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| vi___ | ~tmo | 00:49 |
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| infobot | somebody said tmo was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 00:49 |
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| vi___ | ~tmo trolls, morons, oxen. | 00:49 |
| vi___ | ~tmo | 00:49 |
| infobot | it has been said that tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 00:49 |
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| vi___ | ~butthurt | 00:50 |
| Hurrian | vi__, I assume it's regarding the Community Awards? | 00:51 |
| vi___ | uh huh. | 00:52 |
| vi___ | that thread has really bummed me out. | 00:52 |
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| Hurrian | man, is it such a hot potato. | 00:53 |
| Hurrian | personally, I think we should back off from discussing it until everybody's cooled down. | 00:53 |
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| vi___ | I would tend to agree. | 00:54 |
| Estel_ | what, 1660 lines to read on #maemo since yesterday? are you kidding me? | 00:54 |
| Estel_ | ah, I see, CA discussion migrated here ;) | 00:54 |
| vi___ | however a non-winner would suggest our opinion is biased. | 00:54 |
| * Estel_ just finished reading log | 00:55 | |
| Estel_ | vi_, OTOH, non-winners are biased too, as they haven't won. | 00:55 |
| vi___ | Estel_: well it seems wrong to discuss it in the thread. | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | I jsut did it - posted my loast post in this thread | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | yes. | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | I've quoted Felipe - as addition to other respectable people posts - and unsubscribed | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | let them root there | 00:56 |
| Estel_ | after all, this whole mess imade by 4 - sometimes 5 angry people | 00:56 |
| Estel_ | that shout loudly like they're an army ;) | 00:56 |
| vi___ | Anything that is said is seen as a threat, a troll move, a flounce announce or a good old fashioned spam war. | 00:56 |
| Estel_ | (4 when not counting abil, that is idiot anyway) | 00:56 |
| Hurrian | Estel_, who let abill_uk back in? | 00:56 |
| Estel_ | well, people have their warzone, let them enjoy | 00:56 |
| Estel_ | Hurrian, no one, he was never banned | 00:56 |
| Hurrian | :o | 00:57 |
| Estel_ | it's beyond me why chem|st or reggie let him be | 00:57 |
| Hurrian | I swear he's been stirring the pot again recently | 00:57 |
| Estel_ | they're probabl;y afraid that he will return under 5 different names | 00:57 |
| vi___ | Estel_: it is beyond chem|st control. | 00:57 |
| Estel_ | No idea, i'm ignoring him for ages | 00:57 |
| Estel_ | well, arie sounds like abil 2.0, so | 00:57 |
| Estel_ | this guy got about ~16 votes during election, yet, he p[roclaimed himself "oner and only harmattan councilor" LOL :D | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | anyway | 00:58 |
| Hurrian | Estel_, meh, it just disturbs me - I personally prefer to have no one on Ignore list | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | BTw, I LOl'ed while reading DocScrutinizer messages here, before. He've made few good points | 00:58 |
| Hurrian | gotta fix that problem on the forum | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | it's a pity, that he.s douchebag and went into calling lava_croft names, jsut because the latter didn't agreed on photos thing | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | Well, whole Doc. He's ignoring me on irc for same reason so... His right to do, anyway *shrugs* | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | Hurrian, abil was, probably, fiorst one on my list | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | then some idiot, james bondage or whatever, hes absent for ages | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | ed_boner | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | arie | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | IDK, haven't che3cked ignore list for ages | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | mrsomething | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | or how is he called | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | every single one earned it by hard trolling work :p | 01:00 |
| vi___ | I have no-one. | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | honestly, we have much more im portant things to do, consider lack of Nokia's funding, nthat is coming | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | vi_, I jsut don't have time to read through they useless posts | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | preffer to jump straight into useful things | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | Hurrian, honestly, I would let "Ca results announced" thread alone | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | belive me, it will die itself very quickly, without feed for trolls | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | what they're gonna do? quote themselves and answer? | 01:01 |
| vi___ | but it will not die. | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | everything that was worth saying, we've written at least 15 times, already | 01:02 |
| Estel_ | it will, You'll see ;) | 01:02 |
| vi___ | there is some very bad feelings. | 01:02 |
| Estel_ | it was living, because we've replied, unnecessary, about same thingsd, over and over | 01:02 |
| Estel_ | stop feeding troll -> troll goes somewhere else | 01:02 |
| Estel_ | everyone who got brain made up own mind already - be it "I think it's ok" or "they're corrupted fellas!", whatever | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | the other ones are there just for trolling purposes | 01:03 |
| vi___ | well i have read enough to feel bad about winning now. | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | be it long-time trolls like abil or Arie (who advance din trolling art quite quickly), or newbie-trolls like ZogG, who still think that he got some merit | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | vi_, honestly, almsot no one would expect that from You | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | so serious mode on: | 01:03 |
| Hurrian | agreed, it's become a toxic topic on TMO, and needs to be left alone for the time being | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | Your award is well earned, and anyone trying to disregard it should be slapped into face by rusty fork | 01:04 |
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| Estel_ | BTW - have You read Felipe Chrochik mail? | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | the one, where he said, that he wanted to donate device to someone, but cxhecking lsit, everyone deserving reward was awarded already? | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | it was really nice to read such thing from one of gurus | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | not to mention freemangordon, jacispedro, lma etc | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | BTW, freemangordon, thanks for taking aprt in that warzone, i know You don't like writing in shitstorm threads | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | now, there is only CC running :D | 01:06 |
| Estel_ | expect another, much smaller round of whinning by arie and co then | 01:06 |
| Estel_ | especially, when Maemo program will be awarded by harmattan device | 01:06 |
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| Estel_ | program = application, here | 01:06 |
| Estel_ | but, honestly, who care? | 01:06 |
| Estel_ | I'm absolutely sure CC will be held next year too, really, those aries/abil/zog pack isn't worth so much worrying. We've had worse flamewars already | 01:07 |
| vi___ | the maemo coding competiton is judged by all TMO right? | 01:07 |
| Estel_ | vi_, real;ly, don't feel bad about Your win - in other case, prize would be jsut forwarded to CC. | 01:07 |
| Estel_ | vi_,, not only TMO | 01:07 |
| Estel_ | basically, something like election | 01:07 |
| Estel_ | karma minimum of 10, etc | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | BTw, have You seen Saera project (topic on TMO)?> It's very promising | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | I know, I know, it's only basic AI, but having something like that in N900... | 01:08 |
| vi___ | so all eyes and INABT will still get their devices. | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | ...and teching few hundreds of smart conversation lines... | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | vi_, , i doubt it | 01:09 |
| Hurrian | Estel_, yup, finally a complete, pre-packaged PocketSphinx implementation | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | maybe e-yes | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | inabt would need to do somewthing useful, actually... | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | instead of scavenging javispedro work | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | Hurrian, yea | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | I'm going to teach her polish. | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | not polish thing | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | but Polish language :p | 01:10 |
| Hurrian | I really think it needs a rework to avoid stepping on Apple's toes. | 01:10 |
| vi___ | Estel_: kto? | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | next step - virtual sexc emulator, to give aries something to do instead of writing :P | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | vi_, ja | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | Hurrian, agreed | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, what you had in mind by "Estel_, please fix it" | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | ? | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | My photo is already on site | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | (council) | 01:11 |
| Hurrian | Estel_, interface a USB masturbator using libusb? | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | Hurrian, haha | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | and connect him to it permanently | 01:11 |
| Hurrian | iirc some japanese dating simulator videogames include those | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | or even better, to N9 with aegis error | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian: With an x64 compatibility layer!!! | 01:11 |
| vi___ | now now chaps, no need to get personal. | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | Hurrian, why they clal it dating? | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: I'm not sure why I pinged you then :p | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | it'sd all about last part ;0 | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | Must've made a mistake cause I remember actually seeing it | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | I see, np. | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, any plans to move cssu-thumb to cssu-testing or -devel, actually? | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | it seems to be more mature than current cssu-devel | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | AFAIK it's up to You or merlin | 01:13 |
| Estel_ | (as maintainers) | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | No, we have oppositions about forcing everyone to thumb | 01:13 |
| Hurrian | ...speaking of libusb, did anyone get the memo that it's deprecated by libusbx? I think that finally means developing 0xFFFF as main priority flasher should be higher now | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | I'll leave you to discuss that with DocScrutinizer in your own time frame | 01:13 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, LOL? CSSu is forcing many other things, already | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | Note: requires at least 2 hours | 01:14 |
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| Estel_ | and I'm not talking about oeprator widget only ;) | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, discussing with DocScrutinizer is futile | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: Not as big as thumb | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | This has a potential ABI break | 01:14 |
| Hurrian | MohammadAG, let's wait for another two releases of cssu-testing before pushing it into CSSU Main | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | well, so point single meritocratic argument of any con caused by thumb. | 01:14 |
| Hurrian | side note: CSSU thumb forces you to use k-p, and not the nokia kernel | 01:14 |
