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| freemangordon | Raimu: because mp depends on the exact kernel version | 00:04 |
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| freemangordon | not on ( >= ) | 00:04 |
| Raimu | Drat. | 00:04 |
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| freemangordon | Raimu: well, take it easy, if there are still no crashes in the next 12 hours (i.e. till tomorrow evening) I will made a new update, everything is in place but mp- thingie | 00:05 |
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| freemangordon | Raimu: I don't want to distribute something I am not convinced it is stable. And it is really hard to hit that bug, seems noone but me (because of X) has trigger it. | 00:08 |
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| Raimu | Yep, I understand.. I only did wonder why put it in early. | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | Raimu: because it takes some time to upload about 100 MBs to the repo, I prefer to have everything uplodaed in advance as I cannot plan my free time ;) | 00:13 |
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| esaym153 | gdb is not in any repos for the n810? | 00:19 |
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| vi__ | stop everything. | 00:57 |
| vi__ | we have a winner. | 00:57 |
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| vi__ | "Thumb2, better than speedpatch." | 00:58 |
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| Woody14619 | lol! | 00:59 |
| * Woody14619 awards vi__ a trophy for his great find. | 00:59 | |
| Woody14619 | I almost want to print that out and hang it on my cube wall... | 01:00 |
| vi__ | Woody14619: so is maemo.org toast? | 01:03 |
| vi__ | Woody14619: I have space on a webserver if that can help? | 01:04 |
| Woody14619 | I don't think so... We have some internal fighters still. Nothing can be said officially, but I suspect we'll get the 6 months promissed at least, if not 12 or so. | 01:05 |
| vi__ | could probably run the forums from it and hold the wiki. | 01:05 |
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| Woody14619 | And Reggie has offered a complete dump of the forum, as that's all his systems/servers/content.... | 01:05 |
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| vi__ | Woody14619: at the very least I WILL be hosting the firmware images and flasher program. | 01:06 |
| Woody14619 | What I worry about really is the garages and repos. But I susspect that there are at least one or two mirrors out there already, and those will have lots of time to get stuff from before they close, if they're hit. | 01:06 |
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| vi__ | I could probably hold a mirror as well. | 01:07 |
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| vi__ | although I have NFC how to set that up. | 01:08 |
| Woody14619 | And, there's a rush on to get OBS up, running, and maybe now even packaged so individuals can get it (and the blobs needed from Nokia) to run their own setup. | 01:08 |
| Woody14619 | So, No... I don't think the end is neigh. But even if it is, we're pretty close to being able to limp along on our own as a community if it happens. | 01:09 |
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| vi__ | somehoe I do not see TMO becomming a subforum in another forum. | 01:10 |
| Woody14619 | The problems with mirrors are: Some of the blobs are not something you can redist (or even fetch for that matter), as their proprietary Nokia. And even if you did, the bandwidth would kill just getting it, yet alone offering it to others. | 01:10 |
| vi__ | ^somehow | 01:10 |
| Raimu | Chuckling at "Better than Speedpatch" | 01:10 |
| Raimu | Seeing that'd kill me. | 01:11 |
| vi__ | freemangordon can stop now. | 01:11 |
| Woody14619 | Like OVI store... If Nokia goes away, those apps do too. (Save the few that crafty folks may have figured out how to re-package) | 01:11 |
| vi__ | he has reached his zenith. | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | fsck thumb | 01:12 |
| vi__ | Woody14619: fortunaltley there was nothing but shit in the ovi store. | 01:12 |
| vi__ | ^fortunatley. | 01:12 |
| Woody14619 | But vi__ it thumb-2 will never compete with the next version of speedpatch. (Due out tomorrow, right? ;) | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | 97% risk for 15% savings | 01:12 |
| * Woody14619 nods, a little... There is Angry Birds in OVI store, after all... | 01:12 | |
| * Woody14619 needs his Angrey Birds fix... | 01:13 | |
| Woody14619 | I've seen worse compromises Doc. ;) | 01:14 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer06: risk of what? | 01:14 |
| vi__ | Woody14619: 14619 is your zipcode? | 01:14 |
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| Woody14619 | And I think the 97% risk is a tad high... Since so far the patch has worked 100%. | 01:14 |
| * Woody14619 nods to vi__ | 01:14 | |
| Woody14619 | You know now where I (and ~35K other people) live. | 01:15 |
| vi__ | the odds in favour of your anonimity just got a whole shitload slimmer. | 01:16 |
| Woody14619 | .oO(If you had the +4, you could come pee on my lawn...) | 01:16 |
| Woody14619 | Well, considering my city/state is in my profile, and there are only 5 zips in the city... not by much. :) | 01:17 |
| vi__ | your foolishness with personal privacy has allowed me to rule out the entire southern hemisphere. | 01:18 |
| vi__ | you cannot hide forever woody. | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | vi__: risk of 69% users fsckd | 01:18 |
| Woody14619 | Pleh... You'd have better luck tracking my IP back through IRC... that makes me one of 300 people working for the company. | 01:19 |
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| Woody14619 | How so, DocScrutinizer06? | 01:19 |
| MrPingu | What's wrong with thumb2? I have been using it without any problems, so far | 01:19 |
| MrPingu | Note: I started fresh | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | the patches are not verified to work against "normal apps" | 01:20 |
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| MrPingu | Define "normal apps" | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | BlessN900 | 01:20 |
| Woody14619 | That's being done now, AFAIK... And really, lots of folks have been using "normal apps" for some time now. | 01:20 |
| Woody14619 | I'd hardly use BlessN900 as an example of "normal" | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | MyACMEapp | 01:21 |
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| Woody14619 | Considering it broke itself each time Nokiia released a new PR... | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: though it is | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | we all live in a bubble | 01:21 |
| MrPingu | Is it tested on a fresh device? | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | there are probably 2 mio sold N900 | 01:22 |
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| Woody14619 | Besides, it' not like this is going into Extras... It's going into a sub-repository behind another sub-repository. | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | users in this chan: 278 | 01:22 |
| Woody14619 | You have to enable CSSU, then enable CSSU-testing. | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: and I'm all fine with that | 01:22 |
| Woody14619 | 90% of the world hasn't even turned on Extras, as it's off by default. | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | Woody14619: No, it's on by default in Fremantle | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | incorrect, since PR1.2 | 01:23 |
| Woody14619 | Maybe 1% have CSSU installed. | 01:23 |
| vi__ | Woody14619: and how many fucking spacker mongs have installed T2 because they think it is just the next upgrade release... | 01:23 |
| vi__ | ? | 01:23 |
| vi__ | there be a shit storm a brewin' | 01:23 |
| Woody14619 | Only as many as complain on TMO... so.. 4. :) | 01:23 |
| MrPingu | Pick me | 01:23 |
| Woody14619 | Again, this assumes it breaks things. | 01:23 |
| Woody14619 | Which so far it has not. | 01:24 |
| MrPingu | No, I exactly knew it's testing | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | vi__: no way | 01:24 |
| Woody14619 | And it's being tested by plenty of folks right now... | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | plenty by which metrics? | 01:25 |
| MrPingu | Really I haven't had any problem so far :) | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | WFM is no argument when it comes to Millions of deployed systems | 01:26 |
| Woody14619 | So, yes, will someone enable CSSU, CSSU-Testing, and then go grab zeebra-pron-0m5-thumb2 just because they can? Sure. But they'll already have speedpatch installed, so it's not like they'll notice if something else breaks. | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | thimb is fine for those who want to gamble with it. It's no way ever an alternative for CSSU | 01:26 |
| Woody14619 | Doc, as I recall you used this same argument against CSSU and KP 6 months ago, no? | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I never used any argument against CSSU | 01:27 |
| Woody14619 | hmmm.. maybe it was chemist. :P | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | KP however is breaking module compatibility and thus never qualifies for an recommended upgrade | 01:28 |
| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: how did libqtm11/12 ever build? multimedia.pro contanis -march=armv7a instead of armv7-a, fixing that and there's a build failure at: qgraphicsvideoitem_maemo5.cpp | 01:28 |
| Woody14619 | There we go... | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | BlessN900 (and nnn other commercial apps) need kernel module compatibility | 01:28 |
| vi__ | brb | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | we're not doing CSSU for the 278 in here | 01:29 |
| Woody14619 | Then if you want BlessN900, don't install KP. Simple. | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | indeed | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | you're however allowed and encouraged to install CSSU | 01:30 |
| Woody14619 | No, not any more than you are KP. | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and that's why CSSU will never include a new kernel | 01:30 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer06: no one else who is left still using N900 care about cssu etc. | 01:30 |
| Woody14619 | I know far more people that overclock via KP than use CSSU... Just saying. | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | doesn't matter | 01:30 |
| vi__ | ^that is not already on TMO etc. | 01:30 |
| vi__ | ~tmo | 01:31 |
| infobot | [tmo] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | CSSU is official SSU | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | by community | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | for *everybody* | 01:31 |
| jacekowski | ~t-mo | 01:31 |
| infobot | well, t-mo is T-Mobile | 01:31 |
| jacekowski | ~maemo | 01:31 |
| Woody14619 | I'm still trying to see your point here Doc. Thumb, AFAIK, is going to be in a separate sub-repo, requiring KP >=50 | 01:31 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer06: but your *everybody* includes joe shitmuncher who doesnt care about kp. He does not exist anymore. | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | no problem with me | 01:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | we're discussing null issues | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | n8 | 01:32 |
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| Woody14619 | So in that reguard, it's not going to be *in* CSSU, nor require it as far as I can see. | 01:33 |
| zeq_laptop | DocScrutinizer06: how's your c++? | 01:34 |
| Woody14619 | Eventually, someone will make zeebra-pron-0m5-thumb2 and make it only for thumb though... which will pull in the scruffy nerf hearders, like it always does. But again, they have to jump through two flaming hoops to get there... so... If they burn, it's on em. | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: ack | 01:34 |
| Woody14619 | .oO(That's what backupmenu is for, right?) | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | not exactly | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | BM can roll back, but nor create alternative branches | 01:35 |
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| zeq_laptop | attempting to rebuild libqtm11 due to missing pkgconfigs, hits this after fixing above mentioned -march=armv7a error: http://pastebin.com/yCbY1Xu7 | 01:36 |
| Woody14619 | True, but that roll-back is essentially a re-flash, minus firmware and kernel (for now), so... | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: the basic axiom is: pick up as many users as possible where they are. With all their needs and restrictions they face | 01:36 |
| Woody14619 | For CSSU, yes... | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | yes, only for CSSU | 01:37 |
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| zeq_laptop | code is viewable here: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/qt-mobility/blobs/2a2b7c24c714ea65c6cf732175fc60a1867dae08/src/multimedia/qgraphicsvideoitem_maemo5.cpp | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | for PK we go bleeding edge | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | for thumb | 01:37 |
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| MrPingu | That's why we have cssu-stable | 01:38 |
| Woody14619 | For KP and thumb, it's more about giving functionality to an older device for the ones that are going to stay on it when the new shiny comes out and the rest of the nerfs throw away their old device for a new one. | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | MrPingu: stable and testing | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: yes | 01:38 |
| MrPingu | IMO: testing can be bleeding edge too | 01:39 |
| zeq_laptop | I can't make out what's wrong with the code given the error. (if *anybody* can help) | 01:39 |
