IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-06-21

zeq_laptopfreemangordon: what's your fakeroot version, maybe I have the wrong one somehow?00:01
zeq_laptopfakeroot --version00:02
zeq_laptopfakeroot version 1.14.4 (scratchbox)00:02
zeq_laptopI installed it from the gcc-4.6/thumb compiler packages00:03
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: I'm tying "make deb" directly in the build dir00:05
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zeq_laptopfrom debian wiki: Error Messages00:08
zeq_laptopfakeroot: nested operation not yet supported00:08
zeq_laptopThis error occurs if an attempt is made to run fakeroot from within a fakeroot environment. The error may occur during an attempt to build project code from within a fakeroot environment and has been observed to occur when project builder tools are being used (such as debuild).00:08
zeq_laptophow did this ever work? I suppose the package is normally built without -rfakeroot00:10
zeq_laptopIs there a standard method to support packaging projects with a deb make target?00:12
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ViltzuNow that Maemo SDK Virtual Image is up in virtualbox. :)00:13
zeq_laptopokay, that worked00:15
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: http://
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zeq_laptopno idea if it works though ;)00:22
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: you are the men, downloading...00:30
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: the shit works, you need newer (the one that comes with the compiler, strip it), and export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/fennec-14.0:/opt/qtm12/lib00:41
freemangordonzeq_laptop: the screen orientation is incorrect though, might be a bug in libqtm00:41
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zeq_laptopit could be the qtm version00:46
zeq_laptopI had to fix a few things to get it to build so I don't know how the version in the repos was built00:47
freemangordonzeq_laptop: what I have here is the one from the repos00:47
freemangordonbut it is rotated 90 deg00:47
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zeq_laptopI can put my libqtm on my server00:47
freemangordonveryy funny :D, but otherwise it is working00:48
zeq_laptopI haven't got it working here yet though due to the fact fennec7 wouldn't remove cleanly, now the new version won't either?!?00:48
zeq_laptopah well00:48
freemangordonwouldn't remove? why is that?00:49
freemangordonBTW was it
freemangordonthe benchmark site00:49
ViltzuNow, how I'm supposed to cross-compile allegro with this scratchbox thing?00:50
ViltzuNormally to compile it its just cmake and then make :P00:50
zeq_laptoppre-removal script returned error00:51
zeq_laptopsame place as fennec deb00:52
zeq_laptopfreemangordon: I need to get to bed now, gf complaining ;)00:53
zeq_laptopnight all00:53
freemangordonnight :)00:53
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freemangordonsunspider result for fennec-14b7 : 5670.5 ms ( device OC to 805 MHz)01:01
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Estel_:) I think it's quite happy day, for many01:15
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Estel_Congratulations for all CA winners!01:17
freemangordonEstel_: 10x01:17
ViltzuOkay I have compiled allegro in scratchbox. Now what :u01:17
freemangordoncommunity awards01:17
freemangordonViltzu: run it :P01:17
Estel_allegro ma non tropo?01:17
freemangordon(whatever allegro is)01:18
Estel_, probably01:18
Estel_or not01:18
ViltzuAnd this is.. umm humm..01:19
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Estel_looks like lua error, to me01:19
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ViltzuWhen I try to run some demos or examples that came with allegro it says01:22
Viltzusvn co allegro-5.001:22
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Viltzunot that01:22
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Viltzu"X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6002: Name or service not known"01:22
ViltzuWhen target it arm. when x86 that doesn't come01:22
ViltzuBut I wonder, how I'm supposed to get this to my n900 then?01:23
freemangordonViltzu: do make install --targed-dir (whatever you want it placed) most probably /opt/allegro01:23
Viltzumm.... In scratchbox?01:24
freemangordonnot sure though it is exactly --target-dir, so google a bit01:24
freemangordoncould be INSTALL_DIR variable01:24
freemangordonyep in SB01:24
freemangordonthat will copy all the necesarry file into that dir01:25
freemangordonthen copy that on your n90001:25
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freemangordonViltzu: make DESTDIR=<your_prefix> install01:26
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ViltzuAnd where I copy this on my N900?01:28
ViltzuJust somewhere or somewhere spefic?01:28
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freemangordonthe same place you set your DESTDIR to be01:29
freemangordonuse DESTDIR=/opt/allegro01:30
Viltzuoh okay.01:30
freemangordonthe copy /opt/allegro to n900 under /opt/allegro :)01:30
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freemangordonok, sunspider benchmark final results: fennec - 5670.5 ms, microb 24566 ms (device OC to 805 for both benchmarks) , my desktop-820 ms (AMD Phenom II 3.2 GHz)01:32
freemangordondamn, fennec jscript is FAST01:32
nox-does fennec still `eat ram like candy'?01:33
cehtehbut the rest is dead slow  and its a memory hog01:33
freemangordonlemme check01:33
cehtehif i want to do fast computing i use C not javascript :P01:34
cehtehfor websites i'd like a browser which shows me the pages as fast as possible01:34
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freemangordonwith opened it uses 23.3 % memory01:35
freemangordonand it is fast, no comparison with the one in the repos01:35
freemangordonmaybe you miss some history, I am talking about version 14b7, thumb2 compiled and neon optimized01:36
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nox-so thumb works now?01:37
freemangordonso far01:37
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nox-with nokia repo or does it need something special?01:37
freemangordonno reports for crashes till now, not sure how many are using cssu-thumb, maybe about 10 people01:38
freemangordonmore than special :D01:38
nox-hah ok01:38
freemangordona kernel, new libstdc++, new compiler, etc,etc01:38
nox-oh well...01:38
RaimuWhat's this, someone compiled Fennec 14?01:38
Viltzuouch umh.01:39
freemangordonRaimu: read the backscroll, it was zeq_laptop01:39
RaimuYeah, getting there.01:39
Raimuzeq_laptop: Ooh, congrats!01:39
ViltzuHow I'm exactly going to copy to N900 /opt/. Because if I first copy to N900 in storage mode to that ntfs partition or whatever it is, symlinks will disappear01:40
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freemangordonuse ssh01:40
peetahfreemangordon: I thought the fennec >8.0 issue was a change in the javascript engine that requires CPU instructions unavailable on N900 ?01:40
freemangordonViltzu: WinScp if you're under windows01:40
peetahfreemangordon: how thumb2 can solve this ?01:40
freemangordonpeetah: NFC, I have it in front of me01:41
freemangordonthumb2 are special instructions01:41
freemangordonavailable on n900 but broken without workarounds in kernel01:41
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peetahfreemangordon: yes, I read your TMO thread explaining this, but I was talking of requirement for floating point related instructions that the N900 cpu cannot provide01:43
peetahfrom what I understand, thumb2 provides the same instructions in a shorter form, am I right ?01:43
