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| DocScrutinizer | /lose 50 | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools | 00:28 |
| infobot | jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:28 |
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| RiD | what's up infobot | 01:52 |
| RiD | infobot, i'm talking to you | 01:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~ping | 01:53 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:53 |
| RiD | ~hello | 01:53 |
| infobot | Howdy Bub | 01:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~rape RiD | 01:53 |
| * infobot takes RiD behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 01:53 | |
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| RiD | what just happened | 01:53 |
| RiD | ~kill ZogG_laptop | 01:53 |
| * infobot shoots a excited fluxtachyon gun at ZogG_laptop | 01:53 | |
| RiD | oh nice | 01:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | you finally lost your virginity | 01:53 |
| * RiD cries | 01:53 | |
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| qwazix_900 | ~botsnack | 01:59 |
| infobot | aw, gee, qwazix_900 | 01:59 |
| qwazix_900 | ~where are you? | 02:00 |
| infobot | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W | 02:00 |
| qwazix_900 | ~kill everybody | 02:00 |
| * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized fluxtachyon gun at everybody | 02:00 | |
| qwazix_900 | ok, now that everybody is dead I can go to sleep... | 02:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | lol | 02:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | we need to make maemo quotes or something | 02:02 |
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| RiD | infobot, what is twat? | 02:39 |
| infobot | suck it hard! | 02:39 |
| RiD | what | 02:39 |
| RiD | infobot, what is twat? | 02:39 |
| infobot | suck it hard! | 02:39 |
| RiD | infobot, what is idiot? | 02:39 |
| infobot | [idiot] you | 02:39 |
| RiD | infobot, what is twatty? | 02:39 |
| infobot | I think you lost me on that one, RiD | 02:39 |
| RiD | Nice | 02:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 02:39 |
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| RiD | infobot no, a twatty is a different way of saying twat | 02:40 |
| infobot | RiD: okay | 02:40 |
| RiD | infobot, what is twatty? | 02:40 |
| infobot | well, twatty is a different way of saying twat | 02:40 |
| RiD | :D | 02:40 |
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| Raimu | o_O | 02:45 |
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| alex- | RiD: i'm here :| | 02:46 |
| RiD | infobot, how to flash my n900? | 02:46 |
| alex- | what do you want from me? | 02:46 |
| alex- | infobot: how to get rid of RiD ? | 02:46 |
| RiD | he's dead :O | 02:46 |
| alex- | you killed it! | 02:46 |
| RiD | infobot, what is N900? | 02:47 |
| infobot | i guess n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside | 02:47 |
| RiD | infobot no, N900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside and a beer | 02:47 |
| infobot | okay, RiD | 02:47 |
| RiD | infobot, what is N900? | 02:47 |
| infobot | n900 is probably a wooden box with stained cans inside and a beer | 02:47 |
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| RiD | get it, alehorst? | 02:47 |
| RiD | oops, wrong nick. alex- ? | 02:47 |
| alex- | alehorst: | 02:47 |
| alex- | lol | 02:47 |
| alex- | why do we need that RiD ? | 02:47 |
| RiD | well, PM | 02:48 |
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| RiD | Raimu don't laugh at me. laugh at alex-! | 02:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: ping | 03:58 |
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| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: pong | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | man, I have terrible latency | 04:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | =) | 04:57 |
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| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: i see u use power kernel of maemo for gentoo as base right? | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | for now | 04:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | i wonder for n950 should i take harmattan's basic one or should i use gentoo's | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | there is about zero chance of any normal Linux working on it | 05:03 |
| luke-jr | Linux proper has never worked on NITs | 05:03 |
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| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: | 05:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | NITs? | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | Nokia Internet Tablets | 05:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: btw interesting how many of things ou did to n900 would work on n9/50? | 05:22 |
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| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: anyway i'll disturb you a lot when n950 gets to me =) | 05:23 |
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| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: find me a N950 ;) | 09:23 |
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| Macer | nice | 10:28 |
| Macer | http://www.badcaps.net/store/product_info.php?cPath=1_6&products_id=121 | 10:28 |
| Macer | wow did they make that easy heh | 10:28 |
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| vi__ | javispedro laying the smack down on his own hack. | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 11:51 |
| kerio | is there any reason not to always use the bleeding edge drivers? | 11:53 |
| kerio | aren't they, like, better? | 11:53 |
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| kerio | the bleeding edge wifi drivers, i mean | 11:55 |
| kerio | also, i think i'm doing it wrong | 11:57 |