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| Woody14619 | And frankly, with the age of the N900, lots of nerfs have left. The community is quickly approaching non-nerf status. | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | we of course should break new ground. But not on CSSU | 01:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | CSSU is the genuine continuation of Nokia SSU | 01:40 |
| Woody14619 | Why not? And again, this is not something, last I knew, that was being rolled into CSSU. | 01:40 |
| MrPingu | but I agree thumb2 supported kernel should be in PK, cssu-kernel doesn't belong in ssu | 01:40 |
| Woody14619 | It's reliant on KP50, not CSSU. | 01:40 |
| MrPingu | Just for the very reason you mentioned earlier | 01:40 |
| MrPingu | With PK v50 in extras | 01:41 |
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| Woody14619 | zeq_laptop, and whats the error you're getting again? | 01:41 |
| zeq_laptop | I'm with DocScrutinizer06, and I'm working on thumb related things. There's no problem having both streams. | 01:41 |
| zeq_laptop | http://pastebin.com/yCbY1Xu7 | 01:41 |
| MrPingu | Can extras-devel be used for a v51 with thumb ;) | 01:42 |
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| Woody14619 | I agrees.. that's why I'm trying to figure out why Doc is so down on thumb? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I'm just disappointed nobody verifies THUMB | 01:42 |
| zeq_laptop | verifies? | 01:42 |
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| MrPingu | Idk, however "it's working fine for me said by Mrpingu (normal user #999)" insnt a scientific proof | 01:43 |
| zeq_laptop | if you mean for stablility, we're doing that through active testing. | 01:43 |
| Woody14619 | Again, I think it's being verified.... | 01:43 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: you killed the thumb repo : | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | *:P* | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | verifies as in "deliver *proof* is's a fix" | 01:44 |
| MrPingu | OTOH, if there are many working fines we can render it tested... | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | WFM is no proof | 01:44 |
| Woody14619 | There are "normal" apps in the OVI store that break constantly that obviously got less "verification" than thumb is already. | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | reprepro by default removes older verions | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | and your kernel update you uploaded removed the old one xD | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | too many savvy people dispised thumb | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | you're not rehabilaizing it with "WFM" | 01:45 |
| Woody14619 | Doc: many savy people also dispised overclocking.... Yet it's a pretty common practice there days... | 01:45 |
| zeq_laptop | DocScrutinizer06: that's why thumb2 was developed | 01:45 |
| zeq_laptop | original thumb was god awful | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and we seen pretty a number of fuckedup devices | 01:46 |
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| MrPingu | Of OC? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | with NONe OF THEM been caused by OC | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ;-P | 01:46 |
| MrPingu | I guess it's more because user fault, not knowing what they are doing | 01:47 |
| MrPingu | While OC can be stable if done right ;) | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | 95% of users silently binned the N900 when it went apeshit due to OC | 01:47 |
| zeq_laptop | DocScrutinizer06: evidence? | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | MrPingu: nope, OC is like running your car engine with two times the RPM it's designed for | 01:48 |
| MrPingu | Now SR is fixed it's even easier for end-users to use good OC-settings | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | it will wear out | 01:48 |
| Woody14619 | Doc, I've had my device overclocked since before Titan put out kernels... No damage yet. | 01:48 |
| MrPingu | I run however for 2 weeks without OC and it's doing fine actually :P | 01:48 |
| zeq_laptop | underclocking and mild overclocking doesn't wear it out any quicker | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: I run my car around teh block at 22800RPM once a week since 5 yreas | 01:48 |
| zeq_laptop | I meant *unvolting* | 01:49 |
| Woody14619 | And yes, it's like over reving your engine. But then I see little Honda Fit's every day with a custom huge engine and jacked up tires... | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | zeq_laptop: aha, and you know that because you designed the OMAP chip? | 01:49 |
| zeq_laptop | it's the current and heat that kills | 01:49 |
| zeq_laptop | I know that from the principle of electron migration | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | aha, you again know that because you invented integrated circuits? | 01:50 |
| Woody14619 | Doc: The point being, if YOU don't want that, then by all means, don't YOU install it. But to poo-poo people doing work to make life better for those that want to take that (far less than 1%) risk... seems a tad silly. | 01:50 |
| MrPingu | Anyway I think OC is not that bad as you propose it is... | 01:51 |
| zeq_laptop | It is bad if you just ramp up the clockspeed/voltage | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: I'm not doing any of that | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I'm just not taking shit from amateurs | 01:51 |
| Woody14619 | Especially when it's not being tied to or injected into anything "stable" or main-stream. | 01:51 |
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| MrPingu | I won't discuss it anyfurther as I can't come up with good arguments ;) | 01:51 |
| MrPingu | My knowledge is just too low :P | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | that's the point | 01:52 |
| MrPingu | That's why I said: I Think.. | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I'm building chips for bagles now | 01:53 |
| Woody14619 | Doc: Galileo was considered and amateur astrologer in his day. People poo-pooed his theories all the time... but turns out he was right in the end on most of it. | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I see the results of test our engineers at chipfab do | 01:53 |
| Woody14619 | Being and ameture != always wrong. | 01:53 |
| zeq_laptop | DocScrutinizer06: and what do they tell you? | 01:54 |
| MrPingu | Woody14619 you give a bit of confidence haha :P | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | they tell me it's 49-dimesional problem | 01:54 |
| Woody14619 | Sounds reasonable to me. :) | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and things like UV and temperaturee are just 2 of those dimensions | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | you goddomn dunno what's gonna happen when you OC, but odds are it WILL hirt your chip | 01:55 |
| Woody14619 | And yet, they can make a chip that runs at 500Mhz with a reasonable MTBF... And you believe them when they say that, but not when someone say, if we up this a little, we can get it to run at 600 without much life loss. | 01:56 |
| zeq_laptop | yep, current, cosmic rays, quantum events ... | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: EM is a e^x function | 01:56 |
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| Woody14619 | I don't think anyone argues that OC doesn't have potential to lower the life of the chip.. | 01:56 |
| MrPingu | How many of these fscked device were caused ONLY by OC? | 01:57 |
| zeq_laptop | as undervolting increases it | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | kicks in at 528, at 533 it hits the roof, at 600 it skyrockets | 01:57 |
| Woody14619 | It clearly does. But the failure rate on the chip is ~5 years. If OC lessens that life by a year, but lets you actually continue to USE the device another 2 vs getting a faster one when you "need" it, what's lost? | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | omap has EOL of 100k@500 and 10k@600 | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | guess what it has at 700 | 01:58 |
| Woody14619 | Would you sooner not have the OC option, and have people dump the device like the GTA02 when something faster comes along? | 01:58 |
| Woody14619 | Or have the option to OC and have that device be viable for another year, vs in a land-fill. | 01:59 |
| zeq_laptop | DocScrutinizer06: they are mean failure times | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I just hate dudes that think they can argue from their primary scool math | 01:59 |
| zeq_laptop | it could be *worse* ;) | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | zeq_laptop: yep | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | actually it's 15 of 1000 assumed dead after 10k hours @ 600 | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | at extended temp range | 02:00 |
| zeq_laptop | do they have the stats for undervolting? | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | NOBODY of you all did those testes | 02:01 |
| Woody14619 | And 10K @600 takes how long for a typical user? Considering it runs 95% of it's life at 0... | 02:01 |
| zeq_laptop | I am genuinely curious | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | or sis anybody? | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | did* | 02:01 |
| Woody14619 | Doc: yes... TI did. Which is why they sold them as 500Mhz devices and not 700Mhz. Their ramps are in the chip spec. And are not that dramatic. | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: you can cosider whatever you like. Your neighbour, watching lots of vidoes via mplayer w/o DSP accel, may have different results. WERY different | 02:02 |
| Woody14619 | And Titan DID project out that curve, which is why his suggestion was not to go over 850. | 02:02 |
| zeq_laptop | 805 I believe | 02:02 |
| MrPingu | Is our chip in N900 originally clocked at 500 and overclocked to 600 by Nokia? | 02:03 |
| Woody14619 | Doc: That same neighbor playing videos on stock is going to get the same life out of it, if not less, when he can't watch 720p and goes and gets a new Android device after a year. | 02:03 |
| MrPingu | Or wat that a random example, Woody14619? | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | MrPingu: yep | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | MrPingu: TI recommendations: 100kh @OPP1..4 15kH@OPP5 | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | iirc | 02:04 |
| Woody14619 | Again... if the *usable* lifetime of a device can be extended via OC, you've lost nothing. | 02:04 |
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| Woody14619 | If the option is get a new device or OC the one you have to keep up, one makes more land fill. Who cares if it lessens the life of the device which you would have otherwise thrown away? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: then you need to argue on THAT basis, and you'll not see any post from me | 02:05 |
| Woody14619 | At > 2 years post launch, I think that's pretty much the given at this point. | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | arguing "OC is safe as we don't know for sure"... MEH | 02:06 |
| MrPingu | Besides shorter life time of chip are there more considerable negative effects? | 02:06 |
| zeq_laptop | This reminds me, the very laptop I'm on a Dell Lattitude, from Dell comes with BIOS voltages above std values for the chip in order to reduce initial failure rates from marginally defective silicon! | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | no | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | MrPingu: ^^^ | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | shorter battery standby time maybe | 02:07 |
| Woody14619 | .oO(Now you're opening the door for "race to finish" debates... ;) | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | MrPingu: however chip usually doesn't cease to work, it just "segfaults" every more often | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: not really | 02:08 |
| Woody14619 | And/or nukes your flash data. | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | yep, that too | 02:08 |
| ds3 | are there currently any reliable source for replacement digitizers on the N900? | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | saremi | 02:08 |
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| Woody14619 | some would say OC would allow longer standby, as what work is being done finishes faster. | 02:08 |
| ds3 | saremi is a store/site/person? | 02:08 |
| MrPingu | Hmm, don't buy from phf (germany) | 02:09 |
| zeq_laptop | Woody14619: that there is actually some research on | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: I know "race to finish" concept | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | MrPingu: shop | 02:09 |
| Woody14619 | As do I. At least 2 tests were done (one by vi__, one by Titus) that shows the "optimal" speed near 500Mhz. | 02:09 |
| MrPingu | Yet, they are offering to pay back shippingcosts twice | 02:10 |
| Woody14619 | So, that's a good argument for a min-clock of 500. Though not one for overclock per-se. ;) | 02:10 |
| MrPingu | Though I have lost a bit of trust... | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: 500? surprise surprise ;-P | 02:11 |
| Woody14619 | Almost like it was designed to go that fast? ;) | 02:11 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/ <--- is this the site you are suggesting? | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | Woody14619: there's another aspect: thermal design | 02:12 |
| MrPingu | Thinking of just ignoring and buy it from saremi, like you suggested, doc | 02:12 |
| MrPingu | Or just hope I get a genuine one after this time... | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | all Nokia hw engineers warned us to lock CPU at even 600 | 02:12 |
| Woody14619 | Again, we're in violent agreement on this... :P | 02:12 |
| MrPingu | Or send it back, and ask for refund and then buy from saremi :P | 02:12 |
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| MrPingu | Choices, choices... :P | 02:13 |
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| Woody14619 | Except that, I say, if people want to OC, let them. Where you seem to say, don't bother with OC (or thumb, or other misc micro-enhacement) as it won't be used by the masses. | 02:13 |