peetah*same as ARM01:44
freemangordonNEON? where did you get that n900 CPU does not support then01:44
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freemangordonit is perfectly supported (neon that is)01:44
freemangordonyeah, something like that01:44
ViltzuAnd now that I have the allegro dir in /opt/ on my n900?01:45
peetahread something about it in the fennec thread01:45
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freemangordonViltzu: open xterm, root, cd to /opt/allegro and do chmod -R 755 *01:46
freemangordonafter that exit and ./allegro (if that is the name of the executable)01:47
Viltzuexit what?01:47
freemangordonif you have some shared libs in your directory, you should do "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/allegro/path_to_lib"01:48
peetahfreemangordon: => "In 9.0 the JIT was finally changed, but also was disabled in non SSE2 cpu's (at least in X86). In late 12.0 builds it has been reenabled again, but all FPU operations are done in slow C++ code in non SSE2 cpu's, resulting in a 25% slowdown."01:48
freemangordonexit, so you won't run it as root01:48
Viltzuah ok01:48
freemangordonpeetah: that is 1401:48
Viltzuwell it says not found?01:49
freemangordonand it has --with-neon switch01:49
freemangordonViltzu: on which command01:49
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ViltzuAnd I'm not wondering why doesn't it found..01:49
ViltzuWhy would it?01:49
Viltzuoh wait, should I do it in /opt/? :>01:49
freemangordonman, do a ls -al and check how is the executable called01:49
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freemangordonI am just guessing, NFC what allegro is01:50
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ViltzuMe neither. But I think it's more like a library ;)01:50
RaimuOpera on n900 gives 4340ms in the test.01:51
ViltzuOkay it is a library.01:51
ViltzuSo it's probably useless to try to excute it01:51
RaimuConsidering Opera tends to be the quick-and-dirty browser, that's VERY well from Fennec.01:51
freemangordonRaimu: hmm, let me check the PhoneME opera01:52
peetahok, so that gives me the guts to test cssu-thumb2 !01:52
merlin1991chem|st: err why should I abandon my n900? :D01:52
Estel_damn, I must go to sleep, It took me 30 minutes to get that freemangordon's "10x" was "thanks"01:53
RaimuEstel :)01:53
Estel_either I'm getting too old for l33t, or I'm in love :P01:53
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Estel_now with You, Raimu :P01:53
freemangordonmerlin1991: aren't you supposed to sleep :P. you have an exam tomorrow01:53
infobotEstel_ meant: not with You, Raimu :P01:54
RaimuBut Estel! <3 <301:54
merlin1991never heard of emergency late night sessions? :D01:54
merlin1991and the exam is 18:00-20:00 :/01:54
peetahjust one question: can thumb2-compiled binaries and ARM-compiled binaries coexists, or should I wait for all the softwares currently installed in my N900 to be recompiled for thumb2 ?01:54
freemangordonaah, ok then01:54
freemangordonpeetah: they can01:54
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: sent!01:54
Estel_freemangordon,  sorry for not testing CSSU-thumb yet01:54
freemangordononly those packages that are int thumb repo are thumb-compiled, everything else is arm01:55
Estel_idiot who send me replacement motherrboard, actually did it to outdated address01:55
Estel_400 km away01:55
Estel_= I don't have guts to try it on device, that will get backuped and transferred to new motherboard soon, currently, having no usb, charging chip and camera01:56
freemangordonhmm, PhoneMe opera mini does not like sunspider test01:56
freemangordonRaimu: what was that html compliance site?01:56
Estel_freemangordon,  someone is making chromium port for N900, again?01:56
Raimufreemangordon: The benchmarker?01:57
freemangordonor was it CSS2 compliance?01:57
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RaimuI dunno what you mean -- ?01:57
freemangordonRaimu: nah, the one with coloured squares01:58
freemangordonacid3 test01:58
freemangordon99/100, not bad02:00
Estel_microb result02:00
Estel_I wonder what they complain about02:00
freemangordonsomething like 80/100 or so02:00
Estel_I've tested it now in microB02:00
freemangordonaah, ok02:00
Estel_was the result02:00
freemangordonhmm, if we can upgrade microb with that gecko, it will be a killer02:01
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freemangordonthat should be relatively easy if there is an option for gkt build , not qt02:02
RaimuOpera scores 100/10002:03
RaimuBut I never tested microB. 99/100 is very adept.02:04
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vi__Woody14619: ping02:04
peetahI have KP50 bootimg package installed, and not the to-be-flashed KP50 package: will cssu-thumb2 try to flash a new kernel or will it smartly add a bootimg kernel so that I can u-boot-update-bootmenu it ?02:04
freemangordonpeetah: just have in mind there is easy no rollback from thumb , only a reflash02:05
freemangordonpeetah: it will flash a new kernel, you'd better read again the thread02:05
peetahok I will thanks02:06
vi__gratz on your n950 FMG02:06
freemangordonsame to you :)02:06
Estel_freemangordon,  if You will upgrade microB backend...02:07
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freemangordonEstel_: yeah, thats the idea02:08
Estel_we will... we will... No idea, do something nice to You02:08
Estel_probably involving sexual assault ;)02:08
RaimuNow I see.02:08
freemangordonEstel_: no, thanks :D02:08
Estel_but honestly, it would be over, over, overkill02:08
freemangordonBut I don;t think I can make it alone02:09
freemangordonanywa, that is still far in the future02:09
* Estel_ nods02:09
Estel_btw, vi_, what are You going to do with N950? :)02:10
* freemangordon needs some sleep02:10
Estel_good night!02:10
merlin1991fsckd copy & paste02:10
Estel_no worries, everything seem to be circulating about CA today :P02:11
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ViltzuOkay so yes, allegro is a library.02:13
ViltzuAnd the files should probably be in /usr/local/lib02:13
Macern950s are collectables02:13
ViltzuI put them there02:13
ViltzuPrograms won't find them02:13
Viltzuwhat to do?02:14
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ViltzuIn scratchbox I can do make install in the build directory and it will do anything needed (throw the .so files and  such to /usr/local/lib/) and there it will work02:14
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ViltzuBut what I should now do in N900 so programs would find them.. uhm.02:15
ViltzuOkay googling.02:17
ViltzuOh yeah.02:18
DocScrutinizer05o/ oo02:19
Viltzuadded the path /usr/local/lib to and then ldconfig and now it works :>02:19
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DocScrutinizer05a miracle02:19
freemangordonmerlin1991: and why the hell he has to use fapman for system upgrade?02:19
freemangordonsome people learn it the hard way :(02:20
DocScrutinizer05ooh another fatality due to fapman? lol02:20
freemangordonwell, it is not dead, just crashing a little bit :D02:21
infobotmethinks o is OH!, or ~o means 'over' in context of write(1)02:21
freemangordonyeah, i am out too02:21
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ViltzuWhy I no can get to
Estel_freemangordon,  I'm stubborn and I use fapman for CSSU to, since... always :P no problems so far. Yea, I know the risk02:32
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merlin1991srly down again02:32
Estel_every version I check if everything works, will be first to report if really, really, one days something won't work via fapman and will via HAM02:32
