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| * vi__ is upgrading to thumb... | 00:47 | |
| LaoLang_cool | what is the thumb? | 00:47 |
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| vi__ | thumb is the most exciting thing to happen since overclocking... | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_cool: thumb(-2) is an alternative command set known by ATM CPU | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ARM* | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's supposed to be some 20% smaller in codesize than genuine ARM instructionset code | 00:53 |
| Macer | blah. i'd really like to get some caps to replace the bad ones on this board | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_cool: so freemangordon is our steve jobs explaining to us the benefits of moving a whole OS to a different "architecture" (well, the analogy to powerPC->intel architecture switch of macOS is not that perfect, but you might get the idea) | 00:55 |
| Macer | heh | 00:55 |
| * Macer misses ppc based stuff | 00:55 | |
| Macer | i feel like buying ibm based stuff just to make a ppc system | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Macer: make damn sure you get special low-ESR types of capacitors (if those are - usually - the caps in switch mode PSU of CPU) | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 'nomal' electrolytic C will survive something between seconds and days under those 100s of A DC | 00:58 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: probably a little longer than that ;) | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends | 00:59 |
| Macer | not to mention the "low-esr" ones were the ones the taiwanese were throwing out into the world | 00:59 |
| Macer | which is why these are bad to begin with | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, known issue, though I thought this story is >10 years old | 00:59 |
| Macer | yah heh | 01:00 |
| Macer | >15 now it seems ;) | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds about correct | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | meanwhile a lot of board manufs use ceramic C for that | 01:01 |
| Macer | yeah well.. shuttle didn't ;) | 01:01 |
| Macer | i got the board in 2008 and in 2009 it broke | 01:01 |
| Macer | i never really investigated it too much until today | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey, I got several hundered 350uF here ;-D | 01:02 |
| Macer | and noticed that all of a certain type of cap are broken | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | X7R or sth | 01:02 |
| Macer | well. these are 6.7v/1800uF | 01:02 |
| Macer | some looked good until i noticed they were raised up off the board heh | 01:02 |
| Macer | ie: top vent wasn't bulging | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, usual | 01:03 |
| Macer | ah well.. my buddy works as an electronic engineer for a medical equipment company and is going to order me some to replace them | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes you can tell as they seem to stand in a puddle of own pee | 01:03 |
| Macer | it's for a shuttle k45 ;) | 01:03 |
| Macer | well.. none of them seemed to leak | 01:03 |
| Macer | just bulge and die i suppose | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's see... 5 of my 350uF should nicely replace one of your obsolete elcos ;-D | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I literally got hundereds of them | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | a whole reel | 01:05 |
| Macer | er... i figured these things were kind of specific weren't they? | 01:05 |
| Macer | have to match them up or something? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, ceramic X7R should just do fine | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp when using 5 in parallel | 01:06 |
| Macer | or just non-crap caps ;) | 01:06 |
| Macer | would work too | 01:06 |
| Macer | they are just the lame "counterfeit" taiwanese ones i'm sure | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, again no dump for those critters | 01:07 |
| Macer | i bet if they were REAL japanese caps they'd still be fine ;) | 01:07 |
| Macer | i honestly dont' know much about electronics tbh | 01:07 |
| Macer | just enough to desolder/resolder some new caps on :) | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | so let me tell you about the difference: while normal cheap elcos have a series impedance of up to several ohms @ 1MHz, those low-ESR types are supposed to have max 1/00 of that | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1/100 | 01:09 |
| Macer | http://us.shuttle.com/scgforum/tm.aspx?m=3212 | 01:10 |
| Macer | that is exactly what is wrong with my same exact board ;) | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and the effective AC current running thru them is actually up to 100s of Ampere, in those CCPU regulators | 01:11 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer: but if the caps were not crap ones don't they still have a much longer life regardless.. somewhere around 10-15 years? | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | the high virtual Effective ohms Series Resistence impedance together with the high AC will heat the C up to the point where it boils and bursts | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | this can happen after seconds, or after months | 01:13 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: these bad ones lasted over year ;) | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | since the boiling/heating increases ESR further | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's a runaway effect | 01:14 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: like i said tho.. isn't it more a manufacturing problem where the chemistry to make them was wrong? | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | possible | 01:14 |
| Macer | ie: good quality caps last 10-15 years whereas bad ones last 10-15 months? | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | or they were mere fakes | 01:14 |
| Macer | i'd consider bad chemistry to be fakes ;) | 01:15 |
| Macer | rumor was that the taiwanese companies got an incomplete formula | 01:15 |
| Macer | that they stole from the japanese lol | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite usual problem is leaking sealing, resulting in electrolyte literally evaporating | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, sounds more like mainland china, but yes. Sounds familiar | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually meanwhile Taiwan is hightech | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which doesn't mean you can't find counterfeit crap there, just manufacturing usually is done at mainland china nowadays, as the personal costs like 1/10 there | 01:19 |
| Macer | well... these caps didn't leak.. they just bulged and died | 01:20 |
| Macer | which i guess is a better case for repair | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what they always do finally | 01:20 |
| Macer | i would assume depending on the problem some explode | 01:20 |
| Macer | even with a vent heh | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, yes. Some leak after bulging | 01:21 |
| Macer | i'm curious | 01:21 |
| Macer | i have a plasma television with half the display no longer working | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 01:21 |
| Macer | it works for a while then turns on and off and on and off .. maybe i should look for bad caps on that as well | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possible | 01:22 |
| Macer | the screen itself is fine | 01:22 |
| Macer | it's one of the boards that is messed up | 01:22 |
| Macer | and it is actually quite easy to take apart | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | just please be careful! there's really nasty high voltage in those | 01:23 |
| Macer | yeah.. i'll let it discharge for a day heh | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | even then | 01:23 |
| Macer | i actually tried tap testing it to see if it were a loose connection | 01:24 |
| Macer | couldn't find it by doing that :-/ | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might want to "clean" the whole solder side of PCB with some black conductive foam | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | to discharge any C, prior to touching anything with your unprotected fingers | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got shocked by PSUs that were in a drawer for weeks(!) | 01:26 |
| Macer | wow really? LOL | 01:27 |
| Macer | i figured the internal led would discharge everything | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are several voltage domains. Some have no real discharge path once the device is shutdown | 01:28 |
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| Macer | the bulging caps keep a charge? :) | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possibly that's particularly the case for high voltage supply domain in a plasma screen, where gas discharge won't happen for any voltage <1000V at all | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, those quite likely won't | 01:30 |
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| Macer | the plasma has an awesome picture too | 01:31 |
| Macer | well.. i'll open it up and see if i see any bad ones | 01:32 |
| Macer | if i don't i'll have to track down the board that controls the left side of the screen | 01:32 |
| Macer | and see about replacing it.. usually the boards are pretty cheap | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | put left hand in your pocket | 01:32 |
| Macer | i guess it is the screen that is expensive | 01:32 |
| Macer | how about my right? ;) i'm left handed | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter unless your inner organs are mirrored | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | left hand as heart is left side | 01:33 |
| Macer | heh | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you press a sheet of black conductive foam against the solder side of PCB, as I suggested above (preferably use a pliers with isolating coating handles for that) | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | a few seconds should suffice to discharge any C | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | scnr: you got the right to protect your left | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably not as funny as I thought | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: all ok with that "support my work (donate)" link? | 01:45 |
| * vi__ is now rocking the new thumb kernel | 01:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (actually never been used by anybody so far) | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: I hope you're doing proper free et al logs, before/after | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Black conductive foam may do essentially nothing. | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's just antistatic. | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It will not significantly discharge capacitors if it's megohms per square | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I recently tested mine here for ~10k, amazingly independent of distance between probes | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It varies a lot | 01:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | You get static dissipative - at a few megohms per square typically - this is to make sure no charge can build up itn the packing. | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | well ok, it's the "hard" variant | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | And you get 'conductive' at a few hundreds to thousands of ohms | 01:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | probably there is a continuum | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | the very cosy soft version quite possibly isolates more than it conducts | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or it is completely unrelated, who knows | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | use a damp cloth ;-P | 01:52 |
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| internetishard | how do I play to apple airplay? | 04:06 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, wouldn't usage of aluminum foil (cooking one) be better than conductive foam? | 05:57 |
| Estel_ | I.e. it's elastic too, and when applied properly, should touch all things on solder side | 05:57 |
| Estel_ | or is it bad idea? | 05:57 |
| kwtm | What does it mean when my N900, with kernel-power installed, says | 05:58 |
