IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-06-27

M4rtinKZogG_lap1op: ok00:00
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qwazix_M4rtinK: thanks :)00:04
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freemangordonZogG_lap1op: it does not make sence men. See, continuing that bullshit talk does help noone. Neither I can understand what YOU really want. And have in mind that I am smart enough and have good enough social skills to understand what is going on. Usually.00:04
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ZogG_lap1opfreemangordon: i just got to point it's hard to stop - i agree, but it's was mine aim all the time. it's just the reaction and answers and ignorance i got for at the begging normal questions lead me here00:07
infobotZogG_lap1op meant: freemangordon: i just got to point it's hard to stop - i agree, but it's wasn't mine aim all the time. it's just the reaction and answers and ignorance i got for at the begging normal questions lead me here00:10
ZogG_lap1opmade whole point wrong by saying one word wrong00:10
freemangordonZogG_lap1op: :) I see. But frankly, do you really trust in that "conspiracy theory"? Come on. See, you were not there (on #maemo) when there was a lot of talk about CA, lots of time before the Council was elected. We were discussing it a lot and you 've missed it. Not that I am accusing you for that, but you just lack the background.00:11
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ZogG_lap1opfreemangordon: yeah i missed a lot on maemo lately as i was more on harmattan lately, and was less in maemo for a year or more00:12
freemangordonZogG_lap1op: and yes, Estel has has said in one form or another that he will wait for the end of subbmissions period before he will decide whether to apply or not00:12
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Venemo_N9aw, get over it man00:13
ZogG_lap1opfreemangordon: and you just have to understand that it doesn't matter if it was talked about or not or whatever, it was just wrong thing to do. and after it was told once excuse from council would be not bad, they kept going with it00:13
ZogG_lap1opVenemo_N9: i hate to close eyes on thing, i was raised to tell in face and i;m stubborn =\00:14
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freemangordonbecause they are right, why it is so hard to understand? it was not the current council to decide the rules.00:15
freemangordonthe rules were decided a good time befire the elections00:15
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ZogG_lap1opfreemangordon: what rules?00:16
ZogG_lap1opi don't believe councils i knew before would do that00:17
freemangordonZogG_lap1op: the rules for CA00:17
ZogG_lap1opfreemangordon: the rules of not judging yourself i think was way before internet =)00:17
ZogG_lap1opand i mean not judging like in spirital way =P00:18
zeqfreemangordon: if you're working on rotation, shall I get the zoom rocker keys working?00:18
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freemangordonzeq: unfortunately I am working on nothing mor but wasting my time :(00:19
Venemo_N9ZogG_lap1op, that's ok. you told it, we agreed, we discussed :(00:19
Venemo_N9:) :)00:19
freemangordontrying to convince some people thay are wrong on the internet :)00:20
Venemo_N9so now let's finish it00:20
zeqYeah, I just got back, and I've been reading the scrollback00:21
zeqI've got nothing to add to the discussion, I wasn't actively involved at the time, and frankly I think it's pretty embarrassing that some people can't let it go and move on.00:25
zeqBut perhaps that's because I'm not emotionally invested.00:25
ZogG_lap1opVenemo_N9: that's the point that there were only 3 lines about it on meeting and it was like "okay okay just leave us" after that.00:27
zeqHey, I wanted an N950 too, but you know what, the N900 is pretty good, and has been getting better for as long as I've had it.00:27
ZogG_lap1opzeq: it's not about me getting one00:28
* freemangordon won't tlee what he will do with his N950, as ZogG_lap1op will post it on TMO in a couple of minutes :P00:28
ZogG_lap1opfreemangordon: you already told =)00:29
ZogG_lap1opfreemangordon: and logs are public anyway00:29
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ZogG_lap1opand i don't care what you would do it00:30
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user_Woody14619: ping00:39
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merlin1991was already wondering who's user_00:40
freemangordonmerlin1991: usually it is vi__00:41
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ZogG_lap1opwhat client does have it by default? =)00:42
vi_irc from 3 places.00:42
merlin1991any proper linux client? :D00:42
merlin1991that runs on the n900? :D00:42
ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: irssi =)00:42
vi_irssi is king.00:42
ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: i used xchat00:42
vi_king like a square headlamp from a late eighties motorcycle.00:43
ZogG_lap1opthere was adopted build afaik00:43
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Estel_freemangordon, thangs a lot for being voice of reasonability...00:44
Estel_But it's quite futile00:44
Estel_we have this in Poland - even worse - something like 20 % of people "know" what is right and what is not00:44
Estel_how "world" should look and how it doesnt look00:44
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Estel_and belive, that they way of seeining things is only one possible00:44
qwazix_glib is finally compiling... let's see...00:44
Estel_we even had prime minister like that, forutnately, only for 2 years :P00:44
Sicelomerlin1991: someone said quassel is best on N900. i use irssi though00:44
Estel_before his own flamewars kicked him out00:45
ZogG_lap1opcoins has 2 sides00:45
Estel_same here00:45
ZogG_lap1opall yo ucan say can be assumed to you00:45
Estel_ZogG, You're one big lack of integrity of what You're saying00:45
Estel_first, You applied to CA00:45
qwazix_yay! done :)00:45
Estel_then, You say that You haven't followed TMO, mailing list, and IRc for more than 2 months, lol00:45
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: and?00:45
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ZogG_lap1opEstel_: i send mail didn't read one00:45
Estel_then, You come here and cry, that it isn't Your fault that You were not interested00:45
Estel_no, I'm done with all post-CA discussions :)00:46
merlin1991Sicelo: hehe00:46
Estel_You know the difference? you act like mdoerate politic00:46
merlin1991people seems to take a liking into moking me lately :D00:46
Estel_and we act meritocrately00:46
Estel_We judged submissions by meritr, not by "someone was councilor, or not"00:46
ZogG_lap1opeven some councils didn't know how you explain it, but i'm tierd. you just can't accept it. and probably you the one in those 20% like you say00:46
Estel_You would like to punish Councilors like they arer politics or whatnot00:46
Estel_they're UNPAID VOLUNTEERS and were eglible to apply. period.00:46
Estel_You would like to copy Your goverment soap opera00:47
Estel_that concludes topic, for me.00:47
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Estel_I suppose, that man judges by himself - you say that You think council couldn't judge other councilor's submission by merit00:47
Estel_probably, You're talking, judging by howe YOU would do it.00:47
Estel_We did it based on merit. End of message :P00:47
dafoxhi all. Today I was/am playing with the dbus interface to the media player on my n900, and I found that for n9/n950 there is a dbus call to get information on the currently playing song ( Does anyone know of something similar for n900's media player?00:48
ZogG_lap1opi'm stoping argue on last thing - i'm volutering my self in real life project, and i do it not to mock everyone that i'm volunteer, no one forced you, and if you decided to be council - great, but do it right, if you don't - don't do it. no one force you00:48
Estel_ZogG, true. And no one have f*cking right to say that Councilor were not eglible to take part in CA00:49
merlin1991dafox yes ther eis00:49
Estel_just because you would like to copy buerocratic standards from real life politics00:49
Estel_it's meritocracy, not politic.00:49
Estel_We don't give a F* about if You think it's "moral" for You, or not. all is based on merit.00:50
dafoxmerlin1991: I know it broadcasts it on start/stop/song change etc, but is there a way to get it 'on demand'?00:50
merlin1991might be in there00:50
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: you saying two opposite things in one sentence and you promied to stop talking about it, it's time to =)00:50
Estel_just out of curiosity, what is opposite?:)00:50
ZogG_lap1op1)we don't give a F*,2) we volunteer and moral00:52
Estel_As far as I'm concerned, I just told Yuo, that we don't care if it's morla for You - we, and communioty that decided about Ca LONG before I was councilor, decided that Council will judge submissions by merit, no matter if submitter is councilor or not.00:52
Estel_We don't give a fuck about Your morality.00:52
dafoxmerlin1991: I saw that page, but it was about the c/python bindings (I'm just playing around with dbus, I have a tiny sh script done atm for just start/stop etc, which is all I need)00:52
ZogG_lap1opso you only care about your particular?00:52
Estel_Communtiy decided, that council will manage to judge submissions by merit, and don't give a F* again, about if someone is councilor, former councilor, or Council hater00:52
Estel_no, I care about what was meritocratily decided months ago00:53
merlin1991dafox: sorry I thought that was the page describin the dbus calls00:53
Estel_not, few buthurts kid try to impose their morality on everyone00:53
merlin1991gimme a few mins to find the proper one :D00:53
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: you can't not to do it, it's human nature =) if you say i wouldn't it still doesn't work00:53
Estel_ZogG, basically irrelevant.00:53
ZogG_lap1opand afaik other council told you actually decided not to judge if you submit00:53
dafoxmerlin1991: I think you may have meant this page then:
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: it is relevant, as you say we as council, but it's your words not all the council's00:54
vi_dafox: media palyer info does appear on dbus but it is totally banana00:54
Estel_what is rellevant is a) there was procedure to decide who will judge b) there was discussion on judges judging themselves, if You like Yoiur stupid comparision to civil trials c) it's Your fuckin fault that You haven't protested, until You lost CA yourself00:54
Estel_ZogG, what a BS?00:54
Estel_where You took that from?00:54
Estel_whole Council took part in deciding.00:54
vi_there is a python wrapper that lets you make dbus call and requests.00:54
Estel_vi_, You bastard, You're against me too? Even after those chjicks and money You send me to get N950?00:55
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: from post of one of the councils, read the thread00:55
Estel_oh, it was meant to be private ;)00:55
ZogG_lap1opoh riiiight00:55
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ZogG_lap1opjokes again when out of arguments00:55
Estel_ZogG, Council answered to this bullshit days ago. I don't answer for personal opinions or confusion of SD69.00:55
ZogG_lap1opyou are total lost man00:55
dafoxvi_ yes, but since I just have a small sh script I don't want to listen on dbus the whole time, as it just invokes the dbus calls from that wiki page to start/stop/next/previous the media player. I just thought it might be nice to also have an 'info' command to show some current information00:55
Estel_ZogG, didn't noticed You're not only one that I discuss with?00:56
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: so why your answer is official and his is personal?00:56
Sicelojeez... that pm ..00:56
Estel_you're not center of univers,e your fuckin hypocritic morality won't be thrown on others. Get used to that.00:56
Estel_ZogG, not my. He answered to, in nowe closed thread00:56
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: i don't claim myself, you do00:56
vi_dafox: Yes it would be nice, I even tried once but without the wrapper it is very hard.00:56
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: and how it makes that answer more official than last one?00:57
Estel_so, lets have fun and go through this meritocratily, step by step:00:57
Estel_tell me, on which point You have problem00:57
Estel_1. on april it was decided who will judge CA, and how councilors will be allowed to submit there00:57
vi_you have to set up a 'tempory' dbus monitor to catch the info then you have to parse and arrange it nicely.00:57
Estel_it was discussed on mailing list, TMO, and IRc, before election00:57
