IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-06-19

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MrPinguHi, Estel_ :)00:15
ShadowJK10Mbit/s 3g modem in n900 anyway00:15
MrPinguI wanted to ask you about your digitizers but I think  I have to wait a bit00:16
MrPinguThe company of my fake digitizers just replied me that they will pay me twice the shippingcosts and they assured they would get me an original00:17
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vi__Ping any German speaking chap here!00:26
vi__DocScrutinizer: for example00:26
vi__or perhaps00:26
vi__chem|st: !00:26
chem|stvi__: pong00:26
vi__good evening sir.00:26
vi__May I ask a quick favour of you?00:26
TofeUnd guten Nacht !00:26
chem|stTofe: wrong spelling and I wont leave the channel00:27
vi__can you read this short letter I have put through google translate and tell me if it makes anykind of sense or if it is just gibberish.00:27
Tofeno, but I will :)00:27
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chem|stvi__: gtranslate is a bad idea!00:28
vi__What else can I use?00:28
chem|stvi__: may I have the original paste please, it is rubish...00:29
chem|steven trying to get the right sense is off my limits00:29
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chem|stvi__: do you know his name?00:30
vi__1 sec00:30
chem|stvi__: in german you'd say "Dear Sir $surname"00:31
chem|stvi__: get it00:31
vi__which of the above names is his surname?00:32
vi__these are the contact details I have:00:33
vi__verkäufer mit top-bewertungen00:33
vi__top - rated seller00:33
vi__Rudolf-Diesel-Str. 1200:33
vi__Industriegebiet Nord00:33
vi__D-68535 Neckarhausen00:33
vi__Ust-Idnr./Tax-Nr. DE 253 690 77000:33
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chem|stvi will this be emailed ahead of the return?00:34
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vi__bah anti spam garbage00:36
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chem|stvi__: bush in terms of bushings?00:39
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vi__a mechanical bush, so yes a bushing.00:40
chem|stvi__: your first part (for pic one) is even in original not very telling00:43
chem|styou had to fit your old bush to the new monoshock, as the shipped with was worn out00:43
chem|stthen you had to remove it again from his monoshock to put it back in your old monoshock?00:44
vi__yes that is the case00:44
chem|stthat is nothing he will be interested in... useless information...00:44
vi__it explains why there is no bottom bush in the shock i am returning.00:45
vi__also it adds weight to my case that this item is not as it was sold as00:45
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chem|stI'd say the something like, the bushing was gone so I had to replace it, the gas damping is broken...00:46
chem|stah I see00:46
chem|stok I figure it out...00:46
vi__the gas damping is more than broken.  It is not even fitted.00:48
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vi__however I cannot admit I know that as a suspension mechanic had to open it to find this out.00:48
vi__it is just a 'shell' of a shock absorber.00:48
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chem|stvi__: please state up front that you do not speak german and that he may reply in english, guess that will not be that a problem00:58
chem|styou may also tell that I helped and cc me so he may contact me if he does not speak english00:59
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chem|stvi__: next time you tell me what you need and I ask my father to get one for you00:59
vi__chem|st: I love you.01:00
vi__chem|st: bro.01:00
chem|stvi__: you may regret it some time :)01:00
vi__If you have paypal address I would be honoured if I may stand you a beer or 2?01:01
chem|stvi__: community is community, beer anytime but I prefer a personal meetup!01:01
chem|stvi__: you got my email for cc?01:02
vi__you mean ca?01:02
chem|stcarboncopy email?01:02
vi__the paste you just made?01:02
chem|stvi__: did you even read that about telling in your mail that you do not speak german?!01:03
chem|stsend both in one letter01:03
chem|stehrm email01:04
vi__I missed the second part about cc.01:04
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chem|sttell between german and english that you had help for translation01:05
internetishardhow do you make it so the sent email messages from your n900 appear in "sent" in gmail?01:05
chem|stinternetishard: move them by hand from send on N900 to gmail...01:05
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internetishardI thought this was the point of synchronization of devices01:06
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chem|stinternetishard: I do not know about any other solution01:06
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* cehteh needs avrdude on the n900 anyone tried that yet?01:40
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chem|stcehteh: there is no .deb if you mean that, s/o told to have ported it to n810 but I do not see it in the repos01:44
cehtehwhen you remind who was it, please tell me01:45
cehtehand bonus points for avr-gcc :P01:45
chem|stcehteh: steffen vogel,
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chem|stwhat's the bonus?01:51
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cehtehsorry i was soldering01:53
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cehtehbonus is a 2nd lukewarm handshake :P01:53
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Maceri cant take it anymore03:29