| ds3 | whoa... $120 | 02:14 |
| Woody14619 | If that were the case, items like the N900 (and the GTA* series, and smart cars, and ....) wouldn't exist. | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | no, I hate it as I feel bad buying used N900 | 02:14 |
| ds3 | was there 2 entirely different releases of the N900? the 'original' N900 stuff do not match what I got | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | aI'm perfectly happy with somebody deliberatly frying his N900 @ 1.2GHz for numer crunching, as he needs his PIN for credit card | 02:15 |
| Woody14619 | I picked up a refurb from a Chinese distributer a couple months ago for about that... Old guts, new kb, case, stylus, battery, etc. | 02:16 |
| Woody14619 | No ds3... If the stats are not the same then it's a knockoff. | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I hate tose 'experts' suggesting Nokia and TI don't know shit and "WFM, since 7 months now!!!1!1!!1eleven" | 02:16 |
| Woody14619 | I don't think anyone actually involved in OC have ever said that... | 02:16 |
| MrPingu | Ds3, be aware there ARE fake digitizers | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | if you're aware and accepting you're frying your CPU by OC, go on do it if you think it's worth it | 02:17 |
| ds3 | Woody14619: the original USB cables I got had a different overmold then pictured... also I didn't get a micro to old style charger adapter... mine came from Dell so I wonder if the US had different stuff | 02:17 |
| Woody14619 | Why blame them for something a nerf says after locking their device on1100Mhz? | 02:17 |
| zeq_laptop | Am I the only one who thinks undervolting is more significant anyway? | 02:17 |
| ds3 | MrPingu: sigh. | 02:17 |
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| ds3 | I should just go learn to manufacture my own | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~oc | 02:17 |
| infobot | from memory, oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | ~omap-oc | 02:18 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 | 02:18 |
| Woody14619 | zeq_laptop: No... I agree, especially enabling SR1/SR2, which Nokia just didn't want to put the effort into to optimize. | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~factinfo oc | 02:18 |
| infobot | oc -- created by jameswf-home <n=james@ip72-204-221-181.ph.ph.cox.net> at Mon Feb 25 00:03:20 2008 (1576 days); it has been requested 13 times, last by DocScrutinizer06, 34s ago. | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~overclocking | 02:18 |
| infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" | 02:18 |
| Woody14619 | ds3: yes, the US one came with the converter (from Nokia USA anyway) | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | thanks apt! | 02:19 |
| MrPingu | As much as I like to hang aroun any longer here, I have to get some sleep | 02:19 |
| MrPingu | Bye! | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~botsnack | 02:19 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer06: :) | 02:19 |
| zeq_laptop | MrPingu: you're not alone ... goodnight | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | n8, now for real | 02:20 |
| Woody14619 | doc: I think really, since the package to install warns of just that, that it's a known.... | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | you'd start to wheep if you'd seen what I've, in this chan | 02:21 |
| zeq_laptop | Woody14619: I would agree, except why the hell does it go upto 1150?!? | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | don't assume any degree of stupidity at $user, you're underestimating | 02:22 |
| zeq_laptop | it really should be limited to something like 805. | 02:22 |
| ds3 | Hmmm | 02:22 |
| Woody14619 | again... If I put out the super-gizmo-app that lets you make your system X times faster at the cost of 1/X of it's life, and state that in the installer... It seems wrong to punish or rant becuase someone make X=99 for their device and then whines. | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | nobody rants | 02:23 |
| Woody14619 | zeq: And who decides that? You? Council? Technically, Nokia did decide that... at 600. | 02:23 |
| Woody14619 | doc: I disagree... scroll up... ;) | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | [20.06.2012 01:17:23] <DocScrutinizer06> if you're aware and accepting you're frying your CPU by OC, go on do it if you think it's worth it | 02:23 |
| zeq_laptop | Woody14619: it's so far out of spec for any random omap | 02:24 |
| Woody14619 | And again, it's part of the package install... it pops up a user UI that you must click OK on to install. | 02:24 |
| Woody14619 | zeq_laptop: And yet some can handle it... | 02:24 |
| zeq_laptop | for a while | 02:24 |
| Woody14619 | yup. | 02:24 |
| Woody14619 | Again.... X times the speed, 1/X times the life. | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ok, I (eben *I*) click OK so many times with just wondering what I did *after* I did | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | but I agree we can't do any better | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and no, I don't think it should be limited to XXX | 02:25 |
| Woody14619 | Trust me... I regular TMO.... I've seen the wailing when someone installs CSSU and wants out, not realizing they need to reflash to go back. | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I just hope everybody clearly mentions 2it *will* shorten your CPU lifetime by a probably remarkable timespan, but otherise it seems to work" | 02:26 |
| Woody14619 | Despite it being in the repo description, and the main package update, and the wiki, and... | 02:26 |
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| zeq_laptop | Woody14619: that's because it isn't from Nokia, so how can it be *official* | 02:27 |
| zeq_laptop | regarding CSSU | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | there's just too many fools out there that use primary scool math and physics to claim they *know* OC is SAFE | 02:28 |
| Woody14619 | And all the documentation pretty much does, as does the installer. Now, abill_uk, he'll argue till the death that it's 100%, but he also thinks Elop has cameras setup in his house spying on him to get new ideas for the new Maemo7 prototype due out next month... | 02:28 |
| * Woody14619 nods | 02:28 | |
| * Woody14619 shrieks: "There's someone on the internet, and their WRONG!" | 02:29 | |
| Woody14619 | they're | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | and me is a character that powers up the ICBM and MTHELs when reading that | 02:29 |
| zeq_laptop | Woody14619: better the first time :) | 02:29 |
| Woody14619 | http://xkcd.com/386/ | 02:30 |
| zeq_laptop | DocScrutinizer06: yet they won't listen, because they *know* | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | zeq_laptop: *sigh* I learnt you're right | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~xkcd | 02:31 |
| infobot | rumour has it, xkcd is http://xkcd.com/ or only the best webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math and language. | 02:31 |
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| Woody14619 | And on that note.... I'm off. Have a nice night/morning/whatever-damn-time-it-is-where-you're-at. | 02:31 |
| zeq_laptop | bye Woody14619 | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | nite fellas, I gotta design your next modem tomorrow | 02:31 |
| zeq_laptop | goodnight DocScrutinizer06 | 02:32 |
| Woody14619 | .oO(and by gone I mean away... because really, to close the IRC window.. such a bother...) | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | me mumbles "google U8500, novathor, lte" | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | http://www.stericsson.com/products/L8540.jsp | 02:38 |
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| brzys | hey guyz | 03:14 |
| brzys | im trying to mount img on my n900 but im getting an error: "mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument", any ideas? | 03:15 |
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| cehteh | how do you try that? | 03:25 |
| cehteh | filesystem not in kernel/ not loaded? | 03:25 |
| brzys | mount -o loop,offset=3225 slitaz.img .slitaz | 03:27 |
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| cehteh | brzys: give the filesystem type | 03:57 |
| cehteh | and modprobe the filesystem if you dont have so | 03:57 |
| cehteh | autodetection may work to but iirc you need -t auto at least then (and it can be unreliable in few cases) | 03:58 |
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| EdLin | somebody claimed that Nokia said in their shareholder minutes that maemo.org was going to get shut down, is anything being done about that? | 06:00 |
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| Sc0rpius | that's a fact indeed, and there's a thread in talk.maemo.org about it | 06:08 |
| LaoLang_cool | oh, bad news | 06:09 |
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| EdLin | Sc0rpius, if I got a nokia n900, as a sort of upgrade to my n810 and as a new device to hack with, would the repositories become shut down? | 06:09 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah, everything will be down | 06:09 |
| Sc0rpius | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84933 | 06:10 |
| EdLin | Sc0rpius, I assume I could just plug in the new repositories, are there mirrors yet? | 06:10 |
| Sc0rpius | read that thread | 06:10 |
| Sc0rpius | and who's paying | 06:10 |
| Sc0rpius | who will pay new repositories, new websites, new everything? | 06:10 |
| EdLin | Sc0rpius, it'd be possible to host the repositories somewhere, plenty of Linux distributions do this. | 06:10 |
| Sc0rpius | while nobody is paying, there's no solution. | 06:10 |
| Sc0rpius | you can start reading the whole thread first, understanding it, and then post your comment and ideas there. | 06:11 |
| EdLin | Do I have to? Lots of trolls on TMO. :) | 06:11 |
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| EdLin | I already read the first couple of pages. | 06:12 |
| EdLin | what I don't see is anyone stepping forward to try to find mirrors who'll take the maemo repos. | 06:12 |
| Sc0rpius | well | 06:13 |
| EdLin | unfortunately I haven't been in academia for a long time, or I'd have the connections neccesary to arrange it. | 06:13 |
| Sc0rpius | it's not that easy that's why I'm pointing to the thread | 06:13 |
| EdLin | but someone is. | 06:13 |
| Sc0rpius | Nokia should sell the domains, because if you create new repos, people at talk.maemo.org and this channel will find out, but we're only like 1% of the MAemo users worldwide. | 06:13 |
| Sc0rpius | and the other 99% can't be fucked up like that | 06:13 |
| Sc0rpius | so the domain names should be kept identical | 06:14 |
| EdLin | there are non-enthusiasts who use the n900? | 06:14 |
| Sc0rpius | if there are 500,000 N900 users in the world, only 1,000 go to maemo.org | 06:14 |
| Sc0rpius | I have found many N900 users and never heard about maemo.org | 06:14 |
| EdLin | as for Nokia selling the domains, look at what the MS-owned-and-operated management did with the N9 and consider the chances that they would avoid fucking us over. | 06:15 |
| EdLin | I mean, it won't hurt to ask. | 06:15 |
| EdLin | but don't count on it. | 06:15 |
| Sc0rpius | that's what the council is for | 06:15 |
| EdLin | well, does the council appear to have that on their agenda? | 06:16 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't know you can ask Estel when he's around (he usually is) | 06:16 |
| Sc0rpius | but I think that has been addressed in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84647 | 06:17 |
| EdLin | I'm concerned that one day my n810 will be inoperative, and until I heard this news, was considering switching to an n900. But if nobody seems interested in doing anything but moving on to bigger or better things.... | 06:17 |
| Sc0rpius | you don't have an N900?¿ | 06:18 |
| ShadowJK | I currently have 2 working N900s | 06:18 |
| Sc0rpius | I wouldn't suggest anyone TODAY to get one, or an N9, or any other already-dropped-and-forgotten Nokia | 06:18 |
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| Sc0rpius | and anyway there's no place left to buy one hehe | 06:19 |
| ShadowJK | As N810 replacement, N900 is fine. | 06:19 |
| ShadowJK | Depends what aspects of N810 you like | 06:19 |
| EdLin | Sc0rpius, I have an n810, considering getting an n900 on eBay. | 06:19 |
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| EdLin | ShadowJK, I like that it's like a small Linux computer, rather than a locked down phone thingie. | 06:19 |
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| ShadowJK | N9 is a bit locked down, N900 is like "install rootshell from app manager, type root in x-terminal", and you've got full access | 06:20 |
| EdLin | ShadowJK, so I hear, that's why I want a n900 rather than an n9. Price also plays a role, ebay sells n900s more in my budget range. | 06:21 |
| Sc0rpius | :S | 06:22 |
| EdLin | but if the repos will go belly-under, with everyone doing nothing but whine about it, I think I'll stick to hacking my HD2 with various closed sorts of operating systems. | 06:22 |
| Sc0rpius | N900 is already 5 years old | 06:22 |
| EdLin | no, it's from 2009. | 06:22 |
| Sc0rpius | well, 3 years old, that's a lot for a phone | 06:22 |
| EdLin | true. | 06:22 |
| ShadowJK | December 2009 | 06:23 |
| EdLin | but nothing else has come along like it. | 06:23 |
| Sc0rpius | true... | 06:23 |
| Sc0rpius | and never will | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | maemo.org has guaranteed funding until end of year, iirc | 06:23 |
| Sc0rpius | the world is not ready for 100% OpenSource OSes yet. The world is not ready for not making tons and tons of money selling a phone | 06:23 |
| EdLin | that's 6 months. | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | And there are more than one person doing daily mirrors of it... | 06:24 |
| EdLin | ShadowJK, that's nice to hear. | 06:24 |
| ShadowJK | it works on 12 month cycles, iirc | 06:24 |
| ShadowJK | People disappear on vacation in June, return in September-ish and start looking at what to fund | 06:24 |
| ShadowJK | or something like that | 06:25 |
