IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-06-07

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vi_why I cannot remove status are orientation applett without removing mp-fremantle-community-pr?00:40
vi_What if I do not want the stupid status area applett??00:40
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vi_apt-get remove status-area-orientationlock-applet00:44
vi_Reading package lists... Done00:44
vi_Building dependency tree00:44
vi_Reading state information... Done00:44
vi_The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libcpaboutcssu00:44
vi_Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.00:44
vi_The following packages will be REMOVED: mp-fremantle-community-pr status-area-orientationlock-applet00:44
int_uavi_: mp-fremantle-community-pr is just a metapackage, IIRC00:46
vi_so if I remove it no ill will occour?00:46
vi_merlin1991: ping00:47
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vi_I hope my n900 will not explode.00:48
MohammadAGvi_, you could just remove the .desktop file for it00:49
vi_although I have just apt-got it away.00:49
vi_TY for your advice none the less.00:49
MohammadAGnp house00:51
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MohammadAGyou're the one with the weird community awards application :p00:52
vi_It was supposed to be funny.00:52
freemangordonit was :)00:52
vi_The exact opposite of the whiny crap some people were coming out with.00:52
vi_I await my n950.00:53
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int_uawhat was the application mentioned?)00:57
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int_uaare there any apps like gcolor2? All sketch-like applications I have don't show hex color codes00:59
merlin1991vi___: pong01:01
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Atariifinally fixed it, it was an IPv6 bug with Mail for Exchange! :(01:23
AtariiDamn IPv6 day01:24
Atariiif people have this issue again, please refer to here:
povbot_Bug 9943: MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses01:24
freemangordonAtarii: could it be the same bug in libcurl3 which is causing FB widget / photo uploader to fail?01:25
Atariire the chat in #maemo-ssu?01:26
Atariipossibly, try hardcoding a IPv4 IP into dnsmasq.conf01:27
ZogGsomeone highlighted me?01:27
freemangordoncould you try to install libcurl3 from extras-devel (without DNS restrictions) and report. If it is affecting more applications, we could raise the priority (whatever it means)01:28
* freemangordon appologies for typos, he is really tired01:28
Atariiwhat's the steps to reproduce? is there already  a bug report?01:28
freemangordondon't think so01:29
freemangordonstep to reproduce?01:29
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Atariito reproduce the problem01:29
freemangordonwith Mail for Exchange?01:29
Atariii thought the FB bug?01:30
freemangordonAtarii: it is already confirmed that newer libcurl3 fixes FB01:30
freemangordonMy question was if it fixes your problem too01:30
Atariii was already on the newest version01:30
Atariiso i guess not01:30
freemangordon(the newer libcurl3)01:30
Atariilet me check exact version string01:30
freemangordonfrom extras-devel?01:30
freemangordonit was uploaded a week or so ago01:30
Atariii guess i must have that01:31
Atariiextras-devel is enabled and no update available01:31
freemangordonnah, give me the output from dpkg -l | grep libcurl301:32
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freemangordonnah, that is the old one01:33
Atariiah sorry01:33
freemangordondo apt-get install libcurl301:33
Atariiyea it says on latest01:34
Atariilet me check my repos01:34
Atarii - fremantle - free non-free ?01:34
freemangordonAtarii: NFC why, but that is the stock version01:35
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freemangordonii  libcurl3                                            7.25.0-1maemo701:35
freemangordonanyway, gtg, will ask someone from cssu team to continue that01:36
Atariiok :)01:36
freemangordonmerlin1991, please ^^^01:37
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Palisome interesting NOLO log:
PaliNOLO has debug console01:56
Paliand also interesting is DEB package nolo_1.4.14.9+0m5_armel.deb and directory /usr/share/osso/boot/01:57
Pali(deb package is from
Palithere are a lot of NOLO versions and one is working in qemu01:58
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Palijacekowski, you can write me message if I'm online too (I will read it in irc log as your yesterday attempt to ping/catch me :)02:02
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merlin1991[   0.176]   ´┐Żber-cool backlight fade-in took 139 ms02:14
merlin1991dat rofl02:14
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DocScrutinizer06string /dev/mtd1|less02:47
DocScrutinizer06anyway for sure more intriguing than to claim the optimum way to fix USB was soldering wires to testpoints under battery, as soldering components is allegedly too dangerous, but then suggesting to solder components to try and short choke to make ESD tranzorbs help protecting the PHY XP02:50
DocScrutinizer06which will help as much against ESD as does connecting your water tubbing in your house to a wire burried under the house, for lightning surge02:52
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HurrianDocScrutinizer06, has anybody tested whether it was protected?03:57
SpeedEvilIt's inherently unprotected due to the design in that case.03:58
Hurrianiirc someone blew a fuse on the testpoints, but not all of them have protections03:58
SpeedEvilAnd you can't really test it.03:58
Hurrianyeah, testing would yield one of two results: nothing, or it breaks03:58
SpeedEvilIt's like trying to test the safety of bike helmets by using real people.03:58
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LaoLang_coolMaemo keyboard is so limitation, no shortcuts to open menus/select items etc.04:26
LaoLang_coolonly for input text04:26