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Estel_now, after point 1 - tell me what You don't get here.00:57
dafoxvi_: hard or impossible? I mean, does such a call even exist for n900, or is the only way to listen for the song change notifications? (the wrapper could be listening all the time)00:57
vi_Estel_: let it go.  zogg is the new abill.00:57
Estel_we will work this out, I'll explain everything to you like Good Father to childs.00:57
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: at you submitting and judging and than when was asked the way you acted and attacked people and than at meeting you suggest ignore and didn't give a f, and now saying you don't give a f00:58
Estel_vi_, I know00:58
Estel_that's why i'm starving him by going point through point00:58
Estel_ZogG, please answer my question.00:58
Estel_I've described You point 1, and i'm asking what You don't get from it00:58
ZogG_lap1opstarving me? i find it funny how people with luck of arguments adn trolls using the word troll just to prove they are right =)00:58
Estel_could you, please, focus on merit and answer my question?00:59
ZogG_lap1opfacts man, re-check the thread00:59
Estel_I've formulated point 1, because we can';t discuss all things at once.00:59
Estel_could you, please, answer what You don't understand from point 1?00:59
Estel_<Estel_> 1. on april it was decided who will judge CA, and how councilors will be allowed to submit there00:59
* Sicelo takes his black a** to bed. seems this CA was some poisoned gift. eew00:59
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: i described you all my points few times, i'm tiered to repeat them. you answers are not related at all anyway00:59
Estel_<Estel_> it was discussed on mailing list, TMO, and IRc, before election00:59
Estel_you're tired? I answered them much more times, that You've asked01:00
vi_guys I have created #ca-ranting for this.01:00
Estel_so either You discuss like adult01:00
Estel_or go FU You.01:00
Estel_we're dissasermbling it to simple points, oficially01:00
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: if you make wrong decision it is still wrong01:00
vi_Estel_: chill out.01:00
Estel_either You want to discuss what You don't udnerstand from every poi9nts, or You're just troll that want flamewar, nothing more.01:00
Estel_ZogG, define You.01:00
ZogG_lap1opand i see few councils thought it would be different or one of you lies01:00
Estel_vi_, i'm in chillout state, I actually have much fun doing it01:01
Estel_ZogG, who is You? community, that decided on april?01:01
Estel_so, you impose, that You know better how Community should acted, and that it acted wrong?01:01
ZogG_lap1ophow is it releated when it was decided and how if the decision was wrong any way01:01
Estel_because Community decided via mailing list, TMo, and IRC01:02
Estel_on april.01:02
Estel_You imply, that You know better, and Community decision is void, because *You* think that it's wrong?01:02
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: as it was mentioned people told that it's not a good idea on irc and on tmo01:02
ZogG_lap1opand a lot just didn't check those01:02
Estel_nope. 1 person did 1 one liner01:02
Estel_geneven on TMO01:02
ZogG_lap1opit still doesn't make you right.01:02
Estel_if You have other sources, please link me to it.01:02
ZogG_lap1opit's like sayying i said i'll kill him, so i told, you had chance to stop me01:03
ZogG_lap1ophow it makes it better?01:03
freemangordonvi_: WOW, you're asking someone to chill out? What date is it today :P01:03
Estel_ZogG, unrelated. community decided. you're no one to judge Community decisions, and request changing them.01:03
Estel_it's basically unrelated, if You like or not, what was decided. It was, and that is sense of point 1.01:04
vi_it just frustrates me to see all this happening on my favourite forum.01:04
Estel_And I'm not trying to attack you personally - i'm just stating facts, it's not relaterd if You or me like it01:04
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: the point is that it is ended on TMO and enuf people understood who are you and how you act. what else i want to discuss with you? i think nothing. i think it only proves or you are ego person or "it's only you right one" and world is broken01:04
Estel_I'm ego person, because I commit my own time to discuss it with You, point by point?01:04
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: what is community?01:04
trxi have no idea what this is about and i dont care, but can #maemo return its focus to Maemo? please? :)01:05
Estel_Community? Participants of discussions, going thourhg mailing list, TMo, IRC, contributors...01:05
ZogG_lap1opyou think people here are not community? people on TMO who said it was conflict of interests are not community?01:05
Estel_ZogG, no, Youre on june01:05
Estel_and we're stikll on april01:05
Estel_it seems that You can't construct any meritocratic argument about "why decision amde by Community on april is null and void"01:05
Estel_lets go to point 201:05
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ZogG_lap1opEstel_: i talk about same people including #harmattan and #maemo and TMO, all those who speak up and shared thanks on my posts. and few of them contributed a lot01:06
Estel_2. CA rules are announced, 5 days latter Ca starts. Rules are announced again, via mailing list, news, TMO, and IRC01:06
trxyeah, listen to GeneralAntilles ! :)01:06
Estel_GeneralAntilles, please, give us a ten minutes to resolve this once for aLL, civil01:06
Estel_I'm going with him point through point :)01:06
ZogG_lap1opyou still mised first point01:06
Estel_ZogG, anything You don't understand or don't agree about point 2?01:06
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Estel_no worries, we will address Your points in ~point 401:07
ZogG_lap1opi just told it doesn't matter how many times and where you told it, the decision was wrong.01:07
ZogG_lap1opit's just pointless01:07
Estel_ZogG, and I ask You, who You're to judge it.01:07
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Estel_it wasn't my decidions, personal. It was how communtiy decided it to be.01:07
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: and who are you to judge?01:07
Estel_if You don't have any problems with point 2, lets move to point 301:07
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: so it wasn;t your decision and you was forced to submit?01:08
Estel_3. Ca runs for 3 weeks, people, including You, send submissions,m so they know rules etc. Councilors send submissions too, everything in public, via mailing list. No one protests. It's also known who will judge and how.01:08
Estel_any problems with point 3?01:08
Estel_of course I submitted on my own, because Community decided that it's ok on point 1, Arpil :)01:08
ZogG_lap1opor you the first to make decision to submit and you knew it may have problems later, i saw your post on TMO yesterday =)01:08
Estel_It was my proposition to make councilors uneglible to take part in Ca, but to my pleasant surprise, Communtiy decided otherwise.01:08
Estel_nope, I submitted last.01:09
Estel_but I never told anyone that I won't submit01:09
Estel_in fact, it was known from April, that I will01:09
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: but you asked to do it, and you just don;t take opportunity to being council and judge without getting phone in any way?01:09
Estel_jsut like 4 others Councilors01:09
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Estel_we've asked Community and Qgil on mailing list, if it's ok, again, and beginning of May01:09
Estel_ok, point 401:09
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: it is 3 other as Woody14619 told straight and understood what it is01:10
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: you go alone i see with point system )01:10
Estel_4. CA results are announced - msot participants, both winners and not, are satisfied and congratulate. Few people who have submitted - and few, who have not - start outcry about how wrong it was for Council to win and judge at the same time01:10
Estel_fair enough?01:10
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ZogG_lap1opsay yourself agree with yourself, than talk to yourself man )01:10
Estel_now, point 1, 2 and 3 give clear results, that problems of people from point 4 are void.01:11
Estel_man, be civil.01:11
ZogG_lap1opyou are lost man, and i don't see any chance thru your ignorance01:11
Estel_Either form correct accusations, or agree, that Your outcry is butthurt.01:11
ZogG_lap1opyou like cartman that tells stories and believe in them =)01:11
ZogG_lap1opit's amusing01:11
Estel_why? Because I spent last 15 minutes, going with You point through point?01:11
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Estel_nothing to continue, we've gone through 4 points. Either You form valid points, where something was done other way than community decided...01:12
Estel_Or You're just butthurt kid, that like flamewar, and nothing else.01:12
ZogG_lap1oppatent your point system please01:12
ZogG_lap1oppeople might still it and make mney01:12
Estel_sure thing, I will call it "how to starce trolls in 4 easy steps"01:13
infobotEstel_ meant: sure thing, I will call it "how to starve trolls in 4 easy steps"01:13
ZogG_lap1oplol, call it self diet of troll =)01:13
Estel_also called "merit, merit, merit, and merit - 4 points to heavens"01:13
Estel_now I hope that you will stop spreading FUD about how Councilors didn't wanted to talk with You.01:13
Estel_and explain You.01:13
Estel_and answer You.01:13
ZogG_lap1opyou talk too much about your merit and how you are so worthy01:13
ZogG_lap1opi hope you don;t get horny just saying it01:14
Estel_if You feel that You got enough attention to stop being butthurt loser, we can officialy close it :)01:14
ZogG_lap1opi'm not  loser, you are =)01:14
Estel_please, be civil. sexual allusions in civil discussioon? Blee.01:14
Estel_oh, I feel so touched by Your argumentums ad persona :( chanop, please!01:14
ZogG_lap1opi feel pitty for you mighty Estel_ the king of merit and justice and community spirit =)01:14
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ZogG_lap1opthere is no report button01:15
Estel_it's really dishearting, that You're calling names, when we had such civil and merit discussion :(01:15
ZogG_lap1opi'm sorry01:15
freemangordonZogG_lap1op: stop it, please01:15
freemangordonI beg you01:15
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: looool wooot, who is loser, butthurt kid and other words you say and than you assume me, nice way to go point sytem =)01:15
Estel_or freemangordon will die of either laugh or sadness.01:15
ZogG_lap1opspeak for yourself01:16
ZogG_lap1opfreemangordon: ok man, it's just funny01:16
freemangordonsadness is the word, but that is not the point01:16
Estel_*tadaam!* after 4 points and a little calling names, our Theatre is closed! Please pay for tickets in offices.01:16
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freemangordonZogG_lap1op: no, it is not, atl least for me01:16
Estel_Now, I promise, I will *never* ever discuss with any butthurt kid about Ca results. i'll drop them link to logs from this irc discussion, instead :P01:17
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Estel_freemangordon, morning ;)01:17
ZogG_lap1opEstel_: please do it01:18
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Estel_Can't we stay friends after all? <sweet magenta flowers with Satan inside>01:18
Estel_null and void :P01:19
vi_this has decended into BS and ad hominem.01:19
Estel_I'kk give You flowers in the morning... *swee voice*01:20
Woody14619vi_ Just now you're noticing this? :P  Btw: Pong. :)01:20
vi_Woody14619: I was going to say fuck dem haterz.01:20
Estel_vi_, luke-jr molested You about selling Your N950?01:20
Estel_I saw him pinging You :P01:20
vi_yeah, he wants one.  Who can blame him.01:21
Estel_absolutely no one. If he can save spare 20k dollars, who knows, maybe he will manage to buy one.01:21
Estel_not from me, of course.01:21
vi_I told him I would trade it for a road lega 2 stroke motorcross bike.01:22
Estel_i'll sell it for 2 millions after 1- years, and send postcard to ZogG01:22
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vi_Estel_: STOP ffs.01:22
Estel_jokng, man01:22
Estel_but You're right, I'll be better sending postcard to Arie01:23
ZogG_lap1ophope is lost01:23
Estel_ok, enough. Stop drinking ;)01:23
Estel_vi_, have You seen Homeworld for N900, recent port?01:23
Estel_I would never belive, that we can have something like this re01:23
Estel_running solely on CPU01:23
Estel_at max details, etc01:24
Estel_freemangordon, any chance to run SDL program on external monitor, via mentioned RPi method?01:24
Estel_or is it like Maemo Ui, no chance?01:24