Maceri seriosly need to contact nokia about this fucking problem03:29
Macerwith the wifi on the lumia 90003:29
Macerit's driving me crazy03:29
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ShadowJKwhat wifi problem?04:47
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Maceromg live chat tech support from nokia is a joke09:39
Macerwhat a waste of life, time, and resources09:39
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zeqfreemangordon: I've found I need to patch the fennec source, but the maemo fennec debian/rules seems very strange to me: unpacking the source tree during build..?!? It's too late by then to patch with quilt!12:39
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merlin1991zeq: quite a few maemo packages apply quilt patches within debian/rules12:44
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zeqmerlin1991: how should it be done? Have you seen the rules for fennec.  I don't know whether it's unusual or not.12:46
merlin1991I didn't see the rules for fennec12:46
zeqI've tried including the quilt patchsys12:47
zeqthat didn't work because the source isn't unpacked12:47
merlin1991is the rules file somewhere on the net hat I can have a quick look?12:47
zeqit's in extras-devel12:48
zeqthat's the version I basing upon12:49
zeqthere's a Fennec 13 thread on tmo12:49
merlin1991could you just pastebin the rules, I'm currently on windows12:50
zeqhang on12:50
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* zeq is surprised XChat takes so long to emerge...12:59
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zeqchannel window isn't appearing in XChat on my laptop. Wonderful!13:12
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zeqI've installed ircii, how do I switch to a channel I've joined??13:17
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merlin1991# stands for number ,)13:20
zeqthat's what I thought13:20
zeqdoesn't seem to work :/13:20
merlin1991 /window #13:21
merlin1991I think that should always work13:21
zeqdoesn't seem to in ircII13:21
zeq\/info gives info about the current window13:23
zeqI'm obviously doing something wrong13:23
zeqI seemed to join ^^13:24
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fizzieBased on very vague recollections of ircII, if you don't explicitly put your channels to different windows, your channels will not be in different windows, but just all meshed in together, with ^x switching the channel being talked to. (And /window swap <r> swaps the current window with the hidden window of that number.)13:27
zeqirssi then...13:27
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zeq_laptopirssi works :)13:31
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merlin1991zeq_laptop: well then add simple call to quilt after the tar call?13:35
zeq_laptopI haven't used quilt for 10 years..13:36
zeq_laptopso how do I apply a patch series?13:36
zeq_laptopthe last time I did any packaging for a debian based distro was for the PS2 Linux Kit13:37
merlin1991you need to have the debian/patches folder13:39
merlin1991the series file in there13:39
zeq_laptopI've done that13:39
merlin1991and after that see man quilt13:39
merlin1991(I don't remember the commandline for apply all patches)13:39
zeq_laptopbetter install man on sb ...13:39
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merlin1991zeq_laptop: it's quilt push -a13:41
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zeq_laptopI'll need to add quilt to the build-deps too I guess13:42
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zeq_laptopmerlin1991: what fun... quilt push -a attempts to apply the patches to the top of the build tree, not to where the source was unpacked, even if I 'cd' into it first!13:58
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merlin1991if you cd you need to cd somewhere && quilt push -a14:03
zeq_laptopah ok14:04
zeq_laptopforgot it was a makefile for a moment ;)14:04
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zeq_laptopmerlin1991: figured it out.  debian/patches needs to be symlinked into the unpacked source dir14:14
zeq_laptopthe patches I'm using assume the tree is unpacked at the top level14:16
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: look here
freemangordonI expect you only need to add include /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make14:29
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freemangordon patch / unpatch to build/clean section14:30
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: It turns out patching it may not help afterall.  I thought I was hitting this bus: but that's already applied to the source I'm using.  Instead it's failing at link time. (same method though)14:38
povbotBug 738416: was not found.14:38
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zeq_laptopI guess it's not in our qt lib14:39
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StyXmanecho deb lucid-preprod pns > /var/opt/hosting/data/pns_php/etc/apt/sources.list.d/pns-preprod.list14:56
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: what could not be found in link time, I am quite familiar with Qt, maybe I can help15:30
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: QTMLocationProvider::SetHighAccuracy()15:36
zeq_laptopI've essentially reverted the patch that added it to mozilla with #if 0, trying to build again atm15:37
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zeq_laptopit was added for this bug:
povbotBug 738416: was not found.15:38
