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| merlin1991 | no more 4.7? | 00:04 |
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| zeq | merlin1991: there's a bug in 4.7 currently (both mainline branch and Linaro) which prevents qt from building with neon intrinsics | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: currently there is a neon intrinstics bug in 4.7 | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | :) | 00:05 |
| merlin1991 | dang | 00:05 |
| zeq | unlucky | 00:06 |
| merlin1991 | btw zeq are you building proper scratchbox-gccsomething debs? | 00:06 |
| merlin1991 | would be great if we could install the toolchain like the regular maemo sdk target | 00:06 |
| zeq | not built the deb, but otherwise yes proper sb alien toolchain | 00:06 |
| merlin1991 | sb-core sb-devtools sb-gcc rootstrap and ehre we go | 00:06 |
| merlin1991 | not untar somewhere, create config :D | 00:07 |
| freemangordon | zeq: give me some idea how to speedup fennec compilation, avery typo takes me 10 minutes :( | 00:07 |
| zeq | native sb toolchain requires building glibc too | 00:07 |
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| zeq | merlin1991: I did look into it | 00:09 |
| merlin1991 | would have been great to the the full thing | 00:10 |
| zeq | but decided to use the same glibc binaries as the other toolchains | 00:10 |
| zeq | the sb toolchain builder also doesn't take into account other dependencies | 00:11 |
| zeq | like ppl cloog etc | 00:11 |
| zeq | the ones I've been building do integrate properly though | 00:12 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I don't know. I didn't have that problem... or didn't notice, I'm using a SSD if it makes a difference. | 00:13 |
| zeq | Your full build-time is certainly less than mine! | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if the typos are in same file, then compiling just that file until it's syntactically correct might speed up turnaround time | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then step up one step in tree | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | run make there | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to build one .o | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does this make any sense to you? | 00:18 |
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| zeq | http://www.snewbury.org.uk/maemo/gcc-4.6.3-fremantle-armv7a.tar.bz2 | 00:19 |
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| zeq | testing qt4 build | 00:22 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I need the whole think linked | 00:26 |
| freemangordon | and .deb build | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | linking can't get speeded up afaik. but at link time you shouldn't run into any more typos | 00:26 |
| freemangordon | anyway | 00:27 |
| freemangordon | it is just that fennec is HUGE | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard current firefox is faster than the old(?) fenec we got for maemo5 | 00:28 |
| freemangordon | yep | 00:28 |
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| zeq | lost my net connection, but didn't notice | 00:40 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I've encountered any problems with this hildon-desktop. I compiled it with 4.7 + LTO too. | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | zeq: there are problems? | 00:48 |
| zeq | I meant *not* :) | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | :) | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | is it thumb-compiled? | 00:49 |
| zeq | I merged the double->float conversation, thumb+neon+lto | 00:50 |
| zeq | it is *very* fast | 00:50 |
| zeq | makes the whole thing feel much more responsive | 00:51 |
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| zeq | built with the linaro-4.7 | 00:51 |
| freemangordon | great | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed sounds awesome | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how's binary size? compared to 'original' | 00:53 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: 'original' is thumb-compiled too :) | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, I meant original original | 00:54 |
| freemangordon | though neon could reduce binary size further | 00:54 |
| zeq | so could lto | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf lto? | 00:56 |
| freemangordon | linaro something I guess | 00:56 |
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| zeq | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 388012 Jun 24 22:45 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch | 00:58 |
| zeq | link time optimization | 00:58 |
| freemangordon | aah, yeah :) | 00:58 |
| freemangordon | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 391152 May 27 14:40 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch | 00:58 |
| freemangordon | 1% | 00:59 |
| freemangordon | or even less. But it is Qt that matters, not h-d | 00:59 |
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| zeq | qt's still building | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, not exactly | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 482600 2012-04-07 16:16 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch | 01:02 |
| freemangordon | some 20% | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more like it | 01:03 |
| freemangordon | 10% according to that #beagle guru, meh | 01:04 |
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| freemangordon | bb | 01:04 |
| zeq | night guys | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 01:05 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you missed our last "discussion" with mra on #linaro | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously | 01:06 |
| freemangordon | it ended up with a statement like:"whatever you say or do, I am right" | 01:06 |
| freemangordon | but at least this time I was not adviced to change the SoC | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, diplomacy isn't exactly your foremost competence ;-) | 01:07 |
| freemangordon | that was not my statement ;) | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (mine neither, btw) | 01:07 |
| freemangordon | otherwise I agree | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those hardcore kernel gurus are sometimes hard to cope with | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ypu've read that link I posted? | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it sheds some light on why they are like that, at very least | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | If most of them are like that guy, it is not a surprise linux is in its current state | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I opened it, but didn't have time to read it and watch the video. Though I am keeping the link | 01:10 |
| freemangordon | will read it when have some spare time | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't watch the video | 01:11 |
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| freemangordon | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2012/06/role-linux-kernel-maintainer | 01:11 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: look ^^^ | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to them we are the tmo trolls | 01:12 |
| freemangordon | :D | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it takes some effort not to sound like a troll to them | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in this very case, I'd actually recommend to (re-)read: | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 01:13 |
| infobot | somebody said question was If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 01:14 |
| Macer | heh | 01:14 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, nice to hear that :) | 01:48 |
| Estel_ | peace, peace. We should mark this day in the calendars. | 01:48 |
| Estel_ | Seriously though | 01:48 |
| Estel_ | now I got 1600 lines to read since yesterday, lol | 01:49 |
| Estel_ | I just hope that it's not like 50 % of them are about CA AGAIN | 01:49 |
| Estel_ | BTW, DocScrutinizer, just small clarification, if You don't mind. You've written that Council failed to ask for guidance. I would like to say that it' | 01:49 |
| Estel_ | it's falce, because: | 01:49 |
| Estel_ | on april, this issue was rised first time by me, using mailing list. I proposed to make councilors ineglible to get device, by default. | 01:50 |
| Estel_ | Communtiy response was 100% in line that Councilors should be eglible, as they're volunteers (unpadi) + we got about 20% of voices like "councilors should *have* devices by default" | 01:50 |
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| Estel_ | 2. It was rised again, on TMO, during final creation of IRC rules | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I might be wrong regarding that | 01:51 |
| Estel_ | only one person expressed negative opinion about it, in one liner. Rest of interested Communtiy was, again, positive to idea of councilorsd applying for device. Consensus was that councilor applying can't vote for himself, but wil lwork on reviewing other's people submissions | 01:51 |
| Estel_ | it was again announced via mailing lsit, and in TMO. Nobody protested | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, I know these deteils | 01:52 |
| Estel_ | then CA was in run for 3 weeks, with all submissions public, Councilor's ones too. Nobody protested, except for spamming list :P | 01:52 |
| Estel_ | then, after results... ah, I see You know the rest :) | 01:52 |
| Estel_ | no problem, I just wanted to clarify it, as I haven't had idea how much You were involved in it, beside IRC | 01:52 |
| Estel_ | ~N950 | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just thought Jaffa or GeneralAntilles would have given advice to not do this CA in exactly this way, if you'd have asked them directly. That's just speculation of me though | 01:53 |
| Estel_ | I may be wrong here, because, as said, shaping CA started in April, But I remember, at least Jaffa input on mailing list | 01:53 |
| Estel_ | if I'm not wrong | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, then maybe their answers were different that what I expected they were | 01:54 |
| Estel_ | again, don't quote me on that, but I think he was amongst people suggesting, that Council.ors should be eglible to participate. BTW, I really like this Community for acting like that, I.E deciding to review submissions by merit, not by who is which role | 01:54 |
| Estel_ | ...and I understand better why You've once set (or kept, no idea) TMO as troll,s morons, and oxies :P | 01:54 |
| Estel_ | actually, only 4 trolls making noise there, but enough for 30 pages in 3 days | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 01:55 |
| Estel_ | BTw, I agree that Your idea of applying devices to Councilor before CA is interesting. Hoever, I'm afraid it would create even more oucry | 01:55 |
| Estel_ | outcry* | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though only abill_uk qualifies for a real troll in my book | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, probably not | 01:55 |
| Estel_ | well, AFAIK Aries is abil equvalent in Harmattan Community... | 01:55 |
| Estel_ | and that's real issue why he elft few months ago... | 01:56 |
| Estel_ | then returned here as self-proclaimed voice of Harmattan ;) | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aries contributed quite a bit to CSSU last time I checked | 01:56 |
| Macer | the swiss pass out free heroin to addicts | 01:56 |
| Estel_ | ? Where? isn't it name coincidence? | 01:56 |
| Macer | how awesome of a society is that? | 01:56 |
| Estel_ | Macer, :P | 01:56 |
| Estel_ | vi_ ping | 01:56 |
| Macer | seems like a lot of community drama | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I also wondered about name coincidence first, iirc | 01:57 |
| Estel_ | it seems that it ended, anyway | 01:57 |
| Macer | obviously if all these things are issues then there needs to be a solid way to quantify contributions to the community ;) | 01:57 |
| Estel_ | for 2 days i don't see this shit in active topics anymore | 01:57 |
| Macer | like: wiki's written, solutions made... etc | 01:58 |
| Macer | someone can keep track of this stuff heh | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since one day it's closed now ;-D | 01:58 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, it would be extremely hard foro hi mto contribute to CSSU, as he never held N900 in hand, and don't own N9 or N950 for months now, but, maybe... | 01:58 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, haha :D | 01:58 |
| Estel_ | Macer, and the, compare grapples to oranges? | 01:58 |
| Macer | how is that? :) | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | i.e. how many thanks on TMO = wiki edit?:P | 01:59 |
| Macer | no.. thanks are lame haha | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | and one package is what? 5 articles?:P | 01:59 |
| Macer | heh.. i would say more of a point system | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | those things are always subjective | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | or we end up with idiotic results | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | and, despite this small shitstorm, I must admit - shamelessly - that most people were satisfied by results | 01:59 |
| Macer | article = 5 pts.. applied accepted edit = 1 etc ;) | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | no matter if they won or not | 01:59 |
| Macer | well.. i think the problem is that people are selfish and concentrate on the things they do | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | I recall 2 people that lost and cried, after all, and 2 that were not involved in any way, but still cried ;0 | 02:00 |
| Macer | without any regard to what others .. nor do they have a quick way to quantify WHY the other person won and not them ;) | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: we have a solid way to qualify - as solid as it gets, called karma | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, you know that chem|st won one too? | 02:00 |
| Macer | LOL... karma hahaha | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only IRC never got into the equation | 02:00 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: lol.. http ruined the world ;) | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | ^^this, + as You see, it's not even possible to agree on whats qualify | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | *this = irc, not http) | 02:01 |
| Macer | irc ruined the world? | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | IO would opt for reasonable people doing reasonable choices of winners, and, if not for those 4 people trolling, it seems that everyone agreed | 02:01 |
| Macer | no way.. irc is great ;) | 02:01 |
| Estel_ | Macer, no, fire ruined the world :P | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | I meant that irc doesn't qualify for karma, though, seriously | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless all is based on karma, or been at least | 02:02 |
| Macer | Estel_: i'd say evolution ;) | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, honestly, I'm quite sure that most winners got their karma high | 02:02 |
| Macer | you are talking of some sort of some webapp or something? | 02:02 |
| Macer | or actual karma? :) | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, also, someone may have 328757437854 karma, but been inactive for year | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | while Ca was for continous contributions | 02:02 |
| * Macer starts to spread happy thoughts to people | 02:02 | |
| Estel_ | Macer, karma is point system in TMO | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, the karma decay is not completely implemented | 02:03 |
| Macer | oh | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | not TMO | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | maemo.org | 02:03 |
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| Estel_ | some points for wiki, some points for edits, apckage testing, uploading, thanks onh tmo... | 02:03 |
| Macer | there's karma ratings? :) i never really browsed maemo.org too often | 02:03 |
| Macer | only for need.. never for interest | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | See? That why You were not good candidate for CA :P | 02:03 |
| Macer | i guess | 02:03 |
| Macer | i just hate the web ;) | 02:04 |
| Macer | can't blame me for that | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | phone too? | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | of course | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | i'm just curious | 02:04 |