merlin1991repos and talk still up though02:33
Estel_OK, I'm of to The Dreaming too02:34
Estel_see ya!02:34
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Viltzuscratchbox says "_X!!TransSocketINETConnect() can't get adress for localhost:6002: Name or service not known"02:45
Viltzu"failed to create display!"02:45
Viltzuwhen trying to run one of the examples of allegro02:45
Viltzuand N90002:45
Viltzu4 times "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"."02:46
Viltzuand then the "failed to create display!"02:46
ViltzuAny ideas why?02:46
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer; cool02:53
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r00t|homeViltzu: no localhost in /etc/hosts ? ;)03:00
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ViltzuThat fixes (altough not the "failed to create display" but yeah)03:03
Viltzuhow about that GLX missing when trying on N900?03:03
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r00t|homeViltzu: does the program require GL?03:06
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ViltzuFriend also got that with MeeGo on N9 and he fixed it but the failed to create display stays.03:08
ViltzuAltough that error is made by the program03:08
ViltzuSo yeah hmm03:08
Macerhow much to N9s cost nowadays03:08
Maceri figure they would be a bit cheap03:08
Viltzu16GB 300e03:08
Macerthat is not cheap :-P03:08
Maceri still wouldn't mind getting an e7 if they drop to like.... 200 or less03:09
ViltzuAnd thats at it cheapest price you probably can get as a new03:09
Viltzu430€ is more common in stores for N9.03:09
Macere7 is still in the 300s as well03:10
Macerwtf? :)03:10
Macerthe last of the symbians03:10
Maceri have a lumia 900 now... wp7 is actually good03:10
Macerbetter than expected03:11
ViltzuSo they say03:11
Macerstill miss my N900 tho :(03:11
Macerstupid sim reader stopped working correctly03:11
ViltzuTim Cook liked wp7 also.03:11
ViltzuI think he said it was better than iOS03:11
Maceri think it is just ios with tiles :-P03:11
Macerthe way it handles background apps is almost the exact same03:12
Viltzu(Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, if you didn't know)03:12
Macerie: it just doesn't run them03:12
r00t|homewho needs multitasking anyway... multitasking is so last century...03:12
Maceryou mean jobs isn't around anymore03:13
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Macerr00t|home: multitasking eats power i guess03:13
r00t|homejobs was switched into background03:14
Maceralthough my n900 seemed to use power just fine03:14
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Macerunless i was runnign something retarded.. like gcc on the battery :)03:14
r00t|homedepends on how urgently you need to get that code compiled...03:15
Maceri'm just saying. i never really had power issues with the n900 and it was a true multitasker03:16
Maceri still have it around here somewhere collecting dust03:16
Macerpoor thing :)03:16
Macerfirst n900 had the usb port rip off03:16
Macer2nd one had the sim reader fail03:16
Macer3rd one will never be bought heh03:16
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ViltzuWhere do you live?03:19
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Viltzulooks like in Finland03:19
ViltzuHow much do you ask?03:19
ViltzuMacer, ^03:20
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RiDme no ingres sory03:24
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Macersorry. i was installing a new cssu update on the n900 that i just turned on after 2 months heh03:42
Macerit does not seem to agree with the n900.. it is stuck at the dot screen03:42
Maceram i missing something here? :)03:42
ViltzuIn chicago for real ?03:42
Maceryes.. i am in chicago03:43
ViltzuOkay :<03:43
Macernot all n900 owners are in the eu ;)03:43
Maceralthough i don't consider myself much of an owner with my broken n900 :'(03:46
Macerdamn i love this thing.. either way i no longer have tmobile so even if i wanted to use it.. it would be edge.. and that just sucks03:46
wmaroneit does suck03:47
wmaronebut I've tolerated it for this long!03:47
Viltzublackholes suck.03:47
wmaronethough I did have the 2 weeks in Japan with 3.5G everywhere I went03:47
ViltzuThat's a fact.03:47
MacerViltzu: some might argue that black holes actually push you ;)03:53
Macergravity is more of a push03:53
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Macerwmarone: well.. the modem doesn't support the att freq03:54
Macerand i crossed over to the dark side after my n900 broke.. which was the only thing keeping me with crappy tmobile ;)03:54
wmaroneit supports the 2G frequency, which is what I've been on :/03:54
wmaronewell, 2.5G03:54
wmaronebut still, shit slow03:55
Macerwell.. i meant the att 3G one ;)03:55
Viltzu2.5G is EDGE.03:55
Maceri can't do slow data03:55
Viltzuallegro filled rootfs on N900.03:55
ViltzuBut but... I need to throw that shit there03:56
Viltzusymbolic links would do also but that means work03:56
Viltzuor a script.03:56
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Maceri use the n900 every once in a while on my wifi03:57
Macerit's good for using irc in bed ;)03:57
Maceror ssh03:57
Macer:-/ wish everything had xterm03:57
Macercygwin for wp7 heh03:57
ViltzuOkay looks like allegro wasn't the one using all the space..03:57
Viltzunow what is it...03:57
ViltzuHow will I find that out?03:58
Viltzuwith du maybe.03:59
Viltzu/usr/ is 375.3M04:00
Viltzu/usr/lib is 225MB.04:01
ViltzuThats a lot of libs.04:01
RiDtalking to yourself04:03
RiDthats nice04:03
RiDyou should see a doctor.04:03
Viltzugcc is taking lot of space :u04:04
ViltzuI just delete it. duh don't need it anymore04:04
* RiD looks at Viltzu, sadly.04:06
ViltzuOkay apt-get remove gcc won't remove those libs04:07
ViltzuJust manually remove?04:07
ViltzuWhy do I ask. There is just you.04:07
Macerapt-get autoremove might help if you have deps that aren't going away04:08
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ViltzuI was just going to try that04:09
ViltzuOh wow. It's going to remove a lot. And some of em looks like I might even need them. Oh well04:10
ViltzuOr are -dev just when compiling and dat?04:10
Macer-dev are usually deps related to development and shouldn't affect anything not that runs04:11
Macerat least in my experience04:11
Viltzuokay the /usr/lib/gcc stays after autoremove04:12
ViltzuI just rm it.04:12
ViltzuHope nothing breaks. Probably not, and I don't need gcc anymore so..04:12
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ViltzuOkay hmm something else is taking space also..04:15
Viltzubut well I have enough space already.04:17
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Viltzuasd autoremove did delete something that I still needed :|04:23
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jonwilI think my precious N900 is damaged.05:43
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DocScrutinizer05NEVER do autoremove08:30
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japhNEVER trust anything auto*09:11
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teotwakijaph: so I'm guessing you never use automatic doors? Cars? Buses? Elevators, computers, phones, etc...11:24
* japh crawls back to his comfortable corner, ashamed11:25
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japhvi_, do you want a n950?11:32
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vi_japh: yeah!11:40
japhwhere do you live?11:40
vi_Do you?11:40
vi_Wait, you just received it.11:40
japhok. it's yours if you think the shipping costs are worth it11:40
vi_From Sweden.11:40
vi_You just got raped for import tax?11:41