| kwtm | ****ing Enter key too close to the quote key. | 05:59 |
| kwtm | What does it mean when my N900, with kernel-power installed, says "An unexpected reboot occurred. Your custom kernel settings were NOT reloaded." | 05:59 |
| kwtm | Does that mean I have to reboot again, or that I just have to type as root kernel-power --bla --blee --bloo and it will load the settings? | 05:59 |
| kwtm | And, *what* settings? I didn't make any settings except for the fact that the kernel is the power kernel. | 06:00 |
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| psycho_oreos | I don't know what the first part means but the second part could mean whatever overclock settings for instance maybe lost during that forced reboot | 06:07 |
| kwtm | psycho_oreos: Maybe it's just a generic message. I didn't make any overclock settings. I'll just ignore it. | 06:08 |
| psycho_oreos | kwtm, I also pretty much ignore it as well :) | 06:09 |
| internetishard | any ideas for how to play to airplay with an n900? | 06:09 |
| psycho_oreos | vlc? lol, I dunno the ramifications of Apple's airplay let alone most of their products. However iinm its vastly proprietary | 06:10 |
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| internetishard | psycho_oreos: but it's bs, since there are so many ways to let your linux machine become an airplay node. That is, play through your computer. But you can't play from linux to airplay! | 06:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | internetishard, that's Apple for you and pretty much your loss for siding with Apple :) | 06:12 |
| internetishard | psycho_oreos: dude, my room mate bought it and hooked my livingroom speakers up to it... | 06:13 |
| Estel_ | kwtm, no no | 06:13 |
| Estel_ | it's notthing bad | 06:13 |
| psycho_oreos | internetishard, I was referring to playing streams through airplay | 06:13 |
| Estel_ | it means, that your device rebooted in unexpected way ;) | 06:13 |
| Estel_ | exactly as it say | 06:13 |
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| Estel_ | i.e. last shutdown/reboot wasn't clean one | 06:13 |
| psycho_oreos | Estel_, i.e. generic error message? :) | 06:14 |
| internetishard | psycho_oreos: me too | 06:14 |
| Estel_ | and, to prevent bootloop (not that it would happen anyway), it loaded default settings | 06:14 |
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| Estel_ | psycho_oreos, kinda | 06:14 |
| Estel_ | kwtm, now, if You haven't prepared any custom settings, it probably doesn't matter, but You can just - as root - exectue | 06:14 |
| Estel_ | lernel-config unlock | 06:14 |
| internetishard | psycho_oreos: It's an airplay router hooked up to the speakers... So how do you stream to it?! | 06:14 |
| Estel_ | and it automagically load settings that should be loaded on boot, instead of defaults | 06:14 |
| psycho_oreos | internetishard, speakers aren't anything more than airplay nodes iinm and those are common for airplay `playing' nodes | 06:15 |
| psycho_oreos | internetishard, get an apple computer? lol | 06:15 |
| Estel_ | internetishard, why won't You get any decent "normal" solution, much cheaper and more effective than apple's shit? | 06:15 |
| Estel_ | airplay is PITA due to being propertiary and closed | 06:15 |
| psycho_oreos | exactly | 06:16 |
| internetishard | Estel_: tell me about it... I didn't buy it, room mate did | 06:16 |
| Estel_ | you can make linux to act as node, but because they wanted it and mad eit possible | 06:16 |
| internetishard | he's an apple dev :( | 06:16 |
| Estel_ | other way around isn't possible, because they locked it :) | 06:16 |
| psycho_oreos | and Apple would sue anyone trying to misuse their technology | 06:16 |
| internetishard | ug :( | 06:16 |
| Estel_ | internetishard, so educate him to leave empire of evil :P Be a part of Stallman ;) | 06:16 |
| internetishard | And anyone who says "I hate apple" gets an earful | 06:16 |
| Estel_ | *in part* | 06:16 |
| internetishard | haha | 06:16 |
| internetishard | He makes a loooot making ipad apps | 06:17 |
| psycho_oreos | why don't you buy your own router, get something like UPnP and play stuff through that instead? | 06:17 |
| internetishard | psycho_oreos: it'll have an amp in it? | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | exactly. not to mention that upnp is shit too :P | 06:17 |
| internetishard | with mini-out? | 06:17 |
| psycho_oreos | internetishard, no, not exactly but why do you fancy something like that? | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | internetishard, what is Your use case, from the very beginning? | 06:17 |
| psycho_oreos | is it because you must choose Apple's cool nifty bits? or were you expecting to be slugged with anti-Apple's comments? | 06:18 |
| internetishard | 3 different sound systems in the house, lots of different sources of files. Streaming from any device that has audio and wifi/ethernet is fkn cool | 06:18 |
| internetishard | and useful | 06:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | apart from the fact that if the base hardware was by Apple | 06:18 |
| internetishard | is what because? | 06:18 |
| kwtm | Hey, I don't suppose the N900 does 802.11n? It's 802.11g only, right? | 06:19 |
| psycho_oreos | kwtm, only b/g | 06:19 |
| kwtm | That's what I thought. | 06:19 |
| Estel_ | internetishard, define "3 different sounds systems" | 06:19 |
| Estel_ | i.e. it's ins and outs. | 06:19 |
| Estel_ | streaming from any device via lan or internet isn't any problem in linux | 06:20 |
| Estel_ | I don't see where apple's shit apply here | 06:20 |
| internetishard | if you don't want to wire stuff from room to room | 06:20 |
| psycho_oreos | internetishard, not like you can hook up amp or stereo to UPnP, but you can probably get some sort of intermediate hardware that acts like a client/server in between. Apple's solution is again as mentioned before by both myself and Estel_ as proprietary.. i.e. SOL if you want other hardwares to work with it apart from being the receiving end | 06:20 |
| Estel_ | use wifi? | 06:20 |
| internetishard | I just didn't want to buy any hardware/unplug my room mate's solution everytime | 06:21 |
| Estel_ | so You're, basically, fucked | 06:21 |
| psycho_oreos | well you don't have a choice | 06:21 |
| Estel_ | or screwed, whjatever | 06:21 |
| Estel_ | airplay is offensive one, either You take it out, or do some analog audio mod to make it behave | 06:21 |
| Estel_ | (i.e. adaptor that accept sounds from 2 sources) | 06:22 |
| Estel_ | write complains to /dev/null or to apple friend ;) | 06:22 |
| Estel_ | linux coexist with it without problem, but it doesn't coexist with linux. | 06:22 |
| Estel_ | or windows, or whatever ;) | 06:22 |
| internetishard | They always have a clever excuse. | 06:23 |
| * psycho_oreos still recalls how Apple treated linux users running their (Apple's) iTunes.. just a simple windows PC.. linux != windows but Apple just wouldn't want to see it differently | 06:23 | |
| psycho_oreos | that's Apple for you | 06:23 |
| internetishard | "then other solutions would become compatible with airplay and apple would get complaints from people using broken ones and ones that don't work as well" | 06:23 |
| Estel_ | internetishard, well, whose problem is that? | 06:23 |
| internetishard | anyone who lives in SF | 06:24 |
| internetishard | haha | 06:24 |
| Estel_ | source forge?:P | 06:24 |
| Estel_ | science-fiction?:P | 06:24 |
| psycho_oreos | San Francisco | 06:24 |
| Estel_ | self-f.... erm, whatever | 06:24 |
| internetishard | haha, yeah | 06:24 |
| * psycho_oreos thinks its an absurd excuse for one that chooses to _only_ make linux work with Apple's products. Apple is the one not willing to play nice with linux in the first place | 06:25 | |
| Estel_ | anyway, wrt54gl routers can be bought for 20 usd, and one of them is enough to make nmet access for 250 base stations or more | 06:25 |
| Estel_ | just install openwrt on it, required packages, and You're ready to go | 06:25 |
| Estel_ | You can even install some package to make DoS on airplay, if You feel it fancy ; | 06:25 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 06:25 |
| internetishard | they have mini-out/a preamp | 06:25 |
| Estel_ | well, You talked about net | 06:26 |
| Estel_ | if You want preamp, just make/buy one, ffs | 06:26 |
| internetishard | That's the whole point of this thing | 06:26 |
| psycho_oreos | ^ | 06:26 |
| Estel_ | apple's preamp is shitty in quality, anyway | 06:26 |
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| Estel_ | and mini-amps are cheap to made | 06:26 |
| Estel_ | web full of diy guides | 06:26 |
| Estel_ | really good ones, btw | 06:26 |
| internetishard | I don't know, through a good amp at 80% preamp volume, I don't think there is a noticeable difference | 06:26 |
| psycho_oreos | you can forget about airplay. Or otherwise you can always write your own software and hope that Apple won't sue the living daylight out of you | 06:26 |
| Estel_ | internetishard, in such case, You don't need amp at all | 06:27 |
| internetishard | you don't need an amp? lol | 06:27 |
| internetishard | preamp from phone (or wahtever) -> speaker cone | 06:27 |
| psycho_oreos | we're not sound technicians/engineers here, the bottom line is that there are alternatives which will all cost you money but you don't have a choice unless you're a developer with strong reverse engineering skills and is willing to hack the living hell out of airplay's proprietary format | 06:29 |
| internetishard | apple makes me cry | 06:29 |
| internetishard | :( | 06:29 |
| psycho_oreos | learn to live with it | 06:29 |
| * robbiethe1st hates apple | 06:31 | |
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| robbiethe1st | for a multitude of reasons, including killing flash. Because flash is decent, and very useful in some cases. And Apple's hardware/software lockdown is evil. | 06:32 |
| * psycho_oreos hates Sony more than he hates Apple but at least he'll try and restrain being controlled by the likes of dim-witted companies | 06:32 | |
| psycho_oreos | actually, flash is still evil | 06:32 |
| robbiethe1st | Sony, yup, another company for the evil list. | 06:33 |
| * psycho_oreos gets a little annoyed when n9 doesn't even support flash | 06:33 | |
| robbiethe1st | Well, with flash, at least the protocol is open(looking at Gnash etc) | 06:33 |
| internetishard | yeah, that's an instance that apple happens to do something good for everyone, just because it happens to be benefited by the fall of flash | 06:33 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah partially | 06:33 |
| psycho_oreos | internetishard, that's like saying drinking excessive amounts of water won't kill you just because water is not so harmful | 06:34 |
| internetishard | what?! | 06:34 |
| robbiethe1st | But eh, what's going to take the place of DRMed video and actual animation? | 06:34 |
| robbiethe1st | HTML5 doesn't really do either. | 06:34 |
| robbiethe1st | (actual animation = vector animation + synced music playback) | 06:35 |
| psycho_oreos | water is beneficial for everyone, especially potable water but you can still get poisoned by drinking too much water | 06:35 |
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| internetishard | too much flash? | 06:35 |
| psycho_oreos | sure, Apple may have done lots of things that were nice to the majority of the market but their tactics are just downright evil | 06:36 |
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| kwtm | Hey, to add repositories without using the sluggish App Manager, don't I just edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<add my own file> ? It doesn't seem to recognize those files. | 07:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | what's wrong with FAM? | 07:32 |
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| Estel_ | psycho_oreos, kwtm means ham | 07:43 |
| Estel_ | kwtm, just instal fapman via ham, and thern, do everything via fapman | 07:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | Estel_, I know, was wondering why won't he try FAM :) | 07:45 |
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| kerio | i just noticed that there's no way to make an emergency call in the date picker screen you get when you boot after removing the battery | 09:16 |
| kerio | doesn't that violate some regulation? | 09:16 |
| chainsawbike | kerio, you only get that screen after removing the battery if your rtc clock battery is dead | 09:18 |
| kerio | chainsawbike: yeah, but rtc clock batteries *are* dead | 09:18 |
| kerio | in pretty much every n900 | 09:18 |