| Hurrian | so nokia kernel purists who use cssu may bitch | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | Hurrian, yea. But that's later about cssu and cssu-kp | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: Camera ui and the oerator widget while indeed forced do not cause some sort of ABI break | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | Hurrian, lets leave them non-kernel variant of CSSu, but it shouldn't be main | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, what is broken by thumb now? | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | Thumb does, it needs a new kernel and thus we need to ensure that all kernels support it and we nee to ship our own kernel for those not using kernel power | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | despite saving memory and rootfs space, which is rather pros? | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, see few lines above. | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | Nothing, it's an ABI break | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | like enter and kp_enter in terminal?;) | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | Google ABI break of you're not familiar with the term | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | honestly, it sounds ratyher ideological. | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | I am. | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm - isn't thumb deprecated and partially broken on the n900 proc? | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | of course it's up to you, but CSSU is now veyr fragmented, which is quite funny for project with so low suer-base | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: It requires recompiled binaries | 01:16 |
| Hurrian | SpeedEvil, it's fixed now | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | ah :) | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | (objectively, not subjectively vs Maemo at all) | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil: Fixed | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - not been keeping up. | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, no, it doesn't. ARM binaries works fine | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | it require recompiling to benefit from thumb | 01:17 |
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| MohammadAG | No, it's not up to me, I got hammered when I said I don't mind thumb in main branch | 01:17 |
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| Estel_ | + we have kernel-power-settings that depend onw rong thing, but it's rather not CSSU problem | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, so don't let Yourself be hammered so easily, without merit | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer is stubborn without any merit there | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: Yes, and if someone switches kernels they can't use those binaries | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | and his personal ego can't obstruct CSSu development, IMO | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | Resulting in an unstable system | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | I agreed with kernel | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | I see no rpoblems with CSSU-kernel and CSSU-lite variant | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: I simply give up, less headache | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | it's natural, that the lite one will be maintained and featured less. | 01:18 |
| Hurrian | wow, that's fragmented. | 01:18 |
| vi___ | I do not believ thumb belongs in cssu-main. | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | No personal attacks, please! | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, bad practice, giving up make folk like DocScrutinizer think, that if they shout loudly enough, they will have everything like they like. | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | no problem :) | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | I'mattacking position, not person. | 01:18 |
| vi___ | It does not smell right. | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | I jsut don't accept "you won't hijack CSSU" as answer, why thumb is bad, and other changes aren't. | 01:19 |
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| Estel_ | now we have CSSu-Stable, being not updated for ages | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: He has valid points, he's entitled to make an opinion | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | CSSU-Testing, working as CSSU-main | 01:19 |
| Hurrian | vi___, all that's needed to be done is to prove that thumb code executes properly on CPU | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, I absolutely agree. for opinion, not for blocking. | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | Hurrian, it's proved already. | 01:19 |
| vi___ | Hurrian: yes, however it is a one way ticket. | 01:19 |
| Hurrian | ? | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | ...then, we have CSSU-devel, sue dby almsot no one... | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | And CSSu-thumb, acting as -devel | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | So, *reral* world looks like: | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: If his opinion is agreed upon by others then I wouldn't argue | 01:20 |
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| Estel_ | MohammadAG, I seem to reclal that You said You don't mind thumb in main | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | anyway | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | reality is, that we have CSSU-Testing as main, and CSSU-thumb as testing | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | mutualy incompatible | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: Yes, but If DocScrutinizer and others suggested not to do that for valid reasons, I won't force it | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | then, we have CSSU-Stable as "legacy" | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | and CSSu-devel failing to provide. | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | OK, no problem. i'm making my points too | 01:21 |
| Hurrian | imo, since our N900s have such limited compute power, it's best that we utilize all it's features when we can | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | I started the cssu, I could be thought of the main leader of it but with great "power" comes great resposibility | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | it's CSSu maintainers responsibility, i'm not stepping in Your shoes | 01:21 |
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| Hurrian | we /may/ break some programs in corner cases, but it only means it should be fixed and tested more, not roll back | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | eh, spidermen quotation again? | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | There's a good user base running the cssu, we can't break stuff for them | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | I liked times when people were watching original star wars trilogy and lord of the rings, more :) | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, who said about breaking? | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | you have CSSU-stable | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: It shows when you run sudo for the first time on Debian | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | CSSU-thumb is ready for CSSU-devel, anyway | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | That's where I learned it, never seen spidey | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | thanks godness ;) | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: Typical situation | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | User installs cssu | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | anyway, i jsut don't realize why CSSU-devel isn't good place for thumb | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | User uses thumb binaries | 01:22 |
| * Estel_ is listening | 01:23 | |
| MohammadAG | User decided to legally hack a wifi network by using the supported kerne | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | User blindly follows tutorial instructing him to use kernel | 01:23 |
| Estel_ | so we have user error, already. CSSU problem? | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | User installs kernel with WLAN drivers, ends up with unbootable drivers | 01:24 |
| Hurrian | mp-fremantle-community-pr-thumb Conflicts: kernel-power < 51 | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | Err, unbootable or unstable system | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | Sorry, I'm tired | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | there are still tutorials, where people are supposeds kp4-wl1 | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, LOL, thisa way we should use kp50 | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | cause it break, when user flashed kp46-wl1 | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian: That's not the only kernel and Debian packaging isn't the only way of installing a custom kernel | 01:24 |
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| MohammadAG | You could use flasher | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | not to mention ,that this can be handled easily by dependencies and conflicts. | 01:24 |
| Hurrian | mp-fremantle-community-pr-thumb Requires: kernel-thumb-support | 01:25 |
| Hurrian | fixed! | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, if someone use flasher for that, it's his damn responsibility | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | to ensure that he isn't dumbie. | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | Hurrian, agree | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | thinking like that, we would be sittinjg on Nokia kernel without CSSu at all | 01:25 |
| Hurrian | anything else is idiot intentionally breaking system | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | No, the fact that online guides make it easy doesn't | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | anyway, I understand that You're tired MohammadAG,. not keeping You with prolonged discussion | 01:25 |
| Hurrian | anyways, user should be able to mount fremantle rootfs from nemo and reinstall correct modules and flash kernel | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | No, I'm tired so I will make typing mistakes | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, everyone can use dpkg --force or flasher, no matter what | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | It's not my way of leaving a discussion | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | ah I see | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | no problem, I also do them ;) | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | Well, idiot can force installation of kp46-wl1 modules on kp50 | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: Flasher is easier to use than dpkg --gorce | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | so what? | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | According to online guides | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | arguable, but even if... | 01:26 |
| Macer | anybody try a roku? | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | we shouldn't give a shit about random online guide. | 01:26 |
| Hurrian | shouldn | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | If I write guige to do crossover USb cable, plug it into main, and enable hostmode... | 01:27 |
| Hurrian | *shouldn't we simply paint a big, fat banner that idorts need to use modern kernels? | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | Should we banish hostmode? | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | ^^^ yes for what Hurrian said | 01:27 |
| vi___ | you cannot do that. | 01:28 |
| Hurrian | actually, fmg's thumb enable patch should be in all kernels built from here on out | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | Don't take iot as personal, but IMO DocScrutinizer is jsut pivoting CSSu to his own "vision" suited only for his particular device, which is becoming mroe and more irritating for casual users | 01:28 |
| vi___ | You have to make it idiot proof. | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: no, it's not fixed. It has a _amybe_ working workaround in kernel space | 01:28 |
| Macer | lol. well... he put in a lot of work | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | honestly, we have so low ammount of devs working on CSSu, that You can't even get bug report acknowledged, when written in one of 6 CSSU threadfs | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | CSSu-stable, CSSU-Testing, CSSU-devel, CSSU-thumb... | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | Tommorow we will have CSSU-Thumb-testing | 01:29 |
| vi___ | Estel_: that is absurd. | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | CSSU-thumb-devel | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | CSSU-arse-crack | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | CSSU-nokernel-stable | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | CSSU-kernel-stable... | 01:29 |
| NIN101 | ... | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | and whole 3 people working on all of them | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | + programmers of other applications, screwing this and writing for compatibility with latest CSSu only | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | or even worse, one that they feel fancy most | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, is wrong, again | 01:30 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon got *absolutely* working workaround in kernel secure mode. | 01:30 |
| Estel_ | Judging by that, we have _maybe_ working hostmode, _maybe_ working wifi with injection, and _maybe_ working CSSU | 01:30 |
| Estel_ | disrespecting freemangordon work, just because it doesn't suit personal tatse, is just... Well, I'll refrain from naming it. | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | BTW, we're talking about CSSU-tumb going into CSSU-devel | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | *devel* | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | magiv 5 letters | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | s/magiv/magic/ | 01:31 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: magic 5 letters | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | no one said that it has to go stable tommorow. | 01:32 |