japhno. I live in sweden :)11:41
japhbut I'm really dissapointed11:41
vi_And why you do not want it?11:41
vi_So you are just giving it away?11:42
japhthe actual hardware seems great, and screen and casing is in perfect condition11:42
vi_Pro-tip: You could probably sell it for around 6-700 euro if you can find the right sucker.11:42
vi_However if you REALLY want to mail it to me...11:42
vi_Go right ahead!11:43
japhI'm not giving away hardware like this for free, unless of course you happen to have written software that I can't live without11:43
vi_chem|st: Guten morgen!11:43
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japhbut if you think I could get that much, I'll check the interwebs11:44
vi_japh: you options are either sell it on TMO or through ebay.11:44
vi_If you want a buyer though the best place is TMO.11:45
vi_Be warned, all the N950 came with NDAs and heavy penalties for anyone who sells them.  THey still technically belong to Nokia.11:45
vi_japh: do you speak german?11:48
chem|stvi_: guten morgen ;)11:49
japhvi_, sorry what's TMO?11:49
japhvi_, du bist ein kartoffelnpudding11:49
japh'not really'11:49
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vi_I have toffepudding?11:50
chem|stjaph: I'd take it and the promise to get in touch with columbus developer to port it ;)11:50
[DarkGUNMAN]morning vi_11:50
chem|stjaph: I do not want to own it btw, you'd get it back as you wish11:50
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japhI don't know what columbus is11:51
vi_chem|st: the game is up.  He knows it is worth at least 2000 euro now.11:51
chem|stvi_: not yet11:51
vi_chem|st: Is this a persons name or a company name?11:52
japhheh. yeah. I'll probably sell it then so I can buy more n900's. unless columbus is something totally kickass11:52
chem|stjaph: basically an offshore navigation in bare simple, the key about are the plugins, exporting gps to anything like wifi usb bt telnet...11:52
chem|stvi_: company anme11:52
vi_japh: it is, it provides blowjobs, etc.11:52
japhthose would be useful11:53
vi_chem|st: is it open source?11:53
chem|stjaph: I will get an N9 from CA and as soon as my GF buys a new one I will get it back from her and missing columbus is one of my showstoppers11:53
vi_is this the postal/zip code?11:53
chem|stvi_: yes11:54
vi_chem|st: ty11:54
chem|st68535 neckarhausen11:54
chem|stvi_: both yes zipcode aswell11:55
japhare people using their n9{,50}s with the default os..?11:55
chem|stjaph: the question is how come you have a n950 to sell when all devices are loaners11:55
japhwhat should I answer now11:56
chem|stjaph: you don't care?!11:56
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DocScrutinizer51the CA are gifts11:56
japhwell, chem|st... nokia doesn't care about us11:56
japhwhy would I care about them11:56
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: I did not find the answere on this but they are not out yet so current devices are not11:56
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: moo btw ;)11:57
DocScrutinizer51except the commercial ones11:57
chem|stcommercial ones ?11:57
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DocScrutinizer51launchpad company11:57
DocScrutinizer51"you're not allowd to sell for six(6) months"11:58
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: there is no info if they will be loaners or not and there is no info if the n9 is black-64GB or pink-16GB11:58
chem|stah ok11:58
DocScrutinizer51there've been probably way more DDP lauchpad N950 than community devel loaners12:00
DocScrutinizer51afk o/12:01
vi_chem|st: my mother used to say 'those that ask no questions get told no lies.'.12:04
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chem|stvi_: true12:08
[DarkGUNMAN]well... looks like i'll have to send my n900 away to get repaired. USB port is nearing its borking point12:09
vi_[DarkGUNMAN]: if you send it away, you will not get it back12:10
[DarkGUNMAN]sent a mail to sEKI to see if he can do it12:11
[DarkGUNMAN]the housing was easy enough, but heating the data pins is beyond me12:11
[DarkGUNMAN]way too small, and likely to melt the plastic inside if i rtry12:12
[DarkGUNMAN]otherwise it's looking likely i need a new port fitted12:15
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* zeq_laptop is going to be busy for a few hours, but will look into fixing the 90deg off rotation and keyboard issues on fennec14 later, when I have time.14:01
zeq_laptopkind of spoilt the 3rd person effect there ;)14:03
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Maceron my n900 now14:56
Macerbeen months heh14:56
Jadei still use mine daily as phone15:05
Jadebut when it breaks it's android time15:05
Macermy sim reader is messed up and i dont have tmob anymore anyways15:05
Macerandroid sucks heh15:05
Jadeif only n950 hadb een released to the public15:05
Macerwp7 is better15:05
Jadeyeah, i dont like it15:05
Jadebut what else is there to buy15:05
Jadenothing lives up to maemo15:05
Macersure doesnt :(15:05
Macerim in xterm on my phone15:06
Macerwhat can beat that?15:06
Macerwith xforwarding support15:06
Macerit was a sad day when nokia scrapped maemo15:06
hiemanshuand meego too15:10
Macerit comes in waves ;)15:10
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vldcnstcan someone please tell me, on the round 2mm nokia connectors, is the inner the negative?15:15
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Viltzuno glx for n900?15:18
teotwakivldcnst: The charging voltage is connected to the center pin and the ground is connected to the outer surface of the plug.15:20
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vldcnstteotwaki: thank you15:22
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zeq_laptopViltzu: N900 has egl/gles2 not glx/opengl.15:45
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zeq_laptopViltzu: You'll need to see if your app supports gles15:46
ViltzuWell it does support gles.15:47
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cehtehhi doc16:00
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DocScrutinizer51vldcnst: almost nothing has plus on sleeve today16:03
DocScrutinizer51no cars, no psu, no plug16:03
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zeq_laptopDocScrutinizer51: hi16:19
freemangordonzeq_laptop: did you see fennec sunspider result?16:23
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: Yes, I looked back through the backscroll16:44
zeq_laptopnot bad16:44
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zeq_laptopit's definitely a lot better than the other fennec builds, apart from the rotation and keyboard issues16:45
zeq_laptopre. the rotation, I dont' know if you noticed, but it accesses the acceleratometer through the QAccelerometer API16:47
merlin1991why do they all do that?16:47
merlin1991when there's h-d to take the grunt work?16:47
zeq_laptopdoesn't qtm have an h-d API?16:48
zeq_laptopI'll be digging though it later, got a few things I have to do today before I can get hacking16:49
freemangordonmerlin1991?: it is harmattan after all16:49
freemangordonzeq_laptop: better leave h-d/rotation stuff to me ;)16:49
zeq_laptopthat's the thing, qt-mobility does have Maemo5 support, but it's not well maintained16:49
zeq_laptopit probably has bugs16:50
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freemangordonmerlin1991: BTW it rotates on every direction, not only portrait/landskape16:50
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon:  I noticed that16:50
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zeq_laptopwhat happens on the N9?16:50
zeq_laptopdoes anybody have an n9/950 with fennec?16:51