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japhI play music with mplayer. When I slide open the keyboard fully, the sound is interupted for half a second or so. Same thing if someone sends a text. Isn't pulseaudio supposed to be able to play multiple streams at once, or is this because of something else?15:56
ivgalvezjaph: Probably mplayer is not configured to use pulseaudio but Alsa15:59
zeq_laptopjaph: do you use -ao pulse ?16:00
japhivgalvez, yes.16:00
japherr. zeq_laptop - yes16:00
ivgalvezthen it "might be" because mplayer is not using DSP acceleration16:00
ivgalvezand takes a lot of CPU16:00
ivgalvezcompare CPU consumption with any MAFW player16:01
ivgalvezI mean16:01
ivgalvezany regular player16:01
ivgalvezstock one16:01
japhthe reason why I'm using mplayer is because everything else sucks16:01
ivgalvezor Open Media Player for example16:01
ivgalvezif Mplayer consumes almost 100% of your CPU, that would explain the interruption16:02
japhcan I assume that if I try to replace pulse with for example oss4, things will break horribly?16:02
ivgalvezuse alse instead16:02
ivgalvezthat wouldn't allow any other application to take over your audio16:02
japhwhy on earth didn't I think of that?16:03
ivgalvez-ao alsa16:03
japhthat's why I have never liked alsa16:03
japhand now it's my saviour16:03
japh(dmix never works for me)16:03
japhthanks, ivgalvez16:03
ivgalvezanyhow, notifications are terrible16:03
ivgalvezconsuming a lot of resources16:03
japhfwiw, mplayer uses ~15-20% of cpu, depending on if it's flac or mp3 I'm playing16:06
vi_fwiw mplayer alsa output is absolute shite.16:07
vi_It crashes CONSTANTLY.16:07
vi_FOrcing you to restart it with ctrl+c16:07
* japh cries16:07
vi_japh: why you are not using open media player?16:08
japhI don't know what it is or if I've tried it16:08
japhbut everything I've tried is horribly userhostile16:08
vi_It is like the normal stock media player but with MOAR FEETURES!!!16:08
japhI'll check it out16:09
japh... but not today it seems16:10
japhI have a n950 to go checkout :D16:10
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vi_japh HOW??16:13
vi_japh: HOW??16:13
vi_Where did you get an n950?16:13
petteri damn sweden!16:13
vi_is this legitimate?16:13
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vi_Dont worry, I will not tell.16:13
vi_japh: developer program?16:14
freemangordonzeq_laptop: Which module is that? It is not in Qt for sure. ?16:14
povbotBug 679236: was not found.16:14
japhoh you meant if I got it from nokia?16:14
japhthat I did not16:14
freemangordonpovbot: shut up16:14
povbotfreemangordon: Error: "shut" is not a valid command.16:14
vi_...but that is the only place to get one.16:14
japh'yeah' :)16:14
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vi_japh: not gonna talk huh?16:19
japhI happened to befriend someone who got one for dev and eventually my charm payed off16:21
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: qtm-location I'd guess16:25
japhI didn't think they were that attractive, most people seems to like the n9 but I really can't stand not having a keyboard16:25
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: which qt-mobility version do you use?16:34
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: I seem to have the cssu versions installed, but this target hasn't been upgraded to CSSU.16:40
freemangordonzeq_laptop: CSSU has qtm 1.0.2, maybe you need 1.2.0, which is in extras-devel afaik16:40
freemangordonbut I still fail to see which symbol is missing :)16:41
zeq_laptopexcept I've been asked to try to maintain non-CSSU compatibility... extras-devel is even less compatible...16:42
freemangordonzeq_laptop: iirc I toldya to enable the thumb repo and to upgrade the target. You MUST do that, otherwise your Qt mkspecs won't be correct16:42
freemangordonzeq_laptop: you're using gcc 4.6.216:43
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freemangordonyou're not compatible with anything but CSSU-thumb :D16:43
zeq_laptopI have a target configured that way16:43
freemangordonwhich way?16:43
zeq_laptoptime to start compilinng again..? :)16:43
freemangordonlet me help you16:44
zeq_laptopwith cssu-thumb16:44
zeq_laptopI have an upgraded scratchbox target16:44
freemangordonyeah, QT in CSSU is 4.7.416:44
zeq_laptopwith cssu-thumb16:44
freemangordonaah, ok16:44
freemangordonbut qtm is still 1.0.216:44
freemangordonand AFAIK for HARM you need 1.2.016:44
zeq_laptopbut I'm currently using a target which is not cssu, but has the repo in sources.list16:45
freemangordonand gcc 4.2.1?16:45
zeq_laptopand is up-to-date otherwise16:45
freemangordonnaah, you shuld enable cssu-thumb repo16:45
freemangordonand do apt-get update/upgrade16:45
zeq_laptopsorry, yes cssu-thumb is in sources list, upgraded, but not with release upgrade16:46
zeq_laptopother target is fully upgraded16:46
freemangordonit is not needed16:46
freemangordonsiple upgrade should do the job16:47
zeq_laptopit has the cssu-thumb qt libs installed I think16:47
zeq_laptopI guess they don't get held back16:47
freemangordonas long as you have qt-dev-...-bla-bla-thumbN you're ok16:47
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: could you pastebin the exact linker erroro message?16:48
zeq_laptopI don't have the build log16:49
zeq_laptopit's building currently with the failing  code #if 0'd16:50
zeq_laptopIt will probably fail...16:50
freemangordonthat won't work16:50
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zeq_laptopwhat's the qt-mobility package called?16:51
freemangordonzeq_laptop: do you have that one?