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| kerio | does extras-devel include extras-testing and extras? | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are pkgs in extras you don't find in extras-devel | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | few | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | however _usually_ extras-devel will have more recent versions than -testing (and this than extras), so you don't want to run huge updates with extras-* enabled | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | since the versions in extras-devel are NOT supposed stable | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | usual procedure: enable extras-devel, intsall the pkg you planned to, then disable extras-devel again | 12:02 |
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| kerio | hm | 12:05 |
| kerio | i might've already installed some stuff from -devel | 12:05 |
| kerio | i mean, upgraded | 12:05 |
| kerio | oh well | 12:05 |
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| ivgalvez | MohammadAG: ping | 12:09 |
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| kerio | hrmpf, why does fapman sometimes fail to start | 12:21 |
| vi__ | kerio: I only really use the drivers when I am uh...auditing. | 12:22 |
| vi__ | If you acidentally leave your NIC in monitor mode, bye bue battery. | 12:23 |
| kerio | vi__: yeah, but aren't the cool drivers cooler than the default? | 12:23 |
| freemangordon | yeah, by 2-3 degrees | 12:23 |
| kerio | freemangordon: i believe you | 12:24 |
| freemangordon | but it depends on the outside temp too | 12:24 |
| kerio | vi__: also, why can't cleven use the backported drivers, and has to use the ones in MyDocs? | 12:24 |
| kerio | oh no, nvm | 12:25 |
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| vi__ | kerio: becasue it is badly written. | 12:38 |
| vi__ | much like my spelling. | 12:38 |
| kerio | heh | 12:38 |
| kerio | although the latest version seems to require the backported drivers package | 12:38 |
| kerio | so there's that | 12:38 |
| vi__ | kerio: I do not use it. | 12:38 |
| vi__ | I prefer wifite. | 12:39 |
| vi__ | I accept that when it comes to wifi...auditing I am a script kiddie and cannot be bothered learning to use aircrack suite properly. | 12:39 |
| kerio | anyway, my question is actually different | 12:39 |
| vi__ | Therefore I prefer to use a completely autonymous tool. | 12:39 |
| kerio | aren't the backported drivers for wifi+bluetooth much better than the stock ones? | 12:40 |
| vi__ | What was your Q again? | 12:40 |
| kerio | regardless of... auditing | 12:40 |
| vi__ | You would hacve to ask the package maintainer. | 12:40 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: Are these backported drivers better? | 12:40 |
| vi__ | and no, I do not know what better means. A higher version number I think. | 12:41 |
| kerio | vi__: in theory, they add stuff like bluetooth cooperation | 12:42 |
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| freemangordon | vi__: but of course, they are cooler :P. NFC, you may want to as lxp, there was some table somewhere with comparison between stock/compat | 12:53 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:57 |
| lardman | I can't remember how to get to the package promotion page, could someone give me a clue please?:) | 12:57 |
| lardman | bbiab, meeting | 12:57 |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer, ping | 13:01 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: do you use them all the time? | 13:01 |
| kerio | how can i diagnose problems with mafw? | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | qwazix: pong (for a minute) | 13:02 |
| qwazix | Is it easy to change the internal battery of the N900? | 13:03 |
| qwazix | I mean the battery that keeps time when you remove the blj | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~bupbat | 13:03 |
| qwazix | thanks, | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 13:04 |
| qwazix | because the guys at Nokia Care ***** ***** | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | replace by a capacitor | 13:04 |
| qwazix | and I don't want to take it back again | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | soldering needed, low skill profile | 13:05 |
| qwazix | hmmm, not very good at this... | 13:05 |
| qwazix | guess I'll go and buy a better iron, and have some practice first | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | good plan :-D | 13:06 |
| kerio | no, seriously, what the hell is wrong with my mafw | 13:06 |
| kerio | it doesn't do shit | 13:06 |
| vi__ | qwazix: you would have to be a fecking ape to balls it up. | 13:06 |
| qwazix | thanks again, I'll search for the schematics, I hope I wont have to mess with the FPC | 13:06 |
| vi__ | kerio: wtf is wrong with my motorbike, it doesnt do shit. | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | you always have to mess with FPC | 13:06 |
| kerio | vi__: i have no idea how to diagnose the problem | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | afk, bbl | 13:07 |
| vi__ | ~FPC | 13:07 |
| vi__ | ~dict FPC | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | flat plastic cable | 13:07 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'FPC' (2): Floating Point Coprocessor ;; A translator from {Backus}'s {FP} to {C}. {(ftp://apple.com/comp.sources.Unix/Volume20)}.. | 13:07 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: how many plug/unplugs can you get from such a cable? | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | flex plastic connector | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | unsure, maybe 50 | 13:08 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: that is a grim thought. | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | have to run, cya | 13:09 |
| kerio | i tap on a song, and i get this: http://i.imgur.com/GaluA.png | 13:09 |
| vi__ | bb | 13:09 |
| qwazix | ~bupbat | 13:09 |
| vi__ | That is a problem with your media player, not necessarily mafw. | 13:10 |
| kerio | ok, fine | 13:10 |
| kerio | how do i diagnose what's the problem? | 13:10 |
| vi__ | kerio: did you perform a FULL COMPLETE re-flash when you got this n900? | 13:10 |
| kerio | yes | 13:10 |
| kerio | both vanilla and combined | 13:10 |
| vi__ | kerio: NFC. That is the beauty of the N900. Unlimited ways to mod, bodge, kludge and customise==unlimited ways to break things. | 13:11 |