| chainsawbike | yea... both mine are dead | 09:18 |
| chainsawbike | but that screen is appearing because of a hardware fault, i doubt the regulation in question covers failing hardware | 09:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | poor workmanship? :) | 09:31 |
| psycho_oreos | though I guess nokia would shrug issues like those off as simply being general wear and tear | 09:31 |
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| kwtm | What's wrong with FAM? It's not command-line, that's what's wrong with it. I can't get a script to tap on an icon. | 09:33 |
| kwtm | I thought dbscripts was part of testing. Is it devel? | 09:33 |
| psycho_oreos | well yeah that's true with FAM, though to me FAM is really just a fancy apt-get frontend if anything | 09:34 |
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| kwtm | psycho_oreos: Poisoned by drinking too much water? You mean hyponatremia? That's just a failure to take in something other than water. I wouldn't say it's "poison" from drinking water. ... | 09:36 |
| kwtm | Oh shoot, dbus-scripts *is* devel. :( geez | 09:36 |
| psycho_oreos | kwtm, heh I'm no doctor but there is a wikipedia entry specific to water poisoning. Though they refer to it as water intoxication and yes its also known as hyponatremia. Though when one reads the wikipedia article, it seems as though water intoxication can also be related to `drowning' a person by taking more than required amounts of water | 09:38 |
| kwtm | If that's what Wikipedia says, I should correct it. It's the hyponatremia that does you in, but hyponatremia can be caused by any number of causes, including drinking too much (polydipsia) without replacing salt content. On the other hand, drowning, in the meaning used by most people, means inability to move air into the lungs due to fluid clogging them. | 09:42 |
| kwtm | Boy, is there anything worthwhile that's NOT in devel? even alarmed is devel. | 09:42 |
| kwtm | I'm actually looking for sms-notify, but that seems to have vanished... | 09:43 |
| psycho_oreos | bottom line is too much of anything is not good for you. One is/was supposed to take everything in moderation.. too much salt can also kill you just as a little amounts of salt intake with excessive amounts of water can kill | 09:44 |
| psycho_oreos | I think a fair few devels/maintainers have lost interesting in sticking with the maemo platform :) | 09:44 |
| psycho_oreos | well slowly anyway.. much like how it was the case with bora and chinook.. i.e. the dying phase | 09:45 |
| kwtm | But I thought at least dbus-scripts would have stabilized... at least to the point where I don't have to poll dbus just to see if sms's have arrived. Which is what I guess I'll have to do. Crummm.... | 09:45 |
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| kwtm | Ok, alarmed is in testing ... but that's a GUI. Does it install alarmd? Or what does it use, cron? Hmm... | 09:52 |
| psycho_oreos | not exactly cron iirc, its some other timer program | 09:53 |
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| steve__ | freemangordon: my missing orientationChanged was due to a combination of factors: PKG_CONFIG_PATH had got lost from my mozconfig, and in nsWindow.cpp the code is protected by MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5 whereas the declaration in mozqwidget.h is protected by MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY | 09:56 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: that was me ;) | 09:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: alarmd is a system lib | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | cron is non-existent | 10:41 |
| kwtm | DocScrutinizer: You mean it is already built in? I can write a bash script and call it? | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | you hardly call a lib from a script | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | bash* | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, built in | 10:42 |
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| kwtm | What would be needed so that I can get my N900 to execute an arbitrary specified script at given points in time? | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | to call it there's alarmed | 10:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alarmed again | 10:43 |
| kwtm | Oh, alarmed can be used without the GUI, from within a script? That's great! | 10:44 |
| kwtm | I didn't see a lot of documentation for it but presumably it will be part of the package? | 10:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | the cmdline interface is comprehensive and powerful (I contributed to the specs ;-D ) | 10:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it even has a cron-alike syntax variant | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | and understands full date(1) abstract complex times | 10:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (if the right lib is installed) | 10:56 |
| LaoLang_cool | How to let message_ui support my own avatar.png? | 10:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kwtm: http://www.google.de/search?q=maemo+alarmed | 10:58 |
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| qwazix_ | LeoLang_cool, check out conversation ui modder, it has this and other functionality | 11:02 |
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| LaoLang_cool | qwazix_, I just want to add avatar support, I want to DIY ;p | 11:05 |
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| LaoLang_cool | I get a css from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=500704&postcount=89, in the screenshot in that page, it supports avatar, but it doesn't work for me | 11:08 |
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| kwtm | Is there anything that can get me my current GPS location on my N900? I want to, for example, calculate my speed. Prefer output to stdout, but interface with Python would be ok, too. (I'll write a Python script to spit out the GPS location to stdout) | 11:48 |
| jacekowski | columbus | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | i think it's called | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | but well, read the manual | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | it's on wiki | 11:51 |
| kwtm | will check, jacekowski. Thx. | 11:55 |
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| kwtm | Wow, the quality of maemo apps has improved noticeably during the past year when I didn't install any new ones. Despite the N900 being a dead end. Nice. | 12:11 |
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| japh | it has? I haven't noticed | 12:19 |
| japh | uh. nvm | 12:19 |
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| Hurrian | kwtm, haven't they always been pretty high quality? | 12:35 |
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| kwtm | no, they haven't. | 12:36 |
| Hurrian | I don't ever remember installing crap quality apps | 12:36 |
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| xmlich02 | FYI http://www.openmobility.cz/openmobility/summer-contest-for-linux-smartphone/ | 13:19 |
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| psychologe | want compile nmap6.01 on N900,when execute "make" command ,output a lot error .(((undefined reference to `eth_send'¸IPv4Header.cc:(.text+0x13f8): undefined reference to `ip_checksum))), has some body interest and konw why? | 14:11 |
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| merlin1991 | psychologe do you have a missing header warninig above that? (for me it sounds like the kernel headers are missing) | 14:19 |
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| vi_ | merlin1991: ping | 14:32 |
| merlin1991 | vi_: pong | 14:32 |
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| vi_ | good afternoon. | 14:32 |
| vi_ | How do I uninstall a package that mp-freemantle-community is dependant on? | 14:33 |
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| merlin1991 | what do you want to get rid of? | 14:33 |
| vi_ | operator-name-widget for example will not allow me to uninstall. | 14:33 |
| merlin1991 | also you'll have to remove the mp-fremantle-community-pr in order to that, which in turn will disable ham from recognising cssu updates | 14:33 |
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| vi_ | merlin1991: exactly. | 14:35 |
| StyXman | maybe replacing it with an empty package? | 14:36 |
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| jpinx | how would I log into my N900 from my netbook running debian stable over the usb cable.? | 14:38 |
| vi_ | jpinx: usb networking | 14:38 |
| vi_ | ~usbnetworking | 14:38 |
| infobot | usbnetworking is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 14:38 |
| merlin1991 | jpinx easy or hacky way? | 14:38 |
| vi_ | jpinx: ~usbnetworking | 14:38 |
| jpinx | mer\oth ;) | 14:38 |
| jpinx | ooops | 14:38 |
| merlin1991 | easiest way is to install mad-developer and click through the ui :) | 14:39 |
| vi_ | ~debian | 14:39 |
| infobot | http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents | 14:39 |
| vi_ | ~debianway | 14:39 |
| jpinx | merlin1991: I did this years ago but forgot how | 14:39 |
| vi_ | ~debiansmite | 14:39 |
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| vi_ | ~debian villev_ | 14:40 |
| * infobot tells villev_ to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 14:40 | |
| jpinx | merlin1991: something about setting up ip's on each side and making a table? | 14:40 |
| vi_ | #debian jpinx | 14:40 |
| vi_ | ~debian jpinx | 14:40 |
| * infobot tells jpinx to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 14:40 | |
| merlin1991 | jpinx: mad-developer starts a dhcp server for you | 14:40 |
| jpinx | vi_: looking up webpages on the n900 is not really an option ;) | 14:41 |
| vi_ | jpinx: really, The n900 has a pretty good browser which, some might say is ideal for looking at web pages. | 14:41 |
| jpinx | merlin1991: is there not something possible to creat the route manually? | 14:42 |
| vi_ | ~gentoosmite luke-jr | 14:42 |
| * infobot spends 6 days recompiling luke-jr, and when it's all done, luke-jr runs 7% slower than previously | 14:42 | |
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| jpinx | vi_: and your ability to swamp irc totally underwhelms me with an 11 line display | 14:43 |
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| merlin1991 | jpinx: surely lemme find my script | 14:44 |
| jpinx | I can see the connection inlsusb on the laptop | 14:45 |
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| merlin1991 | jpinx: there are severl modules g_ether g_nokia g_Iforgotit'sname | 14:46 |
| merlin1991 | you need g_ether in order to have usbnetworking up | 14:46 |
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| jpinx | merlin1991: I had this working some years ago so the modules are still tthere I hope | 15:04 |
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| pronto | no | 15:43 |
| peetah | sorry ! | 15:43 |
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| pronto | dont tell me what do to >:O | 15:43 |
| pronto | to do.. | 15:43 |
| vi_ | what was that about vim? | 15:47 |
| vi_ | ~vim | 15:47 |
| infobot | methinks vim is better than emacs | 15:47 |
| vi_ | ~emacs | 15:47 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, emacs is as useless as vim if you don't wanna learn it | 15:47 |
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| Lava_Croft | emacs and vim are for people who cannot appreciate nano | 15:50 |
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| vi_ | nano sucks balls, | 15:50 |
| Lava_Croft | you need a screwdriver and they bring along the entire tool cabinet | 15:50 |
| vi_ | ~nano | 15:51 |
| infobot | i guess nano is at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9 | 15:51 |
| vi_ | Lava_Croft: when all you know is a screwdriver, everything will look like a screw. | 15:52 |
| jacekowski | ~pico | 15:53 |
| infobot | from memory, pico is a non-free text editor. Try nano as a GPL'ed alternative, or if you insist on pico, download the source for pine from non-free, build it, and install the resulting pico_something.deb | 15:53 |
| chem|st | vi_: I asked my father about spareparts for you, he can get most parts with some discount. let me know if you need anything | 15:54 |
| chem|st | vim is the one and only editor... as you do not start emacs unless you consider booting something to start it.. | 15:56 |
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| vi_ | chem|st: I like the cut of your gib! | 15:59 |
| vi_ | chem|st: Remarkably The chap in Germany refunded my money. | 15:59 |