| Estel_ | Just, today's plentora-repo and plentora-topic scenario is absurd. | 01:32 |
| Estel_ | tommorow, we will end with 10 CSSu vfariants, everyone used by 5 people. + 3 variants used by devs and maintainers only. | 01:33 |
| Estel_ | ah, whatever. Not my cup of tea, anyway | 01:33 |
| * Estel_ is going to do full-backup and upgrade CSSU-thumb | 01:33 | |
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| Estel_ | freemangordon, could it be related to compcache? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1225181&postcount=266 | 01:35 |
| Estel_ | from the other barrel of vine - I've read about harmattan view on /etc/event.d and aegis... | 01:36 |
| Estel_ | I'm jsut going to throw Mer into N950 as soon as it arrives,even though it isn't and probably never will be fully hardware supported :/ | 01:36 |
| Estel_ | ~botsnack | 01:39 |
| infobot | Estel_: thanks | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~useless | 01:39 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 01:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~hostmode | 01:40 |
| infobot | hostmode is, like, piece of crap written by morons to fry other people's devices! beware! | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~h-e-n | 01:40 |
| infobot | do ~hostmode and ~factinfo hostmode, this is your maemo council :-/ | 01:40 |
| Hurrian | Estel_, pm | 01:45 |
| Estel_ | Hurrian, on TMO? | 01:45 |
| Estel_ | ocscrutinizing | 01:50 |
| Estel_ | ~DocScrutinizing | 01:50 |
| infobot | it has been said that docscrutinizing is when someone value his ideology, ti the point of trying to force it on others, no matter of cost. Possible use case are a) infobot abuse b) threats for kick on IRC c) calling "idiot" anyone, who doesn't agree. Also, see zealot or pottering. | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizing | ~forget docscrutinizing | 01:51 |
| infobot | i forgot docscrutinizing, DocScrutinizing | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizing | ~lock docscrutinizing | 01:52 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizing | ~docscrutinizing is a nonsense invented by estel_ as he's a fool | 01:52 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizing: okay | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizing | ~lock docscrutinizing | 01:52 |
| infobot | locking factoid docscrutinizing, DocScrutinizing | 01:52 |
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| Estel_ | fun things happen on IRC during night, yep? It's almost like minecraft night mode. | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: warning! pending kickban for bot abuse on purpose of personal insult | 01:53 |
| Estel_ | Docscrutinizer! warning~pwnding removal of chanop operator, for threatening with power abuse. | 01:54 |
| Estel_ | or even of ;0 | 01:54 |
| Estel_ | ~pottering | 01:54 |
| Estel_ | ~pöttering | 01:55 |
| NIN101 | kids everywhere. | 01:55 |
| Estel_ | sure, we have baby-boom. | 01:55 |
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| M4rtinK | hey, I once saw Lennart in person :) | 01:58 |
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| Estel_ | ~kickban | 01:58 |
| infobot | rumour has it, kickban is tool, that was used to manage irc account in good old days. Reportedly, on #maemo, it's only thing some people have to say, when they hypocrytic behavior of pivoting infobot is revealed. Also, see ~pivoting | 01:58 |
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| Estel_ | M4rtinK, and how he was like? | 01:59 |
| Estel_ | Normal person, I suppose? | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo kickban | 01:59 |
| infobot | kickban -- created by Estel_ <~Estel@Maemo/Community/council/Estel-> 1m 7s ago; it has been requested once, last by Estel_, 43s ago. | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget kickban | 01:59 |
| infobot | i forgot kickban, DocScrutinizer05 | 01:59 |
| nox- | http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/27C3/mp4-h264-HQ/27c3-4017-en-desktop_on_the_linux.mp4 | 01:59 |
| nox- | re poettering | 01:59 |
| nox- | http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/4017.en.html | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | BTW, we will need to talk a little abotu 3rd party infobot statyus on IRC | 02:00 |
| NIN101 | ah yeah, i was their in RL when he was highjacking this talk. | 02:00 |
| nox- | heh | 02:00 |
| Estel_ | it's quiite not Ok, than one, biased person, keep admin rights over this tool. | 02:00 |
| * nox- only watched the stream | 02:00 | |
| M4rtinK | looked normal :) | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a very funny one | 02:00 |
| M4rtinK | I've heard he is not the best moderator in the world :) | 02:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 lols at momentary glance of unfiltered chanlog | 02:01 | |
| Estel_ | ~infobot | 02:02 |
| infobot | well, infobot is a 3rd party tool, that will transfer into proper channel tool soon, instead of being toy managed by one guy only, and pivoted to his needs. | 02:02 |
| NIN101 | OMG it's getting ridiculous Estel_ | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | NIN101, You're missing fun from TMO Ca thread?;) | 02:02 |
| NIN101 | not at all. | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the records: infobot is absolutely completely unrelated to Nokia, #maemo, or any other domain some people here think they have to conquer to increase their self esteem | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | ~3rdparty is when something is not related to Nokia, @maemo, or whatever | 02:03 |
| infobot | Estel_: okay | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | ~3rdparty | 02:03 |
| infobot | methinks 3rdparty is when something is not related to Nokia, @maemo, or whatever | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | for the records ;) | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the only relation between infobot and #amemo is it's been invited by chanowner(!) | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | nice. Thanks for info, we will contact chanowner about this issue. | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | factoids are fun toys, but shouldn't be used to manipulate facts, like | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | ~h-e-en | 02:04 |
| Estel_ | ~h-e-n | 02:04 |
| infobot | do ~hostmode and ~factinfo hostmode, this is your maemo council :-/ | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | ~manipulation is something like ~h-e-n | 02:05 |
| infobot | Estel_: okay | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | ~manipulation | 02:05 |
| infobot | methinks manipulation is something like ~h-e-n | 02:05 |
| Estel_ | OK fellas, tired of this BS. See ya tommorow | 02:05 |
| * Estel_ waves | 02:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, it seems time to tweak her ignore list as well | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget manipulation | 02:07 |
| infobot | i forgot manipulation, DocScrutinizer05 | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo infobot | 02:08 |
| infobot | infobot -- created by Jupe <~rez@fl-71-55-208-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net> at Wed Nov 16 23:40:52 2011 (219 days); last modified 6m 9s ago by Estel_!~Estel@Maemo/Community/council/Estel-; it has been requested 81 times, last by Estel_, 5m 53s ago. | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget infobot | 02:08 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot infobot | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since overriding factoids like ~infobot is an offensive act and not conforming to supposed good will in using the bot | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as generally is deletion or complete redefinition of established factoids, to make them meet personal preferences or channel specific info | 02:19 |
| Macer | YELLOW CARD! | 02:23 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer bitching as usual? See ~h-e-n that You've overwritten yourself, then lockied. | 02:47 |
| Estel_ | do what Yuo want, for me You've lost any reasonability and donm't qualify to moderate anything, be it maemo irc channel, or even toy as infobot. I'll do my best, to forward every log of Your abuse to correct authority. | 02:48 |
| Estel_ | Of course, when time permits, as we have *much* more important things to do, than one childlish chanop in IRC. Keep that in mind, no one is unremovable. | 02:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Can I ban? | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to ban? | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or maybe just +q. | 02:57 |
| RST38h | No, but you can whine | 02:57 |
| RST38h | Or troll. In fact, trolling is morespectacular | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't trolled in a while. | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should get the crew back on Live or something. | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: I'm welcoming any assistance/stand-in, in whatever form | 02:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, but that means I'd have to read scrollback | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | and figure out exactly what happened. :< | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-P | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's part of the game, yes | 03:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But my eyes are already bleeding. | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why do you two want to make my eyes bleed more? | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually for both, banning and (proper good) trolling | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually doing very little that I don't feel like mandatory moderation action | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when somebody is abusing ibot, I start action to fix this | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depending on the main field of impact, either on bot side or channel moderation side (if applicable) | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not planning to hurt your eyes :-D | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but actually I hope it's already a closed ticket, so no need for you to take further action - at least that's what I hope is result of some settings tweaking behind the scenes I did | 03:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: on a more joyful topic - what do you think about our infra future? | 03:08 |
| javispedro | moo gentlemen! | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HEEEY!!! | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: !! :-)))) | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | long time no see! | 03:10 |
| javispedro | prolly | 03:10 |
| javispedro | how's #maemo feeling tooday | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recently a bit mad, but nothing really unusual | 03:11 |
| RST38h | Moo, javispedro | 03:11 |
| RST38h | What brings you here at 3:11 or whatever time it is? | 03:11 |
| javispedro | 2:11 | 03:11 |
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| RST38h | Oh | 03:12 |
| javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_John%27s_Eve#Spain | 03:12 |
| javispedro | so i'm outside enjoying someone else's fireworks | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, nice | 03:12 |
| RST38h | Ah! | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's Spain the way I like it - fireworks at 2o'clock in the night | 03:13 |
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| javispedro | :) | 03:14 |
| javispedro | though the average rate is already decreasing :) | 03:14 |
| RST38h | Doc: Getting this shit all over the year in Moscow | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, javispedro. | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | How's life? | 03:16 |
| RST38h | Doc: as every fat pig feelslike buying fireworksfor his birthday | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, Moscow is insane, thought as much | 03:16 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, finely doing | 03:22 |
| javispedro | I am starting my slow descent into apple cult | 03:22 |
| RST38h | no noooooo | 03:22 |
| * javispedro types from an mba | 03:22 | |
| RST38h | go with the huge green trashcan | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, meh, nothing wrong with their computers (for the time being, at least until they turn them into appliances). | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the mobile devices where the trouble is. | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, glad to hear it, javispedro. :) | 03:23 |
| RST38h | not that it is good, but at least it is not viral | 03:23 |
| javispedro | one cannot enter an apple store with a $2000 prepaid card and exit empty handled :) | 03:24 |
| javispedro | *handed | 03:24 |
| RST38h | javispedro: So, the question "who gave you the first one as a present?" is fully valid? | 03:25 |
| RST38h | how evil they are, those Apple cultists! | 03:25 |
| javispedro | :) | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2000$ prepaid card - DUH! | 03:27 |
| Hurrian | javispedro, all my apple stuff are presents/free stuff | 03:27 |