| Macer | phone too? no way. i love my n900 | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | You know, landlines got some romantic feel to them, now everyone cvarry phone with him... | 02:04 |
| Macer | i'm still heartbroken it is broken :( | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | I'm joking. | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | Macer, so repair it? | 02:04 |
| RiD | eyo girl wuss poppin :> | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | Or buy new motherboard | 02:04 |
| Macer | you can buy new n900 motherboards? | 02:04 |
| Macer | heh | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | hi blackberry | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | Macer, no, You can buy new N90 0and take motherboard from it | 02:05 |
| Macer | LOL | 02:05 |
| Macer | this is my 2nd one ;) | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | = you can buy N900 with sad body and screen, then sue it's motherboard to repair Your ideal condition N900 | 02:05 |
| Macer | first one had the usb break off | 02:05 |
| Macer | 2nd one had the sim card reader/modem issue | 02:05 |
| RiD | lol | 02:05 |
| Macer | i think i'm tapped out of will to buy another one | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | Well, from time to time I have N900's with reinforced (via soldering, not epoxy...) ports, for sale | 02:05 |
| RiD | i only got one, about to send it to warranty this week lol | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | RiD, and then to sue Nokia for trashing it? | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | without Your allowance? | 02:06 |
| Macer | RiD: i couldn't they said the phone had to be sent via UK | 02:06 |
| Macer | sigh | 02:06 |
| Macer | at least the wifi still works.. i use it time to time | 02:06 |
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| RiD | Estel_ i there is still hope | 02:06 |
| Macer | but i have att now anyways.. only reason i kept tmob was for my beloved n900 :( | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | yea, that someone will finally sue them for criminal "support" | 02:06 |
| RiD | Estel_ and i suck at hardware reparations - and i wouldn't trust repair shops around here. They fix your issue, and add a couple more ones | 02:06 |
| Macer | tmobile totally sucks in chicago | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | RiD, totally agree | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | but be carefull | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | and write in bold letters, that you don't accept replacement, and don't allow them to recycle it | 02:07 |
| Estel_ | as they seem to do so without asking | 02:07 |
| RiD | I am going to do that | 02:07 |
| Macer | lol | 02:07 |
| RiD | for sure. Also warn the guy at the nokia care | 02:07 |
| Macer | i wouldn't mind an e7 :) | 02:07 |
| Macer | or an n950 :-P | 02:07 |
| Estel_ | yea, to sell it and buy N900 + have cash in hand after whole transaction | 02:07 |
| Macer | Estel_: well.. i'd actually WANT the e7 ;) | 02:07 |
| Macer | symbian doesn't suck | 02:07 |
| Estel_ | eh, I already got one idi... guy asking me, if my N950 is for sale | 02:07 |
| Macer | N950s are collectors items | 02:08 |
| Estel_ | symbian doesn't suck, it just blowjob Your mind | 02:08 |
| Macer | haha | 02:08 |
| Estel_ | he is smartphone, so he is smart, You don't have to. | 02:08 |
| Macer | yeah i guess.. but as long as i have a gtalk/xmpp and ssh client i'm good | 02:08 |
| Macer | the rest is unnecessary | 02:08 |
| Estel_ | he steals being smart from you :p | 02:08 |
| RiD | Macer i can give you a symbian device. N73 | 02:08 |
| Estel_ | 5320 :P | 02:08 |
| Macer | RiD: lol | 02:08 |
| RiD | Macer little use. Missing screen, keyboard, case, speakers. Only motherboard + flex cable | 02:08 |
| Macer | i had an n95 | 02:08 |
| Macer | but i want a newer one ;) | 02:08 |
| Macer | like an e7 | 02:09 |
| RiD | Macer no scratches at all. (since it has no case) | 02:09 |
| Macer | mostly for the qwerty | 02:09 |
| Macer | haha | 02:09 |
| RiD | Macer want a better option? It's in pristine condition | 02:09 |
| Macer | give me an n900 instead :-P | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | seriously, E7 suxx, I want computer with phone function in my pocket | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | not phone pretending that it can sshso it's computer :P | 02:09 |
| Macer | Estel_: n900 is the only one ;) | 02:09 |
| Macer | the rest suck | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | sadly, yes | 02:09 |
| Macer | i have a lumia 900.. sucks | 02:09 |
| RiD | Macer i thought about selling mine, took a look at those monster quad cores but erm | 02:09 |
| Macer | android sucks. ios sucks | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | although, some guys try to chroot into fremantle from harm | 02:09 |
| Macer | maemo was the ONLY ONE | 02:09 |
| RiD | They all seem so impractical to multitask on | 02:09 |
| Macer | wow i hate nokia | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | and have HD working | 02:09 |
| Macer | heh | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | (hildon desktop) | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | well, Fremantle run from chroot with 1GB of RAM would be somehow nice | 02:10 |
| Macer | maemo was the only true linux distro on a phone | 02:10 |
| Macer | :( | 02:10 |
| Estel_ | of course they want to sp;are us closed blobs | 02:10 |
| * Macer sheds another tear for his n900 | 02:10 | |
| Macer | it's like the crippled kid | 02:10 |
| Estel_ | Macer, Mer is, but fre ui for it - Nemo - is terrible | 02:10 |
| RiD | More like nowadays music :> | 02:10 |
| Macer | heh | 02:10 |
| Macer | that's what i hear | 02:10 |
| Macer | but no ui is no fun | 02:10 |
| Estel_ | MAcer, but there is also plasma active, no idea about it | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: (karma) http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma | 02:11 |
| Macer | i haen't tried it | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | write Your own :p | 02:11 |
| Macer | i want to put plasma on my transformer | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | :) | 02:11 |
| Macer | just need to figure out how soon :) | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | so do Yourself a favor and make plasma lamp | 02:11 |
| Macer | maybe i will do it this weekend | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | like good novice electronic engineer :P | 02:11 |
| Macer | plasma lamps are awesome :-P | 02:11 |
| Estel_ | in fact, they are | 02:11 |
| Macer | but i honestly wouldn't mind an e7 | 02:12 |
| Macer | i mean it isn't a bad phone.. just not well accepted :) | 02:12 |
| RiD | I also like those green glowing things that you put on your keys | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | but, but, plasma as a mean to keep vacuum in penetrable container is even more OP | 02:12 |
| RiD | actually radiactive. but i forgot the name | 02:12 |
| Macer | but my lumia 900 allows almost no background running | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | RiD, androids, probably | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | Macer, don't say that name in public :P | 02:12 |
| Macer | best you can get is an app going while in the foreground with the screen blanked | 02:12 |
| RiD | Estel_ they're not that cool | 02:12 |
| Estel_ | try that with wifi on ;) | 02:12 |
| Macer | Estel_: LOL yeah.. the wifi sucks too ;) | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | Rid, little green guys to be put into your keys... looks like perfect description of android mascot | 02:13 |
| Macer | wtf is up with turning it off when the screen goes off | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | radioactive too | 02:13 |
| Macer | with no way to keep it on? | 02:13 |
| Macer | and NO wifi settings.. other than connecting with dhcp | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | Macer, it's winphonme legacy | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | winphone 6 was the same | 02:13 |
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| Macer | they need to get rid of that | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | few years ago I spent few days trying to figure out how to make it On with screen off | 02:13 |
| Macer | the wifi chipsets probably waste less power than the cell modem :-P | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | for my father's smartphone | 02:13 |
| Macer | you can't | 02:13 |
| Macer | lol | 02:13 |
| Estel_ | no, seriously?:P noticed that | 02:14 |
| Macer | you can't even set an ip or dns or gateway etc | 02:14 |
| Macer | wtf? | 02:14 |
| Estel_ | why you shouldn't, it have to be smart, not You | 02:14 |
| Macer | what if you didn't use dhcp? | 02:14 |
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| Estel_ | it know better | 02:14 |
| Macer | you're just screwed unless you use dhcp i guess | 02:14 |
| Macer | maybe if it doesn't find a dhcp server it asks you for the info | 02:14 |
| Macer | i wonder | 02:14 |
| Estel_ | honestly, I'm surprised that You don't sell this crap, but, of course, none of my business | 02:14 |
| Macer | it isn't that bad at all tbh.. as far as a phone goes | 02:14 |
| Estel_ | Mace,r sure, and what about DHCP servers that servere only pre-defined macs?... | 02:15 |
| Macer | i just miss the n900 luxuries :-/ | 02:15 |
| Estel_ | Macer, it *is* that bad, esp for that price. i.e. even if they give it for free | 02:15 |
| Macer | yeah hahaha. .it was pretty much free when i got it | 02:15 |
| Estel_ | MAcer, I don't have this problem - I use N900 and don't need to miss anything :) | 02:15 |
| Macer | well.. 2 of my n900s broke | 02:15 |
| Macer | i'm not buying another one unless i find one for like 20$ | 02:15 |
| Macer | heh | 02:15 |
| Estel_ | *shrugs* solder usb on 3th one and You should be good | 02:15 |
| Estel_ | no problem .I can sell you one for 180 euro :p | 02:16 |
| ds3 | how did it break? | 02:16 |
| Macer | ds3: sim reader problem | 02:16 |
| Macer | where it keeps resetting the sim | 02:16 |
| Estel_ | his n900? 1st usb port 2nd cell modem failure | 02:16 |
| Estel_ | Macer, try hammer method from TMO :P | 02:16 |
| ds3 | oh | 02:16 |
| Macer | hammer method? LOL | 02:16 |
| Macer | that doesn't sound good | 02:16 |
| Macer | did the person who wrote it get an n950? | 02:16 |
| Estel_ | yea, one guy fixed it by using hammer and nails, and it was xnot joke | 02:16 |
| Estel_ | haha | 02:17 |
| Macer | contribution of the year | 02:17 |
| Estel_ | well, I suspect broken solder joints | 02:17 |
| Macer | goes to .. the hammer method | 02:17 |
| Estel_ | reflowing would fix it better | 02:17 |
| Macer | broken solder joints? | 02:17 |
| Macer | why not just resolder? | 02:17 |
| * Estel_ nods | 02:17 | |
| Estel_ | no idea, I would resolder. | 02:17 |
| Estel_ | he preffered hammer. | 02:17 |
| * Estel_ shrugs | 02:17 | |
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| Macer | heh | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | reflowing is not particularly trivial | 02:17 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, but it's not under chip | 02:18 |
| Estel_ | it's only under sim car holder | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure it is | 02:18 |
| Macer | is it? | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm - no. | 02:18 |
| Estel_ | card* | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | SIM card errors are not errors due to the SIM card connector | 02:18 |
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| Estel_ | well, if using hammer @ sim car holderhelped him... | 02:18 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, sometimes are. | 02:18 |
| Estel_ | sometimes it's about gsm modem | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I would go so far as to say almost never. | 02:18 |
| Macer | how can you tell the difference? | 02:18 |
| Estel_ | so, people putting 2nd sim or paper to make pressure? | 02:18 |
| Macer | yeah. mine worked ok putting pressure on it with paper | 02:19 |
| Macer | for a while.. then it stopped working :( | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, if spcing the contacts out on the SIM reader, or cleaning them made it work again flawlessly | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Putting paper under it also stresses the board | 02:19 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: i tried that too | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | which can change the nature of a bad solder ball. | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | and make it contact again for a bit | 02:19 |
| Macer | or just hit it with a hammer and bend it back | 02:20 |
| Macer | :) | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, someone suggested, that heat from battery make sim card holder - and, through it, balls - to heat and cool | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | thus errors | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | bullshit? | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | or can be related? | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | somehow, I doubt it... | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | There is essentially no heat from the battery that's meaningful. | 02:20 |
| Macer | heat from the battery ? heh | 02:20 |
| Macer | i was about to say | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, exactly my thoughts | 02:20 |
| Macer | the battery probably doesn't produce much | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | At most ~20C - with an old battery | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | I'vbe never seen it going more than 60 C | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, no joke, when using 1A of power it's 50c without problem | 02:21 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: so are the broken contacts simply unreachable with a soldering iron? | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | Macer, yes. | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | simcardholder pins are _not_ under simcard holder | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | but ther eis other idea | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a plain 8 pins easily resolderable | 02:21 |
| Macer | that sucks | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: they are under the chips likely | 02:21 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, huh? so why paper between simcard and holder works? | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: A delaminated board. | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and gigantic in relation to other such pads | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: Ball | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle resoldering the SIM connector is easy | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 02:22 |
| Estel_ | well, many people repaired video cards by removing what was possible to be removed... | 02:22 |
| Estel_ | and putting it for ten minutes in oven | 02:22 |
| Estel_ | 250 C | 02:22 |
| Macer | LOL! | 02:22 |
| Estel_ | side effect - plastic aprts on motherboard lose color | 02:22 |
| Macer | in soviet russia we bake phones! | 02:22 |
| Estel_ | Macer, it's old, actually, and confirmed to work ion 90 % of cases | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, that's possible, to a degree. | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | (if it doens't work due to bad ball) | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 02:23 |
| Macer | wow really? | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | It would however require several test cycles to find a likely profile that will work, and not kill the board. | 02:23 |
| Macer | you lie :) | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | of course. It's all due to crappy, RoHS solder used | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | nope | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, true | 02:23 |
| Macer | crazy | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | wlel, good old Pb solder was more resistant | 02:23 |
| Macer | but i feel skeptical about doing that | 02:23 |
| Estel_ | Macer, |I was surprised to first time :p | 02:24 |
| Estel_ | Macer, actually, do it only if You have nothing to lose | 02:24 |
| Macer | how much would nokia charge to fix it? | 02:24 |
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| Macer | if i sent it in for repair? | 02:24 |
| Estel_ | i.e. graphic card, that cost similar ammount to reflowing | 02:24 |
| Macer | and opted to pay? | 02:24 |