| kerio | goddammit, this *is* a serious problem for me :s | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~bupbat | 13:13 |
| infobot | it has been said that bupbat is http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R | 13:13 |
| kerio | it can't even change the volume | 13:14 |
| vi__ | Do you know how hard it is to troubleshoot over IRC? I literally have *no* idea what you have installed/changed/moved/rooted/scripted/hacked/modded/bodged. | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~bupbat is also use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months | 13:14 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 13:14 |
| kerio | "Unable to execute operation" or something | 13:14 |
| kerio | :s | 13:14 |
| kerio | vi__: not much, in theory | 13:14 |
| vi__ | HAH | 13:14 |
| kerio | yeah, i know | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell qwazix about bupbat | 13:15 |
| kerio | hm, there's actually a phantom playlist, apparently | 13:15 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer, thanks, checking it out now | 13:16 |
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| qwazix | How much time can I expect from such capacitor to last. Enough to change sim card? | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | weeks | 13:22 |
| qwazix | And, does it come with the feet soldered on? Why can't it just fit in the place of the battery. | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | it fits | 13:23 |
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| * qwazix wonders how the hell the battery from my 1991 kid icarus game boy cartridge still works... | 13:24 | |
| Lava_Croft | kid icarus | 13:24 |
| Lava_Croft | god that one hell of an overrated game these days | 13:24 |
| qwazix | Lava_Croft, why? I liked it, and back in the day no other game had an evolving character. That only was enough | 13:25 |
| kerio | yay, i got it back working | 13:25 |
| qwazix | And persistent savegame... I was sick of level passwords | 13:25 |
| kerio | good old apt-get remove .*mafw.* | 13:25 |
| qwazix | I had started choplifter from the start at least 10 times cause of lost passwords | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | qwazix: primary cell, not a crappy rechargable | 13:26 |
| qwazix | aha | 13:27 |
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| qwazix | ~primary cell is a not recharcheable battery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_cell | 13:27 |
| infobot | okay, qwazix | 13:27 |
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| jacekowski | ~primary | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | ~primary cell | 13:33 |
| infobot | well, primary cell is a not recharcheable battery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_cell | 13:33 |
| kerio | what the FUCK | 13:37 |
| kerio | the fix doesn't survive a reboot | 13:37 |
| kerio | this is bullshit | 13:37 |
| vi__ | kerio: what media player are you using? | 13:39 |
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| kerio | the stock one | 13:40 |
| vi__ | install open media player. | 13:40 |
| vi__ | might work | 13:40 |
| vi__ | If not, rebuild tracker database. | 13:41 |
| vi__ | Maybe you have broken files? | 13:41 |
| vi__ | who knows. | 13:41 |
| vi__ | If that does not work... | 13:41 |
| vi__ | either do some real sleuthing, uninstalling, undoing everything you have already done | 13:41 |
| vi__ | or restore from your last backupmenu backup. | 13:42 |
| kerio | i don't have a backupmenu backup | 13:42 |
| vi__ | Please tell me you installed backupmenu and made a 'baseline' backup you could fall back to when you pooped on the fan. | 13:42 |
| kerio | vi__: my baseline backup is reflashing | 13:42 |
| vi__ | ...you do not have BM? | 13:42 |
| kerio | really, why bother with anything else | 13:42 |
| japh | vi__, no it just looked good in the menu! | 13:42 |
| vi__ | ... | 13:43 |
| kerio | vi__: i *literally* just bought this n900 | 13:43 |
| vi__ | kerio: Protip #1. Backup menu is king. | 13:43 |
| * japh checks it out | 13:43 | |
| vi__ | kerio: as with all tech, you flash it. You fiddle with it till it gets fucked. | 13:43 |
| vi__ | You flash it again, fiddle with it till it gets fucked. | 13:44 |
| japh | exactly | 13:44 |
| vi__ | So you flash it again and fiddle with it till it gets fucked. | 13:44 |
| vi__ | Now here is the funny part. | 13:44 |
| japh | because that's the whole point of grabbing it | 13:44 |
| japh | at least for me, ymmv | 13:44 |
| vi__ | The length of time between each reflash gets longer and longer. | 13:44 |
| vi__ | Starting initially at hours, increasing to days, then months. | 13:45 |
| vi__ | For me, I have not re-flashed for ~4 months now. | 13:45 |
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| vi__ | everything is nice. | 13:45 |
| vi__ | If I fuck anything up, I just restore the backup with backup menu. | 13:45 |
| vi__ | And I am EXACTLY at where I was on the last backup. | 13:46 |
| kerio | vi__: the thing is, i don't really know if mediaplayer *used* to work | 13:46 |
| vi__ | I like backupmenu SO MUCH, I donated to robbiethe1st TWICE. | 13:46 |
| vi__ | kerio: Then it sounds to me like you need a reflash. | 13:46 |
| vi__ | 1. Re-flash. | 13:47 |
| vi__ | 2. Install fapman | 13:47 |
| vi__ | 3. enable repos | 13:47 |
| Lava_Croft | backupmenu worked great for me after restoring my backup | 13:47 |
| Lava_Croft | had to flash anyway:D | 13:47 |
| vi__ | 4. Install backupmenu | 13:47 |
| Lava_Croft | i bet i failed hard on that part | 13:47 |
| vi__ | 5. make a backup. | 13:47 |
| vi__ | 6. Fiddle away knowing you won't really have to reflash again. | 13:47 |
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| kerio | is there someone who actually knows how mediaplayer works? | 13:53 |
| japh | mplayer works | 13:53 |
| kerio | japh: yeah | 13:54 |
| kerio | on the other hand, this is the fucking stock media player | 13:54 |
| Lava_Croft | use OMP | 13:54 |
| kerio | it just makes no sense | 13:54 |
| kerio | also, where the hell is dpkg-reconfigure? | 13:55 |
