IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-07-03

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Sicelo :P00:25
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infobotjrtools is probably
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RiDwhat's up infobot01:52
RiDinfobot, i'm talking to you01:52
infobotHowdy Bub01:53
ZogG_laptop~rape RiD01:53
* infobot takes RiD behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams01:53
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RiDwhat just happened01:53
RiD~kill ZogG_laptop01:53
* infobot shoots a excited fluxtachyon gun at ZogG_laptop01:53
RiDoh nice01:53
ZogG_laptopyou finally lost your virginity01:53
* RiD cries01:53
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infobotaw, gee, qwazix_90001:59
qwazix_900~where are you?02:00
infobotI am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W02:00
qwazix_900~kill everybody02:00
* infobot shoots a magneto-ionized fluxtachyon gun at everybody02:00
qwazix_900ok, now that everybody is dead I can go to sleep...02:01
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ZogG_laptopwe need to make maemo quotes or something02:02
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RiDinfobot, what is twat?02:39
infobotsuck it hard!02:39
RiDinfobot, what is twat?02:39
infobotsuck it hard!02:39
RiDinfobot, what is idiot?02:39
infobot[idiot] you02:39
RiDinfobot, what is twatty?02:39
infobotI think you lost me on that one, RiD02:39
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RiDinfobot no, a twatty is a different way of saying twat02:40
infobotRiD: okay02:40
RiDinfobot, what is twatty?02:40
infobotwell, twatty is a different way of saying twat02:40
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alex-RiD: i'm here :|02:46
RiDinfobot, how to flash my n900?02:46
alex-what do you want from me?02:46
alex-infobot: how to get rid of RiD ?02:46
RiDhe's dead :O02:46
alex-you killed it!02:46
RiDinfobot, what is N900?02:47
infoboti guess n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside02:47
RiDinfobot no, N900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside and a beer02:47
infobotokay, RiD02:47
RiDinfobot, what is N900?02:47
infobotn900 is probably a wooden box with stained cans inside and a beer02:47
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RiDget it, alehorst?02:47
RiDoops, wrong nick. alex- ?02:47
alex-why do we need that RiD ?02:47
RiDwell, PM02:48
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RiDRaimu don't laugh at me. laugh at alex-!02:48
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ZogG_laptopluke-jr: ping03:58
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luke-jrZogG_laptop: pong04:54
luke-jrman, I have terrible latency04:54
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ZogG_laptopluke-jr: i see u use power kernel of maemo for gentoo as base right?04:57
luke-jrfor now04:58
ZogG_laptopi wonder for n950 should i take harmattan's basic one or should i use gentoo's04:58
luke-jrthere is about zero chance of any normal Linux working on it05:03
luke-jrLinux proper has never worked on NITs05:03
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luke-jrNokia Internet Tablets05:21
ZogG_laptopluke-jr: btw interesting how many of things ou did to n900 would work on n9/50?05:22
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ZogG_laptopluke-jr: anyway i'll disturb you a lot when n950 gets to me =)05:23
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luke-jrZogG_laptop: find me a N950 ;)09:23
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bkerensaIs Garage now allowing new accounts?09:24
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Macerwow did they make that easy heh10:28
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vi__javispedro laying the smack down on his own hack.11:50
keriois there any reason not to always use the bleeding edge drivers?11:53
kerioaren't they, like, better?11:53
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keriothe bleeding edge wifi drivers, i mean11:55
kerioalso, i think i'm doing it wrong11:57
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keriodoes extras-devel include extras-testing and extras?11:57
DocScrutinizerthere are pkgs in extras you don't find in extras-devel11:59
DocScrutinizerhowever _usually_ extras-devel will have more recent versions than -testing (and this than extras), so you don't want to run huge updates with extras-* enabled12:01
DocScrutinizersince the versions in extras-devel are NOT supposed stable12:01
DocScrutinizerusual procedure: enable extras-devel, intsall the pkg you planned to, then disable extras-devel again12:02
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kerioi might've already installed some stuff from -devel12:05