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Estel_shorting choke in USB circuit isn't good idea, but, without doiung so, USB chip itself got 8,8 kV protecting diodes05:03
Estel_so N900's main protecting circuit is in fact secondary one05:03
Estel_of cours,e it's beter to have 2 lines of defense, but, for people with usb port broken beyond soldering to normal pads,. using testpads under battery seems to work flawlessly05:04
Estel_It's more risky than overclocking - yes - but, considering fact, that DocScrutinizer is "whinning" against overclocking for years, and up to date, we don't have *any* single report of damage due to (sane) OC (or, in fact, we don't have report about any damage...)05:05
Estel_...I suspect, that people using testpads-USB for months without problems will benefit from it for years to come, and we will never ever hear about any fried USB chip, except, if someone's N900 get hit by lightning05:06 which case, tranzorbs wouldn't help too ;)05:06
Estel_it just another case of zealot'ish ideology vs real life05:06
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robbiethe1stNext weekend, I'll try it myself if I can...05:20
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disco_stusomeone with a nokia n9 ?06:06
GeneralAntillesDoes N950 count?06:06
GeneralAntillesAlso: Do I have to do anything for you or can I just brag?06:06
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disco_stuGeneralAntilles: i think it counts, i'm just wondering..06:25
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: don't know if I should by the n9 or no06:25
GeneralAntillesYou should06:25
GeneralAntillesIt's utterly unique06:25
* disco_stu doesnt know the n95006:25
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: i like that06:26
GeneralAntillesIt's what was supposed to be the N906:26
GeneralAntillesBut wasn't once things got all delayed and screwed up06:26
GeneralAntillesand ended up being the unreleased developer device with a keyboard.06:26
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: i've been using android for 2 years know, it sucks *big* time06:26
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: i've seen videos of the n9 and meego really looks something awesome06:27
GeneralAntillesYeah Harmattan is the best mobile OS I've ever used.06:27
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GeneralAntillesSwipe is something to behold.06:27
GeneralAntillesIt's not without its flaws06:27
GeneralAntillesBuilt-in browser is terrible compared to the N900 (but arguably better than Android and iOS in a lot of ways).06:28
GeneralAntillesMemory hog06:28
disco_stuoh my, the n950 looks sooooo cool06:29
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disco_stuGeneralAntilles: something is holding me back a little (just a little) is the lack of whatsapp client, but sports tracker client makes me really happy06:30
GeneralAntillesThere's a WhatsApp client06:30
GeneralAntillesOpen source and everything06:30
disco_stupeople keep telling me that android has a huge load of apps, but the truth is that with my 2 year old motorla i cant have a lot of apps06:33
disco_stuand used to my n800 (diablo) the thing that bothers me the most is the crappines of android to handle multitasking06:33
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disco_stuit seems you need 3gigs of ram to have a few apps06:34
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disco_stuGeneralAntilles: when you said Memory Hog, what did you mean by that ?06:35
GeneralAntillesThe browser tends to eat up memory06:35
GeneralAntillesIt's got 1GB of RAM, though, so it's not a huge issue.06:35
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: and the processor is fast enough? are there browser alternatives ? like Opera Mini ?06:36
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disco_stuGeneralAntilles: the other option may be a nokia n8 but ... symbian ...06:40
GeneralAntillesHarmattan is way better than Symbian06:40
GeneralAntillesBesides, you'll own a piece of history.06:40
disco_stui dont understand how they decided to put away harmattan and turn to windows phone06:42
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GeneralAntillesBecause the board is filled with dinosaurs.06:43
GeneralAntillesIt's not entirely surprising.06:43
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GeneralAntillesOn one hand they've got this mostly-in-house venture they're sort of partnering with Intel on (but having a ton of issues in the partnership). It's expensive, it's risky, and it's basically going it on your own.06:44
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GeneralAntillesOn the other they've got Microsoft. Established player, Nokia wont have to do the heavy-lifting on the platform development. MS's offering them shittons of cash, patent protection, development assistance, and shittons of cash.06:45
GeneralAntillesEasy choice if you're a clueless old dinosaur who's living in the 90s.06:45
GeneralAntillesNow they're trading for $2.88.06:45
GeneralAntillesLove it.06:45
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: $2.88 ?06:46
GeneralAntillesNOK is at $2.8806:46
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: is that good ? i'm from argentina i make wine dont know much about stocks06:47
GeneralAntillesNo. No, it's not good.06:48
GeneralAntillesTrading for about $40 in 2007.06:48
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disco_stuGeneralAntilles: omg, the were/are at the edge ?06:48
GeneralAntillesNokia is headed for the toilet.06:49
GeneralAntillesI don't see them pulling out soon.06:49
disco_stuGeneralAntilles: what phone are you using currently ?06:49
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jacekowskiGeneralAntilles: well, facebook has dropped 50% in first day06:57
jacekowskiGeneralAntilles: and it's still going down06:57
GeneralAntillesHas Facebook ever released an update that hasn't made their core product worse?06:58