Estel_SDL sounds quite low-level.01:25
freemangordonEstel_: morning01:25
Estel_and we have already some hits, like Jaggec Alliance 2 or civilization or Homeworld running via SDL01:25
freemangordonNFS what SDL is :)01:25
freemangordonnad besides half-life I am not much into gaming01:26
Estel_direct media layer, that runs on everything, including N90001:26
Estel_freemangordon, haha, noticed by Your nickname01:26
Estel_well, if something is ported to unix-like systems, either by re-writing engine, or becausew released sources etc, you can take it for granted, that it's SDL01:27
freemangordonbut afaik ivgalvez was an SDL and/or games guru. could be wring of course01:27
Estel_wuut? I must ask him01:27
freemangordonI thint there are several threads on TMO he is announcing some new games. Have in mind I might be wrong01:29
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Estel_erm, wasn't it szopin or aapoRantalainen? Especially the latter did SDL01:35
Estel_anyway, i'll ask01:35
freemangordonhmm, both of them iirc01:35
Estel_BTw, good luck on CSSU meeting :) Keeping my thumbs01:35
* Estel_ means that ifYou're wanting to say even 1% of things I think You want to say, then it's worth saying. haha!01:36
freemangordonI told you I have a lot of experience in saying bullshit :P. I could be nearly as good as the natives :D01:37
freemangordonOn the serious not: I was thinking it will be a good Idea a part of the council to participate01:37
* SpeedEvil has been rereading the Harry Dresden books, featuring the white council. 01:38
merlin1991SpeedEvil: they are awesome :D01:38
* SpeedEvil has found this occasionally amusing while reading the threads and comments above.01:38
merlin1991though later in the series it gets rather weird01:38
freemangordon(and that part excludes you Estel_, I really don't want you and DocScrutinizer05 arguing there :P)01:39
SpeedEvilThe notion of the maemo council being able to behead people they don't like :)01:39
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Estel_freemangordon, good idea, jsut drop us a date that You agree on, ok?01:40
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vi_SDL was 'fixed'/ported to n900 by javispedro I think.01:40
Estel_freemangordon, no problem, but me and DocScrutinizer are kind like newly married01:40
Estel_we don't argue anymore01:40
vi_It was one of the 'J' named guys.01:40
Estel_thanks, vi_01:40
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Estel_freemangordon, or You've settled up on date and time, and I missed that?01:41
freemangordonEstel_: it is merlin1991 you have to ask for the date01:41
vi_think of it like directX but cross platform and not closed source.01:41
Estel_I'll try to "assign" (i.e. ask for participate) someon e else, but it may turn out that i'll be only one available01:41
vi_higher level than opengl.01:41
Estel_freemangordon, OK01:41
Estel_vi_, are you sure about higher level?01:42
ZogG_lap1opSpeedEvil: :)01:42
Estel_afaik it's exclusive with open gel, or at least, opengles01:42
vi_Estel_: no01:42
freemangordonEstel_: NFC, I am wating a mil, but I am sure if Council asks merlin1991 he will CC you too01:42
Estel_merlin1991, ping01:42
vi_which way around is it again?01:43
vi_yes, I am sure.01:43
Estel_Could You, please, send Councilors a mail, when You settle up for date and time for next CSSU meeting?01:43
vi_(assembler is at the bottom, the lowest.)01:43
Estel_i.e. the official one, mentioned by freemangordon01:43
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Estel_merlin1991, lokks like You're scrolling through backlog and checking why the heck do I want info?:P01:45
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infobotthanks, user01:46
freemangordonvi_: stop feeding that troll please01:47
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vi___sorry, I could not tell if I was actually connected.01:47
vi___poor reception on this misappropriated wifi.01:48
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FIQ|n900what if a clone were connected...01:48
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.01:48
dsfdsf~assasinate <you know who>01:49
dsfdsf~murder <you know who>01:49
* infobot shoots <you know who> in his sleep01:49
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qwazix_I've hit a wall... Why the hell would a dev package from the SDK repo throw syntax errors?
infobotbite the dist, dsfdsf01:50
Estel_qwazix_, no idea, but Your work is outstanding, too.01:50
qwazix_thanks, hope I reach some result, I'd love to make the N950 a new N90001:51
vi___when did gerbick become so depressing?  Did his wife just leave him?01:52
infobotdsfdsf, <you know who> gave me this package for you. It makes funny ticking sounds, please take it as I'm in a hurry01:52
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vi___~wisdom is the domain of the wizz, which is now extinct.01:53
infobot...but wisdom is already something else...01:53
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infobotrumour has it, wisdom is
infobotwell, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder...01:53
DocScrutinizer05beauty is not wisdom01:54
DocScrutinizer05wisdom is not love01:54
vi___damn you doc01:54
DocScrutinizer05love is not music, MUSIC is the *BEST*01:54
vi___you have locked all the nibbles01:54
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vi___DocScrutinizer05: you have 10 seconds.  What was FZ best album?01:55
DocScrutinizer05zoot allures01:55
DocScrutinizer05dang, 2s over01:56
vi___brb, 8 hours unconcious.01:56
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chem|stEstel_: you cannot just let it be that you are wrong you have to rub it in and show everyone you are above anyone, do you? (mailinglist)01:59
Estel_chem|st, dafuq?02:00
Estel_IIRc my last mail to mailing list was summing where we announced Ca results, and answering tp Andree, that if it didn't landed in mailing list, it was mistake02:01
Estel_reffering to something, or just dropped here to call me names?02:01
chem|stEstel_: a "thanks, we did forget about posting to mailinglist as we are not used to using it" is the right answer02:01
chem|stEstel_: exactly, it was discussed...02:02
Estel_I don't get You man, sorry, but I haven't written any Bs like that02:02
Estel_andre mentioned, that Ca results wer enot announced 2 mailing list02:02
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Estel_and I answered, that it was announced on news, TMO, IRC, Council blog, and if it didn't landed on mailing lsit, it's, indeed, our mistake...02:03
Estel_but nothing like we wanted to hide it or somethikng02:03
Estel_it's literally, almost full quotation of my mail02:03
chem|stEstel_: you defended... in a situation you should admit...02:03
Estel_chem|st, I still don't get You, but, as mailing list is public, i'm sure everyone can make own opinion. IMO, there wasn't any conflict there02:03
Estel_I agreed with Andre, that if didn't landed on ML, it was mistake02:03
Estel_and told him, where we posted it02:03
Estel_got any problem with it? 0_o?02:03
chem|stEstel_: your attitude yes02:04
Estel_*shrugs* in which part of my mail do you have problem about attitude?02:04
Estel_qutoations, please.02:04
Estel_not to mentionm that i don'02:04
Estel_t see much sense in discussing it public on #maemo, but, whatever02:04
chem|styou are defending!02:04
Estel_who? from what?02:05
Estel_quotes, please.02:05
Estel_i'm tired of talking without quotes, links, and merits.02:05
chem|stadmitting that it was a mistake, fine, but then you defend like it does not matter02:05
chem|stEstel_: there are 2 emails, you read both...02:05
Estel_ok, so you basically think it was wrong, that I mentioned where Ca results were announced...02:05
chem|stEstel_: what do you need quotations of your own mail?02:05
Estel_in addition to admitting, that *if8 it didn';t landed in mailing list, it was mistake?02:05
Estel_if it's what You want, I still don't get Your problem, honestly.02:06
Estel_I think that it's absolutely approriate to mention, where results are to be found, if someone got problems finding it, or feel not informed.02:06
Estel_also, due to latest events, it's very important to makr, that no one wanted to hide results, and, that, in fact, results were available, generally, everywhere02:07
Estel_chem|st, form your attitude, it seems that You have personal problems with me. Not that I care - mind You - but i don't necessary like You attacking me like that, on #maemo.02:07
chem|stEstel_: not in this way, appropriate would be what I wrote above02:07
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Estel_After ignoring 30 pages long thread full of insults and bold words, You've granted me "20 insomething" points, for writing that "As per my knowlenge, are is not liked in harmattan, yet, he self imposed himself as a voice of Harmattan"02:08
Estel_have I came here02:08
Estel_and cry about it02:08
Estel_demanding strange explanations from You?02:08
Estel_Please, mind your business with moderating TMO, not only in situations, where You need to mark your existence.02:08
Estel_my reply on mailing list was justified, Polite, and no one except You seem to have problem with it, starting with personthat it was addressed to02:09
Estel_So please, spare me this BS. All right?02:09
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chem|stEstel_: watch it, I am sick of you defending your position as solely right when you are bad-ass wrong02:11
chem|stI note you down that your response was inappropriate and did it here instead of ignoring it or flaming you on the ML02:12
Estel_nice, point took. I keep my right to disagree with you, totally.02:13
Estel_I have nothing against You flaming it on mailing list - i'm sure others would act approriately, and flame your unjustified accusations, in response02:13
Estel_lets leave it like that, and go back to our business.02:13
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chem|stEstel_: for tmo, you earned those points long before and I just held back as noone reported you (blind eyes), this time you got reported02:15
freemangordonEstel_: you're overreacting man, chill out02:15
RiDtoo much coffee02:15
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Estel_freemangordon, not exactly.nnot exactly. see:02:16
Estel_and tell me, where ion those 4 lines, I did something inapproriate.02:16
Estel_of course, everyone is entitled to have own opinion, but i'll keep my right to not allow forcing it on me.02:17
Estel_chem|st, honestly, I don't care much 0 I udnerstand, that as moderator, you has to mark that You exist there at all, after ignoring this shitstorm topic, where everyone used worst names on everyone (especially, onCa contributors and winners)02:18
Estel_You wanted to assign me some points - no problem02:18
freemangordonEstel_: it is your right to behave in a way you find apprropriate, I was just expressing my thoughts02:18
Estel_but I haven't started to pester You about it on irc, pm, or anywhere02:18
Estel_freemangordon, I understand02:18
Estel_probably, maybe i'm really allergic for post Ca accusations :)02:18
Estel_alergy - overreactivity :)02:19
Estel_I'm just honest guy, probably to honest for some.02:19
zeqfreemangordon: I've got most of the zoom key support in, also put in the PORTRAIT_MODE atom while I was at it, but currently protected by #if 0, until we fix it.02:19
chem|stEstel_: feeling guilty?02:19
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freemangordonEstel_, I am honest too, but being honest is not the same as being rude02:19
Estel_so chem|st, I think that I have much more merit to pester You for inapproriate reactions or lack for, yet, I didn't then you come here, and tell me, that it was wrong from my side to mention, where Ca results were announced?02:20
* chem|st grabs popcorn and becomes seated comfy02:20
freemangordonEstel_: chill out, please02:20
Estel_You were writing about popcorn, when people were calling CA winners - not only councilors "corrupted, retards", etc. I've seen logs from your comments.02:20
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freemangordonEstel_: I was called a liar. So what?02:21
Estel_then, you come and play "moderator", and later play someone who know better hjow I should phrase my own mails? seriously02:21
Estel_freemangordon, nothing at all ;)02:21
Estel_It's just about bashing hypocritic behavior, a little.02:21
chem|stEstel_: that is a common habit over here in "dark"-IRC to grab popcorn whenever there is a shitstorm on tmo-TV02:21
Estel_I woudl really preffer chem|st to perform his duties, instead of teching others how to write polite 3 liner.02:21
Estel_ok, generally, it's nothing worth arguing.02:22
Estel_You got Your opinion, i keep mine02:22
Estel_we're all alive and happy.02:22
ZogG_lap1opnowdays calling names and than blaming others for that is a merit =)02:22