| RST38h | He can still survive this if he buys a MacBook and instals Win7 on it | 03:28 |
| Hurrian | it's incredible how something I actively avoid buying ends up here | 03:28 |
| RST38h | Ritually killing MacOS in its hardware womb! | 03:28 |
| javispedro | RST38h is right in that I'm actually trying to scavenge a w7 license to see how fast it boots :) | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Boo, W7. | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, seems I got some stickers under my laptops | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm recently enamored with Linux Mint Cinnamon. | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, only xp | 03:29 |
| javispedro | also, the store was on portland, OR, no tax... | 03:31 |
| javispedro | don't tell spain's IRS, please :) | 03:32 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 03:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles phones up the consulate. | 03:32 | |
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| javispedro | well, gotta go! | 03:33 |
| javispedro | cya soon hopefully | 03:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tah | 03:34 |
| RST38h | run for the board! | 03:34 |
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| RST38h | Mghm...why board? Border. | 03:43 |
| * RST38h wonders how this particular mistake has been made | 03:43 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Muscle memory is an awesome thing. | 03:44 |
| Estel_ | Hello GeneralAntilles! nice to see Your writings again | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: there's ever before been such flamewar against any maemo council? | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, the ITT -> Talk changeover was pretty toasty. | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's been driving that, back when? | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (just out of interest) | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Driving the changeover? | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was part of the maemo.org overhaul. | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly it was Reggie, I think. | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't recall entirely. | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was, what, 2009? | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like, 30 years ago. | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I more asked about proponents | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who came up with the suggestion, who thought it's a good (or bad) idea? | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the maemo.org core people thought it was a good idea | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't recall where the suggestion originated. | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | er | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org and ITT core people | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 03:52 |
| RiD | potato | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the whining came from people whose names I don't recall. | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the usual suspects rushed in whining and shouting, I guess | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't blame us for not communicating, though! :P | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah :-) | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what a crazy world this has become | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mixed up muddled up shook up world | 03:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 feels like inspecting fridge for a beer now | 03:54 | |
| RiD | i wonder what would happen if suddenly every technological device stopped wokrking | 03:54 |
| RiD | we'd all probably die | 03:54 |
| merlin1991 | inspecting as if it has been there since years? | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn sure we would - trolls on tmo first | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh damn | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | That reminds me | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: yep, exactly | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got about 2 glasses left in a REALLY GOOD bottle of wine. | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | :o | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D yay | 03:55 |
| RiD | in the literal way | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: hi, btw :-) | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: sure literally. And trolls literally would die from any mad action they can't keep themselves from doing when they can't troll anymore | 03:56 |
| RiD | DocScrutinizer05, mind if I ask, what IRC client do you use on your n900? | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like... running out on the street shouting at next police officer and pointing at him with something that might look like a waepon | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xchat | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | REALLY GOOD WINE | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | That is all. | 03:58 |
| RiD | DocScrutinizer05 have you figured out how to autocomplete nicknames? I didn't *cries* | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: with proper config ;-D | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 03:58 |
| infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one up | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then /xchat | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I do autocomplete by shift-space | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | other minor tweaks in those config and scriptie files there | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think xchat becomes pretty usable that way | 03:59 |
| RiD | DocScrutinizer05 oh, it works lol. Thanks for the link, definitely going to check out some stuff | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 04:00 |
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| RiD | You know, I once almost got in trouble with a IRC moderator (not on freenode, though) because he didn't believe I wasn't on the computer | 04:01 |
| RiD | "but you are on xchat" | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 04:02 |
| nox- | haha | 04:02 |
| RiD | I had to take a print screen to show him I was not lying, lol | 04:02 |
| merlin1991 | hm all I have is Slivovitz | 04:02 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: found that beer? :D | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, there's been something on my task stack.... | 04:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 heads out | 04:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YEAH \o/ | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Krug-Brau Lager | 04:04 |
| RiD | I got H20 mixed with some nitrogen to keep it cold | 04:04 |
| RiD | best fridge I ever had | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cheers! | 04:05 |
| trx | merlin1991 haha is it Serbian? | 04:06 |
| merlin1991 | trx: ofc :) | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: /ctcp DocScrutinizer51 version | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not 05, 51! | 04:08 |
| RiD | oh *sigh* | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 04:08 |
| RiD | xchat 2.8.6 | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I'm a bit confused as I thought it will answer with a clue about "maemo" somehow | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it doesn't it seems | 04:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 blames RST38h ;-P | 04:10 | |
| merlin1991 | too much information makes it too easy for exploiters ;) | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 04:11 |
| RiD | it should say mars :/ | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: slivo is really amazing when digested warm (+50°C ++), when you put some pepper into the pot where you warm it up | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good black papper, not that tasteless grey dust | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pepper even | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | think I learnt that at a yugoslavian restaurant | 04:14 |
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| merlin1991 | they have a different slivo there | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *this* might actually be the case | 04:15 |
| RiD | I have to go, see you all | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see you, RiD | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | soon! | 04:17 |
| RiD | hopefully | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's .pt anyway? | 04:18 |
| * RiD feels offended | 04:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how? | 04:19 |
| RiD | PT is PorTugal | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 04:19 |
| RiD | not offended, but I thought Portugal was still in the map | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no clue about FLDs | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or TLD? | 04:19 |
| RiD | I don't even know what FLD or TLD is | 04:19 |
| RiD | lol | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | top level domain | 04:19 |
| RiD | oh, and what is fld then? | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the rightmost part of a URL | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first level | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as iirc things like google in google.com is second level | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fld | 04:21 |
| infobot | First Level Domain | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki fld | 04:21 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLD (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{redirect|FLD|Fisher's linear discriminant|Linear discriminant analysis}} {{Cleanup|date=October 2008}} "Most of the content is verified to be copyright-violation-free. Please edit the article to remove any copyright violation instead of deleting the article." {{Expert-verify|date=October 2008}} 'Ferro Liquid Display' or Ferro-electric Liquid Display (FLD) or Ferro Fluid Display (FFD) is ... | 04:21 |
| RiD | that bot is way too smart. Anyways, don't stop me from going | 04:21 |
| merlin1991 | itsn't it tld | 04:21 |
| merlin1991 | as in top level domain? | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, who's fisher and his discriminant? :-o | 04:22 |
| RiD | I can't read that text, my whole vision is getting blurry. | 04:22 |
| merlin1991 | ~wiki tld | 04:22 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tld (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{redirect|TLD}} {{Redirect|TLDN|Temporary Location Directory Number|Mobile Station Roaming Number}} A 'top-level domain' (TLD) is one of the domains at the highest level in the hierarchical Domain Name System of the Internet.{{cite web | url=http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1591 | title=Domain Name System Structure and Delegation | accessdate=2011-02-07 | last=Postel | first = Jon | ... | 04:22 |
| merlin1991 | hah :) | 04:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waves at RiD | 04:22 | |
| Estel_ | damn, almsot two weeks ago I got mail from Farnell, that my RPi was sent | 04:22 |
| Estel_ | they've also charged my credit card. Still, no delivery | 04:22 |
| Estel_ | I though rPi was sent via quick delivery provider, like DHL or something like that? | 04:23 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 cheers at merlin1991 | 04:23 | |
| Estel_ | now they FCKD up loging system don't leg me log in - I've tried recovering password, but it requires username. I've tried recovering username, but when I provide my real name and mail (correct, as I've got notification there) it says, that i'm not in client base. WTF? | 04:24 |
| Estel_ | anyone here received Rpi? What delivery service they've used? | 04:24 |
| merlin1991 | my rpi is still mia | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rpi like the berry? | 04:25 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, but they haven't send You notification about shipping it already/haven't charged credit card? | 04:25 |
| merlin1991 | dunno a m8 ordered them | 04:25 |
| Estel_ | I see | 04:26 |
| merlin1991 | afaik the charged some time ago but nothing else ever happened | 04:26 |
| Estel_ | well, good way of selling things :P | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is that just me or is the slivo already kicking in? ;-D | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah finally my wetware parser spit out sth about m8 | 04:27 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 04:27 |
| Estel_ | I wonder if Pi is going to be available in larger quantities, whenever | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~m8 | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah! | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf m8 | 04:27 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what m8 means... | 04:27 |
| merlin1991 | I guess we have to tell her about that one :) | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 04:28 |
| Estel_ | I ordered this one for personal use - ED via miniHDMI in different resolutions, for outside screen... | 04:28 |
| Estel_ | But I also liekd to investigate turning it into mediabox, and maybe even buying more and selling mediaboxes | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~m8 is mate | 04:28 |
| * infobot throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at is mate | 04:28 | |