merlin1991I have the firefox from ovi store16:51
zeq_laptopor even generally, on the N9 does it rotate every orientation?16:51
freemangordonthe same as meego/nemo, some applications behave in that way (90 degrees error) even with the latest builds16:51
zeq_laptopan API change?16:52
merlin1991on harm it rotates everywehre16:52
zeq_laptopassumes portrait is default?16:52
merlin1991resets to landscape / portrait after that16:52
merlin1991so inverted states revert again :D16:52
freemangordonWHAT? so it is upstream bug?16:52
zeq_laptopmerlin1991: what is default orientation on Harmattan?16:52
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zeq_laptopthat might be it then?16:53
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merlin1991it does regular landscape though16:53
merlin1991only is odd on inverted portrait and inverted landscape16:53
freemangordonzeq_laptop: there is no default on maemo5, it seems you spot it. let me try and eun it in portrait16:53
zeq_laptopexcept if the API doesn't account for the difference16:53
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zeq_laptopqtm bug?16:55
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zeq_laptopI'll try building libqtm from upstream git16:55
zeq_laptopbut it will have to be later as mentioned16:55
freemangordonyeah, ok16:56
zeq_laptopany idea about the keyboard, did you try it?16:56
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zeq_laptopI'm not sure what API it's using for input16:56
zeq_laptoparrow keys aren't mapped corrently fn doesn't "stick" and only fn-nums work16:57
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infobotzeq_laptop meant: arrow keys aren't mapped correctly fn doesn't "stick" and only fn-nums work17:00
freemangordonzeq_laptop: no, will look at the code when I am back home17:02
teotwakiOur so called "QA" person came into my office, yelling at me17:03
teotwaki"The new version doesn't work, nothing works!"17:04
zeq_laptopfreemangordon: I might not be about, so if you want to be able to build it, here's what needs fixing to build:17:04
freemangordonzeq_laptop: I was thinking is it possible to use that and replace microb backend instead of17:04
teotwaki(I'm the product manager for a VoIP server with callcentre management)17:04
teotwakiI ask her what's wrong, she goes "The web services don't work anymore"17:04
teotwaki"Is there an error message?" "No", she replies.17:04
teotwakiI have a look, sure enough, there's an error message: "Invalid URL specified"17:05
teotwakiShe didn't put "http://" in the URL.17:05
zeq_laptopmy backup files have been cleaned up, how annoying!17:05
zeq_laptopfreemangordon: I don't know, does it matter if it's qt?17:05
freemangordonyes, it should be gtk17:05
zeq_laptopit hooks into gtk functions?17:06
teotwakiWhen she realises she's at fault, she yells at me because there's no input control, that the URL should be validated prior to failing.17:06
freemangordonas it is GtkMozEmbed that is used17:06
teotwakiI point out that it's her app, the one she created for QA testing that is at fault, not our front-end.17:06
freemangordonzeq_laptop: I was just wondering17:06
zeq_laptopwhat't the ABI though?17:06
freemangordonbrowser-eal or something like that17:07
zeq_laptopI wonder if it really is GTK specific17:08
freemangordonmerlin1991: what was that on TMO that one should uninstall bootimg package in order to upgrade to new cssu-thumb version?17:08
merlin1991well ham was claiming a bogus conflict for me17:08
zeq_laptopfreemangordon: anyway, a couple of fixes to get it to build:17:08
merlin1991so I uninstalled the bootimg packge and it went all fine after that17:08
freemangordonzeq_laptop: no idea. Anyway I won't start such a project without having womaxa on my side :D17:09
merlin1991didn't have the time to look at the control files to find out why I had the problem in the first place17:09
zeq_laptopNS_IMETHODIMP MaemoLocationProvider::SetHighAccuracy(bool)17:09
zeq_laptop{ return NS_OK;17:09
freemangordonmerlin1991: did you update?17:09
freemangordonzeq_laptop: better pastebin it17:09
zeq_laptoptell you what, I'll make a quick patch and pastebin that17:10
freemangordonyeah, the best option17:10
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vi_excuse my intrusion, but what are you compiling zeq_laptop?17:19
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zeq_laptopyou'll also need export PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/opt/qtm12/lib/pkgconfig"17:25
zeq_laptopin your mozocnfig17:26
infobotzeq_laptop meant: in your mozconfig17:26
zeq_laptopand obviously the actual qtm12 .pc files there17:26
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zeq_laptopfull mozconfig:
zeq_laptopif anybody else wants to give it a go, be my guest17:30
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zeq_laptopvi_: it's fennec/qt/thumb/NEON17:30
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zeq_laptopvi_: it runs fast, but there are bugs atm17:32
zeq_laptoplike autorotation being 90º off17:32
zeq_laptopsee scrollback17:33
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* zeq_laptop has some important offline tasks to perform...17:33
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ivgalvezfreemangordon: ping18:36
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zeq_laptopmerlin1991: do you know how rotation normally gets handled in hildon apps.  Looking through the fennec code, the "MeeGo" rotation handling (which is what's being used for my fennec build) actually rotates the render surface in the app in response to orientation changes.18:45
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zeq_laptopFrom reading qorientationsensor.cpp in libqtm, fennec simply shouldn't be using that API for determining portrait/landscape at all.  I don't know why it is!?!18:58
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zeq_laptopeven funnier, the code in fennec looks to have been written by Nokia19:01
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zeq_laptopwidget/qt/mozqorientationsensorfilter.cpp contains conversions between qt-mobility TopDown, TopUp, LeftUp and RightUp, and the fennec APIs mWindowRotationAngle in degrees, which is what's then used in widget/qt/nsWindow.cpp to determine whether to rotate the surface.19:08
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: i just came back :)19:12
freemangordonivgalvez: pong19:12
Woody14619vi__: very delayed pong. :)19:15
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: hi19:16
zeq_laptopdid you read ^^19:17
freemangordon(not the code iself)19:17
zeq_laptopwhat do hildon apps do?19:17
zeq_laptopon rotation19:17
zeq_laptopjust resize?19:17
freemangordonzeq_laptop: nothing :D. we just have to #ifdef QT_MAEMO_5 that code19:18
freemangordonyep, just resize19:18
freemangordonhmm, let me check for the correct define19:18
zeq_laptopthere is code in nsWindow.cpp for a "buffered painting mode" too19:19
freemangordonor even better, let me check what this code does19:19
zeq_laptopgood idea :)19:19
zeq_laptopI'm here but I'm busy sorting laundry, so I might be slow to respond19:20
zeq_laptopI think we should be able to ifdef out the rotation code and plugin hildon support19:21
zeq_laptopI don't know if you noticed but in portrait fennec is much slower at painting19:22
freemangordonyep. BTW hildon support consist of connect(QApplication::desktop(), SIGNAL(resized(int)), this, SLOT(orientationChanged()));19:24
zeq_laptopfreemangordon: there's a flag to enable h-d rotation, right?19:24
freemangordonsetAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, true);19:24