GeneralAntillesMy continued faith in the stock market is once-again justified.06:58
HurrianGeneralAntilles, the interface has become more cluttered and confusing since 200807:00
GeneralAntillesI was on Facebook in 200607:00
Hurrianbuttons put in the wrong place, totally different UIs for lightbox and page view, etc07:00
GeneralAntillesEvery update they released from then until 2008 when I left Facebook made it worse.07:00
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GeneralAntillesSo it really doesn't surprise me that their IPO was shit.07:00
GeneralAntillesIt's heartening to see the dotcom bubble isn't completely back.07:01
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Estel_Nokia? was it that company deceased in 2013 or 2014?07:50
Estel_It was so long ago...07:50
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malinanyone having problems, syncing N900 with google calendar? Mine stoped working yesterday or the day before yesterday10:54
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MohammadAGCan anyone give me the ip resolved by their dns for mohammadag.xceleo.org11:20
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teotwakiDo you want the full record, MohammadAG?11:22
teotwakiMohammadAG: use dig :P11:23
teotwakidig @ mohammadag.xceleo.org11:23
teotwakior dig @someotherdns <mywebsite>11:23
MohammadAGI'm on my iPhone :/11:23 14396 IN A says our friendly local DNS server.11:24
teotwakiI'm wondering whether I should kick/ban you right away or not11:24
Corsacmaybe theres dig on iphone11:24
fizzieMaybe there's... an app for that.11:25
MohammadAGMaybe, the iPhone does have its fair share of unix utils11:25
MohammadAGteotwaki: Democracy11:27
MohammadAGfizzie: Thanks, says unavailable though11:27
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teotwaki??? I gave the IP address as my first reply!11:33
MohammadAGThanks teotwaki, just noticed that11:33
MohammadAGIt scrolled out of view on the iPhone's 3.5" screen11:34
teotwakiMohammadAG: that's just your vhost setup being clonked11:34
Estel^Pali, ping11:34
Estel^MohammadAG,  just use N900 :P11:34
teotwakibut I have access to the website without too many issues11:34
MohammadAGIt doesn't last a day through uni11:34
Estel^MohammadAG,  mine have 3000 mAh battery, and soon will have 6A one11:35
MohammadAGYeah, but my .htaccess keeps getting hacked11:35
teotwakiyour .htaccess keeps getting hacked?11:35
Estel^MohammadAG,  secure it? ;)11:35
teotwakiWhat the hell does that even mean?11:35
MohammadAGArie keeps being redirected to a Russian site11:35
teotwakiMohammadAG: then you have some file upload form that has issues11:35
teotwakiMohammadAG: it won't be DNS.11:36
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Estel^maybe it's arie dns being hacked11:36
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MohammadAGNo, it's my htaccess file11:36
MohammadAGIt keeps being replaced by one that redirects to a Russian site11:36
Estel^identified vulnerability responsible?11:36
MohammadAGNo idea, wondering if it's Wordpress11:37
Estel^sounds reasonable11:37
teotwakiMohammadAG: stop wondering11:37
Estel^I suppose it's hacked by bot, and bots are written for popular things11:37
Estel^yea, disable it and check effects11:37
MohammadAGThen what should I use? :p11:38
teotwakiMohammadAG: upgrade wordpress11:38
Estel^patched version or some honest FOSS tool :P11:38
HurrianMAG, there seems to be some script attached to the top11:38
teotwakiyou mean this page: ?11:39
Hurriani'd recommend simply writing your pages by hand11:39
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Hurrian<script src="hxxp://">11:39
teotwaki<script src=""></script>11:39
Estel^not necessary, wordpress isn't only one tool in existence11:39
teotwakiMohammadAG: use Wt11:40
teotwakiMohammadAG: (
teotwakiC++, Qt-style widgets that make web-pages :)11:40
Estel^BTW, MohammadAG, of course is's Your business not mine, but why using some, erm, sorry to say that, crappy iPhone, instead of buying dual-scud and having N900 with full tools with You, everywhere?11:41
Estel^trying to identify vulnerabilities/ do some net checks/tracing using an android or iphone make most tech people want to kill themselves11:42
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HurrianMAG, I'd recommend flattening the site first before you do anything11:42
Estel^yea, nuke it11:42
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Hurrianchecking each file, whether manual or automatic does not guarantee cleaning11:43
Hurrianoh, and unless you really need all of wordpress, don't use it11:43
teotwakiMohammadAG: if you want to setup a website based on Wt, I'll help you write it :)11:44
MohammadAGEstel^: The iPhone is a bit more higher specced11:45
MohammadAGteotwaki: C++, Qt-style widgets that make web-pages :)11:45
Estel^sure, most consoles too, when they arrive. Wchich doesn't mean, that they're actually more useful than average computer11:45
Estel^but I'm not pushing You, of course, it's not my business as said.11:46
Estel^Was just surprised.11:46
HurrianEstel^, speaking of consoles, my PS3 has been compiling webkit for 4 hours now11:47
Estel^nice, that You managed to overcome obstacles11:48
Estel^needed cross-compiler, yep? to get out of depend. loop?11:48
MohammadAGEstel^: I know, I've had the iPhone since October11:48
HurrianEstel^, cross-compiler built a base system, which I run on the PS311:48
Hurrianpacman doesn't play nice with cross-compiling11:48
MohammadAGIt's jailbroken, most limits taken off11:49
Estel^probably because of ghosts ;)11:49
HurrianMohammadAG, which firmware?11:49
MohammadAGAt least there's no aegis11:49
Hurrianupdating jailbroken iOS is a royal pain though11:49
MohammadAGiPhone? 5.1.1, ps3? Latest11:49
Estel^MohammadAG,  supposed that. Still, it's probably, closed blob *everywhere*?11:49
MohammadAGHurrian: Royal is an understatement11:50
HurrianEstel^, not only closed blob for firmware, closed jailbreak apps11:50