| Estel_ | Macer, they wouldn't fix it for any ammount of money | 02:24 |
| Macer | lol | 02:24 |
| Macer | wtf? | 02:24 |
| Estel_ | ask them | 02:24 |
| Macer | how much would their contracted repair place charge? | 02:24 |
| Macer | heh | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: they will not fix it | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, BTw, you know that I was able to screw one N900 while strenghtening USb port via solder method? | 02:25 |
| Macer | so my option is to reflow or shove it in an oven? | 02:25 |
| Macer | heh | 02:25 |
| Macer | wtf? | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | somehow, still mystery for me, USB - and V5 got crossed | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | no idea why, my soldering iron was far away | 02:25 |
| Estel_ | happened to me only, once, I was super carefull from this accident | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strange | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | the strangest thing was that I wasn't able to see cross looking at pins | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | and when connected charger to port, it looked like spark is coming from inside laminate, lol | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | just like heat made it to cross under surface | 02:26 |
| Estel_ | it was fuckin unrepairable | 02:27 |
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| Macer | so set the oven to 250 and keep it in ther ehow long? | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 02:27 |
| Estel_ | that made, of course, my charhing chip totally broken, resulting in one N900 inw orld that does work, but doesn't answer for i2c request regarding charging | 02:27 |
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| Macer | too bad i can't just put it in the microwave | 02:27 |
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| Estel_ | siode effect - camera wasn't working too, for reasons unknown, I've scavenged working camera module from it | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | Macer, haha | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | Macer, instructions are likely: | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | pre-heat oven to 250 C | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | dissasemble N900 removing whatever is possible to remove, camera module absolutely necessary | 02:28 |
| Macer | i have to preheat it too? am i baking cookies afterwards? :) | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | or it will be screwed | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | yes :) | 02:28 |
| nox- | ..and your next pizza will taste like? :) | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Preheat for 12 hours at 80C | 02:28 |
| Macer | nox-: chinese | 02:28 |
| Estel_ | when it's 250 C, put N900 for 7 to 10 minutes | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | to avoid the chips popcorning | 02:28 |
| nox- | Macer, :) | 02:29 |
| Estel_ | preheat oven only, not N900 :P | 02:29 |
| Estel_ | well, it's true, that smell isn't best | 02:29 |
| Macer | Estel_: maybe i'll try it this weekend ;) | 02:29 |
| Estel_ | better do it without wife at home | 02:29 |
| Estel_ | 7-10 minutews | 02:29 |
| Estel_ | no longer | 02:29 |
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| Estel_ | and remove it quickly | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Preheat the n900 | 02:29 |
| Estel_ | then, allow it to cool slowly | 02:29 |
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| Estel_ | "don't remove it quickly*" | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | you need to dry out any moisture in the chips. | 02:29 |
| Macer | cam module is just a detatchable ribbon cable isn't it? | 02:29 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, lol, I was told to not pre-heat it | 02:30 |
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| Estel_ | Macer, no | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Preheating to 80C. | 02:30 |
| Estel_ | Speed evil, and then? | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF? disconnected | 02:30 |
| Macer | detatchable part? i forget.. i haven't taken one apart since my usb debacle | 02:30 |
| Estel_ | MAcer, to remove camera module You need either camera module removal tool, or two gilletes | 02:30 |
| Estel_ | and screwdriver | 02:30 |
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| Estel_ | or one gillete broken into two | 02:30 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: the irc council had a vote and decided only they get the irc connections | 02:31 |
| Estel_ | and screwdriver | 02:31 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, good point about moisture and popcorn | 02:31 |
| Macer | Estel_: honestly. are you from russia? :) | 02:31 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, so, after pre-heating N90 0to 80 C, remove it form oven and pre-heat oven to 250, or what? | 02:31 |
| Estel_ | Macer, nope | 02:31 |
| Macer | two half gillettes and a screwdriver? hehe | 02:31 |
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| Estel_ | and baking chips was invented in UK | 02:31 |
| Macer | sounds like soviet spacecraft work | 02:31 |
| nox- | haha | 02:31 |
| Estel_ | MAcer, try to remove module otherwise, without removal tool which is freaking expensive | 02:31 |
| Estel_ | :P | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ami.ac.uk/courses/topics/0159_moab/solutions/0159_moab_s01.htm | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | popcorn | 02:32 |
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| Estel_ | well, for me it sounds like DIOY ;) | 02:32 |
| Macer | LOL | 02:32 |
| Estel_ | DIY* | 02:32 |
| Macer | well.. i will try it out this weekend | 02:32 |
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| Macer | worst i'll have is just another broken n900 | 02:32 |
| Macer | i'll just send you guys the other parts like the screens etc :-P | 02:32 |
| Macer | maybe i'll get an n950 for my community work | 02:32 |
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| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, so, seriously,l after pre-heating N900 to 80C, what next? | 02:33 |
| Estel_ | remove it from the oven? | 02:33 |
| Estel_ | and heat oven further, to 250 C? | 02:33 |
| Macer | lol.. .C? | 02:33 |
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| Macer | i'd need to convert to F :-P | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | leave it for 12 hours | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | then remove | 02:33 |
| Macer | you wacky EUs | 02:33 |
| Estel_ | Mace,r one guy already promsied that he will try to repair broken eMMC balls with it, but he never replied | 02:33 |
| Macer | with your weird measurements | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I question this is useful though | 02:33 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, no no | 02:34 |
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| Estel_ | I'm asking how to p[rotect 80 C N900 from moisture | 02:34 |
| Estel_ | while pre-heating oven to 250 C | 02:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Doesn't matter | 02:34 |
| Estel_ | and before you put it to 250 C for 6-10 minutes | 02:34 |
| Macer | Estel_: well. like i said.. i'll look it up and try it over the weekend | 02:34 |
| * Estel_ nods | 02:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | it will be dry, and will not absorb moisture meaningfully in the time it's out | 02:34 |
| Macer | who knows :) | 02:34 |
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| Estel_ | Macer, ok, but listen, to notmake fata mistake | 02:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | The problem is that moisture gets deep into the package | 02:34 |
| Estel_ | after 6-10 minutes, immediately open oven and turn it off, but don't remove N90 0from it | 02:34 |
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| Estel_ | let it cool down slowly | 02:35 |
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| Estel_ | to avoid cracking of balls | 02:35 |
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| Estel_ | and, basically, anything | 02:35 |
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| Macer | so don't put it in a pool of water afterwards like i'm smelting iron swords? | 02:35 |
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| Estel_ | it should drop quicklyto 150 or 120 C due to opened owen,... | 02:35 |
| Estel_ | Macer, yea ;) | 02:35 |
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| Estel_ | then report back | 02:35 |
| Macer | :) | 02:35 |
| Macer | ok | 02:35 |
| Macer | what do i put it on? | 02:35 |
| Macer | a pizza pan? | 02:35 |
| Estel_ | and, remember, 8-10 minutes was for graphic cards, which are bigger a little | 02:35 |
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| Estel_ | erm, baking paper? | 02:36 |
| Macer | baking paper? | 02:36 |
| Macer | foil? | 02:36 |
| * Estel_ nods | 02:36 | |
| Estel_ | it's sold as foil or as paper, both high temperature resistant | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | remember to strip n900 motherboard bare as much as possible | 02:36 |
| Macer | yeah will do | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | and asny plastic part may lose it's colour | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | I'm not sure about keyboard, the internal one, and it's foil | 02:37 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, might have better knowledge if it's removeable | 02:37 |
| Estel_ | and re-attachable | 02:37 |
| Macer | the keyboard has plastic that melts rather easily | 02:37 |
| Estel_ | i don't mean black keyboard | 02:37 |
| Macer | i know :-P | 02:37 |
| Estel_ | i'm thinking about white thing on motherboard, that cover real keys | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is, when you are extremely carefull | 02:37 |
| Macer | i'm talking the internal white stuff | 02:37 |
| Estel_ | yea | 02:37 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, how this things is removed and re-attached? | 02:38 |
| Estel_ | it's glued, isn't it? | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | razotblade otr dentis-pin | 02:38 |
| Estel_ | well, i'm very curious what you will cook. | 02:38 |
| * Estel_ nods | 02:38 | |
| Macer | heh | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and *carefully* | 02:38 |
| Macer | in soviet russia we bake n900s | 02:38 |
| Estel_ | I was able to de-attach digitizer from mask this way | 02:38 |
| Estel_ | well, in fact, in USA | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sticky | 02:38 |
| Macer | lol | 02:38 |
| Estel_ | as You'r one will be first confirmed report of such try | 02:38 |
| Macer | Estel_: some may argue they are the same thing nowadays | 02:39 |
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| Estel_ | I'm keeping my thumbs for it ;) | 02:39 |
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| Estel_ | well, don't over-cook it | 02:39 |
| Estel_ | and it stand chance | 02:39 |
| Macer | heh.. i will do it this weekend | 02:39 |
| Macer | saturday | 02:39 |
| Estel_ | would be epicly funny to see it repaired this way | 02:39 |
| Macer | if it works that would be awesome | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | attaching is maybe even more demanding than removing | 02:39 |
| Macer | i'll blog it ;) | 02:39 |
| Estel_ | just don't do like thisd last guy who promised to try it and never ever answered again | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has to fit, you know? | 02:39 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: the keyboard? | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 02:39 |
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| Macer | heh | 02:39 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, from common sense, what's worse, removing it and re-attaching, or risk of melting it? | 02:40 |
| Macer | can't i just use some sort of air heater? | 02:40 |
| Macer | :) | 02:40 |
| Estel_ | I don't think it have chance in 250 C for 7 minutes | 02:40 |
| Macer | on the specific section? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a Nokia guiding tool for attaching new domesheet | 02:40 |
| Estel_ | Macer, no way | 02:40 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, we need to hire mercenaries and scavenge some tools from Nokia | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it will melt and go fubar | 02:40 |
| Estel_ | would make life easier | 02:40 |
| Macer | heh ah well | 02:41 |
| Estel_ | so, removal is necessary | 02:41 |
| * SpeedEvil wants a pile of old broken n900 motherboards. | 02:41 | |
| Macer | Estel_: mark your calendar | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | definitely not rewlow'able | 02:41 |
| Macer | i will do it this weekend | 02:41 |
| Estel_ | on TMO there is photo on how to remove camera module with gilletes and screwdriver | 02:41 |
| Macer | and bake my n900 | 02:41 |
| Macer | hahhaha | 02:41 |
| Estel_ | "what's cooking"? :) | 02:41 |
| Macer | if it breaks... i'll blend it | 02:41 |
| Macer | well.. oven type stuff is more of a bake | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | (well, I want a pile of new, working OMAP5 boards, but...) | 02:41 |
| Macer | cooking is usually pans | 02:41 |
| Macer | i want a rasberry pi :-/ | 02:42 |
| Macer | people started getting them and i hear they're actually quite awesome | 02:42 |
| Estel_ | Today I got reply that those bastards sent it via royal mail, 2-3 weekls delivery | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: It's a 12 year old laptop - basically. | 02:42 |
| Estel_ | and they charged like for DHL | 02:42 |
| Macer | they have a ver of xbmc that works great on raspi | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: With a decent GPU, that can decode one modern codec | 02:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'great' varies. | 02:42 |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, but 12 years old laptop weights 3 KG | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: ping | 02:42 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: well... he said it plays 1080p mkv just fine running rasbmc | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: any mail? | 02:43 |
| Estel_ | Macer, but it doesn't play DVD's, i.e. mpeg-2 | 02:43 |
| Estel_ | :P | 02:43 |
| Macer | wh the hell uses that anymore? :) | 02:43 |
| Macer | mpeg2 is like .. so 1990s | 02:43 |
| Estel_ | Macer, DVB-T in some countries, and, of course, good old DVDS | 02:43 |
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| Macer | Estel_: i haven't even touched a dvd in like 5 years | 02:43 |
| Estel_ | XBMC without DVD is questionable | 02:43 |
| Macer | that's what handbrake is for ;) | 02:43 |
| Estel_ | don't tell me that You use blue-ray daily ;) | 02:44 |
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| Macer | no | 02:44 |
| Macer | i usually just encode mkvs | 02:44 |
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| Estel_ | encodiong = quality loss | 02:44 |
| Estel_ | I'mquality geek | 02:44 |
| Macer | Estel_: i'm not that much of a videophile to care ;) | 02:44 |
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| Macer | and high quality h264/dts works fine | 02:44 |
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| Estel_ | for music I either use FLAC or ogg with settings, that make it "transparent encoding" | 02:44 |
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| Macer | you'd have to have an eagle eye and dog ears to notice it :) | 02:45 |
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| Estel_ | which reminds me of idiots who record in 96 KHZ just to down-sample it to 48 later | 02:45 |
| Estel_ | because they think it produce better quality | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | They may be right, depending on the filter. | 02:46 |
| Macer | heh | 02:46 |
| Estel_ | Macer, hardware improves, I want it to persist ideal for historical reasons too, not be forced to re-encode from loong-lsot originals in 10 years | 02:46 |
| RiD | i hate securom so much :[ | 02:46 |
| Macer | vinyl is a more true sound | 02:46 |
| * Macer hides | 02:46 | |
| Estel_ | SpeedEvil, honestly, if You plan to mix in 48, better record in it | 02:46 |
| RiD | not if you scratch it :D | 02:46 |
| Macer | RiD: heh | 02:46 |
| Estel_ | RiD, exactly | 02:46 |
| Macer | RiD: i saw people arguing over that crap for an hour | 02:46 |
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| Macer | talking about how the analog wave produces a richer sound | 02:46 |
| RiD | and I came here to extend that period | 02:46 |
| Macer | like someone would even notice that | 02:47 |