kerioi mean, upgraded12:05
keriooh well12:05
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ivgalvezMohammadAG: ping12:09
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keriohrmpf, why does fapman sometimes fail to start12:21
vi__kerio: I only really use the drivers when I am uh...auditing.12:22
vi__If you acidentally leave your NIC in monitor mode, bye bue battery.12:23
keriovi__: yeah, but aren't the cool drivers cooler than the default?12:23
freemangordonyeah, by 2-3 degrees12:23
keriofreemangordon: i believe you12:24
freemangordonbut it depends on the outside temp too12:24
keriovi__: also, why can't cleven use the backported drivers, and has to use the ones in MyDocs?12:24
keriooh no, nvm12:25
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vi__kerio: becasue it is badly written.12:38
vi__much like my spelling.12:38
kerioalthough the latest version seems to require the backported drivers package12:38
kerioso there's that12:38
vi__kerio: I do not use it.12:38
vi__I prefer wifite.12:39
vi__I accept that when it comes to wifi...auditing I am a script kiddie and cannot be bothered learning to use aircrack suite properly.12:39
kerioanyway, my question is actually different12:39
vi__Therefore I prefer to use a completely autonymous tool.12:39
kerioaren't the backported drivers for wifi+bluetooth much better than the stock ones?12:40
vi__What was your Q again?12:40
kerioregardless of... auditing12:40
vi__You would hacve to ask the package maintainer.12:40
vi__freemangordon: Are these backported drivers better?12:40
vi__and no, I do not know what better means.  A higher version number I think.12:41
keriovi__: in theory, they add stuff like bluetooth cooperation12:42
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freemangordonvi__: but of course, they are cooler :P. NFC, you may want to as lxp, there was some table somewhere with comparison between stock/compat12:53
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lardmanI can't remember how to get to the package promotion page, could someone give me a clue please?:)12:57
lardmanbbiab, meeting12:57
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qwazixDocScrutinizer, ping13:01
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keriofreemangordon: do you use them all the time?13:01
keriohow can i diagnose problems with mafw?13:02
DocScrutinizerqwazix: pong (for a minute)13:02
qwazixIs it easy to change the internal battery of the N900?13:03
qwazixI mean the battery that keeps time when you remove the blj13:03
qwazixbecause the guys at Nokia Care ***** *****13:04
DocScrutinizerreplace by a capacitor13:04
qwazixand I don't want to take it back again13:04
DocScrutinizersoldering needed, low skill profile13:05
qwazixhmmm, not very good at this...13:05
qwazixguess I'll go and buy a better iron, and have some practice first13:05
DocScrutinizergood plan :-D13:06
keriono, seriously, what the hell is wrong with my mafw13:06
kerioit doesn't do shit13:06
vi__qwazix: you would have to be a fecking ape to balls it up.13:06
qwazixthanks again, I'll search for the schematics, I hope I wont have to mess with the FPC13:06
vi__kerio: wtf is wrong with my motorbike, it doesnt do shit.13:06
DocScrutinizeryou always have to mess with FPC13:06
keriovi__: i have no idea how to diagnose the problem13:07
DocScrutinizerafk, bbl13:07
vi__~dict FPC13:07
DocScrutinizerflat plastic cable13:07
infobotDictionary 'FPC' (2): Floating Point Coprocessor ;; A translator from {Backus}'s {FP} to {C}. {(}..13:07
vi__DocScrutinizer: how many plug/unplugs can you get from such a cable?13:08
DocScrutinizerflex plastic connector13:08
DocScrutinizerunsure, maybe 5013:08
vi__DocScrutinizer: that is a grim thought.13:08
DocScrutinizerhave to run, cya13:09
kerioi tap on a song, and i get this:
vi__That is a problem with your media player, not necessarily mafw.13:10
keriook, fine13:10
keriohow do i diagnose what's the problem?13:10
vi__kerio: did you perform a FULL COMPLETE re-flash when you got this n900?13:10
kerioboth vanilla and combined13:10
vi__kerio: NFC.  That is the beauty of the N900.  Unlimited ways to mod, bodge, kludge and customise==unlimited ways to break things.13:11
keriogoddammit, this *is* a serious problem for me :s13:13
infobotit has been said that bupbat is
kerioit can't even change the volume13:14
vi__Do you know how hard it is to troubleshoot over IRC?  I literally have *no* idea what you have installed/changed/moved/rooted/scripted/hacked/modded/bodged.13:14
DocScrutinizer~bupbat is also use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months13:14
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay13:14
kerio"Unable to execute operation" or something13:14
keriovi__: not much, in theory13:14
kerioyeah, i know13:14