MohammadAGEstel^: How's harmattan different? :p11:50
Hurrianthe "ecosystem" is very much different11:50
MohammadAGThat's true11:50
Estel^MohammadAG,  I'm sure fighting aegis isn't harder than jailbreaking, just need more time to maturate, probably11:50
MohammadAGMost tweaks are closed and paid11:50
Estel^but of course aegis IS royal pITA11:50
MohammadAGJailbreaking is a bitch for its deva11:50
MohammadAGThere's DES, ASLR, and the sandbox11:51
Estel^erm, I suppose it's worse than android, where even terminal and ssh got advers or require to pay?11:51
MohammadAGMeanwhile, aegis can be broken with a kernel hack11:52
MohammadAGNo, apps are way better11:52
MohammadAGAndroid is the worst there11:52
HurrianEstel^, well, the fact that the UI toolkit is unified makes it more bearable11:52
Estel^honestly, without any elitarism, couln't use such systems (android, iphone) seriously, out of dumn-phone. Would literally go mad trying to find something FOSS and proper11:52
Hurrianyou do have the occasional idiot that decides it'd be nice to deviate from that, but otherwise, most jailbreak apps are nicely-made11:52
Estel^MohammadAG,  but more closed than android?11:52
MohammadAGMobileSubstrate is good11:53
Hurrianmemory hog.11:53
* MohammadAG looks at 26MB free ram11:53
Hurrianafter ~5 substrates the heavy games may be killed from OOM11:54
Estel^You know what? I've just spent some time soldering sd card reader to my 200 mhz wrt54gl, and installing/configuring openwrt there. Planning to solder usb 1.1 port too.11:54
MohammadAGDepends what they hook11:54
Estel^preffer that 1000x times, than buying brand new 345456456 mhz router11:54
MohammadAGI hate android's Ecosystem11:54
Estel^and deal with blobs, pauware etc11:54
HurrianEstel^, fyi, the de facto iOS jailbreaking tool, redsn0w is closed-source11:55
MohammadAGI hate how rom cookers don't give a shit about legal stuff11:55
Estel^i hate using ecosystem outside of animal planet context :11:55
Estel^MohammadAG,  true11:55
MohammadAGI hate how they're like oooh, we removed voltage restrictions and the device runs faster11:55
Estel^Hurrian,  heh11:55
MohammadAGIt's safe! Release11:55
Estel^honestly, both android and apples are not for me11:55
Estel^but, honestly, some android people are knowledgeable too11:56
MohammadAGMost aren't11:56
Estel^there is just much more of them, so more semi-hackers too11:56
MohammadAGThe opposite on iOS11:56
HurrianMohammadAG, most ROMs that aren't CM9 straight KANGs are AWFUL11:56
MohammadAGMost devs make me feel like an idiot11:56
Estel^in numbers, probably, more than knowledgeable apple eaters - just more difused11:56
Estel^MohammadAG,  honestly, You're just new to platform11:57
Estel^they would look like idiots when come to real linux tools or Maemo ;)11:57
MohammadAGEstel^: Look at jailbreak developers11:57
Estel^yea, same can be told about cyanogen mod people11:58
MohammadAG@pod2g, @chpwn to name a few11:58
HurrianMohammadAG, jailbreak development is tough, and lots depend on pure luck11:58
Estel^although, IMO, they're not even close to freemangordon and Pali ;)11:58
Hurrianside note, anybody want to test jailbreaking an iPhone from a N900?11:58
MohammadAGWorking with open source is easy Estel^11:58
Estel^i.e. Maemo. Just different words11:58
Estel^+ hanging on ios, even dev irc, or android one, compared to maemo...11:58
Estel^MohammadAG,  not only easy, but more beneficial11:59
Estel^buying *overpriced* toy from apple, then volounteering hours of ultra hard work...11:59
Estel^to make it barely usable and make other people fill apple's purse...11:59
HurrianEstel^, some people just like iOS that much11:59
MohammadAGThey get donations ;p11:59
Estel^Isn't my favorite way.11:59
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Estel^of course, they're free to do whatever they want12:00
Estel^with their time12:00
Estel^Hurrian,  true12:00
MohammadAGI would've gone with android but it's not sane12:00
Estel^well, typical apple users seems like having a little too much money ;)12:00
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Estel^MohammadAG,  Stay with us ;)12:00
MohammadAGMy 1GHz iPhone runs faster than a 1.2GHz dual core  SGSII12:00
Estel^vivaldi is coming, Pi arrived, and trust me, Mobile computer-phone is just after horizon.12:01
MohammadAGI never left, if I was going to I would've left in October12:01
Estel^I know ;)12:01
HurrianEstel^, most iOS hackers don't buy their devices, they get gifted.12:01
vi_Estel^: we already have mobile computer phones.  WE have had them for at least a decade....12:01
Estel^Hurrian,  first one buyed, I suppose :P12:01
vi_...just no iseful operating system.12:01
MohammadAGThen they get hired by apple12:01
Estel^eaten by apple ;)12:02
MohammadAGExplains the bite in their logo12:02
MohammadAGAnyway, I needed a device with commercial apps12:02
Estel^I' glad Rpi haven't included bite in their raspberry12:02
MohammadAGAnd I needed to lower my bill12:02
MohammadAGSo it was either iPhone 4, or SGSII12:03
Estel^why comm apps?12:03
MohammadAGThey're useful12:03
MohammadAGStuff like SoundHound, WhatsApp, Viber12:03
Estel^Yea, banging head against them is quite effective.12:03
MohammadAGI dont like to use them but everyone is12:03
* Estel^ is going to vomit12:03
Hurrianmeh, network effect12:04
Estel^MohammadAG,  why You care about what "others" like to use?12:04
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Estel^well, some time ago, literally everyone in family and friends were using skype12:04
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HurrianEstel^, same here12:04
Estel^few years/months ago, actually12:04
MohammadAGEstel^: No, but you have to unless you want to talk to yourself :p12:05
Hurrianthat's a problem, haven't found universal alternative for it12:05
Estel^Then, when i realized silver needle in the sky(pe), I just dropped it12:05
Estel^gently telling anyone surprised why12:05