| vi_ | I am very grateful for the translation you did of my letter. | 15:59 |
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| vi_ | I then got raped by paypal taking the money. | 16:00 |
| vi_ | how 279 euros can become 200 GBP I shall never know. | 16:00 |
| vi_ | I have learned the hard way, NEVER buy second hand suspension parts. | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | It varies. | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can personally inspect stuff, and understand it... | 16:02 |
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| vi_ | SpeedEvil: even if I had inspected this shock I would have not known. | 16:03 |
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| vi_ | It had no damping! | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Bouncy! | 16:03 |
| vi_ | Without fitting it or using some kind of test rig, there is no way to know. | 16:03 |
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| vi_ | I am strong but not 9kg/mm strong. | 16:05 |
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| chem|st | vi_: no? | 16:06 |
| chem|st | ;) | 16:06 |
| chem|st | vi_: if you want new ones gimme a shout | 16:06 |
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| vi_ | chem|st: cheers amte! | 16:11 |
| vi_ | ^/mate | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | :) | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | moo | 16:15 |
| chem|st | o/ | 16:16 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer: ! | 16:30 |
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| kerio | hmm... how do i see which PR i'm on? | 16:47 |
| chem|st | kerio: settings about | 16:47 |
| kerio | which one is pr 1.3? | 16:47 |
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| chem|st | kerio: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 16:48 |
| chem|st | 36-2 | 16:49 |
| kerio | k, thanks | 16:49 |
| kerio | what's the recommendation for CSSU? | 16:49 |
| chem|st | latest | 16:50 |
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| chem|st | kerio: RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 200174197 PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 | 16:50 |
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| chem|st | cssu is then something like 21.2011.38-2 or so... | 16:51 |
| chem|st | if testing, stable I do not know | 16:52 |
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| kerio | is testing stable enough? | 16:52 |
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| chem|st | for now... but I recommend to use stable | 16:52 |
| kerio | but i like testing stuff! | 16:53 |
| vi_ | kerio: what is your favourite linux editor? | 16:53 |
| chem|st | you might like to reflash if you like cssu-testing | 16:53 |
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| kerio | can i uninstall stuff like "amazon installer"? | 16:57 |
| chem|st | yes all those *installer things | 16:58 |
| kerio | tutorial-home-applet? | 16:58 |
| kerio | or is that updated in cssu? :P | 16:58 |
| chem|st | yes that too | 16:58 |
| kerio | just got this new n900 (it's used, but it really looks and feels like it's new) | 16:58 |
| kerio | i'm used to an old pr1.2 with some problems (including no usb) | 16:59 |
| chem|st | my 2year old one got its first scratch a week ago (stylus), and yesterday the backplate nose got lost^^ so only replaceable parts ;) | 17:00 |
| chem|st | ah and a new simcard just this weekend | 17:00 |
| chem|st | the guy in the shop told me "new state of the art" "what is new? voltage lower?" "no size increased" my old one was just the same but normal sim this one is micro, both 72K 1.8V | 17:02 |
| kerio | wait, why do we need a "n900-fmrx-enabler" package? | 17:03 |
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| chem|st | you get 64GB size of a microsim now what is the deal with 72K? | 17:03 |
| kerio | chem|st: proprietary technology | 17:03 |
| chem|st | kerio: the UK version needed it I think | 17:03 |
| jacekowski | kerio: some devices have fmrx disabled | 17:03 |
| kerio | with hw crypto up the arse | 17:03 |
| chem|st | and asia/middle east devices too | 17:03 |
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| kerio | the fm*rx* is disabled? why? | 17:04 |
| kerio | it makes no sense | 17:04 |
| chem|st | kerio: law... | 17:04 |
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| kerio | will cssu uninstall that mynokia crap? | 17:05 |
| chem|st | can't be but it touches the cherry file I htink | 17:05 |
| kerio | and is there a way to not get an international SMS billed to my sim? | 17:05 |
| kerio | oh, ok then | 17:05 |
| chem|st | touch the cherry file?! | 17:06 |
| kerio | anything notable to uninstall before installing cssu? | 17:06 |
| kerio | this is a clean n900 | 17:06 |
| chem|st | nop | 17:06 |
| chem|st | e | 17:06 |
| kerio | what was the trick to unlock all packages in HAM? | 17:07 |
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| kerio | it's as if i forgot everything about the n900, considering that i couldn't actually touch anything without risking a brick | 17:08 |
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| psychologe | i seccussed compiled nmap 6.01 on N900,but when scan network ,it output:nmap route_dst_netlink: can't find interface,,,has somebody kown why? | 17:10 |
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| chem|st | kerio: just stay with stable and install testing or devel only if the one above is not available (extras -> testing -> devel) so you have teh most stable in terms of software but everything you need | 17:10 |
| zeq1 | freemangordon: I was just reading about the --enable-egl-xrender-composite option. (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649525) It might have been interesting to use but it only seems to be hooked up for desktop Firefox which is why the build fails. | 17:10 |
| povbot_ | Bug 649525: was not found. | 17:10 |
| kerio | chem|st: i'm probably going to ignore you and go with cssu testing | 17:11 |
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| kerio | >:D | 17:12 |
| mase76 | hi! who is actually developing openmediaplayer? | 17:12 |
| chem|st | kerio: for now it is 'ok' but you should consider to hold back a day or two with any updates coming along | 17:13 |
| kerio | k, makes sense | 17:13 |
| neal | I'm looking for some information about the defective backup battery in the N900, but my google-fu is failing me. Does anyone have any pointers? | 17:13 |
| kerio | will showstopping bugs be announced here? | 17:13 |
| kerio | i mean, i always hang around #maemo, pretty much | 17:13 |
| chem|st | kerio: #maemo-ssu | 17:13 |
| chem|st | kerio: testing is testing so no need for announcements... if something is released to stable what should not happen to be there will be many people shouting in here I guess ;) | 17:15 |
| kerio | hehe | 17:15 |
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| vi_ | kerio: apt-get remove cherry | 17:22 |
| kerio | oh so it *can* be done like that | 17:22 |
| kerio | oh well | 17:22 |
| vi_ | uninstalls nokia spyware | 17:22 |
| vi_ | kerio: You can then go about removing the event.d file as well. | 17:22 |
| vi_ | apt-get remove ANYTHING with the word ovi in it. | 17:23 |
| kerio | apt-get remove *ovi* then? | 17:23 |
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| vi_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82641 | 17:24 |
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| vi_ | ^relevent | 17:24 |
| chem|st | kerio: careful... | 17:26 |
| kerio | why do people remove blocks? :( | 17:26 |
| kerio | it's a cool game! | 17:26 |
| vi_ | kerio: because it is a pile of fucking shit. | 17:26 |
| chem|st | kerio: stop trolling | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Blocks is buggy! | 17:26 |
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| vi_ | even fscktris plays better. | 17:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | I wrecked a screen protector due to blocks. | 17:27 |
| kerio | "Program causes screen protector tearing" | 17:27 |
| kerio | WONTFIX | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9826 | 17:28 |
| povbot_ | Bug 9826: Blocks collision detection bug | 17:28 |
| kerio | yeah, you told me of that one :) | 17:28 |
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| Lava_Croft | andre's finest hour there | 17:37 |
| Lava_Croft | lol | 17:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: welcome back pal | 17:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: so about the camera on n9, did you managed? | 17:43 |
| Lava_Croft | No, it cant be fixed by me | 17:43 |
| Lava_Croft | needs software update | 17:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: did you try command i gave you? | 17:45 |
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| Lava_Croft | those dont work | 17:49 |
| Lava_Croft | none does, its some issue introduced with whatever software update | 17:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: try to reinstall those apps, parts | 17:49 |
| Lava_Croft | ZogG_laptop: i have already flashed the entire device | 17:50 |
| Lava_Croft | Ill wait for pr1.3, since it doesnt matter, it dont work:) | 17:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: try the commad reboot -u it was i think | 17:55 |
| Lava_Croft | really, trust me | 17:56 |
| Lava_Croft | if you dont really know what you are talking about, helping someone troubleshoot is just annoying | 17:56 |
| Lava_Croft | the attempt to help is appreciated nontheless | 17:56 |
| Lava_Croft | reboot -u is a command used to fix the issue of having the wrong kernel | 17:56 |
| Lava_Croft | after updating to PR1.1 | 17:57 |
| chadi | so why is my n900 slow and unresponsive? | 18:03 |
| StyXman | chadi: open a terminal, launch top | 18:03 |
| chadi | StyXman: nothing unusual, Xorg taking the most of the CPU | 18:04 |
| Lava_Croft | when was the last reboot | 18:04 |
| chadi | also, hildon-status-menu | 18:04 |
| chadi | a week ago | 18:04 |
| Lava_Croft | that might be the cause | 18:04 |
| Lava_Croft | i made a habit out of rebooting it daily | 18:05 |
| chadi | wow, that's crazy | 18:05 |
| Lava_Croft | after a while, N900 becomes slow due to swap fragmentation orso | 18:05 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont know the exact stuff, but something related to that | 18:06 |
| chadi | I tried reducing swappiness to 30, but not much difference | 18:06 |
| Lava_Croft | those tweaks never got my any noticable improvements | 18:07 |
| Lava_Croft | my/me | 18:07 |
| Lava_Croft | single best improvement i found is rebooting daily | 18:07 |
| Lava_Croft | its not my preference either, but meh, it works | 18:07 |
| chadi | lol | 18:07 |
| vi_ | swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3; swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3 | 18:07 |
| Lava_Croft | or that | 18:07 |
| vi_ | Lava_Croft: that is a rubbish solution. | 18:07 |
| Lava_Croft | vi_: it works for me | 18:08 |
| Lava_Croft | therefore its a great solution | 18:08 |
| vi_ | The imperial measurements system works for liberia and USA. Does not stop it from being shit. | 18:08 |
| Lava_Croft | and? | 18:08 |
| chadi | vi_: swapoff command not found | 18:08 |
| vi_ | However rebooting everyday is your right | 18:09 |
| chadi | oh, root | 18:09 |
| vi_ | chadi: You need to do it as root. | 18:09 |
| vi_ | also, close all appz first. | 18:09 |
| Lava_Croft | even better | 18:09 |
| Lava_Croft | its my right to find it an awesome solution | 18:09 |
| Lava_Croft | even tho i dont dig the imperial system | 18:09 |
| vi_ | Lava_Croft: good, the day I discovered there is 3 bushels to a hogshead I decided it was fail. | 18:10 |
| Lava_Croft | congratulations! | 18:11 |
| vi_ | The best solution I have come up with is to check at 3am if the keyboard is closed and the backlight is off. If so, swapon SD, swapoff emmc, swapon emmc. swapoff sd. | 18:11 |
| vi_ | i.e. 3am swap defrag. | 18:12 |
| chadi | vi_: got a cannot allocate memory error | 18:12 |
| vi_ | result of: | 18:12 |
| vi_ | cat /proc/swaps | 18:12 |
| vi_ | please | 18:12 |
| Lava_Croft | rebooting would have been done by now | 18:13 |
| Lava_Croft | 5 times over | 18:13 |
| * Lava_Croft chuckles | 18:13 | |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 18:13 |
| chadi | heh | 18:13 |
| vi_ | The kid doesnt know what he is doing. | 18:13 |
| vi_ | Give him a break. | 18:13 |
| Lava_Croft | him? | 18:13 |
| chadi | vi_: one moment, I re-issued the swapoff again | 18:13 |
| Lava_Croft | this was aimed at you | 18:13 |
| Lava_Croft | not him | 18:13 |