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freemangordonplus sever other performance tweaks, gimme some time to look at the code19:24
freemangordonaah, there is gtk2 under widget :D, nice19:25
zeq_laptopyes, there is gtk code too, but apparently it's not nearly as fast19:26
zeq_laptopcould be a limitation of gtk2<319:26
ivgalvezfremangordon: don't forget to send me your Nokia Developers ID19:26
freemangordonivgalvez: sure, isn't 25th a deadline?19:27
freemangordon*the deadline19:27
ivgalvezyep, but almost everyone has already sent them19:27
freemangordonok, will do it later19:28
ivgalvezok, the sooner I send it to Nokia, the sooner you'll receive the device19:28
freemangordon:D yeah19:28
freemangordonI was just wondering which address to write there19:28
freemangordonhome or office19:28
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: maybe we should disable MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY at all19:30
zeq_laptopit's handy for the geolocation stuff though at least19:31
zeq_laptopit's also possible the accelerometer can be used by web apps19:31
zeq_laptopas a basic browser it doesn't matter, but with a modern full-feature mozilla we get full HTML5 app support19:33
zeq_laptopqt-mobility, in theory should allow those apps to use device feature19:33
freemangordonyep, agree. Did you grep for all places GetWindowRotationAngle is called?19:34
freemangordonand where is your patch, so I can build it here19:34
zeq_laptopNo, I was just trying to trace where the rotation angle was coming from19:34
freemangordonok, gimme the patch, I will remove gOrientationFilter and compiler will tell me where is is called :D19:35
zeq_laptopyou need to make sure you have the libqtm11 pkgconfig files19:36
freemangordonor 12?19:36
zeq_laptopsome of the qtm -dev packages are broken wrt installing them19:37
freemangordonwill see19:38
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zeq_laptopit would be nice to have both updated microb and fennec, they both have quite different functionality.  microb has nice cut and paste for example, fennec currently lacks it!19:41
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freemangordonfennec has copy/paste :P19:41
freemangordonpress and hold19:41
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zeq_laptopit does? :)19:42
zeq_laptopoh well, must have come in recently... :$19:42
zeq_laptopok... nice gesture support in microb ;)19:42
freemangordonat least your build gives select all/copy all19:43
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: how's the build going?19:47
freemangordonfast :D19:48
zeq_laptopno breakages yet from gOrientationFilter removal?19:49
freemangordonstill not removed19:50
freemangordonI want to be sure I can build that first19:50
zeq_laptopaccording to grep, it's only used in nsWindow.cpp19:52
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freemangordonthats very goot19:54
freemangordonivgalvez: sorry for the stupid question, where am I supposed to send my Nokia developer ID19:55
freemangordon"/home/maemo/workspace/tmp/fennec-14.0b7/mozilla-beta/dom/system/unix/QTMLocationProvider.h:40:34: fatal error: QGeoPositionInfoSource: No such file or directory19:56
freemangordonzeq_laptop: ^^^19:56
zeq_laptopfreemangordon: it failed to find your qtm12 pkgconfig files19:57
freemangordonyeah :(19:57
zeq_laptopbuildsystem doesn't give much warning19:58
freemangordonzeq_laptop: I am stupid, I don't have them :D19:58
zeq_laptopI did say to check :)19:58
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freemangordonbut I have qtm1.0.2, should I uninstall it?19:59
zeq_laptopno need19:59
zeq_laptopthe PKG_CONFIG_PATH means look here first19:59
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: But I have QGeoPositionInfoSource20:00
freemangordoneven without qtm12 installed20:01
freemangordonlet me check configure20:01
zeq_laptopit will look in $QTDIR/include20:02
zeq_laptopwhich resolves to /include20:02
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freemangordondamn, that is what pkg-config --cflags QtLocation spits20:02
freemangordon-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include20:02
freemangordongoing to fix that first20:02
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zeq_laptopI did try building against earlier libqtm first btw20:05
zeq_laptopnot all the needed APIs were there though as I recall20:06
freemangordonok, going to include qtm1220:07
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zeq_laptopthere seems to be two versions in the repos20:07
zeq_laptopof qtm1220:07
zeq_laptopmonolithic and modular20:07
zeq_laptopthe monolithic at least doesn't install the pkgconfigs, I fixed that here before I realised the other version was available.  I don't know if the modular version installs them or not.20:09
freemangordonhmm, the fastest way is to just add QtLocation/ in the source20:10
freemangordonwill fix qt-mobility later20:10
zeq_laptopas long as you get the right one20:10
freemangordonwell, lets try with what I have, compilation is fast here. and AFAIK qtm12 is in extras-devel20:11
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zeq_laptopfwiw qtm-12 is the current stable version20:12
freemangordonin extras?20:12
zeq_laptopI nean upstream20:13
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zeq_laptopso what are you going to do with your 950?20:15
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zeq_laptopare we going to have a thumb-extras repo?20:18
freemangordonzeq_laptop: it's a secret20:18
zeq_laptopah forget I asked ;)20:19
freemangordonzeq_laptop: qho knows, maybe, lets all that noise around nokia cease first20:19
zeq_laptopI don't think they'll be around much longer tbh20:19
freemangordonyeah :(20:20
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freemangordonyes, QFeedbackEffect is missing20:20
freemangordongoing to install qtm-1220:20
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: how is the package called?20:22
zeq_laptoplibqtm-12-dev I think20:23
zeq_laptopI think there are two versions though as I mentioned20:23
zeq_laptopin different repos, not checked which, where though20:23
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zeq_laptopI have a version on my server20:26
zeq_laptopif that helps20:27
zeq_laptopfreemangordon: ^20:27
freemangordonzeq_laptop: but I need to find what is in repos20:27
freemangordongimme some time20:27
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freemangordonthe version in extras is broken, installing from extras-devel20:33
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freemangordoninstalled, starting the compilation20:37
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: is it enough to add PKG_CONFIG=/opt/qtm12/lib/pkgconfig:$(PKG_CONFIG) in debian/rules?20:50
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: PKG_CONFIG_PATH21:01
freemangordonyeah, typo21:02
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zeq_laptopif it likely to be defined in the environment?21:03
zeq_laptopthe default path is always searched after those listed in PKG_CONFIG_PATH21:03
zeq_laptopsucess now?21:04
infobotzeq_laptop meant: success now?21:04
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freemangordonthough it won't finish till GF is ready with her make-up, so I won't be able to see the result in a couple of hours :)21:05
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zeq_laptophow do you find which repo provides a particular pkg?21:36
zeq_laptophow do you find which repo provides a particular pkg?21:36
zeq_laptopecho in here :)21:37
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cehtehapt-cache policy <package>21:40