MohammadAGEstel^: Yeah, but people keep saying whatsapp is lighter than Skype (P2P$12:05
vi_I knew a man who decided to go open source software only.12:05
Estel^if they were interested, I explained12:05
Estel^if not, just no12:05
vi_He was patent free right up till the day he commited suicicde12:05
Estel^then, one by one, everyone else dropped it, even if it took them weeks or months12:06
Estel^to the last most untechy ones12:06
MohammadAGI'm not sure if that's supposed to be funny12:06
Estel^a small piece of something I've said about it being wrong, vulnerable itp, got planted12:06
Estel^now everyone uses proper voip12:06
Estel^heck, few weeks ago I convinced my mother to seel xperia x10 mini pro and buy N90012:07
Estel^I just don't use closed coms like skype, whatsapp, or whatever. If someone doesn't want to contact me in other form, can kiss own ass.12:08
Estel^of course, generally, I explain it more gently :P12:08
vi_Estel^: do you hate your mother?12:08
Estel^You know what? even in business I do not use skype, gently explaining why. Reaction from clients is supriringly positive12:08
vi_Estel^: what is wrong with skype?12:09
Estel^vi_,  I'm patent-free as much as I can, which, of course, doesn't mean 100% no patent things12:09
Hurrianvi_, would that man be called "Richard Stallman"?12:09
Estel^search google for12:09
Estel^"silver needle in the skype"12:09
Estel^You'll find nice interesting .pdf12:09
vi_I wouldn't wish n900 on anybody.12:10
Estel^add to this some skype "ops", when vista was appearing, that revealed it being collecting personal data like motherboard serial numbers, and You'll have wide picture12:10
Estel^Hurrian,  haha, Stallman seems to be living hapilly12:10
fastaEstel^: what do you use then?12:11
Estel^well, everyone is free to do whatdever want, but I would never, ever, use fucked up things like whatsupdocscrut just because others use it12:11
Estel^fasta,  voip, of course, instead of skype12:11
Estel^booth net only, and free one with landline number12:11
fastaEstel^: booth net only?12:12
Estel^BTW I think I will prepare asterisk on my wrt54g soon, too12:12
vi_Estel^: you really think your wrt54g has the processing power to run asterisk?12:12
Estel^fasta, both - I mean I use it both as net voice comm, and instead of PSTN phone (landmark)12:12
Estel^vi_,  Iknow it has :)12:12
Estel^tested already, but it was using 2.6 kernel12:13
fastaEstel^: and you run that on your n900 too?12:13
Estel^I've returned to 2.4 kernel for stability12:13
Estel^fasta, no ;)12:13
fastaEstel^: don't you need some VOIP provider for calls to non-voip numbers?12:13
vi_2.4? Imma gonna rewt ur box.12:13
Estel^fasta, voip is open, documented, and independent of clients12:13
Estel^fasta, I have voip provider with free landline number12:14
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Estel^and when I want to call non voip numbers, of course, I use it12:14
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Estel^it's cheap as hell12:14
fastaEstel^: which one do you have?12:14
Estel^I use voip on N900 too12:14
Estel^just not installed asterisk on N90012:14
Estel^that I mean12:14
fastaEstel^: did you buy new batteries for it?12:15
Estel^fasta, polish one, won't tell You anything by it's name12:15
Estel^fasta, I have 3000 mAh (real) battery for N900, self made12:15
fastaEstel^: of course ;)12:15
Estel^not joking.12:15
fastaSometimes I think it's the hackers cabin here.12:15
Estel^because it is?12:15
fastaOr lair.12:15
fastaLairs sound cooler, don't you agree?12:16
Estel^fasta, dual-scud, every cell 1500mAh12:16
Estel^too much patos in lair12:16
Estel^longue sounds more comfortable :P12:16
fastaEstel^: did you put that on a blog or something or are you too cool for a blog?12:16
Estel^btw I'm now working on 6000 mAh battery for N90012:17
Estel^no, documented on TMO12:17
fastaEstel^: some people are too cool for a blog and call it a blag.txt.12:17
fastaEstel^: True story.12:17
Estel^it's just a tool.12:17
Estel^it would be funny if someone would say, that is too cool for screwdriver, wouldn't it?12:17
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Estel^blog may be idiotic or very interesting, depending on content ;)12:18
Estel^vi_,  do You know that asterisk is so scalable, than package for openwrt is less than 2mb?12:19
Estel^fasta,  loook at:12:21
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Estel^and see:12:21
teotwakiHurrian: compiling on the PS3? How?12:24
Estel^2nd link is about body replacement, that is going to hold 6000 mAh battery12:24
Estel^amongst other awesome things ;)12:24
Hurrianteotwaki, otheros++12:26
Estel^yesterday i bought bh-214 for 9 usd12:26
Estel^will mod it to contain better battery12:27
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teotwakiHurrian: I'm guessing this requires a PS3 pre-removal of OtherOS?12:42
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer: what was that all about?12:43
DocScrutinizer05[07.06.2012 11:11:14] <Estel^> well, everyone is free to do whatdever want, but I would never, ever, use fucked up things like whatsupdocscrut just because others use it12:44
DocScrutinizer05I'm fed up with it12:44
teotwakiwith what?12:44
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DocScrutinizer05here. particularly with "" use fucked up things like whatsupdocscrut just because others use it""12:45
teotwakiI didn't even know people used that12:47
teotwakiwho does? On TMO I'm guessing?12:47
DocScrutinizer05used what? my nick?12:47
DocScrutinizer05my fuckedup nick?12:47
Hurrianteotwaki, works with PS3s up to 3.5512:47
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer: I'm lost12:48
teotwakiHurrian: heh, I'm stuffed.12:48
teotwakiI've got 3 PS3, none are usable :(12:48
Hurrianbeyond 3.55, it's can still be done, but the exploits are private, and only for debugger/debugger-converted systems12:49
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vi_ ~tmo12:56