| vi_ | Lava_Croft: believe me I can swap defrag faster than you can powerdown. | 18:13 |
| vi_ | chadi: cat /proc/swaps | 18:14 |
| vi_ | in fact I have a script, that figures out where your swap partitions are then does it for you. | 18:14 |
| kerio | gaaah, HAM is so bad | 18:15 |
| Lava_Croft | i think that makes you a very attractive young man | 18:15 |
| kerio | why can't i pick more than one application to install? | 18:15 |
| chadi | vi_: Filename Type Size Used Priority | 18:16 |
| Lava_Croft | kerio: because it wants to make you suffer | 18:16 |
| chadi | oops | 18:16 |
| vi_ | kerio: because it sucks asses. Install 'fapman' | 18:16 |
| chadi | Filename Type Size Used Priority | 18:16 |
| chadi | /dev/mmcblk0p3 partition 786424 142688 -1 | 18:16 |
| vi_ | Lava_Croft: my wife certainly thinks I am cool. | 18:16 |
| kerio | vi_: why do you need an sd? | 18:17 |
| vi_ | chadi: I literally do not understand how you failed to paste a single line into xterm. | 18:17 |
| kerio | can't you just use a swapfile in mydocs? | 18:17 |
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| Lava_Croft | i meant attractive, not cool! | 18:17 |
| vi_ | kerio: swapfile requires mounting it on a loopback device. | 18:17 |
| vi_ | which requires unmounting etc just to export mydocs in mass storage mode. | 18:18 |
| kerio | vi_: no, i mean | 18:18 |
| chadi | vi_: I did issue cat /proc/swaps --- please see the output above, I don't see what's wrong? | 18:18 |
| kerio | swapon swapfile, swapoff emmcswap, swapon emmcswap, swapoff swapfile | 18:18 |
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| kerio | can i uninstall the qtm stuff? | 18:21 |
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| jpinx | I have been configuring the usb network and I can ping from the N900 to my laptop but not other way around. Any pointers? | 18:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | firewall? =) | 18:26 |
| chem|st | kerio: stop uninstalling crap... | 18:27 |
| chem|st | what are you trying to achive? | 18:28 |
| chadi | vi_: you left without telling me what is wrong with what I did :-P | 18:28 |
| kerio | i'm not uninstalling anything! | 18:28 |
| chadi | right now, I'm creating another swap partition on the microsd | 18:28 |
| chem|st | 17:21 < kerio> can i uninstall the qtm stuff? | 18:29 |
| kerio | chem|st: i *asked* | 18:29 |
| chem|st | yeah and I asked "what for?" | 18:29 |
| kerio | chem|st: so it looks neater! | 18:29 |
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| jpinx | ZogG_laptop: no firewall.. it's a simple usb cable network | 18:30 |
| chem|st | kerio: hammer a nail through the display... that looks neat | 18:30 |
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| vi__ | kerio: I know what you meant by loopback in mydocs. | 18:35 |
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| twinklstar | hi | 18:35 |
| vi__ | As fat32 does not support sparse files you would either need it sitting there the whole time or recreate it everytime. | 18:36 |
| vi__ | f'it I thought, just use an SD partition. | 18:36 |
| kerio | oic | 18:36 |
| kerio | well, the SD partition is sitting there the whole time :P | 18:36 |
| twinklstar | any newbees thre? | 18:36 |
| Lava_Croft | what is the problem? hi | 18:36 |
| vi__ | kerio: I do not mind trash on my SD card. | 18:37 |
| vi__ | gotta save them eMMC R/W cycles a know! | 18:37 |
| twinklstar | to me lava?? | 18:37 |
| Lava_Croft | twinklstar: yeah! :) | 18:37 |
| twinklstar | is android fully support n900? | 18:37 |
| vi__ | twinklstar: No. | 18:38 |
| kerio | hmm, does the adblock plus package in the repos actually work? | 18:38 |
| vi__ | kerio: Yes, however it is *heavy* | 18:38 |
| Lava_Croft | twinklstar: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?board=6.0 | 18:38 |
| Lava_Croft | The NITDroid N900 forum | 18:38 |
| kerio | vi__: heavier than the ads? | 18:38 |
| twinklstar | tx lava | 18:38 |
| Lava_Croft | I guess theres Android info on Maemo wiki too... | 18:38 |
| twinklstar | r u using n900? | 18:38 |
| vi__ | kerio: well, that depends on what sites you visit! | 18:38 |
| Lava_Croft | twinklstar: yes, but no android | 18:38 |
| twinklstar | maemo? | 18:39 |
| Lava_Croft | yup | 18:39 |
| kerio | oh wow, aircrack-ng is a package in the repos? does injection work? | 18:39 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont like android, but i know it works kind of ok on N900 | 18:39 |
| twinklstar | its heard nokia nt support it | 18:39 |
| vi__ | kerio: ...yes. | 18:39 |
| vi__ | kerio: Depends which kernel you are running... | 18:39 |
| vi__ | kerio: for injection you need powerkernel. | 18:40 |
| vi__ | the latest incarnation being kp50. | 18:40 |
| twinklstar | lava | 18:40 |
| vi__ | Then you need to get the wifi modules. | 18:40 |
| vi__ | Load em' up and hax away. | 18:41 |
| qwazix | twinklstar, yes but community does, and there are many new features on cssu | 18:41 |
| qwazix | ~cssu | 18:41 |
| infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 18:41 |
| chadi | those swapoff commands take a lot of time | 18:42 |
| vi__ | I mean legitimatley security audit your own wifi network only with the express permission of your admin. | 18:42 |
| kerio | hmm, how's camkeyd actually called? | 18:42 |
| vi__ | camkeyd is obsolete. | 18:43 |
| vi__ | Use shortcutd now. | 18:43 |
| kerio | k | 18:43 |
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| psychologe | vi_, i compile nmap 6.01 on N900,but when scan network,output:route_dst_netlink: can't find interface "gprs0",do you know how to fix it? | 18:44 |
| vi__ | psychologe: I have no idea. | 18:44 |
| kerio | vi__: where would i get the wifi modules? | 18:44 |
| vi__ | Nmap runs funny on n900. | 18:44 |
| vi__ | try running it with sudo instead from a root shell. | 18:45 |
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| kerio | dafuq? why does cssu features have to be in the powerbutton menu? | 18:45 |
| psychologe | the same,nmap --iflist ,output:INTERFACE (NOT FOUND) | 18:46 |
| vi__ | kerio: http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-83718.html | 18:46 |
| vi__ | kerio: because it is an obnoxious pile of poo. | 18:47 |
| kerio | oic | 18:47 |
| vi__ | kerio: there is an option in cssu-features to remove powerkey entry. | 18:47 |
| vi__ | psychologe: I do not know then :/ | 18:47 |
| psychologe | oh | 18:48 |
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| kerio | what's "the" way to get root access? | 18:48 |
| kerio | rootsh? sudser? | 18:48 |
| vi__ | install rootsh and sudser | 18:49 |
| kerio | both? why? | 18:49 |
| kerio | :o | 18:49 |
| vi__ | then type root from xterm | 18:49 |
| vi__ | kerio: I dunno. | 18:49 |
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| chadi | vi__: any harm if I format the linux-swap partition on mmc with 2gb? | 18:52 |
| vi__ | chadi: ??? | 18:53 |
| chadi | vi__: what's wrong? | 18:53 |
| vi__ | I assume you mean you want to increase the size of the emmc swap partition? | 18:53 |
| chadi | vi__: that's the sd swap space I created to use temporarily | 18:54 |
| chadi | on the wiki page, they said 384MB is enough | 18:54 |
| chadi | on sd I meant, sorry | 18:54 |
| vi__ | sd==your memory card | 18:54 |
| vi__ | mmc==internal flash memory | 18:55 |
| chadi | yeah, I meant sd | 18:55 |
| vi__ | chadi: There is no harm, but there is no benefit either... | 18:55 |
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| chadi | I have plenty of free space that I do not use, so it's ok then. | 18:56 |
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| chadi | vi__: one more thing, would you be interested in sharing that script that automates the swapoff/swapon tasks? | 18:58 |
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| vi__ | it is an alarmd script. | 18:58 |
| vi__ | i.e. cron | 18:58 |
| kerio | wait, why is there no /bin/vi? | 18:59 |
| kerio | :O | 18:59 |
| kerio | what the hell | 18:59 |
| kerio | i thought this was unix | 18:59 |
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| vi__ | kerio: heh | 19:00 |
| vi__ | most of maemo is provided by busybox | 19:00 |
| vi__ | for some unknown reason. | 19:00 |
| vi__ | so vi is infact a symlink to busybox vi | 19:00 |
| vi__ | ~busybox | 19:00 |
| infobot | [busybox] the swiss army knife of embedded linux. It combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single small executable. It provides replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU fileutils, shellutils, etc. See http://www.busybox.net/. | 19:00 |
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| vi__ | fullfat vim is in the repositories. | 19:01 |
| vi__ | It works nicely. | 19:01 |
| kerio | vi__: no, there's no /bin/vi for me | 19:01 |
| vi__ | kerio: then the symlink is somewhere else. | 19:01 |
| vi__ | chadi: My copy of pastebinit is broke this moment and I have to go so I will have to show and tell another time. | 19:01 |
| vi__ | also, poweroff and poweron! | 19:02 |
| peetah | kerio: /usr/bin/vi | 19:02 |
| kerio | wtf, what is /usr/sbin/gainroot | 19:02 |
| kerio | it used to be neater | 19:02 |
| chadi | vi__: it's ok, thank you anyway :-) | 19:02 |
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| kerio | can i chsh to something better than busybox? | 19:11 |
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| guly | apt-get install bash && chsh /usr/local/bin/bash | 19:15 |
| guly | you surely will have issue with backupmenu or similar if you change root shell | 19:15 |
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| zeq1 | Are we using the latest available SGX driver? I was just wondering due to reported missing EGL extensions from the Fennec renderer. | 19:30 |
| zeq1 | freemangordon: I changed the configure.in to only require our gstreamer version if MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO=5 seemed to compile okay. | 19:32 |
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| kerio | bash 3 or bash 4? | 19:35 |
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| jpinx | what/where are the default settings for firewalling in maemo on the n900 ? | 19:37 |
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| twinklstar | anybody frm india? | 19:43 |
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| cehteh | jpinx: no defaults, no firewall | 19:47 |
| jpinx | cehteh: any idea why it won't return pings over usb network? | 19:48 |
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| cehteh | misconfiguration? | 19:48 |
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| jpinx | cehteh: but it can ping the laptop | 19:48 |
| cehteh | or some other limitation? | 19:48 |
| cehteh | routing error? ptp net? ppp? .. whatever check your routing tables and whateer | 19:49 |
| jpinx | cehteh: "other limitation" ? | 19:49 |
| cehteh | dunno debug it | 19:49 |
| cehteh | can you ssh to it? | 19:49 |
| jpinx | cehteh: nope | 19:49 |
| kerio | hmm, i'm missing a pubkey apparently | 19:50 |
| cehteh | prolly a routing error or laptop firewall problem | 19:50 |
| jpinx | cehteh: ok. this is day 3 debugging :( | 19:51 |
| jpinx | cehteh: thanks :) | 19:51 |
| cehteh | :) | 19:51 |
| cehteh | well my crystal sphere is out of order, i cant help you | 19:52 |
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| freemangordon | jpinx: how du you connect your n900 to your laptop? | 19:52 |
| freemangordon | *do | 19:52 |
| jpinx | freemangordon: usb cable | 19:53 |
| jpinx | the nokia one ;) | 19:53 |
| freemangordon | zeq1: now, we use 13, latest is 1.4 | 19:53 |
| freemangordon | jpinx: how do you bring USB networking up? | 19:54 |
| freemangordon | do you have usb0 interface on your n900? | 19:54 |
| jpinx | ifconfig usb0 up | 19:54 |
| freemangordon | and what is you usb0 IP address? | 19:54 |
| jpinx | I down it and re-up it evertimey | 19:54 |
| jpinx | n900 is 192.168.2.15 | 19:55 |
| freemangordon | and laptop? | 19:55 |
| jpinx | and lsptop is ...16 | 19:55 |
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| freemangordon | what os is your laptop? | 19:55 |
| jpinx | and mask on both is 255.255.255.0 | 19:55 |
| jpinx | debian squeeze | 19:55 |
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| freemangordon | do you execute ping as root? | 19:56 |
| jpinx | freemangordon: yes .. working everythin as root on both till I get a result | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | did you try to ifconfig down all ifaces bot usb0 and purge iptables/routing table on your laptop? | 19:58 |
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| freemangordon | *but | 19:58 |