DocScrutinizer~tell qwazix about bupbat13:15
keriohm, there's actually a phantom playlist, apparently13:15
qwazixDocScrutinizer, thanks, checking it out now13:16
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qwazixHow much time can I expect from such capacitor to last. Enough to change sim card?13:21
qwazixAnd, does it come with the feet soldered on? Why can't it just fit in the place of the battery.13:22
DocScrutinizerit fits13:23
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* qwazix wonders how the hell the battery from my 1991 kid icarus game boy cartridge still works...13:24
Lava_Croftkid icarus13:24
Lava_Croftgod that one hell of an overrated game these days13:24
qwazixLava_Croft, why? I liked it, and back in the day no other game had an evolving character. That only was enough13:25
kerioyay, i got it back working13:25
qwazixAnd persistent savegame... I was sick of level passwords13:25
keriogood old apt-get remove .*mafw.*13:25
qwazixI had started choplifter from the start at least 10 times cause of lost passwords13:26
DocScrutinizerqwazix: primary cell, not a crappy rechargable13:26
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qwazix~primary cell is a not recharcheable battery:
infobotokay, qwazix13:27
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jacekowski~primary cell13:33
infobotwell, primary cell is a not recharcheable battery:
keriowhat the FUCK13:37
keriothe fix doesn't survive a reboot13:37
keriothis is bullshit13:37
vi__kerio: what media player are you using?13:39
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keriothe stock one13:40
vi__install open media player.13:40
vi__might work13:40
vi__If not, rebuild tracker database.13:41
vi__Maybe you have broken files?13:41
vi__who knows.13:41
vi__If that does not work...13:41
vi__either do some real sleuthing, uninstalling, undoing everything you have already done13:41
vi__or restore from your last backupmenu backup.13:42
kerioi don't have a backupmenu backup13:42
vi__Please tell me you installed backupmenu and made a 'baseline' backup you could fall back to when you pooped on the fan.13:42
keriovi__: my baseline backup is reflashing13:42 do not have BM?13:42
kerioreally, why bother with anything else13:42
japhvi__, no it just looked good in the menu!13:42
keriovi__: i *literally* just bought this n90013:43
vi__kerio: Protip #1. Backup menu is king.13:43
* japh checks it out13:43
vi__kerio: as with all tech, you flash it.  You fiddle with it till it gets fucked.13:43
vi__You flash it again, fiddle with it till it gets fucked.13:44
vi__So you flash it again and fiddle with it till it gets fucked.13:44
vi__Now here is the funny part.13:44
japhbecause that's the whole point of grabbing it13:44
japhat least for me, ymmv13:44
vi__The length of time between each reflash gets longer and longer.13:44
vi__Starting initially at hours, increasing to days, then months.13:45
vi__For me, I have not re-flashed for ~4 months now.13:45
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vi__everything is nice.13:45
vi__If I fuck anything up, I just restore the backup with backup menu.13:45
vi__And I am EXACTLY at where I was on the last backup.13:46
keriovi__: the thing is, i don't really know if mediaplayer *used* to work13:46
vi__I like backupmenu SO MUCH, I donated to robbiethe1st TWICE.13:46
vi__kerio: Then it sounds to me like you need a reflash.13:46
vi__1. Re-flash.13:47
vi__2. Install fapman13:47
vi__3. enable repos13:47
Lava_Croftbackupmenu worked great for me after restoring my backup13:47
Lava_Crofthad to flash anyway:D13:47
vi__4. Install backupmenu13:47
Lava_Crofti bet i failed hard on that part13:47
vi__5. make a backup.13:47
vi__6. Fiddle away knowing you won't really have to reflash again.13:47
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keriois there someone who actually knows how mediaplayer works?13:53
japhmplayer works13:53
keriojaph: yeah13:54
kerioon the other hand, this is the fucking stock media player13:54
Lava_Croftuse OMP13:54
kerioit just makes no sense13:54
kerioalso, where the hell is dpkg-reconfigure?13:55
keriothis is seriously frustrating13:57
keriois mafw actually needed?13:58
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kerioalright, removed mediaplayer14:04
keriofuck that noise14:04
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kerioLava_Croft: does OMP use mafw?14:06
vi__mafw IS the mediaplayer.14:09
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vi__'media player' is just a nice gui for it.14:09
vi__'open media player' is an even nicer gui for it.14:09
keriovi__: great14:09
vi__There is nothing wrong with mafw.14:09
chem|stkerio: you fsckd up your device by unsinstalling shit I guess, now get back on your seat!14:09
keriochem|st: no u14:09