| kerio | this is seriously frustrating | 13:57 |
| kerio | is mafw actually needed? | 13:58 |
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| kerio | alright, removed mediaplayer | 14:04 |
| kerio | fuck that noise | 14:04 |
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| kerio | Lava_Croft: does OMP use mafw? | 14:06 |
| vi__ | lolwut | 14:08 |
| vi__ | mafw IS the mediaplayer. | 14:09 |
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| vi__ | 'media player' is just a nice gui for it. | 14:09 |
| vi__ | 'open media player' is an even nicer gui for it. | 14:09 |
| kerio | vi__: great | 14:09 |
| vi__ | There is nothing wrong with mafw. | 14:09 |
| chem|st | kerio: you fsckd up your device by unsinstalling shit I guess, now get back on your seat! | 14:09 |
| kerio | chem|st: no u | 14:09 |
| kerio | :c | 14:09 |
| vi__ | you have fucked something up. | 14:09 |
| vi__ | re-flash time. | 14:09 |
| kerio | OMP works | 14:10 |
| kerio | let's hope it works after a reboot | 14:10 |
| vi__ | kerio: then what is the problem? | 14:10 |
| vi__ | chem|st: :p | 14:10 |
| chem|st | kerio: reflash install cssu and the hell keep your fingers from the uninstall button | 14:10 |
| kerio | chem|st: k :c | 14:10 |
| vi__ | By all means uninstall shit, just make sure you know what it is you are uninstalling! | 14:10 |
| kerio | or maybe i'll use OMP | 14:10 |
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| vi__ | chem|st: I have an oil leak. | 14:11 |
| chem|st | you are like a fucked up brat who was told to NOT to do something and is complaining about a broken toy after doing exactly the oposite of what was told before | 14:11 |
| chem|st | vi__: me too... | 14:11 |
| chem|st | about 1L/500km | 14:12 |
| vi__ | ouch, that is bad. | 14:12 |
| chem|st | head gasket | 14:12 |
| vi__ | mine is not THAT bad. | 14:12 |
| vi__ | which bike? | 14:12 |
| chem|st | paso | 14:12 |
| kerio | chem|st: can i uninstall cherry at least? | 14:13 |
| chem|st | or the valve-seal | 14:13 |
| vi__ | this is where the xt600 wins. You could have the head off in about 4o minutes with nothing more than a screwdriver and a spoon. | 14:13 |
| vi__ | kerio: yes | 14:13 |
| chem|st | kerio: yes | 14:13 |
| japh | kerio, has there ever been a 'stock' media player worth not forgetting about?? | 14:13 |
| chem|st | ehrm maybe not | 14:13 |
| kerio | japh: itunes? | 14:13 |
| * kerio flees | 14:13 | |
| * japh fetches chainsaw | 14:13 | |
| vi__ | I picked up a spare engine. | 14:14 |
| vi__ | THe whole thing. | 14:14 |
| vi__ | For ~70 euro. | 14:15 |
| chem|st | kerio: on saturday I had 3 iphones on the table not behaving like expected... pulled my n900 and did what was asked for! | 14:15 |
| chem|st | not even facebook "I like" was possible otg | 14:15 |
| vi__ | ~otg | 14:15 |
| infobot | i guess otg is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go | 14:15 |
| chem|st | what do I need a $600 phone for gsm-calling only? | 14:16 |
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| vi__ | so your friends know you have $600 for spare! | 14:16 |
| vi__ | If someone were to offer me a road legal kdx200 for trade for the n950... | 14:17 |
| vi__ | I'd take it. | 14:17 |
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| Helloer | Estel_: hi | 14:29 |
| kerio | chem|st: alright, i have PR1.3 flashed now | 14:33 |
| kerio | i removed the -installers and the introduction applet | 14:33 |
| kerio | i won't remove anything else | 14:33 |
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| vi__ | kerio: INSTALL BACKUP MENU RIGHT NOW. | 14:53 |
| vi__ | THEN USE IT. | 14:53 |
| kerio | vi__: i'll do that after i install CSSU stable | 14:56 |
| kerio | (and before anything else, yes) | 14:56 |
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| skope | any ideas why my desktop gets slow after few days of uptime? when i unlock my phone and try to click a shortcut, it freezes and holds for a while. then it works fine | 15:00 |
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| skope | and i have n900. forgot to mention | 15:02 |
| freemangordon | swap fragmentation | 15:02 |
| freemangordon | ~ereswap | 15:03 |
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| freemangordon | ~swap | 15:03 |
| infobot | Allows one to easily change CD-ROM media with one command or click.. URL: http://www.flyn.org/ | 15:03 |
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| freemangordon | clever one :D | 15:03 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: any chance for a new KP and KPS anytime soon? | 15:04 |
| kerio | vi__: how do i install backupmenu? D: | 15:06 |
| kerio | it doesn't appear in HAM, and i can't do anything before installing it! | 15:06 |
| Pali | freemangordon, I will push source package of packet injection driver to extras-devel | 15:06 |
| freemangordon | ok | 15:07 |
| Pali | under name wl1251-maemo | 15:07 |
| skope | freemangordon: what? | 15:07 |
| Pali | and deb package wl1251-maemo-source | 15:07 |
| freemangordon | Pali: didn't get that, iirc we agree those modules to a part of kernel build, why is wl1251-maemo needed? | 15:08 |
| freemangordon | aaah, source and .deb | 15:09 |
| Pali | we do not need to include source code of that modules (500MB) into kernel-power package | 15:09 |
| freemangordon | :) | 15:09 |
| freemangordon | Pali: it is not 500 MB | 15:09 |
| Pali | dsc package wl1251-maemo will build deb package wl1251-maemo-source | 15:09 |
| freemangordon | but yes, there is no need | 15:09 |
| Pali | 485M wl1251-maemo-0.2-source.tar.gz | 15:09 |
| freemangordon | Pali: use my package from extras-devel | 15:10 |
| Pali | original lxp tarball | 15:10 |
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| freemangordon | wl1251-maemo-0.2-source.tar.gz contains git tree | 15:10 |
| freemangordon | :D | 15:10 |
| kerio | wtf, there's no backupmenu in extras | 15:10 |
| skope | but weird. i have 50% ram usage and it already swaps | 15:11 |
| freemangordon | Pali: do apt-get source linux-modules-backport and use the source from there | 15:11 |
| freemangordon | Pali: BTW you don't need a new package | 15:11 |