freemangordonlet me check16:51
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zeq_laptopI don't have it installed!16:52
zeq_laptopI need to add it to the build-dep for my fennec build16:52
zeq_laptopyou'd think the the configure would have mentioned something... :S16:53
freemangordonzeq_laptop: libqtm-1216:53
freemangordonthat is qt-mobility 1.216:54
freemangordonbut try with 1.0.2 first16:54
zeq_laptopdidn't have that either16:54
freemangordonyeah, that is the one in extyras-devel16:54
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zeq_laptopI'm getting tempted to set up scratchbox on my server...16:54
freemangordonBTW did you looak at the link i posted16:55
zeq_laptopI'll see if it needs applying16:55
freemangordonbecause it adds PKG_CONFIG for qtm :P16:56
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freemangordonand missing QtLocation LD flags :)16:57
zeq_laptopit's already in16:57
freemangordonso how is your configure not failing then ?!?16:57
zeq_laptopgood question!16:58
freemangordonhmm, is there
freemangordonsorry, autogen.sh16:58
freemangordonin main directory16:58
freemangordonwhere did you get the source from?16:59
freemangordonso I can look at debian stuff16:59
zeq_laptopmozilla ftp16:59
freemangordonno git? damn16:59
zeq_laptopI thought I'd do better to at least work from a beta release :)16:59
freemangordonzeq_laptop: seems debian/rules is screwed, is it you to make it?17:00
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zeq_laptopI think that's the right one17:01
freemangordoni need one?17:01
zeq_laptopI'm using the debian/rules from maemo17:01
freemangordonaah, ok17:01
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zeq_laptopit's not very nice though17:01
freemangordonbut it should work17:02
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zeq_laptop there is this in the mozilla source: mozilla-beta/mobile/xul/installer/debian17:04
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zeq_laptopI did take a look at the ubuntu fennec package, it's rather dependent on ubuntu though17:06
freemangordonlet me check what is in maemo-extras17:07
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: may I have you mozconfig17:08
zeq_laptopthink enable-application is wrong... maybe17:12
freemangordongimme some time to download the source17:13
freemangordonaah, control dependencies are for GTK build ;)17:13
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zeq_laptopI changed it because there only seems to be infrastructure in place for mobile/xul and mobile/android17:14
zeq_laptopthe old fennec was built against gtk, but that's been bit-rotting since v717:15
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zeq_laptopthe qt version has seen a lot of optimization since then17:16
freemangordonyeah, sure, my comment was that debian/control has nothing to do with th real requirements17:17
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zeq_laptopyes, I changed it locally17:18
zeq_laptopthere's also a dependency on python-simplejson17:18
zeq_laptopneeded for build17:19
zeq_laptopnot listed17:19
freemangordonthanks. BTW you're missing -O217:20
zeq_laptopthe package seems to take care of -Os -O3 depending on component17:20
freemangordonhmm, strange. OK17:20
zeq_laptopI mean the mozilla build system itself17:20
freemangordonok, build started17:21
freemangordonyeah, got it17:21
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zeq_laptophope you have fast hw ;)17:21
freemangordon4 phenom 955 BE cores17:21
freemangordon3.2 GHz17:21
zeq_laptopsimilar to my server17:22
freemangordonshould be fast enough17:22
zeq_laptopI've been building on core2duo laptop though17:22
freemangordonthat sounds slow17:22
zeq_laptopdefinitely slower17:22
zeq_laptopserver is noisy when it's busy though17:22
zeq_laptopgets annoying17:23
zeq_laptopthe laptop is nicely undervolted, so it has to be working really hard to get the fan really spinning17:24
freemangordonsure, but it takes 35 minutes to build Qt here, 10 to build the kernel :). So I can live with the noise17:24
SpeedEvilMy fan is spinning really fast here.17:25
SpeedEvilAnd the laptop is quite hot17:25
SpeedEvilBut then, it is in the bright sunshine.17:25
zeq_laptopundervolting really helps17:25
zeq_laptoptakes time and patience to profile though17:26
zeq_laptopsame as n90017:26
zeq_laptopexcept that doesn't burn my legs! :)17:27
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teotwakifreemangordon: I'll raise you my dual i5 2500k17:34
teotwaki<fake intel fanboi> AMD SUCKS! </>17:34
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freemangordonteotwaki: :D. I've been AMD fan since the days I was running my 486DX2@80 at 100 MHz. 50 MHz VLB, it was flying :P17:36
freemangordonzeq_laptop: it needs alsa too. but why alsa, I think pulseaudio is the way to go on n90017:38
zeq_laptopfreemangordon: I had an AMD 5x86 running at 150Mhz, 50MHz VLB, quite a machine :)17:38
freemangordonyeah :)17:39
freemangordonzeq_laptop: what about alsa?17:40
zeq_laptopwhat about alsa?17:40
freemangordonchecking for alsa... Package alsa was not found in the pkg-config search path.17:40