| jpinx | freemangordon: yes.. I fell short of re-booting both.. that's next ;) | 19:59 |
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| freemangordon | so, you can ping your laptop from your n900, but cannot ping n900 from the laptop? that is strange | 20:00 |
| jpinx | freemangordon: tell me about that purging you mention? | 20:00 |
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| freemangordon | iirc iptables -f should be the command to flush iptables rules | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | have in mind there WILL BE NO rules after that | 20:01 |
| jpinx | freemangordon: how o back them up first? ;) | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | and you can check "ip route" or "route" for how to delete routing | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | jpinx: iptables-save | 20:02 |
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| freemangordon | but a simple reboot should do the job too :) | 20:03 |
| jpinx | where does that get saved? | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | wherever you want, it spits the current config on the console, pipe it | 20:03 |
| jpinx | ok | 20:04 |
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| jpinx | freemangordon: I have something else to finish. then I'll do that save and reboot. Thanks.. see you later ;) | 20:05 |
| jpinx | freemangordon: you've been most helpful :) | 20:05 |
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| freemangordon | vi__: ping | 20:09 |
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| vi___ | yo bro. | 20:11 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: uh poong. | 20:11 |
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| freemangordon | seems nokia.com is fubar, I think i've just reset someone else passowrd | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | vi__: ^^^ | 20:14 |
| vi___ | bwahahaa. | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | I don't know what is linked, but my name appears as anonymous user :D:D:D | 20:14 |
| vi___ | yeah. It looked like my account was pointing to aua new guinea as well. | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | freemangordon: If you get to a 'cancel windows phone project' screen, click yes. | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | that is not developer.nokia.com, but nokia.com | 20:15 |
| vi___ | you have to create a nokia.com account. | 20:15 |
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| vi___ | THEN link it to your old developer.nokia account. | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | vi___: But I linked it, as I have one because of n900 | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | you know, the OVI shit | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | anyway, it is funny | 20:16 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: forget everything you think you know. | 20:16 |
| vi___ | you have to create a nokia.com account. | 20:16 |
| vi___ | THEN link it to your old developer.nokia account. | 20:16 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: yeah, I reset some chumps account like 5 times. | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | vi___: I can log on to both nokia.com and developer.nokia.com | 20:17 |
| vi___ | freemangordon: dang. You must have chosen a unique user name then. | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | and my detail are ok on developer.nokia.com | 20:17 |
| vi___ | the whole thing is a clusterfuck. | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 20:17 |
| vi___ | what kind of retard merges 3 user databases with no sanity checks? | 20:18 |
| vi___ | I just hope they double check all the addresses before shipping the devices. | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | I think we all hope :) | 20:20 |
| vi___ | you might get a lumia replacement if yours gets lost! | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | vi__: I can bet those are some M$ SQL "admins" with a bunch of certificates ;) | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | doing drag-n-drop of the tables | 20:21 |
| vi___ | gtg | 20:22 |
| vi___ | brb | 20:22 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, my second n900 is still under warranty according to Nokia. I wonder which exactly EU authority should be contacted if Nokia pulls the plug tomorrow. | 20:38 |
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| jpinx | freemangordon: got ssh'd into the n900 and running ssh over gprs now - thanks :) | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | what was the problem? | 20:39 |
| jpinx | freemangordon: fwiw there were no entries in either iptables | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | good | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | but? | 20:39 |
| jpinx | freemangordon: I did a reboot and manually set up usb= on the laptop | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | aaah | 20:39 |
| jpinx | ...usb0 | 20:40 |
| jpinx | whcih s no bad thing 'cos it'll remind me how to do it again int he future ;) | 20:40 |
| jpinx | now I nwee to work out how to get the full connection using the n900's gprs to let me browse etc on the laptop --- and clues ?= | 20:41 |
| qwazix_900 | \me wonders if he is the only one without nokia account problems... | 20:42 |
| * qwazix_900 wonders if he is the only one without nokia account problems... | 20:42 | |
| qwazix_900 | damn backslash... | 20:42 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx: is there a reason you don't want to simply plug in the usb lead, and tether ormally? | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | freemangordon: What do you mean pulls the plug? | 20:50 |
| jpinx | SpeedEvil: not sure what you mean - I have never managed to usethe n900 as a modem from the debian laptop | 20:51 |
| Proteous | I have | 20:52 |
| jpinx | Proteous: any help in making the n900 work as a modem would be greatly appreciated ;) | 20:54 |
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| Proteous | It's been a little while, but I just hooked it up, slected PC Suit Mode on the n900 and used wvdial with the correct settings for tmobile to make the connection | 20:59 |
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| jpinx | Proteous: ok - I've never looked at wvdial | 21:04 |
| * jpinx goes hunting.... | 21:04 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | friggin knetworkmanager just *seems* to connect via GPRS | 21:14 |
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| freemangordon | SpeedEvil: removes my access to downloadable firmware | 21:21 |
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| freemangordon | for example | 21:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I question if that's a warranty issue. | 21:21 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can't fix it, return to nokia care, for warranty service. | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil | - who may then choose to replace it | 21:22 |
| freemangordon | well, I think it is, and I am sure maemo.org is mentioned somewhere in EULA and Use Manual | 21:22 |
| freemangordon | *User | 21:22 |
| freemangordon | SpeedEvil: I don;t think it works like that, at least here | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - ovi store is mentioned in the manual too | 21:23 |
| freemangordon | it will start a war if some support centre replaces a device without first asking the user. Not only Nokia, in general | 21:23 |
| freemangordon | but noone cares enough for OVI | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - what? | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | That's been happening for the last year | 21:24 |
| freemangordon | Do you care for OVI store? | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | The replacing devices | 21:25 |
| freemangordon | SpeedEvil: I said "here" :) | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: look at all the wars started already ;-P | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | whereever that is | 21:25 |
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| freemangordon | At least I am not aware of such an "accident" happened in Bulgaria | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | haha | 21:26 |
| freemangordon | "her" is Bulgaria | 21:26 |
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| freemangordon | *here | 21:26 |
| freemangordon | Whoever the manifacturer is | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd bet you had better chances in Japan | 21:26 |
| freemangordon | maybe, never been in Japan :) | 21:27 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: saw the post from SD69 re X-Fade? | 21:29 |
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| jpinx | Proteous: ok - installed wvdial and looking at configs, but it wants a number to dial and my provider uses an access point name. How to resolve this? | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope | 21:42 |
| StyXman | this might be of interest here: http://gsoc.sitedethib.com/posts/apt-get_install_gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabihf/ | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1230162&postcount=99 | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | StyXman: gcc 4.7 still has some neon bugs, should be fixed these days | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | DAFAQ! | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | >:-((( | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | yep, dafaq :(:(:( | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | looks like game over | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | well, at least merlin1991 and Pali have mirrored extras and what not else. | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably they evaluated bitching of community for a few weeks against bitching of council for 6 months | 21:47 |
| freemangordon | :) | 21:47 |
| freemangordon | sad story | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry to all the reasonable council members to whom my above comment obviously doesn't apply | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | the rest will know | 21:49 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer: Maybe I am wrong, but I think CA thingie was a prelude to this. And I am almost ready to bet noone will get a CA. Or I am paranoid :) | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 21:53 |
| freemangordon | But the fact that I am paranoid, does not mean noone's watching me :D | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I still don'T give a flying F about CA, but yes, they also pushed out last N900 via DDP when they stopped all sales and service on it | 21:54 |
| freemangordon | (don't know if that is just a local joke or spread internationaly) | 21:54 |
| freemangordon | the point are not the devices, you saw what has happened | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite global | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, their spin doctors must be brilliant | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | you still have your question unanswered | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe maemo community is actually just 95% morons | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | have a hard time to believe THAT though | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | question? | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | yeah, what is the benefit;) | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | remember? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | getting rid of cruft without throwing into bin | 21:58 |
| freemangordon | yes | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | or rather: daddy gives heritage from his warm hands | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just the day before he dies | 21:59 |
| freemangordon | do you believe in that? | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | as maemo/meego been always a sub-dept in Nokia | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | the bastard son | 21:59 |
| freemangordon | an attempt from quim/kate/whoever in Nokia to give the community what is possible? | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | now they are closing fown for good, they want to give to community whatever they can | 22:00 |