vi__you have fucked something up.14:09
vi__re-flash time.14:09
kerioOMP works14:10
keriolet's hope it works after a reboot14:10
vi__kerio: then what is the problem?14:10
vi__chem|st: :p14:10
chem|stkerio: reflash install cssu and the hell keep your fingers from the uninstall button14:10
keriochem|st: k :c14:10
vi__By all means uninstall shit, just make sure you know what it is you are uninstalling!14:10
kerioor maybe i'll use OMP14:10
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vi__chem|st: I have an oil leak.14:11
chem|styou are like a fucked up brat who was told to NOT to do something and is complaining about a broken toy after doing exactly the oposite of what was told before14:11
chem|stvi__: me too...14:11
chem|stabout 1L/500km14:12
vi__ouch, that is bad.14:12
chem|sthead gasket14:12
vi__mine is not THAT bad.14:12
vi__which bike?14:12
keriochem|st: can i uninstall cherry at least?14:13
chem|stor the valve-seal14:13
vi__this is where the xt600 wins.  You could have the head off in about 4o minutes with nothing more than a screwdriver and a spoon.14:13
vi__kerio: yes14:13
chem|stkerio: yes14:13
japhkerio, has there ever been a 'stock' media player worth not forgetting about??14:13
chem|stehrm maybe not14:13
keriojaph: itunes?14:13
* kerio flees14:13
* japh fetches chainsaw14:13
vi__I picked up a spare engine.14:14
vi__THe whole thing.14:14
vi__For ~70 euro.14:15
chem|stkerio: on saturday I had 3 iphones on the table not behaving like expected... pulled my n900 and did what was asked for!14:15
chem|stnot even facebook "I like" was possible otg14:15
infoboti guess otg is
chem|stwhat do I need a $600 phone for gsm-calling only?14:16
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vi__so your friends know you have $600 for spare!14:16
vi__If someone were to offer me a road legal kdx200 for trade for the n950...14:17
vi__I'd take it.14:17
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HelloerEstel_: hi14:29
keriochem|st: alright, i have PR1.3 flashed now14:33
kerioi removed the -installers and the introduction applet14:33
kerioi won't remove anything else14:33
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vi__THEN USE IT.14:53
keriovi__: i'll do that after i install CSSU stable14:56
kerio(and before anything else, yes)14:56
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skopeany ideas why my desktop gets slow after few days of uptime? when i unlock my phone and try to click a shortcut, it freezes and holds for a while. then it works fine15:00
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skopeand i have n900. forgot to mention15:02
freemangordonswap fragmentation15:02
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infobotAllows one to easily change CD-ROM media with one command or click.. URL:
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freemangordonclever one :D15:03
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freemangordonPali: any chance for a new KP and KPS anytime soon?15:04
keriovi__: how do i install backupmenu? D:15:06
kerioit doesn't appear in HAM, and i can't do anything before installing it!15:06
Palifreemangordon, I will push source package of packet injection driver to extras-devel15:06
Paliunder name wl1251-maemo15:07
skopefreemangordon: what?15:07
Paliand deb package wl1251-maemo-source15:07
freemangordonPali: didn't get that, iirc we agree those modules to a part of kernel build, why is wl1251-maemo needed?15:08
freemangordonaaah, source and .deb15:09
Paliwe do not need to include source code of that modules (500MB) into kernel-power package15:09
freemangordonPali: it is not 500 MB15:09
Palidsc package wl1251-maemo will build deb package wl1251-maemo-source15:09
freemangordonbut yes, there is no need15:09
Pali485M    wl1251-maemo-0.2-source.tar.gz15:09
freemangordonPali: use my package from extras-devel15:10
Palioriginal lxp tarball15:10
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freemangordonwl1251-maemo-0.2-source.tar.gz contains git tree15:10
keriowtf, there's no backupmenu in extras15:10
skopebut weird. i have 50% ram usage and it already swaps15:11
freemangordonPali: do apt-get source linux-modules-backport and use the source from there15:11
freemangordonPali: BTW you don't need a new package15:11
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freemangordonyou already have the source in the repos, proceed in the same was as with kernel-source.orig15:11
freemangordonadd a line downloading it in debian/rules get-orig-source rule. or near it15:13
freemangordonPali: ^^^15:13
freemangordonskope: check your swappiness15:14
skopefreemangordon: cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness says 3015:15
freemangordonwell, NFC then, but you could try to set it to 015:15
freemangordonnto sure what the effect will be15:16