freemangordonPerhaps you should add the directory containing `alsa.pc'17:40
freemangordonthat is fennec configure17:40
zeq_laptopdidn't spot that17:40
freemangordonAFAIK alsa sucks on n900, let me check where is that configured17:41
zeq_laptopis it needed for the WebM support or something?17:41
zeq_laptopdoesn't it use gstreamer?17:41
freemangordonn900? yes, it uses gstreamer17:42
zeq_laptopI mean fennec/webm17:42
freemangordonaah, NFC17:42
freemangordonzeq_laptop: Need alsa for Ogg, Wave or WebM decoding on Linux.  Disable with --disable-ogg --disable-wave --disable-webm17:43
freemangordonwell, lets install it then17:44
zeq_laptopyes, we definitely want those features :)17:45
freemangordonthe correct package is libasound2-dev17:46
zeq_laptopI already had it installed17:46
freemangordonyeah. BTW I am adding those to debian/control17:46
zeq_laptopit's already in my control file17:47
freemangordonso next time Depends: will be ok17:47
freemangordonwell, now it is in mine too :P17:47
freemangordonmay I have your depends:17:47
zeq_laptopI added libqtm-dev, don't know if it needs 1.2 yet as you know17:49
freemangordonbtw you should depend only on libqt4-dev for building, without the other qt packages17:50
zeq_laptopothers should be in run-time deps17:51
zeq_laptopdon't know why i did that17:51
freemangordonyeah, happens17:51
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zeq_laptopI do think I made a mistake specifying mobile/xul, what do you have it set to?17:54
freemangordonin mozconfig?17:54
freemangordonI am using yours17:54
zeq_laptopactually, ignore me17:55
zeq_laptopit seems mobile is an alias for mobile/xul anyway from configure output17:55
freemangordonlet me check what are the options17:55
freemangordonaah, ok17:55
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freemangordonok, build process started17:58
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freemangordonhmm, it failed because some file missing, let me start over18:01
zeq_laptopmissing file?18:02
freemangordonyeah, something in asm/18:03
freemangordonyeah, but I tried to build it with -nc flag18:03
freemangordonmost probably that is the reason18:03
zeq_laptop-nc is probably broken given the debian/rules unpacks during build18:07
zeq_laptopit's a bit yucky18:08
freemangordonIll, fix that once the build is ok18:08
freemangordons/Ill, /I'll /18:08
infobotfreemangordon meant: I'll fix that once the build is ok18:08
freemangordon"/home/maemo/workspace/tmp/fennec-14.0b7/mozilla-beta/js/src/assembler/assembler/MacroAssemblerARM.cpp:48:26: fatal error: asm/procinfo.h: No such file or directory18:09
zeq_laptopnot had that problem here18:09
zeq_laptopI have no /usr/include/asm/procinfo.h though18:10
freemangordonit is in /usr/share/source AFAIK18:10
zeq_laptopI have no /usr/share/source18:11
freemangordonlets ask google18:11
zeq_laptopdoesn't sound like it should be being included18:12
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freemangordon#if LINUX_VERSION_CODE < KERNEL_VERSION(2,6,28)18:14
freemangordon#include <asm/procinfo.h>18:14
freemangordonfunny, isn't it18:14
zeq_laptopwhat kernel version do you have?18:14
zeq_laptopwhy does it matter? :S18:15
freemangordonLinux maemo-desktop-13 2.6.32-41-generic #90-Ubuntu SMP Tue May 22 11:31:25 UTC 2012 arm GNU/Linux18:15
freemangordonyeah, should not18:15
zeq_laptopwtf is causing that to happen?18:15
freemangordonany clue where LINUX_VERSION_CODE is defined18:16
zeq_laptopit's included just above the code you quoted ^^ ;(18:17
freemangordon#define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 13263018:17
freemangordonyeah, seems I have to install linux-headers-cssu18:18
zeq_laptopI have "linux-kernel-headers" installed18:18
zeq_laptopnot sure which repo that's from18:18
freemangordoncssu-thumb :P18:19
zeq_laptopexplains it :)18:19
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freemangordonhmm, for some reason apt-get thinks linux-kernel-headers in cssu-thumb are lower version than those in sdk repo :S18:22
zeq_laptopwhy did it get work for me?18:22
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freemangordondamn. the package name is linux-kernel-cssu-headers :(18:23
zeq_laptopmine is definitely linux-kernel-headers18:26
freemangordonI have that installed too, NFC why it has a lower linux version18:26
freemangordonwell, after installing kernel-cssu-headers it seems ok18:27
zeq_laptopgood :)18:28
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freemangordonhmm, its getting noisy here :D18:37
zeq_laptopno more errors?18:40
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: is there a reason for specifying vfp in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS over neon?  (The cortex-a8 has a really incapable vfp unit.)19:01
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zeq_laptopI was just thinking about the thumb SDK howto19:02
freemangordonzeq_laptop: AFAIK gcc vectoriser sucks19:02
zeq_laptopeven on 4.6?19:02
freemangordonotherwise that is a legacy from ARMEL_FREMANTLE target19:03
zeq_laptopI read on wikipedia the VFP is 10x slower19:03
freemangordoncould be19:03
freemangordonbut AFAIK you should enable -munsafe-math too, as NEON has some precision incompatibilities with ieee standart19:04