chem|stEstel_: ehrm I have no duties within maemo.org02:22
Estel_so why the hell won't You resign from being moderator?02:22
Estel_jumping once for a year and "teaching" others that You're still mod isn't helping much.02:22
freemangordonwell, I give up02:23
freemangordonbb guys02:23
Estel_see ya, same here02:23
Estel_need to fix my cooling system for CNC02:23
ZogG_lap1opvolunteering today is not a duty, it's random choice of what you want to "merit" for. device, power, voices — yes. grown up behaivour admitness, polite - no02:23
freemangordonyeah, your cooling system deffinitely needs a fix :(02:23
chem|stfreemangordon: +102:24
ZogG_lap1opit's like one person quistioned by enuf people still takes each one separete and personally and do not look in whole picture02:24
chem|stZogG_lap1op: leave it... not worth the typing....02:25
ZogG_lap1opchem|st:  i like how you jump once in the year thing, maybe you should tweet everytime you spend hours on flame topics checking post by post? or all you actvity on maemo and tmo? the value of deeds is not enuf today, today we are pop stars we need attention and rating, what we are and who were are are less important, most important status and glory =)02:27
ZogG_lap1opway to go02:27
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* rzr wondering about purchasing an extra n9 in case of the elopcalypse ... how much does a used one could cost ?02:33
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ZogG_lap1oprzr:  i think ±400$ for 64 gb02:36
rzrand 16 ?02:38
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DocScrutinizer05cubes* even03:00
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SpeedEvilI don't think avoiding the trademark name will fool anyone :)03:17
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: I'd like to see more of your remarks and critics in cssu03:20
DocScrutinizer05I know you as an exceptionally sharp mind03:21
SpeedEvilI'm doing an appeal against a legal decision at the moment.03:21
SpeedEvilI'll add it in the next week or so when that's done.03:22
DocScrutinizer05:-) and good luck!03:22
SpeedEvilWhich will boil down to again 'read my actual submission, it diddn't say that'03:23
DocScrutinizer05*sigh* - buerocracy03:23
SpeedEvilAdding to the fun is the delay.03:24
SpeedEvilIt's been ~14mo since the original decision.03:24
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zeq1freemangordon: Interesting datapoint: This needs to be verified, but Stellarium has gone from ~8-10fps to 50-60fps with the thumb/neon qt build03:29
zeq1I didn't expect that. I was just making sure everything still worked03:30
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zeq1damn, my zoom keys patch didn't work :(03:33
zeq1XError: X_ChangeProperty: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)03:34
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DocScrutinizer05zeq: :-)03:40
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Estel_zeq, sounds awesome03:53
Estel_why so much gain? some bug in normal compilation?03:53
Estel_DocScrutinizer, it's cool here, what You've did to channel?03:54
Estel_nooooob question. I've program that I need to wrap inside wrapper, so it will kill xbindkeys upon exectuion, and will run xbindkeys again, when killed, no matter if gracefully or not03:54
Estel_how should it be done, re best coding practices?03:54
Estel_i.e. what would be msot "bulletproof" way to do it?03:55
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DocScrutinizer05check trap command in shell scripting04:01
DocScrutinizer05new hostmode vboost script is using it that way04:01
DocScrutinizer05and actually, a lot more of scripts should use a trap cleanup construct, to make sure not to leave temporary files, half-isntalled packages, whatnot else, when existing in an unexcpected way04:02
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DocScrutinizer05you migth also google for fsoraw, a wrapper I invented for doing almost exactly what you asked for04:04
DocScrutinizer05(fsoraw is the FSO resource allocation wrapper, a timy proggie that e.g switches screen backlight to "stay on" while the wrapped-up binary (game etc) is running. And it's built in a way so it basically can't fail to restore whatever resource allocated to the original state, when the monitored game quits04:07
DocScrutinizer05though I admit dbus is doing a great deal to ensure this property04:08
DocScrutinizer05but that are FSO internal details that are somewhat OT here04:08
DocScrutinizer05for your purpose a trap on exit should do the trick04:09
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DocScrutinizer05in a shell script04:09
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Estel_DocScrutinizer, thanks a lot, very interesting readings04:26
Estel_BTw, You just made me aware, that I also want screen kept on during working of this program :)04:26
Estel_for a newbie, this trap looks tricky (lol!, so I have many pleasant hours of testing it and fsoraw, to udnerstand ins and outs04:27
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kwtmvimgor search06:47
kwtmwups, wrong channel.06:47
kwtmseen kwtm06:47
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kwtmOk, I am officially disconnected.06:47
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DocScrutinizer05kwtm: ???07:05
DocScrutinizer05~seen kwtm07:06
infobotkwtm is currently on #maemo (18m 33s), last said: 'Ok, I am officially disconnected.'.07:06
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zeqEstel_: In the qt4 build NEON intrinsics are used for SIMD, which is a huge win on the Cortex-A8.  I suspect if we profiled Stellarium we'd find within the UI drawing code one or more calls to qt functions dominating runtime.  This can have the result of preventing the 3D hardware being kept busy, effectively serializing execution between CPU and GPU. If this bottleneck is relieved by those calls returning faster the 3D hw has09:09
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zeqThe idea with GPU acceleration is to keep the GPU command buffer sufficiently full to allow the CPU to get on with other things.09:10
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zeqfreemangordon: I don't know if you figured this out or not, but within the mozilla _obj-build_ tree you can call make in subdirs to rebuild the module you're working on.  When finished, from the top of the "obj-build", you can use make deb to actually build the .deb.09:14
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DocScrutinizer05irssi, the client that ruthlessly trunkates whatever you write (or rather, doesn't care at all about max post len of irc server)09:25
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DocScrutinizer05(call make in subdirs) thanks for late confirmation that my suggestion not been complete nonsense :-)09:27
iluminator105i am repairing a n900 and on internet connections it always shows ppp0 on it what is that09:27
DocScrutinizer05sorry, you lost me. maybe rephrase the question09:28
iluminator105on the internet connection it always shows ppp0 on it09:29
iluminator105as like a connection point09:29
iluminator105how do i remove that09:29
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iluminator105ppp0 is not in network interfaces09:31
iluminator105reflash what you mean09:31
infobotmaemo-flashing is probably
iluminator105if i was to backing everything to install maemo how would i do that09:31
iluminator105if i was to backing everything to nemo how would i do that09:32
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zeqDocScrutinizer05: yep, your advise was sound, I suspect freemangordon was in the source tree when he tried it.09:34
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DocScrutinizer05iluminator105: no idea about nemo. On maemo you got exatly two complementary backup tools: the genuine backup application and then backupmenu which you need to install from extras repository09:38
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DocScrutinizer05ideally you stor both backup archives to a uSD card09:38
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iluminator105what is dd the whole thing to an external drive would that work09:39
iluminator105what if i dd the whole thing to an external drive would that work09:39
DocScrutinizer05that's basically what backupmenu does, but in a way it actually works09:39
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DocScrutinizer05and no, dd will never work, unless you later do tricks like loopmounting the image. You can't restore dd raw images to NAND flash storage09:41
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DocScrutinizer05anyway may I congratulate to your new device and welcome you as a part of the maemo community? :-)09:44
iluminator105i thought backup application just backed up numbers and unique data?09:45
DocScrutinizer05yep, kinda09:45
DocScrutinizer05backupmenu is a different "app" though09:46
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05, zeq: thanks, will try it next time I'm on it09:47
iluminator105hmm...i will hold up on upgrading this is my one phone...and i would be screwed if it didnt work09:47
DocScrutinizer05you should do that as soon as possible09:48
iluminator105why do you say that09:49
iluminator105ppp0 interconnect is security risk?09:49
DocScrutinizer05and since it's new (at least I assume you got it recently) there can't be much on the phone yet that needs backup09:49
DocScrutinizer05sorry I got no idea what's that ppp009:50
DocScrutinizer05but that's exactly the point: you should start with a fresh and clean OS09:50
iluminator105not its not new i been using it for a while09:50
DocScrutinizer05then build your own "system" on that, so you have a clue what you did and what might have happened09:51
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DocScrutinizer05I *might* figure ppp0 interface is related to fmms, but that's mere handwaving09:52
iluminator105yea i do have fmms09:53
DocScrutinizer05since I never installed nor looked into sourcecode of fmms09:53
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iluminator105DocScrutinizer, we will talk later gotta go thanks man bye09:54
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DocScrutinizer05yw, see you later then09:54
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DocScrutinizer05and get backupmenu!09:56
infoboti heard backupmenu is
StyXmanthese people, is it that they forgot punctuatioon or they never knew it?09:57
DocScrutinizer05oooh, he used a comma ;-)09:58
DocScrutinizer05nah, that's been tab nick completion09:58
DocScrutinizer05aaah, he punktuation10:00
DocScrutinizer05maybe punktuation rules are different in his native language ;-)10:01
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: maybe punctuation rules are different in his native language ;-)10:01
fastaI installed FCamera and made some shots, but it looks absolutely terrible. If I look at it on my HD screen, I can even see the pixels very clearly. It is supposed to look sharp then and only when you zoom in you should see pixels.10:01
fastaI have a 10.6MB file, but still it looks very bad.10:02
DocScrutinizer05well, as long as you didn't use digital zoom of N900 too much when taking the shots, yes10:02
fastaDocScrutinizer05: can I see that in some property of the resulting FCamera file?10:03
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DocScrutinizer05I dunno if it's in exif, or if fcam stores exif at all10:03
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DocScrutinizer05anyway digital zoom basically is a hoax10:04
fastaDocScrutinizer05: FCam cannot even do digital zoom.10:05
fastaDocScrutinizer05: when I move the slider, my audio goes up/down.10:05
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fastaDocScrutinizer05: isn't it possible to modify the normal camera application to just have a different jpeg compression?10:06
DocScrutinizer05very strange - though I rarely ever used fcam so can't really comment10:06
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fizzieIIRC (I don't have FCamera installed right now) it does have a zoom thing; it just doesn't do the bindings to the volume key, it's somewhere in the menus.10:07
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fizzie(Then again, it's not really useful, so.)10:07
DocScrutinizer05I *think* I heard of such option, even store raw images10:07
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DocScrutinizer05the photographers seem asleep still :-D10:09
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freemangordonfizzie:iirc it could be done, by modifying /etc/gdigicam/?.conf, though never tried it for stock camera-ui.10:14