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| EdLin | ShadowJK, yeah, Europeans have real vacations. ;-) | 06:25 |
| EdLin | here you're part of the ruling class if you get 2 weeks. | 06:26 |
| ShadowJK | Well it's that northern europe starts in June, and southern europe starts in septemner, so it takes until october until you can expect nobody to be missing | 06:26 |
| EdLin | I see. | 06:26 |
| EdLin | so that means, assuming 6 months notice, we can probably assume maemo devices will have working repos until April of next year. | 06:28 |
| EdLin | that gives the council plenty of time to work with the community to find an alternative, instead of saying not to worry about it. | 06:29 |
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| luke-jr | Sc0rpius: Think N900 will one day run a 100% open source OS? :P | 07:21 |
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| kerio | luke-jr: well, CSSU is getting pretty close, isn't it | 08:49 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: doubt it, but I don't really follow CSSU | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | kerio: Maemo was only like 40% open source to begin with; replacing most of the system doesn't seem so trivial | 08:50 |
| kerio | yeah but that's what they've been doing :) | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | and there's stuff like the GLES drivers that are huge efforts to recreate | 08:51 |
| kerio | anyway, the n900 is from 2009 but it was outdated at launch | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | yeah, nothing better yet tho :/ | 08:51 |
| kerio | yeah :( | 08:51 |
| kerio | i really hate the fact that i'm probably just going to get a galaxy s3 | 08:52 |
| kerio | and deal with the awful OS | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | I really hope I win a N950 | 08:52 |
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| LaoLang_cool | /j #vim | 08:57 |
| kerio | LaoLang_cool: wrong editor | 08:57 |
| LaoLang_cool | kerio, I really like it on n900 | 08:59 |
| kerio | but... emacs! :c | 08:59 |
| LaoLang_cool | kerio, heh, vim is the only reason I choose n900 | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | but nano | 09:04 |
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| zeq_laptop | never mind, it's a libtelepathy-qt4 change that's causing the build failure | 10:17 |
| zeq_laptop | *sigh* where did qt-mobility-1.14 even come from? http://get.qt.nokia.com/qt/add-ons/ has the latest 1.1 version @1.1.3... git checkout I suppose... | 10:26 |
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| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: seems like libqtm-11 isn't maintained anymore, last commit from from September last year, and it no longer compiles against our current version of libtelepathy-qt4. I could fix it, but should I just concentrate on libqtm-12 instead? Is there any reason for the non-modular packaging with libqtm-12? | 10:41 |
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| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I've successfully built both now. While I'm working on this, should I change the packaging for libqtm12 to match libqtm11, and/or update the libqtm12 snapshot? | 11:20 |
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| teotwaki | Why never? | 12:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | The slashdot link. | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Microsofts aspiration to be a hardware maker too. | 12:43 |
| teotwaki | I don't believe that, even if I have to rip out the HCM with my teeth and solder the shit out of my mobo so that I can run whatever I want, that's what I'll do. | 12:43 |
| teotwaki | Heck, I'm fairly sure that the same way we've got geeks making makerbots, we'll see alternate companies, small time, sure, but making mobos and whatnot that can run anything we want | 12:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | The problem then arises that the CPU is only sold with the trusted module installed. | 12:44 |
| SpeedEvil | And at best - if you can get 'blank' CPUs - you have to replace it. | 12:44 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can't, then you're faced with a brick. | 12:45 |
| teotwaki | Yeah, I don't see that happening | 12:46 |
| teotwaki | Even if Shuttleworth has to throw all his money at that lawsuit, he will. | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | It's already almost there. Some CPUs already pretty much support this. | 12:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | err - what? | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not illegal,if there are two hardware makers, as there isn't an anti-trust issue | 12:47 |
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| teotwaki | no, but we can sue them for preventing us from doing what we want with it. | 12:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Two locked-down hardware makers - apple/microsoft - are quite legal. | 12:47 |
| SpeedEvil | And lose. | 12:47 |
| SpeedEvil | You don't have to buy either tablet. | 12:47 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, a third maker could startup. | 12:47 |
| teotwaki | Oh, I don't care about the tablet | 12:47 |
| SpeedEvil | By tablet, I mean 'computing device' | 12:48 |
| teotwaki | Well, I don't buy into all the whole FUD that goes around this time of year | 12:50 |
| teotwaki | GNU/Linux was developed to break free from the autocracy of Unix. I'm fairly certain we can do it a second time. | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Hardware is a problem. | 12:51 |
| teotwaki | No, it's not. | 12:51 |
| teotwaki | Look at the hardware we have today, seriously. | 12:51 |
| teotwaki | We could run the same hardware for the next ten years, and not give a flying fuck. | 12:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | If the end user cannoy purchase new hardware - your project has failed. | 12:51 |
| SpeedEvil | As a mass market idea. | 12:52 |
| teotwaki | I'm not saying that's what is going to happen | 12:52 |
| teotwaki | I'm just saying, Amiga is still around, heck, you still find forums for Apple II hobbyists, I doubt you can still buy the hardware. | 12:52 |
| teotwaki | And quite frankly, I don't _believe_ in the hardware apocalypse as it being told right now. | 12:53 |
| teotwaki | Fuck, I'll start a hardware company if need be. | 12:53 |
| SpeedEvil | To make a compelling entry into the tablet/laptop market, you are going to need >>10 million, if you do it from scratch. | 12:54 |
| teotwaki | That's not really a problem. | 12:55 |
| SpeedEvil | And that assumes you can get components. | 12:55 |
| teotwaki | 10M is nothing. | 12:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Where compelling = a couple of years old | 12:55 |
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| vi_ | SpeedEvil: I will just run vintage hardware forever then. | 12:57 |
| vi_ | They cannot take my P4 back. | 12:58 |
| vi_ | Vim is not getting any heavier. | 12:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Until it dies. | 12:58 |
| teotwaki | yeah, I'm pretty sure eBay will disappear the day Microsoft goes Evil. | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | The above is somewhat pessimistic. | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It neglects for example chinese tabletmakers, and android. | 12:59 |
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| teotwaki | I don't believe for a single second that Microsoft is going to abandon the OEMs | 12:59 |
| teotwaki | I just _don't_. | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | But if microsoft + apple could get to the point that they integrate the hardware makers, and manage to capture most of the market - things just got a lot less flexible. | 13:00 |
| teotwaki | That's speculative bollocks, funded on nothing but a tin foil hat that's squeezed on a little too tight, and blocking the blood from reaching the brain. | 13:00 |
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| teotwaki | But Microsoft doesn't want that. | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | And several years ago, the notion that you cannot run your own programs on a computer would seem very tin-foil-hattish | 13:00 |
| teotwaki | Wait, I can't run my own programs on my computer? | 13:01 |
| teotwaki | OH LORD, I'VE BEEN LIVING A LIE! | 13:01 |
| teotwaki | anyway | 13:01 |
| teotwaki | lunch | 13:01 |
| teotwaki | 'later | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Not on an apple computer, in many instances, without paying tax. | 13:01 |
| vi_ | I can confirm this. | 13:12 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: not on an iphone | 13:16 |
| kerio | which is *far* from being a computer | 13:16 |
| kerio | for instance, you can't run your own programs on it, without paying a tax | 13:17 |
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| vi_ | kerio: a iphone IS a computer. | 13:29 |
| kerio | vi_: it's a fucking phone | 13:29 |
| kerio | a n900 is a computer | 13:30 |
| vi_ | A locked down box with no controls and a fancy pants UI but a computer none the less. | 13:30 |
| mgedmin | this is like discussing whether a tree makes a sound when it falls down in a forest with nobody to hear | 13:30 |
| mgedmin | it depends on how you define "sound" -- or "computer" | 13:31 |
| kerio | if a tree falls down in a forest, and apple forces you to pay money to develop for it, is it really a computer? | 13:31 |
| kerio | no, wait | 13:31 |
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| vi_ | It must be an engineer thing to see things for what they are then. | 13:34 |
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| Lava_Croft | you know whats so funny about apple | 13:42 |
| Lava_Croft | i know tons of people who in their field are quite hacker-esque | 13:42 |
| Lava_Croft | say, create they own tools, edit stuff they bought and make it more to their liking | 13:43 |
| Lava_Croft | but when it comes to computers and mobiles, they all of a sudden happily embrace being locked down | 13:43 |
| Lava_Croft | and when confronted with this odd difference, they just shrug it off | 13:43 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: the iphone is fucking horrible, and the mac pro is kinda meh | 13:47 |
| kerio | i mean, it's neat, but nothing really special | 13:47 |
| Lava_Croft | iphone is pretty special | 13:48 |
| kerio | but the imac is still the best all-in-one desktop | 13:48 |
| Lava_Croft | since its really good at the few things it can do | 13:48 |
| kerio | and their laptops are fucking awesome | 13:48 |
| Lava_Croft | better than nokia or samsung is at these few simple things | 13:48 |
| Lava_Croft | but only for those very few things | 13:48 |
| chem|st | Lava_Croft: you never had a phone doing those simple things better than iphone...? even my old sony blasts some iphone "features" still | 13:57 |
| Lava_Croft | too bad sony never sold more than 10 phones | 13:57 |
| Lava_Croft | while people buy silly iphone after silly overpriced iphone | 13:58 |
| Lava_Croft | so reality begs to differ | 13:58 |
| Sc0rpius | people buy iPhone to say they "can" buy an iPhone, it's like an status thing | 13:58 |
| Sc0rpius | like "I have more money than you, look, I drive a Ferrari and I have an iPhone" | 13:58 |
| Lava_Croft | not with the iphone users i know | 13:58 |
| Lava_Croft | they just want shit that works and feels solid | 13:59 |
| Sc0rpius | it's not because the phone is better than other options | 13:59 |
| Lava_Croft | but thats the point, it is | 13:59 |
| Lava_Croft | both software and hardware | 13:59 |
| Sc0rpius | not to me | 13:59 |
| chem|st | owning an iphone is like having 1000+ friends on facebook, status... | 13:59 |
| Lava_Croft | not to me either | 13:59 |
| Sc0rpius | to me an iPhone is pure crap | 13:59 |
| Lava_Croft | thats why im here | 13:59 |
| Lava_Croft | its not pure crap to me, im not a liar | 13:59 |
| Lava_Croft | crap is what samsung makes | 13:59 |
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| Sc0rpius | I'd rather get a Galaxy S than an iPhone | 13:59 |
| chem|st | Lava_Croft: it is not in terms of software nore in terms of hardware | 13:59 |
| Lava_Croft | and just about any other android OEM | 13:59 |
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| Sc0rpius | oh well I love Samsung | 13:59 |
| Sc0rpius | all my TVs are Samsung and hell they are way better than Sonys | 13:59 |
| chem|st | Lava_Croft: nokia holds the position of best cameraphone for ages now | 13:59 |
| Lava_Croft | i should have know better than to say anything positive regarding iphones | 14:00 |
| Lava_Croft | you always get bitter nerds | 14:00 |
| Lava_Croft | have a nice day! | 14:00 |
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| Sc0rpius | :S | 14:00 |
| Lava_Croft | (and im a n900/n9 user) | 14:00 |
| Sc0rpius | funny thing I'm in a rock band how come I am a nerd | 14:00 |
| chem|st | Sc0rpius: that is because samsung has the best displays, in terms of smartTV they need to improve alot, in terms of 3D they need to improve a lot more! | 14:00 |
| Sc0rpius | I love those SmartTVs | 14:01 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't have one though | 14:01 |
| Sc0rpius | I have normal Samsung LCD TVs | 14:01 |
| Sc0rpius | not even LED | 14:01 |
| chem|st | Lava_Croft: bitter nerds? I could buy an iphone or two... but I just don't want this shit... | 14:01 |
| Sc0rpius | well my Apple hate is much deeper than that and more ancient | 14:02 |
| Lava_Croft | stay bitter | 14:02 |
| Lava_Croft | being bitter is very productive | 14:02 |
| chem|st | Sc0rpius: I have one, tested the newest gen as well | 14:02 |
| Sc0rpius | the only product Apple did absolutely right was the Apple ][c | 14:02 |
| Sc0rpius | and even then, the C64 was better. | 14:02 |
| Sc0rpius | Steve Jobs has alwasy been a fucking asshole that's why destiny, the devil, or maybe God punished him | 14:03 |
| Lava_Croft | you sound mentally disturbed | 14:03 |
| Lava_Croft | really | 14:03 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm full of hate | 14:03 |
| Sc0rpius | that's all | 14:03 |
| kerio | Sc0rpius: yeah, he totally deserved liver cancer, right | 14:03 |