| Macer | digital waves step | 02:47 |
| Estel_ | Macer, honestly, it doesn't produce a richer sound,s but sound that they're more used too | 02:47 |
| Estel_ | I'm used to my Audigy 2ZS gold sound | 02:47 |
| Estel_ | cause every equipment got it own little disortions | 02:47 |
| RiD | i'm used to crap speakers | 02:47 |
| Estel_ | that we get used to | 02:47 |
| Macer | i guess... but these fools swore the waves produced by analog as oppsed to digital were better | 02:47 |
| RiD | because crap is cheap | 02:47 |
| Macer | be serious :) | 02:47 |
| Macer | nobody can physically hear that | 02:47 |
| Estel_ | Macer, what really destroyes effect is loudness war | 02:47 |
| Estel_ | *this* is thing everyone can hear | 02:48 |
| RiD | people worrying about the vinyl | 02:48 |
| RiD | how about the actual speakers | 02:48 |
| Estel_ | i.e. sacrificing varying sound (sounds range) for just mixing louder | 02:48 |
| Estel_ | RiD, in fact, good sounding speakers doesn't have to be expensive | 02:48 |
| Macer | RiD: lol | 02:48 |
| Estel_ | many expensive are good ones, but it's not rule | 02:48 |
| Macer | the best ones are the people with digital turntables :) | 02:49 |
| Estel_ | dafuq? | 02:49 |
| RiD | Estel_ i know. I am currently using not-good-for-audiophiles old Logitech Z-560 | 02:49 |
| Macer | which convert the sound to digital anyways | 02:49 |
| Estel_ | Macer, lol | 02:49 |
| Macer | don't newer turntables have lasers? | 02:49 |
| RiD | Just don't feel like spending money on it anytime soon. With a global equalizer to raise the higher pitches it still sounds reasonalbe. | 02:49 |
| Estel_ | I would love analog that measures vinyl by laser, not physical needle | 02:49 |
| Estel_ | RiD, i don't use equalizers at all, unles on really, really disorted things | 02:50 |
| Macer | Estel_: real time tick and scratch skipping ? ;) | 02:50 |
| Estel_ | like mobile speakers | 02:50 |
| Estel_ | Macer, no, just protecting vinyls from scratch | 02:50 |
| RiD | Estel_ i use equalizer because my speakers lack some higher mids and the highs overall | 02:50 |
| Estel_ | when laser or diode follows track, not needle | 02:50 |
| Macer | finding new vinyls is hard sometimes | 02:50 |
| Estel_ | Macer, not necessary | 02:50 |
| Macer | Estel_: i thought they had those | 02:50 |
| Macer | laser needles | 02:51 |
| Estel_ | Macer, quite possible, I don't have one, so I'm afraid to run my vinyls :P | 02:51 |
| Estel_ | well, actually, I have some vinyls and no adaptor at all :P | 02:51 |
| Macer | heh | 02:51 |
| Estel_ | basically, i'm collecting everything related to Tori Amos music | 02:51 |
| Macer | you should look it up ;) | 02:51 |
| Macer | best part is when you get the laser needle.. get ready to use it.. pull the vinyl out.. and drop the record onto the floor lol | 02:52 |
| Estel_ | ...including some pirate things, that she haven't been aware of (existence) while signing it | 02:52 |
| RiD | The only thing i collect is dust on my table. | 02:53 |
| Estel_ | wqell, I do listen to this music, except vinyls, kept for special ocassions | 02:54 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 02:54 |
| Estel_ | so, I'm eagerly waiting for Macer report about cxooking, lol. Without high hopes, but... | 02:55 |
| RiD | hell, i hate this securom drm | 02:55 |
| Estel_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_taI-CkPD3M | 02:56 |
| Estel_ | RiD, get rid of securom | 02:56 |
| RiD | i have to use it | 02:56 |
| RiD | otherwise i can't play the game | 02:56 |
| Estel_ | http://www.addictivetips.com/hardware/fix-your-graphics-card-by-baking-in-oven/ | 02:57 |
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| Estel_ | RiD, don't play games with securom | 02:57 |
| Estel_ | either pirate it on purpose, or screw as whole :) | 02:57 |
| Estel_ | Macer, they converted it to F, but they use 200 C | 02:57 |
| Estel_ | I recommend more | 02:57 |
| Estel_ | maybe 250 is too high for N900 | 02:57 |
| RiD | well | 02:57 |
| Estel_ | 220? | 02:57 |
| RiD | 230 is the sweet spot | 02:57 |
| RiD | SecuROM detects the disc emulator software | 02:58 |
| Estel_ | from math, or from practice? | 02:58 |
| Estel_ | RiD, I know | 02:58 |
| RiD | practice | 02:58 |
| Estel_ | but it have been hacked anyway, ages ago | 02:58 |
| RiD | I really need a workaround | 02:58 |
| RiD | Yes, but apparently I'm not updated on these areas | 02:58 |
| Estel_ | jsut don't playgames with securom | 02:58 |
| RiD | but then I can't play my favorite game | 02:58 |
| Estel_ | tell vendors that release witrrh securom to GTFO | 02:58 |
| RiD | that i finally legally own lol | 02:58 |
| Estel_ | show them middle finger | 02:58 |
| Estel_ | so sell it on aftermarket with disgust | 02:59 |
| Estel_ | :P | 02:59 |
| Raimu | Buy physical copy, leech warez version off the Internet. | 02:59 |
| Estel_ | securom is *only* to not allow legal owners to play | 02:59 |
| Raimu | Sorry, did I say warez? I meant to say Linux distro! | 02:59 |
| Estel_ | :P | 02:59 |
| Estel_ | RiD, every priating person have no problem with playting securom things downloaded from... erm, linux distro | 02:59 |
| Estel_ | securom is special gift for You, from loving developers | 02:59 |
| Estel_ | and, even more, from vendor | 02:59 |
| RiD | the fact is that I don't own the game physically | 02:59 |
| Estel_ | You own it mentally? | 03:00 |
| RiD | Erm. The game is activated with the serial and so on | 03:00 |
| Estel_ | I know it. I feel like owning dizzy collection from amiga | 03:00 |
| Estel_ | I know, I know :P | 03:00 |
| RiD | but since i don't own the disc, I am trying to get a iso / mds working | 03:00 |
| Estel_ | I tell you, just screw games with securom. At worst, pirate them, as securom is criminal attack on your rights. | 03:00 |
| Estel_ | At best, ignore them as whole | 03:00 |
| RiD | I had it pirated. Then bought it for 0$ | 03:01 |
| Estel_ | tell us more about buying game with secxurom for 0 usd | 03:01 |
| RiD | now i'm trying to fool securom into thinking my virtual disc is physic for real | 03:01 |
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| Estel_ | run it under linux with wine. problem solved | 03:01 |
| RiD | but no multiplayer! | 03:01 |
| Estel_ | why so? | 03:02 |
| RiD | because it needs securom :( | 03:02 |
| Estel_ | so download cracked version, if youre piratting it anyway | 03:02 |
| Estel_ | or mvoe to better games | 03:02 |
| Estel_ | move* | 03:02 |
| RiD | I've been playing this game cracked since 2009 or so. | 03:02 |
| Estel_ | You know how many FOSS games with great details etc are out there waiting for You?:P | 03:02 |
| RiD | But I recently got a legit serial key that validated and all. | 03:03 |
| Estel_ | so continue to do, if you really bought it | 03:03 |
| RiD | But i never owned it physically. I want to try multiplayer | 03:03 |
| Estel_ | You see? being legal only bring troubles | 03:03 |
| RiD | That's why I barely have any physical game | 03:03 |
| Estel_ | burn images on real disc | 03:03 |
| Estel_ | use them | 03:03 |
| Estel_ | with Your legal serial | 03:03 |
| Estel_ | problem solved. | 03:03 |
| RiD | It needs specific settings | 03:03 |
| RiD | i guess | 03:03 |
| RiD | i can't get the DPM right | 03:03 |
| Estel_ | *headdesk* | 03:04 |
| * RST38h yawns, wonders what this conversation is about | 03:04 | |
| Estel_ | no idea, search in google for it | 03:04 |
| Estel_ | RST38h, we jsut ended about cooking N900 in 250 C in oven | 03:04 |
| Macer | wow | 03:04 |
| Estel_ | and popcorning chips | 03:04 |
| Macer | final fantasy for wp7 :) | 03:04 |
| Macer | win! | 03:04 |
| Estel_ | wleh | 03:04 |
| Estel_ | hate thos mangas | 03:04 |
| * nox- not a gamer but this reminds me of http://www.geekologie.com/image.php?path=/2010/02/25/piracy-full.jpg | 03:04 | |
| Macer | hey! show ff some respect! | 03:04 |
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| RiD | conflict again! | 03:05 |
| RiD | damn :( | 03:05 |
| Estel_ | hjahahahhaa | 03:05 |
| Estel_ | nox-, brillant | 03:06 |
| Estel_ | especially, that it's true | 03:06 |
| Estel_ | dissasemble of matrix dvd :P | 03:06 |
| Estel_ | it really looked this way IIRC | 03:06 |
| RiD | i think I found a good fix | 03:06 |
| RiD | at least it works as per 17/08/2011 | 03:06 |
| Estel_ | Rid, throwin it out of window? | 03:06 |
| RiD | since the game was in 2008 or so, there should be no issue | 03:06 |
| RiD | No, it involves throwing out the desk | 03:06 |
| RiD | not window | 03:06 |
| RiD | I'll try it tomorrow. See you all | 03:06 |
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| Estel_ | DAFUQ!? Homeworld on N900! | 04:20 |
| Estel_ | Never though it's possible, really | 04:20 |
| Estel_ | absolutely awesome, heaven for gamers | 04:20 |
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| kwtm | I did. Boy, it's been a long time! | 07:14 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: qt4 built fine with 4.6.3 | 07:49 |
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| zeq | qt seems to work fine too :) | 09:05 |
| freemangordon | zeq: I am going to "almost working" stuff, NFC why, but you should rotate twice in order the contene to be redrawn :( | 09:07 |
| freemangordon | *content | 09:07 |
| * freemangordon is still having his coffee | 09:07 | |
| freemangordon | so, I am going to commit ... | 09:07 |
| zeq | this is based on the bitmap rotation code or h-d rotation? | 09:09 |
| freemangordon | h-d | 09:10 |
| zeq | cool :) | 09:10 |
| freemangordon | all maemo6 stuff is #ifdef'ed | 09:10 |
| zeq | so it's not picking up on the rotation notification? | 09:11 |
| freemangordon | it is | 09:11 |
| zeq | only every other time? | 09:11 |
| freemangordon | no, the notification is pcked up every ti, but the following "resize" not, it seems some more code is needed | 09:12 |
| zeq | strange | 09:13 |
| freemangordon | really | 09:13 |
| freemangordon | but it has something to do with Qt, will need some forther investigation | 09:13 |
| freemangordon | *further | 09:14 |
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| zeq | I'll take a look once it's pushed | 09:14 |
| freemangordon | ok, gimme a minute | 09:14 |
| freemangordon | BTW what is strange is that it rotetes even when blacklisted | 09:15 |
| freemangordon | and there is no setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, true); | 09:15 |
| zeq | ? | 09:17 |
| freemangordon | ok, pushed to master | 09:17 |
| zeq | that shouldn't happen! | 09:17 |
| freemangordon | zeq: I know | 09:17 |
| zeq | I'll get it built and have a look | 09:18 |
| zeq | is the debian/rules setup to just work now? | 09:18 |
| freemangordon | you'll have to fetch from master to maemo5 branch | 09:18 |
| zeq | ok | 09:18 |
| freemangordon | yep, debian/rules should work, but there are in maemo5 | 09:19 |
| freemangordon | *it is | 09:19 |
| zeq | yup ok | 09:19 |
| freemangordon | Am I sleepy, heh :) | 09:19 |
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| zeq | what time is it there? | 09:21 |
| freemangordon | 9:20 | 09:21 |
| zeq | 07:20 here :) | 09:21 |
| zeq | been up since 05:30, breakfast duty | 09:22 |
| freemangordon | it is just very hard to wake me up | 09:22 |
| freemangordon | not that it is early morning | 09:22 |
| zeq | I think I'll get scratchbox running on the server before starting building | 09:26 |
| zeq | I'll take a look at the code while scratchbox installs... | 09:29 |
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| freemangordon | ok. btw I think I found why it rotates when it should not, there is a second process (plugin-container) and it is not blacklisted | 09:30 |
| zeq | ah | 09:31 |
| freemangordon | no, it is not that :( | 09:32 |
| freemangordon | actually the sidebars are ok, just the content (the one in the middle) | 09:32 |
| zeq | changes look good | 09:35 |
| freemangordon | WTF? blacklisting fennec insted of Fennc fices the things. Hooray | 09:36 |
| freemangordon | *fennec instead of Fennec | 09:36 |
| freemangordon | but why it rotates in the first place? | 09:36 |
| zeq | LOL | 09:36 |
| freemangordon | could be something with Qt in CSSU | 09:37 |
| zeq | so you've made it not rotate? | 09:37 |
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| freemangordon | i blacklisted it, and now it behaves correctly every time | 09:37 |
| freemangordon | and rotates as it should | 09:37 |
| zeq | I'm confused | 09:38 |
| freemangordon | no, it is not :(. damn, cannot figure out what triggers correct behaviour. | 09:38 |
| zeq | maybe put it in some debugging output? | 09:40 |
| freemangordon | don't have tim enow, gtg t work in a couple of minutes | 09:40 |
| zeq | I need to test it to understand what's happening | 09:40 |
| zeq | ok. I'll see what I can do. | 09:41 |
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| zeq | see you later :) | 09:42 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 09:42 |
| freemangordon | bb | 09:42 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: any aprticular reason to use Qt backeng instead of GTK? | 11:41 |
| freemangordon | *backend | 11:41 |
| zeq | freemangordon: it's supposed to be much faster, and is now one of only two official fennec backends. | 11:43 |
| zeq | gtk is still there but it's no longer supported | 11:43 |
| zeq | that's why Mozilla dropped fennec for Maemo | 11:43 |
| freemangordon | faster? | 11:44 |
| zeq | hw accelerated rendering | 11:44 |
| freemangordon | hmm, linking with gtk2 backen, lets see if it will run | 11:44 |
| zeq | ok | 11:44 |
| freemangordon | but gtk on maem05 has all the hw acceleraed rendering you may wish | 11:44 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | it is the same one microb is using | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | and it IS fast | 11:45 |
| zeq | yeah, I don't know the rationale for fennec dropping gtk | 11:45 |
| zeq | too many backends to maintain? | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | outdated? | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | as it is gtk2 | 11:46 |
| zeq | it's still the default for firefox afaik | 11:46 |
| zeq | definitely outdated | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | well, lets see. Did you look why the hell Qt one behave strangely? | 11:47 |
| zeq | I was reading the Qt examples for Hildon integration, it doesn't look that difficult to hook up. | 11:47 |
| freemangordon | yep, it is not | 11:47 |
| freemangordon | actually it should work oob | 11:48 |
| zeq | It's taking a while to back up my scratchbox, I forgot to unmount the bind mounts first! | 11:48 |
| zeq | (moving to my server) | 11:48 |
| freemangordon | :D | 11:48 |
| zeq | oops | 11:49 |
| zeq | I did wonder why it was taking so long | 11:49 |
| zeq | I noticed that a #ifdef MOZ_X11 got #ifdef'd out by the maemo5 block in the resize function | 11:50 |
| freemangordon | yep | 11:51 |
| zeq | deliberate? | 11:51 |
| freemangordon | yes, but lemme check | 11:51 |
| freemangordon | that code is used for _MEEGOTOUCH_ORIENTATION_ANGLE | 11:52 |
| freemangordon | we deffinitely don't need it | 11:52 |
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| zeq | if that's all it was, strange it was MOZ_X11, unless it's abused somewhere else | 11:53 |
| freemangordon | NFC, that code is like spaghetti | 11:54 |
| freemangordon | ok, gtk2 .deb ready, lets see how it will behave | 11:54 |
| zeq | it's a wonder it works :P | 11:54 |
| zeq | ok | 11:54 |
| zeq | coffee | 11:57 |
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| freemangordon_ | damn, cannot connect remotely to may desktop anymore :-( | 12:07 |
| freemangordon_ | otherwise gtk fennec works like charm. but is slow :-D | 12:07 |
| zeq | slow, figures | 12:07 |
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| freemangordon_ | it is VERY slow | 12:08 |
| zeq | LOL | 12:08 |
| zeq | oh well | 12:08 |
| freemangordon_ | hmm, seems my desktop appeared | 12:08 |
| zeq | that's good! | 12:08 |
| freemangordon | yes, it is here | 12:08 |
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| zeq | I wonder why it is so slow | 12:09 |
| freemangordon | maybe mozconfig options are incorrect | 12:09 |
| zeq | Firefox is pretty quick lately | 12:09 |
| zeq | I think it's an architectural thing | 12:09 |
| freemangordon | I think we shloud do wthat we can to use gtk, it uses 2-3 times less memory than qt version | 12:09 |
| zeq | firefox doesn't really use much gtk anymore afaik | 12:10 |
| zeq | mostly bypasses it | 12:10 |
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| zeq | just creates the window and widgets, but then uses other APIs | 12:10 |
| freemangordon | anyway, I am back to work, bbl | 12:10 |
| zeq | ok, have fun | 12:11 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I'm seeking advice from mozilla devs regarding what to do. | 12:31 |