zeq_laptopcehteh: thanks :)21:40
zeq_laptopokay, that's interesting21:41
zeq_laptopso libqtm-12 is a core package21:41
zeq_laptop     1:1.2.0+git20111104-0nd~fremantle5 021:41
zeq_laptop        500 fremantle/free Packages21:41
zeq_laptopMaintainer: Attila Csipa <>21:42
zeq_laptopIs Attila Csipa still maintainer?21:43
cehtehanyone left at nokia?21:44
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zeq_laptopis that rhetorical?21:45
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cehtehyes :)21:45
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zeq_laptopI guess there's a few pkgs going to need new maintainers21:45
zeq_laptopI guess that makes it CSSU material though, right?21:46
SiceloCongrats to N9(50) reciepients (to be)21:46
cehtehyeah .. go and adopt bme please :)21:46
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cehtehDocScrutinizer*: what are the limitations of hostmode, i just dumbed down tried to use avrdude from easy-debian, that doesnt work21:49
Siceloavrdude .. hmm :/21:50
Sicelomlwane: pm?21:51
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DocScrutinizer05cehteh: hmm?21:59
cehtehyou know the usbasp avr burner? usb in software on a almost naked atmega22:00
DocScrutinizer05err somewhat22:00
cehtehwhen i plug it in then lsusb doesnt list it and seems to time out22:00
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cehtehprolly it has a very rudimentary usb implementation22:01
cehtehalso when i plug in my keyboard it works .. but when i plug a hub inbetween it doesnt work22:01
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cehtehi have no idea and no intent to investigate that much more, just asking if you are aware of any shortcomings22:02
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DocScrutinizer05you need to trigger ENUM manually, for each new device plugged in22:03
cehtehnegotiation of transfer speed? standard compliance? ..22:03
cehtehhow to?22:03
DocScrutinizer05click "enum"?22:03
cehtehi did22:03
cehtehcomes back with 'no filesystem found' or somethnig like that22:03
cehtehlemme try again22:04
Sicelothere is no FS of course for a keyboard22:04
DocScrutinizer05what fscking fs? on a kbd?22:04
cehtehbtw starting hen stopps bme .. but exiting it doesnt restart bme, at least not reliable (i didnt used it often yet)22:04
cehtehmoment maybe i remember the error wrong22:05
Sicelocehteh: DocScrutinizer05 published a new booston/off script in which that's fixed (stopping and starting bme, i mean)22:05
cehtehhow can i find out the speed level of a given device? (on a laptop)22:06
cehtehi dont know if the avr programmer is low speed or full speed22:06
* Sicelo makes a note too :P22:06
DocScrutinizer05or lsusb22:06
cehteh[781875.028557] usb 7-2: new low-speed USB device number 32 using uhci_hcd22:06
cehtehthanks :(22:06
cehtehok .. from the host it works (not debian chroot)22:08
cehtehmaybe its a missing usbfs mount or whatever22:08
DocScrutinizer05with a hub attached and enumerated you shouldn't need manual enum for devices plugged to hub later on, iirc22:08
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DocScrutinizer05why T F would you want to run h-e-n in a chroot=22:09
cehteherror message is (german) "Verbindung kann nicht hergestellt werden, da kein Dateisystem verfügbar ist" .. as notification after i enum it22:09
cehtehnot that22:09
cehtehi started hen from outside22:09
cehtehbut the avr toolchain is in the chroot and has no access to the usb programmer22:10
cehteh(but it sees the keyboard)22:10
DocScrutinizer05that's after hitting "mount"22:10
DocScrutinizer05you can't mount a kbd22:10
cehtehi definitive hit 'enum' ... and thats reproducible22:10
cehtehprogrammer now, not keyboard22:10
cehtehdoes it try to automount?22:10
DocScrutinizer05nfc, check syslog22:11
DocScrutinizer05maybe new ke-ecv does22:11
cehtehbarf :P22:11
cehtehwell nothing in syslog22:11
DocScrutinizer05who's telli ng this then?22:12
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cehtehmaybe :) .. no idea22:12
DocScrutinizer05A) never use "autostart filemanager" option in h-e-n22:12
cehteh*now* lsusb lists the device (from chroot)22:12
DocScrutinizer05B) check syslog22:13
DocScrutinizer05there has to be sth in there22:13
cehtehgood that i talked with you .. bugs are scared by you and vanish :P22:13
cehtehealier i tried serveral times and it didnt worked :P22:13
cehtehmaybe some timing/sync problems22:13
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DocScrutinizer05stay patient, it all takes its time22:14
DocScrutinizer05USB well takes 30s sometimes, to init22:15
DocScrutinizer05even on my laptop22:15
DocScrutinizer05some peripherals aren't exactly lightning fast22:15
cehtehoh . here on my laptop its almost always instant22:16
DocScrutinizer05and after al the peri needs to *boot* after you hit "vboost"22:16
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cehtehnice setup now   n900 - chargingcable - female:female adapter - usbcable - naked programmer pcb - ribbon cable - selfglued adaper - rc helicopter     :)22:17
DocScrutinizer05anyway, enjoy22:17
* DocScrutinizer05 waves and heads out for dinner22:17
cehtehcu :)22:17
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: I notice the Maemo5 support code is still in the gtk2 widget, I'm going to try porting it over to the qt widget.22:29
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vi__Woody14619: ping22:33
Woody14619Whats up? :)22:33
vi__Woody14619: just ignore them haterz.22:34
vi__abill_uk is a fucking penis.22:34
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Woody14619Yes.. I know... but to some degree, especially with Aris, I need to make the point that this is far more helpfull the the "Harmattan community"...22:35
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Woody14619I susspect he's the Estel of Harmattan...  Though I'm not sure if/whom that would be insulting to... Probably both of them...22:36
SiceloLol Woody1461922:36
chem|stWoody14619: estel is more of the combination of pupnik and abill_uk22:41
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* Woody14619 avoids this converstaion.... 22:41
chem|stwhat does abill do AGAIN?22:42
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vi__chem|st: he is the result of the uk welfare state.22:42
vi__The only prize I saw as controversial was 'Matan'.22:43
chem|stvi__: fat ugly proll in front of a pc?22:43
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vi__chem|st: A little right of centre politically are we chem|st ;)22:43
chem|stvi__: actually not, but I know some of those :)22:44
chem|stif you are speaking of result that comes to mind...22:44
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ZogG_laptopWoody14619: i'm the one who is asking questions on that thread too, and i want to ask you to ignore trolls, as when you answer it makes harder to see other questions and comments =)22:46
ZogG_laptopMatan was hard with community but contributed a lot22:47
vi__ZogG_laptop: matan went AWOL well over a year ago.22:47
vi__Which is totally cool, however it does somewhat tarnish your status as a community champion.22:48
chem|stvi__: AWOL applies to others too22:48
Woody14619vi__: he has been active a bit recently behind the sceens too though.  And frankly, the same could be said of others who have since come back.22:48
Woody14619vi__: and really, do you think he'll get a shiny new toy and not fall into the trap of contributing again?  It's like handing a pipe to a crack addict... I almost felt bad doing it.22:49
chem|stvi__: as it is/was about the PAST in community I am more about those who are commonly freshmen22:49