skopei bet not so good15:16
freemangordonskope: what is the problem with having swap?15:16
steve__skope: it's quite normal for things to get swapped out when they're not getting used.15:17
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zeqnot only under memory pressure15:17
skopefreemangordon: nothing, but usually system don't swap until ram is used15:17
skopezeq: really?15:17
zeqreally.  better to have more cache than memory used up with idle processes15:18
skopebut it is weird why n900 doesn't respond after unlock. upper left corner menu button works tho15:18
skopebut desktop doesn't15:18
vi__skope: but that cache is disk cache.15:18
vi__n900 uses flash memory15:19
vi__which is mega fast reads.15:19
zeqvi__: it's not that quick15:19
zeqwish it was :)15:19
vi__kerio: enable development repo, that is where all the cool shit is.15:19
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skopeso anyone has no idea what is causing freezings? been googling for weeks and nothing useful came up15:21
vi__skope: freemangordon told you.15:22
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vi__You need to defrag your swap space.15:22
vi__1. Reboot the n900.15:22
vi__2. Swapoff/swapon15:22
vi__3. install ereswap package.15:22
skopevi__: thank you for clearing that up. i missed that entirely15:22
vi__skope: np15:23
skopeand thanks to freemangordon15:23
vi__praise his might.15:23
skopei will15:23
vi__oh lord cthulufreemangordon, look mercifully upon us.15:23
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keriocan i put a password for user?15:39
kerioand what's the official way to get root?15:39
skopepasswd user15:39
qwazixkerio, rootsh15:41
qwazixand if you want to be able to use sudo, sudser15:41
qwazix(never edit /etc/sudoers)15:41
keriowill it correctly ask for user's password?15:42
skopewhen sshing into the device, yes15:43
qwazixno, unless you run sudser command15:43
qwazixread the package description15:43
qwazixthere is a way to force it to always ask for pwd15:43
qwazix(don't know if you need rootsh anyway or if sudser works by itself, I always install both)15:44
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freemangordonzeq: GTK fennec build is broken too, not only Qt, I can only hope it will be fixed15:57
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freemangordonzeq: something is screwed up in the painting/scrolling code, both Qt and GTK build behave in the same strange way when scrolling.16:00
kerioqwazix: for fuck's sake, sudser broke my sudoers16:01
qwazixkerio, !!16:02
qwazixI've been using sudser since ages,16:02
qwazixthough I never did try to force it to ask for password16:03
kerio"grep: /etc/shells: No such file or directory" "Password changed." ">>>sudoers file: syntax error, line 28 <<<" "/etc/sudoers.d/everybody.sudoers changes break sudoers"16:03
qwazixI supposed it should work as it is in extras proper16:03
zeqfreemangordon: I've noticed it too.  I'm going to try to track down what broke it when I have some time.16:03
qwazixSorry for the fuckup, want me to post my sudoers file?16:04
zeqIt took me a couple of full builds to figure out why rotation broke again for me (missing SLOT orientationChanged)16:04
kerioqwazix: well, it doesn't work16:04
keriounless this crap is intended behavior16:05
freemangordonzeq: isn't it better to prepare what we have so far and to try to push it upstream first?16:05
qwazixkerio, doubt it... wait i'll post my sudoers file16:05
zeqyes, may as well16:05
zeqneed to clean up the commits16:05
freemangordononce we have an upstreamed code, I think it will be a little bit easier to demand things :D16:06
zeqlike working EGL hw accel ;)16:06
kerioqwazix: my /etc/sudoers.d/everybody.sudoers had "user ALL=(ALL) PASSWD:" in one line16:06
kerioi changed that to "user ALL=(ALL) ALL"16:06
kerioand ran update-sudoers16:06
kerionow it works16:06
freemangordonzeq: if you wish I can do it too, but TBH I still think it is beter you to do it. Me and my diplomacy :D:D:D16:06
kerioas intended, i mean16:06
zeqfreemangordon: I'll try to get it done today, can't promise though.16:07
qwazixmine has user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL16:07
kerioyeah well, i want it passworded :)16:07
freemangordonzeq: on the other hand if you lack time I will do the patch and will send it to you, ok?16:07
qwazixwith sudser installed as-is (no extra configuration or running sudser)16:07
HRH_H_Crabanyone here using mgutenberg?16:07
zeqfreemangordon: sure :)16:07
keriohm, closing and reopening the terminal doesn't reset the password asking16:08
keriooh well16:08
freemangordonI think a monolite patch should be ok, or it is better to split it?16:08
qwazixyou could file a bug to sudser bugtracker (that is if the maintainer is not MIA)16:08