| qwazix | performance difference between android xul version / native gui, and fennec / microb suggests the hog maybe xulrunner. How hard would it be to cook up a native qt interface? | 12:33 |
| qwazix | If i am not mistaken opera uses qt for interface too | 12:34 |
| zeq | qwazix: that's what we've been doing, but it seems the qtwidget uses much more memory | 12:35 |
| zeq | it is fast though | 12:35 |
| qwazix | Oh sorry, thought that it was just xul running over qt | 12:35 |
| zeq | qwazix: well, yes it is, but that's how mozilla browsers work, or am I missing something? | 12:36 |
| zeq | it's an accelerated xul engine | 12:36 |
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| zeq | as is the android port. I could well be missing something... | 12:37 |
| qwazix | Check out v14 on android. They got rid of xul altogether I think, and there is native java dalvik ui, suspect something microb (although microb does still use xul for some windows - addons etc) | 12:37 |
| zeq | qwazix: you could well be right | 12:38 |
| zeq | hang on | 12:38 |
| qwazix | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Fennec/NativeUI | 12:38 |
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| zeq | yup you are | 12:38 |
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| zeq | that said the qt xul widget is fast | 12:39 |
| qwazix | http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/native-overview1.png | 12:39 |
| zeq | qwazix: we kind of do already have a native port ofc, microb | 12:40 |
| qwazix | maybe that's why microb is faster even with the aging 1.9 gecko | 12:41 |
| zeq | the tricky part is updating the engine, since we don't have all the sources | 12:42 |
| qwazix | if microb's ui was open it would be the end of all our troubles. The N8xx microb is fully open AFAIK | 12:42 |
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| zeq | I don't suppose it exposes the same interface...? | 12:43 |
| SpeedEvil | qwazix: Maybe we could kick in some cash for it. I've got 28 pence. That should buy a substantial part of nokia these days. | 12:44 |
| qwazix | Don't know really | 12:44 |
| qwazix | SpeedEvil: haha, add 2eur from me too | 12:44 |
| zeq | SpeedEvil: I think you're onto something :) | 12:44 |
| freemangordon | going to try it with --enable-egl-xrender-composite | 12:51 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: ok, sounds fast :) | 12:54 |
| freemangordon | :) | 12:54 |
| zeq | btw I asked on the mozilla mobile dev channel about it, they suggested I wait 8hr for romaxa to wake up | 12:57 |
| freemangordon | :) | 12:57 |
| zeq | :) | 12:57 |
| vi__ | is /tmp on maemo just a regular directory on rootfs (n900)? | 12:57 |
| chem|st | tmpfs on /tmp | 12:59 |
| freemangordon | yep | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# df | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | rootfs 233344 149788 79272 65% / | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ubi0:rootfs 233344 149788 79272 65% / | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | tmpfs 1024 76 948 7% /tmp | 12:59 |
| vi__ | So it would be safe to delete /tmp and replace it with a symlink to /opt/tmp? | 12:59 |
| vi__ | This would survive reboots? | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it - tmpfs in the above example is using (about) 76K of RAM | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | that's questionable | 13:00 |
| chem|st | vi__: tmpfs is ramdisk | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if symlinks will work | 13:01 |
| vi__ | how odd. | 13:01 |
| chem|st | vi__: so no it is not, to answere your question | 13:01 |
| kerio | why would you want to preserve /tmp :S | 13:01 |
| ruskie | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/06/what-do-we-now-know-after-nokias-latest-profit-warning-layoffs-the-titanic-deck-chairs-moment.html | 13:01 |
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| vi__ | I do not, but some scripts, programs etc dump lots of data in tmp. | 13:01 |
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| * japh dumps vi__ in /tmp. | 13:07 | |
| vi__ | japh: whaa....? | 13:08 |
| StyXman | jargon-: reboot, fast! | 13:09 |
| StyXman | errr | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ruskie: Just a teeny step above accusing him of molesting ducks. | 13:09 |
| StyXman | japh: ^^^^^^ | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ruskie: Not that I don't agree | 13:09 |
| japh | vi__, hi! you know that n950 I wanted to sell | 13:10 |
| vi__ | Yeah? | 13:10 |
| japh | I'm still having issues with navigating the thing, I think there's something wrong with my fingers and not the phone, but other than that I've started to like it a lot. I'm glad I didn't just throw it away like I was going to do ... | 13:11 |
| vi__ | heh | 13:11 |
| vi__ | japh: one sold on ebay in the last month for £920 GBP | 13:12 |
| japh | What?? | 13:12 |
| vi__ | That is around 1150 euros. | 13:12 |
| japh | oh dear that's insane | 13:12 |
| vi__ | japh: that is how insanely rare they are. | 13:13 |
| vi__ | you could even sell abroken one for a couple of hundreds. | 13:14 |
| japh | I read an article on one of the maemo/meego news sites yesterday that nokia was going to hand out a bunch of n9{,50}s this summer? | 13:14 |
| vi__ | Oh wow. | 13:14 |
| japh | I'm not really seeing why they would do that since I thought they had left us to rot | 13:14 |
| vi__ | You do not keep up with TMO do you? | 13:14 |
| japh | TMO? | 13:14 |
| vi__ | talk.maemo.org | 13:14 |
| japh | no | 13:14 |
| SpeedEvil | japh: yesterday? | 13:14 |
| vi__ | The main forum for maemo. | 13:14 |
| SpeedEvil | there was a recent round of giveaways | 13:14 |
| vi__ | People there would trade you their left nut for that n950. | 13:14 |
| japh | lol | 13:15 |
| japh | I'm not that fond of forums, I prefer mail | 13:15 |
| vi__ | There is so much rage and butthurt WRT people who did not win you can almost cut it. | 13:15 |
| japh | hah | 13:15 |
| japh | I'd wanted the n950 since I first read about it but I gave it up when I realized this wasn't something I could buy for money | 13:16 |
| vi__ | Fortunatley, I was awarded one. | 13:16 |
| japh | and then all of a sudden when I was thinking about if I should go grab that damn n9 anyway, despite it not having a keyboard, someone came along 'hey want this?' | 13:17 |
| vi__ | It was controversial. | 13:17 |
| japh | are you a dev? | 13:17 |
| vi__ | nope. | 13:17 |
| japh | or was it your charm? | 13:17 |
| vi__ | maybe. | 13:17 |
| vi__ | what is a dev? | 13:17 |
| * SpeedEvil dreams of a world in which nokia decides to release specs for all of its non-lumia handsets, and enable community dev. | 13:17 | |
| * vi__ drools at speedevils phantasm. | 13:17 | |
| japh | a special character | 13:17 |
| vi__ | heh. | 13:17 |
| vi__ | I have been hanging around the forum daily for ~ 2 years now. | 13:18 |
| vi__ | I generally fix peoples problems. | 13:18 |
| vi__ | troll. | 13:18 |
| Hurrian | japh, nokia's currently handing them out right now. | 13:18 |
| vi__ | write scripts. | 13:18 |
| japh | you're a fixer! | 13:18 |
| vi__ | troll. | 13:18 |
| vi__ | push fremantle as far as it can go. | 13:18 |
| japh | hurrian, okay. surely not to me | 13:18 |
| vi__ | troll. | 13:18 |
| japh | .oO(or should I try?) | 13:18 |
| vi__ | japh: you are too late. | 13:19 |
| japh | that's what the girls always say :( | 13:19 |
| Hurrian | vi__, apparently the fires have spread all over the forum c/o certain characters | 13:20 |
| japh | well what do you think, is the n9 even worth not having a real keyboard, or should I instead buy more n900's like I was going to in the first place? | 13:20 |
| Hurrian | japh, moar N900s | 13:20 |
| japh | yeah | 13:20 |
| japh | really love this device. | 13:20 |
| vi__ | MOAR N900s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 13:20 |
| japh | I just wish it had 2 x ram | 13:20 |
| Hurrian | japh, compcache and 805MHz fixes most lack-of-ram problems | 13:21 |
| vi__ | Hurrian: It would be fine if 1 member of the council could to learn to keep his fucking outh shut sometimes. | 13:21 |
| japh | please don't laugh but I haven't overclocked my device | 13:21 |
| Hurrian | other than that, you can't really expect to run crazy shit quickly on the phone | 13:21 |
| chem|st | japh: they are working on thumb2 alternatives which frees some ram | 13:21 |
| AliasXZ|aw | about the ram, i have swap on microsd only, seems to of improved performance quite a bit | 13:21 |
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| japh | I tried for 2 hours getting that damn sd card into the phone | 13:22 |
| japh | again - my fingers are not compatible | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | 2 hours? | 13:22 |
| chem|st | hehe | 13:22 |
| Hurrian | whoa | 13:22 |
| vi__ | you tried to fit a SD card into a uSD slot? | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm pretty sure I could do it with my nose in that time. | 13:22 |
| japh | it's insanely small!! | 13:22 |
| japh | vi__, :p | 13:22 |
| japh | no | 13:22 |
| japh | speedevil, great, come on over | 13:22 |
| Hurrian | japh, you probably literally have sausage fingers | 13:23 |
| japh | I can let you touch my n950 | 13:23 |
| vi__ | japh: that means you have one of the first n950s. The prototypes. | 13:23 |
| japh | hurrian, yes | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually - I'm wrong. | 13:23 |
| chem|st | can I have a video of the nose part? | 13:23 |
| japh | vi__, o.o | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I can't push the slider over with my nose | 13:23 |
| vi__ | AFAIK the first n950s had a uSD slot and a 12MP camera. | 13:23 |
| japh | vi__, no, I tried to get the microsd card into my n900 | 13:23 |
| japh | mhm... | 13:23 |
| vi__ | later they had none+8MP camera. | 13:24 |
| japh | so are there 2 models? I haven't seen that | 13:24 |
| japh | hmmm | 13:24 |
| japh | what I've read however is that there's supposed to be an fm transmitter, but I for sure can not find it | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | My n950 has a 18MP camera*. | 13:24 |
| Hurrian | vi__, that was the Jessie's Girl N950, right? | 13:24 |
| Hurrian | the silver one? | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | *(may be a lie) | 13:24 |
| chem|st | vi__: it was discussed that 8MP/ws must be 12MP 4:3.... | 13:24 |
| vi__ | japh: o0 Maybe you should seek medial attention if you cannot manipulate somthing like an uSD card. | 13:24 |
| japh | :( | 13:25 |
| Hurrian | japh, it's said that they have fm chips, just missing antennas iirc | 13:25 |
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| vi__ | chem|st: yeah, so the hardware is capabale of 12MP but it is crippled in software. | 13:25 |
| japh | hurrian, hms :s | 13:25 |
| vi__ | ? | 13:25 |
| japh | what's the leasy sucky alternative to the n9xx's if we're looking at nonnokia stuff? I guess there's still nothing that plays in the same league? | 13:27 |
| japh | I've learned that android I do not want | 13:27 |
| vi__ | japh, nothing. | 13:27 |
| Hurrian | japh, lol | 13:27 |
| Hurrian | all the keyboard droids suck | 13:28 |
| japh | you know what $vendors seem to focus on is new shiny wallpapers | 13:28 |
| japh | I don't want wallpapers. | 13:28 |
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| vi__ | My eyes were opened to android when I asked My friend tp play a video on a uSD card from my video camera. | 13:28 |
| japh | I want my terminal and a keyboard | 13:28 |
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| vi__ | First he had to reboot the device to put the uSD in the phone. | 13:29 |
| Hurrian | vi__, yep, vold is fucked up | 13:29 |
| japh | it's a bit like for every new ubuntu release. The number one most important change is new theme, new font or new wallpapers | 13:29 |
| vi__ | Then spent the next 20 minutes trying to find a 'mediaplayer' that would work. | 13:29 |
| japh | hehe | 13:29 |
| vi__ | Pro this, lite that; they were all shit and had adverts on them. | 13:30 |
| japh | oh man I almost started crying yesterday when I found someone had been kind enough to build mplayer for n950 | 13:30 |
| japh | I was about to give up | 13:30 |
| vi__ | What a squalid arse train. | 13:30 |
| Hurrian | the android media scanner is the only indexer more broken than tracker on the N900 | 13:30 |
| vi__ | Why does everyone rag on tracker? | 13:30 |
| vi__ | It works fine! | 13:31 |
| japh | is it that damn thing that's like locate? | 13:31 |
| vi__ | japh: tracker indexes all the media on the N900. | 13:31 |
| Hurrian | vi__, it simply needs to be able to incrementally update indexes | 13:31 |
| Hurrian | 100% CPU for a few minutes is not acceptable | 13:32 |
| vi__ | Hurrian: It does. | 13:32 |
| japh | hmm. right. | 13:32 |
| japh | not sure why I'd ever need that | 13:32 |
| zeq | freemangordon: finally got my scratchbox setup and building fennec | 13:32 |
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| zeq | much quicker :) | 13:33 |
| vi__ | tracker starts to suck when people put it into low memory mode and renice it to 20 | 13:33 |
| japh | but where does its indexing come into use? when you use that default crappy filemanager? | 13:34 |
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| Hurrian | vi__, yup, it uses an absurd amount of CPU in lowmem and highmem, so I said fuck it, and let it run in highmem instead of waiting hours in lowmem | 13:34 |
| vi__ | japh: It is used for the media player and search features. | 13:35 |
| zeq | it should be ionice'd not renice'd | 13:35 |
| zeq | (re. tracker) | 13:35 |
| japh | the media player isn't particulary userfriendly and there's lots of that it's having problems with playing | 13:36 |
| Hurrian | japh, meh, the lack of gapless is the only showstopper for me | 13:37 |
| japh | maybe that's because I'm certainly one of the few people who haven't overclocked :p | 13:37 |
| japh | but mplayer works really nicely | 13:37 |
| Hurrian | install OMP, it definitely works quire nicely for music playback | 13:37 |
| vi__ | japh: It sounds to me like smartphones are not for you. I have a dusty 486DX here with a terminal emulator. | 13:37 |
| vi__ | If you want it. | 13:37 |
| japh | not sure where did came from | 13:37 |
| vi__ | japh: wait I thought we were talking about the n950? | 13:37 |
| japh | vi__, I'm still using the n900 at work, and if there's no way to get the fm transmitter going in the n950 I'll continue doing so | 13:38 |
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| Lantizia | Lo anyone familiar with the background image sets? | 13:39 |
| japh | ask! | 13:40 |
| Lantizia | I can see each image set in MyDocs/.images has a .desktop file - so I'm thinking without this .desktop file - the image set won't show up in the list of those available | 13:40 |
| japh | I've found that buggy as hell | 13:40 |
| Lantizia | The only exceptions are digital_nature5_0*.jpg (4 files) which are used by a theme ... and nseries_0*.jpg (also 4 files) for another theme | 13:41 |
| japh | https://github.com/trapd00r/n900/blob/master/set_random_wallpapers is what I do | 13:41 |
| japh | as you might notice I'm not an sh guy | 13:41 |
| Lantizia | but I've noticed there are 3 unaccounted for files in .images that come on the eMMC ... 40_stripes1.jpg 40_stripes2.jpg and 40_stripes3.jpg (only 3 files) | 13:41 |
| Lantizia | like it's an unfinished image set | 13:42 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I need to bump the kernel-headers in the toolchains | 13:42 |
| japh | want wallpapers? | 13:42 |
| zeq | freemangordon: what kernel-header pkg fixed the procinfo.h dependency with mozilla? I rootstrapped a new target the other day and obviously ended up with the wrong headers... | 13:44 |
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| Lantizia | 40_stripes4.jpg is essentially missing - as is it's .desktop file | 13:46 |
| Lantizia | on all N900's | 13:47 |
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| kaawee | Hello! Is it possible to get a framebuffer console using "kernel-power" on the N900? | 14:00 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: kernel-cssu-headers | 14:02 |
| zeq | I seem to have broken python :/ | 14:02 |
| freemangordon | but lenux-kernel-headers from SDK repo should do the job too | 14:03 |
| freemangordon | *linux | 14:03 |
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| zeq | I probably forgot to use fakeroot when installing python2.5 | 14:05 |
| zeq | seems to have fixed it | 14:06 |
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| vi__ | kaawee: Yes it is! | 14:07 |
| vi__ | Modprobe fb-con! | 14:07 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: wtf? it's still dying on procinfo.h | 14:15 |