| Estel_ | haha | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang wut? | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 04:28 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: if you're going for a media box look into openelec | 04:28 |
| merlin1991 | they have a rpi build | 04:29 |
| Estel_ | thanks, looks good. | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, now the convo starts to make even more sense ;-) | 04:29 |
| Estel_ | ~AK47 | 04:30 |
| Estel_ | ~AK47 DocScrutinizer | 04:30 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: had *some* slivo way before I came on here, so if anything my text output is rubbish ever since ;) | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I simply got confused by some parts missing, so I lost the context | 04:31 |
| Estel_ | ~assasinate Farnell | 04:31 |
| Estel_ | ~murder farnell | 04:31 |
| Estel_ | ah, she doesn't liksten to me anymore ;) | 04:31 |
| Estel_ | thanks to some egomaniac ;D | 04:31 |
| Estel_ | BTW, I wonder if it's just delivery overdue, or... | 04:32 |
| M4rtinK | regarding the Rpi as a media centre - note that it currently doesn't do MPEG-2 due to licensing issues | 04:35 |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: I think it's part of their business plan | 04:36 |
| Estel_ | currently? i.e. it did it before, or will do later? | 04:36 |
| merlin1991 | M4rtinK: it does a few others aswell | 04:36 |
| merlin1991 | Also, it does anything you want it to on cpu ;) | 04:36 |
| merlin1991 | though that is quite slow | 04:36 |
| Estel_ | mpeg-2 isn;t used for DVDs? | 04:36 |
| M4rtinK | DVDs and DVB-T | 04:37 |
| Estel_ | DVB-T not everywhere, most countries use MPEG-4 | 04:37 |
| M4rtinK | andy maybe DivX/X-Vid and similar ? | 04:37 |
| Estel_ | only germany and some others incorporate mpeg-2 | 04:37 |
| Estel_ | IIRc, xvid and divx is other cup of tea | 04:37 |
| Estel_ | but I may be wrong | 04:37 |
| Estel_ | anyway, what about those licensing issue? | 04:37 |
| * Estel_ is going to read rPi page | 04:37 | |
| merlin1991 | Estel_: the software to offload the decoding to the gpu is closed | 04:38 |
| merlin1991 | and gay | 04:38 |
| Estel_ | yea, was aware of that... | 04:39 |
| M4rtinK | there is the discussion about it: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3538&sid=e401489f9fb1116993f4742f36c00224 | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | but mpeg-2, from all standards? | 04:39 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 04:39 |
| merlin1991 | the backend is openmax | 04:39 |
| M4rtinK | basically, it would cost some 2 dolars more per unit | 04:39 |
| merlin1991 | why exactly has it "open" in the name? | 04:39 |
| M4rtinK | like the Open Group ? :) | 04:40 |
| merlin1991 | M4rtinK: also: Two licensed codecs will be provided at launch, MPEG4 and h.264 | 04:40 |
| M4rtinK | or Open Handset Alliance ? :) | 04:40 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, IMHO they paid the licence for MPEG-4 and h.264 | 04:40 |
| M4rtinK | but not MPEG-2 | 04:40 |
| merlin1991 | oh I mixed up does and doesn't | 04:41 |
| M4rtinK | the hardware is certainly capable | 04:41 |
| M4rtinK | but there are no drivers :) | 04:42 |
| M4rtinK | well, for MPEG-2 | 04:42 |
| M4rtinK | still, I'm quite optimistic in this one | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: h.264 is licenced? | 04:42 |
| merlin1991 | yea | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 04:43 |
| merlin1991 | they claim high profile decode runs fine | 04:43 |
| merlin1991 | the famous 1080p line | 04:43 |
| M4rtinK | there are just too many developers with the boards in their hands :) | 04:43 |
| cehteh | Doc you dont have a pi yet? :) | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah | 04:44 |
| cehteh | hah :) i do | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even pondered to get one | 04:44 |
| M4rtinK | I don't have one either (yet) | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't make me feel envy | 04:44 |
| cehteh | well i didnt used mine past week .. too busy | 04:45 |
| M4rtinK | but I should get a 3D printed case for it soon from a friend :) | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what for do you all (plan to) use it? | 04:45 |
| cehteh | not finally settled .. have to much ideas but only one device :P | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 04:46 |
| cehteh | this first one is for experimenting and testing | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: hi, btw :) | 04:46 |
| M4rtinK | probably a media box & GPIO fun | 04:47 |
| cehteh | and will either end as kitchen computer, mediaplayer or some other home appliance (web-controllable sockets or so) | 04:47 |
| cehteh | i'll bring mine to froscon | 04:47 |
| cehteh | also planned to integrate it in my monitor but it cant do its full resolution (which is slightly out of spec) | 04:48 |
| cehteh | 2048x1152 | 04:48 |
| cehteh | or autonomous flying qadcopter. .. whatever there are many ideas :) | 04:48 |
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| cehteh | this binary blobs suck .. but the rest is way freeer .. build mostly up to date kernels, no (much) ugly patches, zram performs well for example | 04:50 |
| cehteh | unlinke the n900 where nokia patched the mm code | 04:50 |
| Estel_ | heh, after reading this whole bullshit... | 04:51 |
| Estel_ | (i.e. forum rPi about mpeg-2) | 04:51 |
| cehteh | yes that sux | 04:51 |
| Estel_ | I really doubt they haven't go with something that use hardware Theora decoding ;) | 04:51 |
| Estel_ | heck, I even sue theora in my N900, I don't care that it's running on CPU only | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | BTw | 04:52 |
| cehteh | dunno, but there is a so big community they may reverse engineer the graphics core :P | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | "If Yuo decode mpeg-2 to mpeg-4, Yuo should pay license fee" was my best part | 04:52 |
| cehteh | or broadcom may become convinced to release its specs | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | wa sbets part* | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | it's like "if You're getting rid of windows and installing linux, You should pay to redmond" | 04:52 |
| cehteh | there is a completely unused DSP on the rpi too | 04:52 |
| Estel_ | lol | 04:53 |
| RST38h | hw theora is like hw skype | 04:53 |
| Estel_ | and only one camera interface connected ;0 | 04:53 |
| Estel_ | RST38h, what do you mean exactly? | 04:53 |
| cehteh | they just hunted for a cheap arm .. sadly its just the stepchild of that SOC :) | 04:53 |
| RST38h | the format is so messed up by cool eleet software people that doing it in hw is problematic | 04:53 |
| Estel_ | with the difference, that Theora is open and well documented, while Skyp is equally opposite | 04:54 |
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| Estel_ | but overall, i get the point | 04:54 |
| RST38h | does not matter how well it is documented, unfortunately | 04:54 |
| Estel_ | it | 04:54 |
| Estel_ | it's messe dup so much? | 04:54 |
| RST38h | what matters is whether they use snippets of their own C code in the format description document | 04:54 |
| Estel_ | oh damn, i think i'm tired | 04:54 |
| Estel_ | I mean "It's messed up *so* much?" | 04:55 |
| RST38h | like Google does | 04:55 |
| cehteh | n8 | 04:55 |
| RST38h | If you cannot describe format without resorting to your particular source code, this means your "standard" is messed up | 04:55 |
| Estel_ | so, AIUI, hardware decoding is hard because it would require work = money paid for programmers, not that it's undoable anyway? | 04:56 |
| Estel_ | i.e. "standard" ahrd to follow? | 04:57 |
| Estel_ | damn, hard | 04:57 |
| RST38h | Sorry, but I am going to leave it to you to figure out why implementing arbitrary C source code in hardware is hard | 04:57 |
| RST38h | Make it your homework for today, ok? | 04:57 |
| Estel_ | sure, I admit that I'm not specialist in this :) | 04:57 |
| Estel_ | instead, I wouldn't ask, so I'll google for it with pleasure. | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: n8 | 04:59 |
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| Estel_ | o fuck, gcompris on Pi! | 05:01 |
| Estel_ | Why i haven't though about that | 05:01 |
| Estel_ | well, i know who will occupy my Pi when not used for HDMI out :) | 05:02 |
| Estel_ | in fact, I'm starting to regret that we can't buy two, for now. Sounds like first computer for my son ;) | 05:02 |
| Sc0rpius | two ? | 05:07 |
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| Estel_ | Sc0rpius, yea | 05:41 |
| Estel_ | one for my 3 years old Son, and one for me. Both to play with, but in different areas ;) | 05:41 |
| Estel_ | he is already using my N900 quite much, and - to say at least - dissapointed, when I have to do something on n900 at the same time ;) | 05:42 |
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| Kowalczyk | hi. Ive seen a lot of screenshots with those 15 30 and this one with 15 30 60 in the bottom right corner: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10848&stc=1&d=1276153127 what is that? | 12:16 |
| Kowalczyk | from N900 | 12:17 |
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| Kowalczyk | cant figure out what app or what it is | 12:28 |
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| vi__ | Kowalczyk: it is a QBW (queen beecon widget). | 12:46 |
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| vi__ | What it does, I have NFC. | 12:46 |
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| Kowalczyk | ok... thanks.. will check it out. need to figure out how to create icons and stuff. want to change the taskbar icon etc.. | 12:49 |
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| jon-kha | Kowalczyk that is sleeper widget http://wiki.maemo.org/Sleeper | 12:52 |
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| zeq_laptop | merlin1991: I'm seriously struggling to get a statically linked gcc cross-compiler built for scratchbox. Do you have any pointers? Using "-static" in CFLAGS or CC fails to link ppl properly, so I tried using the --with-boot-ldflags=-static, but that seemed to have no effect. :( | 13:20 |
| merlin1991 | zeq_laptop: freemangordon might have some pointers | 13:21 |
| zeq_laptop | yeah, he should be back around some time today | 13:21 |
| zeq_laptop | I spent a large part of yesterday setting up a 32bit chroot, and building the toolchain prerequistites. It's a long process... | 13:22 |
| zeq_laptop | frustrated at the end! | 13:23 |
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| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: ping | 13:24 |
| zeq_laptop | I also seem to have somehow broken the garage git repo for the fennec project!?! It was working, I was pushing the source tree, but it got stuck, since then git just sits there. I tried cloning from the repo, but... silence. | 13:26 |
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| Tofe | Hi ! | 13:33 |
| zeq_laptop | Tofe: Good morning! | 13:33 |
| Tofe | Yep, it's 1:34PM in the morning here :) | 13:34 |
| zeq_laptop | :) | 13:34 |
| zeq_laptop | It's a Sunday, morning all day | 13:34 |
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| Tofe | exactly ! | 13:34 |
| Kowalczyk | jon-kha: aha.. thank you :D | 13:37 |
| Kowalczyk | any good guide for changing icons? example for the menu/taskswitcher? | 13:37 |
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| Tofe | how does one debug a hildon status area plugin ? debugging directly on N900 seems a *bit* risky... | 13:39 |
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| merlin1991 | Tofe: sb? | 14:06 |
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| zeq_laptop | is there a way to reinitialise the git repo of a garage project? do I need to email an admin, is there anybody here? | 14:07 |
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| hiemanshu | zeq_laptop: you want to do what exactly? | 14:14 |
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| Tofe | merlin1991: ah, yes, of course. With some printf, that could work well. | 14:18 |
| zeq_laptop | hiemanshu: I can't pull/push to the remote repo since it got stuck. I've no idea why. It was working. But there's nothing in the remote repo atm, so I thought it might be best just to reinitialise it and start again. | 14:18 |
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| hiemanshu | zeq_laptop: best speak to an admin then | 14:19 |
| zeq_laptop | merlin1991: fixed the build, I needed to use " --with-host-libstdcxx="-lstdc++ -lsupc++ -lm" | 14:19 |
| Tofe | but does hildon-desktop load everything that is located in /usr/lib/hildon-desktop, or is there a config file to activate specific plugins ? I didn't find anything clear about that | 14:20 |
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| merlin1991 | Tofe: there are .desktop files in /usr/share/ ... afaik | 14:25 |
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| Tofe | ah ok, so I guess activating a plugin would mean "put the .desktop the right way"... I'll investigate that. Thanks ! | 14:27 |
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| Macer | hm | 14:42 |
| Macer | need to find something to put ecomstation on | 14:42 |
| Macer | :) in soviet russie os/2 runs missiles | 14:43 |
| Macer | russia | 14:43 |
| merlin1991 | hehe half os, classic :D | 14:43 |
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| Venemo | hey | 14:46 |
| merlin1991 | hi | 14:46 |
| Venemo | hi everyone | 14:46 |
| Venemo | Estel_: ping | 14:46 |