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| freemangordon | you already have the source in the repos, proceed in the same was as with kernel-source.orig | 15:11 |
| freemangordon | add a line downloading it in debian/rules get-orig-source rule. or near it | 15:13 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ | 15:13 |
| freemangordon | skope: check your swappiness | 15:14 |
| skope | freemangordon: cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness says 30 | 15:15 |
| freemangordon | well, NFC then, but you could try to set it to 0 | 15:15 |
| freemangordon | nto sure what the effect will be | 15:16 |
| freemangordon | *not | 15:16 |
| skope | i bet not so good | 15:16 |
| freemangordon | skope: what is the problem with having swap? | 15:16 |
| steve__ | skope: it's quite normal for things to get swapped out when they're not getting used. | 15:17 |
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| zeq | not only under memory pressure | 15:17 |
| skope | freemangordon: nothing, but usually system don't swap until ram is used | 15:17 |
| skope | zeq: really? | 15:17 |
| zeq | really. better to have more cache than memory used up with idle processes | 15:18 |
| skope | but it is weird why n900 doesn't respond after unlock. upper left corner menu button works tho | 15:18 |
| skope | but desktop doesn't | 15:18 |
| vi__ | skope: but that cache is disk cache. | 15:18 |
| vi__ | n900 uses flash memory | 15:19 |
| vi__ | which is mega fast reads. | 15:19 |
| zeq | vi__: it's not that quick | 15:19 |
| zeq | wish it was :) | 15:19 |
| vi__ | kerio: enable development repo, that is where all the cool shit is. | 15:19 |
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| skope | so anyone has no idea what is causing freezings? been googling for weeks and nothing useful came up | 15:21 |
| vi__ | skope: freemangordon told you. | 15:22 |
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| vi__ | You need to defrag your swap space. | 15:22 |
| vi__ | either: | 15:22 |
| vi__ | 1. Reboot the n900. | 15:22 |
| vi__ | 2. Swapoff/swapon | 15:22 |
| vi__ | 3. install ereswap package. | 15:22 |
| skope | vi__: thank you for clearing that up. i missed that entirely | 15:22 |
| vi__ | skope: np | 15:23 |
| skope | and thanks to freemangordon | 15:23 |
| vi__ | praise his might. | 15:23 |
| skope | i will | 15:23 |
| vi__ | oh lord cthulufreemangordon, look mercifully upon us. | 15:23 |
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| kerio | can i put a password for user? | 15:39 |
| kerio | and what's the official way to get root? | 15:39 |
| skope | passwd user | 15:39 |
| qwazix | kerio, rootsh | 15:41 |
| qwazix | and if you want to be able to use sudo, sudser | 15:41 |
| qwazix | (never edit /etc/sudoers) | 15:41 |
| kerio | will it correctly ask for user's password? | 15:42 |
| skope | when sshing into the device, yes | 15:43 |
| qwazix | no, unless you run sudser command | 15:43 |
| kerio | ok | 15:43 |
| qwazix | read the package description | 15:43 |
| qwazix | there is a way to force it to always ask for pwd | 15:43 |
| qwazix | (don't know if you need rootsh anyway or if sudser works by itself, I always install both) | 15:44 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: GTK fennec build is broken too, not only Qt, I can only hope it will be fixed | 15:57 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: something is screwed up in the painting/scrolling code, both Qt and GTK build behave in the same strange way when scrolling. | 16:00 |
| kerio | qwazix: for fuck's sake, sudser broke my sudoers | 16:01 |
| qwazix | kerio, !! | 16:02 |
| qwazix | I've been using sudser since ages, | 16:02 |
| qwazix | though I never did try to force it to ask for password | 16:03 |
| kerio | "grep: /etc/shells: No such file or directory" "Password changed." ">>>sudoers file: syntax error, line 28 <<<" "/etc/sudoers.d/everybody.sudoers changes break sudoers" | 16:03 |
| qwazix | I supposed it should work as it is in extras proper | 16:03 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I've noticed it too. I'm going to try to track down what broke it when I have some time. | 16:03 |
| qwazix | Sorry for the fuckup, want me to post my sudoers file? | 16:04 |
| zeq | It took me a couple of full builds to figure out why rotation broke again for me (missing SLOT orientationChanged) | 16:04 |
| kerio | qwazix: well, it doesn't work | 16:04 |
| kerio | unless this crap is intended behavior | 16:05 |
| freemangordon | zeq: isn't it better to prepare what we have so far and to try to push it upstream first? | 16:05 |
| qwazix | kerio, doubt it... wait i'll post my sudoers file | 16:05 |
| zeq | yes, may as well | 16:05 |
| zeq | need to clean up the commits | 16:05 |
| freemangordon | once we have an upstreamed code, I think it will be a little bit easier to demand things :D | 16:06 |
| zeq | :D | 16:06 |
| zeq | like working EGL hw accel ;) | 16:06 |
| kerio | qwazix: my /etc/sudoers.d/everybody.sudoers had "user ALL=(ALL) PASSWD:" in one line | 16:06 |
| kerio | i changed that to "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" | 16:06 |
| kerio | and ran update-sudoers | 16:06 |
| kerio | now it works | 16:06 |
| freemangordon | zeq: if you wish I can do it too, but TBH I still think it is beter you to do it. Me and my diplomacy :D:D:D | 16:06 |
| kerio | as intended, i mean | 16:06 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I'll try to get it done today, can't promise though. | 16:07 |
| qwazix | mine has user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL | 16:07 |
| kerio | yeah well, i want it passworded :) | 16:07 |
| freemangordon | zeq: on the other hand if you lack time I will do the patch and will send it to you, ok? | 16:07 |
| qwazix | with sudser installed as-is (no extra configuration or running sudser) | 16:07 |
| HRH_H_Crab | anyone here using mgutenberg? | 16:07 |
| zeq | freemangordon: sure :) | 16:07 |
| kerio | hm, closing and reopening the terminal doesn't reset the password asking | 16:08 |
| kerio | oh well | 16:08 |
| freemangordon | I think a monolite patch should be ok, or it is better to split it? | 16:08 |