| zeq | freemangordon: what's your linux/version.h version? | 14:18 |
| Lantizia | Would there be any issues with packaging the image sets that come on the eMMC as seperate debian packages? | 14:18 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132636 | 14:22 |
| zeq | #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132630 | 14:23 |
| zeq | you had the same problem before, when I had 132636 | 14:23 |
| freemangordon | yeah, yhe same problem i had, just install kernel-cssu-headers | 14:24 |
| zeq | it's worked this time | 14:25 |
| zeq | probably forgot fakeroot again :S | 14:25 |
| zeq | I'll remember eventually | 14:26 |
| zeq | all problems hopefully now fixed | 14:26 |
| zeq | did you try a build with egl-render? | 14:27 |
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| freemangordon | still trying, need to overcome some gcc incompatibilities | 14:28 |
| zeq | which gcc are you using? | 14:29 |
| freemangordon | 4.6.2 | 14:30 |
| zeq | you could try one of the ones I've packaged | 14:30 |
| freemangordon | (i.e. i keep the focus in fennec :) ) | 14:30 |
| freemangordon | sure | 14:30 |
| zeq | I'm surprised I didn't get any feedback given people have been downloading | 14:32 |
| zeq | 4.7 seems the most popular | 14:33 |
| zeq | eater libc # grep linaro-4.7 /var/log/apache2/access_log| wc -l | 14:34 |
| zeq | 26 | 14:34 |
| zeq | eater libc # grep linaro-4.6 /var/log/apache2/access_log| wc -l | 14:34 |
| zeq | 14 | 14:34 |
| zeq | eater libc # grep gcc-4.6 /var/log/apache2/access_log| wc -l | 14:34 |
| zeq | 4 | 14:34 |
| zeq | eater libc # | 14:34 |
| freemangordon | wow | 14:34 |
| zeq | actually, there's some dupes | 14:36 |
| zeq | lets try again... | 14:36 |
| zeq | eater libc # grep linaro-4.7 /var/log/apache2/access_log| awk -F" " '{ print $1 " " $7 }' | sort | uniq | wc -l | 14:38 |
| zeq | 16 | 14:38 |
| zeq | eater libc # grep linaro-4.6 /var/log/apache2/access_log| awk -F" " '{ print $1 " " $7 }' | sort | uniq | wc -l | 14:38 |
| zeq | 8 | 14:38 |
| zeq | eater libc # grep gcc-4.6 /var/log/apache2/access_log| awk -F" " '{ print $1 " " $7 }' | sort | uniq | wc -l | 14:38 |
| zeq | 4 | 14:38 |
| zeq | still quite a few | 14:39 |
| zeq | so, who out there has tried it? | 14:40 |
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| freemangordon | fennec with egl built, lets try it | 15:03 |
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| merlin1991 | is the tmo trolling/flaming ever going to stop? | 15:13 |
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| StyXman | merlin1991: it's the internet; ergo, no | 15:14 |
| freemangordon | zeq: egl don't help, seems after all Qt is the only way | 15:14 |
| zeq | :( | 15:15 |
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| merlin1991 | StyXman: true, but tom used to be at least semi productive :/ | 15:15 |
| merlin1991 | s/tom/tmo/ | 15:15 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: StyXman: true, but tmo used to be at least semi productive :/ | 15:15 |
| zeq | I seem to have discovered why the headers keep getting wrong version. As suspected, it's the version in the toolchain | 15:15 |
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| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: it's not about flame and trolling, there is point that was never answered or discussed. i know few people there actually take it in more personal places, but after all there were few question asked and only few got answer | 15:28 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG_laptop: it reached a point where it is | 15:29 |
| merlin1991 | about 80% of each thread in question is down to non constructive flame/trolling | 15:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: yeah most people go personal, but it's sad but most council go this way too, that's why no point rechead and the meeting made it worse. i hope you saw how they called the topic and what was discussed? if no it was few lines how leaders always hated and that Arie is in ignore list. and not why it happened and how to prevent and what lesson was learned | 15:33 |
| merlin1991 | could you link me the log? | 15:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: as i said before, you let it go once, it starts to be normal, that's why the second time it was proven that they acted not ethic | 15:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2012-06-22.log.html#t2012-06-22T21:19:56 | 15:35 |
| merlin1991 | the really odd thing is that people keep claiming that there are *some* undeserving winners, and name a few *better* candidates, but nobody seems to like to pin point who who shouldn't have gotten a device (besides council) | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I think giving one to Elop was totally misguided. | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Even when it came with illustrated guides as to where to put it. | 15:39 |
| qwazix | why not he might just learn there was something called MeeGo around in nokia | 15:40 |
| qwazix | Worst thing could happen is he might like it | 15:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: i don't care about anyone except council, as i'm logical and know that here i can't say anything, even i do have few names. it just wouldn't be fair from me to do it. as it's not about who deserve and who doesn't | 15:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | on other hand if council made this they may gave few friends, but again — less interested in this, more interested in not ethic self nomination and than ignoring it | 15:41 |
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| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: just to get clear, there were few posts like — http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1227626&postcount=37 . mostly polite, all info gathered and just to point out something, and most didn't get response, or the same answer all over again while selecting only parts to answer | 15:44 |
| merlin1991 | yeah I've read that post, it seemed to be the exception to the rule | 15:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: it's just sums of posts and points before btw | 15:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: you just didn't see them as council mostly answered other posts =) | 15:50 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; nope not yet | 16:10 |
| ShadowJK | haven't even checked tracking | 16:10 |
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| vi__ | ZogG_laptop: Funny thing is I have not seen you around TMO, IRC or mailing list. Ever. Have you been playing the long troll all along? | 16:22 |
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| RiD | Estel_ I gave SecuROM the middle finger, cracked launcher + real serial. Apparently that worked on MP just fine | 16:33 |
| sEKI | Hey Estel, how you doing? | 16:35 |
| sEKI | just trying xchat on my n900 | 16:40 |
| sEKI | anyone's using it too? | 16:40 |
| vi__ | ~xchat | 16:41 |
| infobot | rumour has it, xchat is an IRC client for unix and windows at http://www.xchat.org or http://www.silverex.org/news/ | 16:41 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer51: ping | 16:41 |
| vi__ | geeze there is like 5 docs | 16:41 |
| sEKI | must admit it's rather crap with default settings :D | 16:42 |
| vi__ | sEKI: you are enjoying xchat? | 16:42 |
| sEKI | as above ;) | 16:42 |
| vi__ | sEKI: Yes it is. If DocScrutinizer51 turns up at any point he will point you towards his 'config'. | 16:42 |
| vi__ | sEKI: It is the de-facto way to use xchat on the n900. | 16:43 |
| vi__ | (I prefer irssi) | 16:43 |
| sEKI | I'd love to see his config... | 16:44 |
| Lava_Croft | i still have a n900 with a broken camera module | 16:44 |
| sEKI | I'll be dead honest, can't see a thing and my eyes hurt... | 16:44 |
| Lava_Croft | thankgod i found a Turk who can fix it forme | 16:44 |
| Lava_Croft | A Turk and his Dremel | 16:45 |
| sEKI | I though they only do kebabs ;) | 16:45 |
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| sEKI | will anyone believe if I say I've never used IRC?! | 16:48 |
| Lava_Croft | but arent you on irc right now | 16:49 |
| Lava_Croft | basically invalidating your claim! | 16:49 |
| sEKI | ... until today :D was that not obvious? :P | 16:50 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 16:51 |
| Lava_Croft | just teasing you! | 16:51 |
| sEKI | yeah, don't seem to be going much around here is it? | 16:52 |
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| Lava_Croft | that depends | 16:54 |
| Lava_Croft | mostly its not that much on-topic here | 16:54 |
| Lava_Croft | but irc is very much talking with delay | 16:54 |
| Lava_Croft | say something now and have someone else react in 4 hours | 16:54 |
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| Lava_Croft | besides, quality beats quantity! | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ?? | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: the 51 isb't all that bad, only I *forgot my N900 @ home* today :-S | 17:06 |
| sEKI | hey Doc can you share your config for xchat? | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 17:06 |
| infobot | i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one dir up, then ->xchat | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | copy to your ~/.xchat2/ | 17:07 |
| vi__ | sEKI: there ya go. | 17:07 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: cheers, | 17:07 |
| vi__ | ^,/. | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cheers | 17:07 |
| Lava_Croft | xchat, for when just text to display text is not enough | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/xchat/M$-word/ | 17:09 |
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| Lava_Croft | why is it M$ | 17:09 |
| Lava_Croft | because its a company that wants to make a profit? | 17:09 |
| Lava_Croft | you do know that you might as well type OMG ROFL I PLAY COD OMG LOL | 17:09 |
| Lava_Croft | and it would look just as intelligent | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you know how much I care? | 17:09 |
| Lava_Croft | enough to react | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | google for "M$" | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll find it's a meme or whatever | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway well established | 17:10 |
| Lava_Croft | hardly an argument that its well established or that its a meme | 17:11 |
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| Lava_Croft | but good enough for me to let you hide behind it:) | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | everybody knows M$, while with ms at the latest you will encounter shrugs | 17:11 |
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| Lava_Croft | yes MS is evil, not Nokia | 17:11 |
| Lava_Croft | nokia doesnt like profit:) | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, I don't give a shit | 17:12 |
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| Lava_Croft | enough to still be talking about it | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | but ill help you out, ill go do something else:) | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, while I should ignore you | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and continue my daywork | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | lets both stop and save the channel! | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as you fool don't pay me for chatting with you | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | i already finished todays work | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | 5am til 3pm :< | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | good luck with your work! | 17:13 |
| qwazix | \QUIT going home, see you later | 17:17 |
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| ShadowJK | megaseconds or megabucks | 17:25 |
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| Lava_Croft | the council meeting report on my google reader states that some people on TMO are crazy :< | 17:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | vi__: the funny thing i'm on #harmattan for past year and you can track me on TMO, i'm not the great contributor but i helped here and there and also translated for dev friends and tested and bug reported. and on #maemo i was active about 2 years ago till my n900 died, and few people actually know me. and even after the fight i still stood on my promise and added what i promised for non official council member request for some howto | 18:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi__: but still i don't care about me as in CA i don't deserve a device, i won one on other program and i think it's not like i deserve their, just there were not a lot people there and i was enuf comparing to some of others there | 18:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi__: but if you want to take it personal i wouldn't defence or attack back, as it's kinda stupid as i might say u in face that i doubt you deserve device more than others, but i don't judge or care of it, as i think it's okay with council if they not perfectly objective as they can't follow everyone and they still human. and there would be always different opinions. so it's more personal and is not relevant while what is relevant c | 18:05 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | ~logs | 18:10 |
| infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. | 18:10 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: i was lagged and didn't get response and don't know if you got my 3 msgs | 18:12 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i see in log they are not there | 18:13 |
| ZogG_lap1op | than i'll repeat | 18:13 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: the funny thing i'm on #harmattan for past year and you can track me on TMO, i'm not the great contributor but i helped here and there and also translated for dev friends and tested and bug reported. and on #maemo i was active about 2 years ago till my n900 died, and few people actually know me. and even after the fight i still stood on my promise and added what i promised for non official council member request for some howto | 18:13 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: but still i don't care about me as in CA i don't deserve a device, i won one on other program and i think it's not like i deserve their, just there were not a lot people there and i was enuf comparing to some of others there | 18:13 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: but if you want to take it personal i wouldn't defence or attack back, as it's kinda stupid as i might say u in face that i doubt you deserve device more than others, but i don't judge or care of it, as i think it's okay with council if they not perfectly objective as they can't follow everyone and they still human. and there would be always different opinions. so it's more personal and is not relevant while what is relevant council benefits vs | 18:13 |
| ZogG_lap1op | vi__: and if you want i can get the references from members you know if you want | 18:15 |
| ZogG_lap1op | ~ping | 18:15 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:15 |
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| sEKI | switched to Joerg's configs... bloody hell what a difference! | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | thanks :-D | 18:44 |
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| sEKI | xchat is usable now :D | 18:44 |
| sEKI | well, time to go home, have some soldering to do, my wifes laptop was on fire yesterday :D | 18:45 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | sEKI: lol | 18:53 |
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| NIN101 | coming home, starting my mail client, and the maemo mailing list ist full of nonsense. | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | *sigh* | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | unfortunately | 18:58 |
| zeq | freemangordon: hi | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | hi | 18:59 |
| zeq | I'd got in a bit of a mess on my N900 with libstdc++ versions and partial qt installs | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | any progress with Qt rotation? | 19:00 |
| zeq | just tested fennec | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | and? | 19:00 |
| zeq | it's not rotating at all | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | that's goo | 19:00 |
| zeq | it is? | 19:00 |
| zeq | I suppose ;) | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | seems it is forced rotation then | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | going to disable it here and try again | 19:00 |