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zeqfreemangordon: Going to test my hopefully fixed zoom key enable code now. If you don't have time at the moment to work on the rotation code, could you paste the pertinent info so I can have a look, I lost my scrollback from, when my battery went flat! :$10:16
freemangordonzeq: here you are "zeq: yep, see MozMGraphicsView resizeEvent, MozMSceneWindow CheckTopLevelSize, MozQGraphicsViewEvents, also check nsScreenQt::GetAvailRect in widget/qt/nsScreenQt.cpp, there are some hooks under MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY define (rotation related )"10:17
zeqfreemangordon: thx:)10:18
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zeqfreemangordon: The input handling in the qtwidget is quite complex, and clearly make assumptions which aren't compatible with the hildon input method.  Shall we just #ifdef out most of that code and see what happens?10:26
zeq(I don't know if you tried using the keyboard in fennec, if you did, you'd see what I mean)10:27
freemangordonzeq: it works ok for me, the only glitch i saw is that VKB opens twice when you press address bar with phisical KB closed10:28
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zeqfreemangordon: ok, chat with you later10:29
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Dr_Ihello community how is meamo today?10:37
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Dr_Imaemo elter10:38
zeqmerlin1991: Once I have finished Fennec, I'll look into getting sb-toolchain-extras to support modern GNU toolchains. After your prompting, I did look into it again, and I think you're right, it would be useful.10:44
DocScrutinizer05zeq: where you've hidden the last 2 years?10:45
Dr_IFennec is ok tho My mae browser is best10:45
Dr_Ino touch on the defactor10:46
zeqDocScrutinizer05: I've been fixing Gentoo bugs! :)10:46
DocScrutinizer05zeq: at least on my radar you appeared out of nowhere and did a rocket start into top ten of most active contributors :-D10:46
DocScrutinizer05much appreciated, I have to ask the MWKN guys who formerly did that "developer of the month" thing10:47
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zeqActually, the last thing I was working on I had to put to one side for now.  The radeon drm driver doesn't hot-unplug, I was trying to fix it...10:47
zeqThis is *much* easier by comparison! :)10:48
zeqbefore that I was poking around the linux PCI code10:48
DocScrutinizer05no worries, we have some really hard stuff waiting for your attention ;-)10:49
zeqI bet!10:49
zeqI do sometimes take on things that I can't get my head around though :/10:49
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zeqYou have to acknowledge you limits occasionaly ;)10:50
infobotzeq meant: You have to acknowledge your limits occasionaly ;)10:50
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zeqI think what actually finally got me active here was my annoyance with Nokia finally reached breaking point, so I thought: "I'll show 'em" :D10:53
zeqStill lots of untapped potential the N900 :)10:55
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Dr_Ithe delight10:56
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zeqGot the zoom keys grabbed, did hope it would just zoom on the key events... no such luck :(10:58
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freemangordonzeq: we're still missing setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, true); for mozWidget put somwhere in the code11:04
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zeqI'm onto that, it logically should be with the zoom key grab anyway, right?11:05
freemangordonhmm, not sure, but basically this property should be set on the main window.11:06
zeqSame as the zoom key grab11:06
zeqwhich I've got working11:06
zeqexcept I can't find the code that maps the key events to zoom11:06
freemangordongreat !!!11:06
freemangordonare there keyboard shortcuts?11:07
zeqI know it previously worked in the gtk version, so the code is there *somewhere*11:07
zeqthey apparently map to F7 and F811:07
zeqI know the grab succeeded :)11:08
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phrearchis it possible to install openvpn on the n900 currently?11:08
phrearchi need my n900 to be an openvpn server11:08
freemangordonzeq: setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5NonComposited); is a must, that would speed up the thinks by 20-30%11:08
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infobotfreemangordon meant: zeq: setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5NonComposited); is a must, that should speed up the thinks by 20-30%11:09
freemangordonit must be done on the main application window11:10
zeqcool :)11:10
zeqI'll put it with the other code then11:10
freemangordonzeq: which code creates the main windoe?11:10
freemangordonI mean in which source file?11:11
zeqnsWindow.cpp nsWindow::Create11:12
zeqif (aInitData && aInitData->mWindowType == eWindowType_toplevel) {11:12
zeqsince it actually creates all the windows, you need to check which it is11:12
zeqI've put in the autorotate and noncomposited11:13
freemangordonzeq: are you sure Qt(i.e. native) top window is created there? Hmm, ok.11:13
DocScrutinizer05phrearch: I recently heard sth about openvpn, alas I forgot details11:13
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DocScrutinizer05I'm sure there's a client11:13
phrearchi need the server11:14
DocScrutinizer05ooops, vpn. Nope nevermind, I mixed that up11:14
freemangordonzeq: I seems like we need mListenForResizes set to true11:14
phrearchi can only find the openvpn applet in the repositories11:15
phrearchnot sure if i missed one repos11:15
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DocScrutinizer05phrearch: tried packet interface11:15
phrearchNo, whats that?11:15
DocScrutinizer05a webpage at maemo.org11:16
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phrearchnot sure, whats it about?11:17
freemangordonzeq: you could try to change the default in nsWindow constructor11:17
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phrearchweird, its supposed to be there11:19
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zeqListenforResizes you mean?11:20
phrearchi have extras, extras-devel and extras-testing11:20
zeqset to enabled11:20
phrearchfremantle 1.2 ovi is disabled11:21
LantiziaHas anyone else picked up that ~/MyDocs/.images/40_stripes4.jpg is missing from all N900's ?11:21
Lantiziaas is ~/MyDocs/.images/Stripes.desktop11:22
zeqfreemangordon: can I clarify, are you saying you think ListenforResizes should be set for the top level widget?11:22
peetahphrearch: openvpn package is what you're looking for11:23
phrearchpeetah, cant find it in the package manager11:23
phrearchill try apt-cache search11:23
DocScrutinizer05use apt-cache search maybe11:23
peetahapt-cache search openvpn11:23
zeqfreemangordon: make sure when you've made changes you use "make" on the top level obj-build tree before make deb, or else the changes don't get linked!11:25
phrearchah its there11:25
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vi__fasta: If you are using non-cssu you can alter jpeg compression by changing the compression value in /etc/gdigicam/<someconfigfile.ini>11:28
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vi__However you have to switch the device to use software encoding.11:29
vi__By changing the word 'dspjpegenc'11:29
vi__to 'jpegenc'11:29
vi__Or something like that.11:29
vi__The quality for hardware jpeg encoder is harcoded in libgstdsp.so11:30
zeqfreemangordon: zoom just started working!?!?11:30
zeqI think perhaps it just doesn't work on the homescreen..?11:30
vi__Fortunatley if you update to cssu-testing you will get harmattan codecs and the hardcoded value has been set to the maximum.11:31
DocScrutinizer05# Set this to true to use the config from the file, and to false to11:31
DocScrutinizer05# use the values provided from the application.11:31
DocScrutinizer05vi__: ++11:32
DocScrutinizer05fasta: there you are11:33
phrearchhm, sudo gainroot asks for a pw, when i login from ssh11:35
DocScrutinizer05btw "root" is the preferred command to login as root11:36
DocScrutinizer05sudo gainroot is like su without "-"11:36
phrearchaha better11:36
phrearchi better not set a password for the root account should i?11:36
DocScrutinizer05you better should11:36
DocScrutinizer05also see:11:37
phrearchnot sure whether the phone still starts then11:37
infobotjrtools is probably
DocScrutinizer05it will start, believe me11:37
phrearchok thanks :)11:37
freemangordonzeq: great11:37
DocScrutinizer05I tweaked sudoers/10* so it properly asks for *root* password on login11:37
DocScrutinizer05works since > 1 year11:38
DocScrutinizer05of course it's basically incomplete, as there are still many loopholes11:38
zeqfreemangordon: I'll push after I confirm the rotate and no-composite changes are working11:38
freemangordonzeq: Yes, I think mListenforResizes should be set for all of the windows, nto sure though, maybe we will need dome logs turned on before a definitive conclusion11:39
freemangordonzeq: ok11:39
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zeqsince I've change build machine, the slowest part is installing the deb on the n900 ;)11:40
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phrearchhm, root gives me "user" is not in the sudoers file11:40
phrearcherr, think ive set a passwd on the regular phone user?11:42
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zeqfreemangordon: it's working11:45
zeqI'm going to push now11:45
zeqok done11:45
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vi__DocScrutinizer05: Correct, also tell it to use config file :/. cheers buddy!11:46
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freemangordonzeq: rotation?11:49
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zeqit's enabled, I've not tried the listenforresizes change yet11:51
zeqh-d autorotate is enabled11:51
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freemangordonzeq: no, i mean is it working as it should. nvm, going to test it by myself11:54
zeqfreemangordon: any idea what aNativeParent is?11:54
freemangordonlemme check the code11:55
freemangordonnsNativeWidget, typedef void* nsNativeWidget;11:56
zeqif it's true, listenforresizes gets enabled11:57
freemangordonhmm, parentQWidget = static_cast<MozQWidget*>(nativeParent);11:58
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zeqor if mListenForResizes is set in the aInitData passed to nsWindow::Create11:59
freemangordonit looks to me it is QWidget after all11:59
freemangordonyeah, I saw that code, thus my auestion11:59
zeqwe need to check whether aNativeParent is true or not12:00
freemangordonor better put some qDebug dumping all those12:00
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zeqI can't see a lot of code in there relating to MEEGOTOUCH12:01
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zeqmostly gesture support12:01
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freemangordonmake in obj directory is as slow as dpkg-buildpackage -nc12:08
zeqyou can test to see if your code compiles though in the subdir12:08
zeqbut, yes linking etc does take a while12:09
freemangordonaah, yes, thanks for the hint12:09
zeqnot sure about the non-composite option12:09
zeqit is faster, but it seems it "forgets" what's scrolled off.. maybe it's just me and the site I tested...12:10
zeqit's quite image heavy12:10
zeqsee how it works for you12:10
zeqit doesn't feel much different in speed to microb12:10
zeqdifferent, but not really slower12:11
freemangordonI think it has nothing to do with non-composite option, that option is a hint to hildon-desktop, Qt knows nothing about it12:11
zeqok :)12:11
zeqjust the site then12:11
zeqit probably doesn't keep large images cached offscreen12:12
freemangordonor buggy QGraphicsWidget12:12
freemangordonyeah, there is another option fo caching, lemme find it12:12
zeqwe need to be careful with memory though12:13
freemangordonsure :)12:13
zeqthe behaviour I'm seeing is probably just the nature of the beast12:13
freemangordonbut still I would prefer to have everything working before starting with the optimisations12:13
freemangordoni.e. rotation12:14
zeqwhat happens is when you scroll and there's a large image, the page blanks until the image is displayed12:14
freemangordoni think this is how it works12:14
zeqgetting rotation going is definitely the priority :)12:15
zeqyou need to test the keyboard properly too, you'll see what I mean12:15
zeqtry to use any of the blue symbols except numbers12:16
zeqor try fn, <release>, number12:16
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zeqfreemangordon: do you know what docshell is?12:18
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zeqI'm grepping the code for MEEGOTOUCH12:18