infobottmo is, like,, or, or It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.12:56
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vi_~ping troll.maemo.org12:56
infobotpong troll.maemo.org12:56
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: I'm lost as well what this constant bashing of my nick is meant to achieve13:05
DocScrutinizer05unless you accept he's always following his own ideas of psychology: [07.06.2012 11:06:28] <Estel^> a small piece of something I've said about it being wrong, vulnerable itp, got planted13:07
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DocScrutinizer05or he's just silly kid13:08
Estel^DocScrutinizer,  ahy I got kicked?13:08
DocScrutinizer05either way using my nick in same sentence as "fucked up" is sth I don't wnat to see13:08
Estel^DocScrutinizer,  please, elaborate. I was idlee for a while, and I demand explanation why I got kicked?13:09
DocScrutinizer05[07.06.2012 11:11:14] <Estel^> well, everyone is free to do whatdever want, but I would never, ever, use fucked up things like whatsupdocscrut just because others use it13:09
DocScrutinizer05this for13:09
* Estel^ nods13:10
Estel^I see. Of course, "People mean well" doesnt apply anymore13:10
DocScrutinizer05not for you13:10
Estel^You, of course, havent realised, that it's effect of auto completion13:10
Estel^for "whatzup doc?13:10
Estel^aka bunny bugs?13:10
Estel^I'm writing from N900 and haven't noticed, that failed to delete whole autocompletion.13:11
DocScrutinizer05ok, apology accepted13:11
DocScrutinizer05sorry for kick then13:11
Estel^no problem13:11
Estel^not meant to offend You...13:11
Estel^BTW, ask next time, please ;) You will never be late with kick13:11
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vi_teotwaki: lolwut?13:22
Estel^teotwaki,  LOL13:23
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kwtmHmm... I too recall a time that using my N900 to do IRC in this channel had its disadvantages partly because people thought I was using something with a much larger screen.14:43
TTilusim on N900 right now14:47
TTilusstandard linelength =D14:47
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tra-la-l1I'm having a strange problem with my N900: I'm unable to connect to wifi since yesterday, and /usr/sbin/wlancond uses around 100% of the cpu14:58
tra-la-l1I'm even unable to open a root terminal to kill it14:58
jacekowskihave you tried a reboot?14:58
tra-la-l1yes, but the problem is the same as soon as the phone tries to connect to wifi again14:59
jacekowskiflash it15:00
tra-la-l1I did just hope I wouldn't have to, but I begin to think it's the only solution15:01
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TTilusbackup, list selections, flash, reinstall stuff, restore, not too bad15:11
TTilusbut a bit overkill in case there is a direct solution15:12
DocScrutinizer05tra-la-l1: which "firmware"? PR1.3.1, or CSSU?15:13
kwtmI, too, would hope some brainstorming can find a non-completereflash solution.15:14
DocScrutinizer05tra-la-l1: also, what did you do yesterday? (usually those problems don't start out of thin air)15:15
vi_garbagein==garbage out15:15
tra-la-l1DocScrutinizer05: PR 1.3.1, if I remember well, but I haven't played wth it for a long time, so not sure if I changes it15:15
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, so you meant you switched it on yesterday after months of it staying in shelf?15:16
tra-la-l1DocScrutinizer05: nothing particular yesterday, maybe the problem is here for a few days, but I didn't install any new software or anything that make15:16
tra-la-l1no, I mean that I just used it as a phone for the last few monthes15:16
DocScrutinizer05mhm, and you didn't connect to WLAN during that time?15:17
tra-la-l1without seing anything strange or even installing any software15:17
tra-la-l1but yes, I used it to connect to wireless15:17
DocScrutinizer05so it apparently started to misbehave with no actual reason15:18
* vi_ munch crunch munch15:18
tra-la-l1DocScrutinizer05: apparently, yes.15:18
DocScrutinizer05do you have any non-standard inetrnet/WLAN related stuff installed? like auto-disconnect etc15:18
tra-la-l1Yes, I have auto-disconnect installed15:19
DocScrutinizer05reflash! don't install auto-disconnect15:19
tra-la-l1won't apt-get remove be enough?15:19
DocScrutinizer05auto-disconnect is notorious to cause *all sorts* of nasty effects and bugs, and apparently there's no clean uninstall for it15:20
tra-la-l1ok, didn't know that15:20
DocScrutinizer05on the bright side: you can expect everything back to normal, after reflashing and restore a backup done with maemo backup app, with *deselecting* auto-disconnect from the list of apps to restore15:22
jacekowskiinfobot: seen pali15:22
DocScrutinizer05o/ jacekowski15:22
infobotpali is currently on #maemo (48m 40s) #maemo-ssu (48m 40s), last said: 'jacekowski, you can write me message if I'm online too (I will read it in irc log as your yesterday attempt to ping/catch me :)'.15:22
jacekowskiPali: hi15:22
DocScrutinizer05o/ Pali15:22
jacekowskiPali: well, i've had a look at it15:22
tra-la-l1DocScrutinizer05: I'll do that then, it would have been a shame to lose all my packages to make a clean install15:23
Palijacekowski, nolo?15:23
DocScrutinizer05nah, just do a full backup with built-in backup app, then install backupmenu and do a disk"image" backup of your whole system, just in case15:24
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DocScrutinizer05then uninstall auto-disconnect15:24
DocScrutinizer05remove auto-disconnect related stuff from ~user/15:25
DocScrutinizer05then flash rootfs/COMBINED15:25
DocScrutinizer05run backup app restore, uncheck auto-disconnect from list of apps to re-install15:25
jacekowskiPali: yeah15:26
jacekowskii've found the function that generates atags15:26
Palinice, show it :-)15:26
tra-la-l1ok, the backup is on his way.15:28
DocScrutinizer05tra-la-l1: shouldn't take too long15:28
DocScrutinizer05after it finishing, install backupmenu app15:28