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| Lava_Croft | watch starwars | 14:03 |
| kerio | i don't even | 14:03 |
| Lava_Croft | theres a green midget in there with some sound advice | 14:03 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't know if he deserved it, but there's a saying where I come from that goes something like (it's hard in english) "if you act bad, bad things will happen to you" | 14:04 |
| chem|st | Sc0rpius: for artists there is much more "good" in apple than anywhere else, but that is the same with windows then... if those companies would migrate to linux noone would talk about microsoft or apple after 20years from now, apart from once upon a time.... | 14:04 |
| kerio | Sc0rpius: so... you're saying he deserved it | 14:04 |
| Sc0rpius | Lava_Croft, you really sound like an Apple lover | 14:04 |
| Lava_Croft | Sc0rpius: yes i dont mindlessly hate on apple | 14:04 |
| Sc0rpius | what's good in Apple? just myths | 14:04 |
| Sc0rpius | for example | 14:04 |
| Lava_Croft | so i must be an apple lover, right | 14:04 |
| Sc0rpius | there's a myth that a Mac is better for graphics design and stuff | 14:04 |
| Lava_Croft | this is exactly the mindset that ruins communities like these | 14:04 |
| Sc0rpius | that's so wrong that there isn't even Photoshop 64 bits for Macs | 14:05 |
| Lava_Croft | you hate so much on what is not your community/device | 14:05 |
| Lava_Croft | in an attempt to make your own look better | 14:05 |
| chem|st | Lava_Croft: I do not say this and that is the best, but all apple fanboys tell apple is the best... | 14:05 |
| Lava_Croft | but imagine that some vacuum cleaner salesman comes at your door | 14:05 |
| chem|st | and it isn't | 14:05 |
| Lava_Croft | and instead of tell you how awesome his vacuum cleaner is | 14:05 |
| chem|st | it is not even close to | 14:05 |
| Sc0rpius | well I'm the first one that always say NO to people that come here asking if they should get an N900 | 14:05 |
| kerio | Sc0rpius: you mean except photoshop cs5 | 14:05 |
| Lava_Croft | he starts to tell you how bad your current one is | 14:05 |
| Lava_Croft | thats a rather bad sales tactic | 14:05 |
| chem|st | it is what attracts dumb people | 14:05 |
| Lava_Croft | certainly when im already using the device you love so much | 14:05 |
| chem|st | like whatsapp for example | 14:05 |
| Sc0rpius | Lava_Croft, I could care less if you use an N9 N900 or an Android phone | 14:05 |
| Sc0rpius | but if you use Apple, you should be hated | 14:05 |
| chem|st | people jump on the bandwagon | 14:06 |
| Sc0rpius | by anyone, anywhere. | 14:06 |
| Lava_Croft | stay bitter | 14:06 |
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| Sc0rpius | :) | 14:06 |
| kerio | Sc0rpius: i would totally agree with you | 14:06 |
| kerio | except for the fact THAT THEY MAKE THE BEST LAPTOPS | 14:06 |
| Sc0rpius | but it's true what I said, Apple has just "fame" but they are not better in anything than other options. | 14:06 |
| kerio | nothing comes anywhere *close* | 14:06 |
| Sc0rpius | to a Macbook? | 14:07 |
| kerio | yep | 14:07 |
| Sc0rpius | I have had Asus laptops way better than any Macbook | 14:07 |
| kerio | i'm sure you tried many | 14:07 |
| Sc0rpius | like the beautiful Asus Zenbook Prime | 14:07 |
| Sc0rpius | way thinner than a Macbook | 14:08 |
| Sc0rpius | way lighter | 14:08 |
| Sc0rpius | way faster | 14:08 |
| Sc0rpius | and way cheaper. | 14:08 |
| kerio | ...and 13" at most | 14:08 |
| kerio | that's a netbook | 14:08 |
| kerio | don't be ridiculous | 14:08 |
| Sc0rpius | netbook with an i7? | 14:08 |
| Sc0rpius | don't think so. | 14:08 |
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| Sc0rpius | just 1.3 kgs, SSD drive, it's beautiful | 14:09 |
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| chem|st | kerio: wrong again, the best laptop suits your needs and costs about 600eur, imagine the hardware you get for those 2k you would spend on a powerbook | 14:09 |
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| Sc0rpius | that's the point | 14:09 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't wanna spend 2 grand | 14:09 |
| kerio | chem|st: i'm sure i can get a 2880x1800 monitor, 7 hours of battery life on a 600€ laptop | 14:09 |
| joga | aren't the new macbooks basically impenetrable blobs of cost-a-lot that can't be fixed in rational ways | 14:12 |
| chem|st | kerio: you are nuts! | 14:12 |
| kerio | joga: yeah, ifixit called them "the least repairable macbook pro ever" | 14:12 |
| chem|st | kerio: what do you need that resolution for on a 13" laptop | 14:12 |
| kerio | chem|st: 15 | 14:12 |
| chem|st | or even 15? | 14:12 |
| kerio | idk, to do shit | 14:13 |
| chem|st | kerio: you don't know is exactly the right answere | 14:13 |
| kerio | indeed | 14:13 |
| Sc0rpius | which Macbook is that because the Apple Macbook Pro 15" is just 1366x768 | 14:13 |
| kerio | otoh, every time i moved to a monitor with a higher resolution, i enjoyed it more | 14:13 |
| kerio | Sc0rpius: the "retina" one | 14:13 |
| chem|st | selling stuff to people overpriced which the do not need is reflecting a good marketing | 14:14 |
| kerio | chem|st: is resolution *bad* now? | 14:14 |
| kerio | you're the kind of person to blame for monitor stagnation | 14:14 |
| kerio | the most you can get is fucking 1080p now, even for desktop monitors | 14:14 |
| kerio | chem|st: why do you need a quadcore? why do you need an ssd? | 14:15 |
| Sc0rpius | well at least a hybrid | 14:15 |
| Sc0rpius | but I don't think I need more than 1920x1080 | 14:15 |
| chem|st | kerio: I have a 40" TV on my desk... and would love to have 3840x2160 sure but it is not needed! | 14:15 |
| kerio | Sc0rpius: 1920x1200 (on a 17") is beginning to feel a bit cramped here, actually | 14:15 |
| chem|st | some like 2400x1400 would be fair enough | 14:16 |
| Sc0rpius | I have a 21" | 14:16 |
| Sc0rpius | or 22" | 14:16 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't use laptops | 14:16 |
| Sc0rpius | just desktops and netbooks | 14:16 |
| Sc0rpius | I have two monitors in this desktop, the first one with W7 and the second one with Ubuntu in a VM | 14:16 |
| chem|st | my netbook could use some mor in Y but it is just a 10" screen... | 14:16 |
| Sc0rpius | I can't live without both OS *at the same time* | 14:17 |
| Sc0rpius | my netbook has lubuntu which is incredibly fast. | 14:17 |
| Sc0rpius | if you have a netbook please format it and install that | 14:17 |
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| chem|st | Sc0rpius: never ever! have debian from scratch with ion3 on my netbook... | 14:18 |
| Sc0rpius | that's too slow | 14:19 |
| chem|st | you think | 14:19 |
| Sc0rpius | yup, try lubuntu in a flash drive (without touching your OS installed) | 14:19 |
| Sc0rpius | and you'll see the difference | 14:19 |
| chem|st | I get 5hours of videoplayback out of it and still have 30minutes left reading from the batterymeter | 14:20 |
| Sc0rpius | ion3 hasn't been updated since 2009 I think | 14:20 |
| Sc0rpius | well that's good | 14:20 |
| kerio | i'm using debian with openbox here | 14:20 |
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| kerio | i'm not convinced i could learn how to use a tiling wm :s | 14:21 |
| Sc0rpius | it's for keyboard fans | 14:21 |
| Sc0rpius | you don't even need to use the mouse | 14:21 |
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| chem|st | kerio: quick search gives me a sony vaio for 900eur 15.5" 1920x1080 which is more than enough for that size | 14:24 |
| r00t|home | i use a tiling windowmanager and a mouse | 14:24 |
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| kerio | chem|st: i'm glad that you hold the truth regarding screen sizes and resolutions | 14:25 |
| kerio | otoh, *i'm a bit cramped with 1920x1200* | 14:25 |
| r00t|home | the correlation between tiling and mouse-usage is only in user personalities... from a usage point of view, both non-tiling WMs can be operated with keyboard and tiling ones with mouse | 14:25 |
| kerio | so 1080p is most definetely not enough | 14:25 |
| chem|st | r00t|home: no mouse otg... and I dare you telling me to use that 2x4cm touchpad on my netbook... | 14:25 |
| chem|st | kerio: for 15"? | 14:25 |
| chem|st | it is | 14:26 |
| Sc0rpius | I wonder what kind of eyes you have because @ 1920x1080 I have to zoom all the fonts like 2x or 3x their size | 14:26 |
| Sc0rpius | or I start having headaches, and yes I wear glasses | 14:26 |
| kerio | Sc0rpius: the kind that hasn't been destroyed by old age yet | 14:26 |
| Sc0rpius | I see. | 14:26 |
| Sc0rpius | so you're younger than 40? | 14:26 |
| kerio | yep | 14:26 |
| Sc0rpius | that explains it. | 14:26 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: fennec build failed again because the mozilla configure doesn't use pkg-config for qt, but instead assumes all qt libs and includes are installed at QTDIR. I'll convert it to use pkg-config when I get home. | 14:48 |
| freemangordon | zeq: ok. BTW I still fail to see why did you play wtih qtm11/12 | 14:50 |
| freemangordon | what was missing in 1.0.2? | 14:50 |
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| zeq | freemangordon: it uses a few APIs not present in 1.0. I don't have the details of which particulars to hand though. | 15:04 |
| freemangordon | aaah, ok | 15:04 |
| freemangordon | zeq, the proper way to use qtm11/12 is to add config += mobility11(12) in .pro file | 15:05 |
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| Macer | SO | 15:08 |
| Macer | how are you eu members feeling about germany leading a 1T bailout of the EU? | 15:09 |
| Macer | they said $1T on the local news.. is it actually 1T euros? | 15:09 |
| Macer | germany is probably paying it with cash money | 15:09 |
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| Raimu | Nah, gold. | 15:34 |
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| chem|st | Macer: there is only 890Beurs available printed... afair, how would they pash that amount cash? | 15:45 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: you ought to shift your hands into some direction on your keyboard, or you didn't have your coffee yet :P | 15:46 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: I just recognized... | 15:46 |
| chem|st | talking to somewone while looking at him and typing at the same time... does not work well | 15:47 |
| chem|st | and coffee is a good point... off to the machine! | 15:48 |
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| Macer | haha | 15:49 |
| Macer | really? only 890B? | 15:50 |
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| vi_ | annoyed. | 15:55 |
| vi_ | Why is Germany bailing everyone out yet? | 15:55 |
| vi_ | ^yet/now | 15:55 |
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| vi_ | The only good thing I have seen come out of the EU is the no tax when buying somthing from an EU country, free(ish) movement when moving between member states and the harmonisation of micro USB as a standard phone charger. | 15:57 |
| vi_ | Fuck all their other retard rules. | 15:57 |
| vi_ | Anti-tampering motorcycle legislation can fuck off for example. | 15:57 |
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| chem|st | vi_: the fsck-off situation is that if euro-zone brakes most of the losses have to be paid by germany | 16:21 |
| teotwaki | I love the "mandatory ABS" on all new bikes thingie. | 16:23 |
| teotwaki | Because manufacturers will be forced to provide it | 16:24 |
| teotwaki | They'll do it at lowest possible cost | 16:24 |
| teotwaki | What we'll end up with are adventure/dirt bikes that are impossible to use, because the manufacturer didn't provide a way to turn off the ABS when needed. | 16:24 |
| freemangordon | WTF? mandatory ABS on bikes? hehe, those guys in EU parlament are crazy. | 16:26 |
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| vi_ | teotwaki: so you hve heard of the dumbass rules to come? | 16:31 |
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| vi_ | mandatory hi-vis. | 16:32 |
| teotwaki | yeah | 16:32 |
| teotwaki | I don't care. | 16:32 |
| vi_ | Gonnae look great on my cruiser with wizards airbrushed in the tank. | 16:32 |
| vi_ | (i dont have a cruiser) | 16:32 |
| teotwaki | The same way they've been "forcing" me to add reflective material to my mate helmet. | 16:33 |
| vi_ | wtf is a mate helmet? | 16:33 |
| vi_ | Is that a helmet for mating? | 16:33 |
| vi_ | Are they making you hi-vis your dong, bro? | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | wtf abs on a bikes? | 16:34 |
| merlin1991 | -a | 16:34 |
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| vi_ | merlin1991: MOTORbikes | 16:34 |
| merlin1991 | vi_: that makes a lot more sense | 16:34 |
| merlin1991 | on the other hand do we have mandatory abs on cars? | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | ie my car doesn't have abs :D | 16:35 |
| vi_ | Also no modification of anything from the 'powertrain'. | 16:35 |
| vi_ | That is from the air filter to the sprocket at the back. | 16:35 |
| vi_ | Imagine the iphone of Mbikes if you will. | 16:36 |
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| vi_ | You can 'own' it as such, but you cannot 'use' it. | 16:36 |
| vi_ | merlin1991: neither does mine, however my car is about 1 step from being a rolling skip. | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | merlin1991: abs on bikes is a lot more usefull thing than on a car | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | merlin1991: if your wheel lock on a bike that's it | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | locks* | 16:37 |
| vi_ | jacekowski: have you seen speedway? | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | what that has to do with it | 16:38 |
| merlin1991 | dunno my 106 gets quite some rotation when I make an emergency stop | 16:38 |
| merlin1991 | 50 to 0 in minumum time has me facing 90° different than before I start breaking | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | fix your brakes | 16:39 |
| vi_ | Well in the UK we have 1 minister who rides a bike and he has allegedly been the voice of reason. He has been arguing for concessions such as not including the whole ODB2 thing and 'turn-off-able' ABS. | 16:39 |