| freemangordon | zeq:^^^ | 16:08 |
| qwazix | you could file a bug to sudser bugtracker (that is if the maintainer is not MIA) | 16:08 |
| freemangordon | s/it is/is it/ | 16:08 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I think probably, yes. keep functional changes separate | 16:09 |
| freemangordon | you mean volume control? | 16:09 |
| zeq | yeah | 16:09 |
| kerio | ok, next item in the list: functional-ish unix | 16:09 |
| kerio | wat do? | 16:09 |
| zeq | it's not realated to fixing the rotation in any way | 16:09 |
| kerio | install coreutils and teach myself to put "g" before every command name? | 16:09 |
| freemangordon | ok. though I think we should not try to upstream that | 16:10 |
| zeq | the rotation fix? | 16:10 |
| zeq | or the zoom? | 16:10 |
| freemangordon | the zoom | 16:10 |
| zeq | probably should add an option like in microb | 16:10 |
| freemangordon | we can keep in in /debian/patches | 16:11 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I did try to tack down text reflow | 16:11 |
| zeq | s/tack/track/ | 16:11 |
| infobot | zeq meant: freemangordon: I did try to track down text reflow | 16:11 |
| freemangordon | me too | 16:11 |
| freemangordon | it is a no go AIUI | 16:11 |
| zeq | I did find something, but didn't experiment with it | 16:11 |
| freemangordon | really? | 16:11 |
| zeq | I'll try to find it again and point it out | 16:12 |
| freemangordon | as what i saw is a fixed font size used in net_sure_the_name.js | 16:12 |
| freemangordon | *not_sure | 16:12 |
| zeq | I'll have a look again when I have a bit more time... | 16:13 |
| freemangordon | ok | 16:13 |
| freemangordon | so, I will try to prepare a patch for all changes but zoom functionality | 16:13 |
| zeq | okay | 16:13 |
| zeq | freemangordon: once done, do you think bugzilla bug, plus pointing it out to romaxa et al at #mobile would be the right way? | 16:15 |
| freemangordon | romaxa said to open a bug and to attach the patch | 16:15 |
| vi__ | sudoers is broken. | 16:15 |
| zeq | yeah. that's what I thought | 16:15 |
| vi__ | DO NOT EDIT IT. | 16:16 |
| vi__ | cat /proc/swaps | 16:16 |
| vi__ | oops, wrong xterm | 16:16 |
| freemangordon | zeq: BTW git diff commitid1..commitid2 should do the job very easily | 16:16 |
| zeq | freemangordon: wonders of git :) | 16:17 |
| zeq | freemangordon: anyway I've g2g, will you email it to me? | 16:17 |
| freemangordon | may I have your mail again, i've lost it | 16:18 |
| freemangordon | zeq: ^^^ | 16:18 |
| zeq | steve<at>snewbury<dot>org<dot>uk | 16:19 |
| freemangordon | 10x | 16:19 |
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| qwazix | zeq, freemangordon, I think that reflow is intentionally like that. In most browsers except opera, double-tapping triggers reflowing while arbitrary zoom doesn't | 16:31 |
| qwazix | I don't know if that is UI design decision or performance limitation (constant reflowing is heavy) | 16:32 |
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| freemangordon | qwazix: yeah, but it worths try to fix it. Anyway it is not a top priority | 16:40 |
| qwazix | freemangordon, agreed | 16:40 |
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| vi__ | freemangordon: did you get your email yet? | 16:41 |
| freemangordon | vi__: no | 16:41 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: lame | 16:41 |
| freemangordon | do you? | 16:41 |
| vi__ | no | 16:41 |
| freemangordon | hmm, maybe you should check with travel agencies for a ticket to papua (whatever the place was) :D | 16:42 |
| vi__ | papua new guinea | 16:42 |
| vi__ | no | 16:42 |
| vi__ | they have cannibals. | 16:42 |
| freemangordon | aah, yes , papua new guinea | 16:42 |
| freemangordon | vi__, no , it is just a rumor | 16:42 |
| Pali | freemangordon, seems that kernel-power-settings problem with 'can't shift that many' is already fixed in last version | 16:43 |
| Pali | I cannot reproduce that problem with old schemes and last kernel-power-settings | 16:43 |
| kwtm | What is in /home/user/MyDocs/cities/ on my N900? Is this a built-in map for the GPS that came with the N900, or something? | 16:43 |
| Pali | kwtm, downloaded maps for Nokia Maps | 16:43 |
| vi__ | kwtm: it is where nokia maps tiles get stored. | 16:43 |
| Pali | cache for Nokia maps | 16:44 |
| kwtm | Pali: Oh, so if I've never used Nokia maps then it would be empty ... ok | 16:44 |
| Pali | kwtm, Some eMMC images has integrated some Nokia Maps | 16:44 |
| freemangordon | vi__: wasn't that the place a famous english captain fas killed/eaten? | 16:44 |
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| Pali | of cource that can be installed by some windows app (nokia map loader??) | 16:44 |
| Pali | kwtm, if you do not use nokia maps, you can delete it | 16:45 |
| kwtm | Pali: Just trying to see what to skip for my rsync backup script | 16:45 |
| Pali | maps are downloadable from internet/nokia, so skip it in rsync | 16:46 |
| kwtm | I find I can't use a date as a cut-off because when a N900 is reflashed, the built-in files on a pristine N900 have a very recent file date/time. | 16:46 |
| freemangordon | Pali: if you have a custom kernel config according to the old scheme might trigger something | 16:46 |
| Pali | freemangordon, I used old scheme with last kernel-config and it show only: warning: 700000 not supported | 16:47 |
| Pali | and warning: 750000 not supported | 16:47 |
| Pali | but no shift error | 16:47 |
| freemangordon | err, and what is the reported bug? | 16:47 |
| Pali | show error: can't shift that many | 16:48 |
| freemangordon | aah, do you have 0 athe the begining of the supported frequencies? | 16:48 |
| Pali | in script yes | 16:48 |
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| Pali | it is your patch | 16:48 |
| freemangordon | I mean in /etc/default/kernel-power | 16:48 |
| Pali | /etc/default/kernel-power -> /home/user/.kernel/default | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | wherever it is | 16:49 |
