smooth22:50
kerioi filed down the barbs on the cable22:51
zeqI just retested my laptop set at highest (stock) frequency22:51
zeq634.7ms +/- 39.5%22:51
zeq(rather than ondemand)22:51
peetahfreemangordon: not a slower one, but some c++ version of some piece of code used for arm are not as fast as ssx version of the same code used for x8622:51
zeqfreemangordon: are you testing the N900 with ondemand governor?22:51
freemangordonpeetah: but it is supposed to be NEON optimized22:52
freemangordonzeq: yes22:52
freemangordonmaybe I should lock the frequency?22:52
peetahfreemangordon: yes but for x86 it is directly written in assembly22:52
Sicelokerio: i think you lose nothing by filing them smooth (unless you want to hoist your N900 ;)22:52
peetahit' not just c++ compiler optimization22:52
freemangordonpeetah: the same for arm22:52
zeqI think the published benchmarks are with locked frequency22:52
freemangordonaah, lemme try then22:52
kerioSicelo: it's not completely smooth though22:53
keriothere's still a tiny bump22:53
keriois it ok?22:53
freemangordonit is, otherwise you risk cable falling when you move the device22:54
freemangordonI am using mine more than 2 years that way22:54
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kerioso... let's say i have a n8's OTG usb adapter22:55
keriohow would i make it fit on the n900's port?22:55
qwazix_900freemangordon: done22:56
qwazix_900kerio: order one that fits (galaxy S2)22:56
kerioqwazix_900: failing that?22:57
freemangordonqwazix_900: thanks, I will edit it if there is a difference with locked frequency22:57
qwazix_900I wouldn't mess with DIY plugs in the fragile N900 port22:57
qwazix_900given that they're almost free22:57
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kerioqwazix_900: k22:58
keriowait, how can the galaxy s2 have such an adapter?22:58
kerioisn't that against the specs?22:58
freemangordonqwazix_900: yes, there is, 6133 ms22:59
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qwazix_900okay, shall I change it?23:00
freemangordonI will23:00
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qwazix_900kerio: I think it is, they don't have an official otg logo23:00
qwazix_900but the extra pin is there cause the normal cable with F-F adapter didn't work (not recognised)23:01
qwazix_900however you won't need it on the N90023:02
qwazix_900I mean the 5th cable in the port23:02
qwazix_900lemme check if it actually works23:02
qwazix_900I know it fits, but haven't run hen with it23:02
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zeqfreemangordon: it's slower?23:06
freemangordonzeq: no, faster, by about 300 ms23:06
zeqI thought you had 5xxx?23:07
freemangordonwas 6438ms23:07
freemangordonseems gcc 4.7 will be of benefit here23:07
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freemangordonunfortunately I am on a vacation from 10th to 16th23:08
freemangordonhmm, well, not unfortunately :D23:08
kwtmI installed the latest stable CSSU firmware.  No orientation lock?  I had previously installed CSSU and it had orientation lock.  Is that because that was not a stable version?  I should not limit myself to the stable version if I am to get the orientation lock features?23:16
Siceloit's a separate install23:17
qwazix_900hen is in devel?23:18
zeqfreemangordon: going somewhere nice?23:21
zeqshould have the compiler ready for when you return :)23:21
freemangordonyeah, kavarna rock fest. though no good bands this year :(. But still, sea, sand, beer, stuff like that :P23:22
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freemangordonzeq: but of course23:22
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zeqfreemangordon: did your gstreamer compatibilty changes work?23:29
freemangordonnot from the first try, i used the wrong function, g_object_connect instead of g_signal_connect, now re-compiling with correct one23:30
freemangordonBTW how we exit fullscreen?23:30
zeqI used fn-backspace I think23:31
freemangordonthough I am not sure whether to do g_object_unref in callback for source object, zeq, any thoughts?23:31
zeqI'll take another look at the patch introducing the feature23:33
povbot_Bug 758338: was not found.23:34
qwazix_900kerio: I can confirm it works with a $2 galaxy S2 hostmode cable23:35
keriowell, i suppose that it doesn't violate usb specs if it's actually proper host mode23:35
kerioit sounds weird though, if it's the same port then it should be OTG23:35
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zeqserialisation of requests?23:38
zeqre. 75833823:39
freemangordonzeq: i have sound :P23:40
freemangordonbut mmedia is broken in nighly anywa, flash behaves in the same way23:40
qwazix_900i think it violates in in the sense that hosts should be usb-a not usb-b but I havent read the spec23:40
freemangordononly a stuttering sound, the same for webm23:40
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freemangordongoing to commit and push23:41
zeqcould well be the same bug23:41
freemangordoncould be23:41
qwazix_900otherwise it behaves according to spec: if it detects the extra pin it enables host23:42
zeqlooks ok to me.23:43
freemangordonzeq: pushed23:46
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freemangordonzeq; could you pull the latest changes from m-c? lets hope mmedia is fixed.23:59
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