ZogG_laptopvi__: i'm not judging members, at least i don't want to accuse though i have few question marks, but it would be too much and unfair as always people would think different and accuse but some points of council getting devices are not right in any option22:49
vi__Woody14619: Heh, you drug pimpin' SOaB.22:50
ZogG_laptopchem|st: me too22:50
vi__ZogG_laptop: I think the problem is what counts as community contribution.22:51
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ZogG_laptopi was out for a long from #maemo and i don't know all the people on list but most i know as i was an active memeber when i had n900 and even if i didn't contributed euf i do remember those who did. maybe they give you double feeling but you know their names not for nothing22:51
SpeedEvil:wave Zog22:52
ZogG_laptopSpeedEvil: sup22:52
SpeedEvilI am eating Pizza.22:52
vi__is defined vaguely.22:52
SpeedEvil(not strictly on-topic)22:52
vi__ZogG_laptop: wait, you are matan?22:52
ZogG_laptopSpeedEvil: what adds?22:52
SpeedEvil Just basic olive, cheese, and kabernosi sausage.22:53
ZogG_laptopi like mushrooms in any food22:53
ZogG_laptopi would eat mushroom icecream22:53
vi__ZogG_laptop: ZogG_laptop==matan?22:53
vi__badxboy: hello.22:53
ZogG_laptopvi__: ???22:54
vi__ZogG_laptop: I guess not then :p22:55
ZogG_laptopi don't know him personally and never talked to him, but he is from my country if you mean that =)22:55
badxboyif i said i hate maemo will anyone kick me fo saying that? (just asking)22:56
vi__What is Arie's obsession with harmattan?  I mean the CA were for community activity, not to encourage harmattan development?22:56
vi__badxboy: nope.22:56
vi__badxboy: I hate maemo too.22:56
ZogG_laptopvi__: i was here a while ago and i always was ZogG here, people do remember me22:56
vi__Especially maemo 5.22:56
DocScrutinizer51vi__: sure?22:57
vi__It is a hack-ass pile of WTF that somehow works.22:57
badxboyi dont hate it but you can say im not even a maemo usr :P22:57
vi__However it is the best mobile OS available.22:57
badxboythats why im here22:57
badxboyi want to ask something22:58
DocScrutinizer51earning kickpoints?22:58
vi__badxboy: proceed.22:58
DocScrutinizer51asking is good22:58
badxboyim an android usr...22:58
DocScrutinizer51bad karma22:58
DocScrutinizer51still no crime22:58
ZogG_laptopi loved maemo 522:59
vi__badxboy: I am sorry to hear that.22:59
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.22:59
ZogG_laptopbadxboy: there are wp users among us =)23:00
DocScrutinizer51wordperfect? really???23:00
badxboyi want to ask is it possible to run (ubuntu/maemo/linux) on android?23:00
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vi__badxboy: lol23:01
badxboyi geuss no...23:01
badxboyok thx anyways :P23:01
ZogG_laptopbadxboy: you want to run apps or system and if yes than it depends on device i think and drivers and other things you would need to rewrite/re do and mostly they would be closed source23:02
vi__linux is a kernel, maemo is a platfor specific wad of stuff and ubuntu is a distribution.23:02
DocScrutinizer51if you want maemo, you want N90023:02
vi__If you want linux on a pocket device you want an n90023:02
vi__if you want a smartphone you want an android.23:02
ZogG_laptopbadxboy: but you can check on mer or nemo projects and maybe collabrate with devs to port to your device, i think it might be possible23:02
ZogG_laptopvi__: is you want smart phone you want WP7 =)23:03
* ZogG_laptop is trolling23:03
vi__as for running linux on an android (laymans terms) you can kind of run linux simultaneously but you cannot have any graphics without shitty VNC hacks.23:04
badxboyi know a way to run ubuntu via vnc with a pc23:04
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badxboywith windows 723:05
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badxboyi think the htc hd2 can run ubuntu, but its originaly windows mobile23:07
badxboythats why i thought it would be posslible for an android device23:08
vi__can the n950 battery be replaced (with a screwdriver?)23:09
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Sicelobadxboy: i have a chinese friend who has an HTC android.. poor guy tried all he could, until one day he just quit trying. :/23:10
Siceloto boot linux natively, i mean23:10
badxboyi have a motorola milestone not a htc device :/23:11
DocScrutinizer51vi__: yes23:11
vi__DocScrutinizer51: a 12MP camera? WTF?23:11
badxboybut one of my mates is using a htc hd223:11
Sicelobadxboy: i'm not a dev. :P23:12
Siceloi think your best bet is some chroot+vnc, as vi__  said already.23:12
badxboyand im not a dev thats why im not even trying, im  just searching for a way to do that23:13
badxboyand the vnc will be slow23:13
Siceloget an N900 :P23:15
Viltzuasdf Problem with MegeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
ViltzuThe package lists or status file could  not be parsed or opened.23:15
ViltzuWhen trying to do apt-get update in scratchbox23:15
badxboyi dont want an n90023:16
ViltzuNeed that dep so I can install libboost 1.49 :P23:16
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Sicelogood luck.23:17
ViltzuAnother way is then to compile boost 1.49..23:17
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badxboyoh yeah and i read that its possible to run any img OS via bochs (its an app for android), but it will be slow because its running on top of android23:19
badxboyok thank for the tips :D bye guys23:20
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ZogG_laptopvi__: i think there are videos of disassamle of n95023:21
DocScrutinizer05no problem23:26
DocScrutinizer05unscrew, slide in fingernail at speaker23:27
DocScrutinizer05between plastic and body23:27
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DocScrutinizer05just don't think you can remove alu while keeping plastic ends in place23:27
ZogG_laptopruskie: till around?23:28
* DocScrutinizer05 frowns at incredibly obfuscated crappy android repo diagnostic prints23:29
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DocScrutinizer05Receiving objects:  86% (781/904), 92.54 MiB | 88 KiB/s    ects:  86% (781/904), 91.97 MiB | 96 KiB/s    iB/s23:31
zeq_laptopfreemangordon: I've just merged arcean's hildon-desktop double->float conversion into your thumb-testing branch and rebuilt with NEON support.  Backing up first before testing it... :)23:46
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DocScrutinizer05WUT??? FLOAT in H-D??23:49
merlin1991huh? what did I miss23:49
DocScrutinizer05devine insanity23:51
* DocScrutinizer05 suggests to reimplement gstreamer plugins in infinite-decimals-BDC23:53
merlin1991nah DocScrutinizer05 I think the actual patch is about float -> double -> float conversions in h-d23:54
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merlin1991some silly stuff there23:54
DocScrutinizer05there SHOULD NOT be any floats in H-D at all23:55
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.23:55
merlin1991as if double were better23:56
DocScrutinizer05waaaay better23:56
DocScrutinizer05you think 2 + 3 = 5, in float??23:56
merlin1991ah yeah just to make you rage more, since you live in germany it's quite possible your energy provider quite possible uses an mdm/amr that has float to store the deltas23:57
merlin1991too much possible in that sentence xD23:57
DocScrutinizer05as long as I don't miss the holiday in the caribic award for the 10.000.000 kWh as the counter jumps from 9.999.999,999899921 to 10.000.000,00000002365165323:58
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DocScrutinizer05in real there IS NO such thing like 10.000.000 plain23:59
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