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| jacekowski | vi_: well, i don't think it should be mandatory | 16:39 |
| vi_ | merlin1991: your car sounds as safe as mine. | 16:39 |
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| jacekowski | but i think abs on a bike is a good thing | 16:39 |
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| vi_ | jacekowski: The OPTION of ABS on a bike can only be seen as good. | 16:40 |
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| jacekowski | i would rather not have abs on car than on a bike | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | on a car you have much higher chance of recovering from locked wheels | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | vi_: how old is yours? (mine is 10 years old) | 16:40 |
| vi_ | pre ODB | 16:41 |
| vi_ | 14 years | 16:41 |
| vi_ | only 60000 miles | 16:41 |
| vi_ | Has a worn ring. | 16:41 |
| vi_ | Smokes like a 2-stroke bike. | 16:41 |
| vi_ | But it does have a GNU sticker on the back and that makes it at least 1 more horse power. | 16:42 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 16:42 |
| chem|st | Windsurfen für Einsteiger | 16:43 |
| chem|st | oops | 16:43 |
| vi_ | My bike however is a 1985 XT600. | 16:43 |
| vi_ | It is a work of beauty. | 16:43 |
| vi_ | A 2 wheeled tractor if you will. | 16:43 |
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| chem|st | vi_: I learned riding on one of those | 16:45 |
| vi_ | !!! | 16:45 |
| vi_ | They are very popular in Germany. | 16:45 |
| vi_ | In fact the best XT600 forum on the net is entirely in German :( | 16:45 |
| vi_ | chem|st: you have one? | 16:46 |
| chem|st | a coworker has one and I might have access to the one I started with | 16:46 |
| vi_ | chem|st: do you know what year it is? | 16:47 |
| chem|st | I would buy it but the owner loves to have it | 16:47 |
| chem|st | 85 I think | 16:47 |
| vi_ | !! | 16:47 |
| vi_ | Same as mine! | 16:47 |
| vi_ | Yippee. | 16:48 |
| chem|st | or 84 I think it was 18 when I started with | 16:48 |
| vi_ | The XT600-43f. Apparently the engine is good for 200000 miles if you take care of it. | 16:48 |
| vi_ | 84 was the first year they made it. | 16:48 |
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| vi_ | The 83 version was the XT600Z tenere. | 16:49 |
| chem|st | have no clue about it, I have 2 Ducs | 16:49 |
| vi_ | chem|st: you have my attention... | 16:49 |
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| chem|st | vi_: hehe | 16:49 |
| chem|st | "what else do you have in the warehouse?" | 16:50 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: the characters that are riding those bikes are not the same type as those that drive the cars ;). Plus removing of the ABS will as simple as cutting the 2 wires from the sensor :) | 16:50 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: assuming your onboard ECU does not go 'WTF????MY ABS??? SHUTDOWN NOW!' | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | naah, no way | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | imagine if that happens while you're riding | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | noone will risk that, it is the same now with the cars | 16:52 |
| chem|st | vi_: a Triumph SpeedTripple, 2 Ducs Paso 907ie, a BMW100s-sidewagon, a Bimota Tesi2 and a Münch4Mammuth are ready to ride atm | 16:52 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: yes, the bike goes into emergancy mode and shutsdown. | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | shutdown the engine? | 16:52 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: not immediatley. | 16:52 |
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| chem|st | vi_: did you get a reply to your mail yet? | 16:53 |
| freemangordon | vi_: I refuse to believe the ECU will shut down because of the faulty sensor. | 16:54 |
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| freemangordon | it might go into a failsafe mode though | 16:54 |
| chem|st | freemangordon: hopefully | 16:54 |
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| freemangordon | and failsafe in terms of ABS and brakes is ... guess what, brakes with no ABS | 16:55 |
| vi_ | chem|st: No. | 16:55 |
| teotwaki | no, failsafe of faulty ABS is lockdown. | 16:55 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: I think you are optimistic as to what the EU want to inflict on us. | 16:55 |
| flux | I was under the impression you can disable ABS from most cars by unplugging a fuse? | 16:56 |
| freemangordon | teotwaki: at least that is what happens on the cars, 90 perceon of taxies herein Sofia are with faulty ABS | 16:56 |
| teotwaki | flux: some, most now need intervention on the circuitry. | 16:56 |
| chem|st | vi_: the next they want me to wear proper helmets... like the italians | 16:56 |
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| teotwaki | freemangordon: except the ABS sensor on a bike is a lot more prone to breakage -- unless you're on a beemer, those things are not made to take hits. | 16:57 |
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| vi_ | chem|st: ? But you already wear a helmet. | 16:57 |
| chem|st | vi_: sure... | 16:57 |
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| freemangordon | teotwaki: sure thing, but noone can prevent an access to the sensor wiring | 16:58 |
| freemangordon | for the enough hard-trying biker | 16:58 |
| chem|st | and my helmet is a state of the art italian proof 290eur shoei... | 16:58 |
| teotwaki | 290 is cheap | 16:58 |
| chem|st | it is my head for god sake! | 16:58 |
| chem|st | teotwaki: yeah they are usualy 340eur | 16:59 |
| teotwaki | I mean, 300euro price range is cheap for a decent helmet | 16:59 |
| teotwaki | 300 gives you mid-range. | 16:59 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: wrong, it is EU's head :P | 16:59 |
| chem|st | I foundone without design on | 16:59 |
| teotwaki | state of the art is 800. | 16:59 |
| chem|st | teotwaki: I do not know where you buy helmets but the commonly bet helmets are in a range of 290-390eurs over here... | 17:00 |
| teotwaki | yes, and that's mid range :) | 17:00 |
| chem|st | put a design on it and they cost 450eur... | 17:00 |
| teotwaki | design shouldn't cost you a penny if you purchase it at the right place | 17:01 |
| chem|st | teotwaki: then why are you paying 800eurs for a helmet which has technology inside you get for 450? | 17:01 |
| teotwaki | this is mine http://www.helmetcity.com/page/HC/PROD/scorpion-fullface-helmets/exo1100-matte-black | 17:02 |
| chem|st | the cheap ones over here are like 130eur | 17:02 |
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| teotwaki | In terms of quality, it's miles away from http://www.helmetcity.com/page/HC/PROD/700-799helmet/araicorsairvblackfrost | 17:03 |
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| vi_ | I want an arai xd3 | 17:05 |
| vi_ | But they cost about 2/3 the value of my bike. | 17:06 |
| chem|st | my head shape does not fit arai... | 17:07 |
| chem|st | I stick with the RF 1100 | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | teotwaki: you're at RIM? | 17:10 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: the idiots who make BlackBerry? | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I thouhjt so, yes | 17:10 |
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| teotwaki | No fucking way. | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mistaken | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | migh've been timeless | 17:11 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: I work at a company called Interact-IV | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | aah SIP etc | 17:12 |
| teotwaki | aye | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | iirc | 17:12 |
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| * timeless will look back later | 17:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless: you're at RIM? | 17:17 |
| * timeless nods | 17:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HSI? | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (prolly not) | 17:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 waves | 17:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 17:19 |
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| teotwaki | timeless: I thought you were at Nokia previously? | 17:44 |
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| timeless | yes | 17:44 |
| timeless | for 5 years | 17:44 |
| timeless | but i left a bit over a year ago | 17:44 |
| teotwaki | I take you like sinking ships :) | 17:44 |
| teotwaki | s/take/take it/ | 17:44 |
| infobot | teotwaki meant: I take it you like sinking ships :) | 17:44 |
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| Viltzu | Anyone compiled Allegro5 for N900? | 17:50 |
| Viltzu | When I try to compile it on N900, and do "make". It goes well until it tries to link lib/liballegro.so | 17:51 |
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| Viltzu | "make[2]: *** [lib/liballegro.so.5.0.6] Error 1" | 17:52 |
| Viltzu | "make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/allegro.dir/all] Error 2" | 17:52 |
| Viltzu | That doesn't tell anything... urh. | 17:52 |
| Viltzu | And cross compiling seems hard :p | 17:52 |
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| Viltzu | Hum | 18:19 |
| StyXman | Viltzu: check the logs higher up | 18:20 |
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| Viltzu | There isn't any errors there. Just some assembler messages saying that rm, rdlo or something are different. (can't remember all) | 18:21 |
| Viltzu | But not errors. | 18:21 |
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| freemangordon | zeq_laptop, Raimu : (and whoever is interseted) new version of thumb-cssu is out, with thumb2-compiled xserver and fixed kernel | 19:25 |
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| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: cool. I had an update available notification this morning but deps seemed to be broken at the time. | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | yeah, I am just waaiting merlin1991 to finish his exams so I can kick him in the ass for setting up the repo in such a way that older versions of the packages are deleted when a new version is uploaded :D | 19:29 |
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| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: how is the fennec compilation going on? | 19:30 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: did you add a conflict to the uboot image? | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: nope, should I? | 19:32 |
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| merlin1991 | ham claims the update conflicts with it somehow | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | conflict with wath, remind me please. | 19:32 |
| merlin1991 | mp vs uboot kernel image | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: u-boot pr-13? | 19:32 |
| zeq_laptop | the pkg-config logic is sane afterall, kindof. It goes through the Qt packages group by group and if any fail instead of erroring out it falls back to looking for the Qt libs/includes in QTDIR, even if it isn't set! | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: but it should not conflict with it | 19:33 |
| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: ah, yes. That's what happened to me this morning. | 19:33 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: nah, the uboot image of the cssu kernel | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: after all you could safely boot cssu-kernel-bootimg qith u-boot and have a perfectly stable system | 19:34 |
| merlin1991 | well nfc | 19:34 |
| merlin1991 | didn't read the mesage from ham properly | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | otherwise you should break mp thing in order to use uboot | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: there was a broken dependency, mp (oler version) was looking for kernel-cssu1, but there was kernel-cssu2 | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | kernel-cssu1 was automatically delete when i upload the new kernel | 19:35 |
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| freemangordon | *uploaded | 19:35 |
| merlin1991 | I deinstalled the bootimg package and now the update works | 19:36 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: yeah that's a shortcoming of reprepro | 19:36 |
| merlin1991 | it only keeps one version | 19:36 |
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| merlin1991 | I found something in the docs that could fix that and applied it to the config, but didn't have time to test it | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | aah, so it is not some setting? ok, I am not going to kick you then :P | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | well, nevermind, I will be careful now I know what it does | 19:37 |
| merlin1991 | if that config thingy doesn't fix it I'll look for another tool that does repos and can handle an incoming queue | 19:37 |
| merlin1991 | but reprepro was quite nice to work with :/ | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: but it works pretty well, I was just not aware of this "functionality | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | don't touch it, it is working fine | 19:38 |
| merlin1991 | works well as long as I remember to enable the incoming queue after a reboot ;) | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | :D | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | can't it be automatically enabled? | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | via /etc/event.d or something? | 19:39 |
| merlin1991 | yeah I'd have to write an init script :D | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | :) | 19:39 |
| merlin1991 | /etc/init.d/ (it's a debian server) | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | no /etc/event.d on debian? | 19:40 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 19:40 |
| freemangordon | hmm, why we have it on n900 then ?!? | 19:40 |
| merlin1991 | because n900 uses upstart | 19:40 |
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| freemangordon | well, anyway, it is gettting too complicated for me :) | 19:41 |