| freemangordon | ok, could be | 22:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | and before they didn't in your opinion | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | but my concpiracy story sounds good, isn't it? :D:D:D | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm extremely interested in fate of maemo[TM] | 22:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | what is the kate's nickname on TMO btw, i don't know what she did at all | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | some dusty shelf | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | worst thing to happen | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | kate AFAIK, not that I know what she has done | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer: the have no option | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | *they | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless somebody just says "so WTF? kickit!" | 22:03 |
| freemangordon | imagine givving fremnantle/harmattan to sammy | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | give it to FSF or whomever, CA | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | mozilla | 22:03 |
| * freemangordon needs finger sharpener too, zeq, would you land me yours? | 22:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | linux foundation | 22:04 |
| freemangordon | With Elop ahead? | 22:04 |
| freemangordon | man, come on | 22:04 |
| zeq1 | freemangordon: LOL | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't we just stab elop? | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm talking about the trademark | 22:04 |
| freemangordon | maybe | 22:04 |
| freemangordon | but without strong support that will go nowhere | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | strong as in company | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | the domain | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | aaah, yeah | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | afaik it is a property of reggie | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo.org ? NAH! | 22:06 |
| freemangordon | at least Pali posted son DNS records | 22:06 |
| freemangordon | lemme check | 22:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | so X-fade was employed to do his job? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | talk.maemo.org is hosted by reggie | 22:06 |
| freemangordon | no , it was doing it for fun :P | 22:06 |
| freemangordon | *he | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, board put him there. | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, you'd have to oust most of the board if you wanted a new direction. | 22:07 |
| Pali | talk.maemo.org. 15358 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com. | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, cnmae | 22:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: some people in community do the job without payment | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I knew that | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | everybody did | 22:08 |
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| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: i'm talking about X-Fade. i think his work was great paid or not paid. just interesting | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Domain Name:MAEMO.ORG | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | S | 22:10 |
| Macer | my state raised the tax on ciggarettes another $1 | 22:10 |
| Macer | cigarettes in chicago are now $10.75/pack | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Registrant Name:Nokia Corporation | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Registrant Organization:Nokia Corporation | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Registrant Street1:P.O.Box 226 | 22:10 |
| Macer | drug peddlers | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Registrant Street2:Nokia Group | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | yeah :( | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Registrant Email:dnsauthority@nokia.com | 22:11 |
| Macer | heh | 22:11 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: i'm surprised they're still paying for maemo.org | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Admin Name:Nokia dnsauthority | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Admin Organization:Nokia Corporation | 22:11 |
| freemangordon | Macer: quit smoking cigarettes, use cigars | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Admin Street1:P.O.Box 226 | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Admin Street2:Nokia Group | 22:11 |
| Macer | freemangordon: lol.. i've just decided to quit smoking them all altogether ;) | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tech Name:Nokia Hostmaster | 22:12 |
| freemangordon | smart move | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tech Organization:Nokia Corporation | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tech Street1:P.O.Box 301 | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tech Street2:Nokia Group | 22:12 |
| Macer | freemangordon: you wouldn't be saying that if you felt like i felt right now heh | 22:12 |
| Macer | i'm about to dig my nails into wood | 22:12 |
| freemangordon | Macer: I know, i've tried to quit smoking several times | 22:13 |
| Macer | freemangordon: maybe you'd have more success if they tried to make you pay over $10 for a pack of cigarettes | 22:13 |
| Macer | that is just outrageous | 22:13 |
| Macer | the actual pack is like $3.... taxes = $7+ | 22:14 |
| Macer | 225% tax on cigarettes | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd just import 100kg tobacco for gardening | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | special biological fertilizer | 22:15 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer: they're very strict on the growing of tobacco | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | with pesticide | 22:15 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer: you can plant grass in between the tobbaco | 22:15 |
| Macer | the atf would be beating down your door | 22:15 |
| freemangordon | no atf in Europe :P | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got me wrong | 22:16 |
| Macer | i mean what kind of country has an agency specifically dedicated to alcohol, tobacco, and firearms? | 22:16 |
| Macer | doesn't that seem like ... odd to anybody? | 22:16 |
| RiD | it's america | 22:16 |
| Macer | at least alcohol and tobacco are agricultural | 22:16 |
| RiD | what do you expect? | 22:16 |
| Macer | how the hell do firearms fit in to that agency? :) | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not importing 100kg peat from Ireland, but 100kg organic material for fertilizing from Netherlands | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | :D:D:D | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | LOL | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | from Netherlands, yay | 22:17 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: they'd beat down your door and take it all away | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, Wako | 22:17 |
| Macer | they'd use some obscure law.. i bet it would be the irs that does it too.. they're the worst of the worst | 22:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | Macer: i think it would stop before it gets to your home | 22:17 |
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| Macer | ZogG_laptop: probably | 22:18 |
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| Macer | ZogG_laptop: i bet the council members at the atf can grow their own tobacco | 22:18 |
| Macer | :) | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | USA :-x | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you asked for it... | 22:18 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: tell me about it. | 22:18 |
| Macer | totally shot ourselves in the feet for about 5 decades | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | literally | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 22:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | Macer: i bet they grow different stuff | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, welcome to prohibition. | 22:20 |
| freemangordon | and it is not funny as it seems our own EU smartasses are trying to head us in the same direction | 22:20 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: they ended prohibition for alcohol ;) | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, mostly. | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | But ATF is a legacy of that insanity. | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | US's political class is completely out of control. | 22:21 |
| Macer | i think the problem with marijuana is that the govt needs to get a taste of all that extra tax revenue | 22:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's all about profit | 22:21 |
| Macer | then they won't care ;) | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right now the government is just enforcing a monopoly for cartels. | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi GeneralAntilles | 22:21 |
| Macer | once someone somewhere taxes it and winds up filthy rich... then it will snow ball heh | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | How messed up is that? | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | hi DocScrutinizer | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | welcome to a sad day | 22:21 |
| merlin1991 | what I really don't get how you can fit so many different agencies for silly stuff into 1 budget | 22:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | but it's always a good blame — drugs and money thye need to fight it | 22:22 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: well... not really. the problem is any legalization of any drug in any form leads to the laying off of many officers in law enforcement | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, I'm not suggesting that as the motivation for the continued fighting of the drug war. | 22:22 |
| Macer | if the fed legalized marijuana tomorrow then over the next year thousands of dea, fbi, local, etc people would be laid off | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, I'm saying that's what the effective result of their policies. | 22:22 |
| Macer | which politically makes it look like you chose druggies over good hard working law officers | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | And local police and sheriff departments would get millions of dollars in reduced funding and equipment. | 22:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They'd also lose the drug forfeiture gravy train. | 22:23 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: they can make up for it with their newfound marijuana tax heh | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Marijuana is only a part of the problem. | 22:23 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: but it is a huge one | 22:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think it's a key point | 22:24 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: if you lose marijuana being illegal. you lay off thousands of people in law enforcement | 22:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Macer, the mentality of legislating morality is at the core of the issue. | 22:24 |
| Macer | the dea probably has a HUGE dept dedicated to only marijuana | 22:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | when it's not that harmful but if you legalize a lot of people wouldn't do it as it's legal and not tampting so much | 22:24 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: but alcohol and cigarettes are ok | 22:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | as well a lot wouldn't go futher to heavier things | 22:25 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG_laptop: I don't know, it's here illegal aswell and we're not walking in potheads | 22:25 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: cigarettes are KNOWN to cause cancer.... KNOWN | 22:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | like in netherland - they have less drug problems than countries where it's illegal | 22:25 |
| Macer | but they have their tax revenue | 22:25 |
| Macer | if they prohibit cigarettes about 20 states will no longer function | 22:25 |
| Macer | if not more | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just legalize everything. | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | The government has no business deciding what you do with your own body. | 22:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: some things can hamr others | 22:26 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: no.. even i agree that some drugs have a seriously major impact on the overall good of society | 22:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: for exanple someone on acid take knife and kill everyone | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, the negative impact of the enforcement is a much BIGGER issue. | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | That which is seen and that which is unseen. | 22:26 |