freemangordons/it is/is it/16:08
zeqfreemangordon: I think probably, yes. keep functional changes separate16:09
freemangordonyou mean volume control?16:09
keriook, next item in the list: functional-ish unix16:09
keriowat do?16:09
zeqit's not realated to fixing the rotation in any way16:09
kerioinstall coreutils and teach myself to put "g" before every command name?16:09
freemangordonok. though I think we should not try to upstream that16:10
zeqthe rotation fix?16:10
zeqor the zoom?16:10
freemangordonthe zoom16:10
zeqprobably should add an option like in microb16:10
freemangordonwe can keep in in /debian/patches16:11
zeqfreemangordon: I did try to tack down text reflow16:11
infobotzeq meant: freemangordon: I did try to track down text reflow16:11
freemangordonme too16:11
freemangordonit is a no go AIUI16:11
zeqI did find something, but didn't experiment with it16:11
zeqI'll try to find it again and point it out16:12
freemangordonas what i saw is a fixed font size used in net_sure_the_name.js16:12
zeqI'll have a look again when I have a bit more time...16:13
freemangordonso, I will try to prepare a patch for all changes but zoom functionality16:13
zeqfreemangordon: once done, do you think bugzilla bug, plus pointing it out to romaxa et al at #mobile would be the right way?16:15
freemangordonromaxa said to open a bug and to attach the patch16:15
vi__sudoers is broken.16:15
zeqyeah. that's what I thought16:15
vi__DO NOT EDIT IT.16:16
vi__cat /proc/swaps16:16
vi__oops, wrong xterm16:16
freemangordonzeq: BTW git diff commitid1..commitid2 should do the job very easily16:16
zeqfreemangordon: wonders of git :)16:17
zeqfreemangordon: anyway I've g2g, will you email it to me?16:17
freemangordonmay I have your mail again, i've lost it16:18
freemangordonzeq: ^^^16:18
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qwazixzeq, freemangordon, I think that reflow is intentionally like that. In most browsers except opera, double-tapping triggers reflowing while arbitrary zoom doesn't16:31
qwazixI don't know if that is UI design decision or performance limitation (constant reflowing is heavy)16:32
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freemangordonqwazix: yeah, but it worths try to fix it. Anyway it is not a top priority16:40
qwazixfreemangordon, agreed16:40
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vi__freemangordon: did you get your email yet?16:41
freemangordonvi__: no16:41
vi__freemangordon: lame16:41
freemangordondo you?16:41
freemangordonhmm, maybe you should check with travel agencies for a ticket to papua (whatever the place was) :D16:42
vi__papua new guinea16:42
vi__they have cannibals.16:42
freemangordonaah, yes , papua new guinea16:42
freemangordonvi__, no , it is just a rumor16:42
Palifreemangordon, seems that kernel-power-settings problem with 'can't shift that many' is already fixed in last version16:43
PaliI cannot reproduce that problem with old schemes and last kernel-power-settings16:43
kwtmWhat is in /home/user/MyDocs/cities/ on my N900?  Is this a built-in map for the GPS that came with the N900, or something?16:43
Palikwtm, downloaded maps for Nokia Maps16:43
vi__kwtm: it is where nokia maps tiles get stored.16:43
Palicache for Nokia maps16:44
kwtmPali: Oh, so if I've never used Nokia maps then it would be empty ... ok16:44
Palikwtm, Some eMMC images has integrated some Nokia Maps16:44
freemangordonvi__: wasn't that the place a famous english captain fas killed/eaten?16:44
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Paliof cource that can be installed by some windows app (nokia map loader??)16:44
Palikwtm, if you do not use nokia maps, you can delete it16:45
kwtmPali: Just trying to see what to skip for my rsync backup script16:45
Palimaps are downloadable from internet/nokia, so skip it in rsync16:46
kwtmI find I can't use a date as a cut-off because when a N900 is reflashed, the built-in files on a pristine N900 have a very recent file date/time.16:46
freemangordonPali: if you have a custom kernel config according to the old scheme might trigger something16:46
Palifreemangordon, I used old scheme with last kernel-config and it show only: warning: 700000 not supported16:47
Paliand warning: 750000 not supported16:47
Palibut no shift error16:47
freemangordonerr, and what is the reported bug?16:47
Palishow error:  can't shift that many16:48
freemangordonaah, do you have 0 athe the begining of the supported frequencies?16:48
Paliin script yes16:48
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Paliit is your patch16:48
freemangordonI mean in /etc/default/kernel-power16:48
Pali/etc/default/kernel-power -> /home/user/.kernel/default16:49
freemangordonwherever it is16:49
Paliand yes first is: FREQS="0:25,90 ..."16:49