freemangordonotherwise vectoriser wouldn't kick in19:04
freemangordonIt is possible I am talking bullshit too :D19:04
zeq_laptopyou could well be right, if so it's a rational for the default at least19:05
infobotzeq_laptop meant: you could well be right, if so it's a rationale for the default at least19:06
zeq_laptophowever, I suspect if a typical order of magnitude performance difference is typical...19:06
freemangordonzeq_laptop: I is the same situation as with MMX/SSEx AFAIK, you should use asm to have some speed gain19:07
zeq_laptopwell -mfpmath=sse is std on x86_6419:07
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freemangordonyeah, but do you thing ARM gcc is as advanced as x86/64 is? I doubt.19:08
freemangordonwell, now we have a modern gcc version we can do some tests19:08
freemangordonjust need to find a victim to be optimized19:08
zeq_laptop4.2 was pretty horrible19:08
freemangordonon the other hand I think we already have neon/pld optimized memcpy in libc619:09
zeq_laptopmentions mp3 as a victim19:09
zeq_laptopmp3 stream decoding @10Mhz19:10
freemangordonyeah, but it should be hand-coded, I don't think gcc can make it19:10
freemangordonWOW, linking libxul :)19:10
zeq_laptopthe vectorizor was seriously improved in 4.619:11
freemangordoncould be, I don't have much deeper knowledge on gcc internals19:11
zeq_laptopmight need -ftree-vectorize though to turn it on19:11
freemangordonyeah, that one too19:11
freemangordonalong with -funsafe-math19:12
freemangordon(or whatever the switch was)19:12
zeq_laptopnot relevent for fennec though because it is hand coded for NEON19:12
freemangordonaah, yeah :)19:12
zeq_laptopor theres -Ofast today too19:12
zeq_laptopthat one's fun for breaking things :)19:13
zeq_laptop(My entire Gentoo is built with it btw)19:13
zeq_laptopexcept where it's *known* to break things19:14
zeq_laptopmost packages actually check during configure for ieee754 compliance where they need it19:15
zeq_laptopit's just those which don't...19:15
freemangordondamn, what size has libxul in fennec, it is linking for the last 5 minutes :O19:15
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zeq_laptopit's probably big19:15
freemangordonyeah, probably :)19:16
freemangordonI hope I won't run out of RAM19:16
zeq_laptopwith fennec 7 from extras it's 21.7M stripped19:17
freemangordonhmm, I am already OOM :(19:17
zeq_laptophow much do you have?19:17
freemangordonIt's a virtual machine, 1GB19:17
freemangordonotherwise I have $19:17
zeq_laptopI'm going to hit the same limit aren't I.../19:18
zeq_laptopcan we give it more?19:18
freemangordonlets hope 1.5 GB of swap will be enough19:18
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zeq_laptopis it scratchbox that's limited? or are you running in a separate VM?19:19
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freemangordonI am running Nokia's wmware image19:19
zeq_laptopoh right ok19:19
zeq_laptopso I should be okay ...19:19
freemangordonok, ld failed19:19
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freemangordonundefined reference to `MaemoLocationProvider::SetHighAccuracy(bool)'19:20
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zeq_laptopor missing symbol?19:20
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freemangordonnoo, it is a missing symbol19:20
freemangordonthe same as yours19:20
zeq_laptopTHE missing symbol19:20
freemangordonTHE missing symbol19:20
freemangordonare you shure the patch from romaxa is there19:21
zeq_laptopIt might be worth trying with it reverted19:21
zeq_laptopI've no idea where that comes from19:21
freemangordonbut why it cannot find it then. BTW I don't see any libqtm libs in ld command line, only Qt ones19:21
zeq_laptopin the bugzilla entry it talks about Android19:21
freemangordonhmm,let me check PKG_CONFIG19:22
zeq_laptopyet my googling reveals that API is related to qtm19:22
freemangordonwell, that could explain why19:22
freemangordonzeq_laptop: that is from config.log:19:24
freemangordon"/scratchbox/compilers/arm-linux-fremantle-gcc4.6.2/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.6.2/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtSensors"19:24
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zeq_laptopwhich is?19:26
zeq_laptopis it related?19:26
freemangordonconfigure:16153: checking for QtSensors QtFeedback QtLocation19:27
freemangordonis it? :P19:27
freemangordoncould be that PKG_CONFIG cannot find libwtm package on fremantle19:28
zeq_laptopokay, so what is libwtm?19:28
freemangordonsorry, typo, libqtm19:29
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freemangordondamn, there is no QtSensors package19:29
zeq_laptopfreemangordon: I have a symlink: ->
zeq_laptopbut no
freemangordonbut there is no pkgconfig package19:30
zeq_laptopmissing lib in qt19:30
zeq_laptopthere is no lib19:30
freemangordonno, missing .pc19:30
zeq_laptopjust the symlink19:30
freemangordonthere is a library, but no .pc in -dev package19:30
zeq_laptopI don't have the lib19:30
zeq_laptopI have a symlink belonging to libqtm-dev19:31
freemangordonhmm, me too19:31
zeq_laptopthe lib is missing here19:31