| merlin1991 | debian uses sysvinit as init | 19:41 |
| merlin1991 | mamo uses upstart | 19:41 |
| zeq_laptop | as does ubuntu | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | ok | 19:41 |
| merlin1991 | and mr pöttering wants us all to use systemd ;) | 19:41 |
| zeq_laptop | I actually like systemd | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | mr who? | 19:42 |
| merlin1991 | ~pöttering | 19:42 |
| merlin1991 | srly infobot | 19:42 |
| freemangordon | won't work, there is some strange symbol in your paste | 19:42 |
| ivgalvez | and which version of upstart are we using? | 19:42 |
| ivgalvez | I guess too old? | 19:42 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: mr Lennart Poettering | 19:42 |
| merlin1991 | ~poettering | 19:42 |
| infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' | 19:42 |
| merlin1991 | there we go :D | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | yeah :D:D:D | 19:43 |
| zeq_laptop | LOL | 19:43 |
| ivgalvez | author of Pulseaudio as well | 19:43 |
| zeq_laptop | Pulseaudio is okay too :P | 19:43 |
| ivgalvez | so I won't jump to systemd to fast | 19:43 |
| zeq_laptop | systemd is fine, it's just different | 19:43 |
| merlin1991 | what's the 3rd big thing he did? | 19:43 |
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| NIN101 | avahi | 19:44 |
| merlin1991 | ah yeah avahi | 19:44 |
| * freemangordon is wondering what next to include in cssu-thumb | 19:45 | |
| zeq_laptop | fennec! ;) | 19:45 |
| ivgalvez | Python :D | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | don't say microb | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | ivgalvez: what will be the benefit from having Python thumb-compiled? | 19:45 |
| ivgalvez | time to start python apps is extremely long plus memroy consumption | 19:46 |
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| ivgalvez | there are a few widgets using python as well | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | but it is not resident, ain't? | 19:46 |
| ivgalvez | if you have a widgets... yes I'm afraid | 19:46 |
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| freemangordon | aah, widgets. hmm, who the hell wants python widgets on his desktop? | 19:46 |
| zeq_laptop | not sure how much difference it would make to python | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | ivgalvez: I was asking for some core compunent | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | *component | 19:47 |
| ivgalvez | well it's not really critcal | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | the one that everyone will benefit from being with reduced code size | 19:47 |
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| freemangordon | some system library or so. bluetoothd? | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | or something like that | 19:48 |
| zeq_laptop | that's a possiblity | 19:48 |
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| freemangordon | well, I rephrase then. Which is the biggest memory hog (excluding browserd and things that are already in the repo) according to your knowledge? | 19:49 |
| kerio | tracker, maybe? | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | aah, yes, libcurl3 | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | kerio: hmm, that is a good idea, let me check the code size | 19:50 |
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| ivgalvez | if you use batery-eye (very common I think) you will also see python running | 19:52 |
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| freemangordon | ivgalvez: no way to install any python stuff in my status menu. | 19:53 |
| freemangordon | :) | 19:53 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, openssl and libcurl3 are my favorites, though I have to wait for a newer libcurl3 in CSSU-T | 19:56 |
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| zeq_laptop | probably worth looking a the difference in size with python | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: absolute difference? | 19:57 |
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| freemangordon | as I doubt it is all executable code | 19:58 |
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| zeq_laptop | obviously :) | 19:58 |
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| zeq_laptop | objdump gives a full breakdown | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | battery-eye been notorious to kill battery ;) | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | IOW the eye is a hog | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | hmm, pulseaudio modules are about 1200 KiB | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | not sure all of them are FOSS | 20:04 |
| ivgalvez | mine stays up to 4 days and 13 hours with Battery eye, I can live with that | 20:04 |
| hiemanshu | some should rebuild Maemo with linaro tool chain | 20:04 |
| hiemanshu | someone* | 20:04 |
| freemangordon | hiemanshu: which gcc is that? | 20:04 |
| ivgalvez | 4.7.1 | 20:04 |
| hiemanshu | there is 4.6 and 4.7 too | 20:04 |
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| ivgalvez | 4.7.1 is supposed to boost performance of Android on ARM | 20:04 |
| hiemanshu | 4.6 does too | 20:05 |
| freemangordon | is it much better than 4.6.2? | 20:05 |
| hiemanshu | and its not android limited | 20:05 |
| hiemanshu | its boosts performance of all ARM related stuff | 20:05 |
| freemangordon | as that is what I am using for thumb thingie | 20:05 |
| ivgalvez | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/android-performance-boosted-30-100-percent-by-linaro-toolchain/ | 20:06 |
| hiemanshu | ivgalvez: yes, but its not limited to android | 20:07 |
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| ivgalvez | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1210_arm1&num=1 | 20:07 |
| ivgalvez | of course | 20:07 |
| ivgalvez | Ubuntu too | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | ivgalvez: but it says the performance is boosted compared to google toolchain, I was asking if there is much of a difference compared to gcc 4.6.2 | 20:09 |
| ivgalvez | apparently the benefits to Ubuntu 12.10 are also important, anyhow dunno if that would be noticeable on the N900 | 20:10 |
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| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: we should probably use linaro | 20:16 |
| zeq_laptop | they do try extra hard to fix ARM issues | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: I am all for this, just tell me when to download the toolchain from :P | 20:17 |
| hiemanshu | freemangordon: google :P | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | (the one that runs in SB :P ) | 20:17 |
| zeq_laptop | there are instructions on the sb site to import new toolchains | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | hiemanshu: ^^^ | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | yeah, but we need the ehole toolchain statically linked | 20:18 |
| zeq_laptop | I would be surprised if someone hasn't already done it | 20:18 |
| hiemanshu | freemangordon: well you'll have to do some manual stuff | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | hiemanshu: tell me about it, I compiled gcc 4.6.2 for SB ;) | 20:19 |
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| zeq_laptop | building gcc without "--enable-shared" isn't a bit deal | 20:19 |
| zeq_laptop | s/bit/big/ | 20:20 |
| infobot | zeq_laptop meant: building gcc without "--enable-shared" isn't a big deal | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: excluding that that option does not work | 20:20 |
| zeq_laptop | I should say with --disable-shared | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | at least for 4.6.2 | 20:20 |
| zeq_laptop | I've built a static toolchain recently when I was bootstrapping x32 on Gentoo | 20:20 |
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| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: does not work, I had to do some trickery, i.e. configure it with --enable-shared, and after that make -j4 LDFLAGS="-static -L/scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/lib/" | 20:24 |
| zeq_laptop | strange | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | or make -j4 LDFLAGS="-all-static", can't remember | 20:24 |
| zeq_laptop | I think i built 4.6 and 4.7 ... maybe it was only 4.7 I built static | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | that is the source from gcc mirrors, didn't try some debianized package | 20:25 |
| Viltzu | Does anyone know what I should try when compiling allegro5? | 20:25 |
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| freemangordon | make? | 20:25 |
| Viltzu | "Linking C shared library lib/liballegro.so" | 20:25 |
| Viltzu | And then error. | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | dpkg-buildpackage | 20:25 |
| Viltzu | I'm talking about the error when I do make :) | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | :) | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | and the error is? | 20:26 |
| Viltzu | make just doesn't give anyinformation of the error really. | 20:26 |
| Viltzu | Not even what the error exactly is | 20:26 |
| Viltzu | Linking C shared library lib/liballegro.so | 20:26 |
| Viltzu | make[2]: *** [lib/liballegro.so.5.0.6] Error 1 | 20:26 |
| Viltzu | make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/allegro.dir/all] Error 2 | 20:26 |
| Viltzu | make: *** [all] Error 2 | 20:26 |
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| Viltzu | And I'm positive there really isn't anywhere else about errors | 20:27 |
| zeq_laptop | another fennec stupidity | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | Viltzu: no way there is no error from gcc | 20:28 |
| zeq_laptop | nsWindow.cpp:77:40: fatal error: QtSensors/QOrientationSensor | 20:28 |
| zeq_laptop | yet the CFLAGS contain: -I/opt/qtm12/include/QtSensors | 20:28 |
| zeq_laptop | duh! | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: make it QOrientationSensor only, remove QtSensors/ prefix :P | 20:29 |
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| zeq_laptop | I was hoping to avoid patching | 20:29 |
| Viltzu | freemangordon, does it log somewhere or should it be printed on the screen when doing make? Because those 4 lines are all what it prints when I do make (Well, when it now tries to continue where it stopped. It does "Building C object" to 78% and then that) | 20:30 |
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| freemangordon | Viltzu: check if your configure scripts are not invoked eith some "--silent" option | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | *with | 20:30 |
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| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: you could try ti -I/opt/qtm12/include | 20:32 |
| freemangordon | *to | 20:32 |
| freemangordon | and add that path to -dev pkgconfig | 20:32 |
| Viltzu | as far as I know there is not applied any silent options. | 20:33 |
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| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: that's even more hacky than patching it though I guess | 20:47 |
| zeq_laptop | especially since the other qt headers aren't prefixed | 20:48 |
| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: is that source file maemo5 specific? | 20:48 |
| zeq_laptop | no, it's qt-mobility specific | 20:49 |
| zeq_laptop | which is probably only used on maemo5/6 | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | hmm, strange. BTW why you include stuff from /opt and not /usr/include/qt4? | 20:50 |
| zeq_laptop | the opt stuff is from libqtm12 | 20:50 |
| zeq_laptop | that is where it gets installed | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | but headers should be in /usr/... | 20:50 |
| zeq_laptop | the locations are picked up though pkg-config | 20:50 |
| zeq_laptop | as they should be | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | I know, seems -dev package does stupd things, headers should not be optified AFAIK | 20:51 |
| zeq_laptop | There's no rule that I'm aware of | 20:51 |
| zeq_laptop | certainly not generally, maybe a maemo thing? | 20:51 |
| zeq_laptop | the whole point of pkg-config was to allow packages to be installed in non-standard locations and still work | 20:52 |
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| zeq_laptop | it's just a mozilla bug. probably only been used on maemo6/harmattan, and there the headers were in the right place | 20:55 |
| zeq_laptop | s/right/assumed/ | 20:56 |
| infobot | zeq_laptop meant: it's just a mozilla bug. probably only been used on maemo6/harmattan, and there the headers were in the assumed place | 20:56 |
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| Viltzu | So any ideas? I have not silented errors or anything. | 21:04 |
| zeq_laptop | Viltzu: there must be a way of makeing the build output verbose | 21:04 |
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| zeq_laptop | some packages you can use V=99 | 21:05 |
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| Viltzu | I gave --debug=all to make and it says it is reaping winning child and also reaping losin child and such. | 21:26 |
| Viltzu | http://pastebin.com/hMyCFW8E | 21:26 |
| Viltzu | Does that tell anything? | 21:26 |
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| zeq_laptop | try make VERBOSE=ON | 21:32 |
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| Viltzu | I wonder. Maybe I should update gcc and g++ to 4.6 from 4.2? | 21:39 |
| Viltzu | :> | 21:39 |
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| zeq_laptop | Viltzu: did you try "make VERBOSE=ON" ? | 21:44 |
| Viltzu | Not yet. | 21:44 |
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| Viltzu | Humm | 21:47 |
| Viltzu | How did I create symlink so that gcc would call gcc-4.6 | 21:47 |
| Viltzu | ln something | 21:47 |
| zeq_laptop | Viltzu: what are you trying to do? I suggest if you want to try gcc-4.6, you use the one we're using for thumb | 21:49 |
| zeq_laptop | but first you really should try "make VERBOSE=ON", it should work to tell you what's wrong I think | 21:50 |
| Viltzu | I just mean that now if I do "gcc" it will use the 4.2 version. But nothing anymore. removed the old one and then ln /usr/bin/gcc-4.6 gcc | 21:52 |