| zeq | just turned on forced and it crashed | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | you have forced rotation enabled? | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | what? | 19:01 |
| zeq | ctrl-fn-r | 19:01 |
| zeq | then I rotated | 19:01 |
| zeq | it rotated, then crashed | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | zeq: not that way | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | edit /etc/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini | 19:01 |
| zeq | ok | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | look at CSSU wiki for instructions | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | do ^^^ first | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | while I am re-building qt version | 19:02 |
| zeq | doesn't ctrl-fn-r have a similar effect? | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | I think that was disabled, but anyway, this is not the way to go | 19:03 |
| zeq | it definitely did something :P | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | crashed fennec? | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | :P | 19:05 |
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| zeq | yes | 19:05 |
| zeq | can you give me a page reference? | 19:05 |
| zeq | nm | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop#Editing_transitions.ini | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | in short you should set force_rotation to 1 and reboot | 19:06 |
| zeq | didn't need to reboot | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | hmm, strange | 19:09 |
| zeq | rotation works but resize only works landscape->portrate | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | yep | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | or portrait->landscape | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | or not at all | 19:09 |
| zeq | then the screen widgets stop repostioning/resizing | 19:09 |
| zeq | it's sort of working | 19:10 |
| zeq | kinda | 19:10 |
| freemangordon | yes, that is the problem. although side pane are always resized correctly | 19:10 |
| Raimu | Bah, blessn900 instareboots my phone these days. No idea if it's a cssu-thumb or what. I hate that proprietary piece of sortware. | 19:10 |
| zeq | notice some elements are respostioning correctly | 19:10 |
| freemangordon | zeq: yep, kinda | 19:10 |
| freemangordon | Raimu: any oopses? | 19:11 |
| zeq | the off the left and side panel gets resized correctly | 19:11 |
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| freemangordon | yep | 19:11 |
| Raimu | freemangordon: Oopses? It just blows up at starting the app, can't get logs I think. | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | it is only the page which got screwed most of the time | 19:11 |
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| zeq | actually I think it is working | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | Raimu: /dev/mtd2 | 19:12 |
| zeq | oh no, what am I talking about? | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | zeq: from time to time it is | 19:12 |
| zeq | ok I think I get it | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | but usually no, still cannot grok it | 19:12 |
| zeq | horizontal startup -> portrate: ok | 19:12 |
| zeq | s/portrate/portrait/ | 19:13 |
| infobot | zeq meant: horizontal startup -> portrait: ok | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | zeq: no, it is not ok | 19:13 |
| zeq | portrait -> horizontal: main area not resizing horizontally | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | the startup page is not shown correectly, it is vut at the bottom | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | *cut | 19:14 |
| zeq | horizontal -> portrait: shifted onto side panel, but actually ok | 19:14 |
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| zeq | url bar shrinks but doesn't regrow | 19:15 |
| zeq | same as main page area | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | zeq: it is different almost every time | 19:15 |
| zeq | ok, I'll restart and try again, see what happens | 19:16 |
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| zeq | this time screen elements aren't getting resized *at all* | 19:17 |
| zeq | ????? | 19:17 |
| Raimu | freemangordon: got it | 19:18 |
| Raimu | freemangordon: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24357139/mtd2-raimu.txt | 19:18 |
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| zeq | I'm going to look at the code... | 19:18 |
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| freemangordon | Raimu: you don't have enough free RAM man, I was getting those while I was experimenting with compcache. remove it. it is not needed wit cssu-thumb ;) | 19:21 |
| zeq | freemangordon: did you see these: 17:18 < Raimu> freemangordon: got it | 19:21 |
| freemangordon | yep | 19:21 |
| zeq | sorry | 19:21 |
| zeq | cut and paste error | 19:22 |
| freemangordon | and i looked at oops | 19:22 |
| zeq | mNeedsResize = false; | 19:22 |
| zeq | mNeedsMove = false; | 19:22 |
| zeq | mListenForResizes = false; | 19:22 |
| vi__ | Raimu: are you using compcache? | 19:22 |
| freemangordon | yes | 19:22 |
| zeq | ok | 19:22 |
| Raimu | vi__: Yep, 64mb. | 19:22 |
| vi__ | Raimu: Did you copy the settings from the forum? | 19:22 |
| freemangordon | zeq: where is that from | 19:22 |
| Raimu | vi__: Pretty much, yeah. | 19:23 |
| freemangordon | aaah, yes, it is vi__ to blame | 19:23 |
| * vi__ aww shucks. | 19:23 | |
| zeq | widget/qt/nsWindow.cpp | 19:23 |
| Raimu | I did alter a bunch of them, though. | 19:23 |
| vi__ | Raimu: oh god | 19:23 |
| freemangordon | vi__: here is you answer why it hurts when you pee | 19:23 |
| freemangordon | :P | 19:23 |
| vi__ | ! | 19:23 |
| Raimu | I feel like Bruce Campbell having picked up the Necronomicon without saying the right words. | 19:23 |
| vi__ | Raimu, you must remove the line about min_free_kb | 19:23 |
| zeq | freemangordon: I'm just searching through the code for "resize" | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | Raimu: increase that to at least 8M | 19:24 |
| vi__ | Raimu: Gort! Klaatu! Barrada! Nikto! | 19:24 |
| Raimu | vi__: Klaatu! Barata! *ahemhem* | 19:24 |
| * Raimu leers | 19:24 | |
| vi__ | freemangordon: Just leave it at default and it is fine. | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | yep | 19:24 |
| vi__ | Raimu: Gort! Klaatu! Baracard... necktie...? | 19:24 |
| Raimu | ^_- | 19:25 |
| vi__ | Default is 2048 | 19:25 |
| vi__ | Raimu: Do not change the min_free_kb value when you start compcache. | 19:25 |
| vi__ | In fact delete it from whatever you are using to set your VM settings. | 19:25 |
| Raimu | Yeah, got that. I think I was never dumb enough to make it 32, but I think I did halven it or something. | 19:25 |
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| vi__ | ...It didnt seem dumb at the time -_- | 19:26 |
| Raimu | Yeah, not blaming you. | 19:26 |
| Raimu | I'm to blame for whatever I do to muck up my phone. | 19:26 |
| Raimu | Just if things get fixed in the process, better. | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | zeq: maybe some traces of these will help a lot | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | unfortunately at this point compcache brings only problems | 19:27 |
| Raimu | Oh, yeah, I wanted to ask about one of the kernel's VM features. | 19:27 |
| Raimu | What use is the "overcommit_memory" feature in the kernel? It sounds like a recipe for disaster, donnit? | 19:27 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: WFM. Needs a little refresh from time to time. | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | vi__: tried thumb? | 19:28 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: admitedly no. | 19:28 |
| vi__ | I was waiting for the stunt lemmings to find the proiblems first. | 19:28 |
| Raimu | freemangordon: Hey, is there a reason the compcache baked into KP doesn't give out the stats when rzc asks for them? | 19:28 |
| vi__ | Raimu: stats is turned off. | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | yep, stats are disabled (by me :P ) | 19:28 |
| Raimu | Oh, why? | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | performance reasons | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | there are several spinlocks there | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | which are used ONLY for stats | 19:29 |
| Raimu | And why was that backing swap thing incompatible with the kernel-as-we-have-it? | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | vi__: you'd better try thumb, no problems so far | 19:30 |
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| Raimu | Ah, I see. | 19:30 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: Is that a threat! | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | Raimu: it is, just that performance is horrible | 19:30 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: I fully intend to in the next couple of days, I am in the middle of moving houe right now. | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | vi__: well, I can say what I want :P:P:P | 19:30 |
| vi__ | ^house. | 19:30 |
| vi__ | hah | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | aah, not the best time | 19:31 |
| vi__ | I shall afford you that right! | 19:31 |
| Raimu | freemangordon: The backing swap is sucky in performance? | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | more than sucky | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | as long as BS is hit, you have to power down | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | well, not THAt bad, but still | 19:32 |
| Raimu | So, basically when the BS is hit, BS hits the fan. | 19:32 |
| vi__ | freemangordon: is this due to swap thrashing? | 19:32 |
| vi__ | Raimu: !!! | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | Raimu: exactly :) | 19:32 |
| vi__ | How do I enable backing swap? | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | vi__: it writes one page a time | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | and does that when the system is short in memory | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | iirc | 19:33 |
| Raimu | Wasn't it supposed to, for example, put things in the backing swap when things aren't used often or when they aren't compressed well enough? | 19:34 |
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| Raimu | That's what I read in the zram docs. | 19:34 |
| Raimu | I guess if it's implemented all the way to hell, it's not that nice. | 19:34 |
| zeq | I remember reading lkml a while back when there was a discussion about writing out multiple pages to eMMC | 19:34 |
| zeq | I don't know if a patch ever saw the light of day | 19:35 |
| zeq | it would *really* help out swap performance | 19:35 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: there seems to be serveral functions in nsWindow.cpp relating to resizing | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | The righ way is a circular buffer swap, with defragmentation | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | pretty much | 19:36 |
| zeq | we may just need to set a flag | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | so it's _always_ written in-order. | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | And defragments as it goes. | 19:37 |
| zeq | no need to listen for rotation events? | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | zeq: it is still building here so there is not much i can do right now but to look at the code | 19:37 |
| zeq | what have you changed? | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | zeq: gtk2->qt ;) | 19:37 |
| zeq | ah ok | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | zeq: it listens for rotation events | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | #if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | QObject::connect(QApplication::desktop(), SIGNAL(resized(int)), | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | mWidget, SLOT(orientationChanged())); | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | #else | 19:38 |
| zeq | I saw your code, but I wonder if it's needed at all. Maybe a flag will make it automatic | 19:39 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: do you want to join me on #mobile @irc.mozilla.org | 19:45 |
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| zeq | I'm going to ask romaxa for advise | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | zeq: sure | 19:46 |
| zeq | I'll wait for you to join | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | what is the exact channel? | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | zeq:^^^ | 19:47 |
| zeq | #mobile | 19:47 |
| zeq | on the irc.mozilla.org server | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | aah. need to setup that | 19:48 |
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| freemangordon | zeq: damn, even if with forced rotation disabled, fennec still tries to raotate when in task navigator | 19:59 |
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| zeq1 | freemangordon: it doesn't really matter if we get it working. | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | ? | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | zeq1: it matters for me :) | 20:01 |
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| zeq | if the window resizes correctly we want to rotate anyway | 20:01 |
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| freemangordon | why stuped facebook opens the mobile version? we have to do something for the user agent | 20:02 |
| zeq | freemangordon: try about:config | 20:05 |
| zeq | should be able to set the user agent there I think | 20:05 |
| freemangordon | aaah, yes, it was about: config , stupid me | 20:08 |
| zeq1 | :) | 20:08 |
| Wnt | phony is a great extension to switch between user agents | 20:09 |
| ZogG_lap1op | ~ZogG | 20:09 |
| infobot | methinks zogg is awesome | 20:09 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | i forgot about it | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | Wnt: for firefox? | 20:09 |
| Wnt | freemangordon: yes | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | hmm, going to install it | 20:10 |
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| zeq1 | romaxa has arrived | 20:12 |
| zeq1 | freemangordon: ping | 20:12 |
| hiemanshu | zeq1: stop stalking people :P | 20:14 |
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| freemangordon | zeq1: I think that should be enough | 20:21 |
| zeq1 | good hints | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | Wnt: thanks for the tip, now FB opens its desktop version | 20:22 |
| Lava_Croft | fennec was slow even on n9 :< | 20:22 |
| Wnt | freemangordon: great, no problem | 20:22 |
| Lava_Croft | very sadly | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | zeq1: yep, I think we have everything answered | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | we can ping him again when we have more questions | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | Lava_Croft: believe me or not, but it is absolutely usefull. and I am talking about desktop FB. It is only zoom that is slow | 20:24 |
| Lava_Croft | oh, i wasnt in any way dissing its usefulness | 20:25 |
| Lava_Croft | its just too bad that its so slow | 20:25 |
| Lava_Croft | i completely get where they are trying to get to | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | by usefull i menat fast enough to use it | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | *meant | 20:25 |
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| Lava_Croft | for the stuff i mostly use during the day, opera is the fastest | 20:26 |
| Lava_Croft | but more complex stuff works better in ff | 20:26 |
| zeq1 | Lava_Croft: you might be surprised how fast fennec will be | 20:26 |
| Lava_Croft | zeq1: i already notice how its becoming faster and faster | 20:26 |
| Lava_Croft | the early stuff from over a year ago was horrible | 20:26 |
| Lava_Croft | if not longer ago | 20:26 |
| zeq1 | I mean our port | 20:26 |
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| Lava_Croft | ah! | 20:26 |
| Lava_Croft | ill let myself by awesomely surprised then! | 20:27 |
| Lava_Croft | be* | 20:27 |
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| ThreeM | Sc0rpius ? | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Raimu: (instareboot) sure thing, camaera kernel modules | 20:37 |
| Estel_ | vi__, ping | 20:37 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, you know what? chem|st closed topic You've mentioned, as per Your suggestion, then took few outcry posts, and created new topic for it | 20:38 |
| Estel_ | which is 1:1 the same as old one | 20:38 |
| Estel_ | I'm confused on this tactic :DF | 20:38 |