DocScrutinizer05do a backup with BM15:28
DocScrutinizer05then do a backup to PC of all your stuff on MyDocs, incl the backup files created by maemo-backup and BM15:29
DocScrutinizer05the apt-get purge auto-disconnect15:30
tra-la-l1flash, restore and hope it solves the problem :)15:31
DocScrutinizer05just make sure you don't restore auto-disconnect as well ;-)15:31
tra-la-l1Does the restore utility give a list of apps to restore, or do I have to remove it from the list inside the backup file?15:32
DocScrutinizer05if anything breaks terribly (due to you doing an oopsie) you still can roll back completely to the system backed-up by BM15:33
jacekowskiPali: well, i've had no time to trace it exactly15:33
DocScrutinizer05tra-la-l1: it gives a list15:33
jacekowskiPali: but it looks like atag data is coming from xloader15:33
DocScrutinizer05yep, indeed15:33
Palijacekowski, do you have disassembled nolo/x-loader text files?15:34
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vi_bashphorism 1: the questioner's first description of the15:46
vi_problem/question will be misleading.15:46
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cityLightsis anyone here from spain?15:53
vi_worried about the euro too?15:53
vi_we all are bro.15:53
cityLightsna, seeking advice15:54
vi_are you seeking an auto incrementing pattern matcher?15:54
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jacekowskiPali: are you going to be around bit later?15:57
jacekowskiPali: around 1900  CEST15:58
Palijacekowski, sure15:58
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RST38hMEANWHILE: 1,000 Foxconn iPad workers trash dorms in riot against guards16:47
vi_riot against guards>16:50
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vi_is it a factory16:50
jaska1000 foxconn inmates16:50
vi_or a ghoulag internment camp?16:50
RaimuYou need to keep your workers in line.16:50
vi_then you execute your generals.16:51
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RaimuThen you get the sugar. And then you get the power.16:51
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teotwakiTTilus: if you use an irc client that is incapable of line wrap, you need to be shot.17:04
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RST38hTheRegister readers about Win8: "Nobody will want to have their PC look like a mobile phone which nobody wants."17:05
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vi_RST38h: double negative?17:19
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teotwakiAlso, that should be "that" instead of "which".17:28
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RaimuPoor guy. Broke his n950.18:22
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vi_Raimu: It was not 'his' N950.18:39
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RaimuIs this the "It was Nokia's phone, graciously given to use for his relative" argument? :)18:47
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SpeedEvilAm I misremembering the terms, or was there in fact no language against giving it to other people - as long as it can be returned?18:52
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vi_I assumed you were not allowed to let anyone else see it.18:52
vi_And this guy was about to get his relative in a shit load of trouble.18:53
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SpeedEvilThere is 'will not use it to disparage nokia' language18:53
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maemobotLOL wut:
maemobotnice example of nepotism19:55
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Estel_ough, connection problem... for a moment, i though that I got kicked, and started wondering, if "nepotism" isn't anagram of DocScrutinizer, or something like that ;)19:57
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Estel_well, different number of letters, so I can, probably, feel safe19:57
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DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: "the" terms? when his relative is e.g. tekoyo or konttori, I don't think any terms we ever get to know about would apply20:00
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: I got several GTA02 here, and I got them with basically no restrictions on what I'm allowed to do with them20:01
DocScrutinizer05it's quite usual that those who invent the rules are free to obey or not obey to them20:02
DocScrutinizer05vi_: you definitely are supposed to show the device off at any possible occasion ;-)20:05
DocScrutinizer05vi_: and no, I don't think that's warranted that there has to be any shitload of trouble for that guy's Nokia R&D relative20:06
* Woody14619 snickers at the "no restriction" on GTA02... :)20:07
* Woody14619 has a GTA02 as well, and knows it's quite restricted in what it can do... :P20:08
DocScrutinizer05well, OM actually never was any non-disclosive about his development20:11
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Woody14619It was a great poritble linux box... but some/most of the built-in hardware just didn't like life.  (GSM, BT, Wifi, etc)  Never could get GSM to talk to the BT while connected to a headset, which was a deal killer for me.20:39
Woody14619I've been debating using is as a nice low-power mifi, you know, with the vast ammounts of free time I have to code up such a thing. :P20:40
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DocScrutinizer05BT SCO was a bit tricky20:43
DocScrutinizer05the BT chip needed to get switched to PCM hard (as in "flash some bit in firmware")20:44
DocScrutinizer05given the wired headset wasn't particularly great either in any way, I can understand why this is a dealbreaker for anybody who wants to use a headset with gta0220:47
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jacekowskiPali: ?21:14
Palijacekowski, I'm here21:14
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GeneralAntillesEverybody see the MetaWatch sale today?