freemangordonI need to recall what my change was, as it was intended to fix exactly "can't shift that many" error16:50
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freemangordonPali: are you sure those who reported have latest KPS?16:50
Palimaybe no16:51
Paliproblem was in older kernel-power-settings16:51
freemangordonaah, yes16:51
freemangordonthere was a problem16:51
freemangordonAnd I think i have fixed it16:52
freemangordonor not?16:52
PaliI cannot reproduce bug16:52
Paliso it should be fixed16:52
freemangordonPali: could you somehow workaround warning: 700000 not supported and warning: 750000 not supported16:52
freemangordoni.e. assume 720 for both frequencies16:53
freemangordonore replace with 720 and overwrite the profile with some"converted to new scheme" warning16:54
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freemangordonPali: or even better, show a maemo notification banner "Your profile has been converted, check your frequency/voltage table"16:57
Palifreemangordon, I will add code which convert 700000 and 750000 to 72000016:58
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freemangordongreat. Just keep in mind that if you have both, you should remove 700 and replace 750 with 720. because it is better to use the voltage for 75016:59
Palifreemangordon, ok 700 will be ignored and 750 will be changed to 72017:02
freemangordongreat. it is up to you what voltage to use if upper limit is 700 :P17:02
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kerioDocScrutinizer! help! people are talking about overclocking!17:37
infobotrumour has it, oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s17:39
vi__kerio: Don't be a pussy.  Overclock ur fone.17:42
keriovi__: no u17:42
Maceroverclock it to 3GHz17:44
Macerkeeps it reals17:45
kerioheh, that would surely shut the dickheads with a galaxys3 up17:47
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vi__You are right, explosions always shut people up.17:48
keriothere's not enough energy to cause an explosion like that! :(17:48
vi__just pipe IRC to espeak, that will shut them up.17:48
keriothe fuck, cleven sometimes just doesn't work17:51
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gremlin[it]hi all18:13
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gremlin[it]I'm lookign around to resolve an issue, i would delete messages (sms and im) older than a certain number of days, but i wasn't able to find nothing to do this ... can anyone help me ?18:15
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keriois the server to use, for agps?18:27
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keriowtf, why does os x show me two volumes when i mount the n900 in ass rage mode?18:30
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RiDwhat are the size of them?18:30
kerio"Nokia N900" is 29GB, "Untitled" is 16GB18:32
kerioUntitled is mostly empty18:32
kerioand houses DCIM18:32
jacekowskiwell, N900 is My Docs18:32
jacekowskiUntitled is memory card18:33
kerio...i don't have a µsd18:33
RaimuThe ass rage mode.18:33
keriowhat the fuck, i DO have a µsd18:33
jacekowskikerio: is that your phone?18:33
RaimuThe plot thickens.18:33
keriomeh, class 2 sandisk18:33
kerioi ain't even mad18:34
keriojacekowski: just bought it used18:34
keriothe µsd is apparently empty18:34
jacekowskitry recovery software on it18:34
keriowhere "used" apparently means "barely touched"18:34
keriojacekowski: nah, that would be a dick move18:34
keriothe seller was really helpful18:34
jacekowskii've got class 10 SD for my camera18:34
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kerioi suppose i can use it to store backups and stuff like that18:35
jacekowskibackups in same place are not the best thing18:36
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kwtmwhere I can get the "less" command?  what package do I install?  I already have coreutils-gnu installed.18:41
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merlin1991or the all hated busybox-power :D18:52
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RaimuClass 2 Sandisk isn't bad. At least legitimate Sandisk µSDs tend to outperform.19:14
RaimuAnd the stock µSDs that came with Nokia phones were often much better than random internet-bought ones of any class rating.19:15
RaimuHigher class numbers are nice for long sustained writes and not much else19:16
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keriodid someone port osu! to maemo?19:24
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keriooh, found a bug in cleven, how do i report it?19:27
freemangordonzeq: I sent the patch on your mail19:30
kerioapparently it expects to be able to sudo $foo without it asking for a password19:30
M4rtinK2kerio: there is a Cleven thread on talk.maemo.org19:31
freemangordonkerio: plus this is not a bug in cleven19:31