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freemangordonzeq: re keyboard: that should be pretty easy to be fixed, it should work oob, so we need to just bypass some code12:21
zeqfreemangordon: yes, that was my thought12:21
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zeqfreemangordon: need to add the Hildon style fullscreen toggle button too, at the moment it seems to be mapped to cursor up/down keys!12:36
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freemangordonzeq: do we need it non-fulscreen?12:50
freemangordoni'd rather disable that12:50
Lava_Croftforce fennec fullscreen? :<13:00
zeqfreemangordon: I don't mean "true" fullscreen, I was referring to on-screen widgets (url bar).13:04
zeqif you try cursor up/down, you'll see what I mean13:04
zeqgenerally in hildon apps, the semi-transparent hidden toggle is in the bottom right cornerer13:04
infobotzeq meant: generally in hildon apps, the semi-transparent hidden toggle is in the bottom right corner13:05
zeqfor this13:05
zeqthere's sample code on the qt exammples site to enable this, it doesn't look hard to implement13:06
zeqclearly I'm typing too quickly :/13:06
zeqone thing at a time though.  I'm trying an experiment: I've removed the coded to clear aNativeParent for top-level widget13:08
freemangordonzeq: which branch you put your commits to?13:08
zeqshould be on master..?13:09
zeqis it not?13:09
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zeqI'll take a look13:09
freemangordonhmm, what is supposed to zoom?13:09
freemangordonvolume keys?13:09
zeqit works13:10
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zeqstandard hildon funtionality :)13:10
freemangordonnot here, lemme check on which commit is my HEAD13:10
zeqyou need to be on a web page other than the start page13:10
freemangordonI didn't pull your commits, my bad13:11
zeqor perhaps there's a bug where you have to switch apps? hopefully not13:11
zeqthere's only one commit13:11
zeqI thought it would be okay, since they're all very localized13:12
freemangordonyep, pulled13:12
freemangordonnow building13:12
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zeqfreemangordon: that didn't make a difference.  It's odd, but I haven't see again the behaviour I saw the first time, when it *tried* to resize.13:27
zeqfreemangordon: how do you get the deb to your device? I've set up a nfs export on the server of my scractchbox homedir13:30
zeqjust click on the deb in filemanager13:31
freemangordonzeq: I am using qinscp13:31
freemangordonand install it with dpkg13:32
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zeqfreemangordon: I don't know if you saw last night, but I tested Stellarium with my qt neon build, it's gone from ~10fps to ~60fps13:33
zeqdefintely worth it ;)13:33
ZogG_lap1opx6 is totally worth it13:34
freemangordoni missed that part, but yeah, that's impressive13:34
zeqI explained my theory why in the scrollback13:35
freemangordonyeah, i saw something about gfx accelerator data starvation13:35
zeqI'm probably seeing higher performance from fennec with this qt build too13:35
freemangordoni can bet on that13:36
freemangordondo i need 4.6.3 to build it, or 4.6.2 will be enough?13:36
zeqnot sure, 4.6.3 is probably better ;)13:36
freemangordonzeq: but the other stuff in the repo is 4.6.213:37
zeqshouldn't matter13:37
freemangordonlibstdc++ too ;)13:37
zeqstill shouldn't matter13:37
trxwhich qt version is that?13:37
zeqsymbols are versioned13:37
trxthats great13:37
freemangordonzeq: i will have to push a new libsdtc++ too13:38
zeqyou can break libstdc++ only in one direction ;)13:38
freemangordontrx: 4.7.4 has been in CSSU for ages ;)13:38
zeqdon't build any c++ apps against the linaro 4.7 yet ;)13:38
zeqwe really don't want to have to carry compat c++ libs!13:39
trxfreemangordon yeah i know, but qml was a bit slow, this would improve it, right?13:39
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zeqtrx: quite possibly you'll see big performance increases13:40
zeqI strongly suspect there's going to be a lot less demand for overclocking13:42
zeqwhat will be even more fun is when we switch to linaro 4.7 with the NEON auto-vectorizer :D13:43
zeqLTO should help then too13:44
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trxwhat does that stand for?13:46
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zeqLink Time Optimization: it means the toolchian defers optimization until linking13:48
zeqit produces smaller more optimal code because it can identify optimiations across all units of the program13:49
zeqit was not really usable until gcc-4.7 though13:50
trxi didnt know that, that sounds good13:51
trxbut does everything need to be recompiled, that qt links agains?13:51
zeqit's the same ABI13:52
zeqfreemangordon: did the build work?13:53
zeqor are you changing toolchain and rebuilding qt?13:54
freemangordonzeq: zoom by volume keys works. And man, that is fast, even with my thumb-only Qt13:54
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zeqyeah, it's nice13:54
freemangordonzeq: not now13:54
zeqnot far off from microb13:54
freemangordonzeq: I will hold on toolchain change until 4.713:55
zeqin fact I think microb is more responsive, but doesn't always redraw13:55
zeqok, i'll keep my debs to myself for now then :)13:55
zeqfennec (except with the large image files I mentioned) always redraws as it scrolls13:56
zeqat least relative to microb13:57
zeqfreemangordon: are you getting any resizing at all from rotation?13:58
zeqit doesn't seem to be getting triggered anymore13:58
zeqorientationChanged() I mean13:59
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freemangordonzeq: should be, didn't check though14:03
freemangordonanyway, i a going to put some qDebug() in a couple of functions14:03
freemangordon*I am14:03
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zeqfreemangordon, I've an idea: I'm going to modifiy the OnResizeEvent handler and drop the code into orientationChanged()14:12
zeqI just need to read the new width and height, is that available through QApplication::desktop()?14:14
zeqactually I have an even better idea14:15
zeqcan't we just call OnResizeEvent() as the handler after passing the right thing to aEvent?14:16
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zeqdo we have an object with the right structure?14:17
zeqif not we can wrap it14:18
zeqtell me if I'm talking nonsense, I suspect I might be ;)14:19
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zeqnvm about the above, I was just thinking out loud14:52
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zeqfreemangordon: resize is working15:09
zeqIn the end I just set mListenForResizes unconditionally true for Maemo, and with the code you added before, it just works.15:11
zeqor it did... ?15:12
zeqnow it's stopped :(15:12
zeqI rotated a couple of times and it worked, just did it again and it didn't :(15:13
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ZogG_lap1opbtw yesterday there was talk about games and frameworks, cocos2d-x is avilable for harmattan =)15:14
zeqfreemangordon: it sometimes works, and when it does, it does so correctly.15:17
zeqother times, it's like it's not receiving the signal15:17
zeqperhaps there's a race condition?15:17
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zeqyou get the geomety from the QApplication::Desktop class, could it be the root window doesn't resize before the signal is processed?15:19
infobotzeq meant: you get the geometry from the QApplication::Desktop class, could it be the root window doesn't resize before the signal is processed?15:20
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zeqfreemangordon: I seem to have fixed it.15:58
zeqI used availableGeometry() for the default screen rather then screenGeometry()15:59
zeqI pushed the code.16:05
zeqHowever, it's not quite perfect.  Rotation works, but I think there's a problem with forcing all widgets to mListenForResizes...16:06
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zeqfreemangordon: looks like I've got it.  I noticed an inconsistency between the code and comments for resize events (see commit).  Once fixed, it works without the force all hack.17:10
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zeqfreemangordon: just noticed there's still a slight bug, but I'm going to have to leave it to you get a chance, I'm out of time.17:11
zeqwhen it resizes to portriat, the height geometry is slightly off.  I guess availableGeometry() isn't returning quite the full screen. :(17:12
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zeqit's soooo close17:13
zeqanybody else out there with some experience with qt-maemo rotation code?17:13
zeqpatches welcome :)17:14
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* zeq will be back later...17:17
jon-khaEstel_ have you received your raspberry pi?17:17
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freemangordonzeq: great job man, sorry i was afk, had to do my real job for a while :). When I am back home I will pull/check your commits.17:54
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zeq1freemangordon, TODO: 1. fix vertical geometry in landscape. 2. remove incompatible key input code. 3. implement fullscreen exit button (I'll do this)18:00
zeq1then it's probably about done...?18:00
infobotzeq1 meant: freemangordon, TODO: 1. fix vertical geometry in portrait. 2. remove incompatible key input code. 3. implement fullscreen exit button (I'll do this)18:00
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freemangordonzeq1: ok18:03
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KotCzarnyi need an iptables/tc magician18:04
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RaimuI was wondering over the last-night Dealextreme tetronimo ice cube link that nobody owns the rights to Tetris so nobody could ever sue, but then I had to check.18:08
DocScrutinizer06ShadowJK: what's up with the package?18:09
RaimuPajitnov actually has the rights now: Good for him!18:09
RaimuThen again, I do think it's a bit pissy of them to ever sue over something that's more or less a de facto public domain thing now.18:09
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer; haven't checked18:18
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ShadowJKSeems like it arrived at the local grocery store / post office yesterday. I've probably got a notice of it waiting at home. I leave for work before mail arrives, and get off work after post is closed, so I guess tomorrow I can fetch it18:24
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DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: good18:26
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DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: I had 2 roaming events so got only two of your posts if there've been more18:28
DocScrutinizer51"sec" and "seems..."18:29
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DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: my friend who sent the package already got impatiant. I asked her to send package with insurence, but she picked letter with receipt acknowledge18:33
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PaliDocScrutinizer: hi, you wanted to backup maemo repositories, see:
ShadowJKheh, why did she get impatient?18:47
DocScrutinizer51PALI! :-)) long time no see!18:47
Palifreemangordon, problem with cbs widget can be fixed if we move widget library to package which has same name as package where is original nokia widget18:48
Palithen custom-operator-*** packages can use dpkg-divert to move original widget library18:48
PaliDocScrutinizer51, long time? only more exams in school...18:49
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PaliDocScrutinizer51, for apt-mirror on you need old wget version in system (< 1.10.2) or patch apt-mirror to add wget argument --auth-no-challenge to force http authentification18:51
Palibug is reported on launchpad:
DocScrutinizer51:nod: many thanks18:52
Paliwith patch
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DocScrutinizer51Pali: all fine with your exams?18:56
Palino :-(18:56
Palicontinue in september18:56
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merlin1991Pali: I tried your ham with Tmaemo4 and got this:
Palimerlin1991, maybe missing apt gpg key?19:16
PaliI will look into source code19:17
freemangordonPali: :(19:17
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Palishit, in HAM is some code for APT domain trust level19:19
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Palianybody know what it is?19:19
merlin1991no idea, but it seems you broke parts of that :D19:19
SpeedEvilangry  birds?19:19
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Palimerlin1991, no. that error comes from apt-worker and now I looked into git history and in apt-worker was only cosmetic changes (like removed code for 5% free space)19:22