freemangordonseems after all we need libqtm1219:31
freemangordonOr I screwed it up when libqtm was build19:32
freemangordonlemme check19:32
zeq_laptopis it installed into /usr/lib or opt?19:32
freemangordonit should be in /opt19:33
zeq_laptopqtm-12 is installed into /opt/qtm1219:33
freemangordonqtm is in /opt/maemo/usr/lib19:33
zeq_laptopI decided to install it since you didn't, just in case19:33
zeq_laptopbut there's a b0rken symlink in /usr/lib19:34
freemangordonbut you should change which version to be used, hold on19:34
freemangordonit is not so simple19:34
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: seems I screwed up qtm-sensors.install, lemme fix it19:35
zeq_laptoplibqtm-dev doesn't pull in the binaries19:35
freemangordonit depends on the other packages19:36
freemangordongive me 10 minutes to fix qt-mobility package19:36
zeq_laptoplibqtm-sensors at least isn't installed19:36
zeq_laptopI have no broken deps19:36
freemangordonhmm, correct19:37
zeq_laptoplibqtm-location is installed though19:37
zeq_laptopexcept -dev creates symlinks to non-existant libs19:37
zeq_laptopat least QtSensors19:37
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freemangordondamn, seems -dev package dependencies are screwed19:38
freemangordonapt-get install libqtm-sensors does the job19:38
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zeq_laptopis it the only missing one?19:38
freemangordonI think so19:38
zeq_laptopthat fixed my symlink19:39
zeq_laptopI wonder if it's too late for my build19:39
freemangordonI am afraid yes :(19:39
freemangordonas you win't have -lQtSensors19:40
zeq_laptoppretty silly of configure allowing it to continue19:40
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freemangordonI'm starting over, thanks god it takes only 30 minutes here19:40
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freemangordonbut will increase my RAM to 2GB before that19:42
zeq_laptopgood idea19:43
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zeq_laptopI wonder if it would be worth using neon instead of vfp even for scalar math given the a8's VFPLite?19:45
zeq_laptopI'm going to look into the non-conformance issue19:46
freemangordonswitching between neon/vfp is a very heavy op, something like 25-50 CPU ticks19:46
zeq_laptopso it's better if it's used more if it all19:47
freemangordonbut have in mind everything else is vfp19:48
zeq_laptopany idea how it interacts with the context switch buffer flush hit?19:48
zeq_laptop(from the thumb bug workaround)19:49
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freemangordonshould not be affected by it AIUI, it is BTB that is flushed19:49
freemangordonand that should have nothing to do with neon state19:50
zeq_laptopI still would rather see some benchmarks than reach premature conclusions19:50
freemangordonor think a while that neon shares the same registers/execution pipeline with vfp19:50
zeq_laptophow much is vfp really used though? what's going to be running fp heavy? serious question19:51
zeq_laptopthat's easy enough to NEONize though19:52
freemangordonall transitions are calculated using doubles19:52
freemangordon(and not floats ;) )19:53
freemangordonNFC how is that compiled19:53
freemangordonbut suspect it is vfp19:53
zeq_laptopyeah, that's a complication19:54
freemangordonthere is even a proposed patch for hildon-desctop replacina all sin/cos, etc with fsin,fcos, and doubles with floats19:55
zeq_laptopis a double really necessary for that?19:55
freemangordondidn't make it in CSSU, don't ask me why19:55
freemangordonshould not be really needed19:55
freemangordonI mean double precision.19:56
freemangordonBut having in mind there is libclutter used, which is double precision, I wonder how much the gain will be19:56
zeq_laptopworth testing I'd have thought19:57
freemangordonwell, join CSSU team then19:58
freemangordonBTW for how long do you have your n900?19:58
zeq_laptop~1.5 years19:58
zeq_laptop3rd N900 actually (USB)19:58
freemangordonhmm, why it took you so long to join the fun? Or I am missing something19:59
zeq_laptopyou're not missing anything19:59
zeq_laptopI was busy with Gentoo19:59
freemangordonaah, ok19:59
zeq_laptoponly so many hours in a day20:00
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freemangordonyeah, I know :)20:00
freemangordonhmm, that looks better "Mem:       2061488    1759064     302424"20:01
zeq_laptopI really should have become a full Gentoo Dev, but never took the test.20:02
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zeq_laptopI didn't see the need since I could fix things through bugzilla, and overlays, but lately fixes never seem to make their way from the bugzilla.20:03
zeq_laptopOT though20:03
freemangordonzeq_laptop: I was not joking about CSSU, we really need more devs there, think about it20:04
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freemangordonand have in mind the real fun is starting now, as I see it20:05
zeq_laptopReally need to brush up on my Debain-fu20:05
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zeq_laptopI agree, although I'm somewhat concerned about divergence from mer20:06