| Venemo | so, I hear the council had quite a party? | 14:47 |
| Macer | merlin1991: heh | 14:48 |
| Venemo | is it true that they seized the community awards devices for themselves? | 14:48 |
| Macer | ecomstation = os/2 ;) | 14:48 |
| merlin1991 | Venemo: dunno how 5 guys could seize 25 devices | 14:48 |
| Macer | there is a council? | 14:48 |
| zeq_laptop | I seem to have broken my scratchbox. Is it normal for targets to get "mixed-up"; I have files from my "HOST" target in /lib along with my ARM libs...? | 14:48 |
| Macer | merlin1991: LOL!! | 14:48 |
| merlin1991 | that't would require quite some explaining :D | 14:48 |
| Macer | N950s? | 14:49 |
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| Venemo | well, 4 of the 5 guys applied for devices, and what surprise, they all got them too. at least this is what ZogG told me | 14:49 |
| Macer | N950s? | 14:49 |
| Venemo | I'm unsure about the details. | 14:50 |
| merlin1991 | so, uhm, we came to think of, yeah all in all it's better for the community if each and everyone of us gets 5 devices, you see, we're by the community and for the community so it has to be right? ... | 14:50 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 14:50 |
| zeq_laptop | LOL | 14:50 |
| Macer | heh | 14:50 |
| Macer | 25 N950s for 5 guys would be awful | 14:50 |
| Macer | total soviet takeover haha | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, if only Quim had passed them their working tools prior to declaring the rest as awards | 14:51 |
| Venemo | well, the thing is that it feels bad when you are the judge of something that you also applied in. | 14:51 |
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| merlin1991 | Macer: I think you'd enjoy http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1226087&postcount=283 aswell | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they wouldn't have to apply for award "competition" and no harsh words | 14:51 |
| Venemo | I don't personally have anything against the council, but please get my point. | 14:52 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05 must be one of them :) | 14:52 |
| zeq_laptop | Macer: 25 didn't go to 5 guys. There is dispute whether council members contributed to the community... | 14:52 |
| Macer | stalin's inner circle | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: ehß | 14:52 |
| Macer | while mother russia starves | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 14:52 |
| Macer | lol | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: elaborate! | 14:53 |
| Macer | merlin1991: LOL! | 14:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: merlin1991 i suggest you to read the thread | 14:54 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG_laptop: I read it, but at this point I'm only in for the comedy | 14:54 |
| Macer | so if 4 guys got them where did the other 21 go? | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: elaborate! | 14:54 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: ? | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [24.06.2012 13:52:10] <Macer> DocScrutinizer05 must be one of them :) | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: elaborate! | 14:55 |
| Venemo | Macer: you joking, or you really don't understand? | 14:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: the thing it's not funny | 14:55 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: you are part of the council that horded all the N950s from awards? | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 14:56 |
| Macer | heh | 14:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | Macer: i know council is hard work but is not to mocl in faces that they are council, especially when it's pasted only month and they were choosen 5/7. But even this is not a point, they might deserve the devices, but not the way it was done | 14:56 |
| Macer | there are no devices... the council just didn't want the community to know | 14:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | Macer: he is more reasonable than that =) | 14:56 |
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| Macer | ZogG_laptop: in soviet russia phones are bourgeoisie | 14:57 |
| Macer | so the govt keeps them | 14:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: it would be nice if you read at least parts where they answer us in thread (not personal attacks on each other with Arie and other guy)... it's quite amazing how they do that | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: please shut up! this whole topic is messed up enough without your nonsense | 14:57 |
| Macer | to protect the society | 14:57 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: link pls | 14:58 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: don't get mad at me. i didn't "steal" awards and devices from the communuity :) | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm stealing q from you if you continue | 14:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: it's a long post with a lot offtopic as well =) | 14:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85003 | 14:59 |
| Macer | q? | 14:59 |
| Macer | ZogG did have a point. seems wrong that the judges were allowed to choose amongst themselves | 15:00 |
| merlin1991 | hm whatabout "/topic $TOPIC | no more CA discussions, it's over" ? | 15:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i and few guys made nice point before but i would sugest to read from where itsnotabigtrucnk jumped in | 15:01 |
| merlin1991 | I mean honestly it's too late to complain | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's quite obviously absolutely wrong practice | 15:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | Macer: than speak up, they just used that most people got silent | 15:01 |
| Macer | oh no need... i am not a developer and quite honestly have contributed nothing to the maemo community tbh | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I say "quim should have given them their 5 devices that traditionally belong to council, to do their 'job'" | 15:02 |
| Macer | other than using it ;) | 15:02 |
| Macer | but yeah... judges who put their names in ... that seems a bit shady | 15:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: why would it be too late, i think if half community speak up, even if they do not go back, at least community would know how people are against. just now they think it's 3 people so they call us trolls and other use political oral skills to speak around problem with no straight answer. But we need people to see what actually happened there | 15:03 |
| Macer | especially for someone who worked endless nights making somthing and didnt get one | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG_laptop: no we need to get a proper plan for post nokia maemo.org so people one year in the future can actually care what happened here | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | s/care/read/ | 15:04 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: ZogG_laptop: no we need to get a proper plan for post nokia maemo.org so people one year in the future can actually read what happened here | 15:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | Macer: i think rzr itsnotabigtrunck or e-eyes deserve it more than self nominated people. as well as you can see for example e-eyes wanted n950 to support it with nitroid and there is no way he can buy one | 15:04 |
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| zeq_laptop | nitroid != maemo | 15:05 |
| NIN101 | but tbh, nitroid isn't maemo. | 15:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: with no present we can't have future. it's wrong to let it go. you let it go once, it would happen again. check Russia situation now =) even meetings are forbidden =P | 15:05 |
| vi__ | ZogG_laptop: nitroid is nothing but rouble, | 15:05 |
| vi__ | N950 nitroid support? Wtf for? | 15:05 |
| vi__ | It is barely supported by harmattan. | 15:05 |
| vi__ | You are whinging like a butthurt child. | 15:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | zeq_laptop: actually dual boot that give you opportunity to run android apps on n9, as well as parts of bme he reverse ingineered =) | 15:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi__: you see, the way you talk and i talk are different | 15:06 |
| vi__ | HOW could the council have won? They were told by quim to choose winners. | 15:06 |
| vi__ | ZogG_laptop: Yes, I don't hide my true meaning with platitudes. | 15:07 |
| vi__ | If they are not alowed to enter the competiton then they could not win. | 15:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi__: everyone even those who want to let it go see that it's wrong, even council knew when they decided to participate, but still they wanted phones more to give a f | 15:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | vi__: let's say they were allowed and they were there, and i think inception made a lot of more contribution last year =) | 15:08 |
| vi__ | ORLY? | 15:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | yes | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: please no offense | 15:09 |
| zeq_laptop | ZogG_laptop: it was bad politics for sure, but the council members certainly had merit. How can anything different be claimed? | 15:09 |
| zeq_laptop | The wouldn't be the council if they weren't recognised as community leaders! | 15:10 |
| Venemo | so anyway | 15:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | zeq_laptop: my point was politics, but if we got personal. i see 5 councils choosen from 7 for 1 month, and people who worked all last year on harmattan and helped a lot on #harmattan as well and TMO | 15:10 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: go and have a part in the coding competition | 15:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: it's not about me, i won in other competition, and i never told i deserve community award =) | 15:10 |
| zeq_laptop | anyway, I think I've managed to finish the linaro-4.7 scratchbox toolchain integration :) | 15:11 |
| Macer | hm | 15:11 |
| Macer | does ecoach REQUIRE a net connection to track gps speed/distance? | 15:12 |
| Macer | i don't have a sim in it and haven't gotten a new arm band for my lumia 900 | 15:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i don't feel doing anything after this... so last thing i'll do is wiki post i promissed woody and few guys and this is it ... =\ | 15:12 |
| merlin1991 | zeq_laptop: just watch out if you use qt with newer gcc, freemangordon ran into some bumps, but I don't remember the fix anymore | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a) council *always* needs devices, otherwise they don't know their core topic b) sure throwing their hats into a competition they are the judges as well waqs a terribly bad practice c) NOW we can't do ANYTHING about it, as the incorrect behaviour already happened, damage done. d) when council acts stupid, it is useless to discuss merits and criteria of the award selection, we need to discuss why council didn't ask for **guidance** | 15:13 |
| Macer | guess i will find out by myseld | 15:14 |
| zeq_laptop | merlin1991: I'll be sure to test it before letting it out in the wild :) | 15:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: they do ask in maillist, after there were few people on TMO telling it's not right. By telling that reasonable people on maillist and not at TMO. And i see the problem if you let it happen once it would happen more times | 15:15 |
| zeq_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: as I said, bad politics | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council acted idiotic | 15:16 |
| zeq_laptop | one might even wonder whether the whole point of the "competition" was to sow seeds of division | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it feels like | 15:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | /s/they/as you ignore me i'll send tru bot =). They/ | 15:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | /s/they/as you ignore me i'll send tru bot They/ | 15:16 |
| NIN101 | " council *always* needs devices, otherwise they don't know their core topic " well, maybe N9 for all of them, or max 1. would have been a better choise, as there not more than 500 people with an N950, iirc. But meh. | 15:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm doesn't matter than | 15:17 |
| Venemo | damm. the council should've asked the community: "hey, is it a problem if we choose ourselves too?" the community would have voted: "no problem, sure" + everyone would've been happy that they're so honest and everything. | 15:17 |
| Venemo | end result would be the same, except we wouldn't bash them now | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: debatable, yes | 15:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: they mentioned it btw, but noone follows everything | 15:18 |
| vi__ | Venemo: did you read the mailing list? | 15:18 |
| Venemo | I used to, but unsubscribed about a year ago due to it being kinda boring and unconstructive | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo: they should have told community "there Quim gives us 25 devices. 5 we'll keep for reference purposes at council, and use them. 10 we keep in a pool to hand out in case of "emergencies" to projects (e.g. when a device breaks and project gets stuck without replacement). The rest will be handed out to users we feel have merits and deserve it" period | 15:20 |