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merlin1991Pali: well when I revert to the cssu ham  I don't get the errors and I get the update19:22
Palimerlin1991, I think that problem is with gpg keys19:23
merlin1991how so?19:23
merlin1991if I update the ham package to yours it fails, if I downgrade to cssu version it runs fine19:23
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Paliversion from cssu is gpg signed in apt cache and public key is imported into system by cssu-enabler19:24
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merlin1991that doesn't explain why one version likes it and the other doesn't19:24
merlin1991the upgrade worked fine with the ham we currently have in cssu, only when I compile the current master and install it I get the errors19:25
Palimaybe your installed ham was not from repo with public gpg key in system19:25
freemangordonzeq1: why did you change screenGeometry to availableGeometry in MozQWidget::orientationChanged()19:25
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Palimerlin1991, ok, HAM has code which set for every domain if is signed. and if package is from unsigned domain it is ignored19:27
Palimerlin1991, should disable & remove that code?19:27
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merlin1991Pali: no, I'd like it to work as it did19:29
Paliin HAM changelog is: Ignore packages from the wrong domain. (N85305)19:29
PaliI'd like to know what is "wrong domain" and how can be package marked at it19:30
merlin1991Pali: all I can say, I started the cssu version of ham (1:2.2.72-5) let it update the repo cache and waited for it to show the cssu update19:31
merlin1991then I installed a build of current master on gitorious and did the same19:31
merlin1991with the new ham it didn't show the cssu update and had the errors in the log19:31
PaliN85305 is maybe bug number from nokia private bugzilla... anybody know more about it?19:31
zeqfreemangordon: For some reason screenGeometry wasn't getting the new geometry.19:31
Palimerlin1991, when will be new CSSU update I will try to debug it19:31
merlin1991should be in a week or two19:32
zeqI don't know if it's just a race, and that it takes longer to get availableGeometry?19:32
zeqmaybe we just need some synchronization?19:32
zeqit could be availableGeometry isn't giving the full height for some unknown reason...?19:33
PaliThe Application manager remembers for each package the 'domain' where it was installed from originally.  Updates to a package that come fromanother domain are rejected.19:33
PaliRight now, the Application manager fails installations that have one or more of these domain violations.  Instead, it should just ignore packages from a wrong domain.  This will get rid of the most hard core error message of the AM.19:33
Palido we really need it? ^^^19:34
zeqI suspected a race since it *sometimes* worked, just occasionally.19:34
merlin1991I don't know, but I'd like to know how this got broken by your 8 commits19:34
freemangordonzeq: how that could be, screen geometry should be correct all the times19:34
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zeqkey word there is *should*19:35
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zeqdoes the resize signal get sent before or after the resize? is it synchronised?19:36
freemangordoni've never seen it failing, I have several Qt project which rotate and never ever have the problem with it19:36
freemangordonyes, it is sent after rotation19:36
zeqI can't explain it19:37
freemangordonmaybe availableGeometry is used in other places19:37
Palimerlin1991, I have no idea which commit broke that... I think that problem appeared that you installed HAM not from signed repo19:38
zeqI thought it should be the same.  According to the docs avaialable geometry takes into account docks and the like19:38
zeqbut we shouldn't have anything like that19:38
Palibut from local deb package19:38
merlin1991Pali: I'll try to compile current cssu and install from local deb19:39
freemangordonzeq: but actually you are correct, it is availablegeometry that have to be used if we are not fulscreen19:39
merlin1991let's see what that does19:39
Palido not forget to reboot device after HAM is updated19:39
Paliapt sometimes is not killed and run old version19:39
Palialso ham19:39
merlin1991Pali: yea, I know19:40
freemangordonPali: welcome back, sorry for your exams19:40
zeqhi Pali19:40
PaliI will continue in september...19:41
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zeqfreemangordon: still doesn't explain why the height is off when portrait19:41
freemangordonyeah, it happens from time to time19:41
freemangordonzeq: let me see it first19:41
zeqare you building it now?19:41
zeqok :)19:42
freemangordonbtw int screen = -1; //Default screen is not needed, I will clean it up19:42
freemangordon(already did)19:42
zeqsure, I was just trying to be certain19:42
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freemangordonit is "const QRectavailableGeometry ( int screen = -1 ) const"19:43
freemangordonwell, i just noticed it19:43
freemangordonnp at all19:43
zeqI wish the mozilla code actually tracked separate screens/displays properly19:44
freemangordonPali: shit happens, but where all the fun being a student will go otherwise19:44
zeqnot that it affects Maemo19:44
freemangordonzeq: it seems you've fixed an upstream bug19:44
freemangordonI wonder if that would not render 90% of maemo6 code useless19:44
freemangordonyep, because it hacks rotation by using a transformation matrix19:45
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freemangordoni.e. uses GL to rotate and resize AIUI19:45
freemangordon(or pixman)19:46
freemangordonI think that bug is the reason for the erratic behaviour under maemo6 merlin1991 reported19:46
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freemangordonzeq: maybe we should make romaxa aware of that19:48
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zeq1freemangordon: It wouldn't hurt :)19:51
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Palimerlin1991, see:
Palicssu enabler turning off ignoring packages from wrong domain19:55
Palimerlin1991, I think that is should be disabled directly in ham code too19:55
merlin1991Pali: I'll investigate :)19:55
Paliwho is author of that script?19:55
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freemangordonzeq1: on the other hand: what I should add to Qt configure for neon support?19:59
zeq1-mfpu=neon :)19:59
zeq1I think from memory20:00
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freemangordonzeq1: hmm, you said Qt uses intrinstics20:02
zeq1it does20:03
zeq1that still requires -mfpu=neon20:03
zeq1that just makes neon instructions available20:03
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freemangordonzeq1: BTW I think the best is to use screengeometry if we are fullscreen and availablegeometry if not. And I still don;t kile the idea for non-fullcreen fennec, non-compusite works for full-screen only20:04
infobotfreemangordon meant: zeq1: BTW I think the best is to use screengeometry if we are fullscreen and availablegeometry if not. And I still don;t like the idea for non-fullcreen fennec, non-compusite works for full-screen only20:04
freemangordonwhat we have now with availablegeometry is non-fulscreen size :D20:05
freemangordonwhat a noise on #mobile :D:D:D20:05
freemangordonok as in?20:05
zeq1Really I mean toggle chrome20:05
zeq1rather than fullscreen20:06
zeq1I should be more specific20:06
zeq1url-bar toggle if you like20:06
freemangordonaah, you mean to make it appear like when started in portrait?20:06
freemangordonok, then it is still fullscreen, ain't?20:07
zeq1as far as the wm is concerned20:08
zeq1it doesn't make sense to have the h-d top bar20:08
zeq1title-bar even20:08
zeq1forgot what it was called for a moment :)20:09
zeq1I agree about #mobile, it's worse than here for chatter ;)20:09
freemangordonBTW did you see what UI liiks like you you start it when the device is in portrait?20:10
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zeq1I'll check20:10
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zeq1it seems the same...?20:11
zeq1what am I missing?20:11
freemangordondo you have forcedrotation in?20:12
freemangordonenable it and you'll see20:12
zeq1it appears in portrait20:12
zeq1but it looks fine20:12
freemangordoni know. but starts in landscape20:12
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zeq1not here..??20:13
freemangordonwhile with FR on it starts in portrait20:13
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freemangordonzeq1:what? I think you overestimate my English skills :D20:14
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zeq1I'm going to try FR20:14
zeq1that's weird20:16
zeq1fine without forced rotation20:16
zeq1honestly :D20:16
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zeq1is that a bug or not?20:16
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freemangordonwhich one?20:17
zeq1the layout being broken with FR20:17
freemangordonit is not broken, just different20:17
freemangordonsee what you have in upper-left corner?20:17
freemangordonnow we only need to find how to switch between layouts :D20:19
zeq1tablet mode?20:19
zeq1it's kinda ugly though20:20
zeq1too cluttered20:20
freemangordonyeah, but you have a functionality like "print page"20:21
zeq1I wonder if that's how it looks on my laptop...20:21
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zeqfreemangordon: see comment:
freemangordonzeq: yeah :(, seems like a Qt bug20:42
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freemangordonI'll put a qDebug() to check what screenGeometry returns20:43
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zeqthere's probably a patch20:43
zeqI'll have a look in the debian qt package20:43
freemangordoni'll ask goolge20:43
zeqor you could do that :020:43
Palimerlin1991, now I see where can be problem: community-devel (&thumb too) does not have GPG signature in apt-repo. and if apt-worked was not patched or started with that flag which disable "domain checking" HAM refused to update packages from "trusting domain"20:44
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merlin1991Pali: I had neither community-devel nor thumb installed20:44
merlin1991only community-testing + self built deb20:45
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Paliself deb could be problem too20:45
Palibut I will create some patches for enabler package20:45
Paliand I want to add also thumb & devel to "trusting"20:46
Palibut first is needed to sign apt repository20:46
Palimerlin1991, it is problem if you sign thumb & devel repository?20:46
merlin1991not that big of a problem20:47
Palimerlin1991, ok when you sign repo, upload somewhere public gpg key20:49
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freemangordonzeq: we can just workarund that by either adding HD_COMP_MGR_TOP_MARGIN to AG or by hardcoding the size20:52
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zeqshouldn't we fix the bug though if we can?20:53
zeqCSSU material..?20:54
freemangordonyep, it is in CSSU20:54
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zeqthe fix is already in?20:54
freemangordonobviously no20:54
zeqwhat qt version are we?20:55
freemangordonanyway, let my build finnish, so I can check what screenGeometry retyrns20:56
freemangordonthe one in CSSU20:56
freemangordon(with some thumb patches)20:56
zeqI can't see anything in that patch list20:58
freemangordonme too, it seems it is not a problem with Qt20:59
freemangordonAs I am sure screenGeometry returns correct data21:00
freemangordoni.e. 800x48021:00
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freemangordonand 480x800 for portrait21:00
zeqso what's going wrong, and why does availableGeometry "fix" it?21:01
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zeqconfused :S21:02
zeqmaybe it's okay now I fixed that bug/21:02
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freemangordonzeq: it could be that 800x480 is too much, don't know21:03
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freemangordoni.e it might expect something like 799x47921:03
zeqthey are separate to size21:03
freemangordonsetSceneRect expects rectangle, not size21:04
freemangordonit could be that21:04
zeqwindow border?21:04
zeqgoing to look at the code21:05
freemangordonyeah, and we are passing 0,0,800,480 , which could be seen as 801x481 (size)21:05
freemangordonjust a wild guess21:05
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RiDa wild ratata appeared21:06
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ThreeMSc0rpius ?21:08
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zeqfreemangordon: maybe we need to substract mBounds from the rect?21:10
ThreeMahh today i have luck :)21:11