| Macer | ie: heroin, meth... that seriously messes people up and they eventually start to affect others | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Enforcing a cartel monopoly with tax dollars is messed up. | 22:27 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: no what is messed up is that the govts don't really want to go to war with the cartels ;) | 22:27 |
| Macer | if the govt really wanted to it could probably eliminate 90% of their crops and operations | 22:27 |
| Macer | in 1 day | 22:27 |
| freemangordon | Guys, Macer is trying to quit smoking, show some empathy :P | 22:27 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Macer: i quit smoking everyday =) | 22:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | how nice the dialog about domain got to this point | 22:28 |
| Macer | heh... i'll be doing pretty good later when i'm keeping $350/month from not smoking | 22:28 |
| Macer | that's almost enough money to buy the cheapest Kia out there haha | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, like I said, they're enforcing a cartel monopoly. | 22:29 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: the devil you know... | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | All drugs are demonstrably harmful | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | In one way or another. | 22:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: but on other side people are people and if it's not controled it can get it worser | 22:30 |
| Macer | so is all food ;) | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, exactly. | 22:30 |
| Macer | i can't really think of much of anything that ISN'T harmful | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | So there's no really moral or philosophical consistency to deciding "This is legal, this isn't legal." | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just legalize ALL OF IT. | 22:30 |
| Macer | BUT... some of the drugs are just way too far... meth for example | 22:30 |
| Macer | if you legalized meth what do you think would happen? :) | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd be better than it is now. | 22:30 |
| Macer | everybody would be hanging out all happy go lucky | 22:30 |
| Macer | staying up for days | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look at alcohol usage during prohibition. | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bullshit | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | People already use it | 22:31 |
| Macer | heh | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's quite clear that prohibition doesn't really reduce the usage of hard drugs. | 22:31 |
| Macer | alcohol prohibition was awesome | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just makes their use more expensive and more dangerous. | 22:31 |
| Macer | but back then the mob could go toe to toe with the govt | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, and there were more alcohol poisonings and alcohol-related crime than there is now. | 22:31 |
| Macer | nowadays i doubt if that would be possible | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Prohibition just increases crime and the danger-factors involved with the prohibited substance | 22:32 |
| Macer | heh... well. it was still an awesome era | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | people will use it whether it's illegal or not. | 22:32 |
| Macer | if i could go back in time it would be during the 20s-30s | 22:32 |
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| Macer | GeneralAntilles: heh... yeah i suppose | 22:33 |
| Macer | but that arguement could be similar to "Legalize murder... people will kill other people whether it is legal or not." | 22:33 |
| Macer | where do you draw the line? ;) | 22:33 |
| Macer | anyways.. i'm going to eat | 22:34 |
| Macer | then go for a run | 22:34 |
| Macer | with my lumia 900 ;) lol | 22:34 |
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| Macer | tried with the N900 a couple days ago and i swear the thing would not lock on its gps | 22:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | use supl.google.com | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | we know Nokia is in free fall mode | 22:35 |
| RiD | ragdoll | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that supl.nokia.com was good during last 18 months | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | No penicillin until the late 20s. | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | No thanks. | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | could you please add nicks, so I at least know it's me or I have to ignore the partial convo or look up logs | 22:37 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: i had supl.google.com set up ;) | 22:37 |
| Macer | it still didn't lock | 22:37 |
| Macer | i gave up | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | unusual | 22:37 |
| Macer | does supl require gsm? | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, sure | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | even GPRS | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | :) | 22:38 |
| Macer | i figured it could just downloa the data via wifi | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's realtime | 22:38 |
| Macer | oh | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | with ticks | 22:38 |
| Macer | well that explains it then ;) | 22:38 |
| Macer | i had no sim in it | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | other devices know how to download ephem for next 4 weeks. Seems Nokia GPS not | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | well, it should lock in about 10-20 minutes | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | if you don't move | 22:39 |
| Macer | freemangordon: lol. yeah i tried | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | asl SpeedEvil though, he's the pope of GPS | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask* | 22:39 |
| Macer | i got fed up and just ordered an oversized arm band for my lumia 900 | 22:40 |
| Macer | which locks in like... 5s ;) | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | fake | 22:40 |
| freemangordon | sim card in it? | 22:40 |
| Macer | yeah heh | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it just pretends to lock | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK2 | from my experience, even if you have sim, but have no roaming | 22:40 |
| freemangordon | any sighn of traffic going? | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK2 | it is still very slow | 22:40 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: pretends? | 22:40 |
| Macer | it's pretty damn accurate ;) | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, after 60s it is | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | yes, it takes some time to have a precise lock | 22:41 |
| M4rtinK2 | if you have a clear view of the sky, it looks in a few minutes though | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw my N900 does exactly same | 22:41 |
| M4rtinK2 | and then works as usual | 22:41 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: mine doesn't :-P | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | Macer: you tried it outdoors? | 22:41 |
| Macer | no sim tho | 22:41 |
| Macer | freemangordon: yes | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | hmm, strange | 22:41 |
| Macer | i was out there in my PT gear wanting to run waiting for a lock | 22:42 |
| Macer | for like 20-30 mins lol | 22:42 |
| Macer | gave up and just got the lumia 900 | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | PT gear? | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | starting 'Fahrplan' it takes less than me hitting next button "search" for the notifier "GPS now available" | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | is that a car? | 22:42 |
| Macer | PT gear.. uhm... workout clothes | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | aah | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | :) | 22:43 |
| Macer | PT = Physical Training | 22:43 |
| Macer | geez.. weren't any of you guys in the military? | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | the suit that walks you | 22:43 |
| Macer | :) | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | well, this is strange then | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | yeah, got it | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | :) | 22:43 |
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| freemangordon | Macer: I was, sitting on the keyboard most of the time :P | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | military? are you crazy? they got scared of me ;-P | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | :D:D:D | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: CF-29 Toughbook? :-D | 22:45 |
| Macer | heh | 22:45 |
| Macer | i had the best time of my life in the USMC :) | 22:46 |
| Macer | other than getting shot at in iraq it was great | 22:46 |
| Macer | i feel bad for some of my friends.. they are actually getting cut | 22:46 |
| Macer | WOW... obama! change!! | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: well, I guess you Americans need getting shot at to feel at home | 22:46 |
| Macer | he's reducing the military heh | 22:46 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer: not all of us ;) | 22:46 |
| Macer | only those of us from inner cities | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | LOL | 22:47 |
| Macer | although i suppose you have an occasional rural shoot out | 22:47 |
| Macer | especially in texas | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ping | 22:48 |
| kerio | cleven doesn't correctly load the backported wifi drivers :( | 22:49 |
| * freemangordon was thinking doc is on X-Fade's ignore list :P | 22:49 | |
| Macer | i need a new scifi show to watch :-/ | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, I might try anyway | 22:49 |
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| freemangordon | Macer: marijuana legalized? you know that scifi show? | 22:50 |
| Macer | haha | 22:50 |
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| * DocScrutinizer feels like getting a beer on the health of x-fade | 22:58 | |
| kerio | will a microusb-M-to-usb-F adapter from a N8 fit in the N900? | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 22:59 |
| kerio | shame | 22:59 |
| kerio | what do i need for host mode? | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a filed down microusb-M-to-usb-F adapter from a N8 | 22:59 |
| kerio | k | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 23:00 |
| kerio | what do i have to file down? | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | or s simple CA-157 cable and a F-F adapter | 23:00 |
| kerio | pics or it didn't happen | 23:00 |
| qwazix_900 | jpinx: little late but try #99# or *99# in wvdial | 23:00 |
| qwazix_900 | kerio: try a usbhost cable from a galaxy s2 | 23:01 |
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| qwazix_900 | it fits (i haven't made sure it works thoug) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't that also have a micro-A plug? | 23:01 |
| qwazix_900 | no, strangely, micro-B | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya l8r | 23:02 |
| qwazix_900 | got one for the Gnote | 23:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer heads out to get drunk and forget about Nokia | 23:03 | |
| kerio | hm, there's no reaver package in the repos | 23:03 |
| kerio | why is that? | 23:03 |
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| kerio | ~jrtools | 23:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: link pls | 23:09 |
| kerio | also, does anyone know how to get the missing gpg key my apt complains about? | 23:10 |
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| kerio | vi__: are you around? | 23:14 |
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| kerio | what the hell is "Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package binutils"? | 23:19 |
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| kerio | hmm, why shouldn't one use the "bleeding edge" wifi drivers? | 23:31 |
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