| Venemo | that would've been good too. | 15:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: i think nokia decided what the award would be for | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think so | 15:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | i need to go now. =\ | 15:21 |
| Venemo | anyway, this whole shit is exactly the reason why I didn't even care about community awards. | 15:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: few of awards are managed by qgil | 15:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: that's why it's important as less devs would care about community =\ | 15:22 |
| Venemo | I didn't participate in the community because I wanted a device. so anyway, that's ok with me. | 15:22 |
| vi__ | Venemo: well a lot of people do and now they are saying some really shitty things on the forum. | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not the award is the problem, the extremely stupidly acting council is | 15:22 |
| Venemo | yup. | 15:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | that was my point before they started to attack personally | 15:23 |
| Venemo | so anyway | 15:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | but they choosed to answer those people who personal attack them =) | 15:23 |
| Venemo | I've read 13 pages of blahblah in that topic, and it has no use at all | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I have no objections whatsoever against council keeping devices - they need them. Alas they decided to put their merit on the benchmark, instead of plain stating "we need them, we keep them" | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo: exactly | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the whole thread is exacerbating things | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it makes _everybody_ feel bad | 15:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | triggers name calling, accusations, shouting and whining | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and every semi-sane community member turning his back on the thread and possibly the community at large, while silently thinking "WTF?! ¼²¼€¹€@" | 15:26 |
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| Macer | well | 15:28 |
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| Macer | let me see if ecoach can work without a data connection | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | instead of asking "the old guys" i.e. the ex-council which are all around and more than willing to help, the recent council in their hybris decided to invent all new, enforce new rules, and do things their very own new stupid way | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the result they get for that, and well it doesn't come by surprise | 15:29 |
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| Tofe | DocScrutinizer05: that would be quite a nice way to organize it next time | 15:29 |
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| _PanzerSajt | Hy! Can somebody explain me how TV-out works in N900? I'm interested in the kernel level and sysfs level. I'm asking this because I would like to find out whether TV-works on N900 with Ubuntu installed on SD card. | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yay | 15:35 |
| vi__ | AN N900 QUESTION!!!! | 15:35 |
| _PanzerSajt | this channel stands for n900 question, isn't it? | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _PanzerSajt: I'm not sure, but _maybe_ javispedro knows a bit about it. alas he's dropping by here really rarely during the last 4+ weeks | 15:36 |
| Raimu | vi__: RING THE NINE BELLS!!! | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _PanzerSajt: yes, sure. You're absolutely right in asking this question here | 15:37 |
| _PanzerSajt | ok thanks ;) | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a quite demanding question though | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I have no clue | 15:37 |
| _PanzerSajt | yes I know | 15:37 |
| ShadowJK | _PanzerSajt; i suspect it wont be plug and play in ubuntu. It's also interesting to note that when playing videos it's setup differently, as the content displayed on tv doesn't match what's on n900 :) | 15:38 |
| _PanzerSajt | I have already found some clues that it might work "out of the box" | 15:38 |
| Venemo | why don't you just try? | 15:38 |
| _PanzerSajt | I was trying | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, there are separate framebuffers and resolutions for TVout and LCD | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I think some worker-thread in kernel that does the scaling/copying | 15:39 |
| _PanzerSajt | so what I have found out already: | 15:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | raster knows a friggin lot about it, alas he's really not interested in N900 anymore | 15:40 |
| _PanzerSajt | under ubuntu: /sys/devices/omapdss/ and there are two displays | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, 2 displays | 15:41 |
| _PanzerSajt | display 0 is enabled (lcd) | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 "framebuffers" | 15:41 |
| _PanzerSajt | but when I do the same to display1 nothing seems to happen | 15:41 |
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| _PanzerSajt | there's a file called "enabled" | 15:42 |
| _PanzerSajt | and inside it show 1 for display0 | 15:43 |
| _PanzerSajt | and nothing for display1 | 15:43 |
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| ShadowJK | For video atleast, the scaling and conversion is all hw | 15:44 |
| _PanzerSajt | DSP is working | 15:44 |
| _PanzerSajt | but the sgx530 isn't | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/ | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bus display0 display1 driver manager0 manager1 microamps_requested_vdac modalias overlay0 overlay1 overlay2 power subsystem uevent | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/ | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bus driver graphics:fb0 graphics:fb1 graphics:fb2 modalias power subsystem uevent | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: yes, sure it's scaling and copying with the DSP/gfx-accel | 15:48 |
| Venemo | ok, here's my 20 cents on this mess. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1226693&postcount=387 now let's move on. | 15:48 |
| ShadowJK | dss | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | _PanzerSajt: I suggest you repeat your question in a few (6?) hours. might actually be the wrong time for TZ like US | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen raster | 15:52 |
| infobot | raster <~raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 92d 9h 4m 35s ago, saying: 'open is just a bonus'. | 15:52 |
| Venemo | :) | 15:53 |
| _PanzerSajt | DocScrutinizer, thanks for the advise | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I however know he's online. He _might_ be willing to help when you query him with generic OMAP3430 related question, esp when you refer to ubuntu and put no emphasis on N900 (there's beagleboard as well, with omap - btw also a channel where you could ask) | 15:54 |
| Macer | jesus | 15:55 |
| Macer | lumia 900 gps lock... 5s | 15:55 |
| Macer | n900 gps lock... never | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pffff | 15:55 |
| Macer | lol | 15:55 |
| Macer | i have to go buy a new armband for my lumia 900.. the n900 just doesn't seem to fair very well without a sim for running | 15:55 |
| _PanzerSajt | DocScrutinizer, thanks for pointing out wider product range instead of only one device | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 15:56 |
| Macer | can't work out with the n900 | 15:57 |
| Macer | well... running at least.. i should buy a heart rate monitor while i'm at it | 15:57 |
| Gh0sty | why not | 15:57 |
| Gh0sty | its heavy enough for lifting weights :p | 15:57 |
| Macer | heh | 15:58 |
| Macer | i need it for running | 15:58 |
| Macer | i just took the damn thing outside for 20mins and it never locked for the gps | 15:58 |
| Macer | i just gave up.. i'm going to wait for the stores to open to see if i can find an armband that works with my lumia 900 | 15:58 |
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| _PanzerSajt | Regarding GPS. Has anyone ever tried to attach a GPS antenna to the mainboard? http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#External_antennas | 16:01 |
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| _PanzerSajt | DocScrutinizer, can you provide me some more details about / sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics:fb0; fb1; fb2 ? | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | _PanzerSajt: I *think* this should work | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (attach external GPS ant) | 16:06 |
| _PanzerSajt | that was my thought also | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | _PanzerSajt: the question is if you can reach the flimsy receptacle, and if you actually want to test the specified 100 mating rounds | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc Estel_is working on a new housing, with connector extenders and proper external receptacles. Maybe ask him | 16:09 |
| Venemo | new housing for what? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900 | 16:09 |
| Venemo | lol, for what purpose? | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me, ask him | 16:10 |
| Venemo | Estel_, you've been asked | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo: check his tmo 'signature' | 16:11 |
| Venemo | I'd be interested in a thinner housing, without keyboard, and attaching a capacitive touchscreen | 16:14 |
| Venemo | lol | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get a n9! | 16:14 |
| Venemo | I have one. | 16:14 |
| Venemo | but that way, I could use the N900 for hacking around with mer & nemo | 16:15 |
| FIQ|n900 | argh :( | 16:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | Venemo: I want the opposite for something like a N9 | 16:16 |
| Venemo | well, I still could, but it's inconvenient to use the resistive screen anyway. | 16:16 |
| Venemo | FIQ|n900, they have the same hw basically. | 16:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | that's why I haven't bought it (no keyboard..) | 16:16 |
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| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: http://www.snewbury.org.uk/maemo/linaro-4.7-2012.06-fremantle-arm7.tar.bz2 | 16:29 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; in Helsinki yesterday | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 17:01 |
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| hiemanshu | ~usbfix | 17:22 |
| infobot | rumour has it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 17:22 |
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| MohammadAG | Two N950 fatalities? | 17:25 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: wrong channel :P | 17:26 |
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| MohammadAG | hiemanshu: Oh | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu: Which channel? | 17:29 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: mhd | 17:30 |
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| Macer | heh | 17:46 |
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| Macer | damn the blonde in game of thrones is hot | 18:06 |
| Macer | and i'm not a very big fan of blondes | 18:06 |
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| merlin1991 | hm does rsync have any implementation like dd to listen for some signal to give me stats about the transfer? | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | -v, --verbose | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | This option increases the amount of information you are given during the transfer. By default, rsync works | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | silently. A single -v will give you information about what files are being transferred and a brief summary | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | at the end. Two -v options will give you information on what files are being skipped and slightly more | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | information at the end. More than two -v options should only be used if you are debugging rsync. | 18:29 |
| merlin1991 | I was looking for some X mb to transfer left | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | rsync --progress | 18:31 |
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| merlin1991 | hehe dl with 3,9 MiB/s from my server :D | 18:33 |
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| Raimu | vi__: Hey -- I was to ask, are you still using compcache on n900? What size/params did you settle on? | 19:09 |
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| zeq | Further to the discussion a couple of days ago, I've been researching the different ABIs/ISAs on the Cortex-a8. It turns out the performance difference between float-abi=softfp and float-abi=hard is around 40%, with a further 2x-3x(!) improvement of NEON over VFPv3. An obvious downside of float-abi=hard, is to support it we'd need a multilib glibc build, interesting though, none the less. | 19:42 |
| zeq | http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort/ | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | zeq: well, it's expected for softfp to be slow | 19:44 |
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| zeq | softfp is a real FP ABI | 19:45 |
| jacekowski | yeah, but with slow calling conventions | 19:45 |
| zeq | yes | 19:45 |
| jacekowski | and ability to fall back in case of lack of fp | 19:45 |
| zeq | in theory | 19:46 |