| Viltzu | I will try that now. | 21:52 |
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| Viltzu | Hmm | 21:53 |
| Viltzu | /usr/bin/ld: this linker was not configured to use sysroots | 21:53 |
| Viltzu | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 21:53 |
| Viltzu | wait. Did I just braek it | 21:54 |
| Viltzu | Because it says that also without VERBOSE=ON and it didn't before :p | 21:54 |
| zeq_laptop | yes, you've broken it :P | 21:57 |
| zeq_laptop | you broke your scratchbox target | 21:58 |
| Viltzu | I wonder what I should do? ;P | 21:58 |
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| ZogG_latop | zeq_laptop: oh, i finally found my brother | 22:09 |
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| zeq_laptop | ZogG_latop: where did you lose your "p"? | 22:23 |
| Viltzu | Okay back to 4.2 because symlinking doesn't work umm. | 22:24 |
| zeq_laptop | Viltzu: scratchbox toolchains go in /scratchbox/compiler | 22:25 |
| zeq_laptop | s/compiler/compilers/ | 22:25 |
| infobot | zeq_laptop meant: Viltzu: scratchbox toolchains go in /scratchbox/compilers | 22:26 |
| Viltzu | Okay... Doesn't say anything what I should do. :> | 22:26 |
| zeq_laptop | I'm going to write a howto soon | 22:27 |
| Viltzu | But I just now compile this thing again (yes, I tried to do with the 4.6 from the start and meh) | 22:27 |
| Viltzu | This will take about an our. | 22:27 |
| Viltzu | I wonder why it takes so long. On N9 it doesn't. | 22:27 |
| Viltzu | Maybe memory is getting low (5MB free RAM when compiling) ? | 22:28 |
| zeq_laptop | oh, you're compiling native? | 22:28 |
| Viltzu | Hmm... yes on N900. | 22:28 |
| zeq_laptop | eek | 22:28 |
| Viltzu | Cross-compiling seemed complicated when allegro needs all these different libraries erhm. | 22:28 |
| freemangordon | WTF? | 22:29 |
| ZogG_latop | zeq_laptop: 1993 summer, late august, i remember her as i see her now in front of me ... | 22:29 |
| Viltzu | But it would be nice to cross compile. This is taking forever to compile on N900 ;D | 22:29 |
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| zeq_laptop | Viltzu: I strongly recommend you don't do that | 22:29 |
| zeq_laptop | native I mean | 22:30 |
| Viltzu | WhY? | 22:30 |
| zeq_laptop | well for a start it's slow | 22:30 |
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| Viltzu | Yes I have noticed. | 22:30 |
| Viltzu | And? | 22:31 |
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| zeq_laptop | you'll wear out your device, you probably don't have all the *-dev packages, lack of memory | 22:31 |
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| zeq_laptop | Viltzu: scratchbox isn't hard to set up | 22:32 |
| Viltzu | Okay hmm | 22:33 |
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| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: fennec is linking... | 22:43 |
| Viltzu | The problem was I didn't really know about this scratchbox thing :P | 22:44 |
| zeq_laptop | yep | 22:45 |
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| freemangordon | Viltzu: it is really easy, nokia has a VmWare image on SDK site with everything preinstalled | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | (not sure what the address was, but google is your friend) | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: still linking? | 22:48 |
| zeq_laptop | building chrome | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | libxul built? | 22:49 |
| zeq_laptop | yep | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | hooooraaay | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | :D | 22:49 |
| zeq_laptop | done | 22:49 |
| Viltzu | found it. | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: gimme, gimme, gimme ... | 22:49 |
| zeq_laptop | except not a packagebuild | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | :( | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | why is that? | 22:50 |
| zeq_laptop | because I could fix problems and type make in obj-build | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: I am sure you know it, but just in case: you can comment the unpacking step in debian/rules and build with -nc | 22:50 |
| zeq_laptop | but the debian/rules wipes everything with "build" | 22:50 |
| zeq_laptop | execpt the silly debain/rules for this package | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | but it works, i've tried it yesterday | 22:51 |
| zeq_laptop | s/execpt/except/ | 22:51 |
| infobot | zeq_laptop meant: except the silly debain/rules for this package | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | (commenting tar -xz) | 22:51 |
| zeq_laptop | it did? | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | yep | 22:51 |
| zeq_laptop | oh well never mind | 22:51 |
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| zeq_laptop | :) | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | just put # in front of it :P | 22:52 |
| zeq_laptop | well, yes hacking it would work | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | yeah, lets see it working, I promise I will fix debian/rules if everything is ok otherwise | 22:53 |
| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I can make the patches available to you | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | ie, fennec does not put n900 on its knees | 22:53 |
| zeq_laptop | you can build faster than I can | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | but you have it already build, just hack debian/rules and rebuild with -nc | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | that will be faster | 22:54 |
| zeq_laptop | ah, good idea 8-) | 22:54 |
| * freemangordon think if it is a good idea to upload that on gitorious, if fennec works ok | 22:56 | |
| zeq_laptop | in cssu-thumb you mean? | 22:58 |
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| peterbjornx | does anyone here have experience with thr n900 fm tx | 23:01 |
| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I don't know how long this will take... | 23:01 |
| freemangordon | no, cssu-thumb is the debian repo ;). And most of things there are branches of CSSU | 23:01 |
| peterbjornx | mine stopped working, no errors but no transmission either | 23:01 |
| freemangordon | I have an account on gitorious and can create projects in my repo there | 23:02 |
| zeq_laptop | ah ok | 23:02 |
| zeq_laptop | if it works well, it could be quite popular | 23:02 |
| freemangordon | that way it will be very easy to apply patches for whoever is interested (assuming he has a gitorious account) | 23:03 |
| zeq_laptop | apparently packaging fennec takes a while ;) | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | well , if it does its job... | 23:04 |
| zeq_laptop | it's becaues it's using ARM compiled tools | 23:04 |
| zeq_laptop | because* | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | oh | 23:05 |
| zeq_laptop | ah progressing | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | arm qemu on coreduo :( | 23:05 |
| zeq_laptop | emulated arm is a bit slower than native x86_64 :) | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: don't forget to maemo-optify once it is ready (if there is no optification in debian/rules) | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | though I think there is | 23:06 |
| zeq_laptop | it's installed into /opt in the mozconfig | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | great | 23:08 |
| chem|st | yeah | 23:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: congrats, now i wait for harmattan CSSU =P | 23:09 |
| chem|st | Woody14619: what happened? | 23:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: oh you are here, i'm the one we talked about OBS i'm here too =P | 23:09 |
| zeq_laptop | my power cable had fallen out | 23:10 |
| Woody14619 | chem|st: What happened about what? :) So much going on lately, I'm not sure which thing you're talking about. :P | 23:11 |
| freemangordon | ZogG_laptop: thanks. harm CSSU? but there is PR1.3 on the horizon :P | 23:11 |
| chem|st | Woody14619: CA | 23:11 |
| Woody14619 | Uhmm.. CA was decided? I'm not sure what you're asking? :) | 23:11 |
| Woody14619 | If you're asking why I didn't get a device? Because I didn't apply. | 23:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: i think in Nokia right now they went to ancient roots and wors is not round anymore so the horizont is the end of the world, good luck waiting for it =) | 23:12 |
| trumee | does N900 support hls video playback ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming | 23:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: you should re=phrase the question | 23:12 |
| Woody14619 | I felt it was both a conflict of interest, and that others had more/better community support and development than I've made. | 23:12 |
| chem|st | Woody14619: were all councelors there? or was it estel and someone else again? | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: why only you didn't get the device =) | 23:13 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: he din't apply! | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's what i'm saying | 23:13 |
| Woody14619 | No, it was all councelors.... over a gruelying 4 hours meeting... :P | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | why only him didn't apply =) | 23:13 |
| chem|st | misunderstood | 23:13 |
| trumee | There seem to be iOS/android players coming up to play mythtv 0.25 streams. Wondering if there is any video player which can do that on N900. | 23:13 |
| freemangordon | trumee: did you try to open it from microb? | 23:14 |
| Woody14619 | ZogG_laptop: I gave my reasons for not applying. :) | 23:14 |
| trumee | freemangordon: what do you mean? | 23:14 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: i think the reason was different | 23:15 |
| Woody14619 | .oO(And while I may or may not want to share more on that, I will refrain from doing so, reguardless of proding...) | 23:15 |
| trumee | freemangordon: i have mythtv 0.25 here, but dont know how to access hls stream | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | trumee: find such a stream and try to open it within microb | 23:15 |
| trumee | freemangordon: ah, ok. | 23:15 |
| Woody14619 | ZogG_laptop: you may think what you please, but I can tell you, that was my reasoning. | 23:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: if you was thinking like that you would apply anyway as you just wouldn;t get device, on other hand if you know that you'll get device for sure so you don't apply — something is wrong here | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | if it is supported i suspect mediaplayer will kick in | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | trumee: ^^^ | 23:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: i actually complimenting you man =) | 23:17 |
| trumee | freemangordon: http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bipbop/gear1/prog_index.m3u8 , firefox on PC says loading. going to try on N900 | 23:17 |
| chem|st | vi_: merlin1991 freemangordon I hope you do not abandone your n900s now... | 23:17 |
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| Woody14619 | ZogG_laptop: Again, I found it to be a conflict of interest to be both an applicant and a judge, and therefore resolved that by not being an applicant. | 23:18 |
| * Woody14619 shares chem|st's concerns... :) | 23:18 | |
| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch | 23:18 |
| zeq_laptop | make: *** No rule to make target `binary-arch'. Stop. | 23:18 |
| zeq_laptop | ? | 23:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: that's my point and that's why i told you that i think you did it right | 23:18 |
| * Woody14619 nods... | 23:18 | |
| ZogG_laptop | zeq_laptop: i found my p | 23:18 |
| zeq_laptop | ZogG_laptop: congrats! :) | 23:19 |
| trumee | freemangordon: microb opens video player which return "unable to find media file" :( | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: WTF? do a simple dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -nc | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | trumee: I suppose your question got answered :P | 23:20 |
| trumee | FF | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | actually it seems it is half supported :D | 23:21 |
| trumee | freemangordon: FF doesnt play these on PC either (https://developer.apple.com/resources/http-streaming/examples/) | 23:22 |
| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: trying again | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | i.e. microb recognises it as a media, but maybe there is no gstreamer element installed on your n900 who can handle it | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: full compilation? | 23:22 |
| zeq_laptop | no just the binary packaging | 23:23 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 23:23 |
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| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: typo in rules | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | nice :) | 23:34 |
| zeq_laptop | wrong obj-build directory name | 23:35 |
| zeq_laptop | oops | 23:35 |
| zeq_laptop | trying again | 23:35 |
| Viltzu | /usr/bin/cmake -E cmake_symlink_library lib/liballegro.so.5.0.6 lib/liballegro.so.5.0 lib/liballegro.so | 23:36 |
| Viltzu | make[2]: *** [lib/liballegro.so.5.0.6] Error 1 | 23:36 |
| Viltzu | When usin - | 23:36 |
| Viltzu | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/user/MyDocs/allegro-5.0/build' | 23:36 |
| Viltzu | VERBOSE=ON it says that before the error | 23:37 |
| Viltzu | But I'm downloading the scratchbox ready image thing. | 23:37 |
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| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: seems to be working this time: Linking .xpt files... | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | good | 23:55 |
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| zeq_laptop | freemangordon: WTF? http://pastebin.com/e8hvXzFV | 23:58 |
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| freemangordon | zeq_laptop: NFC, never seen such think | 23:59 |
| freemangordon | *thing | 23:59 |
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