kerioM4rtinK2: yeah but it would require me to go on TMO19:31
keriofreemangordon: oh really19:31
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keriofreemangordon: at least it could *tell* me19:31
kerioor, better, ask for the password19:31
kerioor, slightly worse, add its own commands to a file in /etc/sudoers.d/19:31
keriolike most other applications like that do19:32
freemangordonyes, really, maemo5 was never intened to have password for sudo AFAIK19:32
kerio[citation needed]19:32
freemangordondon't have time now :)19:32
kerioand actually19:32
kerioyou don't even *have* sudo access out of the box19:32
kerioyou have to install a package and/or enable rd mode19:32
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keriowhy didn't you tell me before?19:43
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keriowill stuff break if i chsh for user?19:55
kerioalso, is there a way to make HAM not check for updates by itself?19:57
DocScrutinizer51see wiki/customization19:57
kerioDocScrutinizer51: no Customisation or Customization19:58
kerioon wiki.maemo.org19:58
keriooh, Customizing Maemo19:58
DocScrutinizer51customizing your maemo19:58
PavelI gave in and bought an Android phone after using an N900 for 2 1/2 years. It feels sad, and I already miss the nice integration of contacts and IM in the N900, but my N900's hardware was failing in many ways, and not having a compass was annoying.20:01
DocScrutinizer51kerio: freemangordon: cleven SHALL add all 'sudo $foo' it needs to etc/sudoers.d!20:02
kerioDocScrutinizer51: indeed20:02
DocScrutinizer51kerio: for proper password on sudo gainroot see20:02
infobotrumour has it, jrtools is
kerioDocScrutinizer51: nah, i solved that one20:02
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: I was using cleven and it has nevers asked for a password, so I assume it has all the needed stuff in /etc/sudoers.d20:04
kerioDocScrutinizer51: my gainroot checks for RD mode apparently20:05
kerioi don't know if that's new in pr 1.320:05
freemangordonkerio: did you mess up with your /etc/sudoers.d ?20:05
freemangordonkerio: you need rootsh20:05
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keriofreemangordon: it doesn't have ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL20:06
keriobecause that's dumb, yo20:06
freemangordonsure. anyway, today is my brthday, so I'd rather spend the evening in a bar, not in front of my PC20:07
keriohappy birthday!20:07
keriowe love you!20:07
kerioadd the correct commands to a file in /etc/sudoers.d!20:07
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PavelAlso, I am yet to find an Android podcast client as good as gPodder.20:09
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kerioasjkasjgkajsskgas why does apt not accept "y" as "yes"20:12
keriofucking localizations20:12
keriothe prompt is not translated, but the accepted options are20:13
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infoboti heard jrtools is
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vi_freemangordon: how to enable backingswap?  and how do I know if it is enabled?21:10
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vi_also, how come there is no lzo module?21:15
vi_I thought it was needed for the compression?21:15
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DocScrutinizer51~seen kerio21:42
infobotkerio <~kerio@unaffiliated/kerio> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 19m 35s ago, saying: '~jrtools'.21:42
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Lava_Croftoh yeah, speaking of that21:47
infobotit has been said that jrtools is
Lava_Croftthank you21:47
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vi_how to set backing swap?21:58
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infoboti heard jrtools is
keriohrmpf, i can't remove "CSSU Features" from the powerbutton menu23:05
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merlin1991kerio that's the cssu features package23:08
kerioyeah but it has a "remove from powerkey menu" button23:10
keriothat doesn't wor23:10
kerioi think it's because of sudo silliness23:10
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keriowill stuff break if i make "vi" a symlink to vim?23:18
kerioi mean, is vi ever used programmatically?23:18
merlin1991afaik no23:19
merlin1991does it even have an interface for that?23:19
keriomerlin1991: sure it does, stdin :P23:19
merlin1991ususally you'd use sed from scripts23:19
merlin1991no I mean does it have a commandset you can use on stdin?23:19
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zsolthi there23:55
zsolthow is it possible to use dosbox on wine?23:55
zsoltmy nokia n900 cant recognize the keyboard23:56
zsoltgot no man pages about that23:56

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