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| jacekowski | but i don't see how neon would be faster than vfp3 | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | unless you are doing something that can be optimised for simd | 19:46 |
| zeq | cortex-a8 doesn't have a real vfp3 | 19:46 |
| zeq | just a cut down version, NEON being the primary FPU | 19:47 |
| jacekowski | well, i could understand a bit of difference | 19:47 |
| jacekowski | but not 2-3x | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | what is your benchmark exactly | 19:48 |
| zeq | Some devices such as the ARM Cortex-A8 have a cut-down VFPLite module instead of a full VFP module, and require roughly ten times more clock cycles per float operation.[32] Other floating-point and/or SIMD coprocessors found in ARM-based processors include FPA, FPE, iwMMXt. They provide some of the same functionality as VFP but are not opcode-compatible with it. | 19:49 |
| zeq | from wikipedia | 19:49 |
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| zeq | Genesi USA, Inc. did a proof-of-concept rebuild of Ubuntu karmic (9.10)'s armel port with the hard-floating. They noticed important wins (in the order of 40% performance improvement) in floating-point heavy applications/libraries such as mesa, with a Cortex-A8 CPU. | 19:50 |
| zeq | from the debian link ^^^ | 19:50 |
| zeq | It is also possible to use NEON instructions for regular scalar floating point code, and this can give significant (2-3x) speedup on Cortex-A8 hardware. However GCC does not currently implement this, and it is not always applicable as NEON instructions are not fully IEEE compliant. | 19:51 |
| jacekowski | hmm, if they are saying that vfplite is 10x slower than vfpv3 | 19:51 |
| jacekowski | and you are saying that vfplite is 3x slower than neon | 19:51 |
| jacekowski | then vfpv3 has to be 3x faster than neon | 19:51 |
| jacekowski | well but question remains | 19:52 |
| zeq | that's the thing about benchmarks | 19:52 |
| jacekowski | is it really important thing | 19:52 |
| jacekowski | how many things use fp | 19:52 |
| jacekowski | on real phone | 19:52 |
| zeq | qt ;) | 19:52 |
| jacekowski | if you have hardware 3d | 19:52 |
| jacekowski | then mesa argument is gone | 19:52 |
| zeq | hildon-desktop is pretty heavy on FP, though as DocScrutinizer05 says, it probably shouldn't be. | 19:53 |
| jacekowski | saying that | 19:54 |
| zeq | html rendering engines | 19:54 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 19:54 |
| jacekowski | i've got to go | 19:54 |
| zeq | dunno why though | 19:54 |
| zeq | ok jacekowski, bye | 19:54 |
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| Raimu | zeq: Interesting. | 19:58 |
| zeq | Raimu: it'd be a major ABI break to support it | 20:01 |
| zeq | Raimu: it'd be a major ABI break to support it | 20:01 |
| Raimu | zeq: Yes, I can see that. | 20:03 |
| zeq | it's not at all viable to have everything multi-lib | 20:03 |
| zeq | not on an N900 anyway! | 20:03 |
| Raimu | Yep. Hence "interesting", not "dancing the jig in the rain". | 20:03 |
| zeq | shame Nokia didn't make it float=hard from the start | 20:04 |
| Raimu | Probably wasn't thought viable then. | 20:05 |
| zeq | maybe it was for compatibilty for 3rd-party packages | 20:06 |
| zeq | such as the flashplayer | 20:06 |
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| ShadowJK | I think meego was one of the first to move to hardfp abi | 20:20 |
| vi__ | ~abi | 20:21 |
| infobot | [abi] Application Binary Interface | 20:21 |
| vi__ | ~api | 20:21 |
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| ShadowJK | I think the biggest hw constraint on N900 is the ram size, so multilib type things are pushing it in that area | 20:23 |
| ShadowJK | and also having both gtk and qt is already pushing ram :/ | 20:23 |
| zeq | for maemo hardfloat is a non-starter. it would work with easy-debain though. | 20:24 |
| Estel_ | yea, but of course, best solution, would be to have device with more ram ;) | 20:24 |
| zeq | thumb is helping a lot with RAM | 20:24 |
| Raimu | vi_: API is app programming interface. | 20:24 |
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| zeq | mer should be quite a bit quicker than maemo then | 20:28 |
| zeq | there is an experimental Hildon-Desktop Mer | 20:29 |
| zeq | (for the N900) | 20:29 |
| zeq | anybody tried it? | 20:29 |
| Estel_ | Cordia, but it's going to be in beta stage around 2157, earlier | 20:29 |
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| Estel_ | AFAIk 2 people work on them, and are quite uninterested in getting more help :) | 20:30 |
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| Estel_ | sounds quite low for creating UI | 20:30 |
| ShadowJK | I think overall meegoce/nemo uses more ram :/ | 20:30 |
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| Estel_ | Nemo got many quierks, witohut any disrespect for people working on it | 20:30 |
| Estel_ | IMO, it's less usable than hildon not only by advancement, but by design | 20:31 |
| Estel_ | feel "dumbed down" | 20:31 |
| zeq | I've not tried it | 20:31 |
| Sc0rpius | I agree | 20:31 |
| zeq | only got the one devic | 20:31 |
| Sc0rpius | Nemo is not good. | 20:31 |
| rzr | Estel_, u're trying to make friends :) | 20:31 |
| zeq | s/devic/device/ | 20:31 |
| infobot | zeq meant: only got the one device | 20:31 |
| Estel_ | well, Mer hardware adaptation for N900 is better than for N9/N950 (!), but user itnerface is optimised for multitouch (!!) | 20:31 |
| Sc0rpius | yes | 20:31 |
| Sc0rpius | the browser is unusable | 20:31 |
| Estel_ | rzr, whatever You mean? | 20:31 |
| Sc0rpius | you can't zoom | 20:31 |
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| Sc0rpius | since you don't have multitouch | 20:31 |
| Estel_ | Honestly, Nermo feels like smartphone Ui, not mobile computer one. I.e "symbianish" | 20:32 |
| rzr | nothing personnal but the way you're kinda agressive sometimes :) | 20:32 |
| rzr | well nevermind , I was just teasing you | 20:32 |
| Estel_ | rzr, I preffer word "sharp to the merit" ;) | 20:32 |
| Estel_ | I know, noticed :DF | 20:33 |
| rzr | no problem | 20:33 |
| Estel_ | ~tease | 20:33 |
| rzr | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/06/24/1659215/rim-considers-spinning-off-handset-business-from-messaging?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | 20:37 |
| zeq | http://www.snewbury.org.uk/maemo/linaro-4.7-2012.06-fremantle-armv7a.tar.bz2 | 20:38 |
| rzr | Estel_, are u in contact w/ xfade for obs ? | 20:38 |
| Estel_ | yes. | 20:38 |
| rzr | can you estimate when meego's obs will be shut off ? | 20:39 |
| rzr | having a obs up and running for m5 would be awsome | 20:41 |
| rzr | but this will cost lot of time and/or money | 20:41 |
| rzr | i know someone who might be interested setting up a build farm | 20:41 |
| hiemanshu | zeq: thats the toolchain? | 20:41 |
| zeq | yep, that's what I've been working on | 20:43 |
| zeq | testers welcome | 20:47 |
| Macer | continuing game of thrones | 20:49 |
| Macer | episode 5! wooo! | 20:49 |
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| jacekowski | rzr: question is, do you need a farm | 21:14 |
| jacekowski | rzr: i mean, for most of maemo building needs a single decent server will suffice | 21:14 |
| jacekowski | maybe amazon cloud or something | 21:15 |
| merlin1991 | since we were nemo bashing earlier, i totally agree that it feels dumbed down, it essentially is mer core + qt apps, but no desktop widgets or anything integrated deeply into the system | 21:19 |
| merlin1991 | in other words iphone + concurrent processes | 21:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: does it run on n9? | 21:22 |
| merlin1991 | afaik it does | 21:22 |
| merlin1991 | I only ever used it on the n900 though | 21:22 |
| merlin1991 | but as far as I understand it the only difference is orientation / resolution for the whole ui experience | 21:22 |
| Estel_ | + N9/N950 isn't fully supported by Mer (underlying deeper than Nemo, which is UI), at hardware adaptation level | 21:25 |
| Estel_ | ironically, N900 is more supporte dby Mer than any device existing, yet, support from Nemo - aka UI - is worse | 21:25 |
| Estel_ | I've been talking with Stskeeps about it, and I msut say that You can hardly blame Mer or Nemoi devs for that | 21:26 |
| Estel_ | it's about Nokia ADHD and Intel betrayal, to say at least ;) | 21:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | because mer was reborn between maemo5 and meego =) | 21:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | and than after meego got dumped | 21:28 |
| Estel_ | not exactly, but it's off-topic anyway, so I won't elaborate | 21:29 |
| Estel_ | fact is, that now we have N9/N950 supported quite well, yet not fully, and supported by Nemo (despite being dumbed down interface) | 21:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | how is it offtopic? but whatever you want | 21:29 |
| Estel_ | and N900 supported incredibly at hardware level, yet painful to use with Nemo | 21:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | as well as maemo5 and n900 have more open parts than harmattan and n9 and aegis =) | 21:30 |
| Estel_ | no offense ZogG, dont ruffle feathers. i was just saying that whole story about why it's like that is tooo long to re-tell here | 21:30 |
| Estel_ | ZogG, of course, but Maemo and Harmattan is quite unrelated to Mer | 21:30 |
| Estel_ | generally, Mer developers were able to work on Mer on working hours... | 21:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't care actually =) and no offense taken | 21:30 |
| Estel_ | until apocalypses appeared in Nokia | 21:30 |
| Estel_ | and Intel changed plans | 21:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | Estel_: as far as i know mer goes back in before n900 i think | 21:31 |
| Estel_ | due to this, we're probably never going to see full hardware adaptation of Mer to N9 and N950 | 21:31 |
| Estel_ | sure, but it was quite different project | 21:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | and than again it was left and than developed again few times | 21:31 |
| Estel_ | only once ;) | 21:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah i know the current one has a lot of meego AFAIK | 21:31 |
| Estel_ | well, technically, Mer is better than Maemo and it should work better. The problem is about higher level things, and overall, situation | 21:32 |
| Estel_ | many people left after frebruary, etc | 21:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | the problem is all about man power and patents =\ | 21:32 |
| Estel_ | brb, goin to buy some food ;) | 21:32 |
| Estel_ | less patents, more man power :P (although, patents are PITa in many other cases) | 21:33 |
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| ZogG_laptop | patents is like communism, it's good idea, but never comes true | 21:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | as people are still people | 21:34 |
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| freemangordon | wazzup guys | 21:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | guly: nice pic on your site =) | 21:54 |
| freemangordon | zeq: you've build gcc 4.7.1? | 21:55 |
| zeq | yep | 21:56 |
| freemangordon | nice | 21:56 |
| freemangordon | does it work? | 21:56 |
| freemangordon | in CB | 21:56 |
| zeq | http://www.snewbury.org.uk/maemo/linaro-4.7-2012.06-fremantle-armv7a.tar.bz2 | 21:56 |
| freemangordon | in SB | 21:56 |
| zeq | yes | 21:56 |
| zeq | better than the 4.6 build | 21:56 |
| freemangordon | aah, so I noeed to follow the same procedure? | 21:56 |
| freemangordon | better as in? | 21:56 |
| zeq | there were some problems with the 4.6 toolchain sb integration | 21:57 |
| guly | ZogG_laptop: self accredited artist :)) | 21:57 |
| zeq | in particular with fakeroot | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | zeq: aah, yes | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | I am glad you are more knowledeable than me on toolchain builds, I done it by trial/error method :D | 21:58 |
| zeq | :) | 21:59 |
| zeq | can't stay around though... football | 21:59 |
| freemangordon | ok | 21:59 |
| zeq | freemangordon: one other thing, there was/is a problem on garage with the git repo being stuck, they're working on it. | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | :( | 22:01 |
| zeq | I think i broke it attempting to push mozilla :/ | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | maybe after all it is better to use gitorious/github, garage will disappear in a couple of months | 22:02 |
| zeq | has that been announced? | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | it is a part of maemo.org | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | yes, it has been announced | 22:03 |
| freemangordon | in one way or another | 22:03 |
| zeq | another thing there needs to be a plan for | 22:03 |
| freemangordon | zeq: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85061 | 22:03 |
| zeq | I'll set it up on github later | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | ok. I'll make an account on github later | 22:05 |
| zeq | bbl | 22:06 |
| freemangordon | bb | 22:06 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: https://github.com/sjnewbury/mozilla-central.git | 23:40 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: I forked an exisiting github mirror of mozilla-central. Nice and easy :) | 23:43 |
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| Macer | why is the queen such a bitch to the princess? lol | 23:47 |
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