| Pali | and yes first is: FREQS="0:25,90 ..." | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | I need to recall what my change was, as it was intended to fix exactly "can't shift that many" error | 16:50 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: are you sure those who reported have latest KPS? | 16:50 |
| Pali | maybe no | 16:51 |
| Pali | problem was in older kernel-power-settings | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | aah, yes | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | there was a problem | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | And I think i have fixed it | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | or not? | 16:52 |
| Pali | I cannot reproduce bug | 16:52 |
| Pali | so it should be fixed | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | Pali: could you somehow workaround warning: 700000 not supported and warning: 750000 not supported | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | i.e. assume 720 for both frequencies | 16:53 |
| freemangordon | ore replace with 720 and overwrite the profile with some"converted to new scheme" warning | 16:54 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: or even better, show a maemo notification banner "Your profile has been converted, check your frequency/voltage table" | 16:57 |
| Pali | freemangordon, I will add code which convert 700000 and 750000 to 720000 | 16:58 |
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| freemangordon | great. Just keep in mind that if you have both, you should remove 700 and replace 750 with 720. because it is better to use the voltage for 750 | 16:59 |
| Pali | freemangordon, ok 700 will be ignored and 750 will be changed to 720 | 17:02 |
| freemangordon | great. it is up to you what voltage to use if upper limit is 700 :P | 17:02 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer! help! people are talking about overclocking! | 17:37 |
| Raimu | Haw. | 17:39 |
| Raimu | ~oc | 17:39 |
| infobot | rumour has it, oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s | 17:39 |
| vi__ | kerio: Don't be a pussy. Overclock ur fone. | 17:42 |
| kerio | vi__: no u | 17:42 |
| Macer | heh | 17:44 |
| Macer | overclock it to 3GHz | 17:44 |
| Macer | keeps it reals | 17:45 |
| kerio | heh, that would surely shut the dickheads with a galaxys3 up | 17:47 |
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| vi__ | You are right, explosions always shut people up. | 17:48 |
| kerio | there's not enough energy to cause an explosion like that! :( | 17:48 |
| vi__ | just pipe IRC to espeak, that will shut them up. | 17:48 |
| kerio | the fuck, cleven sometimes just doesn't work | 17:51 |
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| gremlin[it] | hi all | 18:13 |
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| gremlin[it] | I'm lookign around to resolve an issue, i would delete messages (sms and im) older than a certain number of days, but i wasn't able to find nothing to do this ... can anyone help me ? | 18:15 |
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| kerio | is supl.google.com the server to use, for agps? | 18:27 |
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| kerio | wtf, why does os x show me two volumes when i mount the n900 in ass rage mode? | 18:30 |
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| RiD | what are the size of them? | 18:30 |
| kerio | "Nokia N900" is 29GB, "Untitled" is 16GB | 18:32 |
| kerio | Untitled is mostly empty | 18:32 |
| kerio | and houses DCIM | 18:32 |
| jacekowski | well, N900 is My Docs | 18:32 |
| jacekowski | Untitled is memory card | 18:33 |
| kerio | ...i don't have a µsd | 18:33 |
| kerio | wait | 18:33 |
| Raimu | The ass rage mode. | 18:33 |
| kerio | what the fuck, i DO have a µsd | 18:33 |
| jacekowski | kerio: is that your phone? | 18:33 |
| Raimu | :D | 18:33 |
| Raimu | The plot thickens. | 18:33 |
| kerio | meh, class 2 sandisk | 18:33 |
| kerio | i ain't even mad | 18:34 |
| jacekowski | ugh | 18:34 |
| kerio | jacekowski: just bought it used | 18:34 |
| kerio | the µsd is apparently empty | 18:34 |
| jacekowski | try recovery software on it | 18:34 |
| kerio | where "used" apparently means "barely touched" | 18:34 |
| kerio | jacekowski: nah, that would be a dick move | 18:34 |
| kerio | the seller was really helpful | 18:34 |
| jacekowski | i've got class 10 SD for my camera | 18:34 |
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| kerio | i suppose i can use it to store backups and stuff like that | 18:35 |
| kerio | cool | 18:35 |
| jacekowski | backups in same place are not the best thing | 18:36 |
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| kwtm | where I can get the "less" command? what package do I install? I already have coreutils-gnu installed. | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | less | 18:42 |
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| merlin1991 | or the all hated busybox-power :D | 18:52 |
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| Raimu | Class 2 Sandisk isn't bad. At least legitimate Sandisk µSDs tend to outperform. | 19:14 |
| Raimu | And the stock µSDs that came with Nokia phones were often much better than random internet-bought ones of any class rating. | 19:15 |
| Raimu | Higher class numbers are nice for long sustained writes and not much else | 19:16 |
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| kerio | did someone port osu! to maemo? | 19:24 |
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| kerio | oh, found a bug in cleven, how do i report it? | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | zeq: I sent the patch on your mail | 19:30 |
| kerio | apparently it expects to be able to sudo $foo without it asking for a password | 19:30 |
| M4rtinK2 | kerio: there is a Cleven thread on talk.maemo.org | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | kerio: plus this is not a bug in cleven | 19:31 |
| kerio | M4rtinK2: yeah but it would require me to go on TMO | 19:31 |
| kerio | freemangordon: oh really | 19:31 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: at least it could *tell* me | 19:31 |
| kerio | or, better, ask for the password | 19:31 |
| kerio | or, slightly worse, add its own commands to a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ | 19:31 |