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jacekowskigive me a sec qemu is playing up21:22
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: is this sale any special? wasn't it always at ~150usd for the digital?21:58
DocScrutinizer05or even less?21:59
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Palijacekowski, ready?22:10
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: aah, ok22:11
DocScrutinizer05so they need to get rid of the non-iOS-compatible stuff22:11
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jacekowskiPali: i think so22:22
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jacekowskiPali: ok, basically, there is a big function that prepares atags22:29
jacekowskiPali: i've looked at two different nolo versions and it's @RAM:804010B8 on both22:29
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DocScrutinizer05go hackers gooooooooo!22:30
Palican you share disassembled nolo with addresses?22:31
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders where jonwil is MIA22:31
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Palijacekowski, something plain text22:31
freemangordonjacekowski: do you use IDA?22:31
DocScrutinizer05I'd guess a certain complexity of GUI based analysis can't sanely get exported as plaintext anymore22:32
jacekowskifreemangordon: yes22:33
jacekowskiPali: my .idb won't help you unless you've got licence22:34
Tofeoh gosh, IDA still exists today ? what's the current version number ? 23 ?22:34
DocScrutinizer05in-circuit-emulator backtraces and rich disassembler output falling into that category22:34
jacekowskiTofe: depends22:34
jacekowskiTofe: 6.322:34
jacekowskiTofe: latest leaked version is 6.122:34
Tofeah. weird. must be something else then.22:34
freemangordonTofe: 6.1 (the latest on piratebay) :)22:34
freemangordonjacekowski: you have ARM hexrays?22:35
jacekowskii'm not sure why ida decided to mess my database for some unknown reason22:35
* user__ <3 IDA22:36
* freemangordon is envy22:36
jacekowskifreemangordon: not my myself22:36
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* vi__ <3 IDA22:36
DocScrutinizer05oooh, hi user__- long time no see ;-P22:36
* vi__ clinks doc's beer.22:36
jacekowskifreemangordon: but hexrays is pretty useless22:36
jacekowskifreemangordon: at least the arm version22:36
jacekowskifreemangordon: x86 is a lot better22:37
freemangordonjacekowski: yeah, 386 is pretty useful22:37
Paliwhat is hexrays?22:37
vi__olliedbg 4tw!22:37
vi__not available with IDA free version22:38
freemangordonvi_: since when IDA has a free version?22:38
jacekowskifreemangordon: since always22:38
vi__It is ironic that the program for haxing copy protection has copy protection.22:38
freemangordonand last free version is? 422:38
jacekowskifreemangordon: but it's few versions behind paid version and limited features22:39
vi__freemangordon: old versions are free.22:39
jacekowskivi__: well, ida copy protection is easy to defeat22:39
freemangordonyeah, the last free was 4 iirc22:39
freemangordoncould be22:39
freemangordonPali: you should get one22:39
jacekowskihmm, 5.022:39
freemangordonthe same, it is useless for ARM22:40
jacekowskinot really22:40
jacekowskidisassembler module hasn't changed that much22:40
jacekowskino debugger though22:40
freemangordonI've been trying to RE several libs with 5.0, it results in a total mess. 6.x does much better if not perfect job22:41
freemangordonit is not disasm, but the logic behind (i.e. stack, registers, etc)22:42
Palijacekowski, I have other question about x-loader/nolo: how it get bootreason (pwr button, sw_rst, ...)22:42
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jacekowskithat's the function that sets variables in nolo after checking bootreason22:46
jacekowskibut bootreason itself seems to be stored @0x4830725822:47
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freemangordonjacekowski: mind to shre .idbs22:47
jacekowskimy idb isn't going to help you unless you've got legit version of ida22:49
jacekowskias in, latest22:49
freemangordon6.1 not enough?22:50
jacekowskidatabase format is updated every version22:50
Paliwhat is start ram adrress?22:50
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jacekowskii really feel sorry for people that are buying new version of ida22:52
jacekowskii was lucky enough to buy it before they started charging for windows and linux version separately22:53
vi__jacekowski: personal license?22:54
vi__I can see the jacekowski advice animal meme now:22:55
vi__jacekowski: buys legitimate software to crack legitimate software.22:55
jacekowskii've been using ida since don't remember when22:57
jacekowskibut when it was freeware only22:57
jacekowskiand then i've had latest version at work22:57
jacekowskiand then it was kinda strange to have to go back to free version22:57
vi__out of curiosity, what do you work as?22:58
jacekowskinow, something not really related22:58
vi__when you were using IDA22:58
vi__I cannot think of a legitimate use for it.22:59
vi__thats one!22:59
jacekowskiand besides, i remember something you said week ago23:00
jacekowskiabout n900 serial port23:00
jacekowskiit was me not r00t23:00
vi__I for some reason thought it was someone with the word root in his name.23:00
vi__I have bought shame on the clan of '_'23:01
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jacekowskithere is not much use for that port anyways23:03
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vi__I was really hoping there would be an I2C there.23:04
freemangordonjacekowski: isn't that port used for nolo trace messages?23:04
jacekowskiyeah, and nolo serial console/commandline23:04
freemangordonhmm, that could be usefull then23:05
freemangordon(to an extend)23:05
jacekowskionly if you are doing some work on bootloader23:05
freemangordonI see23:05
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jacekowskilooks kinda stolen23:13
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Pali<jacekowski> but bootreason itself seems to be stored @0x48307258 > This address you get from NOLO?23:34
Palior from memory/omap trm?23:34
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Paliok, thanks!23:41
Paliin omap trm it is PRM_RSTST at address 0x4830725823:41
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jacekowskiwhat's at that address?23:42
vi__by how much does n900 compcache compress data?23:42
jacekowskidepends on data23:42
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vi__what are guesstimate best and worst cases?23:44
Pali0x48004B40 - CM_CLKSEL_SGX23:44
jacekowskiPali: strange, it's comparing those two addresses to detect some sort of  Off-mode cold reset bug detected23:45
jacekowskiwhatever that is23:45
PaliDescription: SGX clock selection23:45
jacekowskiyeah, i don't see a reltion between those23:46
Paliread - always return 023:46
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Pali0x48307258 - PRM_RSTST - This register logs the global reset sources. Each bit is set upon release of the domain reset signal. Must be cleared by software.23:50
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Paliregister is 32bit23:52
Palibit 0 - GLOBAL_COLD_RST23:52
Palibit 1 - GLOBAL_SW_RST23:53
Palibit 4 - MPU_WD_RST23:53
Palibit 6 - EXTERNAL_WARM_RST23:53
DocScrutinizer05there you are23:53
Palibut if you write 1, then you clear status :-(23:54
Paliand seems that NOLO is clearing status of registers...23:54
DocScrutinizer05not meant to write anything to that register, I'd guess23:54
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DocScrutinizer05well, then NOLO will move that state to somewhere else23:54
Palito ATAG bootreason23:55
jacekowskinot exactly23:55
jacekowskinot directly23:55
Palicould be23:55
jacekowskithere is like a kinda lookup table23:55
jacekowskithat would be usb boot reason23:56
Palireally 0x1410100 ?23:57
jacekowskiwhich is 0b1010023:58
Paliin what register?23:58
jacekowskinah, that's nolo vlue23:59

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