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freemangordonwell, SB and git is a piece of cake, I am not linux developer only(because of my job), n900 was my first contact with debian, my knowledge was on fedora20:07
zeq_laptopgit is no problem, and I'm getting the hang of SB20:07
zeq_laptopI just forgot a lot about Debain packaging over the years20:08
zeq_laptoplike the various patch systems20:08
freemangordonwell, to be honest all of the packages I saw because of n900 have different debian/rules :D20:08
freemangordonand it seems only quilt is used20:09
freemangordonanyway, it is up to you, but feel welcomed20:09
zeq_laptopI read earlier that quilt is now integrated in format3 rules20:10
freemangordon(hmm, welcomed? is there such a word in english?)20:10
zeq_laptopthanks, I probably will :)20:10
freemangordonaah, thanks20:10
zeq_laptopbut not that usage ;)20:10
zeq_laptoponly kidding20:10
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zeq_laptopyou should feel welcome to join/or welcomed aboard20:11
freemangordonaaah, yeah, thanks20:11
freemangordonhmm, still not hitting swap, thats good20:12
zeq_laptopmore more errors in config.log?20:13
freemangordonzeq_laptop: BTW have in mind kernel-cssu which is currently a dependency (i.e. is installed on your n900) has a bug20:13
freemangordonthumb-2 related, there is a newer version in the repo, but it breaks mp-fremantle-community-pr20:14
zeq_laptopI should wait then?20:14
freemangordonI am wating to see if X crashes are really fixed before making a new release20:14
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: well, most probably no, the bug is: when a thumb2-compiled signal handler is called, it is possible some fun things to happen20:15
zeq_laptoplike corruption?20:16
freemangordonlike whatever you can imagine if first 1-4 instructions of the functions are not executed :D20:17
freemangordoni.e. signal handler20:17
zeq_laptopthat's not good!20:17
freemangordonwho said it is20:17
freemangordonthe good think is there is a fix20:17
freemangordonand I compiled a kernel with that fix20:18
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freemangordonso far it seems pretty OK, running on my primary device (the only phone I am using)20:18
freemangordon"/home/maemo/workspace/tmp/fennec-14.0b7/mozilla-beta/dom/system/unix/QTMLocationProvider.h:40:34: fatal error: QGeoPositionInfoSource: No such file or directory"20:19
zeq_laptopI'm running the version with the bug on my primary device, it's obiously not hit too often20:19
freemangordondo you hit it at all?20:19
zeq_laptopnot yet20:19
freemangordonyeah, that is a tricky one20:19
zeq_laptopalthough I'm cooking dinner atm and on battery which slows the laptop down20:20
zeq_laptop(BIOS override with media bay battery - don't ask)20:20
freemangordonThat is the kernel bug I hit when thumb-compiled X20:21
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freemangordonnice, isn't it :)20:22
zeq_laptopour kernel's that old now...?20:22
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freemangordonwell, there are lots of backports20:22
zeq_laptopI forgot how old it is20:22
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zeq_laptopeven more backports in KP/CSSU20:23
zeq_laptopbut still20:23
freemangordonthis IS KP20:23
zeq_laptopyes, I know20:24
freemangordonv -pre5120:24
zeq_laptopI just meant that even though the kernel has a lot of backported fixes, it's still a very old kernel by now20:24
freemangordonyeah, but there is no better option for fremantle so far20:25
zeq_laptopsome fixes get missed20:25
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zeq_laptopis there any plan to eventually transition to mer+hildon?20:26
zeq_laptopor is there not sufficient coverage of non-distributable binaries for a fully functional device?20:27
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freemangordonnone afaik. And TBH there are still too many pieces missing20:27
freemangordonzeq_laptop: GF came, have to go :)20:27
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freemangordonhappy fennec-building20:27
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zeq_laptopokay see you later20:28
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: when you get back, I've determined the reason for the build failure: QTDIR is unset which results in various paths being from "/" instead of "/usr", specificly in the case of the build failure: $QTDIR/include/QtLocation21:09
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freemangordonzeq_laptop: I am semi-back, but thanks. Anyway I won't have time today to continue fennec building, hope you succeed21:54
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: that's no problem, thanks for your help with it so far.  Hit the next failure now; no QFeedbackEffect22:02
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zeq_laptopfreemangordon: It does need at least qtm-11 for QtFeedback, but qtm-11-dev doesn't install the pkgconfig files.22:24
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kaizerslawtenHello Guys23:18
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Raimufreemangordon: Why's the new kernel break the mp?23:40
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