ThreeMi dont want something from you, today i have something to offer :)21:11
ThreeMi have often problems with download yapaari from the webhosting serives you use to upload the newest version. what about to have fee webspace + ftp account for you to post direkt dl links for the community?21:12
freemangordonzeq: maybe we should move it to 0,021:13
zeqfreemangordon: give it a go21:13
freemangordonlook at maemo6 code, it does f (orientation == 0 || orientation ==  180) {21:13
freemangordon        setPos(0,0);21:13
zeqI thought that was just because it was rotating..? but maybe you're right21:13
freemangordonI thought the same21:14
freemangordonok, .deb is built, lemme report what screengeometry returns21:14
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ThreeMi can offer that for you for free if you want. im not a developer and have not much time to do bugtesting and reporting but will do something for the community.21:16
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freemangordonzeq: portrait -> QRect(0,0 480x800) landscape -> QRect(0,0 800x480)21:18
freemangordonso that is ok21:19
zeqthat's a relief I guess21:19
zeqotherwise it would be really weird21:20
freemangordonI am going to substract 1 from size21:20
zeqwhat about the mBounds values?21:20
zeqwouldn't 2 be better?21:20
zeqotherwise you'll have an odd number21:20
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zeq1 from each edge21:21
zeqfreemangordon: setpos obviously isn't goinig to do anything ^^21:21
freemangordonaah, yes, see GetScreenBounds21:21
zeqI was building with setpos, but I see no point21:22
freemangordonzeq: but look wgat OnResizeEvent is doing21:23
freemangordonmBounds.width = rect.width;21:23
freemangordon    mBounds.height = rect.height;21:23
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freemangordonzeq: my point substraction one is the it maght be not width and height, but coordinates21:26
freemangordon*to substract one21:26
freemangordonthen we are getting out of the screen by passing 800x48021:27
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zeqfreemangordon: I'm just saying by subtracting one it won't be centred21:28
zeqoh I see....21:28
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freemangordonzeq: going to try it21:31
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freemangordonzeq: so, you're telling me that by simply adding -mneon to mkspec when building Qt you incread fps by 50 for stellarium?21:43
freemangordonyeah, whatever the switch is21:46
zeqWhy does it surpise you?21:46
zeqthe NEON intrinsics are used for matrix ops21:46
freemangordonI am not surprised, just want a confirmation21:46
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zeqanyway, yes, stellarium runs smoothly now21:47
zeqit used to be "usable"21:47
freemangordoni'll try to build Qt in that way later, and will push it in thumb repo if it is ok21:47
freemangordonok, .deb built, lets see21:48
keriook, i'm about to buy another n900 i think21:48
keriohow much would you guys pay for one with a broken (but still fixable) usb port?21:48
zeqfreemangordon: fingers crossed21:48
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freemangordonzeq: no joy :(21:52
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freemangordonzeq: he seems offline21:53
kerioactually, i'll rephrase my question21:54
freemangordonI wonder why AG works every time21:54
keriowould you buy a n900 with a broken (but still fixable) usb port?21:54
kerioEstel_: especially you21:54
zeqfreemangordon: there must be something we're missing21:55
freemangordonzeq: going to try one more thing and I am done for now.21:55
zeqsomething to do with the bounds checking.21:55
freemangordonthat is for sure21:56
freemangordonbut if bounds are not set correctly why then AG works21:56
Sicelopoor kerio :)21:57
freemangordonhmm, HD_COMP_MGR_TOP_MARGIN is 56px21:57
Siceloi guess answer is generally a Yes here21:57
Siceloobviously, it's your money on the line .. so choose carefully21:58
zeqso subtract that from height with screenGeometry() and see if it still works?21:58
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skopeanyone has idea where to get memory card holder to my n900? forums had link to farnell, but afaik they don't sell withtout company id21:59
freemangordonzeq: almost there, i am substracting 121:59
zeqfreemangordon: I thought you did that already?21:59
freemangordononly for setSceneRect, but not for resize22:00
freemangordonhmm, maemo6 code gets the sy with scene()->views()[0]->rect()22:01
freemangordon*the size22:01
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zeqso we could just be doing it wrong22:02
freemangordonmaybe we need to swap width/height of the above view22:02
freemangordoni.e. rect22:02
zeqlet me know what you are trying... I'm trying to figure it out22:03
kerioN900 get!22:03
freemangordonzeq: could you try QRect screenGeometry = scene()->views()[0]->rect();swap_w_h(screenGeometry);22:05
freemangordoninstead of QRect screenGeometry = QApplication::desktop()->screenGeometry();22:05
freemangordonleave the remaning code intact22:05
kerio132€ + shipment, is that a good price?22:05
keriobought on 2010-09-24, so it's actually still under warranty22:05
chem|stkerio: if it is with 12month warranty22:05
keriochem|st: from a private22:06
chem|stmy sister bought one 4 weeks ago for 140eur with 12month warranty22:06
keriochem|st: and the EU has sane consumer protection, so it's two years from the manufacturer22:06
chem|stthose private should go by 90-110eurs22:06
keriochem|st: meh22:06
kerioif i wanted to buy globally, maybe22:06
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keriothis is in italy, with one-day shipment22:07
chem|stkerio: shops can give them too22:07
GeneralAntillesSo, when do we think the Project Glass hardware will be commodity?22:08
zeq'swap_w_h' was not declared in this scope22:08
zeqto I need to add an include?22:09
freemangordonzeq: you need to write it :D22:09
zeqah, ok22:09
freemangordonsomething like screenGeometry=QRect(0,0,screenGeometry.height().screenGeometry.width());22:10
PaliFAIL, why is *fremantle* community-testing repo signed by *diablo* key??22:10
Paligpg key: " community repositories (diablo) <>"22:10
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Palifreemangordon, merlin1991, see ^^^^22:11
freemangordonPali: ping X-Fade22:11
PaliX-Fade, look at this problem ^^^^^22:11
freemangordonPali: or better PM him and make a post on TMO thread for "infrastructure problems"22:12
PaliNow I'm going to write bug report22:13
freemangordonalso I think the council should be aware of that22:13
freemangordonsounds sane22:13
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chem|stkerio: was just loking for a used one for me and it seems like 140eur is just fine...22:19
* kerio is happy22:19
keriodoes anyone want a n900 with a broken usb port?22:20
Palibug reported:
povbot_Bug 12632: Fremantle CSSU testing apt repository is signed by diablo gpg key22:20
Atariikerio how much?22:21
kerioAtarii: you tell me22:22
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kerioanyway, is ~usbfix also about preventing damage to the usb port?22:27
chem|stkerio: sure...22:27
keriois there an easy way to do that?22:28
chem|stehrm for the one with broken usb22:28
keriono, i'm talking about the new one22:28
chem|stprevention? I have my device like 28month now and havent done any hardware mod22:29
zeqfreemangordon: nearly built...22:30
Woody14619kerio: One thing I suggest is you file down the "teeth" on the USB cables you use and on the power addapter.  I did that day 1, and >30 months later not a single issue..22:30
DocScrutinizer06kerio: I bought a used one in working condition for 120€, in a 2nd hand phone shop nearby22:31
freemangordonzeq: no join again and i have to stop for now. report if that fixes the issue. btw romaxa appeared on #mobile22:31
DocScrutinizer06ooh, and I've seen a N810 today, for "just" 190EUR ;-P22:31
zeqdid you ask romaxa?22:31
freemangordonand I repost my post22:31
freemangordonstill no answer22:32
zeqwhat about our current issue?22:32
freemangordondidn't ask him22:32
skopequess /n22:32
freemangordonzeq: bbl22:32
chem|stkerio: sry there was a hardware mod... I fixed the backpanel as its holding nose broke^^22:33
zeqok, see you later freemangordon22:33
chem|stcan we have the mailinglist reject html mail some way?22:38
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zeqfreemangordon: I thought that would work... but no22:42
infobotzeq meant: alas22:43
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zeqI tried using availableGeometry + 56 for height and it works :S23:11
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zeqit worked once, then didn't... I'm going to try one more thing, then I'm going to bed, I'm getting really tired :(23:35
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kerioso... nobody is interested in my awesome broken n900? :(23:38
rzrhow broken23:41
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Estel_jon-kha, unfortunately, not yet23:44
Estel_Farnell pissed me off totally, those idiots charged 20 pounds for shipping, and don't even have tracking id!23:45
Estel_when i protested, they said that their "point 7" says that they can ship with anything they like23:45
Estel_of course its bullshit, and not legal in EU, and Poland especialluy23:45
Estel_anyway, if it's not going to arrive in 3 weeks, i;ll create them such flamestorm, that even post-Ca mess will be like flowers scent with love in the air23:46
Estel_zeq, I don'tknow who you are, but I like You :D23:46
Estel_it's strange, I don't remember You from past months, yet, from few weeks, You contribute very much. It's refreshing to see such whirlwind of development :)23:46
Estel_kerio, sure, I can buy broken N900 - for 30 dollars :P23:46
Estel_repairing broken USb port is such PITA, that, despite my lvoe for device, i even stopped doing it for others, cause price for this pain would be like new N90023:47
Estel_it's probably due to lack of absolutely proper tools23:47
Estel_sure, if I would had Infra-red soldering station, it would be pleasure23:47
Estel_doing it by hand is absolute pita23:47
Estel_I switched to reinforce'ing ports only23:48
zeqEstel_: I'm energies were focused elsewhere. I've had an N900 since the early days, and always meant to set up the SDK and contribute, but I was always busy doing something else.23:48
Estel_zeq, :) I though that I saw your nick, but wasn't aware. Well, it's nice to have You on board23:48
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zeqEstel_: I've been keeping an eye on #maemo a while ;)23:49
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zeqthanks for the welcome Estel_23:50
Estel_freemangordon, I have strange issues re Hd video recoridng on my CSSU-T (not thumb yetr) device23:51
Estel_everytime i start recording, record something, and end...23:51
Estel_camera-ui2 hangs on same moment when i stop recording23:51
Estel_not dies, jsut hangs23:51
Estel_i can go to taskbar, do other things, but camera-ui is hanged, with still image of situation, where i pressed "stop" button23:51
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Estel_I've waited for up to 15 mintues for 1 minute long movie, tried few times, i'm sure it's really hanged. everytime need to kill it from within maemo, and, of course, movies recorder are damaged23:52
Estel_(not finalized)23:52
Estel_any way I could provide some debug info?23:52
Estel_sp-rich-core seems not related, as it doesn't die (on it's own)23:52
DocScrutinizer06check syslog23:54
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Estel_i got syslogd installed, where it saves logs?23:54
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jon-khaEstel_ I got mine today, but it does not work anymore :/ I left it to my desk for few hours with power on and when I returned I noticed that there was something wrong with my terminal and tried to reboot it without success, i had to remove power plug and now it does not boot, it only shows red light. Tested it with two SD cards23:57
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Estel_jon-kha, huh... no idea, is there any way to "flash" it?;)23:57
Estel_oh. thanks.23:57
Estel_jon-kha, tried searching raspberry pi forums?23:58
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louisdkHi :)23:58
DocScrutinizer06jon-kha: sounds like your battery is broken23:58
zeqfreemangordon: My one more thing turned into two.  It occurred to me, we aren't really running fullscreen, but maximized...23:59
DocScrutinizer06ooh, you're not talking about N90023:59
jon-khaI followed elinux's troubleshooting guide without success. Nobody in #raspberrypi was not able to help, they also thought that it is hardware problem.23:59

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