| kerio | like most other applications like that do | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | yes, really, maemo5 was never intened to have password for sudo AFAIK | 19:32 |
| kerio | [citation needed] | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | don't have time now :) | 19:32 |
| kerio | and actually | 19:32 |
| kerio | you don't even *have* sudo access out of the box | 19:32 |
| kerio | you have to install a package and/or enable rd mode | 19:32 |
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| kerio | vi__: btw, HOLY SHIT BACKUPMENU IS AWESOME | 19:43 |
| kerio | why didn't you tell me before? | 19:43 |
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| kerio | will stuff break if i chsh for user? | 19:55 |
| kerio | also, is there a way to make HAM not check for updates by itself? | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | see wiki/customization | 19:57 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: no Customisation or Customization | 19:58 |
| kerio | on wiki.maemo.org | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 19:58 |
| kerio | oh, Customizing Maemo | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | customizing your maemo | 19:58 |
| Pavel | Sigh... | 19:59 |
| Pavel | I gave in and bought an Android phone after using an N900 for 2 1/2 years. It feels sad, and I already miss the nice integration of contacts and IM in the N900, but my N900's hardware was failing in many ways, and not having a compass was annoying. | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: freemangordon: cleven SHALL add all 'sudo $foo' it needs to etc/sudoers.d! | 20:02 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: indeed | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: for proper password on sudo gainroot see | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~jrtools | 20:02 |
| infobot | rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 20:02 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: nah, i solved that one | 20:02 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: I was using cleven and it has nevers asked for a password, so I assume it has all the needed stuff in /etc/sudoers.d | 20:04 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: my gainroot checks for RD mode apparently | 20:05 |
| kerio | i don't know if that's new in pr 1.3 | 20:05 |
| freemangordon | kerio: did you mess up with your /etc/sudoers.d ? | 20:05 |
| freemangordon | kerio: you need rootsh | 20:05 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK | 20:06 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: it doesn't have ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL | 20:06 |
| kerio | because that's dumb, yo | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | sure. anyway, today is my brthday, so I'd rather spend the evening in a bar, not in front of my PC | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | night | 20:07 |
| kerio | :( | 20:07 |
| kerio | happy birthday! | 20:07 |
| kerio | we love you! | 20:07 |
| kerio | add the correct commands to a file in /etc/sudoers.d! | 20:07 |
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| Pavel | Also, I am yet to find an Android podcast client as good as gPodder. | 20:09 |
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| kerio | asjkasjgkajsskgas why does apt not accept "y" as "yes" | 20:12 |
| kerio | fucking localizations | 20:12 |
| kerio | the prompt is not translated, but the accepted options are | 20:13 |
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| kerio | ~jrtools | 20:22 |
| infobot | i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 20:22 |
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| Venemo | ~ping | 20:45 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:45 |
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| vi_ | freemangordon: how to enable backingswap? and how do I know if it is enabled? | 21:10 |
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| vi_ | also, how come there is no lzo module? | 21:15 |
| vi_ | I thought it was needed for the compression? | 21:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~seen kerio | 21:42 |
| infobot | kerio <~kerio@unaffiliated/kerio> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 19m 35s ago, saying: '~jrtools'. | 21:42 |
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| Lava_Croft | oh yeah, speaking of that | 21:47 |
| Lava_Croft | ~jrtools | 21:47 |
| infobot | it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 21:47 |
| Lava_Croft | thank you | 21:47 |
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| vi_ | sooo | 21:58 |
| vi_ | how to set backing swap? | 21:58 |
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| kerio | ~jrtools | 23:04 |
| infobot | i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 23:04 |
| kerio | hrmpf, i can't remove "CSSU Features" from the powerbutton menu | 23:05 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio that's the cssu features package | 23:08 |
| kerio | yeah but it has a "remove from powerkey menu" button | 23:10 |
| kerio | that doesn't wor | 23:10 |
| kerio | k | 23:10 |
| kerio | i think it's because of sudo silliness | 23:10 |
| kerio | BUG! | 23:10 |
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| kerio | will stuff break if i make "vi" a symlink to vim? | 23:18 |
| kerio | i mean, is vi ever used programmatically? | 23:18 |
| merlin1991 | afaik no | 23:19 |
| merlin1991 | does it even have an interface for that? | 23:19 |
| kerio | merlin1991: sure it does, stdin :P | 23:19 |
| merlin1991 | ususally you'd use sed from scripts | 23:19 |
| merlin1991 | no I mean does it have a commandset you can use on stdin? | 23:19 |
| jacekowski | no | 23:20 |
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| zsolt | hi there | 23:55 |
| zsolt | how is it possible to use dosbox on wine? | 23:55 |
| zsolt | my nokia n900 cant recognize the keyboard | 23:56 |
| zsolt | got no man pages about that | 23:56 |
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