| Estel_ | but, but, there are real issues. What a morons are Farnel electronic! | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 20:39 |
| Estel_ | Thyey've charged 17 euro for shipping, and don't even have tracking ID! | 20:39 |
| Estel_ | they've sent 200 gram device via normal LETTER and reject to handle ID, even though it's already post 2 weeks since sending | 20:39 |
| Estel_ | and I mean raspberry Pi of course | 20:40 |
| Estel_ | those idiots are explaining, that they have very high demand for Pi, so they weren't able to log Id of packages sent LOL | 20:40 |
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| freemangordon | zeq1: Did I tell you I am stupid? I closed irc window, now I don't have the function names anymore :( | 20:41 |
| freemangordon | and #mobile don't have logs | 20:41 |
| freemangordon | do you keep those? | 20:41 |
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| freemangordon | oh, fortunately mirc keeps channel logs, pfew | 20:45 |
| zeq1 | hehe | 20:48 |
| zeq1 | I still have it open anyway | 20:48 |
| zeq1 | freemangordon: I'm off to visit my gran in hospital. I'll be back in a couple of hours. | 20:50 |
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| Estel_ | freemangordon, is your work on improving fennec to be check anywhere, or not yet? | 21:15 |
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| freemangordon | Estel_: it is not my work ;). Seen as in? video or .deb? I can upload a .deb, but you MUST have cssu-thumb. do you? | 21:17 |
| Estel_ | yes, but not in this device :( but, but, is it going to be put into repos, later? Or is it, rather "private" modification? I suspect the former :) | 21:17 |
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| freemangordon | Estel_: I meant that fennec n900 adaptation is not my work only, it is a work split between me and zeq. So, I don't know about zeq, but I don't plan to put fennec on any other place but thumb repo. I doubt that gcc 4.2.1 will be able to compile neon intrinstincs needed for performance it achieves being thumb/neon compiled | 21:27 |
| Estel_ | sounds fair enough, I don't mind *any* new work being thumb only. After all, we got thumb working on purpose | 21:28 |
| Estel_ | I'm planning to migrate to thumb in my main device too, ASAP | 21:28 |
| freemangordon | good for you, you will feel the difference ;). Do a backup of course, just in case | 21:28 |
| freemangordon | and have in mind that all SW that depends on KP have to be uninstalled | 21:29 |
| freemangordon | ok, most of it, like KPS and cleven | 21:29 |
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| freemangordon | Estel_: on the side not I think you are using FUD pretty often, I am not native English speaker, but AIUI it is offensive beyond what you want your statement to be. While I am Slav (just as I suspect you are) and I understand what you're saying, I don't think that holds true for the native Engish speakers and non-slavonic population. | 21:38 |
| qwazix_ | hi, trying to build glib from cordia project on harmattan and it complains about gtk-docs, gtk-docs from gnome.org complains about gtk-docs utils. Is there a way to build glib without docs? I tried --disable-gtk-docs but it doesn't work | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | Estel_: In short: you'd better watch your tone on TMO ;) | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | Estel_: not that I have any problem with what you are saying, just a friendly piece of advice :P | 21:40 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, I understand. If You're reffering to my post aimed @ SD69, i Think it was like it was meant to be, as I felt accussed a little :) | 21:42 |
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| Estel_ | +, ust few hours ago, i told him that it isn't true, and provided links. I don't suspect abd will, just being careless on already heated thing | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | anyway, i'm done with all post-CA outcry threrads for good | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | definitely, much more productive things to do | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | I don't care if they're going to ounslaughter themselves. I think you're right, that this thing started to get in my nerves too much | 21:44 |
| Estel_ | and You're right, my bad to heat amosphere even more. Eh. | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | yes, that post, but not only. I don't know about you, but I have a lot of contacts with western people and I can assure you, they just don grok our south way of thinking/expressing things. | 21:44 |
| Estel_ | ah, true | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | *don't | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | yes, you're right, and You're definitely right about fact, that they take it 2x more heavily, than I would take it or mean, even when angered :) | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | good catch. | 21:45 |
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| freemangordon | the same way as we don;t grock whay the hell it takes 5 sentences to say something that can be said with 5 words ;) | 21:46 |
| Estel_ | yea :) Well... Thanks for advice, (hoever it sounds), as I msut say that it was one with most merit in it, and I got many "friendly advices" lately :D | 21:47 |
| Estel_ | BTw, I suspect, that Scots are either more like us, or vi_ is Slav in disguise :P | 21:48 |
| ZogG_lap1op | facts are facts in any language | 21:48 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i'm not native too | 21:48 |
| Estel_ | ZogG, like fact, that You've applied for Ca Yourself, and started to protest only, when You've lost? :D | 21:49 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | if you accuse or go personal it doesn't matter if you do it too much or less, it's the point of you going personal | 21:49 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, i'm doing better, yep? I've written two-liner. | 21:49 |
| freemangordon | ZogG_lap1op: it is not about the language itself, but the wording | 21:49 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: nope, i lost way before | 21:49 |
| freemangordon | Estel_: sure thing | 21:49 |
| Estel_ | I'm starting to get afraid of myself. soon, I'm going to write FU in 3 sentences :( | 21:50 |
| ZogG_lap1op | you see how it's easy to make a laugth and like you are big guy that i just bug, so you want friends protection as you insecure and you joke with him in the middle | 21:50 |
| ZogG_lap1op | nice touch =) | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | ZogG, haven't You though about going for vacation? i've heard, that weather is nice where You live. | 21:50 |
| freemangordon | ZogG_lap1op: I don;t know what nationality you are, but there is deffinitely a difference on how western/eastern people understand one and the same sentence | 21:50 |
| Estel_ | it's holiday seasons, You know | 21:51 |
| Estel_ | (3th sentence) You know that sitting before monitor and writing 3x A4 posts on TMO is unhealthy? Mind taking a short walk? | 21:51 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i actully leaved in few countries and had experience with people from different nations | 21:51 |
| ZogG_lap1op | wait on the phone with GF | 21:51 |
| ZogG_lap1op | brb | 21:52 |
| qwazix_ | freemangordon: True, when I'm abroad with friends they keep asking us why are we arguing while we're just having a conversation | 21:52 |
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| * freemangordon is going off just before GF gets mad, bbl | 21:52 | |
| Estel_ | (slav mode on) ZogG, i jsut don't give a F***. i'm done with threads full of 4-5 people, that doesn't accept answrs and facts | 21:52 |
| Estel_ | see ya, freemangordon | 21:52 |
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| Estel_ | fun fact - I moved my ass, and calculated. turned out, that 70% of people protesting for CA have beeb candidates themselves. Whi9ch, of course, isn't any conflict of interest, at all ;() | 21:53 |
| Estel_ | especially, e-yes, who praised Community and Council in his submissions, yet, after losing, he posted one-liner about how he hate Council and Community. Hah! | 21:54 |
| Estel_ | ~botsnack | 21:54 |
| Sicelo | CA ftw \m/ | 21:54 |
| Estel_ | qwazix_, yea, it's common | 21:54 |
| Sicelo | lol | 21:54 |
| ZogG_lap1op | шэь ифсл | 21:55 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i'm back | 21:55 |
| Estel_ | qwazix_, it's just difference of temper | 21:55 |
| Estel_ | as You can see, we all missed, and waited. | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | holding our breath. | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | terrified. | 21:56 |
| Estel_ | if You haven't decide to get a short summer walk. you know, we wouldn't be able to sleep. | 21:57 |
| Estel_ | ok, enough of laughing around. | 21:57 |
| Estel_ | time for work! | 21:57 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i'm kinda slovacian related.i;m slavic | 21:57 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: you talk to much and again insult me | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang commies | 21:58 |
| Sicelo | Estel_: what is the latest RE: what qgil asked for a while back .. a direction/vision for us ? | 21:58 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, :D | 21:58 |
| Estel_ | yea, he should be carefull with what he wishes for | 21:58 |
| ZogG_lap1op | even if it's you language, i think you know it insult people as you stated above | 21:58 |
| Sicelo | hmm, ok | 21:58 |
| Estel_ | ZogG, i'm not insulting You. I just asked if You don't want to enjoy summer walk. | 21:58 |
| Estel_ | I'mcarrying about Your health, and You're aggressive? :( | 21:59 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i'll just post the log | 21:59 |
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| Estel_ | no, please. We know how to use scrollback, for 4 lines above. | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who wants +q ? | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | or at least, do it in zerobin and post link | 21:59 |
| ZogG_lap1op | i mean at that thread | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, me, I should work, instead of discussing about CA :( | 21:59 |
| Estel_ | thanks in advance | 22:00 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | i think it's not the first time here you have problems with that | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | play nice, kids! | 22:00 |
| ZogG_lap1op | DocScrutinizer05: btw i think you kicked me once for a joke =) | 22:00 |
| ZogG_lap1op | anyway gonna post the log | 22:00 |
| Estel_ | yea, it's not the first time I waste my time discutting with ZogG, instead of working :D | 22:00 |
| Estel_ | *fanfares* | 22:01 |
| Estel_ | *moment of movie-like tension...* | 22:01 |
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| * Estel_ is opening popcorn | 22:01 | |
| * Estel_ think that this movie is boring, nothing happen for 2 minutes already | 22:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got no idea *how* boring, for miost of chan members, since at least 10 min | 22:03 |
| * Sicelo is still trying to parse your reply Estel_ :/ | 22:03 | |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, belive me, I have idea... i'm just trying to be kind, you know | 22:03 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, it's possible that i've missunderstood You | 22:04 |
| Estel_ | care to rephrase question about qgil?> | 22:04 |
| Estel_ | vi__, ping | 22:04 |
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| qwazix_ | M4rtinK: hi, I've got a question if you don't mind... | 23:41 |
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| M4rtinK | qwazix_: no problem, go ahead :) | 23:42 |
| qwazix_ | I'm trying to build glib from cordia project for harmattan for some hours now, but it complains that i don't have gtk-docs installed | 23:45 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | M4rtinK: ping | 23:46 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | hmm is he cordia dev? | 23:46 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | qwazix_: ping | 23:46 |
| qwazix_ | crap, xchat crashed on me | 23:47 |
| ZogG_lap1op | is M4rtinK or you cordia devs? | 23:47 |
| qwazix_ | anyway, I tried --disable-gtk-doc | 23:47 |
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| M4rtinK | I think I just disabled it | 23:47 |
| qwazix_ | but it doesn't seem to do anything | 23:47 |
| ZogG_lap1op | =\ | 23:47 |
| qwazix_ | I also tried to build gtk-doc but I entered dependency hell | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC, it was dragging in LaTeX as a dependency :) | 23:47 |
| qwazix_ | not me for sure, but I know M4rtinK compiled gtk for harmattan | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | I actually ended just sublitting the Fremantle GTK package | 23:48 |
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| qwazix_ | which brings me to the question, your gtk has MAEMO_CHANGES, would it work if I build hildon desktop against it? | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | I tried upt to date version first (blew up on Gobject Introspection) | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | then tried a less recent one | 23:49 |
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| M4rtinK | and ended with the Fremantle one | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | I though about that too | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | I actually tried to build it | 23:50 |
| ZogG_lap1op | so cordia is not related to none of you? | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | but Hildon depends on clutter | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | nope | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | and Clutter needs some OpenGL stuff | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | and I never got it to compile | 23:50 |
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| M4rtinK | co If you get clutter | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | ZogG_lap1op: what's wrong with you men? You want a flamewar or what? And the most important question: WHY? | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | you might succeed with Hildon | 23:51 |
| qwazix_ | oh, I've got a hard time ahead. Do you remember how you disabled gtk-doc | 23:51 |
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| M4rtinK | hmm | 23:51 |
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| M4rtinK | I remember disabling tests by deleting their folder in the makefile somewhere | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | might be the same for docs | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | I think I also hit the same issue, eq. options not taking effect | 23:52 |
| qwazix_ | I tried that, also tried deleting the check whether installed | 23:52 |
| ZogG_lap1op | freemangordon: actually i didnt want, but after no one cared and closed the eyes i wanted to go to end. i say what i think. it wasn't right but than it got worse | 23:52 |
| qwazix_ | but I get errors further down the process... | 23:53 |
| Venemo_N9 | what's wrong now? | 23:53 |
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| qwazix_ | ok I'll try to purge the makefile from every reference to docs and see what happens | 23:53 |
| qwazix_ | thanks | 23:53 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Venemo_N9: not much read last posts. | 23:53 |
| Venemo_N9 | ZogG_lap1op, where? | 23:54 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Venemo_N9: on TMO | 23:54 |
| Venemo_N9 | omg, still talking about the council thing? | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | qwazix_: BTW, the repositories from my fight with GTK are still online: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3AMartinK%3Atesting | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | hope it helps :) | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | and good luck ! :) | 23:57 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Venemo_N9: yeah, it was brought up and i can't get passed and than everyone got seek in and than there was something between council that resolved one person somehow responsible for mess | 23:57 |
| Venemo_N9 | omg | 23:57 |
| Venemo_N9 | well, I threw in my opinion already. | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | ZogG_lap1op: what about that translation ? :) | 23:58 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | M4rtinK: oh you can see me now =) i'll do it this week, i promise, but ping me on #harmattan =) btw zogg@noicq.org is my jabber if you want to find me anytime =) | 23:59 |
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